Where Were You When Roe Was Overturned?

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.439 And I had in my mind that that picture like. Finally, it's like 2 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:07.599 freedom has come darkness, the veil of darkness has been lifted off of our 3 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:11.519 land, and that's the picture that came to my mind. This veil of 4 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:17.280 darkness that shrouded our land, the the national support of the shedding of innocent 5 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:23.039 blood, has finally been peeled back. I Am Yours, I'm yours, 6 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:30.920 I'm yours, and me Lord, I'm yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome 7 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:36.280 to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage 8 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:40.200 and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the 9 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:53.200 Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt your past touch your hearty welcome back to 10 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:57.520 the Gospel centered pro life podcast. 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We we did an episode with reading several of their reviews. 45 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:22.360 It's fun to read that stuff, but at the end of the day, 46 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:28.800 Um, we know that what we're doing we're doing for the Lord Right and 47 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.360 Um, there's gonna be people that are angry just the fact that these folks 48 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:36.080 are angry with the whole Rovie Wade being overturned. There's just this anger, 49 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:40.159 this angst with pro abortion people, um, and it's really a measure of 50 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:46.479 success actually. It's really actually encouraging to see them sort of, uh, 51 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:51.479 throwing a fit. Now, the Bible says that we shouldn't delight in the 52 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:53.840 demise of our enemy, lest the Lord sit it, and we're not doing 53 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:59.199 that. So we're not gloating, we're glorying and what the Lord has done. 54 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.719 Amen. And this episode is gonna be about Roe v Wade being overturned 55 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:08.000 and it's going to be in particular about kind of like that historic day. 56 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.520 Where were you? What what was going through your heart, what was going 57 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.039 through your mind? So we're gonna share some of that from our perspective. 58 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:15.680 And I know many of you, Um, you guys, you, when 59 00:04:15.720 --> 00:04:19.920 you found the news, found out about the news reevie way being overturned, 60 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.560 you were shocked, you were amazed. Some of you are maybe you're not 61 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:28.040 surprised, UM, but we're just gonna Glory in what the Lord has done 62 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.000 and we hope that this will be an encouragement. I just do want to 63 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:36.399 say, though, like to me. It's it's a God thing. It's 64 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:42.680 a God thing through and through. I never would have imagined that we would 65 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:47.560 see in twenty twenty two, that we would see the overturning of Roevie Wade. 66 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:50.879 I had pretty much, and this is my lack of faith. Okay, 67 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:55.800 so I'll admit that, but I pretty much thought, well, it's 68 00:04:55.839 --> 00:05:01.480 just gonna be in the American history books as something that has always been and 69 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:06.279 always will be. Um Now I had faith to believe that God can turn 70 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:10.240 the heart of this nation back to himself. And but it's just one of 71 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:14.399 those things and it just it's been around Roe v Wade. That decision has 72 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.959 kind of stood for almost fifty years right. So it's amazing. It's miraculous 73 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:23.560 to imagine that thing has been overturned. So we're gonna talk about that. 74 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:27.279 I don't know if you have some introductory statements you want to make before we 75 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.519 get into well, I was thinking, because I did write something for our 76 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:32.879 love life blog. I did not write an article for this because we're going 77 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.480 to kind of just share from our heart where we were that day and what 78 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:41.920 we felt and what happened where we were. But I was thinking, as 79 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:46.319 it was happening about. I remember very clearly where I was. I can 80 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:50.040 picture my whole family when the first man stepped on the moon, which was 81 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:54.879 another one of those kind of pivotal days in history that everybody kind of knows 82 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:59.120 and they remember. When when Um President Kennedy was shot, was another one 83 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.439 of those kinds of days where I remember very clearly, and I was little 84 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:05.800 for both of those events, but I remember those so clearly and I think 85 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:10.600 this is one of those kinds of days. Well, I'm remembering where you 86 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:15.480 were when, especially Um, if you're involved in the in the pro life 87 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:20.439 movement in any way, like like we were. So and I share a 88 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:25.720 lot of what you said, Daniel, that I I just really kind of 89 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:30.360 never thought it was going to happen in my lifetime. and Uh Yeah, 90 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:32.439 I mean we've kind of been told, we've kind of been indoctrinated with this 91 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.759 idea, and it's a lie that Roevie Wade is the law of the land. 