What If They Are Lying?

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:05.120 I've had people stop in the driveway and make up a pretty extravagant lie and 2 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:08.400 I ask myself, why don't they just keep driving in a normal it's because 3 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:14.640 of guilt. That's why I am yours, I am yours, I am 4 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:21.000 yours, and me Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm 5 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:26.039 welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast, a podcast design to equip, 6 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:30.600 encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on 7 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:39.640 the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. 8 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:48.799 Use Me. Welcome back to the Gospel Centered Prolife podcast. 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I work with love life as the regional shepherd of the 23 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:56.959 West Coast, so oversee our efforts on the west coast and also have an 24 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:01.439 expertise with air quotes in sidewalk out reach ministry. been doing sidewalk out reach 25 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:07.120 for about a little over fifteen years now and with me often times, is 26 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:12.280 a matter of fact, almost all the time, is Vicky cassie Org and 27 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.000 so introduce yourself. Say Hey, hey, there and Vicky. I've been 28 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:21.199 on the sidewalk only nine years. Yeah, so not not nearly as experienced 29 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:24.199 or an expert as Daniel Parks. Yeah, I don't know that. I 30 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:30.800 think probably more and of an expert in this realm of ministry than I am. 31 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:38.039 But together we, I think, form a dynamic duo in encouraging people 32 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:42.479 and equipping people in sidewalk out reach ministry, which is what we intend to 33 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.080 do with this episode. And maybe, if your brand new to sidewalk out 34 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:51.520 reach ministry, this subject is going to be a little unique, maybe a 35 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:54.479 little strange, like why would we be talking about this? But we're talking 36 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:58.560 about this because it's a common thing. And so what are we talking about? 37 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.560 We're talking about what if the MOM that you've stopped is lying? You 38 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:05.800 know she's lying, you can tell she's lying. What do you do? 39 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:07.240 How do you deal with that? And that actually was a question one of 40 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:12.439 our councilors asked because, like you said, it happens all the time. 41 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:16.080 Yeah, they're they're, you know, ashamed of what they're doing there, 42 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:21.599 and so we here lies all the time. And how do we get our 43 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.520 message across, God's message across, if we know that they're lying? Yeah, 44 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:29.319 yeah, which, again is a common scenario. A woman's pulling into 45 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.599 the abortion center or walking up to the abortion center, you stop to give 46 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:38.360 them information. Are you here for an abortion? And right away the lie 47 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:40.000 could come out. No, I'm not here for that, and that is 48 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.719 a very common scenario. Actually, no, I'm not here for that. 49 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.080 Now you'd be surprised at how many of them would actually say, yes, 50 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.879 I'm here for an abortion, right. And so, yeah, we're going 51 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.240 to talk about how you cut through that, how you cut through the lies 52 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:58.520 and get right to the truth, some ways maybe to detect that they're lying 53 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:00.800 to you. We're going to we're going to help people, Vicki, to 54 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.159 be lie detectors. Yeah, WE'RE gonna. We're going to be able to 55 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:08.199 quit them to do that. Will be able to equip them to some degree. 56 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.360 Okay, it is easier if you're at a facility like the one we 57 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.400 are at here at Latrobe, because all they do here is abortions, and 58 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:15.839 that's that's often the first thing I'll say when they say, Oh, I'm 59 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.720 not here for an abortion. I'll say, oh well, that's all they 60 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:23.319 do here. Yeah, and and then they kind of turn all read and 61 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.600 right. Yeah, you can't do that if it's a plan parenthood, because 62 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:30.680 you do do other things besides abortion. Yes, they do. So, 63 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:34.839 but we will give some ideas for how to expose lies. Sometimes exposing the 64 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:39.439 lie is actually not the best strategy, right. Is is what we have 65 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:44.120 found him. We're going to talk about that right, but I mean exposing 66 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.720 the fact that you know that they're lying, without directly calling them a liar, 67 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:53.399 is sometimes very positive because it's biblical. The Bible says the truth will 68 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:59.800 set you free, not lies. Lies will only sin hides in darkness. 69 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:03.680 Right. So there are definitely important points at which lies should be exposed. 