Using Signs to Reach Abortion-minded Women

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.869Lord, I am Your Welcome tothe Gospel Center pro life podcast. This300:00:10.990 --> 00:00:14.830episode we're going to talk about howto use signs effectively to reach abortion minded400:00:14.910 --> 00:00:18.230women at an abortion center. We'regoing to look at this from a biblical500:00:18.309 --> 00:00:29.059and practical perspective. So stay tuned. I felt show passish touch your heart.600:00:35.340 --> 00:00:39.409Welcome to the Gospel Center pro lifepodcast. We, as always,700:00:39.450 --> 00:00:44.850appreciate you guys listening and would appreciateif you guys would share this podcast,800:00:45.009 --> 00:00:49.090this episode, with your friends,with your family, with people you love900:00:49.170 --> 00:00:52.280and people that you don't love somuch. Maybe it'll be a blessing to1000:00:52.359 --> 00:00:58.000them. And I think this episodewe're going to touch on some some pretty1100:00:58.000 --> 00:01:02.200practical stuff. I think we alwaysdo, always touch on practical stuff,1200:01:02.240 --> 00:01:06.230but we kind of get in therealm of theology and some of our podcasts1300:01:06.510 --> 00:01:07.750we're going to get into some ofthat. We're going to dig into some1400:01:07.829 --> 00:01:12.189scripture, but we're going to diginto some some real practical things here as1500:01:12.269 --> 00:01:15.989it pertains to signs. Yeah,and when we talk about signs, we've1600:01:17.030 --> 00:01:23.219seen some miraculous signs, ways thatGod has spoken to women and men at1700:01:23.260 --> 00:01:26.140the abortion center and spoken through us, and praise God for that. But1800:01:26.260 --> 00:01:29.459in this episode we're not really talkingabout that. We're talking about signs,1900:01:29.620 --> 00:01:33.450like literal signs, literal signs likewhat you hold, what you display.2000:01:33.769 --> 00:01:37.370We actually had a guy reach outto us a couple of weeks ago with2100:01:37.849 --> 00:01:41.170why don't you guys do a podcastabout signage, and so I thought,2200:01:41.250 --> 00:01:45.890Hey, we should, we askpeople for suggestions on podcasts and he shot2300:01:45.930 --> 00:01:49.680us out of suggestion. So willwe're certainly cover that subject. Yeah,2400:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.480and it's not as if we haven'tcovered this subject before in some measure.2500:01:53.799 --> 00:01:59.120If you guys remember, a coupleof months ago, maybe three or four2600:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.829months ago, we had the folksfrom CBR, center for bio ethical reform,2700:02:02.989 --> 00:02:07.150that do the gap project right,which is genocide awareness project, where2800:02:07.150 --> 00:02:13.389they go in display victim images babiesthat are victims of abortion. They do2900:02:13.509 --> 00:02:17.860it my mainly on college campuses withsigns show people what abortion is, what3000:02:17.979 --> 00:02:22.139it actually does, to provoke conversation. So you guys can go back and3100:02:22.180 --> 00:02:24.379listen to that. We're not goingto talk about graphic signs so much.3200:02:24.419 --> 00:02:28.419We might mention it a little bit, just some of our philosophy as it3300:02:28.539 --> 00:02:34.370pertains to that, and I recognizethat there are that's a controversial subject right3400:02:34.650 --> 00:02:38.370for people who even do ministry atabortion clinics. It's a controversial subject whether3500:02:38.370 --> 00:02:40.409or not you should use graphic signs. Will give you a little bit and3600:02:40.449 --> 00:02:44.129in that podcast we gave you alittle bit of our philosophy behind that,3700:02:44.919 --> 00:02:46.879but I believe that is a thingwhere it's between you and the Lord and3800:02:47.639 --> 00:02:51.719just do what you feel like theLord is calling you to do in that3900:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.280area. Hey, but we're goingto talk practically about signage. Yeah,4000:02:55.159 --> 00:02:59.469we do our sidewalk trainings. Thisis one of the things that we touch4100:02:59.550 --> 00:03:04.349on the effective usage of signage.We talk about the effective usage of literature.4200:03:04.789 --> 00:03:07.629Maybe we'll do a podcast episode aboutthat. I don't know if it's4300:03:07.870 --> 00:03:13.860enough to really fill up a wholeepisode and I think maybe this episode will4400:03:13.860 --> 00:03:16.219be short. Maybe maybe not.We'll find out as we progress in the4500:03:16.300 --> 00:03:22.500episode. But we touch on allthese different tools that the lord uses and4600:03:22.659 --> 00:03:25.620that we can employ to bring truthto a mother that's coming to an abortion4700:03:25.740 --> 00:03:29.770center. So our voices, ofcourse, or a tool that God has4800:03:29.810 --> 00:03:32.050given us, amplified sound, whichwe do use here in Charlotte. That's4900:03:32.050 --> 00:03:35.930a tool, right. Yeah,speakers, that's a tool. Literature,5000:03:36.009 --> 00:03:39.250that's a tool to get the truthto these MOMS. And and then signage,5100:03:39.409 --> 00:03:43.560that's tool, those other tools tothe mobultrasound unit that you guys have5200:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.080heard US mentioned, that we havehere in Charlotte, ultrasound just in general5300:03:46.120 --> 00:03:51.840as a machine, ultrasound machine andjust the practical visual they're share. That's5400:03:51.879 --> 00:03:54.159a tool. These things are toolsfor us to bring the truth to a5500:03:54.280 --> 00:03:58.310mom's that it's at an abortion clinic. Ultimately the goal is to bring the5600:03:58.389 --> 00:04:02.870Gospel to her. So let's jumpinto that tool called signage. Yeah,5700:04:03.270 --> 00:04:08.789and what is the ports of thepurpose of signs? Yeah, well,5800:04:08.949 --> 00:04:13.419they're they're your planting seeds of truthfrom the beginning. Yeah, thank you5900:04:13.500 --> 00:04:15.300said. And and we have threekind of main areas. We've said this6000:04:15.459 --> 00:04:19.339many, many times, three mainareas of truth. Yeah, that we6100:04:19.420 --> 00:04:24.329kind of focus on. Yeah,it's something we call our are three talking6200:04:24.490 --> 00:04:28.089points, three vital talking points.If you guys have been on the sidewalks6300:04:28.129 --> 00:04:31.089for life. Website we have anarticle about this. They're in our trainings6400:04:31.129 --> 00:04:35.970here locally. And then as we'reraising up sidewalk missionaries under love life throughout6500:04:36.170 --> 00:04:40.560the entire nation and throughout the world. This is what we're teaching. We're6600:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.959teaching these three vital talking points,and this is just things that over the6700:04:44.040 --> 00:04:48.319years we've discovered. Hey, whatwe're saying fits into these categories. Pretty6800:04:48.319 --> 00:04:53.230much everything. Yeah, and thetools that we use, again the literature,6900:04:53.230 --> 00:05:00.629are voices and signage plants. Thesethree kinds of seeds of truth,7000:05:00.709 --> 00:05:03.029right. And so what are they? Well, okay, so humanity of7100:05:03.029 --> 00:05:05.949the baby. Yeah, first ofall. Now, wouldn't include just the7200:05:05.990 --> 00:05:10.060mere fact that you useeing the wordbaby. Yeah, I'm showing pictures of7300:05:10.100 --> 00:05:14.579the babies, talking about and showingpictures of baby development. Yeah, so7400:05:14.740 --> 00:05:17.899that's that's number one. Yeah.The second one is what God says,7500:05:18.379 --> 00:05:24.449both about the baby, about life, about taking innocent life, all of7600:05:24.529 --> 00:05:29.449those kind of things that that theBible mentions. Yeah, about this whole7700:05:29.930 --> 00:05:33.970prolife subject. Yeah. And thenthirdly, resources, and I have an7800:05:34.009 --> 00:05:39.920interesting little recent story about signage ofresource. So, okay, so resources.7900:05:40.040 --> 00:05:43.120No, just so you guys whoare listening kind of understand where we're8000:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.079going with this, is we're talkingabout. These are things, these are8100:05:46.639 --> 00:05:50.470nuggets of truth, these are seedsof truth that can be put on displayed8200:05:50.470 --> 00:05:55.589own signageect to reach a mother,to reach a father going into the abortion8300:05:55.750 --> 00:05:58.230center. So yes, and we'regoing to talk about how you might put8400:05:58.269 --> 00:06:00.990those images to convey you to thesetruths. Yeah, as we talked more8500:06:01.029 --> 00:06:04.259about