92 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.199 And of course we know, if you know how this system of government 93 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:46.319 works, the Supreme Court does not make laws, right, they don't make 94 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.319 legislation. So it's not a law. Right, road was not a law. 95 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:53.199 So what do you call it. It was a decision that was handing 96 00:06:53.319 --> 00:07:00.560 down decision right. It was an interpretation of the constitution that allow because of 97 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.360 a person's right to privacy, it allowed for a woman to kill her child 98 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:06.160 in her womb. That was the basis of it. Now, I don't 99 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:10.199 know all the INS and outs. I'm sure there's a there's a lot more 100 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.879 than we're ever gonna be able to dig into in that decision, but ultimately 101 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:17.680 we know what it did is it opened up, just so you guys understand 102 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.759 those who maybe are not in the know about all this this stuff, and 103 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:25.560 we're gonna talk maybe a little bit about what we did an episode about this. 104 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:29.160 What would happen if REV wads returned? How will we UM? So 105 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.160 I won't. I won't go through all of that again. But before Roe 106 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:36.560 v Wade, before that decision was handed down in nineteen seventy three, there 107 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:43.439 were already states that had abortion as a person's right, a woman's right. 108 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.720 So New York, UH, New York State, I believe, California, 109 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:53.360 I'm pretty sure in nineteen sixty eight or something, California made it Um pretty 110 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:58.519 much abortion on demand. What what happened with Roe v Wade? Was essentially 111 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.720 every eight had to allow, according to the Supreme Court's decision and the way 112 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:09.600 that people interpreted that decision, that states had to allow abortion up to viability. 113 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.720 They couldn't put restrictions on abortion up to viability, and so it made 114 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:20.399 abortion a woman's right, supposedly all across the nation. And so we know 115 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.920 Roevie Wade being overturned does not mean that abortion is made illegal. Some people 116 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:26.680 have been saying that abortion is now illegal in the United States. No, 117 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:31.959 it's not. Actually, abortion is very much legal. It's very much legal 118 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:37.320 and in most every state. Even in some states it's more restricted than others 119 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.559 some states. Eventually it's gonna be, hopefully in the next couple of weeks 120 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.240 or days or whatever, it's gonna be illegal. Um. But there's a 121 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.720 lot to that that we're not going to get into because I'm not a constitutional 122 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.919 lawyer. I'm not an attorney, Vicky, you're not an attorney, um. 123 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:58.120 But we are going to talk about kind of how we felt, where 124 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:01.320 we were at when we heard about reevue waving overturned. Now, you guys 125 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.080 know, if you've been watching the news for the past I don't know, 126 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.559 since that leak since that draft leak in early, Um, was it in 127 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.320 late April, early May? I think it was in May. But yeah, 128 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.799 so we kind of, I mean at least there was an understanding that 129 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:20.360 this thing, there's a high likelihood that this thing is going to be a 130 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.679 return and of course pro abortion people wanted to put pressure on. The fact 131 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.159 that it was leaked was proved that they wanted to put pressure on the justices 132 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:33.600 and maybe even on Congress to make some decisions and to kind of, you 133 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.440 know, quote, push back on the infringement of a woman's right to choose 134 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.200 or whatever. Death threats to some of the Supreme Court judges, which is 135 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:46.039 just awful, right. Yeah, so there was at least there was an 136 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:52.080 understanding that this could be possible. But really just knowing that something could happen 137 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.919 and then it actually happening are two very different things. It was, it 138 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:01.679 was, it was. So I want to start with I happen to be 139 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.240 on the sidewalk that day. It wasn't by accident that I was on the 140 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:11.000 sidewalk. I knew we were all getting kind of news that it was going 141 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:16.879 to happen soon and I was actually there. I've been on the sidewalk quite 142 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.600 a bit lately because I was concerned. I was concerned for our teams what's 143 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.480 going to happen, because there have been so many threats of violence and there 144 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:31.919 have has been violence again and vandalism against especially pregnancy resource centers. So I 145 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:37.279 was there and I got um a text from someone who was there at the 146 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:43.440 Supreme Court who had some inside knowledge, who said it's going to happen today. 