What is the Abortion Pill Reversal?

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.189 Lord. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. This episode we're going 3 00:00:10.230 --> 00:00:13.509 to have a special guest, my wife Courtney Parks, on to talk about 4 00:00:13.550 --> 00:00:17.550 the abortion pill reversal. She'll explain what the abortion pill reversal is, as 5 00:00:17.589 --> 00:00:21.109 well as share some stories what God has done through this awesome procedure. Stay 6 00:00:21.190 --> 00:00:37.049 tuned. I felt show passis touch your heart. Use Welcome to the Gospel 7 00:00:37.090 --> 00:00:41.530 Center pro life podcast. We have a special guest, very special guests, 8 00:00:41.609 --> 00:00:45.570 very my favorite guest that we've had of all thus far, of all times, 9 00:00:46.770 --> 00:00:50.840 and we'll be talking about a future Amen, and we're going to be 10 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:55.280 talking about a special subject which hopefully we'll be a blessing to you guys. 11 00:00:55.479 --> 00:01:02.359 Hopefully this will be informative to you guys and informational but also cheering some stories, 12 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:06.670 because God has done some amazing things. We have some pretty amazing stories 13 00:01:07.230 --> 00:01:11.549 to share and we have an amazing woman here, my wife, courtney parks, 14 00:01:11.989 --> 00:01:17.349 are in. She's a registered nurse and we're very happy to have her. 15 00:01:17.469 --> 00:01:19.540 We're here with US and she's been involved in what we're going to be 16 00:01:19.620 --> 00:01:23.739 talking about, which is the abortion pill reversal. She's been involved in that 17 00:01:23.939 --> 00:01:26.340 for a few years. How many years that's been? Probably Five, five 18 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:30.700 years. So she's been involved in the abortion pill reversals and doing the abortion 19 00:01:30.700 --> 00:01:34.329 peal reversals for about five years. And some of you guys have no clue 20 00:01:34.370 --> 00:01:38.370 what we're talking about. Some of you guys know exactly what we're talking about. 21 00:01:38.090 --> 00:01:42.090 But hopefully, as we when we wrap up this podcast, you'll be 22 00:01:42.209 --> 00:01:48.040 fully aware of what we're talking about and how, if you're ministering in a 23 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:52.239 pregnancy center or you're ministering, like we do, on the sidewalks an abortion 24 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:57.040 center, you'll know how to effectively offer the abortion pell reversal, or at 25 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.400 least what you're offering, what you're talking about, and even where to refer 26 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:04.189 people to. And so let's let's jump into a Vicky, you got some 27 00:02:04.269 --> 00:02:06.989 questions there that you were going to ask my wife. So we're going to 28 00:02:07.030 --> 00:02:10.909 be grilling her with these questions and I'm sure she'll do a very good job 29 00:02:10.990 --> 00:02:15.550 in answering them. So hop into your first question. Yeah, well, 30 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:20.580 and and it just as an introduction of this wonderful woman. I have been 31 00:02:20.659 --> 00:02:24.180 with Courtney for at least a few of these abortion pill reversals, one of 32 00:02:24.259 --> 00:02:28.819 which took all day and I think we're going to hear later about that story, 33 00:02:29.020 --> 00:02:34.770 but it is just such a beautiful example of God giving a second chance. 34 00:02:34.889 --> 00:02:37.810 He is the God of Second Chances, isn't he? and to me 35 00:02:38.050 --> 00:02:43.849 the abortion pill reversal is just such a beautiful example of that. So maybe 36 00:02:44.169 --> 00:02:47.159 for the people listening who have no idea what it is or they've probably heard 37 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:52.479 some lies about it, because there are a lot of misperceptions and lies about 38 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.639 it out there, can you tell us what it is, how it works, 39 00:02:55.680 --> 00:03:01.909 who developed it, maybe when it was developed? How about we talked 40 00:03:01.909 --> 00:03:07.229 about what the abortion pill actually does and then then we can jump into because 41 00:03:07.590 --> 00:03:10.990 one of the misconceptions that people have is that the abortion pill that they give 42 00:03:12.030 --> 00:03:15.500 them inside the abortion center and the morning after peeple are the same thing in 43 00:03:15.620 --> 00:03:17.860 Courtney. Those are not the same thing, absolutely not two different things. 44 00:03:19.060 --> 00:03:23.099 So how does the abortion peel work? So they give them medication inside the 45 00:03:23.099 --> 00:03:25.900 abortion center. What what is that medication? How does it work? Is 46 00:03:25.939 --> 00:03:30.250 there a combination of medications, that sort of thing? So when we talk 47 00:03:30.330 --> 00:03:37.050 about the abortion pill, it's actually a series of two medications. The first 48 00:03:37.129 --> 00:03:43.240 medication they actually give them in the abortion clinic. It's called mythopristone, or 49 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.680 another name you might hear is are you for eighty six? And and what 50 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:51.120 that is? It's a progesterone blocker. All right. So they give them 51 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:55.349 this medication in the abortion clinic and what it does is it attaches itself to 52 00:03:55.389 --> 00:04:02.990 the progesterone receptors in the uterus and it effectively tells the body this pregnancy is 53 00:04:03.030 --> 00:04:08.750 no longer wanted. It causes just the blood flow to stop to the Plus 54 00:04:08.750 --> 00:04:13.900 Sinta and essentially cuts off all the blood supply and the baby dies. Okay. 55 00:04:14.340 --> 00:04:18.220 They then send them home with actually a second part of the process, 56 00:04:18.339 --> 00:04:23.980 which a lot of people don't even understand or think that it has a second 57 00:04:24.019 --> 00:04:29.889 process. They think that first pill is all it takes. And the second 58 00:04:29.970 --> 00:04:32.930 part is actually called Mr Pro stall, or side attack. Okay, and 59 00:04:33.009 --> 00:04:41.959 it actually causes the woman to have contractions and expel this baby, quote unquote, 60 