types of signs, but inthe resources. I was just thinking of8600:06:04.379 --> 00:06:09.819this as you were starting this introduction. Very recently I had a very,8700:06:09.860 --> 00:06:13.939very strong urge, following my workon the sidewalk, my time on the8800:06:13.980 --> 00:06:16.699sidewalk, to go get a chickfil a salad. Oh yeah, man8900:06:16.899 --> 00:06:20.970ti fully as Christian chicken. It'sgood. have it is it's so good9000:06:21.370 --> 00:06:26.129and I passed by right on myway home all the time and it's been9100:06:26.250 --> 00:06:30.529probably a year since I have stoppedfor a chick fil a salad. I9200:06:30.730 --> 00:06:32.560love them, but you know they'rea little bit pricey. I shouldn't,9300:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.639I've got salad at home, butthe urge was overwhelming. So it was9400:06:36.720 --> 00:06:40.839the Holy Spirit. Clearly, tellthe holy spirits. There was the holy9500:06:40.879 --> 00:06:44.199spirits a stop at chick FIL Aand, by the way, I saw9600:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.750the signs of chickfilater directing me,which which encouraged me even more so to9700:06:47.870 --> 00:06:51.629pull in. So I pull inlong line, but I'm waiting in line.9800:06:51.629 --> 00:06:56.029I give the young lady my orderand then I'm still waiting in line9900:06:56.029 --> 00:06:59.750quite a while and she knocked onmy window. Okay, after I'd give10000:06:59.870 --> 00:07:02.060my order, I'm thinking, whatdid I forget, and she said I10100:07:02.620 --> 00:07:08.980see in the back of your caryou have a sign free ultra sound.10200:07:09.579 --> 00:07:13.420We can help you. And thenshe looks very serious and a little bit10300:07:13.540 --> 00:07:19.250scared and said I'm pregnant. Ijust found out that I'm pregnant and and10400:07:19.490 --> 00:07:23.329just was kind of you could tellshe just didn't know what to do.10500:07:24.410 --> 00:07:27.970We see this all the time Sun. So it was my sign, just10600:07:28.129 --> 00:07:31.040stuffed in with my stuff in theback of the car she saw and then10700:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.839I instantly gave her a pamphlet withmy name and number on it and told10800:07:34.879 --> 00:07:39.800her please call me. We canhelp you, and then went on and10900:07:39.920 --> 00:07:45.709enjoyed a very delicious, Holy Spiritfilled South Amen. So your sign myself11000:07:45.870 --> 00:07:48.870was a sign. My sign wasa sign for for her. Obviously she11100:07:49.029 --> 00:07:53.910had clearly this was still new.She had you could tell she had just11200:07:54.069 --> 00:07:57.069found this out. She's still overwhelmed, she doesn't know what to do and11300:07:57.269 --> 00:08:03.180here God uses an actual sign topoint her to help. Yeah, and11400:08:03.339 --> 00:08:07.019God uses signs, he does.Yeah, I would say as far as11500:08:07.139 --> 00:08:13.209tools are concerned, now, differentscenarios lend themselves different things. Like,11600:08:13.329 --> 00:08:16.250for example, here on the trobedrive, and we're recording right now in11700:08:16.529 --> 00:08:22.009our studio office. That's just rightoff of La Trobe drive, a hundred11800:08:22.089 --> 00:08:24.689fifty yards or so away from thebusiest abortion clinic in the southeast, right,11900:08:24.810 --> 00:08:28.839and it's tucked back into a businesspark. Yeah, so most of12000:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.839the people that make it down tothe abortion center here on the troube drive,12100:08:31.920 --> 00:08:33.799that make it down in that areaof the Business Park, are going12200:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.320to the abortion center right right.So Our signs, and we do use12300:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.149signs, are are going to reachthose moms. That's who is going to12400:08:41.190 --> 00:08:45.110be seeing it, primarily, ofcourse, the workers that are pulling in12500:08:45.269 --> 00:08:48.309and stuff like. They that aregoing to be seeing these signs and they're12600:08:48.309 --> 00:08:54.470effective in that way. Yeah,however, on the just half a mile12700:08:54.549 --> 00:08:56.059down the road from here, maybea little more than that, on windover12800:08:56.139 --> 00:09:01.820road, there's another abortion center andit's right on that main road on windover12900:09:01.899 --> 00:09:05.820road, and there are probably,during rush hour, thousands of cars that13000:09:05.940 --> 00:09:09.580pass by. Yeah, and SignMinistry there is very important. It's very13100:09:09.580 --> 00:09:13.610difficult to reach the abortion center.You're a hundred fifty feet on the public13200:09:13.730 --> 00:09:18.570sidewalk from the abortion center itself.The abortion center is actually located in a13300:09:18.730 --> 00:09:24.009business complex and there's other doctors officesand things that are there. So it's13400:09:24.049 --> 00:09:26.480hard to even know who you're reaching. So signs they're calling out. You13500:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.799can call out to the people ifyou can kind of figure out who,13600:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.679if you see an older couple walkingin, and if you can talk out13700:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.080over the noise because the traffic.Oh, yes, that it's really hard.13800:09:35.159 --> 00:09:37.080Yeah, but you know, ifyou see an older couple walk in13900:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.870there, you're not going to callout to them about going in for an14000:09:39.870 --> 00:09:45.669abortion because they're probably going into theorthopedic right guy or right maybe to the14100:09:45.750 --> 00:09:48.629dental office that's in there or whatever. My point is that signs there are14200:09:48.830 --> 00:09:54.860very important. In some scenarios,different abortion clinics, signs are more crucial14300:09:54.059 --> 00:09:58.100than another scenarios. Like I coulddo actually without signs here at La Troupe.14400:09:58.340 --> 00:10:01.299There are times where we don't usesigns. Yeah, and we'll talk14500:10:01.299 --> 00:10:05.779a little bit maybe about how signscan sometimes hurt. What you're doing if14600:10:05.860 --> 00:10:09.169you're not strategic in the way thatyou signs. And actually there's an article14700:10:09.570 --> 00:10:15.289on our sidewalks for life website,sidebox thumb before life calm, and it's14800:10:15.289 --> 00:10:18.769an article that talks specifically about signsand some of the effective usage of signs14900:10:18.809 --> 00:10:20.600and some of the things look outfor and signs. So you got to15000:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.480check that out. But we're goingto touch on some of that. As15100:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.519matter of fact, we're kind ofusing that articles a framework for this podcast,15200:10:26.720 --> 00:10:31.639right and will link that article inthe notes on this podcast. But15300:10:31.720 --> 00:10:33.919I say that to say that signsare powerful tool and we need to employ15400:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.870them effectively. But as we're talkingabout signs, let's give a let's give15500:10:39.870 --> 00:10:43.429people an understanding what types of signs, because you might have, as you're15600:10:43.429 --> 00:10:48.029listening, some ideas in your mindand maybe they're good ideas, maybe they're15700:10:48.029 --> 00:10:50.659not, and so we're going togive you just some practical tips of what15800:10:50.779 --> 00:10:52.980would be good to put on asign, yeah, but would not be15900:10:52.179 --> 00:10:54.820good to good to put on asign. But what are the types of16000:10:54.860 --> 00:10:58.620signs that we're talking about? Beforewe get into the types of signs,16100:10:58.659 --> 00:11:01.259something that I thought about as youwere describing what's happening at when over and16200:11:01.299 --> 00:11:05.929with that busy that busy road.Yeah, and one of, I think,16300:11:05.970 --> 00:11:09.809the big purposes, if we canstill just kind of focus on the16400:11:09.889 --> 00:11:13.490purposes. That were those three talkingpoints, but also, I think,16500:11:13.730 --> 00:11:20.159very effectively at whend over we oftenhave a victim image sign being displayed and16600:11:20.960 --> 00:11:26.840you're showing in one picture the horrorYe have abortion. So you're exposing an16700:11:26.919 --> 00:11:31.039evil. That and that, Ithink, is a major purpose of absolutely16800:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.509times