Working With Pregnancy Centers

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.040 This is all about bringing glory to the name of Jesus and US working together, 2 00:00:04.599 --> 00:00:10.080 and it really is kind of that that three, three stranded chord working 3 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:13.080 together right and even, of course, the Lord working through it. But 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:18.920 the pregnancy center, love life, the local church and the Lord bonds all 5 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:23.359 that together so that this three stranded chord cannot be broken, you know, 6 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:28.079 and it's a really powerful way to show these women that there is a group 7 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:35.159 of people that will come around them. I'm yours, I'm yours, I'm 8 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:41.960 yours, and me, Lord, I'm yours, I'm yours. 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And 18 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:32.120 UH, of course I'm joined about Vicky, cassie, Org hey, Vicky, 19 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:36.239 hey, there everyone, and Um, we're gonna jump right into our 20 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:40.599 subject, and our subject today is, I think, a very important topic 21 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:45.079 that we we've talked about all along, but I don't know if we've done 22 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.480 a specific episode about this subject now. I did did do an interview at 23 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:55.879 the very beginning of this actual of this podcast. Um, so that would 24 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.680 have been like maybe two years ago or something, where I interviewed Tara Quinn, 25 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:04.239 who works with health pregnancy center, our partnering Ministry in Monrode, North 26 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:10.080 Carolina, which is awesome partnering Ministry Party Probably Pioneered The whole mobile ultrasound unit 27 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.840 thing, like bringing the mobile ultrasound unit out to the abortion center and just 28 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:20.080 that that whole ministry they have been doing for years and years before really any 29 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.120 of the other pregnancy centers or ministries were doing that. So awesome partners. 30 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.240 So, guys, I definitely encourage you to guys, to go back and 31 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:30.960 listen to that episode. Really focused on the Gospel and the necessary component of 32 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:35.400 bringing the Gospel Um to the women at the pregnancy centers. But we're gonna 33 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:42.240 be talking more about how we as sidewalk folks can can really help, Um, 34 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:46.000 these MOMS that we encounter at the abortion center by connecting them to pregnancy 35 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.159 resource centers and how we can work with the pregnancy centers. I don't know, 36 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.639 Vicky, if you want to share something by the way of introy before 37 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:55.400 we jump into everything. Yeah, well, of all of the ministry partner, 38 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:02.560 ministry Um Relationships, the relationship with the pregnancy resource center is certainly one 39 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:07.360 of the most important. The church first and foremost, but then the pregnancy 40 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:09.879 resource centers, because they've already been doing this. They usually have a lot 41 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:15.360 of resources on their own. They already have the groundwork for working with MOMS 42 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:22.719 invulnerable pregnancy. So they are an incredible ally and everything they offer is free, 43 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:28.080 and so many of these women are in such deep financial distress that that 44 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:35.199 is an awesome service for them to be aware of. Yeah, definitely. 45 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:39.400 Like I would say, one of the most important things is having an alternative 46 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:45.120 to the abortion center, so we can say, rather than go there talking 47 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:49.319 about the abortion center, you can go here Um, and it's incredible. 48 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.400 If you can have a pregnancy center that's within walking distance, within the line 49 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:57.639 of side, or like we have a mobile ultrasound unit and many other cities 50 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:01.120 have a mobile ultrasound unit right there near the Abord and center of some cities 51 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:06.479 have the pregnancy center is just around the corner or whatever. But it's like 52 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:11.280 it's a good it's a good alternative, it's a good instead of going there, 53 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.800 come here to get them away from the battle zone and from that place 54 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:19.079 of darkness, for sure right. And it is so important that, in 55 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.920 if you're new on the sidewalk and you're starting to expand your network of of 56 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:31.639 partnering ministries, that you establish a collaborative relationship with the PRCS as opposed to 57 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:39.000 a competitive relationship. And I can't stress that enough, because sometimes people can 58 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:44.560 be very territorial, especially if donor funds are limited and they feel like they're 59 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:49.959 not being given credit. So it's really important to recognize we do different things 60 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:58.680 and Um and what we do is definitely collaborative and we really can enhance what 61 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:04.399 each ministry does. So, you know, go and establish a a good 62 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:10.399 relationship with with the PRCS. Introduce Yourself, go and talk with