What Does Coronavirus Have to Do With Abortion?

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.630 Lord, I am your what in the world is coronavirus have to do with 3 00:00:10.710 --> 00:00:13.990 abortion? Join us in this episode of Gospel Center Pro Life. Is Me 4 00:00:14.029 --> 00:00:19.429 and Vicky talk about coronavirus and abortion, the similarities in the biblical implications. 5 00:00:19.829 --> 00:00:32.060 Stay too. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me. 6 00:00:34.619 --> 00:00:39.009 Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We wanted to have a little 7 00:00:39.049 --> 00:00:46.090 bit of a conversation, because everyone is having a conversation. I'll share the 8 00:00:47.009 --> 00:00:53.920 coronavirus, covid nineteen, and so we wanted to talk about it and we 9 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:57.640 want to talk about it in light of abortion and in light of the Gospel 10 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:02.200 and you might be wondering, hopefully you are wondering, what in the world 11 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:07.269 does coronavirus have to do with abortion? Where you wondering that? Whenever I 12 00:01:07.390 --> 00:01:10.829 ask you, Hey, you cover this topic now? No, I because 13 00:01:10.829 --> 00:01:14.750 I was thinking, okay, pro life, life's in there and coronavirus kills, 14 00:01:14.870 --> 00:01:18.109 so it's antied life. So okay, it's like abortion. Yeah, 15 00:01:18.620 --> 00:01:23.099 it is, but in particular, and we'll touch on a few topics. 16 00:01:23.739 --> 00:01:26.540 What as far as the Christian response, what should our response be to this 17 00:01:26.620 --> 00:01:32.299 thing because, you know, just full to disclosure, I'm probably all over 18 00:01:32.379 --> 00:01:34.849 the map about this thing. I'm one of those guys is like, you 19 00:01:34.890 --> 00:01:38.489 know, the government's going to tell me I can't go places or I can't 20 00:01:38.530 --> 00:01:41.450 do things. The government ain't telling me, squat, I'll do it I 21 00:01:41.609 --> 00:01:45.370 want. I'll take that attitude. But also I take the attitude of well, 22 00:01:45.489 --> 00:01:48.159 you know, God has put us under submission to the government and we're 23 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.560 supposed to do things that, as long as they're not telling us to disobey 24 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:53.879 God, we're supposed to obey the government and that sort of thing. So 25 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.680 I'm in this tension of governing and to tell me what to do and, 26 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.790 you know, also wisdom. I need to use wisdom and you know, 27 00:02:01.030 --> 00:02:06.549 as a prolife person who believes every life is valuable, there's some implications of 28 00:02:06.750 --> 00:02:12.189 not using wisdom and how my decisions and my actions can affect other people. 29 00:02:12.389 --> 00:02:15.229 Yeah, and that ties directly into abortion, which is, you know, 30 00:02:15.349 --> 00:02:16.740 one of the points that we're going to touch on. US We're talking through 31 00:02:17.139 --> 00:02:20.780 but what I wanted to do, as I don't want, I wanted to 32 00:02:21.740 --> 00:02:24.740 not really. I guess maybe we'll come to some conclusions here, but just 33 00:02:24.900 --> 00:02:30.169 have a conversation and just talk this through. Maybe you guys who are listening, 34 00:02:30.250 --> 00:02:32.169 you can help me. Maybe there's some points as we're going through this 35 00:02:32.490 --> 00:02:36.770 that we didn't mention, that we didn't think through, that we didn't talk 36 00:02:36.810 --> 00:02:39.289 about that we needed to, and you can help me, help me be 37 00:02:39.530 --> 00:02:44.319 more clear on where I should stand on this. Again, I don't really 38 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.479 care. I do care in the sense that, you know, the government 39 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.199 says things and we're supposed to be in submission to the government, CDC, 40 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.479 all of that, but more than anything, I care about what the Bible 41 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:57.520 says. What does the Scripture say? So if you're gonna argue with me 42 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:00.509 about what my attitude should be toward the coronavirus, you're going to have to 43 00:03:00.590 --> 00:03:04.710 use scripture. For me, and some other stuff too, scripture is going 44 00:03:04.750 --> 00:03:07.389 to be the main and that's that's what we did in our attempt to, 45 00:03:07.750 --> 00:03:09.469 you know, to work through this discussion that we're about to have. We 46 00:03:09.629 --> 00:03:13.379 looked, we looked at scripture. For me, one of the I think 47 00:03:13.419 --> 00:03:15.939 the biggest tension is who to believe, is it? Yeah, we'll read 48 00:03:15.939 --> 00:03:20.860 run article where it's very terrifying. There was a family in New York at 49 00:03:20.900 --> 00:03:23.939 a family gathering. I think of ten, okay, and seven, three 50 00:03:23.979 --> 00:03:28.569 of them died and for them are in I see you right now, right 51 00:03:28.650 --> 00:03:31.129 out of seven out of ten. I mean that's pretty terrifying. And then 52 00:03:31.129 --> 00:03:36.409 I read articles that that point, you know, print not all the numbers 53 00:03:36.490 --> 00:03:40.169 of people affected and and really a relatively low death rate, lower than the 54 00:03:40.250 --> 00:03:46.919 flu from what I can see in America right now, and probably the coronavirus 55 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:51.479 numbers are under reported. There's probably lots of people who've already had it and 56 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.919 recovered or don't even know they have it because they're such a mild case. 57 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:58.110 So that's for me. Yeah, who to believe? Who to believe, 58 00:03:58.270 --> 00:04:00.830 and and and I just and a certainly is no help to get on facebook 59 00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:03.389 and see everybody's opinion there, because I got, you know, on my 60 00:04:03.469 --> 00:04:06.789 facebook feed and we have a lot of the same folks as friends. I'm 61 00:04:06.789 --> 00:04:12.259 seeing every every end of the spectrum and everything in between. Yeah, stay 62 00:04:12.340 --> 00:04:15.460 out of the general public, never even come out of your house. All, 63 00:04:15.500 --> 00:04:16.860 who cares about this virus? You know, on the other the other 64 00:04:16.939 --> 00:04:20.379 end of the spectrum, it's just the government, conspiracy whatever. And you 65 00:04:20.459 --> 00:04:24.810 see so much. You see so much, also on social media right now, 66 00:04:24.810 --> 00:04:28.250 at least in our groups, which are, in my case, largely 67 00:04:28.649 --> 00:04:31.490 believers, saying, oh well, perfect love cast out fear. If you 68 00:04:31.569 --> 00:04:35.930 love the Lord, you shall have no fear. And and basically your you're 69 00:04:36.649 --> 00:04:43.160 faithless if if you're worried at all. Yeah, and and and then you 70 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:46.279 know the the other side that that saying you should be worried. There's a 71 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:48.519 lot of diy all that to all right, there will it paper. You 72 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.600 can. You should be worried, worried for your family and for your life. 73 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:56.910 And I suspect, you know, the where we should end up is 74 00:04:57.029 --> 00:05:00.110 maybe somewhere kind of down the middle. But so it seems like it's like 75 00:05:00.230 --> 00:05:03.310 that with a lot of stuff. There's this biblical tension of, you know, 76 00:05:03.430 --> 00:05:08.300 not going in one ditch or the other. And hopefully at the end 77 00:05:08.300 --> 00:05:12.819 of this podcast will have you guys. Maybe we'll help balance you out. 78 00:05:13.060 --> 00:05:15.300 Maybe, who knows, maybe you'll help balance us out, as you responded 79 00:05:15.379 --> 00:05:18.100 this podcast and let us know how terrible it was or how great it was. 80 00:05:18.779 --> 00:05:23.449 And and so let's jump into it, though, because we're talking about 81 00:05:23.490 --> 00:05:28.730 a communical pool disease. Yeah, Cole disease, which means it can be 82 00:05:30.329 --> 00:05:33.769 passed along to other people, and so there are some implications here. We're 83 00:05:33.810 --> 00:05:39.399 going to talk about bodily autonomy and how your decisions affect other people in a 84 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:44.800 biblical framework for that and a biblical understanding of that. But let's talk about 85 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:49.829 because it's not like the Bible doesn't mention communicable diseases. It does mention these 86 00:05:49.949 --> 00:05:55.430 diseases and you know it does. It should help us to see how thorough 87 00:05:55.550 --> 00:05:59.310 God is in his word, and we talked in the numbers podcast about how 88 00:05:59.389 --> 00:06:01.189 thorough God is and keeping numbers, but how there are is in dealing with 89 00:06:01.269 --> 00:06:05.740 stuff like communicable diseases, in particular with leprosy and and some folks say, 90 00:06:05.740 --> 00:06:10.980 and I think it's true, if you study out leprosy and what's implied here 91 00:06:11.420 --> 00:06:14.420 in the Leviticus passage, what they were dealing with the New Testament, it 92 00:06:14.899 --> 00:06:18.250 could include a lot more than just what we properly know as leprosy. It 93 00:06:18.290 --> 00:06:23.569 could be other skin diseases, other diseases that are that affect person in similar 94 00:06:23.610 --> 00:06:26.449 ways. Yeah, but you know, broadly we're talking about leprosy. I 95 00:06:26.490 --> 00:06:29.889 think probably I could be wrong about this. Maybe I need to study it 96 00:06:29.970 --> 00:06:32.480 more before I say this. Probably the word leprosy is more of a broad 97 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:36.240 term than just a particular communic couple disease that we know is leprosy now, 98 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:40.800 but maybe not. I don't. But does God talk about this disease? 