Using Signs to Reach Abortion-minded Women

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.869 Lord, I am Your Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. This 3 00:00:10.990 --> 00:00:14.830 episode we're going to talk about how to use signs effectively to reach abortion minded 4 00:00:14.910 --> 00:00:18.230 women at an abortion center. We're going to look at this from a biblical 5 00:00:18.309 --> 00:00:29.059 and practical perspective. So stay tuned. I felt show passish touch your heart. 6 00:00:35.340 --> 00:00:39.409 Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We, as always, 7 00:00:39.450 --> 00:00:44.850 appreciate you guys listening and would appreciate if you guys would share this podcast, 8 00:00:45.009 --> 00:00:49.090 this episode, with your friends, with your family, with people you love 9 00:00:49.170 --> 00:00:52.280 and people that you don't love so much. Maybe it'll be a blessing to 10 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:58.000 them. And I think this episode we're going to touch on some some pretty 11 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:02.200 practical stuff. I think we always do, always touch on practical stuff, 12 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:06.230 but we kind of get in the realm of theology and some of our podcasts 13 00:01:06.510 --> 00:01:07.750 we're going to get into some of that. We're going to dig into some 14 00:01:07.829 --> 00:01:12.189 scripture, but we're going to dig into some some real practical things here as 15 00:01:12.269 --> 00:01:15.989 it pertains to signs. Yeah, and when we talk about signs, we've 16 00:01:17.030 --> 00:01:23.219 seen some miraculous signs, ways that God has spoken to women and men at 17 00:01:23.260 --> 00:01:26.140 the abortion center and spoken through us, and praise God for that. But 18 00:01:26.260 --> 00:01:29.459 in this episode we're not really talking about that. We're talking about signs, 19 00:01:29.620 --> 00:01:33.450 like literal signs, literal signs like what you hold, what you display. 20 00:01:33.769 --> 00:01:37.370 We actually had a guy reach out to us a couple of weeks ago with 21 00:01:37.849 --> 00:01:41.170 why don't you guys do a podcast about signage, and so I thought, 22 00:01:41.250 --> 00:01:45.890 Hey, we should, we ask people for suggestions on podcasts and he shot 23 00:01:45.930 --> 00:01:49.680 us out of suggestion. So will we're certainly cover that subject. Yeah, 24 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.480 and it's not as if we haven't covered this subject before in some measure. 25 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:59.120 If you guys remember, a couple of months ago, maybe three or four 26 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.829 months ago, we had the folks from CBR, center for bio ethical reform, 27 00:02:02.989 --> 00:02:07.150 that do the gap project right, which is genocide awareness project, where 28 00:02:07.150 --> 00:02:13.389 they go in display victim images babies that are victims of abortion. They do 29 00:02:13.509 --> 00:02:17.860 it my mainly on college campuses with signs show people what abortion is, what 30 00:02:17.979 --> 00:02:22.139 it actually does, to provoke conversation. So you guys can go back and 31 00:02:22.180 --> 00:02:24.379 listen to that. We're not going to talk about graphic signs so much. 32 00:02:24.419 --> 00:02:28.419 We might mention it a little bit, just some of our philosophy as it 33 00:02:28.539 --> 00:02:34.370 pertains to that, and I recognize that there are that's a controversial subject right 34 00:02:34.650 --> 00:02:38.370 for people who even do ministry at abortion clinics. It's a controversial subject whether 35 00:02:38.370 --> 00:02:40.409 or not you should use graphic signs. Will give you a little bit and 36 00:02:40.449 --> 00:02:44.129 in that podcast we gave you a little bit of our philosophy behind that, 37 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:46.879 but I believe that is a thing where it's between you and the Lord and 38 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:51.719 just do what you feel like the Lord is calling you to do in that 39 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.280 area. Hey, but we're going to talk practically about signage. Yeah, 40 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:59.469 we do our sidewalk trainings. This is one of the things that we touch 41 00:02:59.550 --> 00:03:04.349 on the effective usage of signage. We talk about the effective usage of literature. 42 00:03:04.789 --> 00:03:07.629 Maybe we'll do a podcast episode about that. I don't know if it's 43 00:03:07.870 --> 00:03:13.860 enough to really fill up a whole episode and I think maybe this episode will 44 00:03:13.860 --> 00:03:16.219 be short. Maybe maybe not. We'll find out as we progress in the 45 00:03:16.300 --> 00:03:22.500 episode. But we touch on all these different tools that the lord uses and 46 00:03:22.659 --> 00:03:25.620 that we can employ to bring truth to a mother that's coming to an abortion 47 00:03:25.740 --> 00:03:29.770 center. So our voices, of course, or a tool that God has 48 00:03:29.810 --> 00:03:32.050 given us, amplified sound, which we do use here in Charlotte. That's 49 00:03:32.050 --> 00:03:35.930 a tool, right. Yeah, speakers, that's a tool. Literature, 50 00:03:36.009 --> 00:03:39.250 that's a tool to get the truth to these MOMS. And and then signage, 51 00:03:39.409 --> 00:03:43.560 that's tool, those other tools to the mobultrasound unit that you guys have 52 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.080 heard US mentioned, that we have here in Charlotte, ultrasound just in general 53 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:51.840 as a machine, ultrasound machine and just the practical visual they're share. That's 54 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:54.159 a tool. These things are tools for us to bring the truth to a 55 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:58.310 mom's that it's at an abortion clinic. Ultimately the goal is to bring the 56 00:03:58.389 --> 00:04:02.870 Gospel to her. So let's jump into that tool called signage. Yeah, 57 00:04:03.270 --> 00:04:08.789 and what is the ports of the purpose of signs? Yeah, well, 58 00:04:08.949 --> 00:04:13.419 they're they're your planting seeds of truth from the beginning. Yeah, thank you 59 00:04:13.500 --> 00:04:15.300 said. And and we have three kind of main areas. We've said this 60 00:04:15.459 --> 00:04:19.339 many, many times, three main areas of truth. Yeah, that we 61 00:04:19.420 --> 00:04:24.329 kind of focus on. Yeah, it's something we call our are three talking 62 00:04:24.490 --> 00:04:28.089 points, three vital talking points. If you guys have been on the sidewalks 63 00:04:28.129 --> 00:04:31.089 for life. Website we have an article about this. They're in our trainings 64 00:04:31.129 --> 00:04:35.970 here locally. And then as we're raising up sidewalk missionaries under love life throughout 65 00:04:36.170 --> 00:04:40.560 the entire nation and throughout the world. This is what we're teaching. We're 66 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.959 teaching these three vital talking points, and this is just things that over the 67 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:48.319 years we've discovered. Hey, what we're saying fits into these categories. Pretty 68 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:53.230 much everything. Yeah, and the tools that we use, again the literature, 69 00:04:53.230 --> 00:05:00.629 are voices and signage plants. These three kinds of seeds of truth, 70 00:05:00.709 --> 00:05:03.029 right. And so what are they? Well, okay, so humanity of 71 00:05:03.029 --> 00:05:05.949 the baby. Yeah, first of all. Now, wouldn't include just the 72 00:05:05.990 --> 00:05:10.060 mere fact that you useeing the word baby. Yeah, I'm showing pictures of 73 00:05:10.100 --> 00:05:14.579 the babies, talking about and showing pictures of baby development. Yeah, so 74 00:05:14.740 --> 00:05:17.899 that's that's number one. Yeah. The second one is what God says, 75 00:05:18.379 --> 00:05:24.449 both about the baby, about life, about taking innocent life, all of 76 00:05:24.529 --> 00:05:29.449 those kind of things that that the Bible mentions. Yeah, about this whole 77 00:05:29.930 --> 00:05:33.970 prolife subject. Yeah. And then thirdly, resources, and I have an 78 00:05:34.009 --> 00:05:39.920 interesting little recent story about signage of resource. So, okay, so resources. 