Will The Supreme Court End Abortion?

0:00 So while abortion is legal in these United States of America and they are still abortion clinics, there's over seven hundred of them in the United States of America currently. We need to be there. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Many have confidence that if we have a conservative Supreme Court and that will overturn ruby wait and thereby ind abortion. But is this true? Join us as we look at this from a biblical and practical perspective. State tuned me, Lord, I felt show Passish, touch your heart, use me. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys listening and we would appreciate if you guys would share these with your friends, maybe even on social media.

0:56 Let folks know that you're listening and what episodes you think would be a blessing to others. Just share those, share those on Facebook, whatever other social media that you're involved in, so that we can get more folks listening. And I think what we're doing is encouraging people, especially those who are involved in frontline pro life ministry. At the abortion center's we want to encourage as many people as possible to get involved to be well equipped out there. We just put a podcast out last week about burnout and how to avoid ministry burnout. I think that podcast will be a real blessing to people, will especially people that have been out there for a while and been doing ministry for a good while, because it's easy to get burned out, right it is. So there's some principles that I think we shared in that podcast. It be a blessing to people who are maybe on the edge of getting burned out or even maybe getting toward crispy. And if you don't know what that is, listen to that podcast. You'll find out about that. But we thought is in kind of a timely way in this episode we would talk about the Supreme Court. Now just will preface this with the fact that we're not legal experts, nor do we play one on TV. Even play one on TV.

2:04 I'm not an expert on the Constitution, although I do love the constitution. It's one of the things that really sets our nation apart. Yeah, to be a constitutional Republican and to be the freest nation that I think has ever existed in humanities. Existence is is it says something. Says something about our constitution but I'm not an expert on the constitution. I know some stuff, but not everything. I'm not an expert on the Supreme Court, nor I'm a even an expert on Rovwade. People come to me. I'm like and in my circles, I guess family and friends and stuff. I'm like the pro life guy, so I should know all of the answers about Rovy Wade and and the laws and all that stuff. I don't. I know some of it, but I'll just let you guys know right off bat that I don't put a whole lot of stock in the political system. I don't put a whole lot a lot of stock in the Supreme Court, but these things are important and with the death of Ruth Bader Ginsberg and the potential nomination of Amy Conny Barrett Ate, listen, you guys are lucky that I even remember those names. Okay, yes, and tell me. I know her name is amy. Yeah, that's about it. So with that going on, I think it's timely for us to talk about this. And really the subject is will the Supreme Court in abortion. There's a lot of talk about overturning movie way there has been for a while as a matter of fact, that's why a lot of people voted for Donald Trump back in two thousand and sixteen, Hey, because they really felt like he would put justice as in place that would overturn rovy wait and he said that. He said that was his intention. Yeah, and so a lot of folks were they didn't like

3:37 his character too much, they voted for him. I was actually one of those people. Yeah, and thinking that it's possible that Rovy Wade could be overturned by some justices that are put in place by him. But it's kind of a like for me. Again, I don't put a whole lot of stock in the political system. I do think that Supreme Court justices have a lot of sway and or at least have a lot to do with our political system, in the way it works. Understand the checks and balances that are there and I think it's important to have conservative judges in place. But just let you guys know, I don't think that abortion is going to be ended by the Supreme Court or by any other entity right, but we're going to talk about that. Yeah, I could be wrong. Yeah, we are.

4:19 And and part of this for me, that prompted me to want to look into this a little bit more. Was One of our counselors saying, so what if Rov Wade is overturned? Yeah, what will the prolife people do then? Yeah, and that that is part of a question that we're going to talk about. Because we have any purpose in life, will we still have any way to serve God right sunborn children? And Short answer, yeah, she will, and and we're going to get into use their lost people in the world. Yeah, there's going to be a need for the Gospel, and this is something that we've said often and that I'll continue to say. We're not out there on the sidewalk is prolife activists. I'm not out there motivated by just a prolife Anster or bend politically or anything like that.

5:13 I'm out there because I'm a Christian right and there are people dying. Yeah, and the Gospel is needed and it's a mission field. I'm out there as a missionary, like we've talked about in previous in a previous podcast and several other podcasts. This is a missionary endeavor and so we're not out there as activists and my main purpose in life is not to be a prolife activists, it's to be a Christian, right, and because I'm a Christian, I'm out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, an important dynamic for people to understand. Right. But Rov Rov Wade is clearly and a very important decision in one thousand nine hundred and seventy three. And and so we kind of went through logically building the the case for explain what is going to happen when if Rov Wade is overturned. And we started off just maybe talk a little bit about the history, okay, of yea, of abortion and of Rov Wade and the that one thousand nine hundred and seventy three decision.

6:08 Yeah. Well, first I'll say this is we first started talking about doing this podcast a couple of weeks ago, doing this episode, and I told you, one of the things that drives me insane is when people, pro life people or whoever talks about pro choice, people talk about when Rov Wade was passed. Right. Yeah, Rov Rovy Wade was not a law. Right, so it can't be passed. Right. So only the legislative branch can actually pass laws. Right, right, that's how the system of government works in the United States of America. Yeah, the Supreme Court doesn't pass laws. Now to say it correctly, is the decision, the Rovy Wade decision was handed down. So this was the decision that the Supreme Court made based on the the whole case of Roe versus Wade. Right. And so if you guys are using that in your vernacular when Rov Wade was passed and we want the law of Rovy Wade to be overturned, it's not a law.

