Understanding the Mindset of Women Who Have Abortions

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.680 But you can also turn that around to help make your case, because I 2 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:09.039 will often first of all sympathize. I think you feel betrayed by this guy 3 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:14.279 who who said he loved you and then is like pain for you to kill 4 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:20.120 your baby. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. 5 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:26.280 And Me, Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome 6 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:31.679 to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage 7 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:35.600 and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the 8 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:46.920 Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart, use 9 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:53.799 me love. Welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. I'm Daniel 10 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:58.840 Park's the West Coast Regional Shepherd for love life. That's my current role, 11 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.879 but really have a heart for the sidewalk ministry, and with me is Vicky 12 00:01:03.959 --> 00:01:08.319 Kessi York, who serves as a love life missionary here in Charlotte, North 13 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:14.159 Carolina. Both of us have been doing sidewalk outreach ministry at local abortion centers 14 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:19.040 combined. How many years? Vicky? Almost twenty, I think. Okay, 15 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:23.239 now more than that. Twenty five. Yeah, you're fifteen, I'm 16 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.519 almost ten years. So we've been out there a while between the two of 17 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.439 us. Yeah, yeah, so we've learned a lot, supposedly we should 18 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.120 have. Yeah, we've made a lot of mistakes right, and we've seen 19 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.760 the Lord very graciously use us to help save babies and bring moms and dad's 20 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:44.159 to the knowledge of Jesus. And so we think that for those that are 21 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:47.359 listening, we can add some value to what you're doing in your outreach ministry 22 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:52.120 at local abortion centers, and so that's what we do with these podcasts. 23 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:56.120 We try to encourage you, we try to challenge you, and so this 24 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.439 episode we're going to seek to do that. So what are we going to 25 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:05.079 talk about in this episode? Well, one of the most important things really 26 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:08.000 that I think we all should be aware of when we're in front of different 27 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:14.719 abortion centers, and that's what is the mindset of the women who are going 28 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:19.120 in, because that's going to affect how and what we call out if we 29 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:24.800 can get in to the mindset of the women. So this actually did come 30 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:31.199 up a little bit recently when someone sent both of us some information about an 31 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:37.759 abortion center that was a late term abortion center and she said how should I 32 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.120 speak to them? Would it be different? And I was just thinking, 33 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:46.879 Hey, we would always still call out the three talk key talking points. 34 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:49.879 But then, Daniel, you brought up, I think, a really important 35 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.439 point. The mindset of a woman in a late term abortion is probably going 36 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:57.759 to be a little bit different. Yeah, maybe a lot different from the 37 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:02.360 mindset of women in a first trimester. Yeah, abortion. And so, 38 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:08.599 knowing that, I think we could increase our effectiveness if we can somehow figure 39 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:14.360 out what's going through their hearts, in their head. Yeah, of course, 40 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.840 with any scenario, and you just kind of brought up a different scenario. 41 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:21.039 But yeah, there's a different mindset and the people you're going to be 42 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:23.639 reaching out to, depending on the area of the country that you're in, 43 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.400 there can be different mindset. Yeah, things like that. There's a lot 44 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:30.520 of stuff to consider. Yeah, and the best we can do to get 45 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:35.560 in the mindset of someone else, especially, you know, I'm a guy, 46 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:38.680 Dylan, mainly with women going into the abortion center. Right, sometimes 47 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:39.919 we reach out to the man, but we're trying to reach the women. 48 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:45.560 Right, it's really hard for me to get in that mindset. But even 49 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.080 if I was able to, the best I could do is just kind of 50 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:52.639 get a general idea of the mindset. Yeah, there's a course and understanding 51 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.960 that everyone is different. Everyone's circumstances, the women that are going in, 52 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.000 the men that are going into the abortion center, their circumstances are different. 