79 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:43.120 No, just so you guys who are listening kind of understand where we're 80 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.079 going with this, is we're talking about. These are things, these are 81 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:50.470 nuggets of truth, these are seeds of truth that can be put on displayed 82 00:05:50.470 --> 00:05:55.589 own signageect to reach a mother, to reach a father going into the abortion 83 00:05:55.750 --> 00:05:58.230 center. So yes, and we're going to talk about how you might put 84 00:05:58.269 --> 00:06:00.990 those images to convey you to these truths. Yeah, as we talked more 85 00:06:01.029 --> 00:06:04.259 about types of signs, but in the resources. I was just thinking of 86 00:06:04.379 --> 00:06:09.819 this as you were starting this introduction. Very recently I had a very, 87 00:06:09.860 --> 00:06:13.939 very strong urge, following my work on the sidewalk, my time on the 88 00:06:13.980 --> 00:06:16.699 sidewalk, to go get a chick fil a salad. Oh yeah, man 89 00:06:16.899 --> 00:06:20.970 ti fully as Christian chicken. It's good. have it is it's so good 90 00:06:21.370 --> 00:06:26.129 and I passed by right on my way home all the time and it's been 91 00:06:26.250 --> 00:06:30.529 probably a year since I have stopped for a chick fil a salad. I 92 00:06:30.730 --> 00:06:32.560 love them, but you know they're a little bit pricey. I shouldn't, 93 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.639 I've got salad at home, but the urge was overwhelming. So it was 94 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:40.839 the Holy Spirit. Clearly, tell the holy spirits. There was the holy 95 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:44.199 spirits a stop at chick FIL A and, by the way, I saw 96 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.750 the signs of chickfilater directing me, which which encouraged me even more so to 97 00:06:47.870 --> 00:06:51.629 pull in. So I pull in long line, but I'm waiting in line. 98 00:06:51.629 --> 00:06:56.029 I give the young lady my order and then I'm still waiting in line 99 00:06:56.029 --> 00:06:59.750 quite a while and she knocked on my window. Okay, after I'd give 100 00:06:59.870 --> 00:07:02.060 my order, I'm thinking, what did I forget, and she said I 101 00:07:02.620 --> 00:07:08.980 see in the back of your car you have a sign free ultra sound. 102 00:07:09.579 --> 00:07:13.420 We can help you. And then she looks very serious and a little bit 103 00:07:13.540 --> 00:07:19.250 scared and said I'm pregnant. I just found out that I'm pregnant and and 104 00:07:19.490 --> 00:07:23.329 just was kind of you could tell she just didn't know what to do. 105 00:07:24.410 --> 00:07:27.970 We see this all the time Sun. So it was my sign, just 106 00:07:28.129 --> 00:07:31.040 stuffed in with my stuff in the back of the car she saw and then 107 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.839 I instantly gave her a pamphlet with my name and number on it and told 108 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:39.800 her please call me. We can help you, and then went on and 109 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:45.709 enjoyed a very delicious, Holy Spirit filled South Amen. So your sign myself 110 00:07:45.870 --> 00:07:48.870 was a sign. My sign was a sign for for her. Obviously she 111 00:07:49.029 --> 00:07:53.910 had clearly this was still new. She had you could tell she had just 112 00:07:54.069 --> 00:07:57.069 found this out. She's still overwhelmed, she doesn't know what to do and 113 00:07:57.269 --> 00:08:03.180 here God uses an actual sign to point her to help. Yeah, and 114 00:08:03.339 --> 00:08:07.019 God uses signs, he does. Yeah, I would say as far as 115 00:08:07.139 --> 00:08:13.209 tools are concerned, now, different scenarios lend themselves different things. Like, 116 00:08:13.329 --> 00:08:16.250 for example, here on the trobe drive, and we're recording right now in 117 00:08:16.529 --> 00:08:22.009 our studio office. That's just right off of La Trobe drive, a hundred 118 00:08:22.089 --> 00:08:24.689 fifty yards or so away from the busiest abortion clinic in the southeast, right, 119 00:08:24.810 --> 00:08:28.839 and it's tucked back into a business park. Yeah, so most of 120 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.839 the people that make it down to the abortion center here on the troube drive, 121 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:33.799 that make it down in that area of the Business Park, are going 122 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.320 to the abortion center right right. So Our signs, and we do use 123 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.149 signs, are are going to reach those moms. That's who is going to 124 00:08:41.190 --> 00:08:45.110 be seeing it, primarily, of course, the workers that are pulling in 125 00:08:45.269 --> 00:08:48.309 and stuff like. They that are going to be seeing these signs and they're 126 00:08:48.309 --> 00:08:54.470 effective in that way. Yeah, however, on the just half a mile 127 00:08:54.549 --> 00:08:56.059 down the road from here, maybe a little more than that, on windover 128 00:08:56.139 --> 00:09:01.820 road, there's another abortion center and it's right on that main road on windover 129 00:09:01.899 --> 00:09:05.820 road, and there are probably, during rush hour, thousands of cars that 130 00:09:05.940 --> 00:09:09.580 pass by. Yeah, and Sign Ministry there is very important. It's very 131 00:09:09.580 --> 00:09:13.610 difficult to reach the abortion center. You're a hundred fifty feet on the public 132 00:09:13.730 --> 00:09:18.570 sidewalk from the abortion center itself. The abortion center is actually located in a 133 00:09:18.730 --> 00:09:24.009 business complex and there's other doctors offices and things that are there. So it's 134 00:09:24.049 --> 00:09:26.480 hard to even know who you're reaching. So signs they're calling out. You 135 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.799 can call out to the people if you can kind of figure out who, 136 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.679 if you see an older couple walking in, and if you can talk out 137 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.080 over the noise because the traffic. Oh, yes, that it's really hard. 138 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:37.080 Yeah, but you know, if you see an older couple walk in 139 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.870 there, you're not going to call out to them about going in for an 140 00:09:39.870 --> 00:09:45.669 abortion because they're probably going into the orthopedic right guy or right maybe to the 141 00:09:45.750 --> 00:09:48.629 dental office that's in there or whatever. My point is that signs there are 142 00:09:48.830 --> 00:09:54.860 very important. In some scenarios, different abortion clinics, signs are more crucial 143 00:09:54.059 --> 00:09:58.100 than another scenarios. Like I could do actually without signs here at La Troupe. 144 00:09:58.340 --> 00:10:01.299 There are times where we don't use signs. Yeah, and we'll talk 145 00:10:01.299 --> 00:10:05.779 a little bit maybe about how signs can sometimes hurt. What you're doing if 146 00:10:05.860 --> 00:10:09.169 you're not strategic in the way that you signs. And actually there's an article 147 00:10:09.570 --> 00:10:15.289 on our sidewalks for life website, sidebox thumb before life calm, and it's 148 00:10:15.289 --> 00:10:18.769 an article that talks specifically about signs and some of the effective usage of signs 149 00:10:18.809 --> 00:10:20.600 and some of the things look out for and signs. So you got to 150 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.480 check that out. But we're going to touch on some of that. As 151 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.519 matter of fact, we're kind of using that articles a framework for this podcast, 152 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:31.639 right and will link that article in the notes on this podcast. But 153 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:33.919 I say that to say that signs are powerful tool and we need to employ 154 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.870 them effectively. But as we're talking about signs, let's give a let's give 155 00:10:39.870 --> 00:10:43.429 people an understanding what types of signs, because you might have, as you're 156 00:10:43.429 --> 00:10:48.029 listening, some ideas in your mind and maybe they're good ideas, maybe they're 157 00:10:48.029 --> 00:10:50.659 not, and so we're going to give you just some practical tips of what 158 00:10:50.779 --> 00:10:52.980 would be good to put on a sign, yeah, but would not be 159 00:10:52.179 --> 00:10:54.820 good to good to put on a sign. But what are the types of 160 00:10:54.860 --> 00:10:58.620 signs that we're talking about? Before we get into the types of signs, 161 00:10:58.659 --> 00:11:01.259 something that I thought about as you were describing what's happening at when over and 162 00:11:01.299 --> 00:11:05.929 with that busy that busy road. Yeah, and one of, I think, 163 00:11:05.970 --> 00:11:09.809 the big purposes, if we can still just kind of focus on the 164 00:11:09.889 --> 00:11:13.490 purposes. That were those three talking points, but also, I think, 165 00:11:13.730 --> 00:11:20.159 very effectively at whend over we often have a victim image sign being displayed and 166 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:26.840 you're showing in one picture the horror Ye have abortion. So you're exposing an 167 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:31.039 evil. That and that, I think, is a major purpose of absolutely 168 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.509 times to expose the evil. And we also put a usually a a mom 169 00:11:35.590 --> 00:11:41.070 