to expose the evil. Andwe also put a usually a a mom16900:11:35.590 --> 00:11:41.070and baby, showing a baby saved, yeah, from abortion, and so17000:11:41.269 --> 00:11:46.549you're also showing the stark contrast,the difference between the two choices of the17100:11:46.669 --> 00:11:50.139evil of abortion and and the choicefor life. So I wanted to add17200:11:50.179 --> 00:11:52.220that in there and that'll, youknow, segue nicely into the different types17300:11:52.259 --> 00:11:56.220of science. And of course that'sthat's a biblical concept. It is Ephesians17400:11:56.220 --> 00:12:00.659chapter five tells us have no fellowshipwith the hum fruit for works of darkness,17500:12:00.700 --> 00:12:05.090a rather expose them. So we'resupposed to expose darkness. We do17600:12:05.409 --> 00:12:07.889like to, when we show avictim image, though, have a contrast17700:12:09.049 --> 00:12:11.169we might. We like to havea balance there, because I do think17800:12:11.250 --> 00:12:16.159that they're we need have some concern. Yeah, if we're just throwing victim17900:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.559images out there, and there's some, I think, and I'm not the18000:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.480judge of people that use these,but I'm just saying from my perspective,18100:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.200there are some really overthe top graphicimages that are not helpful, where we're18200:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.789just kind of gratuitously showing the violenceof abortion, and I think it can18300:12:31.909 --> 00:12:35.149serve to maybe innoculate people to theevil of abortion if we just throw that18400:12:35.190 --> 00:12:41.149out there constantly. Right, butI do think if we use victim images,18500:12:41.190 --> 00:12:43.190I won't say tasteful, because noneof them are tasteful, but victim18600:12:43.230 --> 00:12:48.580images that are designed and the implicationis to show the evil of abortion,18700:12:48.980 --> 00:12:52.980not in some overthetop way but ina way that's appropriate, and then contrast18800:12:52.059 --> 00:12:56.700that with the baby is save.Then you get that contrast between life and18900:12:56.779 --> 00:13:00.929death, light and darkness, andthat is a biblical balance and we see19000:13:00.929 --> 00:13:05.450that all through the scripture as God'scontrast good from evil, light from darkness,19100:13:05.570 --> 00:13:07.649life from death. Yeah, exactly, and that's that is the spiritual19200:13:07.769 --> 00:13:11.879battle at every woman driving into thatabortion center is going through. Yeah,19300:13:13.039 --> 00:13:18.480the choice between good or evil,death or life, abortion or birth,19400:13:18.679 --> 00:13:24.039and and and so I think toto be able to show that in a19500:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.149second, in a split second.You have such limited time and that's why19600:13:28.269 --> 00:13:33.309signs are so important. Yeah,you have your words are very important.19700:13:33.669 --> 00:13:37.149There's no doubt. We are commandedto use our words, no doubt,19800:13:37.190 --> 00:13:41.460absolutely, but you literally have sometimessecond. Yeah, absolutely, these women19900:13:41.539 --> 00:13:48.100and a sign is speaks volumes.Yeah, and an immediate visual is yeah,20000:13:48.100 --> 00:13:50.379absolutely, Mitch. So let's talkreal quick then, about the types20100:13:50.460 --> 00:13:54.299of signage that we use. I'vebeen doing this ministry, this type of20200:13:54.340 --> 00:13:58.809ministry, for about fifteen years andI've learned a lot. Yeah, I20300:13:58.889 --> 00:14:01.370don't say that to say that I'mgreat and I'm faithful by God's grace,20400:14:01.529 --> 00:14:05.210but it would be faithful. There'ssomething right, sperience, those count for20500:14:05.289 --> 00:14:09.049something. So I've seen over theyears and just thinking through, praying through,20600:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.159I've seen some effective usage of signs. Yeah, and I've seen some20700:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.559pretty ineffective us of signs. Sothe types of signs we're talking about is20800:14:18.240 --> 00:14:22.679images. Right, pictures are powerful, but they say pictures worth a thousand20900:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.750words, right, and that's true. So what we use here on the21000:14:26.830 --> 00:14:33.470trobe drive often times is pictures ofMOMS holding babies. And another shameless plug21100:14:33.549 --> 00:14:37.470in for our website, sidewalks forlife calm is. There's a whole section21200:14:39.059 --> 00:14:41.659that's called a printable downloads, Ithink it is. Yeah, and you21300:14:41.779 --> 00:14:45.980can go on and you can actuallywe have the files for three by four,21400:14:46.179 --> 00:14:48.299so three foot by four foot,so four foot high, three foot21500:14:48.379 --> 00:14:52.129wide, signs that you can takethose files to your local print shop print21600:14:52.129 --> 00:14:56.210them out, and their pictures ofMOM's holding babies, right, and they21700:14:56.289 --> 00:15:00.649say things like we're praying for youand your baby. Your baby is a21800:15:00.690 --> 00:15:03.610gift from God. So again we'retalking about God, what God says.21900:15:03.649 --> 00:15:05.210Your baby is a gift from him. Your baby's not a Birden, your22000:15:05.210 --> 00:15:09.879baby's not a curse, but agift from him. Stop for resources.22100:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.039So pictures, I think, areprimarily and, by the way, most22200:15:15.039 --> 00:15:16.879powerful thing. These are all free, right there. Are are all free22300:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.950and they're all of actual moms whohave actual and those are actual babies.22400:15:20.990 --> 00:15:24.429Who has her mom chose life herein child yes, so the very they22500:15:24.470 --> 00:15:28.870have a lot of meaning and theycan be a great tool if you do22600:15:28.149 --> 00:15:31.389get engaged in a conversation with amom to say look, here is an22700:15:31.429 --> 00:15:35.700actual mom who chose life and herchild, and look at does she look22800:15:35.779 --> 00:15:39.179happy? Yeah, I'll do.They're beautiful. I mean signs in one22900:15:39.259 --> 00:15:43.620sense can empower people. Yeah,they can empower we have one sign that23000:15:43.659 --> 00:15:48.740we use here locally that says it'sa mom that chose life here on the23100:15:48.820 --> 00:15:52.730trape drive actually holding her baby,and it says I chose life, so23200:15:52.970 --> 00:15:56.250can you. Yeah. So it'sempowering US saying, Hey, I did23300:15:56.330 --> 00:15:58.769this, I was in the strugglethat you were in. A short message23400:15:58.809 --> 00:16:03.049conveys a lot of truth and justa few words. Yeah, and it's23500:16:03.049 --> 00:16:07.519empowering that young lady to say,Hey, I chose life, not because23600:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.480I'm better than you and it's that'sI don't think that's the implication at all,23700:16:11.000 --> 00:16:12.080but I chose life, so canyou. If I did it,23800:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.240so can you. And I thinkthe implication is I'm not better than you,23900:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.789I'm just a regular person who isscared and struggling, but I chose24000:16:18.909 --> 00:16:23.429life and you can too. Ithink you touched on a really important point.24100:16:23.669 --> 00:16:27.389In all of our signage, someare pictures, but some are words.24200:16:27.590 --> 00:16:32.590Yeah, but not a lot ofworks right. Yet they need to24300:16:32.629 --> 00:16:37.299be short to the point. Yeah, phrases. Yeah, if you try,24400:16:37.379 --> 00:16:38.740and I've had folks come out aswhile I said, I've seen some24500:16:40.019 --> 00:16:44.179some effective signage and some ineffective signs. I've had people come out with like24600:16:44.259 --> 00:16:48.330a whole verse of scripture, maybeeven like a whole chapter, and I24700:16:48.409 --> 00:16:52.889think scriptures good. Bring out scripture, yeah, on a sign but I24800:16:52.009 --> 00:16:56.129do think that you need to limitthat scripture to a few words. I24900:16:56.210 --> 00:17:00.450mean I'm talking like three, four, maybe five words. Right, if25000:17:00.490 --> 00:17:04.079you get into whole sentences and thatI chose life, so can you,25100:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.279that's that's