147 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:46.600 So I was I told our team I thought it was going to happen 148 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.759 today and we were all just waiting and I was texting. Well, I 149 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.840 was checking my phone every every few seconds and probably two seconds after it was 150 00:10:54.879 --> 00:11:00.320 announced I got the text that and I just Um, you know, I 151 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:07.600 can't describe that feeling because it's we've just been doing this for so long and 152 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:13.000 I knew that it would change nothing in our state. If anything, my 153 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:18.559 work was going to now increase right and and that is because North Carolina is 154 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.080 not one of those states that it was immediately abortion is going to be made 155 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:28.279 illegal or even more tight restrictions on abortions. But the surrounding states, Tennessee 156 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.279 in particular, Tennessee in South Carolina, I think, in particular, and 157 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:39.799 then also Georgia will likely severely restrict abortions and that will push we already see 158 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.840 women from those areas, we do. That'll push even more ladies to this 159 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.039 abortion clinic, especially here on Latrobe. Yes, so I knew that was 160 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.240 going to happen and I knew that this really didn't change. You know, 161 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:56.360 if it doesn't change the heart of the nation, then abortion is not going 162 00:11:56.440 --> 00:12:01.440 to change, and not not, not to. It's a gospel issue. 163 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.519 I truly believe and know that. But to know that our nation was no 164 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:15.000 longer defined as as a place where the rights of the unborn are Um, 165 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:20.399 are just null and void, as as a as a nation, that saying 166 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:28.759 that there's a constitutional right to abortion was now overturned, and that meant a 167 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.960 lot to me. So I you know, I I pumped my fist in 168 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:39.000 the air and Um and, you know, waving to all of our team 169 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.919 members. We were spread out, following good strategic placement our team, so 170 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.559 we're all up and down the road and every one of them looked over and 171 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:52.000 instantly knew what what I was communicating. Um, and then I went to 172 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:58.840 each one, hugging them and taking a picture because I wanted to memorialize where 173 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:03.440 each of us was on the on this day and we're just beaming. All 174 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.159 of us are beaming, texting the people that we know and Um posting it. 175 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:13.440 You know, rope waite is overturned. So Um. So I had 176 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.480 that that mixed feelings of I know that tomorrow we're probably going to face a 177 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:24.720 very disturbing number of people coming in for an abortion, or certainly over the 178 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:30.759 next few days, but for today I just wanted to rejoice, just rejoice, 179 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:37.240 and there was a really we we had. We had organized tentatively the 180 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.600 day before, thinking it might be that day. We had already organized, 181 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:45.039 Um, a worship service on our property next door to the abortion center, 182 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.960 and as soon as we knew it was overturned, we started texting everyone and 183 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.360 saying, Hey, gather, we're gonna worship, we're going to praise the 184 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:56.039 Lord, and we did and a few of the love life of Edmund People 185 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:58.320 showed up. I know you were out of town and I'd love to hear 186 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.120 what happened in California where you were, but Um, I think one of 187 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:09.559 the most pivotal stories for me was, um, we're doing the worship service. 188 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.000 I actually was on the MIC and still calling out to women are over 189 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.399 by the driveway so that the rest of our team could could be at that 190 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:24.759 worship service. So Um. But I did see a woman's pull over for 191 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:30.879 UH, the Charlotte City director of Love Life, and get out of her 192 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.399 car. I didn't know what was going on at the time, but it 193 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:41.559 turns out she has fertility issues and cannot conceive and she had come asking for 194 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:46.039 prayer. I don't know if she knew it was the day Roe v way 195 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:52.360 was overturned, but I thought how ironic that this woman who cannot conceive is 196 00:14:52.399 --> 00:15:01.960 showing up at an abortion center sidewalk where women are throwing their aldren away as 197 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:09.080 medical waste, and it happens to be on the day that that so called 198 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:16.120 right has been overturned nationally. And Jonathan, our city director, prayed with 199 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.240 the woman. She turned out to be angry at God, she didn't understand, 200 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:24.200 and he prayed with her and spoke about the truth of the Gospel and 201 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:30.519 she submitted her life to the Lord right right then and there on this historic 202 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:35.559 day. and to me that's what has to happen for for abortion to truly 203 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:39.679 change, and I took it as a very wonderful symbol and omen and just 204 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:46.879 um proof and presence of the Lord at that place. So that's my story. 