and baby, showing a baby saved, yeah, from abortion, and so 170 00:11:41.269 --> 00:11:46.549 you're also showing the stark contrast, the difference between the two choices of the 171 00:11:46.669 --> 00:11:50.139 evil of abortion and and the choice for life. So I wanted to add 172 00:11:50.179 --> 00:11:52.220 that in there and that'll, you know, segue nicely into the different types 173 00:11:52.259 --> 00:11:56.220 of science. And of course that's that's a biblical concept. It is Ephesians 174 00:11:56.220 --> 00:12:00.659 chapter five tells us have no fellowship with the hum fruit for works of darkness, 175 00:12:00.700 --> 00:12:05.090 a rather expose them. So we're supposed to expose darkness. We do 176 00:12:05.409 --> 00:12:07.889 like to, when we show a victim image, though, have a contrast 177 00:12:09.049 --> 00:12:11.169 we might. We like to have a balance there, because I do think 178 00:12:11.250 --> 00:12:16.159 that they're we need have some concern. Yeah, if we're just throwing victim 179 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.559 images out there, and there's some, I think, and I'm not the 180 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.480 judge of people that use these, but I'm just saying from my perspective, 181 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.200 there are some really overthe top graphic images that are not helpful, where we're 182 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.789 just kind of gratuitously showing the violence of abortion, and I think it can 183 00:12:31.909 --> 00:12:35.149 serve to maybe innoculate people to the evil of abortion if we just throw that 184 00:12:35.190 --> 00:12:41.149 out there constantly. Right, but I do think if we use victim images, 185 00:12:41.190 --> 00:12:43.190 I won't say tasteful, because none of them are tasteful, but victim 186 00:12:43.230 --> 00:12:48.580 images that are designed and the implication is to show the evil of abortion, 187 00:12:48.980 --> 00:12:52.980 not in some overthetop way but in a way that's appropriate, and then contrast 188 00:12:52.059 --> 00:12:56.700 that with the baby is save. Then you get that contrast between life and 189 00:12:56.779 --> 00:13:00.929 death, light and darkness, and that is a biblical balance and we see 190 00:13:00.929 --> 00:13:05.450 that all through the scripture as God's contrast good from evil, light from darkness, 191 00:13:05.570 --> 00:13:07.649 life from death. Yeah, exactly, and that's that is the spiritual 192 00:13:07.769 --> 00:13:11.879 battle at every woman driving into that abortion center is going through. Yeah, 193 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:18.480 the choice between good or evil, death or life, abortion or birth, 194 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:24.039 and and and so I think to to be able to show that in a 195 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.149 second, in a split second. You have such limited time and that's why 196 00:13:28.269 --> 00:13:33.309 signs are so important. Yeah, you have your words are very important. 197 00:13:33.669 --> 00:13:37.149 There's no doubt. We are commanded to use our words, no doubt, 198 00:13:37.190 --> 00:13:41.460 absolutely, but you literally have sometimes second. Yeah, absolutely, these women 199 00:13:41.539 --> 00:13:48.100 and a sign is speaks volumes. Yeah, and an immediate visual is yeah, 200 00:13:48.100 --> 00:13:50.379 absolutely, Mitch. So let's talk real quick then, about the types 201 00:13:50.460 --> 00:13:54.299 of signage that we use. I've been doing this ministry, this type of 202 00:13:54.340 --> 00:13:58.809 ministry, for about fifteen years and I've learned a lot. Yeah, I 203 00:13:58.889 --> 00:14:01.370 don't say that to say that I'm great and I'm faithful by God's grace, 204 00:14:01.529 --> 00:14:05.210 but it would be faithful. There's something right, sperience, those count for 205 00:14:05.289 --> 00:14:09.049 something. So I've seen over the years and just thinking through, praying through, 206 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.159 I've seen some effective usage of signs. Yeah, and I've seen some 207 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.559 pretty ineffective us of signs. So the types of signs we're talking about is 208 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:22.679 images. Right, pictures are powerful, but they say pictures worth a thousand 209 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.750 words, right, and that's true. So what we use here on the 210 00:14:26.830 --> 00:14:33.470 trobe drive often times is pictures of MOMS holding babies. And another shameless plug 211 00:14:33.549 --> 00:14:37.470 in for our website, sidewalks for life calm is. There's a whole section 212 00:14:39.059 --> 00:14:41.659 that's called a printable downloads, I think it is. Yeah, and you 213 00:14:41.779 --> 00:14:45.980 can go on and you can actually we have the files for three by four, 214 00:14:46.179 --> 00:14:48.299 so three foot by four foot, so four foot high, three foot 215 00:14:48.379 --> 00:14:52.129 wide, signs that you can take those files to your local print shop print 216 00:14:52.129 --> 00:14:56.210 them out, and their pictures of MOM's holding babies, right, and they 217 00:14:56.289 --> 00:15:00.649 say things like we're praying for you and your baby. Your baby is a 218 00:15:00.690 --> 00:15:03.610 gift from God. So again we're talking about God, what God says. 219 00:15:03.649 --> 00:15:05.210 Your baby is a gift from him. Your baby's not a Birden, your 220 00:15:05.210 --> 00:15:09.879 baby's not a curse, but a gift from him. Stop for resources. 221 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.039 So pictures, I think, are primarily and, by the way, most 222 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:16.879 powerful thing. These are all free, right there. Are are all free 223 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.950 and they're all of actual moms who have actual and those are actual babies. 224 00:15:20.990 --> 00:15:24.429 Who has her mom chose life here in child yes, so the very they 225 00:15:24.470 --> 00:15:28.870 have a lot of meaning and they can be a great tool if you do 226 00:15:28.149 --> 00:15:31.389 get engaged in a conversation with a mom to say look, here is an 227 00:15:31.429 --> 00:15:35.700 actual mom who chose life and her child, and look at does she look 228 00:15:35.779 --> 00:15:39.179 happy? Yeah, I'll do. They're beautiful. I mean signs in one 229 00:15:39.259 --> 00:15:43.620 sense can empower people. Yeah, they can empower we have one sign that 230 00:15:43.659 --> 00:15:48.740 we use here locally that says it's a mom that chose life here on the 231 00:15:48.820 --> 00:15:52.730 trape drive actually holding her baby, and it says I chose life, so 232 00:15:52.970 --> 00:15:56.250 can you. Yeah. So it's empowering US saying, Hey, I did 233 00:15:56.330 --> 00:15:58.769 this, I was in the struggle that you were in. A short message 234 00:15:58.809 --> 00:16:03.049 conveys a lot of truth and just a few words. Yeah, and it's 235 00:16:03.049 --> 00:16:07.519 empowering that young lady to say, Hey, I chose life, not because 236 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.480 I'm better than you and it's that's I don't think that's the implication at all, 237 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:12.080 but I chose life, so can you. If I did it, 238 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.240 so can you. And I think the implication is I'm not better than you, 239 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.789 I'm just a regular person who is scared and struggling, but I chose 240 00:16:18.909 --> 00:16:23.429 life and you can too. I think you touched on a really important point. 241 00:16:23.669 --> 00:16:27.389 In all of our signage, some are pictures, but some are words. 242 00:16:27.590 --> 00:16:32.590 Yeah, but not a lot of works right. Yet they need to 243 00:16:32.629 --> 00:16:37.299 be short to the point. Yeah, phrases. Yeah, if you try, 244 00:16:37.379 --> 00:16:38.740 and I've had folks come out as while I said, I've seen some 245 00:16:40.019 --> 00:16:44.179 some effective signage and some ineffective signs. I've had people come out with like 246 00:16:44.259 --> 00:16:48.330 a whole verse of scripture, maybe even like a whole chapter, and I 247 00:16:48.409 --> 00:16:52.889 think scriptures good. Bring out scripture, yeah, on a sign but I 248 00:16:52.009 --> 00:16:56.129 do think that you need to limit that scripture to a few words. I 249 00:16:56.210 --> 00:17:00.450 mean I'm talking like three, four, maybe five words. Right, if 250 00:17:00.490 --> 00:17:04.079 you get into whole sentences and that I chose life, so can you, 251 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.279 that's that's a lot of words and I do think that message is effective. 252 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:12.200 But the way that it's laid out there needs to be things that stick out, 253 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:17.670 like life, like the word life and in the word you. These 254 00:17:17.750 --> 00:17:22.109 things can stick out. The words help and hope. Really short phrases, 255 00:17:22.190 --> 00:17:25.990 really short words. I mean we have one sign that we use free resources. 