7:00 Yeah, and it wasn't passed. Yeah, it was a decision that was handed down by the Supreme Court. So Handy to say clear on that is a good way. Is that to say it? Okay, okay, Rovy Wade was decided. You could say that. Yeah, yeah, but let's jump into the history of Rov Wade. Some folks may be kind of new to this battle and don't really know a whole lot about it. Maybe you do know a little bit about it and you need to know some more. We'll try to inform you. Again, not as experts, yeah, but as folks that know know something. Yeah, and we've read a few articles about it, right, yeah, yeah, so jump into that. Yeah, okay. So so Roe, Jane Rowe Norman mccorvey, was a young woman who, I believe she lived in Texas at the time. Correct, and she she wanted an abortion, she didn't want her baby, and the the people that were trying to push for abortion rights really used her, yeah, and said, okay, she is the perfect case to for us to work its way up through the courts to try and bring it to the Supreme Court level. Right, let me say this to that some people don't particularly understand, but this needs to be a clear understanding that people have.

8:11 Before Rovy Wade, before one thousand nine hundred and seventy three was January twenty two. One thousand nine hundred and seventy three, abortion was legal in this country. Yeah, there were states where you could go and have an abortion. New York is one of those state. Probably California, I'm not sure. So the aim out all the states, thus the their legislature had had cast laws that allowed women to receive an abortion. Correct, it was the state's decision, it was correct states decision. So I'll just say on its face, if the decision of Rov Wade is is counteracted by some other decision of the Supreme Court, then it will buy default go back to the states. So abortion, and again we'll get more in depth with this, but abortion is not going to be ended by overturning row vy way. It'll just go back to the states. So we have to have that understanding at this particular time. It was not legal to have an abortion in the state of Texas. As a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, it was legal with some of the exceptions like rape and incest and the health of the mother, but those are exceptions. Are always used for fullblown abortion on demand and plus we should never use those exceptions unless we believe a baby that was conceived in rape as less of a human being that a baby that was not we should stay far away from those arguments, and right we. I did an episode months and months and months, okay, maybe even a year ago, with Flip Benham who talked about incrementalism and the danger of incrementary incrementalism and some of the legislation, and he talks about some of that stuff. There's a lot of articles out there about that, so I guess can check that out. But abortion was, at least in some measure, not legal in

9:43 Texas. They took the opportunity with miss row normal mccorvy, with her situation, to basically make abortion legal for all fifty of the United States of America, because it was sudden fair that here she is in Texas and other people in other states where abortion is legal had access to abortion, but she did not. And that was part of their argument, that that it should be universally available. Yeah, national was all said and done, she didn't have an abortion in right now, she didn't see was she was a pawn. And now there's been recently there was a documentary done about her and how she actually was a pawn for the prolife people. Right, unfortunately, she was used by a pawn or as a pawn by the pro choice people and maybe buy some pro life people, although I'll tell you this, I know flip personally. Yeah, and any accusation brought against him as using her as a pawn is just, I mean, it is garbage. Absolutely guardless that that dude is one. He's not a deceiver, let me tell you. He's going to tell you what he thinks, what he what he believes and what he what he knows to be the king of fault to him. All that right, he's not going to be deceiving anybody, right, and it's not like because he was accused of giving her like half a million dollars or something like that. Utterly ridiculn guarantee flip does not have him about his tattered rags that he wears the place often time. rightually, his shoes were duck taped together at one point. Winner so maybe flip will listen to this. Yeah, be blessed, but he's encouraging words. But either way, I'm just saying that's just that's garbage. And what she manipulated? She was certainly manipulated

11:16 by the true pro choice people. That's there's no doubt about that. Well, she manipulated by prolife groups? Possibly? Yeah, I'm not sure. But anyway, that's kind of a rabbit trail. So let's jump into the that's a little bit of the background of Rovu waiting in not in debt and so. But the court held that. Do say this at the court held that a women's right to an abortion was himplicit in the right to privacy protected by the Fourteenth Amendment and the Constitution. That's how it is. ACISION was made that you had a woman had an implicit right to privacy through the fourteen amendment and abortion fell somehow into that. Yeah, right to privacy and we're going to kind of dismantle why that really is not an appropriate decision, not based on our great knowledge, but based on articles we read. Ye, though, even that one I could probably maybe have. Yeah, I've dealt with so let's jump into the subject of will there not rovy wait is constitution.