205 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.559 That's where I was and that that's what that's what happened on this historic 206 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:54.279 day. They were by the way, they were helicopters circling. There were 207 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:58.840 all kinds of newspeople and they've been. It's kind of flattening out now, 208 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.320 but they have been all over the sidewalk trying to interview us. We just 209 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:06.360 refer them onto love life, but it's it's really been kind of a zoo 210 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:11.919 in that respect. But the pro abortion crowd has been surprisingly quiet through it 211 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:17.840 all. So when you guys found out, then obviously I'm sure they found 212 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:22.159 out shortly after, if not at the same time. What was the reaction 213 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.399 of the pro abortion people? was there not like something? Okay, so 214 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.080 that was interesting. Daniel. I'm glad you asked that because, Um, 215 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.919 we were purposely. I had already actually talked with some people. Were not 216 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.000 going to gloat. This is no matter what happens, we can't be gloating 217 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:41.759 about this. It is caused for rejoicing. But Um, uh, but 218 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.440 you know, we did. You know, I went and hugged everyone and 219 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.480 what there was from the pro abortion crowd was dead silence and they all go 220 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.840 on their phone and I'm sure they were all checking to see if it was 221 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:57.799 true. No one said a word to me about it. No one said 222 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.720 Hey, I'll bet you're happier anything. There was just silence from the pro 223 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:07.279 abortion group. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean. Well, I'm 224 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.519 gonna read this passage of scripture that has to do with that Um because the 225 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:17.359 Lord has reminded me of this. I've we've been under attacked by pro abortion 226 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:21.160 people since we've been doing this ministry. We've seen a lot of really nasty 227 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:23.319 people do a lot of really nasty things and we've seen them come and go. 228 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:27.160 I mean I've watched some people. Remember one security guarden out here some 229 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:32.720 years ago that was really nasty and I was there the day that the abortion 230 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:36.640 clinic finally fired him because he was even more nasty than they wanted him to 231 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:38.240 be, and I watched him to be pretty bad. Yeah, and I 232 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.920 watched him walk away cussing because he didn't even have a vehicle at that time. 233 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:45.240 I think his girlfriend or his wife or something worked inside the clinic and 234 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:48.720 so he had to walk, he had to leave walking and get a bus 235 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:53.240 and I remember watching him walk away and I wanted so badly to like just 236 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:56.920 gloat in the fact. Hey, dude, look what just happened to you. 237 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.119 You got fired, ha ha ha. And then I've seen another, 238 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:04.759 UM, really nasty pro abortion lady who used to come out. This is 239 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:10.960 probably about ten years ago or something and, Um, I watched the clinic 240 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:12.599 tell her to leave as well, and I watched the look on her face, 241 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:17.400 like she was heartbroken. This clinic that had encouraged her to come and 242 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:22.440 counter protest told her to leave because she was doing some risky things that really 243 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.799 wasn't helpful, according to them right, and they had asked her to come, 244 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.920 and I watched her just to look on her face was kind of heartbreaking 245 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.319 because she was like surprised that they told her you have to get off our 246 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:34.680 property and you have to leave. How bad much do you be to be 247 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:41.559 rejected by right? But then a brother reminded me of this scripture. This 248 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:45.200 is proverb, verse Seventeen, that says do not rejoice when your enemy falls 249 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.480 and do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles. Verse Eighteen. 250 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.839 Less the Lord see it, and it displeased him and he turned away his 251 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:56.799 wrath from him. So we rejoice in what the Lord has done, but 252 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:03.240 we don't need to gloat and rejoice that our enemies fall Um. And that's 253 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.000 really not what this is about anyway. This is not about pro aborts, 254 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.920 this is not about the pro abortion contingency in the United States of America. 255 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:17.039 It's not about Democrats losing. It's about little babies being valued as human beings, 256 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:21.839 at least in some measure, at least not being devalued because that Supreme 257 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.160 Court decision, Roe v Wade, in a sense, well, not in 258 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:27.720 a sense, I think. Plainly just said they are not persons, that 259 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.880 unborn child is not a person, and so we've seen that overturn. I 260 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.480 believe it's it's a in a sense. Again, it's not about pro aborts, 261 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:38.599 it's not about the Democrat Party, it's not about the Supreme Court. 