256 00:17:26.589 --> 00:17:30.660 Stop for help or just stop for resources. Really quick to the point. 257 00:17:30.660 --> 00:17:34.579 It's got to be enough where they can get what's being conveyed in just 258 00:17:34.700 --> 00:17:38.059 a glimpse, right, because there's zooming by. Quite often there's Zim and 259 00:17:38.099 --> 00:17:44.410 by their zooming by they're they're afraid they're coming to a scenario. And if 260 00:17:44.450 --> 00:17:47.930 you've ever been to an abortion center yourself to minister, you know it's a 261 00:17:48.009 --> 00:17:52.609 battle zone anyway, the spiritual warfare. But even with pro abortion opposition there 262 00:17:52.650 --> 00:17:55.650 can be a lot of confusion. Here on the trobe drive we've got a 263 00:17:55.890 --> 00:18:00.200 a lot of pro abortion advocates that are out here with clinic parking signs and 264 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.839 they know this dynamic right. They don't say clinic parking is over here, 265 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.599 turned this way, right, it's just clinic parking with an Arrow right, 266 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.160 because we understand just practically. It's got to be short, it's got to 267 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:12.509 be to the point that anyway. The point is there's a there can be 268 00:18:12.509 --> 00:18:15.029 a lot of confusion. So we need to get right to the point. 269 00:18:15.029 --> 00:18:19.069 If you're trying to convey a message and you lay out a whole chapter of 270 00:18:19.109 --> 00:18:25.349 scripture, a whole verse of Scripture, oftentimes that message is not going to 271 00:18:25.390 --> 00:18:27.619 be seen right, as good as your intentions are. It's got to be 272 00:18:27.700 --> 00:18:32.299 short, it's got to be to the point and also, practically it's got 273 00:18:32.579 --> 00:18:34.819 the letters have to be big enough for someone who's driving by to see. 274 00:18:34.859 --> 00:18:40.980 Yeah, yeah, so so we have the the actual images pictures that are, 275 00:18:41.140 --> 00:18:45.569 you know, of MOMS or whatever, a picture of a baby or 276 00:18:45.769 --> 00:18:49.210 a picture of an aborted child. We have words and the words usually have 277 00:18:49.369 --> 00:18:53.809 something to do with either resources or help. Right, help or hope. 278 00:18:55.170 --> 00:19:00.839 Those are kind of the two main either either resources, you either again the 279 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.039 humanity of the baby or what God says, or that kind of interwoven into 280 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:10.109 the whole message. That's there some effective signs I've seen to and we do 281 00:19:10.269 --> 00:19:11.910 have some here. We don't use them very often. I think Elijah does 282 00:19:11.990 --> 00:19:17.269 use them on windover road there, as I just explained earlier, where it's 283 00:19:17.309 --> 00:19:19.710 babies that are in utero. So it's depictions of babies, what a baby 284 00:19:19.789 --> 00:19:23.980 looks like at nine weeks, ten weeks, twelve weeks. Those are effective 285 00:19:25.019 --> 00:19:27.940 signage right, because those convey to a mother, here's what's going on in 286 00:19:29.059 --> 00:19:32.619 your womb right now. Yeah, this baby, your nine hundred and ten, 287 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:36.579 twelve weeks along. Your baby looks like this, and I think those 288 00:19:36.660 --> 00:19:41.809 served. It's very effective and I also think extremely important because there is such 289 00:19:41.809 --> 00:19:45.490 an attempt to lie, yeah to the mother's about what they carry in their 290 00:19:45.609 --> 00:19:49.410 womb and the size and development of those babies, and I think they're often 291 00:19:49.450 --> 00:19:55.359 shocked, yeah, by how develop such a little, young baby is in 292 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:59.759 the womb. So you're you're conveying truth with those pictures of the babies in 293 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:03.720 them. Yeah, absolutely dispelling the lies that the abortion industry says, that 294 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.349 it's just a blob of tissue or clump of sales. And you can do 295 00:20:07.549 --> 00:20:10.910 that with signage. Yeah, and it's an effective way to reach mom's going 296 00:20:10.990 --> 00:20:12.670 into the abortion. So even dispelling the lie, when I when you look 297 00:20:12.670 --> 00:20:15.390 at the picture of the mom and the baby, this was a baby saved 298 00:20:15.430 --> 00:20:19.829 here. Yeah, it is showing that their minds are not made up. 299 00:20:19.869 --> 00:20:22.779 That is a lie. Ye, your minds are not necessarily made up. 300 00:20:22.819 --> 00:20:26.579 Even at that late date. There are many women who are still experiencing conflict 301 00:20:26.619 --> 00:20:32.500 and sometimes that just that reminder that could be me. Yeah, holding that 302 00:20:32.619 --> 00:20:36.809 baby is enough to tip the balance towards you don't choosing life. Absolutely now, 303 00:20:36.849 --> 00:20:41.009 I know I have seen some signage and we at one time did use 304 00:20:41.049 --> 00:20:45.089 signage to this effect close to the mobile unit where we had listed out the 305 00:20:45.210 --> 00:20:48.730 resources that we offer. Yeah, and what are they? Not that sign 306 00:20:48.849 --> 00:20:52.160 was effective? I'm not really sure, but within that signage, so we 307 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.759 had like bullet pointed the resources that we offer. Free Medical Care, free 308 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:02.559 ultrasound, free baby shower. So we had those things listed. Yeah, 309 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:07.750 but above that we had really short phraseology that was we're here to help, 310 00:21:07.069 --> 00:21:10.750 something like that, and then that was designed to grab their attention. So 311 00:21:10.829 --> 00:21:14.509 if you're going to go into an explanation of resources and things like that, 312 00:21:14.990 --> 00:21:18.349 you really got to have wording that's going to catch their attention, give them 313 00:21:18.819 --> 00:21:22.500 reason to pause and then look at the rest of it. Yeah, I 314 00:21:22.579 --> 00:21:25.900 mean there might be for some of you guys that are listening, maybe you 315 00:21:25.980 --> 00:21:30.019 minister at an abortion center and just down the road is a pregnancy center that 316 00:21:30.099 --> 00:21:33.130 you work with, that you send MOMS to. So you might have a 317 00:21:33.250 --> 00:21:37.930 sign that says free ultrasound and then maybe under that you have some wording that 318 00:21:37.329 --> 00:21:42.730 maybe gives directions to the pregnancy center or some of the other resources that are 319 00:21:42.730 --> 00:21:48.039 available. If you're going to use a sign with with more wording, you 320 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:49.559 really got to have some of that wording that's right to the point, that 321 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.440 will catch their attention, that will draw them in to want to find out 322 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:57.000 more. Yeah, the more now, in this day and age, more 323 00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:03.990 is less and less is more. Look at billboards. There they don't really 324 00:22:03.029 --> 00:22:06.309 have a lot of words. If you look at a billboard that has more 325 00:22:06.390 --> 00:22:10.990 than like even one sentence on it, most of that contents not even being 326 00:22:11.549 --> 00:22:15.549 not even being right accessed. Yeah, yeah, and and so we, 327 00:22:15.980 --> 00:22:18.059 I'm sure we've mentioned this before, we had done a little bit of research 328 00:22:18.099 --> 00:22:23.859 about some of the words that are most going to catch an abortion minded woman's 329 00:22:23.859 --> 00:22:27.660 attention, and probably the top one was help. Yeah, hope is pretty 330 00:22:27.859 --> 00:22:32.809 pretty far up. Yeah, lest these empowering words you pulled. I mean 331 00:22:32.849 --> 00:22:34.609 you've got what how many? A hundred, like a hundred fifty, something 332 00:22:34.690 --> 00:22:38.250 like that, women on an email list and and we pulled them. Yeah, 333 00:22:38.450 --> 00:22:41.529 so these are moms that you had met out here at the abortion center 334 00:22:41.609 --> 00:22:45.160 that chose live. Yep, that said, hey, I wouldn't mind if 335 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:47.160 you sent me a scripture verse. And you do that. You say that 336 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:51.160 every morning, every mood, and we take the opportunity from time to time 337 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:53.960 to just pull them and say, Hey, we're thinking about this. Is 338 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:56.559 What we did with our T shirt design a couple of years ago. We're 339 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:00.230 thinking about changing our t shirt design and we gave them a couple options. 