99 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.959 Is God talk about diseases and passing diseases in the Bible? Yeah, and 100 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.670 and of course, you know, leprosy is what came right to my mind 101 00:06:47.709 --> 00:06:50.269 as I was thinking about this. So, and there are a lot of 102 00:06:50.350 --> 00:06:57.149 parallels. Lepers in in that time period were socially isolated. That is how 103 00:06:57.670 --> 00:07:01.980 the spread of leprosy was contained. They were socially isolated and they were self 104 00:07:02.139 --> 00:07:08.699 responsible, but through the rule of the government. You know that that they 105 00:07:08.779 --> 00:07:13.420 were too, and God's Word said that. Actually it was in God's word. 106 00:07:13.540 --> 00:07:17.170 The command was that they were to alert everyone who came near them that 107 00:07:17.410 --> 00:07:23.810 would be in danger by shouting unclean, unclean. Yeah, Leviticus thirteen, 108 00:07:24.089 --> 00:07:27.490 forty five through forty six. You right, like you always do. Written 109 00:07:27.490 --> 00:07:31.160 an outline here, an article basically, and the will post this anywhere. 110 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:33.920 It just helps us as we flow through this. Yeah, but at yeah, 111 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:38.319 leviticas one thousand three hundred and forty five through forty six the Lebrous, 112 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:42.199 person who has the disease shall wear torn clothes and let the hair of his 113 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:46.430 head hang loose, and he shall cover his upper lip and cry out unclean, 114 00:07:46.509 --> 00:07:48.910 unclean, he shrimming, unclean. As long as he has the disease, 115 00:07:49.149 --> 00:07:53.310 he is unclean. He shall them, he shall live alone, his 116 00:07:53.389 --> 00:07:57.110 dwellings shall be outside of the camp. So this is quarantining. Basically, 117 00:07:57.269 --> 00:08:03.420 he's separated from the general population and the intention is that he wouldn't share that 118 00:08:03.579 --> 00:08:07.339 disease and spread that disease to the rest of Israel. And there was no 119 00:08:07.500 --> 00:08:11.740 cure for for lepre seat. There was no vaccine, there was no vaccine, 120 00:08:11.819 --> 00:08:16.009 there was no medicine that they could take. They basically would just slowly 121 00:08:16.050 --> 00:08:20.209 lose all of their body part seems that sounds like a fun podcast. Yeah, 122 00:08:20.370 --> 00:08:22.730 that would be a middle one. That would be a good one. 123 00:08:22.889 --> 00:08:26.680 About fifty years from yeah, but you know, whenever I read about the 124 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.039 lepers it makes me so sad. Yeah, I mean they had a miserable 125 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:39.879 existence, but but God did that to protect his community. Yeah, to 126 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:45.830 protect the rest of the community. So now that's kind of in sharp contrast 127 00:08:46.149 --> 00:08:48.110 to what happens in the New Testament. And yes, yes, yeah, 128 00:08:48.629 --> 00:08:52.509 you know I've said before I actually preached on this passage that you brought up. 129 00:08:54.110 --> 00:08:56.500 Actually, matthew and mark, as long as well as Luke, have 130 00:08:56.659 --> 00:09:03.980 this particular story shared where this lepross man comes before Jesus and basically preached about, 131 00:09:05.899 --> 00:09:09.049 you know, how in the New Testament or in the Old Testament, 132 00:09:09.210 --> 00:09:15.809 the unclean makes the clean unclean. In the New Testament the clean makes the 133 00:09:15.889 --> 00:09:18.370 unclean clean. Oh, that's interesting and it's true. You know, in 134 00:09:18.370 --> 00:09:20.889 the Old Testament if you touch the lepros person, you were unclean. You 135 00:09:20.970 --> 00:09:24.320 are not supposed to touch a list leper person. You were unclean after that 136 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.200 point. But in the New Testament, you know, in this story, 137 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.120 this is Luke, Chapter Five, or this man comes, a sleppers man 138 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.200 comes before Jesus and the Bible says in one passage he bowed down, bow 139 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:37.360 down and worshiped him and said, Lord, if you are willing, you 140 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:39.470 can make me clean. So he knew that Jesus was able to the question 141 00:09:39.549 --> 00:09:45.070 was he willing? and Jesus stretches out his hand, touches the man and 142 00:09:45.509 --> 00:09:48.470 says I'm willing be cleansed and he the leprosy leaves him, he's a good 143 00:09:48.470 --> 00:09:52.100 present himself before the priest and give the offering that is required for a person 144 00:09:52.179 --> 00:09:56.340 that's been cleansed of leprosy. And mean of you know the story. But 145 00:09:56.019 --> 00:10:01.179 Jesus makes this unclean man, rather than Jesus becoming unclean, which is the 146 00:10:01.299 --> 00:10:03.539 the typical way it would happen in the Old Testament, under the new covenant, 147 00:10:03.539 --> 00:10:09.250 Jesus makes this unclean man clean, to his cleanliness anyway. That's a 148 00:10:09.690 --> 00:10:13.129 you know that that'll preach and doesn't necessarily have to do with this, but 149 00:10:13.210 --> 00:10:16.330 it does have to do with the fact that Jesus was not afraid of the 150 00:10:16.409 --> 00:10:20.889 leprosy. You could say, you know, he's he's God. Yeah, 151 00:10:20.889 --> 00:10:24.600 of course he is. What the Bible does tell tell us that he laid 152 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:30.240 the that glorious side his divinity, in the sense that you're functioning as God. 153 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:33.799 He laid that aside and took on the form of a servant. Yeah, 154 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.029 became a human being. So he he certainly stepped out as a human 155 00:10:39.070 --> 00:10:43.389 being in touch this man, yeah, who was lepers as far as not 156 00:10:43.470 --> 00:10:48.110 mine in clinging right and as far as we know, though some things says, 157 00:10:48.110 --> 00:10:52.379 I'm trying to connect that with coronavirus. He didn't tell the rest of 158 00:10:52.460 --> 00:10:56.379 the lepers okay, everybody go, just join the community. Yeah, he 159 00:10:56.460 --> 00:11:01.940 didn't change the social isolation. And I think it's interesting, though, went 160 00:11:03.220 --> 00:11:07.250 that the lepers says if you are willing, yeah, and then Jesus says, 161 00:11:07.289 --> 00:11:16.409 I am willing, and that spoke to me about how so many of 162 00:11:16.570 --> 00:11:20.759 the things I'm seen written on social media talk about well, you're safe, 163 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:26.399 you're you're you're a believer and God will protect us and and and all of 164 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.480 this will. Yeah, I think we're presuming upon God's willingness or lack of 165 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:37.629 willingness to heal or to protect. He may or may not, and I 166 00:11:37.830 --> 00:11:43.629 think that there is a call for wisdom. Jesus did not say to those 167 00:11:43.710 --> 00:11:48.740 lepers, since I'm in control, you all go on out and I'll take 168 00:11:48.779 --> 00:11:52.379 care of my people. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah, he certainly 169 00:11:52.419 --> 00:11:56.259 didn't overturn complete that social norm, although touching the lepers man, that was 170 00:11:56.620 --> 00:12:01.210 that was confronting a social norm. Yeah, and some could argue, and 171 00:12:01.210 --> 00:12:03.929 I think a good argument could be made, that Jesus did that not as 172 00:12:03.970 --> 00:12:07.769 abroad. You know, I will I'm willing to heal every lepers person, 173 00:12:09.049 --> 00:12:11.809 but as a particular sign and a testimony, and certainly was that, and 174 00:12:13.009 --> 00:12:16.519 to the Ministry of Jesus. But I believe he shows his willingness to step 175 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.120 out and to break with social norms to meet this man's need, and he 176 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.039 certainly did right. He looked on this man with compassion. Now does that 177 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.519 mean then, you know, bringing it to today, and as far as 178 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:33.070 the coronavirus, the coronavirus with Jesus heal someone from the of the coronavirus? 179 00:12:33.549 --> 00:12:37.389 Certainly he would. Certainly he can. He may already have. You know, 180 00:12:37.549 --> 00:12:41.309 somebody maybe had it and has been healed from it. God still does 181 00:12:41.389 --> 00:12:43.340 that, I believe, in this day at age. Does that mean, 182 00:12:43.419 --> 00:12:46.779 though, we need to go out as Christians and start, you know, 183 00:12:46.860 --> 00:12:52.659 laying hands on everybody that has coronavirus and and and, you know, potentially 184 00:12:52.700 --> 00:12:56.259 passing it around everyone? Hey, no, I don't think that it does. 185 00:12:56.659 --> 00:12:58.769 I think that we, as you said, we have to use wisdom. 186 00:13:00.370 --> 00:13:05.450 We have certain directives and their people smarter than me, smarter maybe even 187 00:13:05.529 --> 00:13:11.009 than you, no doubt, who have said they're there are these risks that 188 00:13:11.090 --> 00:13:13.679 are involved in passing this thing around, and so do this and do that. 189 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.840 So I think, you know, there has to be that has to 190 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.879 be taken into consideration, not just this idea that if you have enough faith 191 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.759 then God it's not going to make you sick. Yeah, and and I 192 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.710 think that at that house God's not going to let you get sick. That's 193 00:13:28.750 --> 00:13:31.309 right, he I'm sure there's Christians that are dying of this too, but 194 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:37.590 it helps me just to say this and to think about this, that it's 195 00:13:37.789 --> 00:13:43.179 not a measure of your standing before God or your faith if you're not going 196 00:13:43.179 --> 00:13:48.620 to be shaking all your friend's hands right now. They're saying don't shake hands. 197 00:13:48.700 --> 00:13:54.659 But I do get this sense by some people in the Christian community that 198 00:13:54.769 --> 00:14:01.210 that shows I'm quivering in fear or that I'm not as good a Christianist. 