53 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:04.879 Everybody's kind of upbringing is different. So there's a lot of mindsets that can 54 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:11.240 be going on simultaneously at the same place, in the same moment. But 55 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.319 we have to do the best we can to get a general idea of the 56 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.439 mindset of the women that were reaching out the abortion senters. Right, and 57 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:25.279 I think that in developing this article we're drawing on our experience. There are 58 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:30.199 maybe five or six main things that we always see. Yeah, and and 59 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:35.720 those were the things that we wanted to focus on, because some people may 60 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:42.199 think that, for example, saying Oh, congratulations, you must be so 61 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:46.120 thrilled your pregnant. Well, that's not getting into the mindset of the mom 62 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.319 and that can be very kind productive. Yeah, so anyway, so that's 63 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:55.240 why we wrote this article and are doing this podcast. Is you think it's 64 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:59.639 valuable to be able to speak to the women with a sense of what they're 65 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:04.000 feeling? Yeah, where they're coming from. Again, we're generalizing of necessity. 66 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:10.519 Would would that touch someone? Congratulations, you know, your pregnant, 67 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:13.759 congratulations your mom going into the abortions. That I could that touch someone? 68 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:16.639 Could that be what and what they need to hear? I could probably not. 69 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:20.439 Gonna yeah, but again, the best that we can do is speak 70 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:27.879 as general and as specific as possible, and I think in this podcast what 71 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.560 we want to encourage you guys to do is to be thinking and praying through 72 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.600 Lord. What is the mindset of the women that I'm encountering at the Abortion 73 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:40.480 Center? Yeah, help help me, Lord, to get into that mindset 74 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:44.279 so that I know the things that I could say, in the moments that 75 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.680 I say them that would really touch that woman's heart. Yeah. Yeah, 76 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:55.000 and I think one of the most predominant emotions that I see and that I 77 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:59.279 hear when I speak to the women who do stop and talk with with me, 78 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.399 is beer. Yeah, they're afraid. Right there. This was completely 79 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:10.360 unplanned in a well, really every case, almost every case, they they're 80 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:15.079 usually in pretty awful circumstances. Right they're looking not at the precious life of 81 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:21.000 that child really at all. That's really not entering their head. What is 82 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:25.800 entering their head is, I can't do this. Look at all the struggles 83 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:29.279 in front of me, what am I going to do? In the case 84 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:34.279 of young kids or teenagers who are pregnant, they're thinking, my mom's going 85 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:38.000 to kill me. Yeah, I'm going to get kicked out of the house 86 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.839 where she's literally going to kill me. Now, hear that a lot. 87 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.160 Yeah, from a teenage or, you know, my friends are think less 88 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.639 of me. Or right, right, whatever the scenario might be, they 89 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:53.079 just can't go to school. My boyfriend's going to leave me. He's not 90 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:57.600 at all ready for a baby. Yeah, there's a lot of fear that 91 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:01.040 surrounds an unplanned pregnancy. Yeah, no doubt about it. Yeah, and 92 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.680 you know, we have to understand that. We have to do the best 93 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.800 we can to get in that mindset, not that we ourselves want to be 94 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:11.560 afraid, although we know that we've dealt with fears before. Yeah, I 95 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:15.839 want to try to get in the mindset of someone in this scenario who's afraid, 96 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.120 who doesn't want to tell their parents, who doesn't want to be found 97 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:24.199 out that they're pregnant. Getting into this mindset. Understanding this mindset does not 98 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.639 justify the thinking. So I just want to make sure that's clear. That's 99 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:32.000 a good point. These mindsets a lot of times are sinful mindsets. Yeah, 100 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:40.240 they're not mindsets that are surrounded by faith and trust in God. And 101 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.879 whether they're sinful or not, they're just not the correct mindsets to have. 102 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.639 US trying to get into those monthsts and understand those mindsets. Does not justify 103 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:51.600 them, right, any mindset that would lead someone to kill another person. 104 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:56.600 Yeah, we should not justify that mindset. Right, it's not a good 105 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.920 mindset, right, but it would help us to understand that mindset so that 106 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:05.000 we can give some answers and we could ask some questions that would help change 107 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:09.560 the mindset. That's ultimately the intention behind looking at these monsets. Want to 108 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:15.000 see those mindsets change. Identify the mindset. I think sometimes if if you 109 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:22.079 can say I know you're afraid, that instantly makes them feel okay, they're 110 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.399 understood because I guarantee they're afraid. There is a level of fear of some 111 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.759 sort in those women, and so identifying it first, I know you're afraid, 112 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:37.279 but God is a God who can help you to overcome fear. And 113 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.759 then maybe, like the example that we use in the article is that I 114 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:43.559 had read somewhere. I don't know if this is true, but that the 115 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:50.320 word the phrase do not fear is in the Bible three hundred sixty five times, 116 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:52.240 which interesting, one for every day of the year. Yeah, but 117 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:56.759 