You’re Making Me Feel Bad

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. S and me, 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:11.349 Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the 3 00:00:11.429 --> 00:00:17.309 Gospel Center Pray Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge 4 00:00:17.350 --> 00:00:20.910 you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. 5 00:00:21.109 --> 00:00:32.060 Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me. 6 00:00:34.939 --> 00:00:39.130 Welcome back to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys joining us 7 00:00:39.729 --> 00:00:46.329 and we're here recording. We're actually I'm here, Vicki's there. From her 8 00:00:46.369 --> 00:00:49.729 perspective, I'm there and she's here and here you're there. Yeah, I 9 00:00:49.969 --> 00:00:55.439 was here first. I've really yes, yes, you were recording remotely and 10 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:59.079 so, as in the past couple of episodes, we've kind of given you 11 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.799 guys that as claimer. If you hear some weird wonky things going on, 12 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.469 we're doing the best we can to record in good quality, but there can 13 00:01:06.510 --> 00:01:10.670 be some things that happen from I mean all the way from the West Coast 14 00:01:10.670 --> 00:01:14.349 to the east coast, through the wires and all that stuff. You know, 15 00:01:14.469 --> 00:01:18.150 demons like to get in there and stir up trouble and and things get 16 00:01:18.189 --> 00:01:22.019 cut out and you know all of that. So doing the best we can 17 00:01:22.099 --> 00:01:26.620 to give you guys a highest quatity, call quality listening experience that we can. 18 00:01:26.819 --> 00:01:30.459 But the most important thing thing is that we speak the truth, and 19 00:01:30.540 --> 00:01:34.730 so we're going to be coming, as always, from a biblical perspective and 20 00:01:36.329 --> 00:01:42.209 speaking from experiences on the sidewalk, stuff that we have encountered ourselves and just 21 00:01:42.370 --> 00:01:45.409 want to equip you, guess. And so, as you know, if 22 00:01:45.409 --> 00:01:49.480 you've been listened to this podcast or any length of time, we're we're speaking 23 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:56.040 from our experiences or questions that other people have asked us, things that just 24 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.200 kind of pop up in conversations. Hey, this will be a good podcast 25 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:02.269 to cover. And this is. This is in that same vein, and 26 00:02:02.430 --> 00:02:06.989 so we're what are we going to be talking about today, Vicky? Well, 27 00:02:07.150 --> 00:02:12.550 we hear this all the time from pro abortion people, from the MOMS, 28 00:02:12.629 --> 00:02:16.620 from support people. They'll say, why are you making them feel bad? 29 00:02:16.860 --> 00:02:21.780 Yeah, don't you see, you're making them cry, and they tell 30 00:02:21.780 --> 00:02:24.500 us that therefore, we should be quiet because we're causing grief. Yeah, 31 00:02:24.580 --> 00:02:30.650 we're causing guilt, shame, whatever. So we thought it would be a 32 00:02:30.729 --> 00:02:35.849 really good idea to talk through that, because it's easy for us to fall 33 00:02:36.009 --> 00:02:39.370 prey to what we're accused of. Yeah, and to believe it. And 34 00:02:39.889 --> 00:02:44.050 I think it's really important, as always, to go to the Bible. 35 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:49.000 The Bible is such a great guide in and it has a lot to say 36 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:54.199 about what our speech should be. Yeah, what it what it should convey, 37 00:02:54.360 --> 00:03:00.189 and even how we should speak. So that's what we did with this 38 00:03:00.509 --> 00:03:04.430 this podcast. The kind of the working title is how we're how should we 39 00:03:04.509 --> 00:03:07.990 respond to women who say they are making us feel bad? Yeah, and 40 00:03:07.270 --> 00:03:13.180 so we've examined that from a biblical standpoint. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 41 00:03:13.300 --> 00:03:16.740 certainly we hear a lot of things, a lot of objections to our 42 00:03:16.860 --> 00:03:20.659 presence out there on the sidewalk. One of them is, of course, 43 00:03:20.699 --> 00:03:23.020 you're making them feel bad. You. A lot of times it's a dad 44 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:27.139 who will come out and say you're making my girlfriend feel bad. I mean, 45 00:03:27.139 --> 00:03:29.490 I've even been threatened that, you know, if you don't stop talking 46 00:03:29.530 --> 00:03:31.610 to my girlfriend and while wife, then I'm going to punch your lights out 47 00:03:31.650 --> 00:03:36.090 because you're making me feel bad. There's a lot of other things that we 48 00:03:36.210 --> 00:03:39.129 hear that you know, you're judging. Why are you judging? Why are 49 00:03:39.169 --> 00:03:43.400 you guys out here trying to make yourselves look righteous. You know, it's 50 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.840 like you get all these accusations and so you just of course, gas be 51 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:51.639 prepared that people are going to accuse you of all kinds of things and know 52 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:55.789 ultimately, what the source is. The source is the flesh and the devil. 53 00:03:55.830 --> 00:03:59.550 Right, it's the devil trying to discourage you. It's people in their 54 00:03:59.629 --> 00:04:04.229 flesh trying to defend themselves and trying to make really an apologetic for why you 55 00:04:04.270 --> 00:04:08.509 shouldn't be out there, but it's okay for them to be there to kill 56 00:04:08.509 --> 00:04:12.740 their child. And so we can't let these things shake us. But we 57 00:04:12.860 --> 00:04:16.060 do need to consider what people are saying and because we want to reach them, 58 00:04:16.100 --> 00:04:19.019 we don't want to just say well, you're concerned, doesn't matter, 59 00:04:19.459 --> 00:04:24.689 and just ignore them when they say you're making me feel bad. I think 60 00:04:24.689 --> 00:04:28.649 there's good ways to respond, healthy ways to respond. I think one of 61 00:04:28.689 --> 00:04:32.089 the things that we've all always said all along is that we want to identify 62 00:04:32.170 --> 00:04:35.370 with people's pain. We want to have compassion, you know, we want 63 00:04:35.370 --> 00:04:40.360 to suffer with them and if they feel bad, we know it's because their 64 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:44.319 conscience is what's bothering them. Ultimately, they feel bad because they know what 65 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:47.399 they're doing is wrong. But there's a way for us to identify with their 66 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:51.360 pain and to kind of enter into their struggle with them without just saying well, 67 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:56.629 you know it, because you can respond you're feeling bad because what you're 68 00:04:56.629 --> 00:04:59.790 doing is wrong. I think that could be a chetive said. It may 69 00:04:59.790 --> 00:05:01.430 not be the most helpful, but I have said that before. Yeah, 70 00:05:01.550 --> 00:05:04.269 but you know, I think again, like we've said often times, your 71 00:05:04.350 --> 00:05:08.459 tone can can mean a lot. You can say that and I think that 72 00:05:08.660 --> 00:05:14.579 it's appropriate to say that, but kind of an accusatory tone is not going 73 00:05:14.620 --> 00:05:17.379 to be helpful. You know, you feel bad because you should feel bad 74 00:05:17.379 --> 00:05:21.329 because you're about to kill your baby. You can say that more calmly like 75 00:05:21.769 --> 00:05:26.850 you could ask the question. So why do you think what I'm saying makes 76 00:05:26.889 --> 00:05:30.730 you feel bad? Is it because what I'm saying bothers your conscience? Is 77 00:05:30.810 --> 00:05:33.370 it? Is it possible? This is the question I would ask. Is 78 00:05:33.449 --> 00:05:38.759 it possible that you feel bad because you know God would never want you to 79 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.839 do what you're about to do? Is that possible? You know it is. 80 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:47.959 So. So I guess the the very first thought when we're encountering anyone 81 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:54.550 questioning how we're speaking to them as well, what? What is the overarching 82 00:05:54.910 --> 00:05:59.310 biblical principle of our speech? What? What should our speech be? And 83 00:05:59.389 --> 00:06:03.149 I I did research that, you know, from a biblical standpoint and I 84 00:06:03.230 --> 00:06:08.620 would say if I had to choose one word for our speech, it should 85 00:06:08.620 --> 00:06:11.660 be at a fine. Yeah, it should be at a fine. And 86 00:06:12.019 --> 00:06:17.060 and so I did a word search then of of versus in the Bible, 87 00:06:17.180 --> 00:06:21.329 of which there's Zillions, that talk about at a fine or the word at 88 00:06:21.410 --> 00:06:25.689 a fire, at a fine or are in those verses and we go through 89 00:06:25.769 --> 00:06:29.329 some of them in an article. Yea, we will include with this. 90 00:06:30.209 --> 00:06:33.759 But the first thing I did was that's a word that that we hear all 91 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:36.720 the time at a fine, because it's throughout the Bible. That is what 92 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:41.160 our speech is to be. So I looked up, well, what does 93 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:46.149 that mean, literally in the in the dictionary, and it was pretty interesting. 