199 00:14:01.330 --> 00:14:05.610 Yeah, or maybe even the the idea of having church services. Are Church 200 00:14:05.850 --> 00:14:09.769 is not meeting? Yes, as far as you know, as a congregation 201 00:14:09.850 --> 00:14:13.840 of the same building, our pastors are doing online service at you know, 202 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.879 last Sunday. It was great. You know, just confess when I first 203 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.480 heard that they were not going to have services, I'm like what, Canceling 204 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.549 Church Service? Yeah, because of this thing. Yeah, and you know, 205 00:14:24.590 --> 00:14:26.710 I took the sort of I don't know, I didn't take the you 206 00:14:26.789 --> 00:14:30.230 know, you don't have faith approach, but I was just disappointed. I 207 00:14:30.350 --> 00:14:31.470 was like, man, we got to press through this. And then I 208 00:14:31.549 --> 00:14:33.470 was like, you know, the Lord really spoke to my heart. Hey, 209 00:14:33.549 --> 00:14:39.460 you put yourself under submission to your pastor and the leadership there and they're 210 00:14:39.460 --> 00:14:41.139 doing the best they can with the information they have and they're trying to apply 211 00:14:41.299 --> 00:14:45.419 wisdom and, you know, I felt like, okay, you're right, 212 00:14:45.500 --> 00:14:48.899 Lord. I did. And then we watch the church service Sunday morning, 213 00:14:48.139 --> 00:14:52.259 right, and it was I was blessed by it. Yes, it was 214 00:14:52.379 --> 00:14:54.090 good as a family who watch together in our live room, and it was 215 00:14:54.129 --> 00:15:00.169 a blessing and I trust that God is is guiding the leaders of our fellowship 216 00:15:00.169 --> 00:15:03.409 and the other churches around, even though I might might not be my perfect 217 00:15:03.529 --> 00:15:05.730 will for that to happen. Yeah, I think that, you know, 218 00:15:07.049 --> 00:15:09.480 God has other people in that position to make that decision rather than me for 219 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.480 a reason. Yeah, I mean there's been some good things from all of 220 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.480 this social isolation. I've heard so many stories of families that are gathering together 221 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.990 and doing simple things that families should be doing. Yeah, together, there 222 00:15:24.110 --> 00:15:26.669 worshiping to go and also I think it's helping people just not be gross. 223 00:15:28.710 --> 00:15:31.870 You know, that's like one of the one of the benefits. Well, 224 00:15:31.950 --> 00:15:35.350 I wash my hand. I'm not a FREAKO. Wash my hands your everything, 225 00:15:35.549 --> 00:15:37.500 but you know, I wash my hands on a pretty regular basis, 226 00:15:37.580 --> 00:15:41.620 normally because I think it's gross not to write every time I use the bath 227 00:15:41.700 --> 00:15:46.700 it. Listen, if if you needed the coronavirus in order to start washing 228 00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:50.370 your hands after use the bathroom, you're a gross person. In your part 229 00:15:50.409 --> 00:15:54.129 of the problem. But and and that brings up a second point that I 230 00:15:54.250 --> 00:16:02.970 was thinking about, is that many times these sorts of things, not that 231 00:16:03.049 --> 00:16:07.279 I've ever had a global pandemic before. I never lived through one, which 232 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.879 better during the bubonic plague, and I'm not that was a few hit me 233 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:19.549 on but I I, I do think that there is certainly biblical evidence that 234 00:16:19.710 --> 00:16:32.309 God uses terrible things like plagues to punish and alarm and wake up people to 235 00:16:33.379 --> 00:16:37.179 unrighteousness and wickedness. And I as and that's where I think it does relate 236 00:16:37.179 --> 00:16:45.299 very directly to abortion. Is this plague the result of the worldwide growth in 237 00:16:45.620 --> 00:16:48.450 the acceptance of abortion? I don't know. Yeah, but I don't. 238 00:16:48.570 --> 00:16:52.929 I'm not going to be opposed to thinking that that could be the case, 239 00:16:52.090 --> 00:16:57.570 because abortion is wicked. God hates the shutting of innocent blood. He hates 240 00:16:57.970 --> 00:17:07.039 people killing babies. Yeah, and and there's been so much effort to encourage 241 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:11.680 people to recognize that and to so little avail. Yes, so many people 242 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.519 have hardened their hearts and stiff in their necks. Yeah, you know, 243 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.069 I'm certainly not going to be the you know, I Guess Doomsday Prophet that 244 00:17:18.150 --> 00:17:22.670 says, you know, this is absolutely a judgment from God and and you 245 00:17:22.789 --> 00:17:26.150 know, but I will say God does bring judgment and people need to repent, 246 00:17:26.549 --> 00:17:29.190 whether or not this is a judgment from God or, you know, 247 00:17:29.269 --> 00:17:33.740 it's from the devil, or it's just a virus that can come back from 248 00:17:33.779 --> 00:17:37.900 China. Yeah, either way, this is an opportunity, I think, 249 00:17:38.019 --> 00:17:41.059 for people, I know, for people, to check themselves. Yeah, 250 00:17:41.420 --> 00:17:45.769 yeah, the Bible says if we judge ourselves, will not be judged of 251 00:17:45.849 --> 00:17:49.490 God. We need to make an examination of ourselves. Believers, Christians, 252 00:17:51.089 --> 00:17:53.250 we guys, we have to make an assessment of our behavior. If you're 253 00:17:53.250 --> 00:17:56.849 one of those people, and I get it, we need to take care 254 00:17:56.890 --> 00:17:59.960 of our families. I have a family are we have ten in our family. 255 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.200 But if you're one of those people, as soon as you heard about 256 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.319 this coronavirus, you went to the store and you bought eighty seven packs of 257 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:12.349 toilet paper. I think you probably did that out of fear and I think 258 00:18:12.390 --> 00:18:15.509 it's probably should be evidence to you, evident to you, that you're a 259 00:18:15.549 --> 00:18:19.470 selfish person, because now I don't have toilet paper in my house. We 260 00:18:19.589 --> 00:18:22.789 do actually, but you know what I'm saying. It's like this selfishness that 261 00:18:22.910 --> 00:18:26.789 flows. I'll got to take care of of myself. I've got to take 262 00:18:26.789 --> 00:18:30.140 care of me in my own whenever. Really, as believers, were supposed 263 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:33.140 to consider those around us. Maybe you bought eighty seven packs of toilet paper 264 00:18:33.299 --> 00:18:37.180 so you can give your neighbor some toilet paper and praise God. Hope, 265 00:18:37.299 --> 00:18:40.140 hopefully, you did that. But even as a world you know you're we're 266 00:18:40.180 --> 00:18:42.089 talking about judgment. We're talking about the way that God brings judgments and we 267 00:18:42.289 --> 00:18:47.250 do know in the Bible, old Tesiman and New Testament, that God will 268 00:18:47.329 --> 00:18:51.970 bring pestilence. I think this would qualify as pestilence. Pestilence is like insects 269 00:18:52.049 --> 00:18:59.359 and some kind of invasion of some foreign or a Dissolu disinvited creature, and 270 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:03.680 I think a virus would wouldn't qualify as that. This is pestilence and whether 271 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.279 it's again, it's been unleashed by the Lord as a judgment. Either way, 272 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.950 we let's not waste it. Yeah, right, let's let's check ourselves 273 00:19:11.990 --> 00:19:15.589 as believers, as a nation, let's check ourselves. Are we right with 274 00:19:15.710 --> 00:19:18.190 God? And I would say, you know, of course we're not. 275 00:19:18.349 --> 00:19:19.670 As a nation, we need to turn back to the Lord and I've been 276 00:19:19.869 --> 00:19:22.990 man. As a family, we've been praying. God. Use this exactly 277 00:19:23.029 --> 00:19:26.259 because, if nothing else, people, you know, will wash their hands 278 00:19:26.660 --> 00:19:30.380 when they're supposed to not be gross, but people will check their own mortality. 279 00:19:30.859 --> 00:19:33.339 They don't. You listen, you, you're not going to live forever. 280 00:19:33.460 --> 00:19:37.700 You're not going to be on this earth forever. Whether you coronavirus gets 281 00:19:37.740 --> 00:19:41.009 you. You know, Ray Comfort. We love him. Right. He 282 00:19:41.089 --> 00:19:44.890 says the ultimate statistic ten out of ten people die. Were all going to 283 00:19:44.930 --> 00:19:47.970 be part of that ultimate statistic. You're going to die. If you don't 284 00:19:48.009 --> 00:19:52.130 die from something, death is going to get you right, right, and 285 00:19:52.289 --> 00:19:56.480 so you're going to die from something. And we're going to face the Lord. 286 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.279 So as believers, we're going to face God. We're going to have 287 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.240 to give an account for our lives and how we've lived. Yeah, so, 288 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:06.680 if nothing else, allow this is an opportunity for reflection and be a 289 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:08.309 witness in a testimony. It probably not the best thing for you to be 290 00:20:08.390 --> 00:20:11.910 tapping on facebook about how much God hates America and that's why he's judging. 291 00:20:11.950 --> 00:20:15.869 Probably probably not the best testimony, but but the testimony of worn in people 292 00:20:17.190 --> 00:20:19.430 of whether or not this is a judgment. There is judgment to come and 293 00:20:19.829 --> 00:20:23.539 inviting people to come to the Lord and to check themselves. Yeah, as 294 00:20:23.579 --> 00:20:26.900 a believer and being a testimony to your neighbors and helping out and that sort 295 00:20:26.900 --> 00:20:30.460 of thing can be an opportunity to share the gospel with people. Yeah, 296 00:20:30.460 --> 00:20:34.700 and to be an intercessor in the midst of the plague is very biblical. 297 00:20:34.769 --> 00:20:38.369 Absolutely. So, you know, I'm going to save my voice because I've 298 00:20:38.369 --> 00:20:44.890 got some some rough vocal courts, but if it's not coronavirus now the wagon 299 00:20:44.930 --> 00:20:48.009 around, it's it's and if you hear my voice cracking a promise it's not 300 00:20:48.130 --> 00:20:52.160 corona either. We both there. It's like the pollen. Pollen is thick. 