340 00:23:00.309 --> 00:23:03.710 I think we had like four or five options right, and we use our 341 00:23:03.789 --> 00:23:08.750 logo. Then we used help for you, then we use hope for you 342 00:23:10.069 --> 00:23:12.380 or something like that picture of baby in the womb. Yeah, and so 343 00:23:12.500 --> 00:23:17.339 we use a couple of different things and the help for you, above and 344 00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:18.779 beyond, was the one that they said this, fie, this would be 345 00:23:18.900 --> 00:23:23.339 most likely to reach me if I was going into the portion center, thinking 346 00:23:23.420 --> 00:23:26.809 back to when I was going in, if you people had this shore on, 347 00:23:26.849 --> 00:23:30.009 it will be most likely to catch my attention. And and but beyond 348 00:23:30.049 --> 00:23:33.529 a shadow of a doubt, when I have the opportunity to speak with the 349 00:23:33.609 --> 00:23:37.329 women, they will come over and talk to me. It's because they will. 350 00:23:37.490 --> 00:23:38.849 They will say what kind of help? What help do you have? 351 00:23:40.049 --> 00:23:44.079 It the word help. They need help. They are there because they want 352 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:47.400 to see what kind of help you can provide, if they're willing to come 353 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:49.759 and talk with you. There are some who aren't at that point. They're 354 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:53.200 not even willing to come and talk, but the ones that are are, 355 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:59.150 I think, oftentimes looking for a way out and that word help to them 356 00:23:59.750 --> 00:24:02.710 is saying there is a way out. Yeah, yeah, now, and 357 00:24:02.910 --> 00:24:07.470 this is in contrast to what I would naturally want to do, because very 358 00:24:07.509 --> 00:24:12.740 much I believe, as our ministry beliefs that God is central if we're going 359 00:24:12.779 --> 00:24:19.859 to change abortion. Yeah, but I'm not sure that verbiage talking about God 360 00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:26.769 is necessarily what is going to most often hook them to come and speak to 361 00:24:26.809 --> 00:24:32.210 you. We always bring it up super fast and and I think one of 362 00:24:32.289 --> 00:24:34.890 our he isn't with us but he's on the sidewalk with us, carries a 363 00:24:36.009 --> 00:24:38.319 sign that shot not murder. Yeah, and actually I think that is an 364 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:42.279 effective sign. It does make people it usually angers them, but it does 365 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:48.400 catch their attention. Yeah, and makes them think about God's word. But 366 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:53.710 in general I find that what they really want to see is a positive image, 367 00:24:53.750 --> 00:24:57.269 a positive image of vision of what could be and the word help. 368 00:24:57.349 --> 00:25:00.549 How will you help? Yeah, yeah, in a sense, of course, 369 00:25:00.710 --> 00:25:07.460 that's it makes sense to us right, right in our human minds, 370 00:25:07.619 --> 00:25:11.900 that the word to help, the words, yeah, things that would would 371 00:25:11.900 --> 00:25:17.059 appeal to their current situation. Yeah, will be most likely to get them 372 00:25:17.099 --> 00:25:19.180 to come over and talk to us. Yeah. I do believe, however, 373 00:25:19.740 --> 00:25:25.410 that using messages, again, short messages that talk about the Lord, 374 00:25:25.490 --> 00:25:30.569 to talk about his love for that baby can can be effective and I do 375 00:25:30.730 --> 00:25:34.569 think it's important if, if you've got the the the boots on the ground 376 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.240 to use signage out there on the sidewalk. Yeah, it's a thing, 377 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:42.079 and I say this in the article that I wrote about signage. It's a 378 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:48.119 really unintimidating thing that people can anyone can do that. Kids can do that, 379 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.349 right. Yeah, families with kids can write. My kids come out 380 00:25:51.390 --> 00:25:56.190 and serve and I have them hold signs. Yeah, I have kids that 381 00:25:56.269 --> 00:26:00.430 are nine years old, my nine year old twins. They hold a sign 382 00:26:00.990 --> 00:26:03.700 we love you and your baby. That's another simple message and say they've held 383 00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:08.940 that sign before. Your baby is a blessing. There's another messages of signage 384 00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:12.180 that can can really reach mom's but yeah, again, anybody can can hold 385 00:26:12.220 --> 00:26:15.420 a sign right. Yeah, yeah, now, there's effective ways to hold 386 00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:21.210 signs and I won't go into that. You guys read the article, but 387 00:26:21.410 --> 00:26:25.769 I'll talk about how you need to smile and make eye contact. One of 388 00:26:25.809 --> 00:26:27.529 the things that we will warn about, though, and one of the reasons 389 00:26:27.609 --> 00:26:32.130 why we don't use signage really at the driveway here, is assigned can be 390 00:26:32.170 --> 00:26:34.799 a barrier between you and someone going into the abortion center. So if you're 391 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:37.799 trying to give out literature, I mean practically speaking, it's not good for 392 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.799 you to have a sign in your hand, right, because it's hard. 393 00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:42.480 I'll get yeah, you got to have a hand free to be able to 394 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:45.400 wave and yeah, and then you of course want to smile and make eye 395 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.029 contact, but also a hand to offer the literature. Right. But signs 396 00:26:49.109 --> 00:26:52.630 can be a little bit of like, a little bit much when you're when 397 00:26:52.630 --> 00:26:56.269 you got a sign that you're looking at and someone's trying to offer you literature, 398 00:26:56.269 --> 00:26:59.349 it could just be too much. So we found that signs can be 399 00:26:59.390 --> 00:27:02.980 a barrier between someone taking literature or coming over and talking, no matter what 400 00:27:03.099 --> 00:27:06.180 that sign might say. Right. So we kind of use the signs away 401 00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:08.579 from the driveway and we don't want to indicate where the driveway is either. 402 00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:11.220 So I don't want to have good put on my sign on each sides of 403 00:27:11.259 --> 00:27:17.210 the driveway. Here, turn here, exactly the robable toronament boards want to 404 00:27:17.250 --> 00:27:21.970 do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so the families 405 00:27:22.049 --> 00:27:27.250 can hold signs and your signs can indicate kind of, I think, who 406 00:27:27.369 --> 00:27:33.880 you are also in terms of the signs that you predominantly use. And I 407 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.920 do think that there is we've talked in past podcast about different types of sidewalk 408 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:44.000 counselors. Yeah, more the evangelistic voice, more the prophetic voice, more 409 00:27:44.750 --> 00:27:48.109 some of them that have a gentler or coach some that are just more hard 410 00:27:48.109 --> 00:27:51.910 hitting into the Gospel. And I think the signs that you choose can kind 411 00:27:51.950 --> 00:27:56.029 of given an idea of who you are, yeah, as a ministry, 412 00:27:56.109 --> 00:28:02.420 and be either comforting and approachable or maybe sometimes just convicting. Yeah, and 413 00:28:02.819 --> 00:28:06.380 which do you want to be? Well, I think you show that sometimes 414 00:28:06.420 --> 00:28:10.700 very clearly by the signs they so choose. Yeah. Yeah, that's one 415 00:28:10.740 --> 00:28:12.490 of the reasons why, when we use the victim images, we use them 416 00:28:12.529 --> 00:28:17.609 away from areas where we would engage with a mother going into the abortion center. 417 00:28:17.650 --> 00:28:19.170 Right. So I don't typically like to use them at the driveway. 