94 00:06:47.350 --> 00:06:50.790 So I wrote it down. At this was from the Oxford Dictionary. 95 00:06:50.829 --> 00:06:55.670 I think that is a well respected dictionary. Sure, I don't really know. 96 00:06:55.750 --> 00:06:58.470 I don't think it's as great as webster's dictionary, but it'll do. 97 00:06:58.589 --> 00:07:00.779 Yeah, okay. Well, what came up on the Internet was oxen. 98 00:07:00.819 --> 00:07:10.100 All right. So, so at a fine originates from middle English and it's 99 00:07:10.139 --> 00:07:12.980 from the Latin and I won't say the word. It's too hard. I 100 00:07:13.060 --> 00:07:18.410 can't even figure out how to say it. But build or to make like 101 00:07:18.610 --> 00:07:21.529 an edifice, to build an edifice of a building. Yeah, and the 102 00:07:21.649 --> 00:07:29.329 word originally meant to construct a building. It also means to strengthen. And 103 00:07:29.769 --> 00:07:36.920 so the the meaning of those parts put together means to build up morally, 104 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:47.310 and how Oxford defined edifying was to instruct or improve someone morally or intellectually. 105 00:07:47.509 --> 00:07:55.389 So at to edify someone we are literally building them up, we're and we're 106 00:07:55.550 --> 00:08:03.579 improving or instructing morally. Yeah. So so that, I think is a 107 00:08:03.620 --> 00:08:07.980 good beginning place. And of course Oxford is not the Bible, right, 108 00:08:09.139 --> 00:08:13.889 and and so there we would of course want to use our edifying speech as 109 00:08:15.009 --> 00:08:18.449 the Bible defines, yeah, what that speech should be. And so so 110 00:08:18.290 --> 00:08:24.930 that's where I went through a whole bunch of different verses where the word edifyinge 111 00:08:24.089 --> 00:08:31.559 is used and and wanted to be sure that we understood what the Bible says, 112 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:37.759 yea, about how we should be speaking. So the first one is 113 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:45.149 Effesians for twenty nine. Okay, okay, and that says let no corrupting 114 00:08:45.190 --> 00:08:50.669 talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building 115 00:08:50.789 --> 00:08:54.629 up. Remember, building up is means that define. Yeah, as fits 116 00:08:54.740 --> 00:09:01.539 the occasion, that it may give grace to the those who hear. Yeah, 117 00:09:01.539 --> 00:09:05.659 okay, so it that gives a a bunch of clues, if in 118 00:09:05.019 --> 00:09:09.100 in what our speech should be. If, if we if we break that 119 00:09:09.740 --> 00:09:13.850 that down? Yeah, yeah, you know, want to pipe in real 120 00:09:13.889 --> 00:09:18.970 quick because as we talk about edifying, to me the word to edify of 121 00:09:20.090 --> 00:09:22.970 course means to build up, and I think that word has been applied, 122 00:09:22.009 --> 00:09:26.600 at least in the Christian circles, as we're to edify each other, right, 123 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.639 we're to build one another up as fellow believers, and that's certainly true. 124 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:33.399 Right, we need to build one another up, we need to edify 125 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:37.559 one another. You know, it says, I think it's in First Corinthians 126 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.830 Chapter Twelve and maybe First Corinthians chapter fourteen, where Paul's talking about the gifts 127 00:09:41.830 --> 00:09:45.070 of the spirit and the use of the gifts of the spirit in the church 128 00:09:45.470 --> 00:09:48.669 should be to edify others, not just to edify yourself. So there's certainly 129 00:09:48.710 --> 00:09:52.509 the context for that, right, that we need to edify each other and 130 00:09:52.629 --> 00:09:56.259 listen, we're on the sidewalk. Let's build each other up right, let's 131 00:09:56.259 --> 00:10:00.100 let's edify one another, let's speak words are going to encourage each other. 132 00:10:00.139 --> 00:10:05.899 But this word edification or edify doesn't just speak to encouraging, but it also 133 00:10:05.899 --> 00:10:11.289 speaks to like bringing people up to where they need to be morally. As 134 00:10:11.370 --> 00:10:16.529 you said in that that definition, that sometimes edifying words can sting a little 135 00:10:16.570 --> 00:10:20.970 bit. Right. I mean, if anyone was was an edifier, it 136 00:10:20.129 --> 00:10:26.240 was the Lord Jesus, right in his desire to edify the Pharisees. He 137 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:31.320 confronts them, right, he confronts them in their departure from the truth and 138 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.950 all of that. The goal is, though, not to tear down but 139 00:10:35.070 --> 00:10:41.070 to edify. But of course we know sometimes in order to build up there's 140 00:10:41.070 --> 00:10:43.590 got to be pride has got to be torn down. So if you edify 141 00:10:43.830 --> 00:10:50.539 somebody, sometimes what you're doing is tearing down their pride. But in this 142 00:10:50.659 --> 00:10:54.100 scripture where it talks about in Verse Twenty Nine of Ephesians Chapter for that we 143 00:10:54.179 --> 00:10:58.220 want to impart grace, or speak in such a way that imparts grace to 144 00:10:58.259 --> 00:11:01.980 the here that we don't don't want to just give information, but we want 145 00:11:01.980 --> 00:11:05.009 to speak in such a way that, yes, we might be tearing some 146 00:11:05.210 --> 00:11:09.009 things down, tearing down some lies, to bring these women or these men 147 00:11:09.049 --> 00:11:13.409 up morally to where they need to be, to edify them morally, but 148 00:11:13.769 --> 00:11:18.570 we want to speak in such a way that there's grace in it. Right, 149 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:22.279 and then this mean we're Nice, but it means there's empowerment. The 150 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:26.480 word grace speaks to not just kind of like we think this this idea of 151 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:33.909 we're gracious or whatever. So we're Nice, but that biblical word, the 152 00:11:33.990 --> 00:11:37.190 word caress, I believe is the Greek word there, speaks of empowerment. 153 00:11:37.309 --> 00:11:39.950 And so we can speak in such a way where there's an empowerment in the 154 00:11:41.029 --> 00:11:43.830 words, and the words could maybe perceived to be tearing down, but the 155 00:11:43.909 --> 00:11:48.340 goal is actually to edify, to build up and to empower these men and 156 00:11:48.419 --> 00:11:52.299 women to do the right thing, right morally, to make good choices. 157 00:11:52.899 --> 00:11:58.500 Yeah, what I was thinking of when when I first read the definition where 158 00:11:58.539 --> 00:12:01.970 the word are only at if I is to construct a building. I was 159 00:12:01.049 --> 00:12:07.129 thinking about that. What makes a building well constructed and strong and absolutely the 160 00:12:07.529 --> 00:12:13.889 first thing that must be there is a stable and firm foundation. Yeah, 161 00:12:13.129 --> 00:12:18.200 and so if we're going to edify. I think similarly, the foundation of 162 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:24.080 our speech must be firm and stable and it therefore it must be biblical. 