70 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:08.160 Yeah, so, so, yeah, we want to help you in this 71 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:13.360 article. We have an accompanying article, as we usually do, but we 72 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:19.360 want to we want to help you know when it is important to expose a 73 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:28.079 lie and and at what point in a conversation it is important to expose a 74 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.839 lie. And then, really, thirdly, how to expose a lie? 75 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.079 Yeah, yeah, that that's in fact where we start. Really, how 76 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:38.959 do we how do we expose yeah, lies, let's let's jump into it. 77 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.600 How do we expose these lies? Now I would say, first and 78 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:47.480 foremost, people who are going to kill their children. For them, lying 79 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.720 is not a far leap, right, so that at all. We want 80 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:55.839 to believe the best, right, and we understand these women are in fear 81 00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:00.839 and people try to protect themselves as a human mechanism. When we're fraid, 82 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.199 right, we do things to help protect ourselves, and so sometimes we lie, 83 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:08.079 at least can be tempted to lie. We're trying to protect ourselves, 84 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:11.600 but just be aware. Again, we want to believe the best, but 85 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.240 be aware that it's very likely the woman that you stop is going to lie 86 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.720 to you in some way. Yeah, it's not a good thing, I 87 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:24.199 will just say right right away. and talking about exposing lies, to say 88 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.959 you're lying, right, that's that's that will not the most. We help 89 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:31.160 the conversation to continue. Yeah, yeah, and so how do we expose 90 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:34.800 those lives? Yeah, I think we have said this so many times. 91 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:41.160 One of the very best counseling techniques ask questions. Yeah, usually the lie 92 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:45.639 will be exposed. They will trip themselves up because it's hard to keep a 93 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:50.040 whole series of flies right going. So if you ask a lot of questions, 94 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:55.959 you don't even need to say you've been that you've been caught in a 95 00:06:56.000 --> 00:07:00.920 lie. Yeah, at some point there's going to be a contradiction and I 96 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:08.399 will sometimes just let that contradiction sit there right, because they I they know 97 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:12.920 that I now know, yeah, that they're lying. And if I'm still 98 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:17.560 gentle compassionate, still offering help, and hope I've just gotten some Brownie points 99 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:25.879 right in relationship building and and they are not able to continue in that lie 100 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:30.160 and they will sometimes just switch then into telling me the truth. Usually it 101 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.800 goes from Oh, I'm not here for an abortion to I can't have this 102 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:39.120 baby. There there are really there are really important reasons, yeah, for 103 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:43.839 why I can't have the child. Right. So, some of the questions 104 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.800 that I don't know if that's a technique that you use. Yeah, absolutely 105 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:50.839 nice. But yeah, and like you, I'm not going to just point 106 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:55.399 out when I see a blatant contradiction or a lie. Yeah, and just 107 00:07:55.439 --> 00:08:00.920 point culture you're yea, do you you're lying. I'll just be gracious and 108 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.959 I'll just keep going right for the truth. You, in the scenario where 109 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:09.399 a woman's coming to the abortion center, I can tell because the the demeanor 110 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.360 on her face, I can tell because of the fear in her eyes, 111 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.639 I can tell because of the way that she's dressed. If she's dressed in 112 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:20.560 loose fitting clothing and she's going to a medical facility, she's probably going for 113 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:26.240 a surgical procedure. And so even if she would say something to the effect 114 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.959 of I'm not here for that, I'm still going to keep speaking like she 115 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:31.840 is yeah, I'm still going to keep I'm just going to roll with it, 116 00:08:31.919 --> 00:08:35.320 right, and put it in the Lord's hands. Yeah, I'm not 117 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.600 going to call her a liar, but I'm going to if I if all 118 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.559 the other indications, rather than what she is saying, indicate that she's there 119 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:46.159 for an abortion. I'm going to keep talking about the three talking points with 120 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.840 God says, manage you every baby and the resources that are available. Yeah, 121 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.120 you've just said, but I believe is probably the most important point of 122 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:56.840 the whole this whole topic. Yeah, is no matter whether they're lying or 123 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:01.519 not, no matter whether the lie has been exposed, you're not use stay 124 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.639 focused on getting out the information that you would have gotten out anyway. So, 125 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:09.120 for example, they'll sometimes say I'm here for a friend. I'll often 126 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.039 hear that I was not for me. I'm picking someone up and and they're 127 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.159 