you know, you think of the most famous in air quotes unplanned pregnancy in 118 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.720 the Bible is, of course, Mary with baby. G Says Yeah, 119 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.720 and the angel appears to her and one of the first things he says is 120 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:07.120 do not fear. Yeah, that is a powerful message for us to be 121 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:13.200 mind the women of. God tells us over and over again in the Bible, 122 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:18.080 and he's telling people when they're in very heart circumstances. What does he 123 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.320 say? Do not fear. Yeah. So I think if we can identify 124 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:28.879 you are afraid and God is a God who tells us over and over again 125 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:33.080 don't be afraid because he does have the answer. Yeah, I think that 126 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:39.600 is instantly a really valuable message. Yeah, the women to hear. Yeah, 127 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.600 yeah, no doubt. And this kind of goes back to trying to 128 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.799 understand this mindset of fear and the other mindsets we're going to talk about and 129 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:52.000 try to enter into that mindset right again, not embracing or validating, but 130 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.879 entering in for the sake of being able to reach the women that were reaching 131 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.360 out to speaks to that whole component I'll talk about in some of our trainings 132 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.320 of compassion, right, suffering with them. That's what the word compassion means. 133 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:07.279 The word passion means suffering and the word calm is with and so to 134 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.679 have compassion is to suffer with them. You can, you can more easily 135 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.240 suffer with someone, like enter into their suffering, the pain that they're feeling 136 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.200 in their heart with them, if you can get into that mindset. And 137 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.240 for some of us it's not it's not that hard to do, right. 138 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:28.720 We can remember back when we had unplanned pregnancy, plan pregnancy situation, or 139 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.720 some that have had abortions. Can have compassion. You can enter into the 140 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.879 mindset of a woman that has had an abortion or that is having going to 141 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:37.720 have an abortion, because you've been there, right yeah, so you can 142 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.840 remember back again, you're not validating the way that you were thinking back then, 143 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.039 but you're trying to enter into that mindset and think, okay, in 144 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.440 those days when I was considering abortion, what were some of the things that 145 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.080 someone could have said to me that would change my mindset? Right? So 146 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.159 that's that's what we're talking about, right yeah, and just being able to 147 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:00.279 relate, like you said, that showing that compassions for relating with them. 148 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.279 I remember when I was in an unplanned pregnancy and I saw that pink line. 149 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:09.320 I was terrified. Yeah, and so they're not alone. The feeling 150 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:15.559 is not invalidated. The feeling is there, it's real for them, but 151 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.799 there is a solution. Yeah, and so we're there to counsel them through 152 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:26.440 that feeling and hopefully beyond that. I think fear is particularly and in an 153 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:33.799 important mindset to know about, because fear is often expressed as anger. That's 154 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.679 the second mindset that we're going to talk about, and we do see that 155 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.879 all the time. Oh yeah, most of the women are furious with us. 156 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.600 Yeah, yeah, I want to mention before we moved to anger, 157 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.039 and I think this is probably a good seguey to it, but trying to 158 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:54.559 think in the mindset of fear, what are some of the things going on 159 00:11:54.600 --> 00:12:00.639 in a person's life who is under fear, under what I believe the Bible 160 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.159 would call a spirit of fear, because there's fear, there's being afraid and 161 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:09.639 then there's like this spirit of fear and maybe it's a demonic power, and 162 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.799 I think it probably is. That really is irrational, right, and so 163 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:16.679 we think about phobias and things like that's in a rational fear, but what 164 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.080 I'm talking about is irrational actions. Right. So you can talk to a 165 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.960 woman added abortion center and, and I know you've experienced this, many of 166 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.600 them are staunchly opposed to abortion. Right, except for their situation. Right, 167 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:33.480 right, and when you break down their situation, it's really no worse 168 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:35.919 than either of the other situations, to fairly common situation. Again, not 169 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:41.120 to minimize the situations for sure, but what's going on there? Like, 170 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:45.159 they don't agree with abortion, they believe it's wrong, they've been taught that 171 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.399 it's wrong. They would never have an abortion except for this situation. Well, 172 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.480 what's going on is a spirit of fear. They're under a spirit of 173 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.080 fear. And the Bible says, and you guys know this, this scripture 174 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.080 well, I'm sure, Second Timothy one seven, for God has not given 175 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:03.440 