them. 63 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:14.240 Let them know you're new on the sidewalk or you're on the sidewalk and you 64 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:17.480 will be sending moms their way and find out how they would most want you 65 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:23.199 to do that so they don't feel like you're just running the show. But 66 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:28.399 it has without a doubt it's one of the most important Um tools I think, 67 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:33.920 that we have in helping about and I will say that just so folks 68 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:38.399 know who are maybe brand new to pro life ministry, is there is some 69 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:46.040 history and some potential contention between pregnancy centers and sidewalk ministries. There's a view 70 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.879 from some pregnancy centers, maybe not most, but some pregnancy centers, that 71 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:56.000 the sidewalk ministry is either not a valid ministry or maybe they've had some bad 72 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.279 experiences in the past with sidewalk people, and so it's it's helpful to come 73 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.279 in knowing that Um but also you don't want to come in with a posture 74 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:08.600 of, you know, immediately thinking that they're they're not gonna like you Um, 75 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.639 because this is a kingdom effort. This is not about us, this 76 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.079 is not about them, this is about advancing the Kingdom of God. And 77 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.720 so when you do try to establish that relationship with the pregnancy center. You've 78 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:23.199 got to come with a kingdom mindset, you've got to come with humility and 79 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:27.879 you've got to come with an attitude of or at least an understanding that it's 80 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.279 possible. In the past there have been some other folks on the sidewalk there 81 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:35.279 that rubbed the pregnancy center the wrong way and maybe they're painting you with the 82 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:39.040 braw brush and putting you in that same box, but that's not who you 83 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.720 are. So I think what's helpful when you approach that pregnancy center for the 84 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.279 first time and in your own going connections to the pregnancy center, just letting 85 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.639 them know that you're a part of love life, you're part of a reputable 86 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:54.680 ministry, you're not just some Ragtag Group of people. Um, I think 87 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:58.480 helping them to to see like even with our code of conduct, sharing with 88 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.480 them, our sidewalk out reach code of conduct, sharing with them, I 89 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.000 mean to me, it's helpful if you can set up a one on one 90 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:06.959 meeting. Again, if you're brand new to the sidewalk and you're one of 91 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:12.199 the leaders there, UM, set up a meeting with the pregnancy center to 92 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.439 establish a relationship there, help them to understand who you are, the angle 93 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:19.079 that you're coming from and your heart, and that'll help build that bridge, 94 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:26.240 for sure it will. And I if I have a mom who is willing 95 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:30.639 to go onto an ultrasound, to the free ultrasound of a pregnancy resource center, 96 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:36.879 I will call and schedule with that pregnancy resource center instead of just sending 97 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:40.720 her there. For one thing, she might get way laid by the pro 98 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:46.199 abortion crowd, she may have doubts, she's certainly still vulnerable, and so 99 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.800 I will call the pregnancy resource center and to tip them off where I am, 100 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:54.480 I'll introduce myself. I'm Vicky and I'm standing in front of the so 101 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:57.800 and so abortion center. We have a mom who would love to see her 102 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.759 baby. Would would you be able to schedule her? And what you're doing 103 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:07.079 than is indicating. This is dire. You know, time is of the 104 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.480 essence. Is Mom needs to get in and and see the baby right away. 105 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.000 So and that gets that gets into I think, a really important point 106 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:24.839 about the different populations, because they are slightly different that typically a pregnancy resource 107 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:31.560 center will see and what we will see as sidewalk counselors on the sidewalk. 108 00:08:31.320 --> 00:08:35.840 Yeah, and so you have here in the article that the PRCS typically see, 109 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.759 and my wife has worked for I think, three or four different pregnancy 110 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.679 centers here in our area over the years and so we know that side of 111 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.399 things. Again, we have a good relationship with, I think with all 112 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.919 of the local pregnancy centers here in the Charlotte area. But it's been a 113 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:52.720 long time coming. I mean there has been some contention and some things we 114 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.240 had to work through. We have to come with humility. But Um, 115 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:01.360 because we talk about the populations that pregnancy centers you have here, that they 116 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:07.879 serve typically abortion vulnerable women, and we on the sidewalks see abortion determined women 117 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.200 and I would say, Um, there are a lot of situations in which 118 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:18.679 these pregnancy centers do encounter abortion determined women, women who sometimes think they're coming 119 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.120 to an abortion center and or at least think that that pregnancy center will refer 120 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.480 them for an abortion. And so these women are, UM, abortion determined. 