301 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.000 I mean that's like a double whammy form now right, yeah, you 302 00:20:55.079 --> 00:21:00.359 know, but this one is numbers sixteen and it's how number sixteen verses forty 303 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.349 four, two, hundred and fifty and an old testament dealing with the plague 304 00:21:03.470 --> 00:21:10.950 and and really pay attention to prayer and intercession for the people in the midst 305 00:21:10.990 --> 00:21:12.589 of this plague. Okay, so I'll read it here. And the Lord 306 00:21:12.670 --> 00:21:15.789 spoke to Moses, saying get away from the midst of this congregation, that 307 00:21:15.869 --> 00:21:19.700 I may consume them in a moment. And they fell on their faces and 308 00:21:19.779 --> 00:21:23.019 Moses said to Aaron, Take Your Censer and put fire on it, from 309 00:21:23.059 --> 00:21:26.940 from off the altar, and lay incense on it and carry it quickly to 310 00:21:27.059 --> 00:21:30.420 the congregation and make a toment for them, for wrath has gone out from 311 00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:33.970 the Lord. The plague has begun. So Aaron took it, as Moses 312 00:21:34.009 --> 00:21:37.930 had said, and ran into the midst of the assembly and behold, the 313 00:21:37.009 --> 00:21:41.289 plague had already begun among the people. And he put out the incense and 314 00:21:41.329 --> 00:21:44.329 made a Toment for the people and he stood between the dead and the living 315 00:21:44.650 --> 00:21:47.880 and the plague was stopped. Now those who died in the plague. Were 316 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:51.720 fourteen thousand seven hundred besides of those who died in the affair of Cora, 317 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:55.680 and Aaron returned to Moses at the entrance of the Tene meeting when the plague 318 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.880 was stopped. So here's intercession, here's Aaron intervening, you know, God 319 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:06.269 speaking to Moses and Moses speaking to Aaron and the there's intercession, there's interestanding 320 00:22:06.309 --> 00:22:10.470 between the living and the dead and and putting out in atonement for the people. 321 00:22:10.630 --> 00:22:14.789 And Yeah, and back in those days it was Jesus had not yet 322 00:22:14.950 --> 00:22:19.900 come in as and died on the cross, and now the atonement is to 323 00:22:21.099 --> 00:22:26.740 point people to Jesus. Yeah, and to sacrifice on their behalf. So 324 00:22:26.099 --> 00:22:30.690 prayer, intercession, pointing others to God and Atonement, I think, are 325 00:22:30.690 --> 00:22:36.809 all really important things for us all to be actively doing. Yeah, during 326 00:22:36.890 --> 00:22:40.849 this during this plague. Yeah, yeah, and that that again, you 327 00:22:40.970 --> 00:22:44.089 got to balance that out. It's it's, you know, probably not the 328 00:22:44.170 --> 00:22:48.039 best testimony to be putting on facebook or whatever, be standing in the grocery 329 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:49.720 store and yelling at everybody this is a judgment of God. You need to 330 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:53.759 repent right. That never goes well. It typically does not go well, 331 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:59.630 but taken, I don't say capitalizing on the moment because I don't want to 332 00:22:59.630 --> 00:23:02.109 make light of it, but it's sort of like that. We're taking this 333 00:23:02.269 --> 00:23:07.269 moment where people are reflecting on their own mortality. Yeah, and there's fear 334 00:23:07.029 --> 00:23:11.109 and people are under a spirit of fear, to bring the truth of the 335 00:23:11.190 --> 00:23:15.819 Gospel and to point them to the one who, the Bible does say perfect 336 00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:18.859 love casts out fear. You don't have to be under a spirit of fear. 337 00:23:18.140 --> 00:23:22.140 Now, fear and caution are two different things. Being under you know, 338 00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:26.289 just kind of hiding under a rock somewhere and and not wanting to be 339 00:23:26.289 --> 00:23:30.690 out in public because you're afraid of this virus can be one thing. Using 340 00:23:30.730 --> 00:23:34.089 wisdom, little bit of stuff we've talked about already is a whole other thing. 341 00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:37.609 But as a believer in Jesus, you have a platform here. You've 342 00:23:37.609 --> 00:23:41.130 got your family and you got your friends and you got those around you that 343 00:23:41.210 --> 00:23:44.440 you can share the gospel with. Take that opportunity. Don't waste this. 344 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:47.680 Yeah, well, the Bible says make the most of every opportun absolutely, 345 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:49.920 so we should do that. Now. You know, one of the things 346 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:56.630 with abortion rights is bodily autonomy. Yeah, that's my my body, my 347 00:23:56.710 --> 00:24:00.430 choice, right. Yeah, but suddenly that's kind of not what they're saying. 348 00:24:00.789 --> 00:24:06.390 With coronavirus, your body, get, get and into quarantine and don't 349 00:24:06.390 --> 00:24:10.180 let your body come anywhere near my body. Not your body, your choice, 350 00:24:10.220 --> 00:24:12.380 because it affects me. Ye, which is the opposite message. The 351 00:24:12.460 --> 00:24:18.700 little says, yeah, it is, it is. So you had found 352 00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:22.660 an interesting article, yeah, which I think you printed that off, and 353 00:24:22.940 --> 00:24:26.930 I think it is an article about. You know, we did a podcast, 354 00:24:27.769 --> 00:24:32.250 think in our first couple of podcast we told about bodily autonomy. Yeah, 355 00:24:32.329 --> 00:24:34.849 and is this the biblical concept, the idea of bodily autonomy, and 356 00:24:36.289 --> 00:24:40.319 I think we established the bodily autonomy is, I mean in one sense, 357 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.559 yeah, you're responsible for your body, but the decisions that you make with 358 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:48.400 your body do affect other people. And when your decisions affect other people, 359 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.440 that's when, you know, one person said, my bodily autonomy stops at 360 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.910 the end of my fist. My fist connect with your nose. Have violated 361 00:24:53.950 --> 00:24:56.190 bodily of time. I can't do what I want to with my body. 362 00:24:56.230 --> 00:25:00.910 Yeah, and ultimately are our bodies are not our own. Our bodies belong 363 00:25:00.950 --> 00:25:03.349 to the Lord exactly everything be yes, yeah, and we know everything belongs 364 00:25:03.390 --> 00:25:06.430 to God. The body is for the Lord and the Lord is for the 365 00:25:06.470 --> 00:25:10.460 body. As believers in particular, our bodies are temple of the Holy Spirit, 366 00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:11.740 timples of the Holy Spirit. So you can't do whatever you want to 367 00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:15.900 with your body. Right. And it's funny, though, as I'm looking 368 00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:19.859 out on facebook, social media, in the media in general, and a 369 00:25:19.980 --> 00:25:23.690 lot of folks who would tell bodily autonomy as the end all of everything. 370 00:25:25.289 --> 00:25:26.809 You have bodily autonomy, you can do it, you won't. You can't 371 00:25:26.809 --> 00:25:29.970 tell me what to do with my body, or some of the same folks 372 00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:33.210 that would support the idea of like forced quarantine. Right, right, so 373 00:25:33.769 --> 00:25:37.039 you can do what you want to do with your own body or you can't. 374 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:38.680 Which one is it? Yeah, just today I was I was with 375 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:44.119 I guess I was closer than six feet Tokay, at one of the pro 376 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:48.079 choice people, okay, and he said you need to move back. I 377 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.109 probably was five feet away from him, and I did. I did. 378 00:25:52.150 --> 00:25:56.670 I got it. But you know, it's funny because he is also there 379 00:25:56.750 --> 00:26:02.069 standing in support of the full bodily autonomy of any mother who wants to kill 380 00:26:02.109 --> 00:26:03.619 their child. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean I talked to the 381 00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:07.539 same guy today and he he believes that children in the womb are alive. 382 00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:11.980 He says he's a Christian. He's not a Christian. Yeah, says he's 383 00:26:11.980 --> 00:26:15.220 the Christian. He's believes that unborn children have value, but their value is 384 00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:19.569 basically the woman's choice. Trump's the value of that, that life, which 385 00:26:19.609 --> 00:26:22.490 is like completely upside down with this. But this is an article. This 386 00:26:22.609 --> 00:26:27.329 is a CNN article actually, and the title is a corona patient refused to 387 00:26:27.329 --> 00:26:30.569 quarantine. Their deputies are surrounding his house to force him to. Wow. 388 00:26:30.690 --> 00:26:33.039 And where is this? This is in Kentucky. Okay, so it says 389 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:40.039 a Kentucky Novel Corona Virus Patient Checked himself out of the hospital against medical advice. 390 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:42.640 So to prevent him from spreading the virus, officials are surrounding his house 391 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.559 to keep him there. So this is a guy, fifty three year old 392 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.109 man, who has test depositive for this thing. So he's got it. 393 00:26:49.190 --> 00:26:53.390 Yeah, and he has the potential of affecting other people. I mean possibly 394 00:26:53.470 --> 00:26:57.269 he could affect thousands of people, just one person. He's yeah, you 395 00:26:57.349 --> 00:27:00.539 look at these graphs and how one person can affect a bunch of people. 