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:45.199 in the privacy of her own home. Right. So it would be 61 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:47.600 it'd be a good assessment to say the first medication. So we're talking about 62 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:51.720 the abortion pill. We're talking about not just one medication, we're talking about 63 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:56.870 an abortion peel procedure regiments? YEA, and so it would be fair to 64 00:04:56.910 --> 00:05:00.350 say the first medication, mythopristals, which you know it right, is what 65 00:05:00.430 --> 00:05:03.310 kills the baby and the second medication is what puts them into labor and then 66 00:05:03.350 --> 00:05:06.180 they delivered their dead baby a lot of times in the toilet, right, 67 00:05:06.459 --> 00:05:10.660 bathtub or whatever. If anybody, if you guys, listen to ever seeing 68 00:05:10.819 --> 00:05:15.300 the unplanned movie, I think we mentioned this in previous podcast, there's kind 69 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:20.060 of a graphic depiction of that process happening and seem pretty realistic, actually very 70 00:05:20.100 --> 00:05:25.490 realistic from what I've heard from clients and vasitions. that. Okay, so 71 00:05:25.689 --> 00:05:29.769 that's the abortion pill and that's what it does. WHAT IS APR? What 72 00:05:29.889 --> 00:05:32.050 is the abortion pell reversal, and what does it do? Okay, so 73 00:05:32.889 --> 00:05:40.040 when we talk about abortion peel reversal, it's actually not really a reversal. 74 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:45.639 It reverses the process that you've started. But what we're doing is we're giving 75 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:50.189 the woman extra progestero and over and above what her body is already making to 76 00:05:50.350 --> 00:05:54.910 really just flood the body and say no, we really do want to support 77 00:05:54.990 --> 00:06:00.149 this pregnancy, we really do want this pregnancy to survive, and the thought 78 00:06:00.230 --> 00:06:04.939 behind it is that it kind of over rides those blocked receptors and it does 79 00:06:05.019 --> 00:06:11.139 support the pregnancy and it just reminds the body that no, we do want 80 00:06:11.259 --> 00:06:15.420 this baby. Take Pretty simple concept or pretty amazing and it was developed by 81 00:06:15.459 --> 00:06:19.769 one of our very own dietors right here in Charlotte, right here at Cabaris 82 00:06:19.850 --> 00:06:25.410 Women Center. Actually it was I think cabaris pregnancy center at the time, 83 00:06:25.529 --> 00:06:29.089 but yeah, Dr Matthew Harrison and came up with it. Actually, a 84 00:06:29.410 --> 00:06:33.639 woman walked into the pregnancy center and with her mother and said, my daughter's 85 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:38.360 taken this pill. There has to be a way that we can get this 86 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.639 fixed. We have to be able to reverse this. So they regretted it, 87 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.360 definitely regretted it. She told her mom what she did. Mom brought 88 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:48.949 her to us and and Dr Matt Harrison was our medical director and so we 89 00:06:49.189 --> 00:06:54.389 sent her over to him and he tells the story and he says, you 90 00:06:54.470 --> 00:06:56.230 know, I had no idea what to do. I just kind of went 91 00:06:56.269 --> 00:07:00.230 out in the hall and prayed Lord Help me. Wow, what do I 92 00:07:00.350 --> 00:07:03.660 do? And the Lord just dropped this thought into his head. This is 93 00:07:03.899 --> 00:07:09.139 how the abortion pill works. What can you do to counteract that? Let's 94 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:13.100 flutter with progesterone. And how did he happen to have progesterone? Is that 95 00:07:13.259 --> 00:07:17.129 already is there already a met a collapplication of Proteus? PROGESTERONE is readily used. 96 00:07:17.250 --> 00:07:23.209 It's widely used for women who have frequent miscarriages. Okay, frequent. 97 00:07:23.449 --> 00:07:27.730 It's very frequently used in the obstetrics community for things like that. Yeah, 98 00:07:28.170 --> 00:07:30.920 so it isn't what you're doing. I mean, let's say, you know, 99 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.879 maybe a bad example your nurse. I'm not but I'm thinking. You 100 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:38.839 know, a kid swallows a, you know, some poison, something that's 101 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:43.240 poisonous. Sometimes a doctor, are you called poison control and they'll say we'll 102 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.110 have them dilute that with a bunch of water. Drink a bunch of water 103 00:07:46.189 --> 00:07:48.990 and that will dilute any of the poisonous effects. That's similar to what's going 104 00:07:49.069 --> 00:07:53.910 on. Or like charcoal. If you swallow poison and they say to take 105 00:07:53.949 --> 00:07:57.750 charcoal, thatple kind of absorbs the poison. Okay, I guess it would 106 00:07:57.750 --> 00:08:01.220 be. It would be similar to that, but it's just like a counter 107 00:08:01.379 --> 00:08:05.100 effective measure to yea to yeah, re verse the effects. In that story, 108 00:08:05.300 --> 00:08:09.259 which we actually have a video on our website, the Charlotte cities for 109 00:08:09.339 --> 00:08:15.610 life website, of the story of Ashley Say Yeah, and and so you 110 00:08:15.689 --> 00:08:18.529 guys can check out that story to kind of goes through it's you that baby 111 00:08:18.769 --> 00:08:22.769 will saved. It was effective, awesome testimony. Will get in some more 112 00:08:22.810 --> 00:08:28.000 of the testimonies here, but we do know it's effective. Right. We've 113 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.240 seen it's effect. How effective is it, though? I mean I know 114 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:35.720 it's hard to grab a percentage or number and say here's what it is, 115 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.799 but what's the general effectiveness rate of it? Well, as of right now, 116 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.669 I think they're saying about sixty four to sixty eight percent success rate, 117 00:08:45.549 --> 00:08:50.509 and we have seen that the earlier these women come for treatment, usually twenty 118 00:08:50.549 --> 00:08:56.379 four hours