163 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.840 Yeah, it must be based on Biblical truth. And when you find the 164 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:37.629 MOMS and dad's at the abortion center countering us, they their truths are not 165 00:12:37.950 --> 00:12:46.340 biblical all they're they're often very selfish, self motivated and corrupted, and that 166 00:12:46.419 --> 00:12:50.700 effesions for twenty nine tells us that where we, on the other hand, 167 00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:54.980 are to not let corrupting talk come out of our mouth, we are not 168 00:12:54.220 --> 00:12:58.970 to have corrupt speech. And so I looked up corrupt because because I thought, 169 00:12:58.970 --> 00:13:03.129 okay, what does that mean? To have corrupt speech? And the 170 00:13:03.210 --> 00:13:09.169 verb corrupt means to change your debase by making errors or unintentional alterations, probably 171 00:13:09.330 --> 00:13:13.480 intentional as well. So, in other words, your speech is corrupt if 172 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.480 you're not speaking truth, if you're altering the truth to suit the hearer, 173 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.039 and and we can't do that. That's what they're asking us to do. 174 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:35.990 They're asking us don't feel bad, be silent and what you're speaking is is 175 00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:41.190 just to make yourself look good or whatever, when indeed we are speaking what 176 00:13:41.350 --> 00:13:45.460 the Bible not only commands us to speak, but what the Bible does. 177 00:13:46.059 --> 00:13:48.779 YEA, Hey, yeah, about what's happening there. Yeah, absolutely. 178 00:13:48.899 --> 00:13:52.340 And this is where, you know, from our perspective, as those who 179 00:13:52.379 --> 00:13:56.090 want to speak the truth, are those who are called to speak the truth, 180 00:13:56.370 --> 00:13:58.809 where we need to really examine the motive of our hearts is there can 181 00:13:58.889 --> 00:14:03.169 be a sense in which, and you know, I think we can all 182 00:14:03.490 --> 00:14:09.129 battle with this, where we can tear other people down in order to build 183 00:14:09.129 --> 00:14:11.720 ourselves up. So, you know, for example, we see these women 184 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:13.720 going into the abortion centers and in our hearts, in our minds, we 185 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.919 can think how horrible they are and we would never be like them, when 186 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.919 in reality, what we're doing is we're tearing them down, we're bringing them 187 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.590 down to a lower level than ourselves and make ourselves feel good because maybe we 188 00:14:26.710 --> 00:14:30.269 have our own struggles and things like that. We've got to make sure that 189 00:14:30.350 --> 00:14:33.269 we're coming from a proper motive, that we actually yes, we're going to 190 00:14:33.309 --> 00:14:35.629 speak truth and yes, we're going to view things properly. These women that 191 00:14:35.710 --> 00:14:39.259 are going into the abortion centers, they're bound in sin there, in rebellion 192 00:14:39.340 --> 00:14:43.779 to God, but so were we at one point. We need to put 193 00:14:43.779 --> 00:14:48.860 ourselves in in in the proper place that we, except for the mercy, 194 00:14:48.940 --> 00:14:52.259 in the grace of God, we would be right where they are in reality, 195 00:14:52.460 --> 00:14:54.809 right so that we can speak from such a way that imparts grace to 196 00:14:54.889 --> 00:14:58.730 the here and we're not just coming across. I guess my main point with 197 00:14:58.009 --> 00:15:01.850 this is when we speak to these women, to these men, we don't 198 00:15:01.850 --> 00:15:07.360 want to becoming across as accusatory or like somehow we're better than them. Now 199 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.360 we're accused of that. You think you're better than me, you think you're 200 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:13.960 better than these people, you think you're better than you know, the women 201 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:18.799 are the men that have abortions. I don't actually I know my own heart, 202 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.389 apart from Christ, and I'm far worse right. So I don't think 203 00:15:22.389 --> 00:15:24.950 that at all. We're accused of that, but we want to make sure 204 00:15:24.990 --> 00:15:30.870 we're not coming across and coming with a motive that lines up with that that 205 00:15:31.110 --> 00:15:35.820 we do think we man. We should never think that we're better than the 206 00:15:35.980 --> 00:15:41.100 people who are living in rebellion that God, because we at one time we're 207 00:15:41.179 --> 00:15:45.779 living in rebellion to God. Yeah, so motivation and tone are both really, 208 00:15:46.059 --> 00:15:50.210 really critical. One of the things that is always in my heart. 209 00:15:50.250 --> 00:15:56.970 Well, I guess not always because I'm not in glory yet. But but 210 00:15:56.330 --> 00:16:00.529 is am I obeying God? Yeah, and and what I'm about to say 211 00:16:00.570 --> 00:16:08.360 or do, and and certainly I mean a great verse that talks about one 212 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:15.840 of the reasons we should speak is Ezekiel, three, eighteen, nineteen, 213 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.190 and that first says, if I say to the wicked, you will surely 214 00:16:19.230 --> 00:16:22.350 die. This is God, I guess, speaking. Ye, if I 215 00:16:22.429 --> 00:16:26.669 say to the wicked, you shall surely die and you give him no warning, 216 00:16:26.309 --> 00:16:30.149 nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way in order to save 217 00:16:30.350 --> 00:16:37.419 his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood 218 00:16:37.700 --> 00:16:42.139 I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked and he 219 00:16:42.220 --> 00:16:45.700 does not turn from his weakness or from his wicked way, he shall die 220 00:16:45.820 --> 00:16:49.970 for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul. So that almost 221 00:16:49.970 --> 00:16:52.570 sounds selfish, that I'm just looking out for myself, and I'm not. 222 00:16:52.809 --> 00:16:56.490 I'm not looking at that part of it. I'm looking at where, where 223 00:16:56.570 --> 00:17:00.970 God is saying, if you know the truth and you know they're on a 224 00:17:00.009 --> 00:17:03.920 path of wicked rebellion, and where that leads? That leads to hell. 225 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:12.559 Yeah, it is not loving, nor is it really biblically allowed for us 226 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:17.950 to be silent, right, we are to speak. Yeah, absolutely. 227 00:17:18.029 --> 00:17:22.349 Yeah. So part of that that verse that I also was thinking about in 228 00:17:22.430 --> 00:17:29.470 the effusions for twenty nine is where it says as fits the occasion. Yeah, 229 00:17:30.420 --> 00:17:34.180 so we're to speak as fits the occasion, and I was thinking maybe 230 00:17:34.259 --> 00:17:37.940 here's some thoughts on that. My thought was, well, the occasion is 231 00:17:37.019 --> 00:17:41.660 a baby's about to be killed, yeah, by her own parents. Yeah, 232 00:17:41.819 --> 00:17:45.529 absolutely. Yeah. And of course, again, the occasion is that 233 00:17:45.690 --> 00:17:48.569 we're standing in front of a place of darkness, in a place of death, 234 00:17:48.650 --> 00:17:52.369 but also, again, the reality that these are these are broken and 235 00:17:52.490 --> 00:17:57.529 hurting people. They've been deceived by the devil to do something that no mother 236 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:03.279 whatever in her right mind want to do. Their under a spirit of fear. 237 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:04.920 They've been gripped by fear, fear of what's going to happen in the 238 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.279 future. So that's the occasion as well. Like we need to take in 239 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:11.839 the totality of the picture. Yes, like I said earlier, they're in 240 00:18:11.950 --> 00:18:15.549 rebellion to God, a babies about to die. As you said, it's 241 00:18:15.549 --> 00:18:19.349 a place of darkness, in a place of death, but these women, 242 00:18:19.430 --> 00:18:26.309 these men are bound by sin. You know in just like there's a balance 243 00:18:26.349 --> 00:18:29.500 here with this right. People are responsible for their sin. So they don't 244 00:18:29.500 --> 00:18:33.420 give people a free pass on rebellion and Sin Against God. But we do 245 00:18:33.539 --> 00:18:37.579 