121 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.759 But I think for the most part, and Um, you know, 122 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.960 maybe some of the pregnancy center folks could correct us on this, but at 123 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:35.879 least my experience and what I know from my wife working at pregnancy centers, 124 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:41.639 Um, I would think the abortion vulnerable category for sure now I will say 125 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.000 for us, Um, on the sidewalks in front of the abortion center, 126 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:52.480 not only do we see abortion vulnerable women and abortion determined women, but there's 127 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:58.440 a sense in which we encounter abortion engaged women, like they're engaged in the 128 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.519 process of having abortion right, they have the money in their hand, they 129 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:09.159 have an appointment on the books, they're already engaged in that process, and 130 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.360 so it's even a level higher than even abortion determined. Is that I mean? 131 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.600 I guess it's the same in a sense, but you are we are 132 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.799 stopping someone in their tracks on their way to take the life of their baby, 133 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:24.519 and the mentality is a good bit different, or at least it's ramped 134 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.600 up more than someone who's just considering an abortion. They're determined to have an 135 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:33.000 abortion, but they don't have the appointment on the books, they don't have 136 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.519 the money in their hand, they don't have, you know, all the 137 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.320 things together, ride to the abortion center and all that stuff together. Yet 138 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.039 Um, and it kind of puts us in more of a non one, 139 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:48.960 one emergency situation, right. And I think why this is important. Yeah, 140 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:54.480 I think why this is important is because we have to come when we're 141 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.320 trying to build that relationship with the pregnancy center, when we're on the sidewalk 142 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:01.960 calling the pregnancy center saying we have a mom here that's you know, she's 143 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.919 at the abortion center and she was willing to come and get an ultrasound. 144 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:11.200 We have to understand that the pregnancy centers are not always going to understand the 145 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.919 kind of emergency nature and the urgency that we have. And we can take 146 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.639 a posture, because I've seen this happen where we call the pregnancy center, 147 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.559 one of our teams calls the pregnancy center and the pregnancy center says, well, 148 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:26.759 we're booked for the day and we don't have any open slots, and 149 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.360 the immediate reaction is, well, this is a life and death situation, 150 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:35.360 you need to make an open slot now. That's true, and you know, 151 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.440 if we can graciously kind of help them understand this, then we should 152 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.919 do that. But the tendency can be especially from our perspective and it is 153 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:48.320 a nine one one emergency situation. Um, we still got to come with 154 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.919 some grace, we still gotta come with some humility, we still got to 155 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.879 come with some understanding that they don't grasp that if they're not willing to open 156 00:11:54.919 --> 00:12:01.399 that Um open up their appointments, but we can't just writes them off immediately. 157 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:03.080 That's the tendency. We want to just write them off and we're not 158 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:09.320 sending anybody to them again. That is calls for a conversation, sit down 159 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.360 with them, help them to understand. Um, as important as going to 160 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.879 the pregnancy center is and get any ultrasound is getting them away from the abortion 161 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.879 center. Still. Yet we have to understand that even if we get them 162 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.879 there, there's no guarantee that that mom is gonna stay, stay with that 163 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.159 choice for life. Right. So we kind of think if the pregnancy center 164 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.879 doesn't open up a slot for her, then they're responsible for the death of 165 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:37.440 that child. Not necessarily right. And so anyway, all I'm trying to 166 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.960 say is they're not always gonna see things like you do. Many do, 167 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:45.519 but but many don't. We just have to believe the best. We have 168 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.759 to come with an attitude of humility and do everything we can. As Paul 169 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.320 says, and as much as it depends on you live at peace with all 170 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:58.279 men. Yeah, and so having that initial conversation, if you can, 171 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.080 with them saying this, when I when I say this, I'm in front 172 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.480 