or less, of starting them on this protocol, and the further 119 00:08:56.460 --> 00:09:01.340 along they are. Now you can take the abortion pill here in North Carolina 120 00:09:01.379 --> 00:09:05.620 up to ten weeks of pregnancy and then you know, if I can see 121 00:09:05.620 --> 00:09:09.009 a detectable heartbeat on an ultrasound and if I can get to you within twenty 122 00:09:09.049 --> 00:09:13.289 four hours, your chances of success are really high. Sixty four to sixty 123 00:09:13.289 --> 00:09:18.330 eight percent or the last statistics that we have. So that's pretty good teen 124 00:09:18.409 --> 00:09:20.409 chances. I mean we'll talk a little bit matter of fact. Let's just 125 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.440 go ahead and talk about that. On the sidewalk, because you do sidewalk 126 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:26.240 counseling as well. Your nurse on the mobile unit, your nurse also in 127 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:31.480 to pregnancy centers, so you've seen a lot of sides of this thing. 128 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:37.200 But on the sidewalk is we're offering the abortion peell reversal and we offer that 129 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.070 in a way that, of course, we're not saying it's a hundred percent 130 00:09:41.190 --> 00:09:43.470 that there baby can be saved. In your opinion, what are some of 131 00:09:43.509 --> 00:09:48.070 the best ways for us to be offering that? Yeah, I think one 132 00:09:48.070 --> 00:09:50.269 of the best ways, and I think we do it really well here in 133 00:09:50.350 --> 00:09:54.700 Charlotte, is just to have a sign outside the exit of the abortion clinic 134 00:09:54.740 --> 00:09:58.340 letting people know that it actually is an option. Yeah, I've heard so 135 00:09:58.379 --> 00:10:01.700 many women who have called US and come in for help that say they didn't 136 00:10:01.700 --> 00:10:05.779 stop to talk to anybody because they were scared, they were intimidated by clinic 137 00:10:05.860 --> 00:10:09.409 staff, but they saw that sign line and they knew it was a possibility. 138 00:10:09.730 --> 00:10:15.330 Okay, so they went home and they googled it and they come across 139 00:10:15.370 --> 00:10:18.850 the abortion pill reversal information. So I think that is one of the most 140 00:10:18.889 --> 00:10:24.240 effective tools that I have seen used. And even just calling out as people 141 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:26.879 are leaving the clinic. You know, sometimes we don't know if they're there 142 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.799 for a surgical abortion or if they're there for a check up. But even 143 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.750 just calling out if you've taken the abortion pill, abortion pill reversalcom I've heard 144 00:10:35.830 --> 00:10:41.629 many women say that they have heard that and known it was a possibility and 145 00:10:41.750 --> 00:10:45.309 going home and called that number. Yeah, and how often do you get 146 00:10:45.429 --> 00:10:48.909 calls, say, in a typical week or month for abortion pill reversal? 147 00:10:50.259 --> 00:10:54.980 Well, here in Charlotte we get, you know, probably three calls a 148 00:10:54.059 --> 00:11:00.379 month. Okay, at the centers that I work at, but I think 149 00:11:00.460 --> 00:11:05.649 heartbeat internationals that they get about hundred and fifty calls a month and then they 150 00:11:05.730 --> 00:11:11.730 distribute those referrals out to over five hundred providers nationwide now. So that is 151 00:11:11.769 --> 00:11:16.169 actually really exciting for me. I'm like, we have this nationwide system of 152 00:11:16.769 --> 00:11:20.519 providers who are willing to see these women and offer them a second yeah, 153 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:26.919 that's that's awesome. And so so someone calls this hotline and and someone picks 154 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:31.200 up the phone and then how does that person get connected with someone who is 155 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.990 trained, and can you tell us a little bit about your role, because 156 00:11:35.029 --> 00:11:39.909 you're one of those trained people that they call? How does that press this 157 00:11:39.070 --> 00:11:43.549 work? So when they call the number, and there's so many options now 158 00:11:43.029 --> 00:11:46.820 with technology, they can call, they can text, they can instant message, 159 00:11:46.980 --> 00:11:52.379 they can email. To get connected, they call the abortion pill reversal 160 00:11:52.500 --> 00:11:58.220 hotline or APR Hotline, and I don't have that number, but heartbeat international 161 00:11:58.779 --> 00:12:03.450 dot org is where it's run. Through our abortion pill reversalcom you can go 162 00:12:03.570 --> 00:12:07.769 to. Yeah, Turfin International's more of the provider side. Okay, abortion 163 00:12:07.809 --> 00:12:15.490 pill reversalcom is the like for instant messaging with patients. But so when they 164 00:12:15.529 --> 00:12:20.000 get that call, they are connected with a nurse and that nurse kind of 165 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:26.320 takes their information, looks at their location, finds a provider in their area 166 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:33.029 and then they call that provider and connect that patient directly with that provider. 167 00:12:33.350 --> 00:12:37.190 And would that be the nurse or would that be the it just pregnancy resource 168 00:12:37.269 --> 00:12:41.429 center? It depends on the location. For our location here in Charlotte, 169 00:12:41.789 --> 00:12:48.100 they call our center directly and normally that is our director at compair swim and 170 00:12:48.139 --> 00:12:52.980 centers. That Sarah Ship perist. She takes those calls and kind of screens 171 00:12:54.019 --> 00:12:58.179 them and then she and I together find a time we actually see that patient 172 00:12:58.299 --> 00:13:01.250 in our clinic. I do a whole medical assessment, we do an ultra 173 00:13:01.450 --> 00:13:05.970 sound to confirm that that baby is still alive and in the uterus and then 174 00:13:05.570 --> 00:13:11.529 we get her started immediately on progesterone. Do you ever get calls at midnight? 175 00:13:11.570 --> 00:13:16.960 Yes, all the time. Huh, frequently do you? Sarah? 