need to understand too, that these people are blinded. The Bible says, 246 00:18:37.660 --> 00:18:41.569 the God of this age has blind in their eyes. Right, they're under 247 00:18:41.609 --> 00:18:45.089 a spirit of delusion, they're believing a lie, as we had at one 248 00:18:45.170 --> 00:18:48.170 point. So we need to take in the totality of the picture and I 249 00:18:48.250 --> 00:18:52.049 think that's why there's this hopefully, what you're getting from me, guys, 250 00:18:52.089 --> 00:18:57.039 is there's this tightrope walk of walking in the spirit and speaking, yes, 251 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.480 with truth, because we're supposed to. We have to speak the truth, 252 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:07.160 but also with with kindness, with gentleness, as the Bible says. So 253 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:12.109 can you speak harsh truths like you're about to murder your child and do that 254 00:19:12.269 --> 00:19:17.869 in a loving way? Absolutely, absolutely you can. The Bible says that 255 00:19:18.029 --> 00:19:22.470 we can and that we should. But we ourselves need to be checking our 256 00:19:22.509 --> 00:19:26.099 own hearts. And if you want to do this, what I'm talking about, 257 00:19:26.019 --> 00:19:32.619 and thrive in its speak with truth and with grace, some might say. 258 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:36.619 You've got to be walking with the Lord. You've got to have your 259 00:19:36.660 --> 00:19:38.890 heart before God. You've got to be in the scriptures, because it's a 260 00:19:40.009 --> 00:19:42.210 difficult balance. We can get we can get off balance one way or the 261 00:19:42.289 --> 00:19:48.410 other where you know, it's it's all truth and no grace. Are All 262 00:19:48.529 --> 00:19:52.410 grace and no truth, and so we don't want to be an all truth 263 00:19:52.529 --> 00:19:55.400 where you're just a bully and you're just beating people up with your words, 264 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:59.440 and you don't want to be all grace where all you're talking about is how 265 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.880 much God loves people. Right. Yeah, there's that balance there and it 266 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.920 takes us being in the scriptures, walking with God and each you know, 267 00:20:07.309 --> 00:20:11.589 each other holding each other accountable on the sidewalk there. That's that's important in 268 00:20:11.829 --> 00:20:15.269 this in this conversation, that we encourage each other, that we can edify 269 00:20:15.349 --> 00:20:19.950 each other by sometimes bringing some correction. I mean, I've been corrected before 270 00:20:21.579 --> 00:20:23.700 where I've gotten a little too in the flesh or whatever, got a little 271 00:20:23.700 --> 00:20:29.099 too angry at maybe a man that's come over and gotten in my face and 272 00:20:29.180 --> 00:20:30.900 he's cussing me out and I want to, you know, just kind of 273 00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:34.809 stick my finger back in his face. So I've been corrected on that level 274 00:20:36.329 --> 00:20:40.089 and I've corrected people on that level and that's that's most of the time when 275 00:20:40.130 --> 00:20:41.410 we get off the rails, as when we start to get angry and started 276 00:20:41.410 --> 00:20:45.250 getting in the flesh and get in you know, out of balance as far 277 00:20:45.289 --> 00:20:48.769 as just hammering people with the truth. So, you know, for us 278 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:55.400 as believers in Jesus and as fellow sidewalk counselors, we need to hold each 279 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:59.799 other kind of wing edify each other and bring corrective words sometimes. Yeah, 280 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:02.920 and I don't know if you were reading ahead, but that's our next point 281 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.549 in a and a really good point. It brought up a couple things that 282 00:21:07.670 --> 00:21:10.390 I didn't mention in the article but that I was thinking as you were speaking. 283 00:21:10.470 --> 00:21:14.910 One of them the next, the next main thing that our speech needs 284 00:21:15.029 --> 00:21:18.259 to be is should equip others the work of ministry, and that's exactly what 285 00:21:18.500 --> 00:21:22.859 you were talking about. But something that occurred to me as you were speaking 286 00:21:22.900 --> 00:21:27.460 about that Balance Between Truth and grace is God knows what he's doing. It's 287 00:21:27.619 --> 00:21:33.769 so often what I have found in the team's is that there is someone that 288 00:21:33.849 --> 00:21:38.769 maybe is more suited for speaking those harsh truths and someone else who balances that 289 00:21:40.769 --> 00:21:47.880 with maybe some more of that grace and love and gentle compassionate side so that 290 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:53.759 the team really becomes like a unified body. Yeah, speaking towards those women 291 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:59.200 and and and we help each other in that manner. That that we have 292 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:04.430 different gifts. I do think every one of US needs to try and find 293 00:22:04.470 --> 00:22:07.670 that balance that you talked about. But I do know, like if I 294 00:22:07.710 --> 00:22:11.670 were as I think about my team members, there are some that I would 295 00:22:11.750 --> 00:22:15.259 probably characterize as more when hard truths need to be spoken, that's person I 296 00:22:15.819 --> 00:22:19.460 I really hope will speak up. And when there's someone may be broken and 297 00:22:19.579 --> 00:22:23.859 needs a little bit more of a gentle, compassion grace filled approach, there 298 00:22:23.900 --> 00:22:29.619 are some that are really really just suited for for that. Yeah, but 299 00:22:30.569 --> 00:22:33.609 one of the the verse that I found that speaks of that as Effesians for 300 00:22:33.849 --> 00:22:38.690 seventeen. I'm sure there's many others, but that our speech should equip the 301 00:22:38.849 --> 00:22:45.240 saints for the work of Ministry, for building up the body of Christ. 302 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:51.440 And so I was thinking, okay, does that apply to when we're standing 303 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:56.079 in front of an abortion center? And there were a few things I thought 304 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:57.480 if I'm sure you'll have some other thoughts, Daniel, but one of them 305 00:22:59.470 --> 00:23:06.230 was that if one of US stands boldly for truth, speaking truth, it 306 00:23:06.390 --> 00:23:14.019 has an encouraging effect on everyone. Yeah, there, and it I just 307 00:23:14.579 --> 00:23:18.980 just as the same as true from the perspective of the mom's going into that 308 00:23:18.059 --> 00:23:22.380 abortion center. If they're and we've seen this happen sometimes, where one will 309 00:23:22.420 --> 00:23:25.700 stand up boldly saying hey, this is wrong and I'm leaving, and others 310 00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:32.970 will follow. Yeah. So when when we stand boldly and speak truth, 311 00:23:33.690 --> 00:23:41.410 it edifies our fellow counselors in that it gives them the courage to to do 312 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:47.960 the same. Yeah. Absolute. Yeah, I mean it's just a common 313 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:55.359 human reality. Others are standing boldly, it gives us the ability to stand 314 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:59.549 boldly because we say we're not alone in this thing. Right. So, 315 00:23:59.750 --> 00:24:03.869 in in contrast, let's say that someone ask that question, why are you 316 00:24:04.109 --> 00:24:11.619 making me feel bad, and our counselor whoever is responding to that question says, 317 00:24:11.660 --> 00:24:12.740 Oh, I'm sorry, I don't want to, I don't want to 318 00:24:12.740 --> 00:24:17.420 make you feel bad, right. Yeah. Well, what that does? 319 00:24:17.539 --> 00:24:22.220 That equip and edify the church? No, because it's not biblical. Yeah, 320 00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:26.369 we, we. So we need to know how to answer that question. 