of the abortion center. That's my code for this is a mom who really 173 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.600 is in a life or death situation, and when I've discussed that with at 174 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:16.440 least the pregnancy be centers around us, they will almost always work around they're 175 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.240 very busy schedule so that they can see that woman immediately, because they know 176 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.799 that's what I've just told them, that this woman is seeing that baby is 177 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:30.879 is critical. Yeah, and that comes really in relationship. Right. We've 178 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.600 got to build a relationship with them as much as we can beforehand, because 179 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.120 just some random stranger calling nobub on the phone and saying, you know, 180 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:41.080 I'm here in front of the abortion center and I have a woman who's considering 181 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.919 abortion I want to send to you, you know, it can be a 182 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:48.000 little off putting or it can be a little bit of like okay, well, 183 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.799 who are you? If you can build a relationship beforehand, and thank 184 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.919 God, like many of our teams across the nation have done this, and 185 00:13:54.960 --> 00:14:00.360 this is this is probably, along with relationships with local churches, this is 186 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.519 probably the most important relationship you can build in a city, is the relationship 187 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.679 with the pregnancy center. And so yeah, again, if you have a 188 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.720 pro relationship, you can get on the phone they know who you are and 189 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.960 they trust you. It really has to do with trust, right. They 190 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.000 trust that what you're saying is accurate, that it really is an emergency and 191 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.080 they do need to clear out a slot to get that woman in there and 192 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.679 get an ultrasound. Sure. So go visit ahead of time, and most 193 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:28.080 of our missionaries, I think, have done that. They will find the 194 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.759 local pregnancy centers nearby, they will go visit, they will tour, they 195 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.639 will oo and ah over the amazing things that these pregnancy resource centers are doing. 196 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.720 And one of the things we do, because we work so closely with 197 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:45.879 one in particular, that I think smooths a lot of um issues before they 198 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:50.559 ever begin, is, from the get go, delineate your roles. Um. 199 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.840 For example, when we come on the mobile ultrasound unit which the pregnancy 200 00:14:54.960 --> 00:15:00.559 center, the Monroe help pregnancy center, sends to the sidewalk, our role 201 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:05.679 is to go over the obstacles that that woman faces, Um, to let 202 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.879 her know that there will be resources that can help her, to tell her 203 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:15.960 that there will be a mentorship program that we will talk about later, Um 204 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:22.200 and UH. And then the the ultrasound person, will take over with all 205 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.120 the medical stuff. And we it's very clear we are not to step on 206 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.679 those toes. Were not medically trained. That is not our role. That's 207 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:35.440 the role of the sonographer or the nurse. So Um. And then after 208 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.919 they see their baby, another role that we take over is sharing the Gospel, 209 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.240 and this has worked really well. Before those roles were really clear, 210 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.600 we would tend to go on that RV for just too long. Too Long 211 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:56.279 MOMS were worn out, we were worn out. So having having the roles 212 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.840 clear is really important. Yeah, yeah, I would say to an important 213 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:07.720 part of this is Um respecting the boundaries that they put forth against some pregnancy 214 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.120 centers. Um are more open than others in the sense that there so there's 215 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.720 a pregnancy center in UH California and Riverside California, and you actually have this 216 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:21.559 mentioned in the article that they said specifically when love life hit the sidewalks in 217 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.919 Riverside that they saw up to a nine increase in women coming into their doors. 218 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.039 It's amazing. And that pregnancy center actually, when the counselor brings the 219 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:36.039 MOM from Plant parenthood over to the pregnancy center, they allow the counselor to 220 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:38.360 come in to be in the counseling room they even allow the counselor to come 221 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:42.960 in to be in the ultrasound room. That is a pretty rare situation and 222 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:48.080 we have that same relationship with the mobile ultrasound unit from help pregnancy center. 223 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.679 That's not common, though, and so if they tell you you can't come 224 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.639 in, don't be offended. If they say, well, this is this 225 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:59.240 is kind of where your job ends and our job begins. Don't be offended 226 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:03.840 by that. Honor the boundaries that they set forth. After all, they're 227 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.720 the ones that own the building or the mobile unit, they own the ultrasound 228 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:15.279 they trained and um either you know hired the nurse or that nurses of volunteers. 