176 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.360 You go take care of that that not at midnight. We do have a 177 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.039 cutoff for that for safety reasons. But Sarah and I joke that we spend 178 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.509 every holiday together because it never fails on Christmas Eve or New Year's Eve we 179 00:13:28.590 --> 00:13:33.269 get a call and she and I end up spending holidays and weekends after hours 180 00:13:33.309 --> 00:13:35.269 together. Right and if it's really late, we always make one of our 181 00:13:35.309 --> 00:13:39.830 husband's come with us. So yeah, Dane's my security a lot of times. 182 00:13:39.750 --> 00:13:43.259 So the information is so I just just googled on my phone. I'm 183 00:13:43.259 --> 00:13:48.779 sure if people google abortion peel reversal, it's just abortion peel reversalcom. You 184 00:13:48.860 --> 00:13:52.419 know, take them directly to the information they need. In the number is 185 00:13:52.860 --> 00:13:54.659 eight, seven, seven, five, five. Eight hundredzero, three, 186 00:13:54.929 --> 00:13:58.169 three, three, and that's the number that these MOMS would call into eats 187 00:13:58.529 --> 00:14:01.970 and that they would get connected with a person who would ultimately get them connected 188 00:14:03.009 --> 00:14:07.210 rights, connected with you. So walk us through real quick then, if 189 00:14:07.250 --> 00:14:09.450 you can. I think we've already talked a little bit about it, but 190 00:14:09.529 --> 00:14:11.879 when somebody calls, I get in touch with you, you go to they 191 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.840 meet you at the center. What what's the first thing you do? Well, 192 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:18.720 the first thing we really feel like we need to do is something that 193 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.639 we would do for any patient that walk through our clinic. We want to 194 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:28.429 do a full assessment of their needs, their their social situation, because we 195 00:14:28.590 --> 00:14:33.830 know that that woman didn't just take the abortion pill because she felt like it 196 00:14:33.990 --> 00:14:37.070 was a great day to take an abortion pill. She took it for a 197 00:14:37.149 --> 00:14:43.460 reason. These women have abortions because they're desperate, they're scared, they're hopeless. 198 00:14:43.620 --> 00:14:46.940 So we really want to make sure we know what her challenges and her 199 00:14:46.980 --> 00:14:50.779 struggles are. So we have one of our counselors meet with her and do 200 00:14:50.860 --> 00:14:54.129 an assessment of that situation. We do a pregnancy test and then I do 201 00:14:54.210 --> 00:14:58.809 an ultrasound to show her that baby in her womb okay, and you know, 202 00:14:58.889 --> 00:15:01.330 that's kind of where we all hold her breath and just pray that that 203 00:15:01.330 --> 00:15:05.090 baby still has a heartbeat. Yeah, because that's one of our biggest indicators 204 00:15:05.169 --> 00:15:09.399 of if the abortion pill reversal is going to be successful or not, if 205 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.919 is that baby still alive. Yeah, and then, you know, after 206 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.879 that, if the baby is still alive, then we will get her started 207 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.360 on progesterone immediately. Every center is different. That our center we like to 208 00:15:22.190 --> 00:15:26.309 do a two part process. We do an injection first and then we send 209 00:15:26.309 --> 00:15:28.029 her home with oral medication to take. Okay, yes, one of the 210 00:15:28.029 --> 00:15:33.309 questions I was going to ask because I know with one of the other pregnancy 211 00:15:33.309 --> 00:15:37.500 centers, with help pregnancy center, they do just oral medications and then, 212 00:15:37.860 --> 00:15:41.700 like you said, each pregnancy centers different. Each has their own medical directors 213 00:15:41.860 --> 00:15:45.820 decide different things and example that. So, yeah, all right, I 214 00:15:45.820 --> 00:15:50.370 appreciate you touching on that. Yeah, I'm really actually blessed to have just 215 00:15:50.730 --> 00:15:54.250 such a great network of doctors here locally that we work with. Yeah, 216 00:15:54.529 --> 00:15:58.570 we work, I work personally with Cobarras Women Center, who also has a 217 00:15:58.889 --> 00:16:03.559 location in the university area called You City Women Center. In our medical director 218 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.919 they are is Dr Russell Suita. He's just a great guy to work with, 219 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:12.200 and also work for help pregnancy center in Monroe with Dr Matthew Harrison, 220 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:19.830 also excellent doctor to work with, and they just are so available for our 221 00:16:19.870 --> 00:16:25.350 patients and just really want to make sure we have the ability to take care 222 00:16:25.389 --> 00:16:29.990 of these women the best we can. So very blessed to work with them 223 00:16:30.149 --> 00:16:32.590 well. You know, I think it would be great for you to tell 224 00:16:32.629 --> 00:16:37.139 us a story that that folks can can really understand in true life what it 225 00:16:37.259 --> 00:16:41.899 what has happened, if you could. I know we've shared some great abortion 226 00:16:41.980 --> 00:16:45.299 for reversal story. So is there some that stick in your mind? Is 227 00:16:45.379 --> 00:16:48.730 maybe just walk us through what that was like and change the name, but 228 00:16:48.889 --> 00:16:52.330 tell us, tell us about that, that woman situation and and her abortion 229 00:16:52.570 --> 00:16:57.289 reversal story. I think one of my favorite ones is actually one that we 230 00:16:57.409 --> 00:17:02.080 did together, Vicki. Her name is Maria, okay, I'll go with 231 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:06.480 that, and you know, she had come to the abortion clinic and immediately 232 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:10.880 regretted her decision, but she actually couldn't get to us. She was at 233 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.559 work and couldn't get away and, like I said, we're so honored to 234 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.230 work with people who will bend over backwards to help women and say babies, 235 00:17:19.269 --> 00:17:25.670 and our director said, well, we have a mobile ultrasound machine, put 236 00:17:25.710 --> 00:17:26.829 it in