321 00:24:26.970 --> 00:24:30.769 We do need a response to that question and I think the question, 322 00:24:32.170 --> 00:24:34.049 as we answer it. Not only are we helping that mom, that dad, 323 00:24:34.089 --> 00:24:37.920 whoever is, is saying hey, you're making me feel bad, but 324 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:47.079 we're reminding the church they have a role here to speak truth, speak it 325 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:52.000 graciously, speak it in love, but don't shy away from the fact that 326 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:56.750 that's what we are called to do. So when we respond well to that 327 00:24:56.829 --> 00:25:03.230 question, I think we do indeed edify our fellow believers and and help to 328 00:25:03.349 --> 00:25:07.740 build up the body of Christ. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 329 00:25:07.779 --> 00:25:12.220 Well, I mean we're we're not called to have every answer to every question 330 00:25:12.259 --> 00:25:15.980 right. Well, we are called to be ready to give a defense for 331 00:25:17.019 --> 00:25:19.700 the hope that's in us. Right, and I think that can include when 332 00:25:19.740 --> 00:25:23.769 we're speaking the truth in this context, where when somebody challenges us, we 333 00:25:23.849 --> 00:25:27.170 can give a proper response. And what is the proper response? I think 334 00:25:27.250 --> 00:25:30.609 the proper response is kind of what we talked about earlier. And again, 335 00:25:30.690 --> 00:25:34.250 tone can matter a whole lot, but I believe what you've got written here. 336 00:25:34.329 --> 00:25:37.319 You know, when someone comes out, and a lot of times it's 337 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:40.240 the man or it's a friend or something like that. It's very rarely the 338 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.599 mom that comes out and says you're making me feel bad. It's normally a 339 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.599 friend or, you know, the boyfriend or something like that. You're making 340 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.470 me feel that often apparent of the team. I heard a lot when it's 341 00:25:49.470 --> 00:25:55.670 a mom or dad protecting they feel they're protecting their their teenager. Yeah. 342 00:25:56.990 --> 00:25:59.910 So, yeah, the response, I think, is again with the proper 343 00:26:00.029 --> 00:26:04.059 tone. Maybe she feels bad because she knows what she's doing is wrong. 344 00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:07.700 And you expand on that a little bit more in the article, but that's 345 00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:11.859 basically the premise and getting into the truth that, like, do you you 346 00:26:11.980 --> 00:26:17.940 do understand what's happening here? You do know that she's about to take the 347 00:26:18.019 --> 00:26:22.609 life of her baby and we're just here to offer help. We're not here 348 00:26:22.769 --> 00:26:26.130 just to make her feel bad. We're here to speak the truth to her, 349 00:26:26.690 --> 00:26:29.890 and so I might say something like that. You know, I'm not 350 00:26:30.049 --> 00:26:33.039 here just to make your feel bad, but if she feels bad, maybe 351 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:38.559 it's because what she's doing is bad. Yeah, and that's probably the Holy 352 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:44.519 Spirit convicting your affect not probably how it's say. Definitely right, that's the 353 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.309 Holy Spirit convicting her. It's because she knows that she shouldn't do this and 354 00:26:48.789 --> 00:26:52.230 she doesn't have to do this. We're here to offer help. We're here 355 00:26:52.269 --> 00:26:56.069 to offer hope and to say that she doesn't have to do that thing that 356 00:26:56.230 --> 00:27:02.259 she feels bad about. MMM, I've heard you, I've heard many of 357 00:27:02.420 --> 00:27:07.220 our counselors say in response to that question. If she were here having a 358 00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:11.380 tooth pulled, do you think there's anything we could say that would make her 359 00:27:11.420 --> 00:27:14.740 feel guilty or bad? Yeah, actually did have someone to say once. 360 00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:18.170 Yes, well, there probably are things I could say that might except but 361 00:27:18.329 --> 00:27:23.410 in general no, you don't feel guilty about getting a tooth pulled because it's 362 00:27:23.450 --> 00:27:26.609 not a moral decision. I don't think. Maybe there are times when it 363 00:27:26.769 --> 00:27:30.000 is, but in most cases I don't think having a tooth pull there's generally 364 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:37.279 a moral decision. But this is abortion is a moral decision and with direct 365 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:47.630 consequence to rebellion or obedience to God and and the Bible is clear that shall 366 00:27:47.710 --> 00:27:52.069 not murder and that the unborn is a innocent, sacred life. Yeah, 367 00:27:52.069 --> 00:27:57.470 human life. It should be protected. So it I think it is really 368 00:27:57.549 --> 00:28:04.500 important to be able to confidently answer in that you're at a fine many people 369 00:28:06.140 --> 00:28:11.619 if you can respond gently, kindly but truthfully to that question. You know 370 00:28:11.660 --> 00:28:15.089 you're obviously outifying the MOMS and the dad's or the friends you're at to find 371 00:28:15.130 --> 00:28:19.250 the pro choice. People would they will often speak. They'll often ask this 372 00:28:19.369 --> 00:28:25.369 as well. But we're also out of fine or our fellow believers when because 373 00:28:25.410 --> 00:28:30.839 I think especially new counselors do sometimes think, oh, yeah, I don't 374 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.200 want to make anyone feel bad. Yeah, and yeah, we're so often 375 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:42.589 can accused of spreading condemnation and wholier than thou says, Righteous, judgmental whatever. 376 00:28:44.109 --> 00:28:45.950 Yeah, I think that comes again in checking the motive of our heart 377 00:28:47.470 --> 00:28:51.150 and the way that we carry ourselves. You know, people can, people 378 00:28:51.269 --> 00:28:56.700 can sense when you're genuine right and even though they might accuse you of you 379 00:28:57.420 --> 00:29:02.420 not being genuine, of having evil motives, they can tell when your motives 380 00:29:02.420 --> 00:29:04.460 are pure. And so we do need to check our hearts before God. 381 00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:10.930 And you know, the reality is our calling to be out there is not 382 00:29:11.170 --> 00:29:15.890 to make women feel bad about their decision. It's to point them to Jesus. 383 00:29:17.009 --> 00:29:18.410 Now, we do know that, in order for people to be like 384 00:29:18.609 --> 00:29:22.890 ourselves right, we didn't come to Jesus until we felt bad for our sin. 385 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:30.599 So, in a sense, like there is this this this this modern 386 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.720 Christian notion that the worst possible thing you could ever do is to judge somebody 387 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:41.029 or to make them feel guilty. But I want to say Biblically, guilt 388 00:29:41.349 --> 00:29:47.309 is not always a bad thing. Right guilt is what leads us to the 389 00:29:47.430 --> 00:29:51.710 one who removes our guilt. The Holy Spirit operates. The Bible says, 390 00:29:52.190 --> 00:29:55.700 and just what Jesus said. He says the spirit will come to convict the 391 00:29:55.779 --> 00:30:00.220 World Concerning Sin, righteousness and judgment. Those are heavy words that we don't 392 00:30:00.259 --> 00:30:04.460 like to talk about, Sin and righteousness and judgment, but that's the work 393 00:30:04.539 --> 00:30:08.089 of the Holy Spirit. To those who don't know God, he says he 394 00:30:08.170 --> 00:30:12.730 comes to convict the World Concerning Sin and righteousness and judgment. Those who don't 395 00:30:12.730 --> 00:30:18.210 know God, he's going to make them feel guilty about their sin. He's 396 00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:22.759 going to show them that they need righteousness that comes through through Christ and that 397 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.759 there is a judgment to come. So you know, in a sense, 398 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:29.359 we're not out there to judge people, we're not out there to make them 399 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.160 feel guilty, we're not out there to make them feel bad. But if 400 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:37.430 they do, then let's trust that that's the holy spirits work, and that's 401 