229 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:18.480 Either way, they've put the resources into that and as much as we 230 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:22.079 might not like the boundaries that they set, we have to honor them. 231 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.960 And who knows, as you build relationship and gain trust, they'll maybe be 232 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.920 more open. But you still have to honor what they say and just don't 233 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.079 be offended by it because, after all, that's their ministry and they have 234 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.880 to stand before the Lord for what they do with what he's given them. 235 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.559 Right. One of the things as a new counselor that upset me is I 236 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.960 would get the mom to the pregnancy resource center and they wouldn't tell us if 237 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:51.359 the mom chose life and I remember feeling, I guess, offended. Uh, 238 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.880 that, you know I did. They would have had this mom if 239 00:17:53.920 --> 00:18:00.200 if our counselors had not been out there and it it's so encouraging to know 240 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.279 if the mom chose life or not. And they would not share that and 241 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.599 they can't. So you know, some are more careful about that than others. 242 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:12.319 But Um, the hippo laws do prevent them from sharing details of that 243 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:17.079 particular mom. So we we need to know that that is that is going 244 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:21.519 to be the case. If you go on the mobile ultrasound unit, if 245 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:26.440 they or or into the back room at a PRC, you are also bound 246 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.960 by those hippo laws for privacy. So you may be able to say things 247 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:34.400 very generally so that no one could identify that woman, but you have to 248 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:44.000 be so careful about the hippo laws guarding that Woman's privacy. So, UM, 249 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.200 one of the issues that has come up recently a couple of times some 250 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.599 of our missionaries have said, well, what if the mom says yes, 251 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:56.440 I will go on, Um, the free ultrasound at the pregnancy resource center, 252 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.920 but I don't have a car, I don't have a ride. I'd 253 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.759 of money for an Uber and they have, our missionaries have said, well, 254 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.559 what do we do? Yeah, what? What's our policy? Yeah, 255 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.279 well, I mean we talked about this a little bit and we don't 256 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:15.119 have any official policy. Maybe some guidelines, some things that are helpful. 257 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.920 I mean, I know our team in New York City. So New York 258 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:23.200 City is definitely, Um, a different animal altogether. It seems that most 259 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:26.519 of the women come from the subway walking to the abortion center where our team 260 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.599 there reaches out, and there have been situations where, you know, they're 261 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.440 offering them a free ultrasound from a place down the road. I think it's 262 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:37.759 twenty uh minutes are so away. It's a pregnancy center that offers free ultrasounds 263 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:41.519 and, Um, they've actually been prone to ask the woman, Hey, 264 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.400 would you be willing to get in the vehicle with us? It's it's ladies 265 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.400 that are doing this and I think it's good, if you're going to do 266 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:51.880 that, to do it too by two, just so there's accountability there and 267 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:56.920 there's no there's no opportunity for the enemy to falsely accused or anything like that. 268 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:00.599 And so they've gotten women to get in their car and they drive them 269 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:04.200 to the pregnancy center, they drive them home after that. There have been 270 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:08.279 other situations and know the suggestion that we've given to people is maybe calling Uber 271 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:14.440 and helpful thing maybe to have if that's your situation, if the pregnancy center 272 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.720 is a good ways away or whatever. A suggestion would be. Um Uber 273 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.559 has gift cards that you can get, I believe, and uh, you 274 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.319 can get maybe some Uber Gift Cards, figure out how much it costs during 275 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:30.240 that time of day to get an Uber from the abortion center to the pregnancy 276 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.079 center and maybe you could probably find a local church or some volunteers, or 277 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:38.519 not some volunteers, some donors that would be willing to buy twenty five dollar 278 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.680 Uber cards or something. You can handle that mom or just however. But 279 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:45.519 those are just some ways that you can navigate through that. I'm sure you've 280 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.039 got some other suggestions, things you want to mention, Vicky, right. 