12:09 Okay, now you've read a little bit on that and so just kind of give me your Spiel, right, right. Yeah, so I read an article and, by the way, we can probably post this. I have. I have put together many, many articles into a single paper where we go through the things that we're going to be discussing today and we give every reference, because there's too many of them for me to give you over the podcast. But one of the articles which did talk about whether Rovy Wade was constitutional, and you can find that Lincoln. When we post this podcast, we will also post to this article. But it listed the top ten reasons why it was not constitutional, and we're not going to go through all ten, but but maybe the top three or four of them. So one of them was the court's decision and Rovy Wade exceeded its constitutional authority, and you've already touched on this. It is the Supreme Court, a legislate of branch of government. No, no, so. And yet the law of nationally could not be passed to allow abortions in every state. They were unsuccessful the abortion rights people. So what happened instead was they push this case up through the Supreme Court to have the Supreme Court basically change United States law, or make really not change may there wasn't a law, so to make what

13:43 became, quote, the law of the land. Yeah, and basically they used again the fourteenth amendment right to say, well, this fits into the category of a woman's right to privacy right and and one of the quotes that I have from this first point that it was unconstitutional. I'm just going to read what it says because they say it better than I could. Under the legal system established by the US Constitution, the power to make laws is vested in Congress and retained by state legislatures. It is not the role of the Supreme Court to substitute the policy preference of its members for those expressed in laws enacted by the People's electric elected representatives. The role of the judiciary and constitutional review is to determine if the law being challenged infringes on a constitutionally protected right, and that's not what happened. And ropey Wade. Okay. So this second main point for why Rov Wade is not constitutional, they said, was that the court misrepresents the history of abortion practice and attitudes toward abortion. Okay.

14:54 So in row vy wade the court s said that there was, in their opinion, there was a long historical practice of the right to an abortion. Okay, that was part of their premise in in upholding or in the decision, and that it was widely practiced and unpunished until the appearance of restrictive laws in what they describe as the brutishly Victorian nineteen century. Okay, but in fact the hippocratic oath which every doctor takes said and had all the way through one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight, says. His fame is that famous oath which has guided medical ethics for over twozero years. Says in part, and this is a quote, I will give no deadly medicine to anyone if asked, nor suggest any such council. And in like manner, I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. So something that's going to was her to yeah, to abort her child, and that enduring standard was followed until the rovy way waited era and through one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight. And in fact it the declaration of the World Medical Association said, I will maintain they had the doctors continue the oath. I will

16:27 maintain the utmost respect for human life from the time of conception. Yeah. So in that it's saying things, every of them looking back and saying there's been like historical precedent. And so all we're doing with our decision is saying what history is already said, that women do have a right to an abortion. It's a common thing and it's not been punish under all that was all just a farce. It was not true. Right, it was not true. And and Justice Black Man, who was, I believe, the justice who wrote the the opinion and Rov wait, dismisses this universal, unbroken ethical tradition as nothing more than a fringe Greek sect manifesto. So we would we would disagree that the court accurately represented the history of abortion practice. Yeah, and and attitudes. Yeah, all right. So the third one. The court distorts the purpose and legal weight of State Criminal abortioned statutes. And so let me read what they wrote because again and they I am not a scholar, a constitutional scholar, but the person writing this was. Okay, in the nineteen century and virtually every state and territory, laws were enacted to define abortion as a crime throughout pregnancy. They contained only narrow exceptions, generally permitting abortion only if necessary to preserve the mother's life. And the primary reason for

18:03 those stricter abortion laws was to protect greater protection for the unborn baby. So the court distorted that truth, that the laws up to that point we're not supporting a woman's right to abortion and in fact the very opposite was true. They were generally supporting and overwhelmingly supporting protecting that unborn life. Okay, so what's being said here is the consideration for these laws was for the unborn child and basically reiterating with the Bible has always said that life is precious, invaluable, even in the womb. Right, that's right. And up to up till this point in our country's history, the unborn child was seen as valuable, his life sacred, yeah, and protected and should be protected, and there was broad acceptance of that prior to the Rovy Wade are yeah, okay, so okay. How about this one? This was another major one, a privacy right, which was, of course, the fourteenth amendment. A privacy right to decide to have an abortion has no foundation in the text or history of the Constitution. So the court did not even be pretend that they were examining whether the intent of the drafters of the fourteen amendment ever intended something like abortion to to be included in a privacy amendment or in a privacy yet.

19:40 And a privacy amendment it was. The fourteenth amendment was not intended to create any new rights, such as a right to abortion, but it was to it was actually to secure to all people, notably freed slaves and their descendants, the rights and liberties that had already been granted by the Constitution. So was never to make a new right, as did happen. That was what it was used for. In deciding on Rovy way, the way that it was decide, grievous way to use the fourteenth amendment, when it was intended to help these freed slaves and their descendants, and yet they turn it around and make it into a woman's right to abort her child. Would a grievous way to turn things on their head. Yeah, so this is really interesting and I'm going to read what they say. The court mentioned so of All specifically enumerated rights which concern an aspect of privacy. For example, the fourth amendments with this is, quote, right of the people to be secure in their houses, papers and effects, again against unreasonable searches and seizures.