396 00:27:00.579 --> 00:27:04.299 He can just spreads, spreads and spreads. So this man is being forced 397 00:27:04.539 --> 00:27:10.099 to be quarantine, it says, read known Nelson County, from Nelson County, 398 00:27:10.539 --> 00:27:17.049 which is in Kentucky, officials said forced isolate or imposed forced isolation on 399 00:27:17.130 --> 00:27:21.289 the man who was confirmed to have the he was one of the first of 400 00:27:21.450 --> 00:27:26.250 twenty confirmed cases in Kentucky. And you know, it just was interesting to 401 00:27:26.369 --> 00:27:30.480 me because I'm thinking, if I'm this dude, I mean, if I'm 402 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.400 this dude and I found that I've got this coronavirus, I'm going to self 403 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:38.400 quarantine myself, sure, but I also can identify with him in one sense. 404 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.480 It is like the government's not going to tell me what to do. 405 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.509 You know, he's probably got this thing and he's probably not that sick. 406 00:27:45.549 --> 00:27:48.549 If he checked himselt out of the hospital, he's probably not doing so bad 407 00:27:48.670 --> 00:27:52.190 himself. Right, if he's able to check himself out of the hospital, 408 00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:56.109 he's probably not doing so bad. so He's thinking to McDonald's. He wants 409 00:27:56.150 --> 00:27:57.619 to go to McDonald's, he wants to hang out with his family, he 410 00:27:57.819 --> 00:28:02.700 wants to whatever, you know, he wants to do. And who gets 411 00:28:02.740 --> 00:28:06.019 to tell him he can't. Yeah, well, apparently these officials can the 412 00:28:06.099 --> 00:28:10.019 so what does this have to do with bodily autonomy? It has everything to 413 00:28:10.059 --> 00:28:12.769 do with bodily autonomy. Yeah, this virus is in his body, right, 414 00:28:14.089 --> 00:28:17.769 it's something that's inside of his body. Can't he do with his body 415 00:28:17.849 --> 00:28:21.609 what he wants to, even if it will affect other people? I mean, 416 00:28:21.650 --> 00:28:25.049 that's the pro choice argument. A lot of pro choice people will say, 417 00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:26.920 yes, I agree, the baby is a living thing. I mean, 418 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.039 listen, if we're looking at viruses, and it's little off track, 419 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.880 but a virus, is that a living thing? Okay, I mean some 420 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.240 people say no, some people say yeah, at least it's the potential. 421 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:44.309 Right, most people. You'd have to be a little bit sick. We're 422 00:28:44.390 --> 00:28:48.589 not sick. You just stupid to believe that an unborn child in the womb 423 00:28:48.750 --> 00:28:52.589 is not a living thing. It is a living thing. And of course 424 00:28:52.670 --> 00:28:56.579 the argument is from their standpoint, pro choice people standpoint, is it. 425 00:28:56.859 --> 00:29:00.099 Yes, it's a living thing, but it's not a person. It does 426 00:29:00.220 --> 00:29:03.539 have personhood and of course viruses don't have personhood, and that's true. We 427 00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:07.500 we believe that it is a person right. We believe that there's a person 428 00:29:07.539 --> 00:29:11.490 there inside the womb and that your decision to what you want to do, 429 00:29:11.569 --> 00:29:14.490 quote, with your body, is going to affect that person to the point 430 00:29:14.490 --> 00:29:17.529 where that person is going to die. In this case, you know, 431 00:29:17.650 --> 00:29:22.730 this man may infect other people and other people may die. That's a possibility 432 00:29:23.130 --> 00:29:27.519 in an abortion, at least from our standpoint, it definitely will affected of 433 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:33.599 the person that that other person definitely will die if a woman exercises her bodily 434 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.599 autonomy to to have an abortion. Yeah, yeah, so you would. 435 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:42.750 It's a there's a should be a greater punishment. Yeah, whide. There 436 00:29:42.869 --> 00:29:47.390 is a definite death versus a P sibbule. Yeah, yeah, in the 437 00:29:47.470 --> 00:29:49.710 other yeah, no doubt about it. And so it just seems to me 438 00:29:51.029 --> 00:29:53.460 a little hypocritical, yeah, for people who would claim to be pro choice 439 00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:57.779 and all, for like bodily autonomy is the end all of everything, to 440 00:29:59.099 --> 00:30:00.460 be okay with this. Yeah, a minute. I mean, yeah, 441 00:30:00.500 --> 00:30:03.619 he's his decision is going to affect other people, right, some my body, 442 00:30:03.740 --> 00:30:07.970 not my choice in him, not in this situation. But I think 443 00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:12.609 most people will agree that this is an appropriate restriction, and this is kind 444 00:30:12.650 --> 00:30:18.089 of the point. This is an appropriate restriction imposed by the government on a 445 00:30:18.210 --> 00:30:22.519 person who doesn't want to do the right thing. People talk about in the 446 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.920 abortion conversations that you and I've had is a government forcing the morality of some 447 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.640 people on other people. Right, the can't have an abortion. And you 448 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:37.630 know there's restrictions and stuff that people have imposed and they're saying that's religious legislators 449 00:30:37.670 --> 00:30:45.910 imposing their morality on women. This is legislators, this is government officials imposing 450 00:30:47.190 --> 00:30:51.819 their morality on this man. Exactly. They're saying his quality of life is 451 00:30:52.099 --> 00:30:56.259 not as important as all the people that he might ultimately harm. Yeah, 452 00:30:56.420 --> 00:31:00.900 yeah, and it seems again, it seems to be a contradiction. If 453 00:31:00.940 --> 00:31:06.849 you're okay with this, then if there's restrictions of the government places on abortion, 454 00:31:06.930 --> 00:31:08.569 why wouldn't you be okay with that? And it's because, you know 455 00:31:08.730 --> 00:31:11.569 pro choice person is going to say right away, it's because the unborn child 456 00:31:11.609 --> 00:31:15.170 is not a person, people that might be infected by this gay our people. 457 00:31:15.329 --> 00:31:18.000 Yeah, yeah, you know, think is which we have demolished that 458 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.720 argument and other think we can think we have and I'll look at that. 459 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:29.079 Yeah, so here's another point about one of the commonalities, okay, between 460 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:37.029 abortion and coronavirus. Does the Bible say anything about protecting the vulnerable, because, 461 00:31:37.109 --> 00:31:41.990 for example, the elderly, yeah, or those with the underlying issues 462 00:31:41.150 --> 00:31:48.380 are very vulnerable right now, apparently, absolutely, during this coronavirus. Does 463 00:31:48.460 --> 00:31:52.140 the Bible say anything about how we are to treat those who are elderly? 464 00:31:52.900 --> 00:31:56.700 And, of course we know it does. Yeah, talk about that. 465 00:31:56.779 --> 00:32:01.690 In the elderly are are very effective, very effected, a very effected sorry, 466 00:32:01.890 --> 00:32:08.930 correct. So let's talk about like one of those verses that tells us 467 00:32:09.410 --> 00:32:15.039 how we are to treat the vulnerable. Yeah, and well, and others. 468 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:19.559 Let's talk about the dynamic of which is why we do what we do, 469 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.599 exactly, speaking for these unborn children, and it's the dynamic of taking 470 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.599 up your cross, laying down your life for the sake of other people. 471 00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:29.839 Right, I don't go out to the sidewalk in front of an abortion clinic, 472 00:32:30.430 --> 00:32:32.190 regardless of what pro choice people might say, to stroke my ego. 473 00:32:32.630 --> 00:32:36.349 Ego, if I want to stroke my ego and feel better about myself, 474 00:32:36.710 --> 00:32:38.950 there's a lot of other places I could go, my fun places. Yes, 475 00:32:39.069 --> 00:32:44.150 exactly. I go out there because I see that there's a group of 476 00:32:44.190 --> 00:32:46.660 people are dying and I am, by God's grace, willing to lay my 477 00:32:46.700 --> 00:32:50.220 life down for them. That's why I go out. I'm willing to lay 478 00:32:50.259 --> 00:32:52.339 my life down. And you know, you people who are on social media 479 00:32:52.339 --> 00:32:57.140 and you're complaining about having to be quarantine, you're complaining about whatever you're complaining 480 00:32:57.220 --> 00:33:00.569 about. You know, we're called to lay our lives down for other people 481 00:33:00.769 --> 00:33:04.170 and it is a suffering to have to stay home. Maybe you're in the 482 00:33:04.289 --> 00:33:07.170 category of people who won't really be affected. If you did get this thing, 483 00:33:07.730 --> 00:33:10.690 it would just be like a bad cold, or not even that. 484 00:33:10.849 --> 00:33:14.759 Some people are saying it's like totally just a mild old people have it, 485 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:16.359 don't even know it right. Maybe you're one of those people. Yeah, 486 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:21.880 but understand it's not about you. Yeah, one of the the major concerns 487 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.960 here, which kind of shifted my thinking about this thing, is that you 488 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.990 could pass along to somebody who can easily be affected by this saying and it'll 489 00:33:32.150 --> 00:33:35.869 put them out, possibly kill them. Yeah, who made that may be 490 00:33:36.029 --> 00:33:40.069 hidden that, whatever their disability or whatever that they're facing could be completely hidden 491 00:33:40.069 --> 00:33:43.940 from you, and you'll make pass them in the grocery store and think, 492 00:33:44.059 --> 00:33:47.700 