the back of your car and we can go to her. And 237 00:17:26.950 --> 00:17:33.940 so me and you and Kelly Byrom, our medical director, packed up and 238 00:17:33.059 --> 00:17:38.380 we drove to Maria's house. And what we drove a few places, because 239 00:17:38.420 --> 00:17:41.740 I recall we were kind of chasing her all over the city because of where 240 00:17:41.779 --> 00:17:45.609 she was working. Or we went to it the pregnancy resourcener, because I 241 00:17:45.650 --> 00:17:49.690 remember I logged a hundred miles that day drive in after Maria, we went 242 00:17:49.849 --> 00:17:55.569 to help pregnancy center in Monroe and she wasn't what maybe did? She got 243 00:17:55.650 --> 00:17:56.970 she was going to be able to come, but she actually wasn't able to 244 00:17:57.049 --> 00:18:02.160 come and we knew that she was fairly early in her pregnancy and we really 245 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:06.000 felt like we needed to get her started on progester and right away. So, 246 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.599 yeah, we ended up packing up and going to her and I remember 247 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:15.710 her boyfriend was just so thankful and shocked that we would do something like that 248 00:18:15.990 --> 00:18:19.670 just to save their baby. And you know, we went and we did 249 00:18:19.710 --> 00:18:25.109 the ultrasound and we got her the medication and then she came back the next 250 00:18:25.150 --> 00:18:29.859 day and met us very early in the morning on a Sunday morning, and 251 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:33.019 we were able to you know, just make sure her baby was okay. 252 00:18:33.059 --> 00:18:37.619 Right, and we were all I think it was. It was over the 253 00:18:37.779 --> 00:18:42.170 recommended or right on the borderline of the recommended number of hours after she had 254 00:18:42.250 --> 00:18:48.089 taken the pill. So I remember I went home that night and prepared two 255 00:18:48.170 --> 00:18:52.769 different scenario. was telling me two different ways to share the Gospel, one 256 00:18:52.809 --> 00:18:56.599 if the baby died and one if the baby was still alive. And Praise 257 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.559 God, when we saw that heartbeat, we did a dance for joy. 258 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:03.240 Did. Yeah, it was. Remember how far long she was? She 259 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:07.200 was around seven weeks, I think. Okay, so she's pretty early. 260 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.309 Yeah, and I remember just the sense of urgency thinking, yeah, I 261 00:19:11.509 --> 00:19:15.509 have to get her taking care of today, which is why we did a 262 00:19:15.589 --> 00:19:18.789 wild goose chase. But right. And I remember when you did share the 263 00:19:18.869 --> 00:19:22.069 Gospel with her and just that Sama and and the boyfriend, boy, they 264 00:19:22.109 --> 00:19:25.859 were both there. Yeah, right, her and her boyfriend both were there 265 00:19:25.940 --> 00:19:30.619 and I just remember them just being so thankful and just kind of, you 266 00:19:30.700 --> 00:19:34.059 know, explaining that free gift that Jesus gave and the second chance that they've 267 00:19:34.099 --> 00:19:38.369 been given and them just looking each other and like why wouldn't we turned our 268 00:19:38.609 --> 00:19:42.809 was so incredible. Yeah, and they both not only saved their little baby, 269 00:19:42.970 --> 00:19:47.690 yeah, little baby boy now, but they both surrender their lives to 270 00:19:47.730 --> 00:19:51.609 Jesus and they ended up getting married because they were so convicted by the truth 271 00:19:51.650 --> 00:19:53.720 of the Gospel that they said we but we can't, we can't live together 272 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.480 and sin. They went and got married. They went got married and the 273 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:02.519 last I heard from them they were doing well. They're beautiful baby picture. 274 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:06.160 Yeah, we have on the wall were picture alone. Obviously those were listening 275 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:10.230 to the podcast. Yeah, we have her picture holding her little baby boy 276 00:20:10.390 --> 00:20:11.990 on the wall here, just as a celebration of what the Lord did in 277 00:20:12.069 --> 00:20:17.910 that story. I think that was my first time seen an actual abortion pill 278 00:20:17.950 --> 00:20:22.339 reversal success and it was. It was an incredible experience. Yeah. Well, 279 00:20:22.460 --> 00:20:27.579 you know, praise God for the successes in sidewalk counseling and any kind 280 00:20:27.579 --> 00:20:32.299 of ministry. We praise God for the successes, but there are also sometimes 281 00:20:32.420 --> 00:20:37.809 what seems like defeats. I mean seventy percent effective, praise God it's that 282 00:20:37.890 --> 00:20:41.569 effective, but it's not always effective. Right. There are some moms that 283 00:20:41.769 --> 00:20:45.849 lose their babies. They regret taking that abortion pell they wish they could undo 284 00:20:45.930 --> 00:20:48.450 what they did. They get to you, they start doing the abortion peel 285 00:20:48.490 --> 00:20:53.480 reversal regiment and for whatever reason it doesn't work. Yeah, how do you 286 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.200 deal with those situations? I mean they're I know there's no cut and dry 287 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.799 easy way to do it. Obviously we need the Holy Spirit to help us, 288 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.950 but there are stories like that and how do you how do you deal 289 00:21:04.029 --> 00:21:08.269 with that, from a medical perspective, but also from a just practical relational 290 00:21:08.349 --> 00:21:11.069 perspective with them? Yeah, like, what do you say to them? 291 00:21:11.150 --> 00:21:18.740 Yes, yeah, I'm listening. Yeah, well, it's definitely something, 292 00:21:18.779 --> 00:21:22.259 unfortunately, that I have had to do several times. But for me personally, 293 00:21:22.539 --> 00:21:26.779 I just know that we have all fallen short of the glory of God. 294 00:21:26.859 --> 00:21:30.460 We've all sinned, we've all messed up, and you know what I 295 00:21:30.619 --> 00:21:36.809 normally tell these people are I've sinned and you send big time. Yeah, 296 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:40.650 and there are consequences to our sin. You know, just because we say 297 00:21:40.809 --> 00:21:45.809 we're sorry and we repent doesn't mean that we don't have to pay consequences. 