not it is for them. Well then I'll still hand them the information and 128 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.240 say, can you give this to your friend? Let me tell you what 129 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.039 we do. Yeah, and then I speak as though I'm speaking for the 130 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:28.120 things will do for the friend, but I'm giving her all the information I 131 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:33.200 would have given her anyway. But so some of the questions that that I 132 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:37.000 might ask just in case someone struggling with this like, well, what do 133 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.879 we ask? What do we ask that help to expose the lie? Did 134 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:46.519 you know that this Phillis facility does abortions? Because right away you're like opening 135 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.120 up the fact that we suspect that they are there. Right, we're an 136 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:56.840 abortion. Here's one and I have heard this a lot for people driving into 137 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:00.440 Plant parenthood. They'll say, oh, she's just getting birth control pills. 138 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.679 Sometimes we'll hear that from the father, or or she's just having a pep 139 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:09.279 smere. Yeah, and then we can ask, well, why does she 140 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:11.919 need you? FOR MORAL SUPPORT? Yeah, for she's just here for if 141 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.720 she's just control exactly. It doesn't make any sense if they're coming there with 142 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:22.240 with a driver. Right, are you married to her? Is a good 143 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.799 question because, and the reason that's a good question, I think. Maybe 144 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:28.440 not the first question I would ask for sure, but it's one of the 145 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:33.399 questions. Is it points out they'll say, Oh, I'm a Christian. 146 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.039 Yeah, that's when I that's when I say it usually is when they they 147 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:39.120 oh, I would never do that, I'm a Christian. Right. Oh, 148 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.480 is that your wife? Right, yeah, pointing out that if you're 149 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:48.720 a Christian and you're having sex outside of marriage, then obviously you're not a 150 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:52.759 consistent Christian, consistent with the Bible teaches. Yeah, which I think is 151 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.639 a very important point to join out. You're planning seeds, right. Yeah, 152 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:01.799 the conviction of the Holy Spirit can come. And even if they're lying 153 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.639 about going in for an abortion, right, but they're the conviction of the 154 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:09.039 Holy Spirit comes because of their sex outside of marriage. It can just it 155 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:13.840 brings the knowledge of God into the equation. It brings the truth of God, 156 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.720 it brings God's standards into the equation, which ultimately, hopefully translates into 157 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:22.919 God's standard not just about sex outside of marriage but about murder. Right. 158 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:26.919 Yeah, and you can, you can actually start a little talk about sexual 159 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.399 purity before the Lord through that one question. If they say I am not 160 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.879 married, well, and you don't have to say it in a judgmental or 161 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.240 condemning way. Oh, did did you know? Do you know how the 162 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:41.440 Bible speaks? Yeah, that oftentimes I'll say no and then I I'll pull 163 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.320 some verses. Yeah, so as we're talking about what if they're lying? 164 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:48.480 Yeah, a lot of the scenarios that we encounter, some of them are 165 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:52.639 the women actually going into the abortion center, but many of them are the 166 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:54.960 boyfriend or the friend, as you guys can come to detect, and the 167 00:11:56.039 --> 00:12:00.039 questions that were asking, not the woman. We're asking these questions to a 168 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.200 least not all of these questions. Sometimes, again, it's the boyfriend of 169 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.240 the husband or the friend or family member or whatever. Right. And so 170 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:11.600 I think with all of the things that we do, as far as reaching 171 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.960 out of the abortion centers or whether it be signs, calling out, handing 172 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.240 out literature, facetoface, conversations one on one, car side, whatever, 173 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.679 all of those things are relationship building, right, and so we're building a 174 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.799 relationship. That's why we don't want to immediately point out your liar. It's 175 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.200 good to help kind of bring those lies to the surface so you can cut 176 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.679 through them and get to the truth. Yeah, but with the boyfriends, 177 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:37.600 if you can win them over in a conversation, if you can win them 178 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:43.399 over in a relational way, then ultimately they can win her over. Right, 179 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.480 and so if you can show them, okay, I know why you're 180 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.399 here. Let's let's just cut through the crap, right. I know why 181 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:52.120 you're here. You and her or here for an abortion, but I'm going 182 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:56.600 to. I'm a compassionate person that cares about your situation. And you're doing 183 