us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind. 176 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.240 And I we did a podcast about this long time ago. We talked 177 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.600 about being under a spirit of fear. But I just want to remind you, 178 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.600 guys. When someone is under a spirit of fear, when they have 179 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:16.840 a mindset of fear and their mind in their life is kind of introuded in 180 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.840 fear. Power, that's like control of the situation, the ability, power 181 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:28.440 to do the right thing morally in the situation. Love, that's love for 182 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.320 your baby, love for your neighbor, love for others, love for yourself, 183 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.759 even love for God, love for God, of course. Yeah, 184 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.240 and sound mindedness. Those three things go out the door when you embrace the 185 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.919 spirit of fear, power, love and sound mindedness. Yeah, that's how 186 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.440 you can talk to a woman going into the abortion center and she'll tell you 187 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.080 abortion is terrible, it's wrong, and yet she's going to do it and 188 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.000 you're like that's not sound thinking. Right, right. or You can talk 189 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.279 to a woman who, in one instance, is she was going to get 190 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.200 her teeth cleaned at a dentist. Would never go to a dentist that she 191 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.519 didn't know the dentist name and know the track record of the dentist. Right, 192 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.960 very, very careful about what she should subjects herself to. And yet 193 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:11.840 if you ask her who, do you know? Who the WHO? The 194 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.279 doctor is going to be at the abortion clinic? No, I have no 195 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:20.200 clues. Like that's not sound that you would subject yourself to a very invasive 196 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.720 procedure in the most vulnerable, vulnerable position a woman could be in, by 197 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.799 the way, before a doctor you don't even know their name, their track 198 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.960 record or anything that's not sound. But people will and we've done it before, 199 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.759 right, we've been subjected to a spirit of fear and we've done things 200 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.759 that are in contrast to power, love and sound mindedness. Right, one 201 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:48.120 of the things I'll often say is you rarely make a good decision from a 202 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:56.879 fearful position. So try to help them to work through that fear. Absolutely, 203 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.200 move beyond that. But so we ready to move into Agar them. 204 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.399 Okay, so anger is we all all experience it from the women out there, 205 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:11.240 and while the anger can be coming from many sources, it's it's very 206 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:15.639 often out of fear. Yeah, they're responding out of fear and the anger 207 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:20.559 is usually not really towards us. Right, where the the safe object to 208 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.120 pour that anger out upon? But they're really angry at we've said this so 209 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.120 many times, that the boyfriend at the circumstances there in it, or a 210 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:30.440 God, yeah, God yourself. Yeah, a lot of times it is. 211 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.159 If you if you really dig into the the situation, it really ask 212 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:39.720 questions, you'll find that their anger is is a lot of times with the 213 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:45.799 Lord, Right. Their anger a lot of times is with themselves, and 214 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.720 you just so happened to be a representative of God, the one who they're 215 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.840 angry with. That's why, you know, they don't know you from Adam, 216 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.519 as they say. Why would they be angry at you? You know 217 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:58.679 you're standing out there. Maybe. I mean, have had people yelling at 218 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:03.039 me going into the abortion center and I haven't even opened my mouth yet. 219 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:07.440 I'm not holding a sign or anything right, and so why are they angry 220 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:10.919 at me that I haven't even said anything to him? It's because I represent 221 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.320 the one whom they're really angry with, the Lord, and my presence, 222 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.440 your presence out there, is holding up a standard of truth. So they're 223 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.600 angry with themselves and they're angry with God and holding up that standard of truth, 224 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:27.679 because they know why you're there. They know that they shouldn't be there 225 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:32.039 and you represent Ah, the one who they're accountable to. That's why they 226 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:36.200 get angry. Again, it's not sound thinking, right, but it is 227 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.279 the mindset, this angry mindset, that we have to be aware of. 228 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:42.320 Yeah, and knowing that helps in many in many ways. First of all, 229 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.960 it helps you to know it's not personal right, they're not really angry 230 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:51.799 at you, they're angry at a whole host of other things. But secondly, 231 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:56.000 knowing that is a mindset you're going to encounter and it's not against you 232 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:02.120 personally. Sometimes you may not be able to make a difference in that anger. 233 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:06.079 There are some people that beat themselves up thinking they've caused the anger. 