298 00:21:45.890 --> 00:21:51.079 Sometimes, we did everything we could to save your little baby, but unfortunately 299 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:55.799 this baby wasn't strong enough to withstand the effects of that first medication and, 300 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:03.910 you know, just coming at it, you know, imploring them to rely 301 00:22:03.029 --> 00:22:07.269 on God for strength, yeah, for forgiveness. Yeah, and you kind 302 00:22:07.269 --> 00:22:14.470 of have to counsel both from like a post abortive aspect and from a miscarriage 303 00:22:14.470 --> 00:22:18.299 aspect, because they've gone from intentionally ending the life of their child to do 304 00:22:18.380 --> 00:22:22.819 it in everything in their power as a mother to save their child. They've 305 00:22:22.859 --> 00:22:29.259 had a complete change of heart and you really have to it's a unique situation. 306 00:22:29.619 --> 00:22:30.930 Absolutely. Yeah, and, like you said, you have to allow 307 00:22:30.970 --> 00:22:33.890 on the Holy Spirit to give you the words to say to them. I've 308 00:22:33.970 --> 00:22:37.809 held many a woman while they wept. Yeah, over you know, the 309 00:22:37.930 --> 00:22:41.609 consequences of their actions. They've said, you know, the Lord is punishing 310 00:22:41.690 --> 00:22:47.240 me, I don't deserve this baby, and you just have to try to 311 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:49.920 your best to minister to them and where they are. Every woman's different. 312 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:55.200 Yeah, yeah, it is it. They have done something that is positive. 313 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.509 They have tried their hardest to save that baby and I imagine that there 314 00:22:59.670 --> 00:23:06.589 can be at least a little bit better emotional outcome knowing that at least they 315 00:23:06.670 --> 00:23:11.109 did at that point they had turned back to God and done everything that they 316 00:23:11.190 --> 00:23:15.140 could just save the baby. Hasn't to say it is sort of a unique 317 00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:21.859 scenario we're in that they're, like you said, they're doing everything that they 318 00:23:21.940 --> 00:23:25.619 can to say that Babe. To me it has to at least in some 319 00:23:25.819 --> 00:23:30.089 way satisfy some of that regrets. And you know that's some of the conversations, 320 00:23:30.089 --> 00:23:33.809 because you you had in one of your questions. You're talking about the 321 00:23:33.849 --> 00:23:36.130 pro abortion people and some of the things they say. They say this is 322 00:23:36.329 --> 00:23:40.329 fake or whatever, and I've had conversations with pro abortion people on the sidewalks 323 00:23:40.410 --> 00:23:44.319 and your bortion reversal thing is fake and all of this, and I don't 324 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:47.079 respond to that a lot of times, but sometimes I have responded and say, 325 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:48.319 well, you know, it's not fake. It actually works. And 326 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:52.920 why would you if you're against if you're for choice, why would you be 327 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:56.990 against them choosing to do this? Yeah, and they've already gotten the money. 328 00:23:56.990 --> 00:24:00.589 Yeah, and we know women regret abortions. Isn't it a good thing 329 00:24:00.710 --> 00:24:03.309 that they're at least able in some way try to satisfy those regrets? You 330 00:24:03.390 --> 00:24:07.789 know, and we I just think that it has to be. It has 331 00:24:07.869 --> 00:24:11.339 to be, has to be good for them to be able to do something. 332 00:24:11.380 --> 00:24:15.940 You talk about empowering women, that they've empowered themselves to try to go 333 00:24:15.299 --> 00:24:18.339 back on what they've done. You know. Yeah, and I mean it's 334 00:24:18.339 --> 00:24:23.690 not like you're they're coming to you and you're deceiving them and not telling them 335 00:24:23.809 --> 00:24:27.329 of the statistics, if not telling them what the risks are, right. 336 00:24:27.369 --> 00:24:30.609 I mean that's part of your initial assessment, right. I don't want to 337 00:24:30.650 --> 00:24:34.890 give anyone false hope, yeah, or, you know, expectations that can't 338 00:24:34.890 --> 00:24:37.720 be met. Yeah, I can't see this. Access is not going to 339 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.559 save every baby. There are going to be babies that still die. Yeah, 340 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:47.000 and babies die from miscarriage, unfortunately. Yeah, there's many reasons why 341 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:52.240 women can't carry babies to term, but if I can offer them a second 342 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:56.269 chance, then I think why would you want to take that away from somebody 343 00:24:56.269 --> 00:24:59.390 or not let them know? Yeah, that option right. Yeah, I 344 00:24:59.589 --> 00:25:03.470 mean that's that'd be my thinking. Yeah, how have do you understand? 345 00:25:04.309 --> 00:25:08.819 Because I don't why people, like so many people that we meet out that 346 00:25:08.859 --> 00:25:14.259 are the pro choice, people that at the sidebook, why would they not 347 00:25:14.579 --> 00:25:18.140 want us to offer that information or help? I mean, honestly, I 348 00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:22.569 think it's just like your side versus my side. This is a pro life 349 00:25:22.289 --> 00:25:26.890 initiative. They're going to be against it no matter what we say. Even 350 00:25:26.930 --> 00:25:32.930 if I gave them every article under the sun that says that every doctor in 351 00:25:33.009 --> 00:25:37.799 America recommends this, I think they would probably still not like it. Yeah, 352 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.839 because it's from the pro life side. Yeah, so there's no basis 353 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.079 in them saying this is fake. It's, you know, this is still, 354 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.799 quote unquote, and experimental procedures. It's not approved by the FDA, 355 00:25:49.190 --> 00:25:56.910 it's not sanctioned by