a lot of words andI do think that message is effective.25200:17:10.279 --> 00:17:12.200But the way that it's laid outthere needs to be things that stick out,25300:17:12.440 --> 00:17:17.670like life, like the word lifeand in the word you. These25400:17:17.750 --> 00:17:22.109things can stick out. The wordshelp and hope. Really short phrases,25500:17:22.190 --> 00:17:25.990really short words. I mean wehave one sign that we use free resources.25600:17:26.589 --> 00:17:30.660Stop for help or just stop forresources. Really quick to the point.25700:17:30.660 --> 00:17:34.579It's got to be enough where theycan get what's being conveyed in just25800:17:34.700 --> 00:17:38.059a glimpse, right, because there'szooming by. Quite often there's Zim and25900:17:38.099 --> 00:17:44.410by their zooming by they're they're afraidthey're coming to a scenario. And if26000:17:44.450 --> 00:17:47.930you've ever been to an abortion centeryourself to minister, you know it's a26100:17:48.009 --> 00:17:52.609battle zone anyway, the spiritual warfare. But even with pro abortion opposition there26200:17:52.650 --> 00:17:55.650can be a lot of confusion.Here on the trobe drive we've got a26300:17:55.890 --> 00:18:00.200a lot of pro abortion advocates thatare out here with clinic parking signs and26400:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.839they know this dynamic right. Theydon't say clinic parking is over here,26500:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.599turned this way, right, it'sjust clinic parking with an Arrow right,26600:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.160because we understand just practically. It'sgot to be short, it's got to26700:18:11.240 --> 00:18:12.509be to the point that anyway.The point is there's a there can be26800:18:12.509 --> 00:18:15.029a lot of confusion. So weneed to get right to the point.26900:18:15.029 --> 00:18:19.069If you're trying to convey a messageand you lay out a whole chapter of27000:18:19.109 --> 00:18:25.349scripture, a whole verse of Scripture, oftentimes that message is not going to27100:18:25.390 --> 00:18:27.619be seen right, as good asyour intentions are. It's got to be27200:18:27.700 --> 00:18:32.299short, it's got to be tothe point and also, practically it's got27300:18:32.579 --> 00:18:34.819the letters have to be big enoughfor someone who's driving by to see.27400:18:34.859 --> 00:18:40.980Yeah, yeah, so so wehave the the actual images pictures that are,27500:18:41.140 --> 00:18:45.569you know, of MOMS or whatever, a picture of a baby or27600:18:45.769 --> 00:18:49.210a picture of an aborted child.We have words and the words usually have27700:18:49.369 --> 00:18:53.809something to do with either resources orhelp. Right, help or hope.27800:18:55.170 --> 00:19:00.839Those are kind of the two maineither either resources, you either again the27900:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.039humanity of the baby or what Godsays, or that kind of interwoven into28000:19:04.319 --> 00:19:10.109the whole message. That's there someeffective signs I've seen to and we do28100:19:10.269 --> 00:19:11.910have some here. We don't usethem very often. I think Elijah does28200:19:11.990 --> 00:19:17.269use them on windover road there,as I just explained earlier, where it's28300:19:17.309 --> 00:19:19.710babies that are in utero. Soit's depictions of babies, what a baby28400:19:19.789 --> 00:19:23.980looks like at nine weeks, tenweeks, twelve weeks. Those are effective28500:19:25.019 --> 00:19:27.940signage right, because those convey toa mother, here's what's going on in28600:19:29.059 --> 00:19:32.619your womb right now. Yeah,this baby, your nine hundred and ten,28700:19:33.180 --> 00:19:36.579twelve weeks along. Your baby lookslike this, and I think those28800:19:36.660 --> 00:19:41.809served. It's very effective and Ialso think extremely important because there is such28900:19:41.809 --> 00:19:45.490an attempt to lie, yeah tothe mother's about what they carry in their29000:19:45.609 --> 00:19:49.410womb and the size and development ofthose babies, and I think they're often29100:19:49.450 --> 00:19:55.359shocked, yeah, by how developsuch a little, young baby is in29200:19:55.480 --> 00:19:59.759the womb. So you're you're conveyingtruth with those pictures of the babies in29300:19:59.839 --> 00:20:03.720them. Yeah, absolutely dispelling thelies that the abortion industry says, that29400:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.349it's just a blob of tissue orclump of sales. And you can do29500:20:07.549 --> 00:20:10.910that with signage. Yeah, andit's an effective way to reach mom's going29600:20:10.990 --> 00:20:12.670into the abortion. So even dispellingthe lie, when I when you look29700:20:12.670 --> 00:20:15.390at the picture of the mom andthe baby, this was a baby saved29800:20:15.430 --> 00:20:19.829here. Yeah, it is showingthat their minds are not made up.29900:20:19.869 --> 00:20:22.779That is a lie. Ye,your minds are not necessarily made up.30000:20:22.819 --> 00:20:26.579Even at that late date. Thereare many women who are still experiencing conflict30100:20:26.619 --> 00:20:32.500and sometimes that just that reminder thatcould be me. Yeah, holding that30200:20:32.619 --> 00:20:36.809baby is enough to tip the balancetowards you don't choosing life. Absolutely now,30300:20:36.849 --> 00:20:41.009I know I have seen some signageand we at one time did use30400:20:41.049 --> 00:20:45.089signage to this effect close to themobile unit where we had listed out the30500:20:45.210 --> 00:20:48.730resources that we offer. Yeah,and what are they? Not that sign30600:20:48.849 --> 00:20:52.160was effective? I'm not really sure, but within that signage, so we30700:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.759had like bullet pointed the resources thatwe offer. Free Medical Care, free30800:20:56.759 --> 00:21:02.559ultrasound, free baby shower. Sowe had those things listed. Yeah,30900:21:02.720 --> 00:21:07.750but above that we had really shortphraseology that was we're here to help,31000:21:07.069 --> 00:21:10.750something like that, and then thatwas designed to grab their attention. So31100:21:10.829 --> 00:21:14.509if you're going to go into anexplanation of resources and things like that,31200:21:14.990 --> 00:21:18.349you really got to have wording that'sgoing to catch their attention, give them31300:21:18.819 --> 00:21:22.500reason to pause and then look atthe rest of it. Yeah, I31400:21:22.579 --> 00:21:25.900mean there might be for some ofyou guys that are listening, maybe you31500:21:25.980 --> 00:21:30.019minister at an abortion center and justdown the road is a pregnancy center that31600:21:30.099 --> 00:21:33.130you work with, that you sendMOMS to. So you might have a31700:21:33.250 --> 00:21:37.930sign that says free ultrasound and thenmaybe under that you have some wording that31800:21:37.329 --> 00:21:42.730maybe gives directions to the pregnancy centeror some of the other resources that are31900:21:42.730 --> 00:21:48.039available. If you're going to usea sign with with more wording, you32000:21:48.200 --> 00:21:49.559really got to have some of thatwording that's right to the point, that32100:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.440will catch their attention, that willdraw them in to want to find out32200:21:53.480 --> 00:21:57.000more. Yeah, the more now, in this day and age, more32300:21:57.119 --> 00:22:03.990is less and less is more.Look at billboards. There they don't really32400:22:03.029 --> 00:22:06.309have a lot of words. Ifyou look at a billboard that has more32500:22:06.390 --> 00:22:10.990than like even one sentence on it, most of that contents not even being32600:22:11.549 --> 00:22:15.549not even being right accessed. Yeah, yeah, and and so we,32700:22:15.980 --> 00:22:18.059I'm sure we've mentioned this before,we had done a little bit of research32800:22:18.099 --> 00:22:23.859about some of the words that aremost going to catch an abortion minded woman's32900:22:23.859 --> 00:22:27.660attention, and probably the top onewas help. Yeah, hope is pretty33000:22:27.859 --> 00:22:32.809pretty far up. Yeah, lestthese empowering words you pulled. I mean33100:22:32.849 --> 00:22:34.609you've got what how many? Ahundred, like a hundred fifty, something33200:22:34.690 --> 00:22:38.250like that, women on an emaillist and and we pulled them. Yeah,33300:22:38.450 --> 00:22:41.529so these are moms that you hadmet out here at the abortion center33400:22:41.609 --> 00:22:45.160that chose live. Yep, thatsaid, hey, I wouldn't mind if33500:22:45.200 --> 00:22:47.160you sent me a