418 00:28:19.210 --> 00:28:25.329 Yeah, because they they are really they confront the mine, they confront the 419 00:28:25.410 --> 00:28:29.519 heart they're supposed to. So we will use them on the peripheral as the 420 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.599 MOMS are coming down and as they get closer to where we are stationed at, 421 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.880 we use the more inviting signs. Yeah, baby is a gift from 422 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.509 God. I chose life, so can you. MOMS that have chosen life 423 00:28:41.789 --> 00:28:45.670 holding their babies. So that's just kind of a strategic thing that we do 424 00:28:45.869 --> 00:28:48.190 and we think it's pretty effective and I was thinking about that. We had, 425 00:28:48.430 --> 00:28:51.750 of course, this we always do. Talked about this a bit before 426 00:28:51.750 --> 00:28:56.259 we did this podcast and I was thinking about the strategic use of signs and 427 00:28:56.700 --> 00:29:03.019 thinking about God used signs clearly, and I was thinking about how Jesus used 428 00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:08.859 signs and I was specifically when we're talking about like miracles, sign Cole signs, 429 00:29:08.940 --> 00:29:12.650 not necessarily visual signs, although there certainly are visual signs in the Bible. 430 00:29:12.690 --> 00:29:18.130 But but I was thinking specifically about the story of Elijah after he defeated 431 00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:25.119 the Prophets of Bale and and then he's terrified because Jezebel is threatening him with 432 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:29.720 his life and he just runs and he and he wants to die. Yes, 433 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.880 he's curled up on a mountain saying take me now, Lord, and 434 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.079 and the progression. I don't have the verse right in front of me and 435 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.190 maybe you can remember the exact progression, but the progression of how he was 436 00:29:41.309 --> 00:29:45.710 expecting God to come there at there was a very heavy wind, like almost 437 00:29:45.750 --> 00:29:48.789 a hurricane. Well, God was not in that. God was not in 438 00:29:48.869 --> 00:29:52.500 the storm. God was not in the heavy wind, he was in the 439 00:29:52.619 --> 00:29:59.660 gentle breeze and I was thinking about that progression, which at what point did 440 00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:04.339 Elijah crawl out of his funk and see God and relate to God? And 441 00:30:04.460 --> 00:30:08.890 it was when God was in the gentle breeze, the soft whisper. So 442 00:30:10.410 --> 00:30:14.849 I was thinking of that because I think again the progression of assign the strategic 443 00:30:15.009 --> 00:30:18.250 progression of Science, as a car is moving down the road and maybe you 444 00:30:18.410 --> 00:30:22.359 put some people with a certain type of sign up at the top of the 445 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:27.119 road and then you're progressing them to your message through your signs. Yeah, 446 00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:32.759 and I'm not sure what would be best. We've tried both but, like 447 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.029 you said, sometimes we put the victim image up at the top, that's 448 00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:41.549 like this is the horrific truth of what is at the bottom of that road. 449 00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:48.710 But then we play strategically the messages of hope and help and the MOM's 450 00:30:48.789 --> 00:30:52.140 holding babies that were saved from abortion, so that as they approach us, 451 00:30:52.220 --> 00:30:56.420 they're seeing the softness, and I was thinking it's like God coming to Elijah 452 00:30:56.579 --> 00:31:02.259 finally in the gentle whisper and they're more willing to pull over because it's so 453 00:31:02.380 --> 00:31:07.049 much less threatening. Yeah, absolutely, and so we look at things. 454 00:31:07.089 --> 00:31:11.930 I think we should practically been here in Charlotte. We look at things from 455 00:31:11.970 --> 00:31:17.970 a biblical, right also strategic perspective. Yeah, and we're trying to tweak 456 00:31:18.089 --> 00:31:22.720 things and just be most effective to give those babies a voice without compromising the 457 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.240 truth of the Gospel. Right course. The one thing I will say, 458 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.200 just looking at it from a practical perspective and as you guys are thinking more 459 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.950 about signage and what sign is to use. God has made human beings as 460 00:31:33.069 --> 00:31:37.750 visual creatures, and so all throughout the Bible you'll see God gives the children 461 00:31:37.789 --> 00:31:42.349 visrael signs. Ultimately, God gives the signs to Israel during the time of 462 00:31:42.430 --> 00:31:47.109 Jesus, of course. Yeah, so God knows that we're visual creatures. 463 00:31:47.619 --> 00:31:49.859 You think about I'm skipping a little ahead of the framework that we had. 464 00:31:51.059 --> 00:31:52.980 Yeah, but it brings to the mind to me is Ekiel. This is 465 00:31:53.019 --> 00:31:56.220 the example I give a lot of times. Yeah, and in Ezekiel, 466 00:31:56.220 --> 00:32:01.890 chapter four and verses one through eight, God deals Ezekiel to basically be in. 467 00:32:02.289 --> 00:32:07.529 The picture I get from this is like Ezekiel supposed to lay siege to 468 00:32:07.009 --> 00:32:10.890 Jerusalem. HMM, in like this model. So he's to make out these 469 00:32:12.009 --> 00:32:15.599 models and to lay siege and almost like with maybe if you were to and 470 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:21.440 today's Legos Age. Yeah, take some legos and really give a model for 471 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.400 enact the battle and be enact the battle or re enact it really re enacted. 472 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.680 Right, here's what's going to happen if you don't repent. And so 473 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.349 God gives Isekiel this charge to give this sign, and he's supposed to do 474 00:32:31.509 --> 00:32:36.190 this in the public squares that the people see. And then later on, 475 00:32:36.349 --> 00:32:39.470 as Ekiel, for versus twelve through fifteen, this is where God tells Ezekiel 476 00:32:39.630 --> 00:32:43.750 to cook his food, his food on human poop. Right, to lay 477 00:32:43.829 --> 00:32:45.259 on your side for I don't know how many days. He tells me to 478 00:32:45.259 --> 00:32:50.220 lay on one side. Yeah, that's for Judah and God's judgment on Judah. 479 00:32:50.299 --> 00:32:52.339 And then he's still lay on his other side for Israel and for his 480 00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:55.779 judgment that's going to come on Israel. And during that time he's supposed to 481 00:32:55.980 --> 00:33:00.329 cook his food on Human Poop. Yeah, well, was with the Lord 482 00:33:00.369 --> 00:33:02.089 deal with that, because that's defilement, right, it is. And so 483 00:33:02.250 --> 00:33:05.930 he played with the Lord and said, Lord, I don't wanted to file, 484 00:33:06.089 --> 00:33:07.769 never file myself. And Yeah, and so I don't want to defy 485 00:33:07.890 --> 00:33:10.930 myself, which you at least let me cook it on, think cow Dung. 486 00:33:12.170 --> 00:33:15.039 Yeah, and so the Lord allows him to do that, right, 487 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.440 and so he's summersive. God. The point is that's a sign. God 488 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:24.160 knows that we're visual creatures. God knows that human beings an image says a 489 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.069 lot of pictures, worse, a thousand words. And so that's why he 490 00:33:28.190 --> 00:33:31.589 gives his profits these signs to perform in front of the people. Right, 491 00:33:31.789 --> 00:33:36.309 you're not just like miraculous signs, and we do see those throughout. I 492 00:33:36.390 --> 00:33:39.670 mean the story, like you mentioned, of Elijah, right, this sign 493 00:33:39.789 --> 00:33:44.539 of fire coming down from heaven and consuming the sacrifices happened right in front of 494 00:33:44.779 --> 00:33:46.819 all the children of Israel and all the prophets of bail. That sign, 495 00:33:47.019 --> 00:33:52.019 which was a miraculous sign, ultimately encourage the children of Israel to side with 496 00:33:52.099 --> 00:33:54.660 Elijah and slay the prophets of bail. Now, later on, Elijah runs 497 00:33:54.700 --> 00:33:59.410 and, like you guys described, he has that sign from the Lord. 498 00:33:59.650 --> 00:34:02.009 Yeah, the Lord speaks in the steel, small voice. However, God, 499 00:34:02.089 --> 00:34:06.650 throughout the scripture, HMM, there are signs that God gives. Some 500 00:34:06.730 --> 00:34:08.329 of them are miraculous signs and some of them are just like this. Is 501 00:34:08.369 --> 00:34:13.599 ekil story, this sign of the Prophet. Yeah, also Asaiah. God 502 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.159 gives Isaiah the sign. And who is kind of weird and I don't want 503 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:20.199 to encourage you guys to do this. Of course, that was old testament 504 00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.199 times, right. Yeah, and so he was supposed to walk through Drus 505 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:27.710 on the streets of Jerusalem naked and barefoot. Wow, I don't remember that. 506 00:34:27.869 --> 00:34:30.030 Once I remember that. Yeah, I'll dig for that, that passage 507 00:34:30.590 --> 00:34:35.150 before we wrap this this podcast up. But yeah, so he's supposed to 508 00:34:35.190 --> 00:34:39.699 walk through Jerusalem naked and barefoot. To think the implication is to show the 509 00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:43.980 slavery that the children visa are going to be brought into if they didn't repent. 