234 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:10.839 You haven't. You haven't caused the anger unless you're purposely doing so. I 235 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:12.720 mean, I guess there are counselors that will go out there and say things 236 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:18.240 that really do stir up anger. But our desire, that's why we really 237 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:23.960 counsel or train our counselors, to be gentle in their language, be truthful, 238 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.319 but don't purposely use words that are going to insight anger, because anger 239 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:34.400 is always already there and it this is a real crisis situation and and it's 240 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:40.839 a powder keg where just the littlest thing could really set people off because they're 241 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:45.920 already so angry. So the things will counsel when you encounter anger, a 242 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.599 gentle answer turns away breath. That is, I think, one of the 243 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.119 best oh absolutely keep in our mind yeah, yeah, of course, again, 244 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.440 understanding this mindsets. They're so not being not being taken off guard. 245 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.880 There are people angry, I mean they're there are people that show up to 246 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:04.599 the sidewalk to do ministry, thinking somehow that they're going to be the the 247 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.240 the savior of the world and all these women are going to flock to them 248 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.079 and everybody's going to be so happy that they're out there and then they find 249 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.559 out very quickly that some people are pretty angry that they're out there. And 250 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.079 to be be aware of this mindset of anger, the mindset of fear and 251 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.240 the other mindsets are going to talk about. Don't be offended if people are 252 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:25.880 angry at you because, listen, it's not about you. You're holding up 253 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:30.920 a standard of truth. And then just don't take it personal. That's probably 254 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.640 one of the main things when you encounter this mindset, this angry mindset. 255 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:40.279 Don't take it personal. Yeah, and you know, do what the Bible 256 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.359 says. Soft answer turns away wrath. Be Willing to hear. I mean, 257 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:48.799 I've had women literally spitting and cussing in my face and I just calm 258 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.920 down, give it to the Lord. I don't answer and anger back, 259 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:57.079 and God diffuses the stuff right away. Now I've also responded back in anger 260 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:03.079 to anger and yeah, it doesn't definitely go so well. It does not 261 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:04.960 go well where I have found if you put up your hands, you know, 262 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:11.880 in a surrender yeah kind of expression and and say we're here offering help 263 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:17.720 and then start listening how we can help, that often diffuses it. Yeah, 264 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.279 can, because they really they it's hard to be angry with someone who's 265 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:27.079 offering you wonderful things. Not Every facility and not every Sidebach team is going 266 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.200 to have a whole lot of help to offer. Are Outside, of course, 267 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:34.880 the Gospel reding on what kind of mentorship program would what kind of church 268 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.640 back and you have whatever. But if there is help to offer, having 269 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:42.960 that at the ready, yeah, for them, I think really does go 270 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:48.920 a long way towards diffusing yeah, anger. Yeah, absolutely. You're always 271 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:55.599 going to encounter, without a doubt, people saying you're here making women feel 272 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:59.799 guilty, right, and so that's the next mindset. Yeah, and I 273 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:06.240 guarantee we are not there causing the guilt. That is something that they are 274 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:14.920 feeling because honestly, that's natural. They're doing something that's they know everyone knows 275 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.480 in their heart, yeah, that killing their own child is wrong. Right. 276 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:25.640 Yeah, and so guilty is the natural reaction of a conscience that God 277 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:29.039 has instilled in every one of us to discern right from wrong. Yeah. 278 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.799 Yeah. Let me point out to though, this is a common mindset. 279 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.039 There's also a mindset, and I don't think you have it on here. 280 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:42.480 Okay, but this is kind of like maybe the the flip side of guilt 281 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:47.839 is this sort of brazenness, this sort of seared conscience, where they they're 282 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:52.640 feeling nothing. Right, yeah, numbness maybe, or just obstinate is a 283 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.799 mindset. Yeah, and so maybe we'll talk about that a little more. 284 00:20:56.839 --> 00:20:59.279 But I do want to talk about guilt in the sense this. I know, 285 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:03.559 especially in our American Christianity, we have this idea and maybe we've been 286 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.480 taught this in our churches at somehow guilt is a bad thing, that no 287 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:12.759 one should ever feel shame or guilt. Well, that's not what the Bible 288 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:18.000 says. Actually, people should feel guilt when they're doing things that they're guilty 289 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:23.720 for. Right when someone schedules now, again, I'm not minimizing circumstances. 