no big deal, but you're very passing touching things that they're going to touch 493 00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:52.779 could put their lives in jeopardy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And again, 494 00:33:52.819 --> 00:33:54.700 they're not those you might just get a cold. They're not just going 495 00:33:54.730 --> 00:33:58.210 to get a cold. It's going to affect them to the point where some 496 00:33:58.490 --> 00:34:00.410 people have died. I mean that is the major concern, is the the 497 00:34:00.490 --> 00:34:06.009 weak and the vulnerable, the elderly mainly, who's with underlying conditions, what 498 00:34:06.089 --> 00:34:08.489 they said. So we've got to be considerate of that, that sort of 499 00:34:08.570 --> 00:34:12.639 thing. We are called to lay our lives down. I lay my life 500 00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.719 down by going out to the portion clinic that sometimes maybe I need to lay 501 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.400 my life down by, you know, not having a church service on Sunday, 502 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.800 right, and setting that aside for season. And I know someone's thinking, 503 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.510 because I thought it. Well, but you're out on the sidewalk, 504 00:34:27.630 --> 00:34:30.750 yeah, and you're you're not socially isolating yourself. Yeah, but I did, 505 00:34:30.829 --> 00:34:35.190 and I think that is a valid thing to mention. But but we 506 00:34:35.309 --> 00:34:38.380 are being careful. We are, we are, we we are not hugging 507 00:34:38.420 --> 00:34:43.179 each other, we are not shaking hands and we are trying to shakes. 508 00:34:43.260 --> 00:34:45.539 Now it's been the hand. Oh, yeah, right, has nasty. 509 00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:50.500 Anyway, you know, we're trying to spread out. We do that anyway 510 00:34:50.539 --> 00:34:54.690 because it's more effective and we're trying to abide by the SOCIALIA. I mean, 511 00:34:54.730 --> 00:34:59.730 we very rarely, on a weekday especially, have more than, you 512 00:34:59.809 --> 00:35:01.690 know what, five or six people on the sidewalk anyway, right, so 513 00:35:01.929 --> 00:35:07.079 the over ten people rule is something we just not hard for us to abide 514 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.920 by. As far as that goes exactly, we're being very careful to have 515 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:16.320 the RV cleaned with the antibacterial whist all sprays and things like that. We're 516 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.440 moms are going to be coming on and the protocol is now going to be 517 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.510 between MOMS on that RV that everything is scraped down. Yeah, with the 518 00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:28.750 anti well, you know, you know today we gave out I think it 519 00:35:28.909 --> 00:35:32.429 was maybe six pieces of literature to those going into the abortion that you handed 520 00:35:32.469 --> 00:35:36.579 it out. We weren't using gloves, we were using our hands, right. 521 00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:40.820 So that can introduce the factor of risk. Yeah, and so there 522 00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:44.139 is a risk, by the way, thyough, because I did read that 523 00:35:44.380 --> 00:35:50.170 on on cardboard and paper items, there is the potential that the virus could 524 00:35:50.210 --> 00:35:53.289 be passed, but it's a very small right. Yeah, but there's there's 525 00:35:53.289 --> 00:35:59.090 a realtors, of introducing risk factor there, and we understand that. Now 526 00:35:59.369 --> 00:36:04.480 we're being intentional in about cleaning our hands and not sexing you wiping my nose 527 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.239 with my hand and put in all these literature that's grousing anyway. Yeah, 528 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.760 but one of the dynamics, as you're thinking about that, is what I 529 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.840 said earlier. Yeah, people could potentially be effect I means that potential there 530 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:22.110 for one of US cities for life counselor to pass this thing along. It's 531 00:36:22.110 --> 00:36:25.190 a potential for anybody that's that's a potential for anybody in, you know, 532 00:36:25.469 --> 00:36:30.949 in society. But we know so that could happen, certainly. But one 533 00:36:30.989 --> 00:36:35.739 of the things that we do know that is happening is that abortion clinic is 534 00:36:35.780 --> 00:36:38.900 open, babies are dying and if we're not there, those children are not 535 00:36:39.059 --> 00:36:42.219 going to have a voice. That's right. No one is going to be 536 00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:45.099 there to speak on their behalf. And we do know that our presence out 537 00:36:45.099 --> 00:36:50.010 there on that sidewalk is effective at saving lies. So we know two things. 538 00:36:50.289 --> 00:36:52.530 We know that babies are dying and our presence out there makes a difference. 539 00:36:52.849 --> 00:36:57.010 So we have to you know again, we're not trying to put other 540 00:36:57.090 --> 00:37:00.889 people at risk, but we're taking a risk to be out there on the 541 00:37:00.929 --> 00:37:06.239 sidewalk because those babies deserve our voice. Yeah, and we know that more 542 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:12.039 babies are going to die, probably did die today in our city of shires 543 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.269 and our city, just in our city alone. Then all of the deaths 544 00:37:15.590 --> 00:37:19.550 in the United States. That's yeah, I'm not sure that with the with 545 00:37:19.630 --> 00:37:22.030 the tally, I don't know what already was. A hundred right, and 546 00:37:22.150 --> 00:37:24.030 you know, we see, we can say surely in a week's time we 547 00:37:24.150 --> 00:37:29.150 see a hundred and fifty. The two hundred babies die, everything Le Rope 548 00:37:29.190 --> 00:37:30.940 in our city, trout. Yes, so mainly at latrobe. Yeah, 549 00:37:31.179 --> 00:37:36.099 and so, you know, not making light at all of those people that 550 00:37:36.179 --> 00:37:38.860 have been affected and who've died from the coronavirus. Not Making light at all. 551 00:37:39.019 --> 00:37:44.489 But we definitely know the their babies dying and that we should intervene. 552 00:37:44.570 --> 00:37:50.369 And these babies are in God's view and thereby an our view. Just as 553 00:37:50.409 --> 00:37:53.769 valuable is people who were potentially affected by about rights. They're human beings made 554 00:37:53.769 --> 00:37:59.400 in his M yeah, now we're not ignoring the fact that there is an 555 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:04.280 authority of government and we as as Christians, need to obey yeah, a 556 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.840 government, and we did talk about this in another podcast, the Rom we 557 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.039 did thirteen. Yeah, we talked to authority of God, about of government, 558 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.550 civil disobedience, right, and where. That what our mentality is on 559 00:38:15.630 --> 00:38:19.269 that what it should be, right, right, but this does tie into 560 00:38:19.309 --> 00:38:22.070 that. You know, somebody asked me today whatever volunteers said. Okay, 561 00:38:22.590 --> 00:38:27.659 so I'm hearing about and please don't go with this as a conspiracy theory. 562 00:38:27.780 --> 00:38:30.940 Guess. Okay, but this volunteer has heard through the grape vine, and 563 00:38:31.099 --> 00:38:35.420 whether it's true or not, heremates are flying, they're flying all around, 564 00:38:35.739 --> 00:38:38.980 that the government is going to place the entire United States on lockdown. So 565 00:38:39.139 --> 00:38:44.449 it'll be just mandatory stay in your home. Yeah, what do they call 566 00:38:44.570 --> 00:38:46.610 a shelter at? Shelter in place. Yeah, so they're going to put 567 00:38:46.610 --> 00:38:51.570 that. So what's what's our position going to be? Are we going to 568 00:38:52.090 --> 00:38:54.130 be willing to come out even if the abortion clinic is opening? In my 569 00:38:54.210 --> 00:38:57.880 mind, if they're going to do that shelter in place thing and they allow 570 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.159 these abortion clinics to stay open? Right, that's ridiculous. Right. I 571 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:06.800 mean, they're already talking about doctor's office. Should limit limit these elected procedures 572 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.869 which abortion is elected in elected procedure. Certainly, not just because you know 573 00:39:10.949 --> 00:39:15.389 it's dangerous and spread the virus, but also to keep the medical supplies and 574 00:39:15.429 --> 00:39:19.269 stuff from being used in ways, yeah, that you know they could be 575 00:39:19.309 --> 00:39:22.829 used to help these coronavirus passions. Right. So, but you know, 576 00:39:22.949 --> 00:39:25.940 and so he asked me that question, if they're still open and there's a 577 00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:30.420 shelter in place order, yeah, and you can only come out for essential 578 00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:34.860 things. What is your view of this going to be? And immediately I'm 579 00:39:34.900 --> 00:39:37.730 like, well, what we're doing is essential. It's essential to these babies, 580 00:39:37.769 --> 00:39:39.769 and that's going to be my argument. I am going to come out 581 00:39:39.809 --> 00:39:43.690 and I'm going to stand on that sidewalk now, if I have to be, 582 00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:45.570 you know, I'm not going to. If they come and threatened to 583 00:39:45.730 --> 00:39:49.130 put me in jail if I leave, I'm not going to go to jail. 584 00:39:50.369 --> 00:39:54.159 Well, hopefully Gott'll give me wisdom. It will cross that bridge, 585 00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:00.119 across that bridge and we get there. But you know, that is a 586 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.000 question that we need to ask ourselves. And what is wisdom in that situation? 