281 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.319 Well, I I just wanted those are the two main ways really, because 282 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:57.240 you really, if possible, you're taking a risk that they're gonna just turn 283 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:00.359 right, right around and come back to the abortion and center. Um, 284 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:04.440 if unless you take them too in some way or get them to the pregnancy 285 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:08.279 resource center. They may decide it's not worth it. So I point out 286 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.599 that in the article we wrote about this. There are risks. There are 287 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:15.880 definitely risks involved if you're going to drive the mom, but when it's a 288 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:22.759 life or death decision, most of the time I have chosen to drive the 289 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:30.079 mom to the pregnancy resource center and I remember at several times when I've been 290 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.319 able to share the Gospel. Because the drive is long enough. The mom 291 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:40.640 submits her life to the Lord on that drive and just the likelihood of her 292 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:45.599 staying firm in the choice for life is greater. So there are some really 293 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:51.799 valuable things that can happen if if you drive her uh at, which isn't 294 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:55.319 gonna Happen if you call an Uber. But either way about it, you 295 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:59.839 are showing that you care, that you are you are you. It's worth 296 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.200 it to you to do whatever it takes to get her to a place where 297 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.839 she can see her baby. Yeah, another alternative too is, and I 298 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:11.400 don't think we have this in the article, but Um like one of the 299 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.480 things we have at the windover abortion center here in Charlotte. We have oftentimes 300 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:19.079 at Latrobe, the mobile ultrasound unit, but we don't have that at windover. 301 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:22.720 There's there's really not a place to park it there and we only have 302 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.359 only one mobile unit that actually can can be up there at this point. 303 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:32.759 But the windover clinic is probably five minutes or less away from latrobe. So 304 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:34.960 we're not sending women to the Trobe Abortion Center, but we're sending them to 305 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.559 the mobile ultrasound unit. And so Elijah, who's reaching out there, has 306 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:42.920 a card with directions to the mobile ultrasound unit's got a picture of the mobile 307 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:47.400 ultrasound unit. It's got directions. I believe maybe a map drawn, but 308 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:49.640 at least turned by turn directions and English on one side and Spanish on the 309 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.920 other. So that's another alternative. If you have some cards that are made 310 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.880 up that have directions to the local pregnancy center, you can hand those too 311 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.759 the woman. Of course, if they're driving Um, you know they have 312 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.240 their own vehicle. I think it is helpful if you can do this and 313 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.359 if you have the manpower to do it, if you've got enough people on 314 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:11.400 the sidewalk to have one of the ladies on the sidewalk say we'll follow me 315 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.079 there if you can get them to follow you. Again, if, if 316 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.279 you only have two people on the sidewalk, you don't want to do that, 317 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:21.519 or if you have a smaller team, Um, and it would be 318 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:25.160 a disadvantage for you to do that, then it probably would be best just 319 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:27.640 to hand them that card give them directions. I think, though, like 320 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.599 you mentioned before, if you're gonna do that, if you're gonna hand them 321 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:34.720 a card that has directions, or if you're gonna give them directions, get 322 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.680 them to put it in on their phone or whatever. If you can call 323 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:42.079 ahead, though, like you mentioned, it's definitely good to call ahead and 324 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.240 it can kind of keep them, I guess, locked into that appointment. 325 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:48.920 They know that they're expected to be there and so it kind of keeps them 326 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.160 with some vision that, Hey, I'm gonna go to this place and they're 327 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.640 expecting me and they're gonna be ready for me and all that stuff. That 328 00:23:55.640 --> 00:24:00.440 that's helpful to do. Yeah, definitely, people are Um. Are enjoy 329 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:04.079 being scheduled and they tend to want to stay with us something that has been 330 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:08.920 scheduled. So they currently have a schedule to kill their baby and you want 331 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:14.039 to replace that with a schedule to look at their baby and hopefully choose life. 332 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.599 The other thing is because the pregnancy resource center is not going to be 333 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.599 likely to call you and and tell you what happened, for very good reasons, 334 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.640 the confidential reality reasons. So it's important that you get the name and 335 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:32.079 number of that mom so that you can do follow up because again, in 336 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:34.839 those first forty eight hours, even after seeing their baby, they're vulnerable, 337 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:40.200 they're abortion vulnerable and if you can touch base with them, remind them of 338 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.960 the mentorship program, remind them