the American Medical Association. We do have some Obie doctors 356 00:25:56.910 --> 00:26:02.069 who are not okay with this. Yeah, because it's not been, you 357 00:26:02.150 --> 00:26:04.460 know, researched very long. It's still, like I said, in an 358 00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:08.460 experimental procedure. Is there any downside to it, though? Is there anything 359 00:26:08.660 --> 00:26:12.740 that that could harm the woman? There are, I mean, like I 360 00:26:12.819 --> 00:26:18.930 said earlier, this medication is used widely for women who have preterm labor and 361 00:26:19.170 --> 00:26:25.609 frequent miscarriages. It's the same exact medication. Okay, it comes nausea, 362 00:26:25.769 --> 00:26:29.410 just room right. Yes, progesteron is a naturally clearing hormone that's in our 363 00:26:29.450 --> 00:26:33.960 body anyway. Right. I mean it can cause increase nause like I said, 364 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:38.640 headaches, fatigue, dizziness, but other than that, I mean there's 365 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:45.319 not any increased birth defects with it. So I don't know why. Yeah, 366 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.509 but you know, one of the the very hypocritical things not to be 367 00:26:48.589 --> 00:26:52.029 Labor this point too long. But I've had conversations with pro choice people that 368 00:26:52.109 --> 00:26:53.589 say that's fake and I'll ask him. Do you even know what the abortion 369 00:26:53.630 --> 00:26:57.069 peel reversal is? Many don't, but if if they do, they say 370 00:26:57.109 --> 00:27:00.819 what's Pagestro and pogesterone has this and this this side effects. Well, so 371 00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:04.140 there's the abortion pill. Yeah, and it's not being approved by the FDA. 372 00:27:04.299 --> 00:27:08.619 So it's not been very long that that. CIDEOTECH, which is the 373 00:27:08.660 --> 00:27:14.019 second medication, has been improved to induce labor. And they because it was 374 00:27:14.059 --> 00:27:17.529 a stomach medication first. Well, use it was for stomach ulcers. Yes, 375 00:27:17.809 --> 00:27:22.170 so a lot of drugs that are used nowadays are using experimental ways and 376 00:27:22.289 --> 00:27:26.930 not they're all label uses. So that's not really a very good argument against 377 00:27:26.009 --> 00:27:30.000 this thing. I think it is exactly what you said. It's this us 378 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.440 against them dynamic comes from the pro lifeside. Has To be horrible, you 379 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.240 know, and it's just yes, the way. I think they also think 380 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.759 that we manipulate these women into making this decision and make them feel so bad 381 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.150 that they're guilt ridden and then, you know, we forced them to do 382 00:27:45.349 --> 00:27:48.589 this to ease their consciences, which is not true at all. Well, 383 00:27:48.710 --> 00:27:52.750 the bulk of the time it's people that have not stopped and talked with us. 384 00:27:52.869 --> 00:27:56.230 It's people that have gone home. That Maria actually researched it herself when 385 00:27:56.390 --> 00:28:00.259 not sure she heard it from us. Yeah, I think they went home 386 00:28:00.339 --> 00:28:03.500 and looked it up on the sactly. Yeah, yeah, we're thankfully now 387 00:28:03.779 --> 00:28:07.099 Google, if you search, can I reverse the abortion peo? Yeah, 388 00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:11.420 the APR website comes up like on the top. That's awesome, which is 389 00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:17.329 fantastic. Yeah, so, while this is not the happiest, probably part 390 00:28:17.329 --> 00:28:19.809 of your experience. But how about when things don't work out? You have 391 00:28:19.930 --> 00:28:26.400 a story of a sad outcome with APR? I do have several of that 392 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.039 stick out in my mind, but I think one of the saddest was a 393 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:34.319 young lady who had waited probably a little too long to come in and call 394 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:41.309 and she ended up coming in I was getting ready to do her ultrasound and 395 00:28:41.869 --> 00:28:45.990 she was doing the pregnancy test in the bathroom and she just started wailing and 396 00:28:47.069 --> 00:28:51.710 so I went to check on her and she was actually miscarrying into our our 397 00:28:51.789 --> 00:28:56.380 toilet and our center, and I ended up just holding her while she miscarried 398 00:28:56.420 --> 00:29:03.660 her little baby into the bathroom toilet and she just wept and wept and sobbed 399 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:06.819 and said, I would have done this at home by myself if you wouldn't 400 00:29:06.819 --> 00:29:10.089 have been here with me. Exactly. So in that situation, it just 401 00:29:10.170 --> 00:29:14.450 gave me an opportunity to be there with her, to hold her while she 402 00:29:14.609 --> 00:29:18.210 did that, and also us to just share the gospel with her. She 403 00:29:18.410 --> 00:29:22.250 was broken, she was hurting, she was helped, you know, hopeless, 404 00:29:23.009 --> 00:29:27.519 and she needed Jesus. Yeah, so bad. So in that situation, 405 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:32.039 as you held her, you didn't whisper in her ear you're going to 406 00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.799 the lake of fire. I did not. Yeah, we've talked about that 407 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.109 in our podcast. We talked about balancing grace and truth. Yeah, you 408 00:29:38.190 --> 00:29:41.869 know, Jesus, the Bible says he doesn't Quinch a smoking flax, nor 409 00:29:41.950 --> 00:29:45.789 break a Bruise Reeve. When someone's already broken, you don't need to add 410 00:29:45.829 --> 00:29:48.589 more to it. But the Gospel does need to be shared, right. 