290 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:27.559 I'm a compassionate person, right I'll try to get in the mindset of these 291 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:32.880 women and meet them where they're at. But if someone has scheduled an appointment 292 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:37.599 to murder their own child, they should feel guilty, right. There should 293 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.559 be guilt. Yeah, if someone murders their child through abortion, there should 294 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.920 be there is guilt, whether they feel it or not. They're guilty to 295 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.359 God and there should be shame, like you should be ashamed of doing things 296 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:55.960 like that. But that shame and guilt is intended by God to lead us 297 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:59.799 to him, the one who can relieve shame and guilt. What happens is 298 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:03.039 the devil kind of flips it on its head and makes that shame and guilt 299 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:08.359 become condemnation where there's no there's no hope of restoration. I've said it before. 300 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:18.440 Guilt or conviction is guilt or shame with the hope of restoration. Condemnation 301 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.559 is guilt or shame without the hope of restoration. Right, there's always hope 302 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:29.039 of restoration in God. But I will say a guilty mindset is something that 303 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.799 you can work with, like you can. You can speak to that and 304 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:34.920 you can speak to especially when you're dealing with a woman that's going into the 305 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.000 abortion center. It's a little different when they're coming out after they've had the 306 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:42.720 abortion as they're going in and you encounter a guilty mindset. You can play 307 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:48.039 on that and say things like you don't have to feel guilty because you can 308 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:51.160 leave this place, right, and you can ask questions. Okay, if 309 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:55.000 you're feeling guilty, why do you think that is? Yeah, why do 310 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:59.000 you think you're feeling guilt? It's because you know that what you're doing is 311 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.000 wrong, right. Yeah, and so you can, you can, you 312 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:06.960 can build on that foundation of guilt. Guilt is not a as, not 313 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.359 a place that people should stay, right. They should go from guilt to 314 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.359 restoration, and we, who have the Gospel, can lead them there, 315 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.119 right, we can lead them to the Lord. Yeah, but the idea 316 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.559 that guilt is altogether bad is just a false notion. Yeah, and and 317 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:26.759 guilt shows conflict. So that's why it's such a positive thing if they're admitting 318 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.160 that there they are feeling guilty, and I've had them say that I'm feeling 319 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.319 guilty. I don't know why I've had them say that to me before. 320 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:37.640 If they're feeling guilt, I'll say that is so wonderful because it shows that 321 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:44.000 your conscience is open to God's prompting and the holy spirits prompting and and try 322 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:47.400 to remember a time in your life or times in your life when you don't 323 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:52.359 feel guilt. What are those things that you're doing? And they'll describe things 324 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.200 that are good. Yeah, and you don't feel guilt, and reminding them 325 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:00.559 that that is at which would you prefer to feel? And every everyone would 326 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:06.400 prefer to feel a clear conscience. So so again pointing out the guilt, 327 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.000 knowing it's there but that you haven't caused it, and and offering them how 328 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:17.599 they could avoid continuing down that path of having a guilty conscience before God. 329 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:21.880 Yeah, which is by doing the right thing. Something that I think many 330 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:26.640 of the women experience, again, almost all of them, is they have 331 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:32.000 been betrayed. They have a sense of betrayal. They've been often betrayed by 332 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.839 the guy who said he loved them and really was just using them, right, 333 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:40.400 and they have figured that out. Betrayal by parents, by friends, 334 00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:45.559 yea, and they by God. They feel betrayed by God. I've heard 335 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:51.200 them say so many times. God didn't have to let me become pregnant, 336 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:56.079 he could have stopped it. Yeah, so they feel betrayed because they think 337 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:00.000 often they think they're good people right, that are not at all responsible for 338 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:07.400 or they're not claiming responsibility, rightful responsibility for, why they're in the situation 339 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.200 that they're in. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's something again, 340 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.400 we have to deal with. Yeah, in reality, if you have 341 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:17.319 sex outside of marriage, you've betrayed the Lord. Right, you've betrayed your 342 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:21.759 own conscience that God graciously gave you. But of course, the enemy with 343 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:26.920 his lies and the human human are in our flesh. We turn things upside 344 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.079 down, right, and so this betrayal and that that they've been betrayed by 345 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.680 God is it's a false notion, but to something we have to answer, 346 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.279 we have to talk about and in sense that like the way you answer that 347 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.640 is, you know God, that God hasn't betrayed you. God has a 348 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:42.799 plan for you and for this child. What if it's this child