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:00.679 this through a relationship. You're doing this through exposing lies, but graciously, 184 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.799 not poking your finger in their eye and telling them they're a liar. Yeah, 185 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.519 you can eventually win them over. You can eventually get that guy to 186 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.399 go in there. We'll get her to come out and talk with me. 187 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.200 Yeah, and so it's relationship building. Yeah, really, yeah, and 188 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.120 exposing lies. It can be relationship building. Yeah, it can be, 189 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.360 as long as you do it in a gentle and loving way. Yeah. 190 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:30.799 Well, asking if if it's either a friend or a father, right, 191 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.840 do you know? Is She pregnant? Yeah, and and then sometimes they 192 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.159 will say yes, and if it's a guy, I'll say, well, 193 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.919 is that? Is that your baby? Yeah, because again, you want 194 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:46.600 to personalize that, humanize that baby, or whether it's a friend or the 195 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.600 father or even the mom yourself. The next one of the questions will almost 196 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.759 always ask is, do you know how far along you are or she is? 197 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.759 Yeah, and that that point they often will say I don't know, 198 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.799 yeah, or if they do know, but at that point either way about 199 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:07.600 it. Listing the developmental milestones, particularly in the first trimester. Yeah, 200 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.799 it is really a good thing to do. Yeah, in answer to that 201 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:18.440 question, right. Yeah, I'm thinking right now of several conversations I've had 202 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.559 with young men at the abortion centers. And we know, again here at 203 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:24.720 the latrobe abortion center, we know that they're here for an abortion. That's 204 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.200 all they do. So even though we ask the question, are you here 205 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.639 for an abortion, we already know the answer in a sense, unless they're 206 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:37.399 there for a follow up. But I've had several conversations with young men when 207 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.399 I'm asking them, is she here for an abortion, and they say now, 208 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.559 she's not here for that, we don't believe in that. And then 209 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.879 a few sentences later I'll ask the question, so how far long is she 210 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.519 and then he'll tell me she's ten weeks or whatever, and then I'll ask 211 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.080 the question, you know what abortion procedure she's going to be doing? You 212 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.440 know, I'm like ignoring previously when he said she's not there fro an abortion, 213 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:03.039 because I know that she is right. Sometimes you have to be aware 214 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:07.080 as well, though, so only finish that thought. So I asked them 215 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.759 what procedures she here for, and the he'll start talking about the abortion peel 216 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:13.279 and there she's here, as I thinks she's here, she's going to take 217 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.799 the pill. So in essence, a lot of times what people do when 218 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.600 they talk about instead of doing the surgical abortion, they take the abortion pills. 219 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:22.600 are trying to make it less like an abortion, right, and they're 220 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:26.759 trying to save face in one sense. But I have encountered situations talking to 221 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:31.399 men that genuinely believe that she's not there for an abortion because she has lied 222 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.360 to him. That is true. Yea, that is true. That's a 223 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:43.639 different scenario, right, and in that case I will be probably more forthright 224 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:46.360 if I have figured out that they've been lied to and I you know, 225 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:48.440 I can't think of anything specifically. Maybe I will be for the end of 226 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:52.799 this podcast, but I will be more direct. Well, all they do 227 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:58.080 here is abortion. Yeah, to let the guy know, maybe you need 228 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.000 to go in there and get her out, have a you know, bring 229 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:03.480 her over to us. But yeah, that's that's a really important point, 230 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:07.679 because sometimes that does happen. Yeah, its oftentimes that happens with Uber Drivers. 231 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.519 To write. Don't know that they're dropping them for her for any organ 232 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.159 then, you know, kind of along these lines were talking like we do 233 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.480 a lot about our experiences here at the trouble abortion center, but we've had 234 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.000 experiences that. Plenty of other abortion centers reaching out there too, and a 235 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:27.559 plant parenthood facilities and other facilities that do things other than just abortions. Still 236 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:32.799 yet there are days where they commonly do surgical abortions. So at one of 237 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:38.600 our parenthoods that our team in southern California reaches out at, they their abortion 238 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:44.679 day, their surgical abortion day is Friday, and throughout the week they do 239 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:47.480 the abortion pills. It's really hard to know who's coming in for the abortion 240 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:49.200 peel, but there are still teams. They're reaching out. But on Friday's 241 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:52.879 we know they do surgical abortions. They get started very early and so you 242 00:16:52.960 --> 00:17:00.840 can you can pretty much assume that if they do their surgical abortions on Friday, 243 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:06.680 then there's a pretty concentrated group of people coming to the abortion center. 