411 00:29:48.630 --> 00:29:52.140 I mean there's there's a realization, and I don't think you even had to 412 00:29:52.220 --> 00:29:55.940 tell her you killed your child, like you right, took part in this. 413 00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:59.420 She already knew that. But yeah, just to come in, because 414 00:29:59.420 --> 00:30:02.980 at that point what happens? Either the devil gets ahold of her. Look 415 00:30:03.019 --> 00:30:04.779 what you've done, there's no salvation for you. You can never be redeemed 416 00:30:04.819 --> 00:30:07.650 all of this, or the Lord gets ahold offer and says, come to 417 00:30:07.730 --> 00:30:11.329 me, yes, you've sinned, but I'm a savior, you know, 418 00:30:11.809 --> 00:30:15.170 and that's awesome that you were there in that story. So that's a sad 419 00:30:15.210 --> 00:30:18.809 story, but it's also a redeeming story. Yeah, and God's a redeemer. 420 00:30:18.849 --> 00:30:22.319 Yeah, and I just think of all the other women who have been 421 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.400 sit home, sent home, and done the exact same thing alone. Yeah, 422 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:33.119 and and been left to be hopeless. And that's when you hear of, 423 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.029 you know, women who deal with depression, post abortion and and suicide 424 00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:41.750 and drug abuse and alcohol abuse. Yeah, it's because of what they've been 425 00:30:41.950 --> 00:30:45.829 through and what they've seen and they have to, you know, numb that 426 00:30:45.950 --> 00:30:48.430 memory in some way. So, yeah, it that's exactly where my thoughts 427 00:30:48.430 --> 00:30:55.579 when is all the abortion. Minded determined women who then go through with the 428 00:30:55.660 --> 00:30:59.740 abortion and so many have regret. I believe at some point in that life 429 00:30:59.859 --> 00:31:03.569 all will. Yeah, but they're they have bought into a lie and there's 430 00:31:03.609 --> 00:31:10.369 no one there to comfort them. Yeah, yeah, praise God. You 431 00:31:10.450 --> 00:31:14.569 know, God is a redeemer. God is a god of second chances, 432 00:31:15.049 --> 00:31:18.559 and US just talking about this on the Gospel Center pro life podcast, talking 433 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.839 about the redemption. The even come within the midst of an abortion pill and 434 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:29.480 then the second chance to be able to reverse that is that's that's God inspired. 435 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.720 You think about Dr Matten, him seeking God and pray and say what 436 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:34.190 do I do in the situation, and God drops us in his heart's just 437 00:31:34.349 --> 00:31:37.589 like the Lord to be a redeemer like that. It's just like the Lord 438 00:31:37.670 --> 00:31:41.430 and that woman situation to have someone there. It's just like the Lord and 439 00:31:41.789 --> 00:31:45.670 Maria situation that have you guys come and meet her and do that abortion peal 440 00:31:45.750 --> 00:31:49.339 reversal. So I think with that, well, you've covered all the bases 441 00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:52.220 I wanted to cover with this. Anything else you wanted to mention in Courtney, 442 00:31:52.420 --> 00:31:56.779 before we wrap this thing up? No, just if you are a 443 00:31:56.940 --> 00:32:00.450 pregnancy center or a doctor that wants to be involved, or even a nurse 444 00:32:00.529 --> 00:32:04.930 that wants to learn how to get involved with this. You can go to 445 00:32:05.009 --> 00:32:08.130 heartbeat international dot organ they will, they would be they would love to talk 446 00:32:08.250 --> 00:32:12.369 with you and share with you how you can get involved. Yeah, we 447 00:32:12.490 --> 00:32:16.039 need, like I said, we have providers, over five hundred medical providers 448 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:20.799 in the country, but they're going international with this. We want this available 449 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.039 everywhere, and the more it's available, the more readily accepted it'll be, 450 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:30.470 and that is endorsements from these big Ama and FDA will come. Yeah, 451 00:32:30.670 --> 00:32:32.630 yeah, let me ask you. I do you have one more question. 452 00:32:32.670 --> 00:32:37.430 I think you do know the answer to this. How how many, approximately, 453 00:32:37.630 --> 00:32:43.029 how many successful abortion pill reversals have there been, either in our state 454 00:32:43.150 --> 00:32:45.019 nationwide? Would what? Do you have any of those numbers? I don't 455 00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:50.380 have statewide, but an heartbeat does collect data and we try to, you 456 00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:53.740 know, collect statistics so that we can, like I said, validate this 457 00:32:53.980 --> 00:33:00.130 procedure right in sciences eyes, and I think the last I saw was over 458 00:33:00.210 --> 00:33:04.849 a thousand babies have been born amazing as a you know, successfully after this 459 00:33:05.049 --> 00:33:09.329 procedure. Yeah, just hearing that number and hearing that the the pro choice 460 00:33:09.369 --> 00:33:14.240 group says that all women don't regret an abortion. Well, that number immediately 461 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.920 puts the light of the Destin't it? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, thank 462 00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:21.960 you for coming and sharing. You're welcome. We really you. Means you 463 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.279 have been my favorite guests? Yeah, but that we've had some good ones. 464 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:29.390 We have, but we barely appreciate what you do. It is awesome. 465 00:33:29.630 --> 00:33:31.990 Yeah, Amen, it is awesome. All right, guys. Well, 466 00:33:32.069 --> 00:33:36.349 we appreciate you listening to the Gospel Center per life podcast. We appreciate 467 00:33:36.390 --> 00:33:39.470 if you guys would share this a share it with friends that work in pregnancy 468 00:33:39.549 --> 00:33:43.220 centers, share it with other people who are sidewalk counselors, people are not. 469 00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:45.259 Just share with all your friends and family. Go to our website, 470 00:33:45.859 --> 00:33:51.460 www dot sidewalks for life, sidewalks number four, lifecom, where we put 471 00:33:51.500 --> 00:33:53.259 out articles on a regular basis. Of course, you can check in on 472 00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:57.650 our website, Charlotte dot cities for Life Dot Org, here locally. 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