that God 349 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:47.119 is going to use in your life to turn things right side up? Yeah, 350 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.799 you know. And so we talk about trust and we deal with fear, 351 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:53.039 we deal with guilt, we bring it to trust, trust the Lord. 352 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.720 Yeah, yeah, and talking about betrayal from family members and things like 353 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.319 that, obviously when we're talking about, you know, about the resources and 354 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:04.880 the things that we have, you've got parents who, in all intents and 355 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:08.920 purposes, that's to support people that are supposed to be there for her. 356 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:14.079 When she gets in a difficult situation, ie. An unplanned pregnancy, like 357 00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:17.880 those people should be there, but they betray her and that that is really 358 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:21.759 a betrayal. When a when when parents tell their kid, you can't live 359 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:23.359 in our house because you're pregnant, that is a betrayal. It knows, 360 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.319 I'm not going to point the finger at all parents that do that. Maybe 361 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.200 there's some reasons for that or whatever, but for the most part that's a 362 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:34.200 betrayal. And so how do we answer that? How do we counteract that? 363 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:40.759 Well, we share resources. If you've been kicked out, we're not 364 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.759 here to betray you, we're here to help you. We're here to try 365 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.119 to step in where those support people have been kind of pulled out from under 366 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.839 you. Yeah, and here's some resources, here's a housing ministry. I 367 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.680 think just recently you took a young lady to a housing ministry, to a 368 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.880 resource that could help her in a situation like that. So ss to trail 369 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.559 in her life and was currently living in a with a guy who had betrayed 370 00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:08.759 her, and they'll often get try eyed and say yes, and but, 371 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:11.400 and then I'll say, well, you know, a parent, just what 372 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.480 you were saying, Daniel. A parent, or you know, a loved 373 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:22.920 one, is supposed to protect and and show self less behavior towards the person 374 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:27.039 that they claim to love or that should be loved, the One Who protects 375 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.200 and loves them. Well, what about a mother? Yeah, towards her 376 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.799 child. Think about what that child is in a place that God perfectly designed 377 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:41.680 to be a place of protection, and a mother's really natural instinct is given 378 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:47.960 by God to protect and nurture that child in the womb. Look at what's 379 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:52.359 about to happen here. That is a indeed at betrayal. Yeah, if 380 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:57.039 you towards an innocent, vulnerable human being, you see how betrayal leads to 381 00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:02.599 such a terrible and do you want to be a part of that right? 382 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:06.480 Yeah, yeah, and I think, I mean, there's a lot more 383 00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:12.519 to this article, but I think we'll end with this last point. Okay, 384 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:18.000 and maybe I'll give some maybe some closing thoughts about the mindsets and things. 385 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:21.880 Just some things. Are you guys to be thinking about. But one 386 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.279 of the mind sets that we do have to deal with, you have listed 387 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:29.559 in this article, is feeling overwhelmed. Yeah, can we have to understand 388 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.599 that a lot of these women, the world has fallen down around them. 389 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.119 Right there. Support people are support network has betrayed them. They're under a 390 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.720 spirit of fear, they're young, they don't know where to turn, what 391 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:42.480 to do. They got on Google and the first thing that popped up was 392 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.960 a preferred woman's help center, a plan parenthood will solve all your problems. 393 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:52.960 Right. They've just they've just been overwhelmed with the circumstance. For many of 394 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.839 the women, it's like it's not one big thing, it's a bunch of 395 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.599 little things in their life that is kind of stacked against them. Now I 396 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.400 have seen over the years as I've talked to women and men at the abortion 397 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.839 centers, is typically there's like one thing that's a straw that broke the camels 398 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:12.400 back, but it's a bunch of little things that really brought them to the 399 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.559 place where they thought that killing their child was a solution to their to their 400 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.559 issues, you know. And so we have to understand that feeling overwhelmed. 