244 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:11.880 So because the concern is maybe for those listening is we don't want to make 245 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:14.720 assumptions and we don't want to just ignore when they say they're not there for 246 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:18.319 an abortion, just to kind of ignore that and go for it. We 247 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:19.839 can do that here at La Troue because we know that they only do abortions 248 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:25.480 and you can you can do that pretty confidently at a plant parenthood or whatever, 249 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:29.759 whatever other facility, if you know what their abortion days are. Yeah, 250 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.119 because they're going to push because that's their bread and butter, that's how 251 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.000 they make their money. They're going to push a lot of their patients and 252 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:40.319 they're going to probably take their other patients who are there for other things and 253 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:44.400 place them other days of the week because they don't want to mess with the 254 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.960 abortion day. Right, they have likely they have an abortionist that comes that 255 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.680 one day that does those surgical abortion procedures and they want to make as much 256 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:53.720 money as possible, so they're going to stack up the appointments. So if 257 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:59.720 there's an abortion day, a day that they particularly do abortions, then you 258 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.759 can make that assumption as well that that woman is there for an abortion and 259 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:06.319 just keep speaking like she's there for an abortion. Right, if they come 260 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:10.599 as a couple, if she's carrying a blanket, is she's dressed in loose 261 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:14.359 clothes? Again, you gather the clues and so you probably have a pretty 262 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.799 good idea. Even at a plan parenthood, not all the time, but 263 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:22.160 but some of the time. Yeah, pretty soon in the discussion with them, 264 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:26.720 I'm going to ask do you know God has as we're which as we're 265 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:32.559 trying to expose the lies and and feed them the not feed them, but 266 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:36.559 give them the information that we really feel as vital for them to make a 267 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:40.039 choice for life. That's one of the top ones for me. Do you 268 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:45.480 know God? Yeah, and and if earlier in the discussion I found out 269 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:52.279 they're not married and she's pregnant, then again that would be I'll ask the 270 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:57.240 question. Do you think God would have you be in an intimate sexual relationship 271 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:02.559 if you're not married? Right? Does that cause you any concern? So 272 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:06.519 those questions are really important. I often get asked how do you introduce the 273 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:11.079 topic of sexual purity through questions? It's one of the ways that I will 274 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:17.240 do it because I think we cannot ignore it. We just cannot ignore that 275 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:22.279 that aspect of why abortions take place. Yeah, and foreign above and beyond 276 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:30.119 any statistic, those come into abortion centers aren't there because of sex outside of 277 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.960 marriage, because of sexual impurity. Yeah, what God calls fornication and the 278 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.599 word. Now you might run into people who don't believe in God at all. 279 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:42.759 Yeah, or at least we'll claim that. or who really could care 280 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:47.440 less about what you have to say about sexual purity? Right, and then 281 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.400 I might. I'm I'm still going to introduce those, but because you're always 282 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:56.599 planning seats. But then one of the things you can ask is d questions 283 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:00.200 about just general morality, like do you believe it is good to take an 284 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:04.759 innocent baby's life, right, or do you believe a stronger human being should 285 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:10.160 ever pray on a vulnerable human being? Yeah, so that you're kind of 286 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:15.519 leading them into, I guess, some more humanistic look at why abortion is 287 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:22.319 wrong, right. Yeah, and that's helpful. Whether they're actually there for 288 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.640 an abortion or whether they're not, maybe they're genuinely telling the truth. It's 289 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:30.440 still good to establish a baseline of God's truth. Yeah, we're talking about 290 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.720 sexual purity, for sure, but also when we're talking about the taking innocent 291 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.359 life. And I'm thinking in my mind just again of some conversations that I've 292 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:41.480 had with men and with women. Yeah, and so I'm thinking of a 293 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.119 particular conversation. I'm there in front of an abortion center that does things other 294 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.680 than abortion, and a young ladies walking into the abortion center. I'm trying 295 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:51.680 to give her information. This is a scenario in which they're walking in rather 296 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:55.319 than driving in. Right offering literature. He can I give you this information? 