scripture verse.And you do that. You say that33600:22:47.599 --> 00:22:51.160every morning, every mood, andwe take the opportunity from time to time33700:22:51.920 --> 00:22:53.960to just pull them and say,Hey, we're thinking about this. Is33800:22:55.000 --> 00:22:56.559What we did with our T shirtdesign a couple of years ago. We're33900:22:56.559 --> 00:23:00.230thinking about changing our t shirt designand we gave them a couple options.34000:23:00.309 --> 00:23:03.710I think we had like four orfive options right, and we use our34100:23:03.789 --> 00:23:08.750logo. Then we used help foryou, then we use hope for you34200:23:10.069 --> 00:23:12.380or something like that picture of babyin the womb. Yeah, and so34300:23:12.500 --> 00:23:17.339we use a couple of different thingsand the help for you, above and34400:23:17.460 --> 00:23:18.779beyond, was the one that theysaid this, fie, this would be34500:23:18.900 --> 00:23:23.339most likely to reach me if Iwas going into the portion center, thinking34600:23:23.420 --> 00:23:26.809back to when I was going in, if you people had this shore on,34700:23:26.849 --> 00:23:30.009it will be most likely to catchmy attention. And and but beyond34800:23:30.049 --> 00:23:33.529a shadow of a doubt, whenI have the opportunity to speak with the34900:23:33.609 --> 00:23:37.329women, they will come over andtalk to me. It's because they will.35000:23:37.490 --> 00:23:38.849They will say what kind of help? What help do you have?35100:23:40.049 --> 00:23:44.079It the word help. They needhelp. They are there because they want35200:23:44.119 --> 00:23:47.400to see what kind of help youcan provide, if they're willing to come35300:23:47.480 --> 00:23:49.759and talk with you. There aresome who aren't at that point. They're35400:23:49.759 --> 00:23:53.200not even willing to come and talk, but the ones that are are,35500:23:53.559 --> 00:23:59.150I think, oftentimes looking for away out and that word help to them35600:23:59.750 --> 00:24:02.710is saying there is a way out. Yeah, yeah, now, and35700:24:02.910 --> 00:24:07.470this is in contrast to what Iwould naturally want to do, because very35800:24:07.509 --> 00:24:12.740much I believe, as our ministrybeliefs that God is central if we're going35900:24:12.779 --> 00:24:19.859to change abortion. Yeah, butI'm not sure that verbiage talking about God36000:24:21.420 --> 00:24:26.769is necessarily what is going to mostoften hook them to come and speak to36100:24:26.809 --> 00:24:32.210you. We always bring it upsuper fast and and I think one of36200:24:32.289 --> 00:24:34.890our he isn't with us but he'son the sidewalk with us, carries a36300:24:36.009 --> 00:24:38.319sign that shot not murder. Yeah, and actually I think that is an36400:24:38.359 --> 00:24:42.279effective sign. It does make peopleit usually angers them, but it does36500:24:42.720 --> 00:24:48.400catch their attention. Yeah, andmakes them think about God's word. But36600:24:48.720 --> 00:24:53.710in general I find that what theyreally want to see is a positive image,36700:24:53.750 --> 00:24:57.269a positive image of vision of whatcould be and the word help.36800:24:57.349 --> 00:25:00.549How will you help? Yeah,yeah, in a sense, of course,36900:25:00.710 --> 00:25:07.460that's it makes sense to us right, right in our human minds,37000:25:07.619 --> 00:25:11.900that the word to help, thewords, yeah, things that would would37100:25:11.900 --> 00:25:17.059appeal to their current situation. Yeah, will be most likely to get them37200:25:17.099 --> 00:25:19.180to come over and talk to us. Yeah. I do believe, however,37300:25:19.740 --> 00:25:25.410that using messages, again, shortmessages that talk about the Lord,37400:25:25.490 --> 00:25:30.569to talk about his love for thatbaby can can be effective and I do37500:25:30.730 --> 00:25:34.569think it's important if, if you'vegot the the the boots on the ground37600:25:36.240 --> 00:25:38.240to use signage out there on thesidewalk. Yeah, it's a thing,37700:25:38.400 --> 00:25:42.079and I say this in the articlethat I wrote about signage. It's a37800:25:42.160 --> 00:25:48.119really unintimidating thing that people can anyonecan do that. Kids can do that,37900:25:48.240 --> 00:25:51.349right. Yeah, families with kidscan write. My kids come out38000:25:51.390 --> 00:25:56.190and serve and I have them holdsigns. Yeah, I have kids that38100:25:56.269 --> 00:26:00.430are nine years old, my nineyear old twins. They hold a sign38200:26:00.990 --> 00:26:03.700we love you and your baby.That's another simple message and say they've held38300:26:03.779 --> 00:26:08.940that sign before. Your baby isa blessing. There's another messages of signage38400:26:08.940 --> 00:26:12.180that can can really reach mom's butyeah, again, anybody can can hold38500:26:12.220 --> 00:26:15.420a sign right. Yeah, yeah, now, there's effective ways to hold38600:26:15.420 --> 00:26:21.210signs and I won't go into that. You guys read the article, but38700:26:21.410 --> 00:26:25.769I'll talk about how you need tosmile and make eye contact. One of38800:26:25.809 --> 00:26:27.529the things that we will warn about, though, and one of the reasons38900:26:27.609 --> 00:26:32.130why we don't use signage really atthe driveway here, is assigned can be39000:26:32.170 --> 00:26:34.799a barrier between you and someone goinginto the abortion center. So if you're39100:26:34.839 --> 00:26:37.799trying to give out literature, Imean practically speaking, it's not good for39200:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.799you to have a sign in yourhand, right, because it's hard.39300:26:40.839 --> 00:26:42.480I'll get yeah, you got tohave a hand free to be able to39400:26:42.839 --> 00:26:45.400wave and yeah, and then youof course want to smile and make eye39500:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.029contact, but also a hand tooffer the literature. Right. But signs39600:26:49.109 --> 00:26:52.630can be a little bit of like, a little bit much when you're when39700:26:52.630 --> 00:26:56.269you got a sign that you're lookingat and someone's trying to offer you literature,39800:26:56.269 --> 00:26:59.349it could just be too much.So we found that signs can be39900:26:59.390 --> 00:27:02.980a barrier between someone taking literature orcoming over and talking, no matter what40000:27:03.099 --> 00:27:06.180that sign might say. Right.So we kind of use the signs away40100:27:06.180 --> 00:27:08.579from the driveway and we don't wantto indicate where the driveway is either.40200:27:08.579 --> 00:27:11.220So I don't want to have goodput on my sign on each sides of40300:27:11.259 --> 00:27:17.210the driveway. Here, turn here, exactly the robable toronament boards want to40400:27:17.250 --> 00:27:21.970do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so the families40500:27:22.049 --> 00:27:27.250can hold signs and your signs canindicate kind of, I think, who40600:27:27.369 --> 00:27:33.880you are also in terms of thesigns that you predominantly use. And I40700:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.920do think that there is we've talkedin past podcast about different types of sidewalk40800:27:37.960 --> 00:27:44.000counselors. Yeah, more the evangelisticvoice, more the prophetic voice, more40900:27:44.750 --> 00:27:48.109some of them that have a gentleror coach some that are just more hard41000:27:48.109 --> 00:27:51.910hitting into the Gospel. And Ithink the signs that you choose can kind41100:27:51.950 --> 00:27:56.029of given an idea of who youare, yeah, as a ministry,41200:27:56.109 --> 00:28:02.420and be either comforting and approachable ormaybe sometimes just convicting. Yeah, and41300:28:02.819 --> 00:28:06.380which do you want to be?Well, I think you show that sometimes41400:28:06.420 --> 00:28:10.700very clearly by the signs they sochoose. Yeah. Yeah, that's one41500:28:10.740 --> 00:28:12.490of the reasons why, when weuse the victim images, we use them41600:28:12.529 --> 00:28:17.609away from areas where we would engagewith a mother going into the abortion center.41700:28:17.650 --> 00:28:19.170Right. So I don't typically liketo use them at the driveway.41800:28:19.210 --> 00:28:25.329Yeah, because they they are reallythey confront the mine, they confront the41900:28:25.410 --> 00:28:29.519heart they're supposed to. So wewill use them on the peripheral as the42000:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.599MOMS are coming down and as theyget closer to where we are stationed at,42100:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.880we use the more inviting signs.Yeah, baby is a gift