510 00:34:44.420 --> 00:34:46.539 And so there was a sign. Now I don't think that's an effective 511 00:34:46.579 --> 00:34:50.739 sign to use that an abortion center. Nor do I think a cooking your 512 00:34:50.780 --> 00:34:52.730 food on poop on the sidewalk in front of the abortion center would be an 513 00:34:52.730 --> 00:34:57.690 effective sign. The point is, God knows where visual creatures and God used 514 00:34:57.849 --> 00:35:01.690 signs in the past and God will use signs now. We're assigned. Honestly, 515 00:35:02.010 --> 00:35:07.090 we are assigned. We have heard that how many times when a mom 516 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:12.880 chooses life and we asked her why and she'll say, I prayed for a 517 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:19.000 sign. We are people that that seek signs of what we should do. 518 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:23.309 Some people seek it through very ungodly means, but I would say a good 519 00:35:23.389 --> 00:35:27.909 number, maybe a majority, of the women that show up at the abortion 520 00:35:28.070 --> 00:35:32.389 center are praying for a sign of what God would have them do. And 521 00:35:32.989 --> 00:35:37.300 when they see us, I've had so many people say this, you were 522 00:35:37.780 --> 00:35:43.619 that sign, you were the sign of what God would would have me do. 523 00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:52.449 So signs are are just critical in in what we're doing at there and 524 00:35:52.650 --> 00:35:57.730 they can be us, they can be our clothing, they can be the 525 00:35:57.889 --> 00:36:07.360 the signs that we actually hold. So so don't neglect the power of the 526 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:09.760 use of signs. One of the signs that I was thinking of as I 527 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.400 was thinking of the Biblical Use of signs, was the rainbow, which has 528 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:22.829 been now stolen from us, or attempted to be stolen, by the LGBTQ 529 00:36:23.269 --> 00:36:30.230 movement. But the rainbow was was our sign given to us by God's covenant 530 00:36:30.269 --> 00:36:34.300 side. It was a of an and sign that God would never flood the 531 00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:40.539 world again and and that he was he was our salvation, he was our 532 00:36:40.739 --> 00:36:45.699 hope, and so he puts that rainbow in the sky to give us hope 533 00:36:45.860 --> 00:36:50.849 that he is there. Yeah, yeah, so Isaiah, Chapter Twenty. 534 00:36:51.050 --> 00:36:53.130 Okay, this is the naked Isaiah. Yeah, this is as as AIAH 535 00:36:53.170 --> 00:36:58.610 walking around naked. And it says in the year that Tartan came to Ashdod 536 00:36:59.449 --> 00:37:02.880 when Sargon, the King of Assyria, sent him, and he fought against 537 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.159 Ashdod and took it. And that same time the Lord spoke to Isaiah, 538 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:12.800 the son of AMZ, saying go through the sat remove the sackcloth from your 539 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.110 body and take your sandals off your feet, and he did so, walking 540 00:37:15.190 --> 00:37:20.230 naked and barefoot. Then the Lord said, just as my servant Isaiah has 541 00:37:20.269 --> 00:37:24.869 walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and a wonder against Egypt and 542 00:37:25.030 --> 00:37:29.989 Ethiopia. So it wasn't against Israel, but it was against Egypt and Ethiopia. 543 00:37:30.099 --> 00:37:34.460 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians as priven prisoners and 544 00:37:34.619 --> 00:37:37.980 the Ethiopians as captives, young and old, naked and barefoot with their buttocks 545 00:37:38.019 --> 00:37:44.449 uncovered, to the shame of Egypt. So there's a sign that God used. 546 00:37:45.250 --> 00:37:47.090 Now, I don't recommend that people do that at the abortion center, 547 00:37:47.130 --> 00:37:52.210 but the point is God used Isaiah as a signed while ground, naked and 548 00:37:52.210 --> 00:37:54.650 barefoot for three years. That's a long time. That's a long time to 549 00:37:54.730 --> 00:37:59.800 be a sign in that way. But God uses visuals because God knows where 550 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:04.519 visual creatures to to speak to our hearts. So he knows that the way 551 00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.840 to our hearts is through her ears and through our eyes, right, and 552 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:12.000 so he uses signs. And you guys at the abortion centers can also use 553 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.710 signs. So let's jump into real quick as we wrap this thing up, 554 00:38:16.309 --> 00:38:22.150 and we already kind of have talked about some of the placement of signs and 555 00:38:22.269 --> 00:38:28.460 things like that, but I touched on this, so I won't won't tearry 556 00:38:28.539 --> 00:38:32.780 here long. But, as I said, anybody can use a sign. 557 00:38:34.059 --> 00:38:37.099 Yeah, but if you just look as you're holding a sign, just like 558 00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:42.730 a angry gruff, people are not going to engage with that sign. Yeah. 559 00:38:42.969 --> 00:38:45.250 So a practical thing that I've learned just looking at some of the ways 560 00:38:45.289 --> 00:38:49.250 that the world operates. If you think about it, sweet frog, for 561 00:38:49.329 --> 00:38:52.530 example. Ever been by a sweet frog? Yeah, and there's other places, 562 00:38:52.610 --> 00:38:57.000 yeah, and other cities that they hire someone, they pay someone whatever 563 00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.039 minimum wage. Yeah, maybe ten bucks an hour, I don't know. 564 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.719 Right to hold a sign yeah, to smile, to wave, to make 565 00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:07.559 eye contact, sometimes to twirl and twirl the sound around, flip the sign 566 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:09.989 around. Why? Why do they do that? Because they know that people 567 00:39:10.030 --> 00:39:14.949 are more likely to engage with a message that a human is connected to. 568 00:39:15.110 --> 00:39:17.949 Yeah, yeah, rather than just a message is propped up now strategically. 569 00:39:19.590 --> 00:39:22.550 If you don't have the manpower, and we don't want to a lot of 570 00:39:22.590 --> 00:39:25.699 times I don't want to take some of my really effective sideball counselors and put 571 00:39:25.699 --> 00:39:29.460 them on sign duty. Right, right. So I will put a sign 572 00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:31.139 on the back of my vehicle. I have a way to Bungee court a 573 00:39:31.219 --> 00:39:35.380 sign on the back of my vehicle. There's other ways to do it and 574 00:39:35.500 --> 00:39:38.289 you guys would have to different cities have different ordinances and different laws, and 575 00:39:38.369 --> 00:39:42.610 we actually fault with the city of Charlotte here to get the ability for us 576 00:39:42.610 --> 00:39:45.409 to play signs in the right of way, as long as they're not hindering 577 00:39:45.449 --> 00:39:50.130 traffic or whatever, and so we use like speaker stands to place them on 578 00:39:50.610 --> 00:39:52.440 right and you can. You can do that. But if you can, 579 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:57.320 if you've got the manpower to do it, have a person holding a sign. 580 00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.360 If you can do that, it's a lot more effective. They're smiling, 581 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.039 they're making eye contact. People are more likely to engage with that message, 582 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.630 yeah, than they are with just propit a sign against right whatever. 583 00:40:08.030 --> 00:40:13.710 And if you have a human being holding this sign, you can turn that 584 00:40:13.989 --> 00:40:19.269 sign to a very targeted audience. For example, I know that one of 585 00:40:19.309 --> 00:40:24.699 our councilors does have an abortion victim sign and when the pro abortion crowd is 586 00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:29.739 so loud that they just can't hear us, yeah, she'll hold that sign 587 00:40:29.780 --> 00:40:34.780 up and it's a big sign, so the people walking in can see that, 588 00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.369 yeah, and they see at that last critical moment, that's the image. 