20:45 But the court fails to connect those to the newly found right to abortion, because no logical connection exists. And so this privacy right had been expanded to encompass so many aspects of life that you could apply this to virtually any conduct performed outside of the public view, including child abuse, pornography. Now, that is not what it was expanded to. But why not? Right, because the logical conclusion from that exactly. People can shoot up drugs in their home, whatever pause. That right and always as long as you're doing it in private, abuse each other, abuse children, sexual traffic children in your home because of the right to privacy. Yeah, so, basically the point is that's a ridiculous application of the fourteenth amendment. Right. Yeah, okay, the next one, although it reads the fourteen amendment extremely expansively, to include a right of privacy to decide whether to abort a child. The CORDIN rovy way to adopts a very narrow construction of the meaning of persons and specifically the excludes unborn children. Yeah, so on one hand they're expansively expand while they're expanding what the fourteenth amendment never meant to protect, but they're narrowing what the word persons includes so that unborn children are not included in the weird persons

22:18 in so I'll say just just a springboard on that and to speak from it from a biblical perspective good and which is one of the reasons why. So I don't want anyone to take from this podcast that we don't think that rovywage should be returned. It should be that decision should be should be rejected. Right. The reason why is not because it will end abortion. The reason why because, as a nation, that would be part and parcel to repenting. Yes, because what we did as a nation and the people that we put in positions of power, especially the Supreme Court, well, what they did was they slapped God in the face. Yeah, they told their creator, we don't need you, we don't want you. On our land.

23:02 Yeah, and all, after all, human beings don't have intrinsic value, right, and it's really an offense to God, which is why this thing needs to this decision needs to be rejected. One Organization Calls Rovy way not the law of the land, the lie of the land. Yeah, and it really is. Yeah, and so as a nation, this is part of repentance. We need to repent that we have excluded, as you just said, out in from this article. They excluded unborn children from the category of persons. We need right pant for that as a nation, right, and part of that would be overturning of rovy way. Yeah, but again, as we're going to talk about in just a little bit, I don't believe overturning Rovy Wade is going to end abortion, right, and we'll talk about what will at the very end. So there's a whole bunch of other main points that they make, but they they do ignore by, just to add a little bit more to the last one we just mentioned, they ignore the clear and uncontested biological evidence before them that individual human lives Beakin at conception.

24:07 We really do not need to resolve that difficult question of when life begins, though, honestly, because this question is determined by science. We know that now and they knew that then. But, like you said, it's kind of a direct rejection of God, so that it's kind of a quote from the court itself. We don't need to resolve this difficult question of when life begins. I think it was. Yeah, I think I think it was. So they're basically saying in that that yeah, it could be, could not be. Could be life, could not be, life, the matter. They side step it. It doesn't matter. They said step it, you know. Yeah, the one analogy that's given, and I forget it, was it was a surprise life apologetics guy, maybe Scott clues indoor for something he says, you know, if there's a building and they're about to demolish the building and you ask the guy who's about to push the button, hey, is there any life in there? And Wow, we didn't check, we don't know. We don't have really have to resolve this question.

25:03 Well, you'd need to resolve that question before you push the button and detonate, you know, the the the bomb that's going to take that building down. We need to if we're talking this is human life and the potential for human life and this is possibly a human life. We need to be careful, right, don't you think? Exactly. No, let's just haphazardly decide that. Yeah, personhood doesn't include unborn yeah. And and they're saying that's a question to be decided by science, philosopher's theologians, and they don't answer it. But then, but then they resolve the question at birth by allowing abortion to be legal throughout pregnancy. That they referred to the unborn child as a potential life. Yeah, and so on one hand they're saying, Oh, we don't know when life begins and that's not up to us and side stepping the question, and on the other hand they're saying it's not life, it's potential, like yeah, so they're kind of talking out of both sides of their mouth there. And then, you know, scientifically, come on, scientifically, an unborn child and embryo is, I go, a fetus, whatever label you want to put on an unborn child, it is a separate entity than the mother. It is an organism by definition, if it is a separate organism than the mother, right, and that's just undisputable.

26:18 Yeah, now you can talk about philosophically whether or not that life has value, and that's not what this podcast us is about, although maybe we'll do one in the future about that. Yeah, you can maybe talk philosophically about it, but science, scientifically, there is life in the womb and it's a separate life, it's a unique life. Then the mother, and so that question is well resolved for sure. And the whole idea of viability was part of that decision, of the Rov Wade decision and not knowing really when the child was viable, but thinking it was much, much later. Yeah, that and it really was. I mean whether the child could survive with medical intervention was much later back then. But now we have ultrasounds.

27:02 We didn't have in fact, let me, let me mention talking about that. We the ultrasound. I was actually training a doctor today, okay, and as a subposition to become a sidewalk counselor really, really great woman. And she said, and she's around my age so she said, when she was starting her her studies, her medical study, she said they're there were an ultrasounds, or if they were, they were so rudimentary. And she said we, we believed, we doctors believed it really was a clump of cells. That's how she was trained. She bought the whole Rov Wade Movement and the and the socalled pro choice movement because she believed that lie, that it was only a clump of cells and that's what medical science kind of was showing at the time. But we know for a fact that just it was so inaccurate and we have proof now. We can look at ultra sounds.

27:56 We can see it's not a clump of sound. Absolutely. We've seen plenty of ultrasounds. You can see an ultrasound at six seven weeks along. Now, six weeks baby's very small. Basically what you can pick up is the heartbeat, but you can see that very clearly. Nine weeks. I remember seeing what my wife was pregnant with our twins, Abigail and Bethany. She showed me the first ultrasound. I wasn't there. Actually it was kind of I won't get into that story, but it was kind of unique story. We knew she was pregnant. She worked at a hospital at the time, so she slipped over because she knew the lady that worked in the ultrasound area and she's got to see really quick peek at our baby and little as she know, we actually had two. That was a pretty amazing story and anyway, Long Story Short, she had a video of it, seeing those two babies on that ultrasounde. I've never seen twin. I've seen a couple of ultrasounds at that point, but I've never seen too. Yeah, babies in the woman. I remember seeing their little arms moving back and forth. I remember seeing their little hearts beating, you know, separate heartbeats and all of that. I share all that to say that at nine weeks along, I'm a dude that doesn't have medical expertise and I can com plainly see on that ultrasound right, those were two separate lives, right, and those were human being. Yeah, and you know what I hear all the time from our opposition out on the sidewalk when I'll describe what I've seen on the many I've seen hundreds of ultrasounds now now I'm out I've been out there a long time, and they say we're making it up and that this is all a lie.