262 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:47.319 It's about the Lord. It's about what God's words says actually being being agreed 263 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:49.400 with, right that human beings are are made in the image of God, 264 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:53.920 that human beings are persons because they're human beings. Um, and so that's 265 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:56.640 what's about. So we can rejoice, we're gonna have to gloat. Um. 266 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.160 I think in a sense, like we need to understand where these pro 267 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.119 abortion people are at, as misguided, as misdirected as these people are, 268 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:07.920 as full of demons as some of them are. Um, they just lost 269 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.599 something that's very precious to them. And again, we know it's ridiculous a 270 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.480 woman's right to choose. It's not about that. It's about murdering, murdering 271 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.720 children. Um. But we need to understand where these people are at and 272 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:23.200 we need to pray that their eyes are open to the reality that what they 273 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:26.880 were supporting was the murder of children. Maybe, somehow this could bring that 274 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:32.759 reality to them, and so I think understanding that is helpful. Having a 275 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:36.519 heart posture before the Lord, because certainly we don't want to gloat and mock 276 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:38.640 pro abortion people in the Democrat Party or whatever. And then, as that 277 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.000 scripture says, the Lord like turned back his wrath. Right, the Lord 278 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:47.680 somehow just lets us, as a nation, go back into that whole that 279 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:55.079 that just wicked direction of basically supporting the murder of children inside right. Yeah, 280 00:20:55.079 --> 00:21:00.799 and I will tell you I've been so just honored and out to stand 281 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:06.720 alongside our team members, because I have not seen one moment of gloating or 282 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:11.480 mocking the pro abortion crowd. What I have seen is a heart that is 283 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:19.000 just so um kind and I think, if anything, praying more for the 284 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:26.559 probortion group. And literally yesterday we surrounded a young lady who's brother is in 285 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:30.799 the hospital and she's on the other side. She's probortioned but Um, we're 286 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.440 all heartbroken for her. Her brother could die and we just we prayed for 287 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.640 her, we laid her hands on her and prayed for her, and that's 288 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:44.559 that is overwhelmingly the response to the people that I know. Yeah, it's 289 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:49.839 important that we ourselves are not proud of the overturning of road vie way, 290 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:56.759 but we're humbled by it because who could imagine again in that we would see 291 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.519 this if it didn't happen? You know, when we had think about it, 292 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.839 right now we have Joe Biden in office. He's like, you know, 293 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:08.680 I don't know if he himself, but he's certainly controlled by some of 294 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:15.880 the most radical pro abortion people that have ever existed in the history of country. 295 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:21.000 Um, the congress is kind of stacked against us and so it's like 296 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.759 the power that's in control right now for the most part, is the party 297 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:29.279 that supports the murder of children. So who would imagine that it would be 298 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:34.319 overturned now? But it's only again by the mercy of God, and I'll 299 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:40.079 say this too, this is a flip flip. Benham said this. Yesterday 300 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:44.960 we did a celebration of just of him and his life and his dedication to 301 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.200 the Lord and to overturn Roevie weight. He literally Baptized Jane Roe of Roe 302 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.799 v Waight. Normal cory been in been pro life warrior for what? Fifties, 303 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:57.039 sixty? Well, not ever since, ever since Roe was handed down. 304 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.000 So fifty years, almost fifty years, a little less than that. 305 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.880 Actually. He came into this battle in the early eighties, maybe mid eighties, 306 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:07.680 because really before and I won't get into all his testimony, probably should 307 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:11.920 do an interview with him and a long time ago I did one. Maybe 308 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.519 you should do another one. But he was actually a pro abortion pastor. 309 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.440 Like he he thought that abortion was just a woman's right to choose and all 310 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.759 that, until he had an encounter with the Lord and the truth was spoken 311 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.240 to him. Um. But what I was getting at is he he mentioned 312 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:33.240 how God used the Jawbone of a donkey to slay his enemies, Donald Trump, 313 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.400 and I don't care what you think about that guy. I don't care 314 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.160 what you guys that are listening think. Many of you love the Guy, 315 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.359 many of you can't stand the guy, some of you voted, some of 316 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:45.160 you didn't vote for him. But, whatever you think of the Guy, 317 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:53.400 God used that man to put three justices on that Supreme Court that ultimately he 318 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:57.839 used to overturn this Roe v way decision. And, if you think about 319 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:02.319 it too, this is kind of fun. We always hear a pro abortion 320 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:07.519 friends