of all the help that is available, send 339 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:49.279 some encouraging Bible verses, it definitely can help solidify that choice for life. 340 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:55.759 And you have their numbers so that you can continue to keep the communication open 341 00:24:55.839 --> 00:25:02.000 between the mom and you and some pregnancy most pregnancy resource centers do have a 342 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:07.200 lot of resources and Um, and it can be a joint Um, you 343 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:11.200 know, effort. These moms are usually in great need and it's not like 344 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.640 we're going to provide all the needs and it'll be just hunky dory. We 345 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:22.720 usually it takes a village a lot of people helping these MOMS. So Um. 346 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:25.440 So it's it's important to do that follow up. Get, get the 347 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.279 MOM's name and number. Let her know you will be calling her later, 348 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:33.000 you're so excited, and then do it. Then then be sure to follow 349 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.759 up. And kind of the last point. I think we're getting towards the 350 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.720 end of this podcast. Um, I was not so good at this early 351 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:44.680 on, Daniel, you were. And the pregnancy resource center, let me 352 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.039 know. It is. Um, they have donors, they have people that 353 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:55.319 are looking at social media and, while preserving privacy, if you put something 354 00:25:55.400 --> 00:26:02.200 out on social media about what this Um Uh uh, in very general terms, 355 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:08.559 what transpired, give the credit and tag the pregnancy resource center and don't 356 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.720 what I made the mistake of doing, because I do think of them as 357 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:18.039 such an integral partner. I was saying our nurse, our pregnancy resource center. 358 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.079 Well, they're not there. They are definitely a partner, but I 359 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:26.559 wanted to, I I had to learn, be very careful that you give 360 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:30.960 them credit because they deserve credit and Um, and that will help to smooth, 361 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:36.240 I think, that relationship as well. Yeah, so, Um, 362 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:40.000 I don't know if there's any other topics that you want to cover. I 363 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:45.039 would just say again, just reiterate the need to build relationships, to come 364 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.960 with understanding, to realize that their ministry is different than our ministry. Help 365 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:55.119 them to understand that our ministry is different than their ministry then that there is 366 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:59.720 a partnership in a in a way that really, like the Bible talks about, 367 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:03.960 the of Christ can work together, the arms and legs, the fingers, 368 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.960 that toes, the eyes and the nose. And so it's not that 369 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:11.039 the pregnancy centers um are the only game in town or love life is the 370 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:12.559 only game in town or the most important game in town. Right. This 371 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:17.440 is all about bringing glory to the name of Jesus and US working together, 372 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:23.319 and it really is kind of that that three three stranded chord working together right, 373 00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.200 and even, of course, the Lord working through it. But the 374 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:32.440 pregnancy center, love life, the local church and the Lord binds all that 375 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:36.880 together so that this three stranded chord cannot be broken, you know, and 376 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:41.640 it's a really powerful way to show these women that there is a group of 377 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:45.519 people that will come around them, the body of Christ, whether it's a 378 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:49.039 pregnancy center, love life, the church, Maternity Hall, whatever Um, 379 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:53.359 that want to stand with them to see that there there's no good reason to 380 00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:56.519 have an abortion for these women. There's so, so many resources and so 381 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.960 much help available. Yes, and Amen. There is one other point that 382 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.599 is that isn't in this that I just want to bring up quickly. Is 383 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.200 that many, well, I don't know about many, but some pregnancy resource 384 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:12.960 centers do do abortion pill remersal and so knowing if you're if there is one 385 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:18.920 in your area, you can specifically refer them to that pregnancy resource center if 386 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.240 they immediately regret taking the first abortion pill. So it's good to know that. 387 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.759 Absolutely. Yeah. Well with that, I guess we'll wrap this thing 388 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.279 up. We appreciate you guys listening to this podcast episode. We hope it 389 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:36.000 wasn't too annoying if we talked over each other and the recording maybe it was 390 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:40.720 a little, a little off because we're recording remotely, but Um, we 391 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:41.960 hope it was a blessing to you guys. 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Give 401 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:26.200 me our love for love. Give me our life for gratitude. I know 402 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:36.519 it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, and so met you