from42200:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.509God. I chose life, socan you. MOMS that have chosen life42300:28:41.789 --> 00:28:45.670holding their babies. So that's justkind of a strategic thing that we do42400:28:45.869 --> 00:28:48.190and we think it's pretty effective andI was thinking about that. We had,42500:28:48.430 --> 00:28:51.750of course, this we always do. Talked about this a bit before42600:28:51.750 --> 00:28:56.259we did this podcast and I wasthinking about the strategic use of signs and42700:28:56.700 --> 00:29:03.019thinking about God used signs clearly,and I was thinking about how Jesus used42800:29:03.420 --> 00:29:08.859signs and I was specifically when we'retalking about like miracles, sign Cole signs,42900:29:08.940 --> 00:29:12.650not necessarily visual signs, although therecertainly are visual signs in the Bible.43000:29:12.690 --> 00:29:18.130But but I was thinking specifically aboutthe story of Elijah after he defeated43100:29:18.170 --> 00:29:25.119the Prophets of Bale and and thenhe's terrified because Jezebel is threatening him with43200:29:25.319 --> 00:29:29.720his life and he just runs andhe and he wants to die. Yes,43300:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.880he's curled up on a mountain sayingtake me now, Lord, and43400:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.079and the progression. I don't havethe verse right in front of me and43500:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.190maybe you can remember the exact progression, but the progression of how he was43600:29:41.309 --> 00:29:45.710expecting God to come there at therewas a very heavy wind, like almost43700:29:45.750 --> 00:29:48.789a hurricane. Well, God wasnot in that. God was not in43800:29:48.869 --> 00:29:52.500the storm. God was not inthe heavy wind, he was in the43900:29:52.619 --> 00:29:59.660gentle breeze and I was thinking aboutthat progression, which at what point did44000:29:59.700 --> 00:30:04.339Elijah crawl out of his funk andsee God and relate to God? And44100:30:04.460 --> 00:30:08.890it was when God was in thegentle breeze, the soft whisper. So44200:30:10.410 --> 00:30:14.849I was thinking of that because Ithink again the progression of assign the strategic44300:30:15.009 --> 00:30:18.250progression of Science, as a caris moving down the road and maybe you44400:30:18.410 --> 00:30:22.359put some people with a certain typeof sign up at the top of the44500:30:22.440 --> 00:30:27.119road and then you're progressing them toyour message through your signs. Yeah,44600:30:27.319 --> 00:30:32.759and I'm not sure what would bebest. We've tried both but, like44700:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.029you said, sometimes we put thevictim image up at the top, that's44800:30:37.069 --> 00:30:41.549like this is the horrific truth ofwhat is at the bottom of that road.44900:30:42.029 --> 00:30:48.710But then we play strategically the messagesof hope and help and the MOM's45000:30:48.789 --> 00:30:52.140holding babies that were saved from abortion, so that as they approach us,45100:30:52.220 --> 00:30:56.420they're seeing the softness, and Iwas thinking it's like God coming to Elijah45200:30:56.579 --> 00:31:02.259finally in the gentle whisper and they'remore willing to pull over because it's so45300:31:02.380 --> 00:31:07.049much less threatening. Yeah, absolutely, and so we look at things.45400:31:07.089 --> 00:31:11.930I think we should practically been herein Charlotte. We look at things from45500:31:11.970 --> 00:31:17.970a biblical, right also strategic perspective. Yeah, and we're trying to tweak45600:31:18.089 --> 00:31:22.720things and just be most effective togive those babies a voice without compromising the45700:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.240truth of the Gospel. Right course. The one thing I will say,45800:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.200just looking at it from a practicalperspective and as you guys are thinking more45900:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.950about signage and what sign is touse. God has made human beings as46000:31:33.069 --> 00:31:37.750visual creatures, and so all throughoutthe Bible you'll see God gives the children46100:31:37.789 --> 00:31:42.349visrael signs. Ultimately, God givesthe signs to Israel during the time of46200:31:42.430 --> 00:31:47.109Jesus, of course. Yeah,so God knows that we're visual creatures.46300:31:47.619 --> 00:31:49.859You think about I'm skipping a littleahead of the framework that we had.46400:31:51.059 --> 00:31:52.980Yeah, but it brings to themind to me is Ekiel. This is46500:31:53.019 --> 00:31:56.220the example I give a lot oftimes. Yeah, and in Ezekiel,46600:31:56.220 --> 00:32:01.890chapter four and verses one through eight, God deals Ezekiel to basically be in.46700:32:02.289 --> 00:32:07.529The picture I get from this islike Ezekiel supposed to lay siege to46800:32:07.009 --> 00:32:10.890Jerusalem. HMM, in like thismodel. So he's to make out these46900:32:12.009 --> 00:32:15.599models and to lay siege and almostlike with maybe if you were to and47000:32:15.960 --> 00:32:21.440today's Legos Age. Yeah, takesome legos and really give a model for47100:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.400enact the battle and be enact thebattle or re enact it really re enacted.47200:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.680Right, here's what's going to happenif you don't repent. And so47300:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.349God gives Isekiel this charge to givethis sign, and he's supposed to do47400:32:31.509 --> 00:32:36.190this in the public squares that thepeople see. And then later on,47500:32:36.349 --> 00:32:39.470as Ekiel, for versus twelve throughfifteen, this is where God tells Ezekiel47600:32:39.630 --> 00:32:43.750to cook his food, his foodon human poop. Right, to lay47700:32:43.829 --> 00:32:45.259on your side for I don't knowhow many days. He tells me to47800:32:45.259 --> 00:32:50.220lay on one side. Yeah,that's for Judah and God's judgment on Judah.47900:32:50.299 --> 00:32:52.339And then he's still lay on hisother side for Israel and for his48000:32:52.500 --> 00:32:55.779judgment that's going to come on Israel. And during that time he's supposed to48100:32:55.980 --> 00:33:00.329cook his food on Human Poop.Yeah, well, was with the Lord48200:33:00.369 --> 00:33:02.089deal with that, because that's defilement, right, it is. And so48300:33:02.250 --> 00:33:05.930he played with the Lord and said, Lord, I don't wanted to file,48400:33:06.089 --> 00:33:07.769never file myself. And Yeah,and so I don't want to defy48500:33:07.890 --> 00:33:10.930myself, which you at least letme cook it on, think cow Dung.48600:33:12.170 --> 00:33:15.039Yeah, and so the Lord allowshim to do that, right,48700:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.440and so he's summersive. God.The point is that's a sign. God48800:33:19.519 --> 00:33:24.160knows that we're visual creatures. Godknows that human beings an image says a48900:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.069lot of pictures, worse, athousand words. And so that's why he49000:33:28.190 --> 00:33:31.589gives his profits these signs to performin front of the people. Right,49100:33:31.789 --> 00:33:36.309you're not just like miraculous signs,and we do see those throughout. I49200:33:36.390 --> 00:33:39.670mean the story, like you mentioned, of Elijah, right, this sign49300:33:39.789 --> 00:33:44.539of fire coming down from heaven andconsuming the sacrifices happened right in front of49400:33:44.779 --> 00:33:46.819all the children of Israel and allthe prophets of bail. That sign,49500:33:47.019 --> 00:33:52.019which was a miraculous sign, ultimatelyencourage the children of Israel to side with49600:33:52.099 --> 00:33:54.660Elijah and slay the prophets of bail. Now, later on, Elijah runs49700:33:54.700 --> 00:33:59.410and, like you guys described,he has that sign from the Lord.49800:33:59.650 --> 00:34:02.009Yeah, the Lord speaks in thesteel, small voice. However, God,49900:34:02.089 --> 00:34:06.650throughout the scripture, HMM, thereare signs that God gives. Some50000:34:06.730 --> 00:34:08.329of them are miraculous signs and someof them are just like this. Is50100:34:08.369 --> 00:34:13.599ekil story, this sign of theProphet. Yeah, also Asaiah. God50200:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.159gives Isaiah the sign. And whois kind of weird and I don't want50300:34:16.159 --> 00:34:20.199to encourage you guys to do this. Of course, that was old