talking about white men controlling women's bodies. Right, white men should have 321 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:14.200 no say in a woman's body. In nineteen seventy three, who made that 322 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:18.720 that that Roe v Way Decision? Was All white men, right now here 323 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.079 in two who made the decision to overturn Roe v Way? It was some 324 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.599 white men, but also a black man and a woman. Right. So 325 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:32.119 the Supreme Court is more diverse now than it was then and it's that diverse 326 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:37.680 supreme court that overturned that that decision from a pretty much monolithic group of people 327 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.839 back in and so that's amazing. This is just miraculous what the Lord has 328 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.920 done and what the Lord has used to overturn this decision. So I'll share. 329 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:51.799 Yeah, I wanted to hear because I haven't heard really what happened where 330 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:55.960 you were, where you were and what the response was around you. So 331 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.759 I was actually Um and I was in northern Californ and there was a march 332 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.680 for life in northern California, Sacramento, and so I was there. But 333 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.880 then that was on a Wednesday and then shortly after Um and that that afternoon, 334 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.079 that evening, I flew up to Washington state. So I was in 335 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:15.720 Washington State, which is pretty pretty pro abortion right that nothing much is gonna 336 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.759 Change, if anything is going to change in Washington state after the overturning, 337 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:23.119 in Ruby way just like California. Um, but it's it's a dark place. 338 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.839 Let me just tell you. There's a lot of our team there suffers 339 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:32.720 a lot of opposition. Their church got vandalized by the people that are threatening 340 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.319 vandalism for churches and for Um life pregnancy centers. A pregnancy center locally there 341 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.279 got vandalized as well. So it's a pretty hostile area. So I'm thinking, 342 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.000 and this is you know, I'm there on a Thursday, on the 343 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.079 Thursday before Um in Washington state, and I'm gonna be there for the next 344 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.720 couple of days. I'm thinking if this decision does get handed down, like 345 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:57.240 I'm probably in the worst place you could be, um. And so that 346 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:03.359 Friday morning. So I remember that. I'm on three hours Um time difference. 347 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.119 So ten o'clock, I think it was. It was just shortly after 348 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.359 ten, so it would have been like shortly after seven years time. Yeah, 349 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:12.160 and I'm not a super early rise. Okay, I'll only get up 350 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:17.400 about seven, maybe a little bit before seven, and so I think I 351 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.680 was up at like seven. As a matter of fact. I think I 352 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:26.000 was awakened by a text message, Um, from another guy, I want 353 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:32.319 name, and you and I were in that and I think that was probably 354 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.319 the first communication I got during that day. And I'm like you, I'm 355 00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:37.960 kind of like rubbing my eyes, I'm like looking like is this? Is 356 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.480 this for real? Like in my sleep, am I awake? Is this 357 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:47.000 a dream? Is it a dreaming? And then in my mind, this 358 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.359 is the picture that I saw. And you, you won't relate to this 359 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.359 because you're not a star wars person right now, but I've seen it. 360 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.440 Watched return of the Jedi, I don't remember. I saw the first one 361 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:03.119 return of the Jedi, which is my face favorite star wars episode, episode 362 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:08.440 six right of the series, turned into Jedi Um at the very end, 363 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:14.559 after the forces of darkness are defeated, because in that episode you had the 364 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.599 e walks, right, they were kind of some main characters there. So 365 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.319 once the empire was taken down, once the Um, the death star, 366 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:26.920 was blown up, you had all across all of the planets and all of 367 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.359 the areas, everybody was rejoicings, like this big party, and I had 368 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.119 in my mind that that picture like finally, it's like freedom has come darkness, 369 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.440 the veil of darkness has been lifted off of our land, and that's 370 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.839 the picture that came to my mind. This veil of darkness that shrouded our 371 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:48.039 land, the the national support of the shedding of innocent blood, has finally 372 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:55.559 been peeled back and I really believe that this could be an opportunity for this 373 00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:57.799 nation to turn back to the Lord. Yeah, I think so too, 374 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.440 even the like we said, not much is going to change in some states, 375 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:08.839 at least as a nation, we have repented of our support of the 376 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.799 shedding of innocent blood. We have repented and we've decided no longer will we 377 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:17.319 have this in our land? Yeah, I I had a dream. It 378 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:21.240 was I think it was the night that it was overturned and I really hadn't 379 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:23.319 thought much about it, but I knew it was probably a significant dream. 