589 00:40:37.369 --> 00:40:40.409 Yes, is what you're about to do. I want to point out 590 00:40:40.409 --> 00:40:45.610 another kind of interesting fact about the signs that are in the facility where we 591 00:40:45.730 --> 00:40:52.000 use. Think about this sign that advertises the abortion center. Yeah, it's 592 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.719 tiny, it's the initials. It's not the name, unless they've changed it. 593 00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.119 I believe it's just the initial yes, yeah, it is AP. 594 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.750 It's not even a sign to advertise the abortion center. It's a sign that 595 00:41:05.829 --> 00:41:10.150 says no. Trispassing right now, soliciting very bad no sign. Yeah, 596 00:41:10.269 --> 00:41:16.789 announcing the name of the abortion center. That to me speaks volumes. Yeah, 597 00:41:17.030 --> 00:41:22.579 about what is happening there. Yeah, it is something that is so 598 00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:30.420 shameful that even the abortion center knows that to put up a sign advertising this 599 00:41:30.739 --> 00:41:36.969 as an abortion center would be detrimental. Yeah. Yeah, I've often asked 600 00:41:37.010 --> 00:41:39.010 the question with these pro abortion people that are out there and they have their 601 00:41:39.050 --> 00:41:44.250 clinic parking signs. Yeah, they're holding up just pink silence. Is Clinic 602 00:41:44.329 --> 00:41:47.400 parking with an Arrow. Yeah, and I say what can the clinic like? 603 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:51.679 They make a lot of money. Can't they just get a sign and 604 00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.039 put it out front when that kind of nullify your presence out here right, 605 00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:59.159 maybe take away your purpose? Yeah, and of course they maybe haven't thought 606 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.869 it through like that, but I do wonder. Why don't they just put 607 00:42:01.909 --> 00:42:06.230 a sign up right, if they want people to know where the clinic parking 608 00:42:06.309 --> 00:42:07.989 is? Yeah, they just put a sign up. We see people lot 609 00:42:08.030 --> 00:42:12.110 of time getting lost. Why? Why? And they must know that. 610 00:42:12.230 --> 00:42:15.030 They know people get lust they pull into the wrong parking lot all the time. 611 00:42:15.230 --> 00:42:19.019 Yeah, they know that, and so here's an opportunity for us take 612 00:42:19.019 --> 00:42:21.539 advantage of the fact that they don't have a sign. I think it is 613 00:42:21.619 --> 00:42:25.059 that shame factor that people want to come to the abortion center and be hidden. 614 00:42:25.099 --> 00:42:28.699 They don't want people driving by. No one that it's an abortion center, 615 00:42:28.739 --> 00:42:31.210 right. Fact is a lot of people that drive by, believers that 616 00:42:31.289 --> 00:42:36.969 drive by. We've had people come just going to the pharmacy down the road 617 00:42:37.010 --> 00:42:38.650 from the abortion center, not even though it's an abortion center there, and 618 00:42:38.650 --> 00:42:42.530 they've been driving by there for years. Yeah, and didn't know until they 619 00:42:42.570 --> 00:42:45.239 saw us out there and of course we were assigned to them. Yeah, 620 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:50.159 and we've gotten people to combine and encourage us and even some people. One 621 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.119 lady came in volunteered for a couple of weeks with us because she drove bond, 622 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:57.760 saw us out there and saw some of Our signs. Yeah, couldn't 623 00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.389 see that it was an abortion clinic because they didn't have a sign out there 624 00:43:00.429 --> 00:43:05.429 right advertising their services. But she's all that we were there and the signs 625 00:43:05.469 --> 00:43:08.150 that we were using and started to engage with the abortion patients. Yeah, 626 00:43:08.429 --> 00:43:12.630 some guy last week drove by and gave us a boatload of money for a 627 00:43:12.710 --> 00:43:16.340 donation and because he knew who we were through our signs, through our shirts 628 00:43:16.940 --> 00:43:22.019 and through our words also, and and wanted to contribute to the cause. 629 00:43:22.219 --> 00:43:24.940 Yeah, so absolutely, signs are powerful. Bottom line, they they are 630 00:43:24.940 --> 00:43:30.809 a very powerful their biblical and they they can be used wisely or not, 631 00:43:31.329 --> 00:43:36.690 and we hope that kind of we've been giving tips about wise use of signage. 632 00:43:36.849 --> 00:43:40.329 Absolutely so we hope this podcast was a blessing you guys. Hope that 633 00:43:40.409 --> 00:43:45.000 we answered some of the questions that you guys may have had about signage. 634 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:49.800 I do want to encourage you again to get to that article. And what's 635 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:54.000 the name of the article? Effective signage? Yeah, and so it talks 636 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:58.710 about just the effective use of signage. It talks about some of the points 637 00:43:58.710 --> 00:44:01.750 that we touched on, and so check out that article, share that article 638 00:44:01.789 --> 00:44:07.590 with your friends, go on to the printable resources tab that we have on 639 00:44:07.750 --> 00:44:12.179 the sidewalks for life website and you'll be able to print out some signs. 640 00:44:12.699 --> 00:44:15.099 They're free for you to use. We've have a literature there that you can 641 00:44:15.139 --> 00:44:17.460 print out. It's free for you to use. Some of that stuff will 642 00:44:17.460 --> 00:44:22.260 be updating as we've transitioned into with love life and right so some of that 643 00:44:22.380 --> 00:44:27.289 will be maybe the colors will change or something like that, but we're going 644 00:44:27.329 --> 00:44:30.289 to try to keep that up to date as much as possible. But Hey, 645 00:44:30.409 --> 00:44:34.289 shoot us out some more ideas. We did this podcast because of a 646 00:44:34.650 --> 00:44:37.730 request from someone who shot me an email. Shoot me out an email. 647 00:44:37.730 --> 00:44:39.239 If you guys have other subjects he wants to cover, we'd love to cover 648 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:43.719 those subjects. Were going to encourage you guys as you're out there working on 649 00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:46.119 the sidewalks and offering help and hope. In the name of Jesus, we 650 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.239 want to keep you guys encourage. So if if you need some encouragement, 651 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.989 if you have a question about ministry at the abortion center, if you want 652 00:44:52.989 --> 00:44:57.750 to come on board. Maybe you've got a burden to do ministry on a 653 00:44:57.829 --> 00:45:00.789 sidewalk, on the sidewalk at your abortion center full time. We want to 654 00:45:00.829 --> 00:45:06.510 equip you. We're doing a sidewalk training this week with folks that are coming 655 00:45:06.550 --> 00:45:09.900 in from all over the country. We're calling on our sidewalk missionary boot camp. 656 00:45:09.980 --> 00:45:15.300 Were raising up sidewalk missionaries across the nation and across the world. People 657 00:45:15.340 --> 00:45:17.539 have a burden who want to do this on a regular basis and we're equip 658 00:45:17.659 --> 00:45:22.449 people with some of what we're talking about, but a lot of other stuff 659 00:45:22.570 --> 00:45:25.090 in depth teaching of how to reach abortion minded MOMS, how to get churches 660 00:45:25.130 --> 00:45:28.369 on board with the ministry, how to get them out there praying and that 661 00:45:28.409 --> 00:45:30.530 sort of stuff. So we cover a lot of subjects. So if you 662 00:45:30.530 --> 00:45:34.090 guys want to get trained to do that, we'd love to get you into 663 00:45:34.130 --> 00:45:37.320 that loop and you can actually go to love life dot org slash America to 664 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:43.199 start that, and I'd love to hear from you guys. But whatever questions 665 00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.079 you might have, whatever subjects you want us to cover, however you want 666 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.349 to reach out to us, please reach out to us right now. A 667 00:45:50.469 --> 00:45:54.070 D parks at cities for lifecom. She you can reach her at Vicossi Oregant, 668 00:45:54.150 --> 00:45:58.550 cities for Lifecom, and we look forward to hearing from you guys. 669 00:45:58.590 --> 00:46:09.380 But until next time, God bless give me o love for love, give 670 00:46:09.539 --> 00:46:19.210 me our loft for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. 671 00:46:22.929 --> 00:46:25.329 Nothing's too precious. And some met you