testament50400:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.199times, right. Yeah, andso he was supposed to walk through Drus50500:34:22.280 --> 00:34:27.710on the streets of Jerusalem naked andbarefoot. Wow, I don't remember that.50600:34:27.869 --> 00:34:30.030Once I remember that. Yeah,I'll dig for that, that passage50700:34:30.590 --> 00:34:35.150before we wrap this this podcast up. But yeah, so he's supposed to50800:34:35.190 --> 00:34:39.699walk through Jerusalem naked and barefoot.To think the implication is to show the50900:34:39.820 --> 00:34:43.980slavery that the children visa are goingto be brought into if they didn't repent.51000:34:44.420 --> 00:34:46.539And so there was a sign.Now I don't think that's an effective51100:34:46.579 --> 00:34:50.739sign to use that an abortion center. Nor do I think a cooking your51200:34:50.780 --> 00:34:52.730food on poop on the sidewalk infront of the abortion center would be an51300:34:52.730 --> 00:34:57.690effective sign. The point is,God knows where visual creatures and God used51400:34:57.849 --> 00:35:01.690signs in the past and God willuse signs now. We're assigned. Honestly,51500:35:02.010 --> 00:35:07.090we are assigned. We have heardthat how many times when a mom51600:35:07.039 --> 00:35:12.880chooses life and we asked her whyand she'll say, I prayed for a51700:35:13.199 --> 00:35:19.000sign. We are people that thatseek signs of what we should do.51800:35:19.440 --> 00:35:23.309Some people seek it through very ungodlymeans, but I would say a good51900:35:23.389 --> 00:35:27.909number, maybe a majority, ofthe women that show up at the abortion52000:35:28.070 --> 00:35:32.389center are praying for a sign ofwhat God would have them do. And52100:35:32.989 --> 00:35:37.300when they see us, I've hadso many people say this, you were52200:35:37.780 --> 00:35:43.619that sign, you were the signof what God would would have me do.52300:35:44.820 --> 00:35:52.449So signs are are just critical inin what we're doing at there and52400:35:52.650 --> 00:35:57.730they can be us, they canbe our clothing, they can be the52500:35:57.889 --> 00:36:07.360the signs that we actually hold.So so don't neglect the power of the52600:36:07.400 --> 00:36:09.760use of signs. One of thesigns that I was thinking of as I52700:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.400was thinking of the Biblical Use ofsigns, was the rainbow, which has52800:36:15.480 --> 00:36:22.829been now stolen from us, orattempted to be stolen, by the LGBTQ52900:36:23.269 --> 00:36:30.230movement. But the rainbow was wasour sign given to us by God's covenant53000:36:30.269 --> 00:36:34.300side. It was a of anand sign that God would never flood the53100:36:34.980 --> 00:36:40.539world again and and that he washe was our salvation, he was our53200:36:40.739 --> 00:36:45.699hope, and so he puts thatrainbow in the sky to give us hope53300:36:45.860 --> 00:36:50.849that he is there. Yeah,yeah, so Isaiah, Chapter Twenty.53400:36:51.050 --> 00:36:53.130Okay, this is the naked Isaiah. Yeah, this is as as AIAH53500:36:53.170 --> 00:36:58.610walking around naked. And it saysin the year that Tartan came to Ashdod53600:36:59.449 --> 00:37:02.880when Sargon, the King of Assyria, sent him, and he fought against53700:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.159Ashdod and took it. And thatsame time the Lord spoke to Isaiah,53800:37:07.199 --> 00:37:12.800the son of AMZ, saying gothrough the sat remove the sackcloth from your53900:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.110body and take your sandals off yourfeet, and he did so, walking54000:37:15.190 --> 00:37:20.230naked and barefoot. Then the Lordsaid, just as my servant Isaiah has54100:37:20.269 --> 00:37:24.869walked naked and barefoot three years fora sign and a wonder against Egypt and54200:37:25.030 --> 00:37:29.989Ethiopia. So it wasn't against Israel, but it was against Egypt and Ethiopia.54300:37:30.099 --> 00:37:34.460So shall the king of Assyria leadaway the Egyptians as priven prisoners and54400:37:34.619 --> 00:37:37.980the Ethiopians as captives, young andold, naked and barefoot with their buttocks54500:37:38.019 --> 00:37:44.449uncovered, to the shame of Egypt. So there's a sign that God used.54600:37:45.250 --> 00:37:47.090Now, I don't recommend that peopledo that at the abortion center,54700:37:47.130 --> 00:37:52.210but the point is God used Isaiahas a signed while ground, naked and54800:37:52.210 --> 00:37:54.650barefoot for three years. That's along time. That's a long time to54900:37:54.730 --> 00:37:59.800be a sign in that way.But God uses visuals because God knows where55000:37:59.800 --> 00:38:04.519visual creatures to to speak to ourhearts. So he knows that the way55100:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.840to our hearts is through her earsand through our eyes, right, and55200:38:07.079 --> 00:38:12.000so he uses signs. And youguys at the abortion centers can also use55300:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.710signs. So let's jump into realquick as we wrap this thing up,55400:38:16.309 --> 00:38:22.150and we already kind of have talkedabout some of the placement of signs and55500:38:22.269 --> 00:38:28.460things like that, but I touchedon this, so I won't won't tearry55600:38:28.539 --> 00:38:32.780here long. But, as Isaid, anybody can use a sign.55700:38:34.059 --> 00:38:37.099Yeah, but if you just lookas you're holding a sign, just like55800:38:37.179 --> 00:38:42.730a angry gruff, people are notgoing to engage with that sign. Yeah.55900:38:42.969 --> 00:38:45.250So a practical thing that I've learnedjust looking at some of the ways56000:38:45.289 --> 00:38:49.250that the world operates. If youthink about it, sweet frog, for56100:38:49.329 --> 00:38:52.530example. Ever been by a sweetfrog? Yeah, and there's other places,56200:38:52.610 --> 00:38:57.000yeah, and other cities that theyhire someone, they pay someone whatever56300:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.039minimum wage. Yeah, maybe tenbucks an hour, I don't know.56400:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.719Right to hold a sign yeah,to smile, to wave, to make56500:39:04.840 --> 00:39:07.559eye contact, sometimes to twirl andtwirl the sound around, flip the sign56600:39:07.599 --> 00:39:09.989around. Why? Why do theydo that? Because they know that people56700:39:10.030 --> 00:39:14.949are more likely to engage with amessage that a human is connected to.56800:39:15.110 --> 00:39:17.949Yeah, yeah, rather than justa message is propped up now strategically.56900:39:19.590 --> 00:39:22.550If you don't have the manpower,and we don't want to a lot of57000:39:22.590 --> 00:39:25.699times I don't want to take someof my really effective sideball counselors and put57100:39:25.699 --> 00:39:29.460them on sign duty. Right,right. So I will put a sign57200:39:29.460 --> 00:39:31.139on the back of my vehicle.I have a way to Bungee court a57300:39:31.219 --> 00:39:35.380sign on the back of my vehicle. There's other ways to do it and57400:39:35.500 --> 00:39:38.289you guys would have to different citieshave different ordinances and different laws, and57500:39:38.369 --> 00:39:42.610we actually fault with the city ofCharlotte here to get the ability for us57600:39:42.610 --> 00:39:45.409to play signs in the right ofway, as long as they're not hindering57700:39:45.449 --> 00:39:50.130traffic or whatever, and so weuse like speaker stands to place them on57800:39:50.610 --> 00:39:52.440right and you can. You cando that. But if you can,57900:39:52.639 --> 00:39:57.320if you've got the manpower to doit, have a person holding a sign.58000:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.360If you can do that, it'sa lot more effective. They're smiling,58100:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.039they're making eye contact. People aremore likely to engage with that message,58200:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.630yeah, than they are with justpropit a sign against right whatever.58300:40:08.030 --> 00:40:13.710And if you have a human beingholding this sign, you can turn that58400:40:13.989 --> 00:40:19.269sign to a very targeted audience.For example, I know that one of58500:40:19.309 --> 00:40:24.699our councilors does have an abortion victimsign and when the pro abortion crowd is58600:40:24.780 --> 00:40:29.739so loud that they just can't hearus, yeah, she'll hold that sign58700:40:29.780 --> 00:40:34.780up and it's a big sign,so the people walking in can see that,58800:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.369yeah, and they see at thatlast critical moment, that's