00:30:37.470 --> 00:30:41.670 what I will say. As I just talked about, maybe that's God convicting 402 00:30:41.750 --> 00:30:45.230 you that you know what you're about to do is wrong, and I might 403 00:30:45.269 --> 00:30:48.470 identify with that and say I understand that. Listen, God convicted me of 404 00:30:48.670 --> 00:30:52.299 my sin, he convicted me of how I had gone away from him, 405 00:30:52.579 --> 00:30:57.180 away from truth, in order to bring me to himself. So maybe that's 406 00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:00.740 what the Lord's doing in your heart. Maybe that's what the Lord's doing in 407 00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:03.569 the heart of your friend, because he wants them to come to him and 408 00:31:03.690 --> 00:31:07.529 to put their trust in him. And so I'd know. That's kind of 409 00:31:07.569 --> 00:31:12.769 how I would I would view it and how I would respond. Yeah, 410 00:31:12.970 --> 00:31:18.049 and I agree with all that. I will often say I you know it. 411 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.480 I think guilt is a blessing, yeah, from God, when I'm 412 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.880 doing something that's I'm guilty of. That is how he steers me, me 413 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:33.309 away from that behavior. So we should, we should listen to that voice 414 00:31:33.349 --> 00:31:38.750 of in our conscience, that guilt. That is how God often tells us, 415 00:31:38.789 --> 00:31:41.910 yeah, you need to turn from this. Yeah, absolutely. And 416 00:31:42.190 --> 00:31:48.420 so guilt, their feeling, is not coming from us, but it probably 417 00:31:48.539 --> 00:31:56.059 is a by product of us speaking truth that reveals the evil that they are 418 00:31:56.180 --> 00:32:00.859 contemplating. Yeah, absolutely. It's not our purpose, it's not our motivation 419 00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:05.970 to make them feel guilt. Our motivation is to speak truth and then guilt 420 00:32:06.609 --> 00:32:13.410 should occur if, if that truth reveals darkness. And said absolutely. Yeah. 421 00:32:15.130 --> 00:32:22.759 Another verse that I think is really important in how we should speak is 422 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:28.240 second Corinthians, nineteen. Have you been thinking all along that we've been defending 423 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.349 ourselves to you? It is in the side of God that we've been speaking 424 00:32:30.390 --> 00:32:37.309 to Christ and all for your upbuilding, beloved. Why I think that such 425 00:32:37.349 --> 00:32:39.869 an important verse is I think it tells us one of the things we shouldn't 426 00:32:39.869 --> 00:32:45.779 do in our speech, and that is to speak in a defensive mode. 427 00:32:45.819 --> 00:32:50.859 Okay, and what I mean by that because I've heard this that and we've 428 00:32:50.980 --> 00:32:57.940 all done it, where we're under such brutal attack from the pro abortion grewop 429 00:33:00.089 --> 00:33:05.250 that we we know their lies. They're often very personal, and so we 430 00:33:05.369 --> 00:33:08.329 spend a lot of our speech out there defending ourselves. Yeah, and I 431 00:33:08.450 --> 00:33:15.960 think that in fact, sometimes more time defending ourselves then speaking the truth that 432 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:20.680 might save that child's life or convict us soul bent on sin. Yeah, 433 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:27.190 and so I think God is specifically warning us here and in other places about 434 00:33:28.390 --> 00:33:31.470 don't worry about defending yourself. That's not the point. Yeah, God is 435 00:33:31.509 --> 00:33:37.109 our defender first of all, and if we're there, our duty is not 436 00:33:37.910 --> 00:33:44.099 to show that we should be there. Our duty is to speak truth. 437 00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:51.059 Yeah, and and I think we have to be careful about being defensive and 438 00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:58.049 wasting precious time trying to defend ourselves as opposed to trying to defend that baby. 439 00:33:58.410 --> 00:34:01.089 We yeah, the truth of God. Yeah, yeah. One thing 440 00:34:01.130 --> 00:34:06.690 I've said and I've learned is that you're never going to be able to satisfy 441 00:34:06.730 --> 00:34:10.880 all of the questions and all of the accusations that proabortion people especially have. 442 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.280 But even you know, the friends and boyfriends that come over and just accuse 443 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.679 you. They have no context, really do accuse you. I mean I've 444 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.360 been accused of you know, you're telling these women that they're murderers, you're 445 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.949 telling these women that their horrors and things like this, and I'm like, 446 00:34:25.750 --> 00:34:30.110 when have I ever said that? I have never said that. Please, 447 00:34:30.150 --> 00:34:32.670 if you can show me a recording of me or anyone on my team ever 448 00:34:32.829 --> 00:34:37.230 saying that. Now I would say that I agree. I've said that abortion 449 00:34:37.309 --> 00:34:42.340 is murder, but I don't just accusatorily yell at women you're a murderer. 450 00:34:42.619 --> 00:34:45.260 I don't do that, because I don't think that's helpful. And if they 451 00:34:45.260 --> 00:34:47.500 haven't had the abortion, that it's not true. Right, they're going to 452 00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:52.139 be they don't repent. But let's just this is not how we operate. 453 00:34:52.539 --> 00:34:57.210 We don't operate and just yelling out, just accusatory statements. And so I 454 00:34:57.329 --> 00:35:00.809 say that to say that there are people that just want to distract you, 455 00:35:00.849 --> 00:35:05.130 they just want to make you doubt your calling and it's really demonic, to 456 00:35:05.210 --> 00:35:07.119 be honest with you. Right, they're being fueled by the lives of the 457 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:12.639 enemy, accusations against you. What is the devil? He's the accuser of 458 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.440 the brethren and he uses people. The Bible says that his spirit is the 459 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:22.909 spirits that is at work in unbelievers. Right, the spirit that's at work 460 00:35:22.989 --> 00:35:28.630 in unbelievers to accuse us and you know, to accuse us the eve of 461 00:35:28.750 --> 00:35:30.670 evil motives. It's why we need to examine our hearts. The Bible says 462 00:35:30.670 --> 00:35:34.389 if we judge ourselves, will not be judged of God's we need to we 463 00:35:34.510 --> 00:35:37.780 need to judge our own hearts and examine our own hearts and once we've done 464 00:35:37.820 --> 00:35:42.420 that we can have confidence that we're speaking out of pure motives and the accusations 465 00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:45.579 that come and the questions that come about why we're doing what we're doing, 466 00:35:45.699 --> 00:35:49.300 and all those things can fall to the ground. We don't need to defend 467 00:35:49.340 --> 00:35:52.530 ourselves. We don't need to defend God. God can defend himself. Right 468 00:35:53.289 --> 00:35:59.929 and and just. You let them speak their foolishness and the Bible says you 469 00:35:59.969 --> 00:36:01.849 answer a fool, according to us, folly, and you can become like 470 00:36:01.969 --> 00:36:05.639 him. Right, we don't need to get in the muck and the Mare 471 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.960 of all these these things, like you said, not being listened we belong 472 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.719 to the eternal God, the God who made the heavens of the earth. 473 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.400 We're actually, according to the Bible, we're his sons and daughters. Yeah, 474 00:36:17.710 --> 00:36:21.949 so all the accusations that can come and all that you're this or you're 475 00:36:22.030 --> 00:36:24.230 that kind of stuff, that none of that matters in the light of the 476 00:36:24.269 --> 00:36:29.590 fact that we belong to the Lord and he'll defend us. And it's right 477 00:36:29.590 --> 00:36:32.619 and right, it's it's going to be very clear to these people, if 478 00:36:32.659 --> 00:36:37.420 they don't repent when they stand before God, that what we were doing. 