29:29 And that is the attempt, as what happened in Rovy Wade, to dehumanize that precious little baby, because otherwise it's monstrous. It's monstrous with their suggesting should be a right. Yeah, which mean is monstrous. It is monstrous. And that brings to the last one. That of these that we're going to discuss about is a constitution. The court describes the right to abortion as fundamental yeah, and so the Supreme Court has found that there are certain fundamental rights which are either explicitly expressed or implied in the constitution. They're considered deeply rooted in the history of the American people and some of those rights fundamental rights. So listen to this. Okay, free exercise of religion, the right to marry, the right to a fair trial and equal protection. Yeah, and every fundamental right comes under a there's a strict scrutiny. Listen to the those that list of fundamental rights. And now add to that list the right to kill an unborn child. Yeah, this is a fundamental right.

30:41 Is All of the fundamental rights? God, right. All the fundamental rights listed were positives, things that every one should equally enjoy, that there should be justice for all, the law equally applied. So let's talk a little real quick about the results of Rov Wade. Many of you guys knows. Yeah, that's good. You guys know that since one thousand nine hundred and seventy three we've killed, it's been about sixty five million unborn children in the womb forty seven years. About sixty five million in our country, here in the United States of American, our country. And again, that grieves the heart of the Lord. Yeah, these children are made in God's image and it's not that. We've killed these sixty five million and and that's all there is to it. As a nation, we've put our stamp of approval on that. We've liked this language that we talked about, called it a fundamental right of a person to kill their unborn child. We've rejected the humanity.

31:41 We did that in the dread Scott decision in the Supreme Court. We did that as it concerns Africans who were brought over here in others who were brought over here and sold, bought and sold as slaves. We rejected their humanity and that grieve the heart of God. And it's just my theory. You guys can argue with me if you want to, but I believe the civil war was God's judgment on this nation for what we did through slavery here in America. It was ultimately rectified in one sense through that bloody civil war, but that was the judgment of God on this nation for what we did, and we should expect no less unless God would be merciful, and he's merciful and he's kind. In the church. We need to be crying out to God for mercy for our nation. But when we've killed sixty five million of our own unborn children in the womb. Yeah, that is a grievous effect of this rovwight. Again, it was something that we put from the highest level of government, our stamp of approve alonge. Yeah, and God's not okay with that now. He's a god of Justice and he cannot turn a blind eye to what has happened. A million a year is yeah, baby's are killed, correct. Yeah, million, million here. Yeah, I mean I state, United States, American. Those are ones that are accounted for. Right. There are some states that don't keep very good accounts of how many abortions are taking place, and so sixty five millions maybe the best estimate that's out there. Yeah, but it's likely more than that. And then worldwide through abortion and me we're talking probably what billions of people that have been murdered. Yeah, by abortion. Yes, one thing, one of

33:13 the things that we say within love life is that this is the number one cause of death in the United States. It's not heart disease, it's not cancer, as grievous as those things are and as many lives as they take, which is terrible, but abortion far exceeds the numbers the cancer and heart disease and any other ailment that takes people's lives. Abortion supersedes all of them. It is the number one leading cause of death in our city, in our state, in the United States of America and in the world. Yeah, and that's just the unborn babies. That's not to talk about the carnage that it causes in the families and the women themselves, which is overwhelming.

33:57 Yeah, and the the aftermath, the effects, the terrible effects, and at the destruction of the family. Yeah, absolutely. So. Yeah, there's a terrible legacy from from rov waite. It has had some pretty devastating results. Yeah. Well, let's let's go ahead and jump into what if this new justice, yeah, is confirmed? Yeah, what if the legislative body, like is designed in the constitution, approves this, confirms this justice, just as Amy Coney Barrett. Yeah, and she sits on the Supreme Court. Yeah. Yeah, will Rov Wade be overturned? Yeah, so trump, in two thousand and sixteen said it was part of his platform that he was definitely going to be one of his goals was to overturn Rovy Wade, okay, and he vowed to appoint justices who would overturn Rovy Wade.

34:47 He said he hoped that that would happen automatically because he was going to put pro life justices on the court. And then he even said, which you've already said, because you're more of a scholar, constitutional scholar, than me, that it will go back to the states. Yeah, that the states would then make the determination. So, Amy Coney Bear, am I saying her name right? Jamie Coney Barrett has spoken openly about her Catholic faith. She was asked, as many circuit court judges were asked, what they felt about what their personal views on Rov Wade was or were, and she said that all nominees are united in their belief that what they think about a precedent should not bear on how they decide cases. So what that means is that the precedent is set by Rov Wade that abortion is allowed in in our nation.