297 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:56.559 And the young lady says, well, I'm not here for that. 298 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.480 Now I didn't even say anything about abortion, but she knows while I'm out 299 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.720 there, I'm not here for that and I would ask the question. Not 300 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:06.519 here for what? I'm not here. Her response I'm not here for an 301 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:10.279 abortion. So okay, what do you know? They do abortions inside of 302 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:15.200 there, and she might say yes. I forget the exact conversation. I'm 303 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.400 thinking about what whether she said yes or no, but I said you know, 304 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.240 they do abortions inside of there, and then my next question is whether 305 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:25.559 she says yes or nose. What do you feel about abortion? What do 306 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:29.720 you think about what they do inside of there? Now I'm still running with 307 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.319 the assumption, because it's an abortion day, that she's there for an abortion, 308 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:34.880 but I want to try to get her to engage with me about what 309 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:38.839 she thinks about abortion. Yeah, and in that scenario that young lady said 310 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.279 I I don't agree with abortion, but I'm not here for that. They're 311 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:47.519 always pretty Adam and I'm not here for that, and so continue to engage 312 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:49.799 in the conversation. I'll say what's wrong with abortion. So I want to 313 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:53.400 get them to acknowledge that. They're acknowledging that abortion is wrong. So, 314 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:57.640 whether she's there for an abortion or not, I'm helping her to understand the 315 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:02.720 place that she's associated herself with kills babies. I want to get to the 316 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:06.400 point. What's wrong with abortion? What's wrong with abortion is they're actually killing 317 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:10.359 children. Yeah, and so in this particular conversation, I remember talking to 318 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:12.319 the young lady. This actually happened in southern California. She's walking in. 319 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.799 She said, I'm not here for that. What do you feel about abortion? 320 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:19.359 I don't agree with it. And why is that? Because it takes 321 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:22.640 an innocent life. She acknowledged that and I'm agreeing. Yeah, you're right, 322 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:26.880 it takes an innocent life and that's what they're doing inside of there. 323 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:30.440 So, whether you hear for that or not, your associated with the killing 324 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:36.359 of innocent babies. Yeah, what if they held Klu Klux Klan meetings inside 325 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:37.759 of there? Like, what do you believe about racism? That was my 326 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:41.119 actually my next question. What do you think about racism. It's horrible. 327 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:44.960 Well, what if they held Ku Klux Klan meetings inside of there? Would 328 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.279 you still go in, even if they offered other services? Of course not, 329 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:51.559 because you don't want to be associated with racism. Do you want to 330 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:55.720 be associated with murder, with the murder of children? Yeah, and so 331 00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:59.559 just dropping some truth bombs, whether she was lying or not, and actually, 332 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:02.920 in that scenario, fairly confident she was lying. It was an abortion 333 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:07.839 day. She fit the kind of the just the facial expressions and the way 334 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:12.720 she was dressed. Pretty sure she was there for a surgical abortion. But 335 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:17.480 either way, I'll drop some truth to her right. She had to reckon 336 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:21.799 with the truth. Yes, she was. She said herself that abortion was 337 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:26.279 killing innocent person and she's associating herself with the place that does that exactly. 338 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.119 And I'm so glad you brought that up, because there are going to be 339 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:34.079 people that aren't lying. Yeah, that are walking in truly to get something 340 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:38.839 else, PEPs man, whatever, and do do you do they really want 341 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.079 to give their money to a facility that profits off of the death of babies? 342 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:45.559 That's often what I will say. I like the way that that you 343 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:49.240 led up to that, but if they are there for an abortion, it 344 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:55.000 gives you the opportunity for them to talk about why abortion is wrong instead of 345 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.920 you telling them. They have now, through your series of questions, told 346 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:03.039 you and for sure they're going to go in there and think about that discussion. 