587 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.150 And how do we apply the principle of laying our lives down for our 588 00:40:07.190 --> 00:40:10.550 neighbors, because it's sort of a there's a tension there, yeah, right, 589 00:40:10.710 --> 00:40:15.070 that we need to you know, sort of a bit of biblical tension 590 00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:16.309 that we need to consider, we need to pray through and we need to 591 00:40:16.510 --> 00:40:20.389 and you apply wisdom. Yeah, and it does. It is directly. 592 00:40:20.550 --> 00:40:24.099 Okay, are we obeying God? Or if if the government comes and tells 593 00:40:24.099 --> 00:40:28.139 us to do something that goes against what we know in our heart God is 594 00:40:28.260 --> 00:40:31.579 telling us clearly, yeah, and his word and in our spirit to do, 595 00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:37.050 then we need to hopeake on. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So 596 00:40:37.449 --> 00:40:42.530 that's not to me. That's not a cut and dry thing try to figure 597 00:40:42.530 --> 00:40:44.969 out, but I think in those situations you have to do the best that 598 00:40:45.050 --> 00:40:47.530 we can. Yeah, you know, the government has has said as a 599 00:40:47.610 --> 00:40:53.480 recommendation, not as a mandate. They have mandated in the state North Carolina 600 00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.320 that no gatherings of a hundred people are more. That's not a problem for 601 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.800 us, but they have from the CDC and from, you know, the 602 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.670 federal government, recommended that no more than ten people should be together in the 603 00:41:05.750 --> 00:41:08.030 same place. But we know in the abortion center there's more than ten people. 604 00:41:08.030 --> 00:41:10.070 Oh Yeah, today they were just the workers. Yeah, I mean 605 00:41:10.150 --> 00:41:14.070 just the workers. Yeah, probably Sol is is close to ten? If 606 00:41:14.150 --> 00:41:15.909 not? Yeah, yeah, certainly. But you know, I have a 607 00:41:15.949 --> 00:41:19.659 family of ten, as I mentioned earlier. Yeah, I can't even have 608 00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:22.460 a guess they but you can have another baby. Blue Families have twelve kids, 609 00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:24.699 you know, and it's like well, I gotta send some outside. 610 00:41:24.699 --> 00:41:29.019 Of course not, right. Right. So there's something you can't abide by 611 00:41:29.420 --> 00:41:30.940 and it's not a law, it's just a recommendation, right, but if 612 00:41:30.980 --> 00:41:36.650 it becomes a law, that's just something that you can abide by in some 613 00:41:36.809 --> 00:41:40.130 way. If, especially for those big families, I can't obey this. 614 00:41:40.170 --> 00:41:44.010 Yeah, you know, yeah, it's a it's a it's a little bit 615 00:41:44.769 --> 00:41:46.090 over the top, I think so. In a lot of this over the 616 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.559 top is is a result of fear. There's so much over the top that's 617 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.880 a result of fear, and I thought it was a very interesting comparison, 618 00:41:54.639 --> 00:42:00.869 excuse me, between coronavirus and abortion, in that I would say a huge 619 00:42:00.869 --> 00:42:05.989 driver of abortion is fear. Oh Yeah, yes, we were an article 620 00:42:06.030 --> 00:42:08.269 about that. In the sidewalks of life, you know, the spirit of 621 00:42:08.309 --> 00:42:12.949 fear, a spear understanding that women come to an abortion clinic under a spirit 622 00:42:12.989 --> 00:42:15.780 of fear life, right, they fastically they face overwhelming obstacles. In their 623 00:42:15.860 --> 00:42:21.659 mind they're terrified, they don't feel like they can face the future with this 624 00:42:21.940 --> 00:42:25.380 baby, and so they do this unthinkable act. A mother killing her own 625 00:42:25.380 --> 00:42:31.090 child and coronavirus. The panic is clearly fueled by fear. Yeah, there 626 00:42:31.250 --> 00:42:37.210 is. I I would give them that. There are some facts that certainly, 627 00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:39.849 I think, justify what they're trying to do and some, yeah, 628 00:42:39.929 --> 00:42:44.760 maybe, maybe not at all, but but in most areas. But but 629 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:46.920 so fear. So how do we combat? I think that's an important thing 630 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:50.800 to maybe, as we're getting close to the end of this, talk about 631 00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:55.639 how do we combat as believers, how do we combat fear? Yeah, 632 00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:00.429 because fears the driver. Yeah, for many people not say that, you 633 00:43:00.469 --> 00:43:02.829 know. That's why people. My wife was in the grocery store on Monday 634 00:43:02.869 --> 00:43:08.670 getting groceries and graciously the Lord provided yeah, the grocers. That were a 635 00:43:08.909 --> 00:43:12.510 paper. We already had something, so we were good on that. But 636 00:43:12.590 --> 00:43:15.579 there was a lady walking down the aisles and I'm like that lady. They 637 00:43:15.659 --> 00:43:19.820 she all locked her up because he's walking down the aisles and saying everybody get 638 00:43:19.820 --> 00:43:22.579 everything unique because the government's about to shut everything down, and she's just she's 639 00:43:22.699 --> 00:43:27.809 fear mongering right. She she's spreading that, and then I can that's prettier 640 00:43:27.889 --> 00:43:30.170 panic and she's obviously under her fear. And you know, I can get 641 00:43:30.170 --> 00:43:35.570 it. You know there's some unknowns. Every time there's unknowns in our lives, 642 00:43:35.610 --> 00:43:37.969 there's a potential for fear. Yeah, right, I mean we can 643 00:43:37.969 --> 00:43:40.210 get overwhelmed by fear. Yeah, the Scripture tells us that God has not 644 00:43:40.289 --> 00:43:45.039 given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound 645 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.880 mind. So that spirit of fear, it doesn't come from the Lord. 646 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.920 There's so many. One preacher said, several preachers were said it, that 647 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.429 the command given more time than any other command in the Bible is fear not. 648 00:43:57.750 --> 00:44:00.949 It's not a suggestion, it's fear not. It's an encouragement from the 649 00:44:00.989 --> 00:44:02.949 Lord to not be afraid. And they're one of the things that I've scripture. 650 00:44:02.949 --> 00:44:06.909 I've been meditating them even before this thing, but just based on some 651 00:44:06.949 --> 00:44:08.309 of the things we've been dealing with as a family, some of the battles 652 00:44:08.349 --> 00:44:10.179 we've been in, and I know a lot of people in a bunch of 653 00:44:10.219 --> 00:44:16.780 different battles. Is Psalm Ninety one those who abide. He abides in the 654 00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:21.820 secret place of the most high. Will will he who dwells already in the 655 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:24.050 secret path of the most high well abide into the shadow of the Almighty? 656 00:44:24.090 --> 00:44:28.449 And so God has just been comforting me with Psalm Ninety one. And if 657 00:44:28.489 --> 00:44:30.889 you guys hadn't read that Salm in a while, get into that, meditate 658 00:44:30.969 --> 00:44:32.969 on that Psalm. It even talks about pestlings. You'll not be overtaken by 659 00:44:34.050 --> 00:44:38.119 pestlings, and it just can help us get in a place of off faith 660 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.519 rather than fear, because that is the opposite, I think. Well, 661 00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:47.360 maybe not exact opposite, but walking in fear and walking in faith are too 662 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:52.519 very opposite things, very different things. Yeah, walking in faith, you 663 00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:54.909 know, you've got the overthetop you know, if you truly believe in God, 664 00:44:55.070 --> 00:44:58.869 if you truly believe God's sovereign, then you you'll go to church and 665 00:44:58.989 --> 00:45:01.869 you'll whatever. You know, you'll you'll wipe your nose on, touch those 666 00:45:01.909 --> 00:45:07.110 people that are on the respirator and yeah, yeah, exactly know. Yet 667 00:45:07.179 --> 00:45:10.500 that over the top kind of mentality and that's not really faith. Faith is 668 00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:15.659 first faith is looking at God's word. That's what we're hopefully helping you guys 669 00:45:15.739 --> 00:45:17.099 to do. Look in God's words, see the principles of God's word. 670 00:45:17.300 --> 00:45:22.289 So faith it's first and foremost doing what God's word says. Stepping out in 671 00:45:22.409 --> 00:45:25.369 faith is stepping out in the troops of God's word. But faith also doesn't 672 00:45:25.449 --> 00:45:30.730 look stupid, right. Just don't be stupid. How about that? Maybe 673 00:45:30.769 --> 00:45:31.929 that's the word of wisdom from you guys. Listen, don't be stupid. 674 00:45:31.969 --> 00:45:36.360 It's not faith to just do whatever you want, whenever you want. We 675 00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:38.559 have to consider other people. But also we can't be under fear, you 676 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:43.880 know, staying behind closed doors just because you're afraid of going out that you 677 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.519 might get some virus. That's that might affect you. You can't live in 678 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:51.110 the world of might, might, this, might this. You know, 679 00:45:51.550 --> 00:45:55.389 are that we should have this level of trust in the Lord his goodness, 680 00:45:55.469 --> 00:45:59.949 in his provision and apply wisdom. Yeah, I'm I'm working my way through 681 00:45:59.989 --> 00:46:07.980 numbers and I just loved this from numbers thirteen. Okay, we're Caleb and 682 00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:12.619 the others have spied out the promised land, and remember the most of the 683 00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:15.380 spies come back quivering. Oh yeah, there is no way we can fear 684 00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:17.889 there. And then they are under spirit of fear. Those are giants. 