35:49 And and the the court upheld that precedent in another, another case. I forget when that happened, but it's the case where case Casey is the name of that case. Okay. And and so there's at least two precedents. And here whod versus Casey correct and herrect in one thousand nine hundred and ninety two correct. So can can the precedent be be overturned and and it? Or can can the court go against a a precedent? And and we're going to talk about that a little bit more thoroughly in in just a second. But if Barrett is confirmed, which it looks like she probably will be, okay, probably before the election even, and the court indeed overturns the precedent of Rovy Wade, and then the case the plan parenthood versus Casey, the issue would be left to the states, which would set up, of course, intense fights in state legislators and legal observers said, leading to an even more patchwork system. This is the a pro choice person right is, by the way, where abortion rights hinche almost entirely on where a person lives.

37:01 Yeah, so I if she's confirmed, there is going to be a majority of conservative justices who have already indicated they would be eager to get an abortion case up all the way through to the Supreme Court and that they they certainly believe that precedent can be challenged. Yeah, in in the Supreme Court. In lower courts, no, but in the Supreme Court it can be, and that's how bad laws get changed. Yeah, absolutely, and that's the wrong one of the things that the Supreme Court does, yeah, is challenge precedent that is set by these district courts or whatever. Right, right, hey, come up to them through these different areas. So I didn't know a lot about this as as I'm learning more about it. But but so, what about precedents in challenging Rov Wade and and most people like I believed that decisions of the Supreme Court could, could not be reverse? But they are. They're often reversed. Look at slave very yeah, and and the ights of of African Americans. Now. So it's the it's actually just like you said, it's the courts duty, yeah, to reverse wrongfull prior decisions. Yeah, yeah, it's not the courts duty to make new law, but it is their decision to look at what is the law of the land. Yeah, and if it's raw or or past decisions, and if

38:32 they're wrong, they decided to correct that. Yeah. No, one of the things that has to be considered. When commentator, political pundent guy said, when you're talking about and this is in no way a plug for Donald Trump, and in no way am I saying you don't know God if you don't vote for him, but what I am saying is when you vote for a president, we have to think of it in terms of your voting for a worldview. Right, when you're voting, if you vote for Donald Trump, you're voting for a worldview, whether you like it or not. You are, if you vote for Joe Biden. You might like the guy, you might not, but in reality you're voting for a worldview and it what comes with that, which is the way the constitution was designed, is when you're voting for trump's worldview, he's going to nominate judges that are in line with that worldview. Now you again. We can debate whether or not trump has changed his worldview over the years. He used to be a pro abortion Democrat for a long time, and I think that's undisputable. But it does seem that at least maybe it's the pender de voters. Probably is that.

39:37 He's maybe a part, but he certainly is the pro most pro life president we've ever had in his that his actions have children, that he is supportive of the pro life agenda. Yeah, and so he certainly has been more vocal and more willing to nominate justice has that would be in line with the stance that would protect unborn children. And I say all that to say when you vote for someone like Donald Trump, someone who would elect or not elect but would nominate justice, is your vote for a worldview. And these justices are lifetime appointees. Once they're there, there there for lifetime. So you're looking at if you're voting for a guy who's going to elect or nominate conservative justice, is you're voting for somebody. It's going to put people that are going to be in that position of power and holding that Conservative, conservative stance for a long time. Right, right, that's that's a good thing.

40:29 YEA, as we need some kind of I mean, listen, that the whole Congress could could shift, yeah, to be a bunch of leftist socialist. The executive branch could be given over to leftist socialist but if we've got a supreme court, that's going to hold back the tide of that garbage and that's at least going to keep us for a little while as a nation from becoming fullblown communist Socialist, communist Socialist Nation. And truly that's the beauty and the genius of what our forefathers did and how they set up, I. The way our country would be run in the branches of government to be checks and balances on each other. So okay. So if overturned, then is abortion abolished? I just want to say I just heard in a podcast, or maybe it was on the news, Biden said that if that happened he would bring a bill to Congress to legalize abortion national so he's talking about yeah, federal turned. He's already he's ready to pass federal law. That will that will be what Roady Wade was as the Supreme Court decision. He would turn it into federal law. That's it. That he has said he would do that. So it's over too. What happened? I mean I think I answered that question that the very beginning. WILL ABORTION BE ABOLISHED? If rovy Wade is overturned. NOPE, yeah, it'll go back to the states, and there's till there be states. Yeah, that well, you're about to talk about that. Weell be states that banned abortion. Would you say?

42:00 Yeah, when he numbers two thousand and twenty two are likely to be an abortion. Yeah, you guys probably know what some of those states are. Probably listen to my I think South Carolina would be one, Georgia would likely be one, Alabama would be one of a lot of these states. Like Kentucky, they only have one abortion clinic. I think maybe that now they have to. But Mississippi that has one abortion clinic. Yeah, those that would likely be the case. But abortion still would not be abolished completely in the United States of American and you can believe for sure that there's going to be some venomous fights even in these states that would abolish abortion. In who knows that acled you, the American Communist Lawyers Union will get in there and do their thing. It's going to be a vicious fight, no doubt about it. But I do think this. We do need to overturn this thing. Rovywade needs to be rejected as the lie of the land, because that's what it is and it's again mostly to show the Lord that we're repenting and then these things could be mitigated in the states. But I'll say this.