479 00:36:37.539 --> 00:36:38.940 We were doing out of a love for people, on a love for God. 480 00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:44.619 You're just not going to be able to correct everybody's misunderstanding right now, 481 00:36:44.780 --> 00:36:47.289 in time, right, and God will that right and eternity. Yeah, 482 00:36:47.449 --> 00:36:51.570 nor should you. It's it's not what you're out there to do, which 483 00:36:51.570 --> 00:36:55.730 kind of leads to what you said be just a second ago about your motivation. 484 00:36:55.969 --> 00:37:00.409 Is You love them and you want, you're seeking their good, honestly, 485 00:37:00.530 --> 00:37:05.079 and that that's then, the next main point about what our speech should 486 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.599 be. Our speech should reflect that we are speaking for their good. Yeah, 487 00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:15.869 and so Romans fifteen to let each of us please his neighbor for his 488 00:37:15.190 --> 00:37:20.110 good, to build them up again. That build up is that, if 489 00:37:20.190 --> 00:37:23.070 I to Pul them up. So, and I thought this was an interesting 490 00:37:23.150 --> 00:37:27.110 verse because I'd like to hear your take on that. So the first part 491 00:37:27.150 --> 00:37:30.539 of it to please his neighbor. Do you think we're pleasing our neighbor up 492 00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:35.500 there when we are, well, I mean at their speech. I mean, 493 00:37:35.539 --> 00:37:37.219 if you think about it, when we're talking to a mom going into 494 00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:42.460 the abortion center, that little baby is our neighbor and she is our neighbor. 495 00:37:42.619 --> 00:37:45.730 Right. So yeah, we're pleasing our neighbor, we're doing good toward 496 00:37:45.809 --> 00:37:51.050 our neighbor and lines in line with proverbs. Thirty one, verses eight nine. 497 00:37:51.090 --> 00:37:52.730 We're open in a mouth for the speechless. Hey, in the cause 498 00:37:52.769 --> 00:37:55.610 of all who are appointed to die. Right, we're speaking on behalf of 499 00:37:55.730 --> 00:38:01.639 our neighbor. Now that mom, who's also our neighbor. She's she's the 500 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.760 one that's going to go in. Like we've talked about in the past, 501 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.280 she's the judge. Ultimately, she gets to say whether or not that baby 502 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:13.909 lives or dies. Unfortunately, in our society, she's also our neighbor, 503 00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:17.750 but she's put herself in a different position. So to edify her, to 504 00:38:17.909 --> 00:38:22.510 bring her up like that definition, to bring her up to where she needs 505 00:38:22.550 --> 00:38:24.670 to be morally, we've got to speak some truth. It's going to sting, 506 00:38:24.869 --> 00:38:29.420 that's going to hurt, but our motivation is for her good. Like 507 00:38:29.579 --> 00:38:34.300 I don't want to speak to her the truth about your her baby and the 508 00:38:34.380 --> 00:38:37.860 resources that are available and what God sees as what she's about to do is 509 00:38:38.059 --> 00:38:43.889 murder, and just kind of give her the information. And you know, 510 00:38:43.969 --> 00:38:45.650 I want to give her that information so that she just feels bad. No, 511 00:38:45.730 --> 00:38:49.809 I want her to, if she is feeling bad, ultimately to come 512 00:38:49.889 --> 00:38:52.610 to Jesus. I want her to turn to the Lord. I want the 513 00:38:52.650 --> 00:38:57.440 highest good for her, which is eternal life. Yeah, as I was 514 00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.159 thinking through that, I was thinking, well, you know, honestly, 515 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.480 do they feel please with a lot of what I say? No, they 516 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:09.909 don't, not initially, but I will say the ones that choose life overwhelmingly 517 00:39:10.389 --> 00:39:16.110 contact to contact us at some point following that choice and thank us. Yeah, 518 00:39:16.150 --> 00:39:21.670 we're helping to prevent them making the biggest mistake of their life and at 519 00:39:21.710 --> 00:39:27.380 that point they recognize our speech was to please them because really, ultimately the 520 00:39:27.500 --> 00:39:32.340 speech is is to please God. But but that versus saying that that we 521 00:39:32.420 --> 00:39:40.449 are pleasing them for their good, because that really is is the the motivation. 522 00:39:40.769 --> 00:39:45.449 It is for their good that we're speaking this truth, because abortion is, 523 00:39:46.090 --> 00:39:51.409 I think you talked in the last podcast about its ugly tentacles. Extend 524 00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:58.519 your ways that really so much beyond the death of an innocent baby that are 525 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:04.599 often not revealed for decades and and it's inner generational and it just affects so 526 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:10.309 much. So for us to be speaking for their good has to be speaking 527 00:40:10.349 --> 00:40:15.510 the truth that this is wrong. Yeah, yeah, a a terrible choice. 528 00:40:15.550 --> 00:40:22.219 Yeah, because again, if we just speak flowery words and you know, 529 00:40:22.980 --> 00:40:27.659 you know abortions your choice and it's not a big deal and we kind 530 00:40:27.699 --> 00:40:30.980 of comfort them in their sin. Are we really edifying? I mean that 531 00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:36.130 in actuality we're tearing them down. Yeah, because we're not giving them the 532 00:40:36.250 --> 00:40:40.170 truth about about their eternal state before the Lord. Yeah, we're saying abruptly 533 00:40:42.010 --> 00:40:46.809 on the definition, we're specifically altering the message to suit someone sensibilities at the 534 00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:52.280 time and with no regard to what the Bible actually says or what God has 535 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.960 told us to do. Yeah. Yeah, and if it may appear for 536 00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.360 the moment that we're building them up, like we're making them feel good about 537 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:07.349 themselves, in reality it's like building a building with with faulty materials, right, 538 00:41:07.630 --> 00:41:10.429 thank going to fall. Yeah, because ultimately the Bible's very clear. 539 00:41:10.510 --> 00:41:14.949 We will all stand before God and give an account for what we've done. 540 00:41:15.989 --> 00:41:19.340 And the Bible's very clear again that those who love the truth, that we 541 00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:24.099 should speak the truth and we should confront sin. You know, Effesians is 542 00:41:24.139 --> 00:41:28.900 at five eleven. Have no fellowship with the in fruit of works of darkness. 543 00:41:28.940 --> 00:41:34.130 Rather expose them like that's edifying speech. Actually, we expose through our 544 00:41:34.170 --> 00:41:38.650 speech and that's edifying actually, even though it doesn't feel good to those who 545 00:41:38.650 --> 00:41:44.769 are in darkness, it's still edifying right, because ultimately the goal is to 546 00:41:45.449 --> 00:41:47.920 really build them up, not on not with faulty materials, but with real 547 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:53.400 materials of real truth that's actually going to be an edifice, to be a 548 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.559 building that cannot be shaken. To the Bible says, they it. He 549 00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.190 will shake everything that can be shaken and these false comforts in these false notions 550 00:42:01.230 --> 00:42:07.269 that God's okay with whatever is. It's a shaky foundation. It's a shaky 551 00:42:07.349 --> 00:42:12.190 building that will fall when when people stand before the Lord, you know one 552 00:42:12.230 --> 00:42:14.590 of them. I think this is our last main point. One of the 553 00:42:15.309 --> 00:42:20.860 dangers, I think of of really being gung home about a a fine, 554 00:42:21.260 --> 00:42:27.940 which we should be. But I've heard it. I've heard many groups and 555 00:42:28.219 --> 00:42:36.690 people say, well, we're justified in righteous anger because Jesus showed certainly showed 556 00:42:36.690 --> 00:42:39.369 righteous anger when he overturned the tables, for example in the temple, and 557 00:42:39.690 --> 00:42:45.079 and some of our other responses. We are justified in that. And and 558 