the image.58900:40:37.369 --> 00:40:40.409Yes, is what you're about todo. I want to point out59000:40:40.409 --> 00:40:45.610another kind of interesting fact about thesigns that are in the facility where we59100:40:45.730 --> 00:40:52.000use. Think about this sign thatadvertises the abortion center. Yeah, it's59200:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.719tiny, it's the initials. It'snot the name, unless they've changed it.59300:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.119I believe it's just the initial yes, yeah, it is AP.59400:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.750It's not even a sign to advertisethe abortion center. It's a sign that59500:41:05.829 --> 00:41:10.150says no. Trispassing right now,soliciting very bad no sign. Yeah,59600:41:10.269 --> 00:41:16.789announcing the name of the abortion center. That to me speaks volumes. Yeah,59700:41:17.030 --> 00:41:22.579about what is happening there. Yeah, it is something that is so59800:41:23.940 --> 00:41:30.420shameful that even the abortion center knowsthat to put up a sign advertising this59900:41:30.739 --> 00:41:36.969as an abortion center would be detrimental. Yeah. Yeah, I've often asked60000:41:37.010 --> 00:41:39.010the question with these pro abortion peoplethat are out there and they have their60100:41:39.050 --> 00:41:44.250clinic parking signs. Yeah, they'reholding up just pink silence. Is Clinic60200:41:44.329 --> 00:41:47.400parking with an Arrow. Yeah,and I say what can the clinic like?60300:41:47.519 --> 00:41:51.679They make a lot of money.Can't they just get a sign and60400:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.039put it out front when that kindof nullify your presence out here right,60500:41:54.480 --> 00:41:59.159maybe take away your purpose? Yeah, and of course they maybe haven't thought60600:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.869it through like that, but Ido wonder. Why don't they just put60700:42:01.909 --> 00:42:06.230a sign up right, if theywant people to know where the clinic parking60800:42:06.309 --> 00:42:07.989is? Yeah, they just puta sign up. We see people lot60900:42:08.030 --> 00:42:12.110of time getting lost. Why?Why? And they must know that.61000:42:12.230 --> 00:42:15.030They know people get lust they pullinto the wrong parking lot all the time.61100:42:15.230 --> 00:42:19.019Yeah, they know that, andso here's an opportunity for us take61200:42:19.019 --> 00:42:21.539advantage of the fact that they don'thave a sign. I think it is61300:42:21.619 --> 00:42:25.059that shame factor that people want tocome to the abortion center and be hidden.61400:42:25.099 --> 00:42:28.699They don't want people driving by.No one that it's an abortion center,61500:42:28.739 --> 00:42:31.210right. Fact is a lot ofpeople that drive by, believers that61600:42:31.289 --> 00:42:36.969drive by. We've had people comejust going to the pharmacy down the road61700:42:37.010 --> 00:42:38.650from the abortion center, not eventhough it's an abortion center there, and61800:42:38.650 --> 00:42:42.530they've been driving by there for years. Yeah, and didn't know until they61900:42:42.570 --> 00:42:45.239saw us out there and of coursewe were assigned to them. Yeah,62000:42:45.239 --> 00:42:50.159and we've gotten people to combine andencourage us and even some people. One62100:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.119lady came in volunteered for a coupleof weeks with us because she drove bond,62200:42:53.119 --> 00:42:57.760saw us out there and saw someof Our signs. Yeah, couldn't62300:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.389see that it was an abortion clinicbecause they didn't have a sign out there62400:43:00.429 --> 00:43:05.429right advertising their services. But she'sall that we were there and the signs62500:43:05.469 --> 00:43:08.150that we were using and started toengage with the abortion patients. Yeah,62600:43:08.429 --> 00:43:12.630some guy last week drove by andgave us a boatload of money for a62700:43:12.710 --> 00:43:16.340donation and because he knew who wewere through our signs, through our shirts62800:43:16.940 --> 00:43:22.019and through our words also, andand wanted to contribute to the cause.62900:43:22.219 --> 00:43:24.940Yeah, so absolutely, signs arepowerful. Bottom line, they they are63000:43:24.940 --> 00:43:30.809a very powerful their biblical and theythey can be used wisely or not,63100:43:31.329 --> 00:43:36.690and we hope that kind of we'vebeen giving tips about wise use of signage.63200:43:36.849 --> 00:43:40.329Absolutely so we hope this podcast wasa blessing you guys. Hope that63300:43:40.409 --> 00:43:45.000we answered some of the questions thatyou guys may have had about signage.63400:43:45.079 --> 00:43:49.800I do want to encourage you againto get to that article. And what's63500:43:49.840 --> 00:43:54.000the name of the article? Effectivesignage? Yeah, and so it talks63600:43:54.039 --> 00:43:58.710about just the effective use of signage. It talks about some of the points63700:43:58.710 --> 00:44:01.750that we touched on, and socheck out that article, share that article63800:44:01.789 --> 00:44:07.590with your friends, go on tothe printable resources tab that we have on63900:44:07.750 --> 00:44:12.179the sidewalks for life website and you'llbe able to print out some signs.64000:44:12.699 --> 00:44:15.099They're free for you to use.We've have a literature there that you can64100:44:15.139 --> 00:44:17.460print out. It's free for youto use. Some of that stuff will64200:44:17.460 --> 00:44:22.260be updating as we've transitioned into withlove life and right so some of that64300:44:22.380 --> 00:44:27.289will be maybe the colors will changeor something like that, but we're going64400:44:27.329 --> 00:44:30.289to try to keep that up todate as much as possible. But Hey,64500:44:30.409 --> 00:44:34.289shoot us out some more ideas.We did this podcast because of a64600:44:34.650 --> 00:44:37.730request from someone who shot me anemail. Shoot me out an email.64700:44:37.730 --> 00:44:39.239If you guys have other subjects hewants to cover, we'd love to cover64800:44:39.320 --> 00:44:43.719those subjects. Were going to encourageyou guys as you're out there working on64900:44:43.760 --> 00:44:46.119the sidewalks and offering help and hope. In the name of Jesus, we65000:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.239want to keep you guys encourage.So if if you need some encouragement,65100:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.989if you have a question about ministryat the abortion center, if you want65200:44:52.989 --> 00:44:57.750to come on board. Maybe you'vegot a burden to do ministry on a65300:44:57.829 --> 00:45:00.789sidewalk, on the sidewalk at yourabortion center full time. We want to65400:45:00.829 --> 00:45:06.510equip you. We're doing a sidewalktraining this week with folks that are coming65500:45:06.550 --> 00:45:09.900in from all over the country.We're calling on our sidewalk missionary boot camp.65600:45:09.980 --> 00:45:15.300Were raising up sidewalk missionaries across thenation and across the world. People65700:45:15.340 --> 00:45:17.539have a burden who want to dothis on a regular basis and we're equip65800:45:17.659 --> 00:45:22.449people with some of what we're talkingabout, but a lot of other stuff65900:45:22.570 --> 00:45:25.090in depth teaching of how to reachabortion minded MOMS, how to get churches66000:45:25.130 --> 00:45:28.369on board with the ministry, howto get them out there praying and that66100:45:28.409 --> 00:45:30.530sort of stuff. So we covera lot of subjects. So if you66200:45:30.530 --> 00:45:34.090guys want to get trained to dothat, we'd love to get you into66300:45:34.130 --> 00:45:37.320that loop and you can actually goto love life dot org slash America to66400:45:37.480 --> 00:45:43.199start that, and I'd love tohear from you guys. But whatever questions66500:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.079you might have, whatever subjects youwant us to cover, however you want66600:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.349to reach out to us, pleasereach out to us right now. A66700:45:50.469 --> 00:45:54.070D parks at cities for lifecom.She you can reach her at Vicossi Oregant,66800:45:54.150 --> 00:45:58.550cities for Lifecom, and we lookforward to hearing from you guys.66900:45:58.590 --> 00:46:09.380But until next time, God blessgive me o love for love, give67000:46:09.539 --> 00:46:19.210me our loft for gratitude. Iknow it will cost me my life.67100:46:22.929 --> 00:46:25.329Nothing's too precious. And some metyou