380 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:27.440 But I was in my van and hit reverse by accident. I was trying 381 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:33.200 to escape an evil enemy and my and I end up hitting reverse instead of 382 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:40.240 like going forward and ended up backing into the river and my van just was 383 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.599 going deep underwater and the water was over me, it was all around me 384 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:51.119 and I knew there was no way out, no escape. I knew Eva 385 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:56.279 was going to win. And somehow I opened the door, which you can't 386 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.559 really do when you're underwater and your door is closed, but I opened the 387 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:04.160 door and not only did I make it safely to the surface, but I 388 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:10.640 pushed my van out of the river and on to dry land and the evil 389 00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:15.319 was gone. And that to me was a picture kind of of the enormity 390 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:21.039 of what I felt, that I not that I had done the impossible, 391 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:27.000 but but that somehow, um the impossible had been empowered to be done and 392 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.519 I was an instrument of it. And that's kind of how I think. 393 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.359 A lot of pro life. People are feeling that we have been used by 394 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.440 God and we got to see something we never expected to see. That was 395 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.720 just glorious. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. And on that particular day, 396 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:47.720 after rejoicing over there, returning of Rovy Wade, I was actually doing 397 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:51.160 what we call a one hour journey with some pastors. So that's when we 398 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.119 bring pastors out for one hour to pray in front of the abortion center. 399 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.119 Said, a group of Pastors and ministry leaders come out to the side walk 400 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.880 in front of a Plant parenthood there in Washington's eight and we had an awesome 401 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.599 time of prayer. There was some pro abortion opposition there, but it was 402 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.960 really pretty tame actually, which is a surprise. And that was a large 403 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:15.599 number of pastors, wasn't it? Yeah, people, maybe, and Um, 404 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.799 it was good just to be there praying, worshiping the Lord, the 405 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.440 the I guess excitement, maybe euphoria, it's too strong a word. Maybe 406 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.880 that's the right word it was. It was evident in the crowd and our 407 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.799 folks, but also, of course, this concern that these pro abortion people 408 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.759 are gonna who knows what they're gonna do, be violent, and what's in 409 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.880 their hearts gonna manifest in the streets. Thank God that's not what happened. 410 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.200 And again, the pro abortion opposition that was out there was pretty mild, 411 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:47.319 maybe, maybe, kind of discouraged actually. And UH, yeah, that's 412 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.839 a sense I got that there was very disheartened people. Yeah, so we 413 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.440 definitely need to pray for them when encourage you, guess, to do that. 414 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.319 Um, but I think we're ready to wrap this episode up. We 415 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:00.759 just wanted to are kind of where we were at, what we were thinking, 416 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.200 you know, and we didn't want it to go unnoticed because, you 417 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:11.599 know, we we definitely are just really happy about this development. Yeah, 418 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.799 yeah, and it really cannot be attributed to one organization, one group, 419 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.920 one I mean, we can attribute it to the Supreme Court, maybe to 420 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.640 Donald Trump and put the right people in place, but ultimately we've got to 421 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.119 acknowledge this is the Lord, this is the Lord's doing, this is a 422 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.920 mercy from God and I think all the more as those those who are called 423 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.920 to stand and to speak and to proclaim the gospel of the Church of Jesus 424 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.559 Christ, all the more we need to stand up and we need to press 425 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:44.119 into the Lord in prayer and believe God for revival in our land. I 426 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.039 believe God can send revival. Believe God will send revival at least one more 427 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.039 time to our nation. Or we'll see his holy spirit sweep across this land. 428 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.160 We'll see many come into the Kingdom of God, including some of those 429 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.920 pro abortion people who were mad that that Roevie Wade was overturned. God's going 430 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.160 to bring people into his Ken Ingdom. We have to be faithful, regardless 431 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.200 of what the Supreme Court does or does not do. We have to be 432 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.279 faithful to do what God has called us to do. And remember, abortion 433 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:14.960 is not over in our land right it's still happening, it's still gonna Happen 434 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.440 Until the Gospel saturates this nation. Um, we still have a lot of 435 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.119 work to do. 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