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:52.320 so there are some some people that will rationalize. In my opinion it's it's 559 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.519 rationalizing. I could be wrong, but the anger level or even the name 560 00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.630 calling, because you can biblically support that. I mean Jesus did do both. 561 00:43:01.550 --> 00:43:06.949 But is that our goal? And I and I think that we've kind 562 00:43:06.989 --> 00:43:09.949 of shown that that in most of the verses that talk about speech, it 563 00:43:10.510 --> 00:43:16.619 talks about at a fine. One of the verses that to me spoke to 564 00:43:16.780 --> 00:43:25.739 this last main point about being really careful about basically righteous anger and and name 565 00:43:27.019 --> 00:43:30.929 calling is First Corinthians ten, twenty three. All things are lawful, but 566 00:43:31.210 --> 00:43:37.369 not all things are helpful. All things are lawful, but not all things 567 00:43:37.449 --> 00:43:40.409 build up. Again, build up, which is at a FY. So 568 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:45.679 not all things are at afying. We may be allowed to do it, 569 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.960 we could even be biblically justified in doing it, but is it at a 570 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:59.789 fine? Does it build up? And I have never felt that a show 571 00:43:59.909 --> 00:44:07.389 of great anger, especially if accompanied with name calling, is at a fine 572 00:44:07.070 --> 00:44:13.860 to me, it just puts up a wall right away and and I lose 573 00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:21.739 the opportunity for any extended atifying speech. Yeah, so what do you think? 574 00:44:22.019 --> 00:44:25.849 Yeah, I mean absolutely, we've got to operate in such a way 575 00:44:27.329 --> 00:44:32.409 that's truthful but also gracious and even though, again, like the Scripture says, 576 00:44:32.449 --> 00:44:35.769 we can justify it. I mean, after all, Jesus called the 577 00:44:35.809 --> 00:44:39.000 Pharisees Snakes Children, he called them whitewash tunes, and so we maybe he 578 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:45.239 was calling them names. Right. Jesus's motives were always pure right. He 579 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:49.159 always did what he heard the father. You always said we'd heard the father 580 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.110 say. Did what the father commanded him to do. We're not in that 581 00:44:53.269 --> 00:44:59.230 state where we always perfectly hear from God. Jesus knew what to say. 582 00:44:59.230 --> 00:45:00.389 At the moment we don't. We have to do the best we can, 583 00:45:00.989 --> 00:45:06.789 working through what we know, and so our default should always be toward grace 584 00:45:07.300 --> 00:45:10.900 and toward seeking to edify, seeking to build up, seeking to even, 585 00:45:12.219 --> 00:45:15.699 you know, build bridges with people and not to burn them. Right, 586 00:45:16.300 --> 00:45:20.699 and I do think you know. As far as angry is concerned, the 587 00:45:20.739 --> 00:45:22.809 Bible says that the anger of Man Does Not work the righteousness of God. 588 00:45:23.969 --> 00:45:28.050 So we can justify our anger. Listen, if there's ever a place where 589 00:45:28.050 --> 00:45:31.369 we can justify being angry and getting in the flesh is that it's at a 590 00:45:31.369 --> 00:45:35.920 place where they're murdering children for money. Right, that's a place where we 591 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.960 could justify. But we have to remember we're there to honor Jesus and we 592 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:45.079 don't see the whole picture. We don't see the totality what's going on. 593 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.679 We have to do the best we can with the information we have and and 594 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.030 yes, speak the truth, but do it in a balanced way where we're 595 00:45:52.150 --> 00:45:55.510 trying to we want to have conversations with the people going in. We don't 596 00:45:55.510 --> 00:45:59.469 want to just write them off. We don't want to just come across as 597 00:46:00.030 --> 00:46:05.260 being judge or whatever. And so, you know, I think again, 598 00:46:05.300 --> 00:46:07.940 I think my charge has been all along. Right, we need to be 599 00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:10.619 walking with the Lord, we need to be seeking him, seeking wisdom that 600 00:46:10.659 --> 00:46:14.940 comes from him. There's going to be times where we speak in such a 601 00:46:15.019 --> 00:46:17.380 way where it's going to come across as harsh and we've spoken out of a 602 00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:22.969 pure motive. We can't walk on the eggshells constantly and be concerned constantly about 603 00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:27.010 how what we're saying might be perceived. But we do need to consider that. 604 00:46:27.289 --> 00:46:29.889 I guess it's probably the best I'll say. We need to consider the 605 00:46:29.929 --> 00:46:32.360 way that we're perceived. But if we're speaking the truth and we're doing it 606 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:37.000 consistently with scriptures, we're doing out a pure motive. I think God will 607 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:45.599 honor that for sure. Yeah, yeah, and then and I think to 608 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.590 wrap up with this scripture, Colossians for six, and in. Guys, 609 00:46:49.670 --> 00:46:51.989 we want to hear what you guys have to say. Some of you been 610 00:46:52.030 --> 00:46:54.909 serving on the sidewalk for a long time. Maybe you can bring some value 611 00:46:54.949 --> 00:47:00.070 to this conversation as we're talking about this kind of that balance and how we 612 00:47:00.230 --> 00:47:04.699 edify and how we speak in such a way that imparts grace you to hear. 613 00:47:05.860 --> 00:47:07.059 So We'd love to hear from you, guys. Shoot is over an 614 00:47:07.099 --> 00:47:10.539 email. Daniel Love Life Dot Org, Vicky at Love Life Dot Org, 615 00:47:10.579 --> 00:47:14.980 but I don't read this scripture. That I think is a good one to 616 00:47:15.059 --> 00:47:19.170 end with, and this is the Collossians for six scripture. Let your speech 617 00:47:19.570 --> 00:47:23.929 always be gracious, seasoned with Salt, so that you may know how you 618 00:47:24.130 --> 00:47:30.800 ought to answer each person. HMM. Speech always be gracious, seasoned with 619 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.400 Salt. So I want to make sure it's season. Will make sure that 620 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:42.320 what we're saying is out of a pure motive, that what we're saying we 621 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.670 actually want people to receive rather than just throw it information out there. And 622 00:47:46.309 --> 00:47:52.710 you know, ultimately the goal is that that Jesus Christ is glorified above all 623 00:47:52.829 --> 00:47:55.429 things, and so just want to give you guys. That encouragement give you, 624 00:47:55.469 --> 00:47:58.510 guys. Is that charge you? We'd love to hear from you, 625 00:47:58.579 --> 00:48:01.780 guys, and hear other subjects, topics that we can cover. I don't 626 00:48:01.780 --> 00:48:05.019 know, Vicky, have anything you want to add just as we wrap this 627 00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:07.500 thing up? Just I thought it was interesting. I didn't catch this one. 628 00:48:07.539 --> 00:48:12.300 I was thinking about that first. But seasoned with Salt. Salt was 629 00:48:12.340 --> 00:48:19.130 a preservative and kept things from being corrupted. So I think that's another you 630 00:48:19.250 --> 00:48:22.369 know, call to be be careful that your speech is not corrupted, that 631 00:48:22.449 --> 00:48:28.119 you are speaking without error as best you can, which which means scripture. 632 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.039 Go, yeah, go to the Bible. Yeah, absolutely. Amen. 633 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.679 All right, guess with that we'll wrap this podcast up. We appreciate you 634 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.599 guys listening and until next time. God, bless God, bless y'all. 635 00:48:44.190 --> 00:48:57.059 Give me our love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I 636 00:48:57.420 --> 00:49:06.780 know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious in some you