347 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:08.119 Yeah, so one of the points that I think is really important to 348 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:11.720 remember is oftentimes all we're doing is planting to see. Yeah, we just 349 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:18.599 have to keep that in our heart because we may not see an immediate result. 350 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.799 Yeah, of those questions. They may still go in and abort, 351 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.759 but maybe the next baby will be saved or maybe they will change their lifestyle 352 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.920 or maybe they will pursue knowing more about this God that this person. Yeah, 353 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:36.039 was was talking about. Yeah, one principle I want to point out, 354 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:40.759 and you covered a little bit in this article, is the brochure. 355 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:45.160 Getting the brochure into their hands can cut through any lies, like they're not 356 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.000 having a conversation with you. And you know, why do we lie? 357 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:49.799 A lot of times, like I talked about earlier, we lie to protect 358 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:56.920 ourselves, to save face, to you know, kind of guard against encroachment 359 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.960 of other people and judgment and all of the stuff. Like why would a 360 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.559 woman coming to the abortion center. This is this is a question that I 361 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:07.599 have. Actually, if she's coming to the abortion center and she's going to 362 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.440 take the life of her baby and she's gonna lie about that, why did 363 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.319 she even stop and talk? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like, 364 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:17.880 if she's gonna lie about why she's there, why does? Why does 365 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:21.559 it? She just because many do, but why does Song Stranger? Yes, 366 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:23.359 that that's even what you know. I can see line. To your 367 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:27.319 family members maybe, but to a total stranger we shall never see again. 368 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:32.319 Why? I? Yeah, why? Why even take the time to stop? 369 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.920 Right? I've had people stop in the driveway and make up a pretty 370 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:40.480 extravagant lie and I ask myself, why don't they just keep driving in Anorem 371 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:42.720 me. It's because of guilt, that's why. Yeah, yeah, and 372 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:47.400 because they want to say face and because they want to appear. The Bible 373 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:49.519 says each one, each man, will claim his own goodness. We want 374 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:53.160 to proclaim our goodness. Want to make sure that people know we're actually doing 375 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:56.599 the right thing, unlike everybody else. And reality it's a fig leaf. 376 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:03.000 Yeah, but kind of going back to the brochure, the brochure kind of 377 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:06.200 handles all of that, because it's really a conversation. Was the reading that 378 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:08.279 brochure, their scripture in there. The Gospel is laid out in there, 379 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:12.119 the fetal development of three talking points are laid out in there. They get 380 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.680 that literature and they got to deal with what they're reading on that between them 381 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.079 and the Lord, Right. It's not about trying to guard themselves and protect 382 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:23.359 themselves against my judgment or whatever. It's like. They're reading it and they 383 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:27.759 they can apply it. So we definitely need to speak and we need to 384 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:32.599 engage in conversation as much as we can. But that brochure, that needs 385 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:34.640 to be the first thing we get into their hands. So, whether they're 386 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:38.000 lying to us or not, just let that thing speak and you can save 387 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:41.200 this is for your friend. Then yeah, you don't have to expose the 388 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:45.519 lie in one of the reasons, by the way, that that when it's 389 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.799 not wise to directly, at least expose and confront expose the lie in a 390 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:55.720 confrontational way. Yeah, we are planning seats. Sometimes those seeds sprout while 391 00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:00.799 they are in that abortion center and you don't want to have slam the door 392 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:07.279 on the relationship by being so confrontational or calling them names, like calling them 393 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.599 a liar. Yeah, that they won't come talk with you if they change 394 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.559 their mind. Yeah, and that does happen. They will get in there, 395 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:21.200 that everything you've said has finally kind of hit home and God has convicted 396 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.720 their heart and they come out and they are willing then to find out how 397 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:32.400 we can help. Yeah, and oftentimes the lies are partialized, right. 