685 00:46:19.010 --> 00:46:21.969 Yeah, and all they could see where those giants and that they could never 686 00:46:22.130 --> 00:46:29.570 defeat the giants. But Caleb, this is the verse in numbers thirteen, 687 00:46:29.610 --> 00:46:35.119 starting in verse thirty. But Caleb quieted the people before Moses and said, 688 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.079 let us go up at once and occupy it, for we are well able 689 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:43.239 to overcome it. And then the verse goes on and just talks about the 690 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:47.190 fear of the spies and they ultimately defy caleb and defy God and and are 691 00:46:47.269 --> 00:46:52.909 punished. Yeah, but but later on were told that Caleb was a man 692 00:46:53.030 --> 00:46:58.630 who followed God. Yeah, and and trusted in God and didn't let that 693 00:46:58.909 --> 00:47:04.300 fear overwhelm following what God would have him do. Yeah, yeah, and 694 00:47:04.659 --> 00:47:07.980 you know, Caleb had to look crazy to the people around him, and 695 00:47:08.059 --> 00:47:13.940 the majority of the people were actually against what Caleb was was telling them. 696 00:47:14.860 --> 00:47:19.329 So what made Caleb different than the rest of the people? What what did 697 00:47:19.409 --> 00:47:22.369 his confidence in, his lack of fear? He wasn't you. He doesn't 698 00:47:22.409 --> 00:47:25.489 point out, Hey, we're well able to overcome this thing, because look 699 00:47:25.489 --> 00:47:29.010 at all the armies we got and look at all the other people we've defeated 700 00:47:29.050 --> 00:47:32.159 based on our own our own strength. Well, listen to this. I 701 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.199 can answer from scripture, which is the best because I write. Okay, 702 00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.440 this is it's perfect. Okay, numbers fourteen, twenty four. Answers your 703 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:44.550 question. All right, all right. What was different about Caleb? Yeah, 704 00:47:44.590 --> 00:47:46.750 would did he understand? where? What was his perspective here? It 705 00:47:46.949 --> 00:47:52.030 wasn't the others perspective, but my servant Caleb, this is God's. Yeah, 706 00:47:52.269 --> 00:47:59.380 but my servant Caleb, because he has a different spirit and has followed 707 00:47:59.659 --> 00:48:04.300 me fully. I will bring into the land in which he went and his 708 00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:09.579 descendants shall possess it. So here's the key, a different spirit that fully 709 00:48:09.619 --> 00:48:15.130 follows God. Yeah, that is not saying, in terms of coronavirus, 710 00:48:15.210 --> 00:48:19.329 that we're supposed to just run out there and say I'm going to go touch 711 00:48:19.369 --> 00:48:23.289 everyone. Yeah, I have covered with God's grace and mercy and he will 712 00:48:23.369 --> 00:48:28.280 protect me, but it is to say, be very aware of what God 713 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:34.480 is saying and follow him fully. Yeah, yeah, you. Caleb knew 714 00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:38.199 God. Yeah, Caleb Knew God was on his side. So Caleb didn't 715 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:43.510 walk in fear, he walked in faith. He knew God and he knew 716 00:48:43.510 --> 00:48:46.070 what God was able to do as far as conquering the land here and these 717 00:48:46.110 --> 00:48:51.429 other people who were not like Cable Caleb, who had a different spirit right, 718 00:48:51.550 --> 00:48:53.510 had a spirit of fear. They were afraid of the future. And 719 00:48:53.630 --> 00:48:57.900 I get it, guys and and no one's saying, please, don't take 720 00:48:57.900 --> 00:49:00.820 you to this way that if you're if you're applying wisdom and you're staying at 721 00:49:00.820 --> 00:49:06.780 home and you've got sick or maybe sick loved ones, or you've got people 722 00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:08.380 well that if they can get sick from this thing, that they would get 723 00:49:08.780 --> 00:49:13.289 staying at home, that's that's while stem. Yeah, absolutely so, no 724 00:49:13.409 --> 00:49:16.690 one saying you're faithless, but we can't be coward down in a spirit of 725 00:49:16.730 --> 00:49:21.449 fear and just be under this thing thinking that, you know, if it 726 00:49:21.530 --> 00:49:24.519 flows out of selfishness. Yeah, and only you can tell that. If 727 00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:29.400 it flows out of selfishness, you're operating under a spirit of fear. If 728 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.440 it flows out of selflessness, then you're operating in faith. I would say 729 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:36.079 that would be that would be a good principle to go by. Think he's 730 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:39.630 crazy, just self preservation, or are you considered of other people? Yeah, 731 00:49:40.190 --> 00:49:44.309 and and that'll help. I think people gage, Hey, am understring 732 00:49:44.429 --> 00:49:45.949 fear, and if you are, you know what shirk that thing off. 733 00:49:46.150 --> 00:49:49.469 Yeah, get in the word of God. See what God's Word said, 734 00:49:49.510 --> 00:49:52.699 follow him wholeheartedly. Like him, lordly. Yeah, and again, we're 735 00:49:52.699 --> 00:49:55.780 not saying you're faithless if you're staying at home. That's not the point of 736 00:49:55.820 --> 00:49:59.940 this podcast. We're talked not to tempt the Lord, and I think that 737 00:50:00.139 --> 00:50:05.260 is tempting the Lord when you're walking into a danger that is is clearly going 738 00:50:05.300 --> 00:50:07.690 to harm other put putting yourself an unnecessary danger right, and putting others in 739 00:50:07.769 --> 00:50:13.170 a necessary danger right, is you know, it's that's not faith right, 740 00:50:13.530 --> 00:50:16.289 that's you know, that's the devil telling Jesus, Hey, if you're the 741 00:50:16.329 --> 00:50:21.010 son of God, throw yourself off exactly, because God will sect you exactly. 742 00:50:21.130 --> 00:50:23.079 And he's actually, I believe, the devil is quote in Psalm Ninety 743 00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:25.719 one. Yeah, and that passes. Matter of fact, I'm fairly confident. 744 00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.239 Yeah, is. And this is the this is a psalm of protection, 745 00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.599 in God's right, protecting those who stay in abide in him right. 746 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:38.349 And so the devil will prefer scripture and UN knowing human beings will pervert scripture 747 00:50:38.389 --> 00:50:40.750 to and make it apply in a way that it shouldn't. So you don't 748 00:50:40.789 --> 00:50:45.590 tempt God all right, but walk in faith. Yeah, so, I 749 00:50:45.710 --> 00:50:49.309 mean I think that's is that is that? Yeah, wrapping US o? 750 00:50:49.510 --> 00:50:52.059 Yeah, yeah, so I hope you guys are blessed by this. I 751 00:50:52.179 --> 00:50:57.340 hope that you know we've given you some solid stuff. As I started, 752 00:50:57.460 --> 00:51:00.139 you know, I said we're going to have a conversation, probably not going 753 00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:02.059 to give you a whole lot more than you already have. I think that 754 00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:05.809 we have that. You think we've touched on some stuff. I've been encouraged 755 00:51:05.849 --> 00:51:09.010 to this and just thought through some things a little more than that I had 756 00:51:09.090 --> 00:51:14.250 before. We Are we want to encourage you guys. You be willing to 757 00:51:14.289 --> 00:51:16.409 reach out, be willing to reach out to neighbors. If there are people 758 00:51:16.929 --> 00:51:21.239 in our church is doing a thing where if you're able bodied and you can 759 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.079 deliver meals to people, or if you can do things like go get groceries 760 00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:30.760 for people, obviously using proper sanitary methods and all of that, then are 761 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:32.630 you willing to do that, as our church is doing that, orchestrateing some 762 00:51:32.949 --> 00:51:36.949 people to go out and help others, you know, in a wise way? 763 00:51:37.429 --> 00:51:38.190 If you can do that, if you can help your neighbors, if 764 00:51:38.230 --> 00:51:43.510 maybe if you got eighty seven rolls or eighty seven packs of tilet aaports them 765 00:51:43.510 --> 00:51:45.909 out and come to my house, because we don't have that money. Maybe 766 00:51:46.030 --> 00:51:49.860 you can step out in that way and right and certainly you can be a 767 00:51:49.900 --> 00:51:52.260 witness wherever you are for the Lord. Yeah, be praying. Also, 768 00:51:52.340 --> 00:51:54.780 be praying for our nation, like I said, and we as a family 769 00:51:55.099 --> 00:51:59.460 we're praying every night. We're praying for this country, praying for the leaders. 770 00:51:59.500 --> 00:52:00.570 The Bible tells us. Pray for our leaders, who guess. Pray 771 00:52:00.650 --> 00:52:05.889 for your leaders. Pray for repentance. Pray whether that this is a judgment 772 00:52:05.969 --> 00:52:09.170 from God. If it is, then be praying that the nation will turn 773 00:52:09.210 --> 00:52:12.489 back to the Lord. If it ain't, be praying that the nation will 774 00:52:12.489 --> 00:52:15.320 turn back to the Lord. It's at least an opportunity for that. So 775 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.800 reach out to us if there's things that we touched on in this podcast that 776 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:22.360 you like for us to expound all. Maybe we can take some opportunity to 777 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.559 that. Maybe we messed up and we said something that that offended you. 778 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:30.429 Wouldn't be the first time. Reach out. Let us know. We'd like 779 00:52:30.510 --> 00:52:31.550 to talk with you and verse with you about it. You can reach out 780 00:52:31.550 --> 00:52:36.150 to me, D parks, at cities for lifecom, Vicky is Vikasse orget 781 00:52:36.190 --> 00:52:37.789 cities for lifecom. We'd love to hear from you, guys. Share this 782 00:52:37.909 --> 00:52:42.150 podcast if you think it'll be a blessing to other people. Lead a leave 783 00:52:42.190 --> 00:52:45.539 us a review in apple podcast or the other podcast platforms that you use. 784 00:52:46.059 --> 00:53:00.170 And until next time, God bless me for love. Give me our love 785 00:53:00.409 --> 00:53:12.809 for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. 786 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:14.480 And some you