42:59 I'll go as far to say, and this is a point in which our pro abortion opposition, folks that even online or out there on the sidewalk or whatever, that say, well, you know, if you abolish abortion, people are still going to have abortions. Yeah, I know that we do. People are still going to sin it. I always will respond with well, we abolish slavery and people still own slaves. We had just a few podcasts go we had the brother from justice ministries talking about basically slavery. Right, sex trafficking and human trafficking is slavery. It's what it is. It's buying and selling humans as property. Yeah, people still do that. Need's illegal. People are going to have illegal abortions. That's true. Abortion ultimately is not going to be completely abolished until the Lord Jesus comes through the clouds and establishes his kingdom on the Earth. Right, that's the only time in which abortion will be abolished. However, we as a we as human beings, but especially we as Christians, have a duty to uphold God's law and bring man's law to line up with God's law. There's this mentality that somehow God's law needs to be lowered and brought down to equal our standards.

44:07 Know what's intended it, even with our Constitution. I'm not saying all of our founding fathers were godly people. There were some, certainly some ungodly people that, but they did recognize that God's law should be the highest law, and God's Law is simple. Exodus, Chapter Twenty. You guys can read it. You should memorize the ten commandments there. Next it is chapter twenty. The commandment number six is you shall not murder. Yeah, and that's what abortion is. It's murder. So our law needs to come up to where God's law is. Rather than justifying the murder of unborn children, we need to agree with God and say it's wrong and, as a nation, will repenting of it. That's right. Turning away from yeah, and again, as Christians it is our duty to bring the Gospel to those who in need. Women go into abortion clinics because they don't know the Lord. We need to bring the Gospel to them. So, while abortion is legal in these United States of America and they are still abortion clinics. There's over seven hundred of them in the United States of America currently. We need to be there. We need to be there pleading on behalf of those unborn children, giving them a voice. Yeah, and, in one sense, reinstating their humanity, though society has said they're not human beings, they're not precious, they don't have value. We need to be speaking the truth of God, in opposition to the lies of the world, in the enemy that these human beings, these babies, do have value and that they do deserve to be protect it. And we do that. You and I and others do that right there on the front line. There's other ways to do it, certainly in conversations with people online, which it would be coming from the pulpit more

45:40 often, I think, coming not all. That's, I think, a huge, huge, huge issue. Absolutely, and so this is this is our duty as Christians. Yeah, the the bodies of government have their job. Yeah, and the Bible tells us God has established these bodies of government, whether you like it or not. Yeah, this is God ordained what we have in the United States, and the men will always pervert and twist let the let the bodies of government do what they do. Elect people who are going to be in line with your values. Again, those world views your work. You're electing a worldview, not just a person. Right, but it cannot stop there. If it stops it, you just check in a box. If it stops it, you just go into the ballad box.

46:24 Yeah, then that's not you doing your Christian Dude. Your Christian duty is proverbs thirty one, verses eight nine, open your mouth for the speechless, or Jesus Command, Love God and love your neighbor. Right, we're supposed to do that. That's that's our duty. So I'm going to just wrap this thing up with a few scriptures. Okay, because we can go on and on about stuff we don't know anything about, right, like judicial the judicial system. Maybe we've helped you guys a little bit. But we're going to put this article out. This is basically a compilation of other articles, right, it is. It's not something I've really written. I've I've copied and pasted all of these major areas and given the references so people can do further study on the ground. So we'll copy paste, sure, copy and paste this into a word press blog for our right, for our website, sidewalks for lifecom, and you guys can check it out and they'll be links there to the the whole articles that you draw from. Right. But in wrapping this thing up, let's look at a few scriptures, okay, and Psalm one hundred and eighteen, verse eight, is one that you have written down here within this this kind of sniplet article here. Okay, so I want to read that because, guys, we have to understand what are, what our angle should be as believers. Right, who should we put our trust in? That we put our trust in man. Yeah, do we put our trust in the judicial branch, in Amy Coney Barrett or Donald Trump? Wow, we're going to be right pretty dissatisfied if we do that.

47:51 Right. And so, Psalm one hundred and eighteen, in verse eight, it is better to trust in the Lord then to put confidence in man. It is better to verse nine. Is Better to trust the Lord than to put confidence in princes. M It's talking about rulers. Princes is synonymous with rulers, people in positions of power. We should put our trust in the Lord. Our confidence has to be in him. And I was the other day, praying just through the potential for the election, the elections coming up November. The third got in vote. I think it's your Christian Dud to do so. I'm not going to tell you to vote for but, you know, vote your worldview, of course. And I was thinking about this and praying through this and just thinking, okay, how am I going to feel if Joe Biden wins? Yeah, and I looked back, just in my heart, into my mind, thinking how did I feel when Barack Obama was elected? I was, I was it almost like, you know, my football team loss. You Know How some people like if they're football team loses, they have a bad week, they have a bad money going right, deep depression. They going to deep depression, but gonna feel like that. I'm going to feel and I remember back when Barack Obama was elected, I didn't feel like that. I wasn't discouraged in the least. Actually, I wasn't surprised. He was a total leftist, you know, Looney Bird, and I really think brought our country in our in a wrong direction.