398 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:36.720 Like one of the partial eyes that I'm remembering recently was a woman who said 399 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:41.039 she was there for a high risk pregnancy and so she had to abort the 400 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.680 baby and it was a high risk pregnancy, but by the time she finally 401 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.119 came out and talked to me more and and had chosen life, it turns 402 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:55.119 out it wasn't really the high risk pregnancy that was the true issue. There 403 00:27:55.119 --> 00:28:00.640 were other things. So the keeping the door of communication open is one of 404 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.799 the major reasons be careful and directly confronting, right, that we know that 405 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:08.240 they're Lyne because we they may change their mind and we do want them to 406 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.559 come back and speak with us. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And 407 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:17.079 in all this, just as with everything, we need to be walking with 408 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.599 the Lord. Yeah, in God can expose those laws. It can be 409 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.519 you can you can expose the laws all you want, you can point out 410 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.759 the inconsistencies and what they're saying all you want, but if the conviction of 411 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.599 the Holy Spirit is not there, they're just going to go in. They're 412 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.920 going to be mad at you for judging them or whatever. We need the 413 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.839 conviction of the Holy Spirit. We need to have the Holy Spirit in the 414 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:42.960 conversation, directing the conversation and when there are times where it's appropriate to point 415 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:47.200 out, hey, you just said this and now you're telling me this, 416 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.599 like that doesn't line up. Yeah, you can do that graciously in the 417 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:53.039 Holy Spirit can guide that conversation and bring conviction, because it's not going to 418 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.200 be you, it's not going to be your tone of voice or whatever that's 419 00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.519 going to bring conviction. It's going to be the Holy Spirit. And there 420 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:04.000 are there are appropriate times to point out in consistencies. Yeah, but still 421 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.799 do that with asking questions. So you just told me this and now you're 422 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:12.440 saying this. Can you help me understand how those two things fit together? 423 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:17.079 Yeah, that's a really good way to ask right, and sometimes there is 424 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:18.720 a way that they fit together. And, like you said, they're partial 425 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:23.400 lie. There untrues that are twisted and again, these are mechanisms are trying 426 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:30.720 to protect themselves against right, your judgment, against embarrassment or whatever. And 427 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.480 so yeah, just asking the Holy Spirit to help you navigate through these conversations 428 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:38.160 is very important and that's why I think it's really important, as we're on 429 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.640 our way to the abortion center, to be in prayer, to ask the 430 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.880 Lord to give us his wisdom when we're there with our team on the sidewalk, 431 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.240 to start with prayer, dedicate the morning to the Lord and ask his 432 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.400 wisdom, ask him to come into the the situations that you're facing on a 433 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.799 daytoday basis. And I want to say take that seriously, that advice seriously 434 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:04.279 everyone, because I do when I remember you saying one Daniel, as you're 435 00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.519 driving into the abortion center, is really not the time to be listening to 436 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:14.079 the news right the radio. Well, I often used to, because it's 437 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.079 really the only time I ever hear the news. I don't don't let I 438 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:22.279 don't even have a television to hear or stations that broadcast news or anything. 439 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.559 So but I stopped doing it after hearing that and I thought I'm really going 440 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.119 to devote this drive, which is a half hour drive for me to prayer. 441 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.559 Yeah, specifically for these women coming and and I think it really changed 442 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.920 my effectiveness out on the sidebox. So I really think that is really good 443 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:45.599 advice. Devote the morning prior to coming to the abortion center to to being 444 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:51.200 in prayer, being in the word and and asking God and the Holy Spirit 445 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:53.799 to be helping you. Yeah, Amen, that's good. Well, guys, 446 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.720 we hope that this podcast episode was a blessing to you. Guys, 447 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.279 if you want to reach out to me, you can reach me Daniel at 448 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.160 love life don't Org. You can reach her Vicky at love life don't Org. 449 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.920 We'd love to hear from you suggestions for future podcast maybe clarification that you 450 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.319 need on previous episodes that we've done. We do these things to encourage you. 451 00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.680 We put these episodes out to challenge you and equip you, and so 452 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.839 we hope that they do that for you. Let us know if, if, 453 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:23.279 again, there's other things that we can cover, but until next time, 454 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:32.519 God bless yet bless you all. You give me out left for love. 455 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:45.000 Give me our life for gratitude. I know it will cost me my 456 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:52.960 life. Nothing's too precious. Since I met you,