49:14 Yeah, but my confidence is not in him. It wasn't in who's even running against him. Was it John McCain or something? Like that. I don't even remember New Gingrich, I don't remember, but one of that it was one of those guys. Yeah, one of those losers. He wasn't going to do a whole lot of wars. Anyway. I want to come Lea Sup but you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, they're there. They weren't going to be my security any rate. Right, and Donald Trump is not my security. Right. So if Joe Biden becomes president, yeah, I could. Yeah, I'll be a little disappointed. I'll be a little disappointed that we as a nation could it make a better decision. But I'm also I'm looking at Donald Trump, I'm thinking he's not the greatest guy in the world and honestly, our nation could be destroyed and any ruler should end up, any terrible ruler could end up destroying our nation.

50:00 But I think, I think the fact is, whether Joe Biden is president or Donald Trump's president, somebody is going to be burning something. Yeah, somebody's going to be looting riots and yeah, yeah, it's going to be it's going to be rough either way. So what I'm saying is my confidence is in the Lord, whether Joe Biden is president or not. Whether Donald Trump is president or not, I'm not going to be discouraged because I know that Jesus Christ is still on His throne. Jesus Christ is still the Lord of all of creation. If we know that and we truly possessed that in our soul, we understand, believe and trust that, we are able to impart that to others, and I think that it's our duty to bring that confidence and trust to others. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. Another scripture here in Psalms. Psalms are so one, times are so good. Yeah, Psalm one hundred and eight and verse twelve, give US help from trouble, for the help of man is useless. MMM, through God we will do valiently, valiantly, for it is he who shall tread upon our enemies.

51:07 So leave it up to God. Right, gave it up to the war. Right. You know, our enemies are not the Democrats, and some sense they are right. Their enemies of this country, in it this this Constitution, Republic that we live in. But ultimately our enemies as a believers, are spiritual and it's the Lord that's going to handle that stuff. We just have a duty to obey the Lord, to be a voice for these babies, to proclaim the Gospel and all that other stuff, overturning rovy Wade, abolishing abortion, all the other political stuff that can take place. We got to do our best to do what we can, vote for people that are in line with our worldview. But trust the Lord, yeah, right, so, and speak his truth. Yeah, that's so. The reality is this. We have to be faithful, to proclaim the Gospel, no matter who's in power, no matter how the Supreme Court is, no matter if the Supreme Court is a left of Supreme Court or a conservative Supreme Court. We have a duty to proclaim the gospel. And then just bringing up the rear here with Mica, Chapter Seven and in Verse Five. Okay, do not trust in a friend, do not put your confidence, and that's the key word, in a companion. Okay, guard the doors of your mouth from her who lies in your bosom, for son dishonors father, and daughter rises against mother, daughter in law against her mother in law, and a man's enemies are the men of his own household. Therefore, I

52:37 will look to the Lord. This is this is the key here. I will look to the Lord and I will wait for the God of my salvation. My God will hear me. And the point of this is, yes, there's chaos and there's going to be chaos in this nation and no matter what happens with a Supreme Court, no matter what happens with the election, there's going to be a lot of chaos in our nation. Daughter in law against Darl I just had a new volunteer come out today whose son is actually going to be marrying a pro a pro choice person and she's not terribly happy with that. Yeah, he's obviously making a bad decision there, but there's there's some contention there with her potential daughter in law and it's going to be and it's like that. I'm hearing a lot of these stories, just people within their families fighting over the issue of life and pro choice, prolife, but other political issues of Blm stuff and all of that. Just a lot of infighting and families. It seems like it's ramped up even more and more and were and we try to find our confidence, like let's go talk to that, maybe they can tell us what we need to hear, or let's go talk to them, and this is these verses are saying to do that.

53:35 Yeah, exactly, useless. Yeah, again, therefore, I will look to the Lord. Yeah, I will wait for the Lord of myselfation. Right, my God will hear me. Yeah. So, as believers in Jesus, our confidence has to be in him, not in the Supreme Court, not in whatever other entity that we want to look to, and our obedience in our legions has to be to the Lord. So I want to encourage you guys with that. Be Faithful. Don't put confidence in the flesh, don't put confidence in the Supreme Court. Do what you need to do as far as your duty and voting and praying. Certainly we need to be praying for our nation. Our pastor has encouraged us to pray every day at fourteen and in line with second chronicle fourteen, if my people, which are called by name, my name, will humble themselves and pray and turn from their wicked ways, she'd have to be awake at seven fourteen. Yep, fourteen in the morning, and so I have alarm set. So I just want to encourage you guys. Maybe you set your alarm s fourteen.

54:28 He said pray a minute for our nation, that the heart of this nation would turn back to the Lord, and part of that again is overturning this rovyweight decision. But there's a lot of other things that, as a nation, we need to turn back to the Lord in. Yeah, so be praying for a nation, but put your confidence in the Lord. If you want to reach out to me, it's deep parks. It cities for lifecom. She's V Cassie Orge, cities for lifecom. So We'd love to hear from you, guys that. We'd love to hear how this podcast was a blessing to you guys and encouragement to you guys. Maybe you have some things that you could share along these lines. It would help us. We'd certainly love to hear from you, but until next time, God bless give me out love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. And some you