401 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.559 Now, how do we counteract that feeling overwhelmed. It kind of it's kind 402 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.279 of in the same vein of fear and some of the other things we talked 403 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:33.400 about. I think you have to and I think I know you have to, 404 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.200 bring God into the equation. Yes, you have to encourage them to 405 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:42.920 put their trust in him because, even though they might be overwhelmed, God, 406 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.880 if he's with them in this, he can help sort through all the 407 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:51.720 mess. And, on top of that, the church people who are going 408 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.599 to stand with her and sort through this mess with her. Having mentors, 409 00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.920 having churches that will surround them with help and resources is really helpful to help 410 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.440 them get out of that overwhelmed sort of mindset. Yeah, and so just 411 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.000 in wrapping up, I don't know if you have anything to add to that. 412 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.000 No, I think we do need to kind of wrap it up. 413 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.319 I think we've made a lot of really good points and and you can go 414 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.680 to the article and really red for more detail, but I want to hear 415 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.680 your yes, I was just wanting to speak to how you started a lady 416 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.359 who had actually come to our boot camp, Michelle. She came to our 417 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:32.079 boot camp a couple of months ago and she's from Colorado area. Had reached 418 00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.880 out. She reaches out at an abortion center where they do only late term 419 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.880 abortions. Just kind of a rare thing. It's kind of rare thing to 420 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.599 have an abortion facility that does late term abortions, but to have one that 421 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.400 only does late term abortions, obviously they specialize in that. Pretty well known 422 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.799 abortionist. I forget the abortionist name her and I think so. Yeah, 423 00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:55.519 and so she asked, you know, is is there any is there any 424 00:30:55.559 --> 00:31:00.480 difference in reaching out at a late term abortion facility as opposed to one that 425 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:06.480 does abortions through, you know, all mostly early trimester abortions, right, 426 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.759 which is where most of the abortion centers, or how far along most of 427 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:12.759 the abortion centers, do the abortions at? And I started thinking, as 428 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:18.720 I was looking at her email about the mindset of a woman who's got a 429 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.200 late term pregnancy going to an abortion center, like, is the mindset any 430 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.000 different? In reality, there are some some things that are similar, right, 431 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.799 like the fear factor that's there. It's just are probably there. They 432 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.920 all though all of those things are quite likely there. Yeah, but there 433 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:34.880 is a difference, I think, a pretty significant difference that we need to 434 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.279 consider, and I'm just putting this out there for you guys consideration, not 435 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.680 just to help Michelle understand this thing, because we answer heard an email, 436 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:47.279 but to get you guys to be thinking. Are there's some scenarios and some 437 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:51.400 things that are different about the abortion facility that I reach out at that I 438 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.640 can kind of be thinking in the mindset of people that are coming. You 439 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.960 know, let's say, for example, I'm just throwing this out there, 440 00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:02.240 maybe you're your Bor abortion facility is in a very affluent neighborhood or area where 441 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:07.440 the vast majority the people that are coming in are not driving beat up clunkers 442 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.400 like what we see here at latrobe. Well, if they're driving really nice 443 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.799 cards, right, there's kind of a different mindset. They're not really going 444 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.559 to need resources, right. You want to talk about resources and alternatives and 445 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:21.799 stuff, but you're probably not going to major on that because if somebody rolls 446 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:27.039 in in a Mercedes bends that's brand new and, you know, cost more 447 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.759 than your house or whatever, you probably not going to be saying, Hey, 448 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:32.880 we have held before you, not the man dish right issue. Right. 449 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.480 So that's a mindset thing. Yeah, and is it pertains some people 450 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.640 that are further along in pregnancy coming and having abortions. Like we always say, 451 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.119 nobody gets up in the morning saying says, Hey, it's a good 452 00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.440 day for an abortion, right, but for these women, certainly it's. 453 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:51.319 This is not something that just happened in one day. Right. Most of 454 00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:54.880 the women that have a late term abortion have a late term abortion because of 455 00:32:54.880 --> 00:33:00.000 fetal abnormalities. They've been told something is wrong with their baby, heart defect, 456 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:07.599 spin a Bifita, some other Tristunomi, thirteen down syndrome, maybe there's 457 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:12.559 some issue with the baby. Now, none of that justifies abortion. We 458 00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.440 know that. We understand that. You don't kill a baby to save a 459 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.640 baby. That's ridiculous, right. It's at mindset of fear, I'm going 460 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.440 to kill my baby. And what I told Michelle is for a lot of 461 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.240 these people it's like a mercy kill. It's like, instead of that baby 462 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:29.960 living a horrible life or instead of that baby being born and then dying, 463 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.799 you know, hours later, which can happen, sure, let's go ahead 464 00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.559 and kill that baby inside of the women. It's it's selfish, it's ridiculous, 465 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.359 but it's a mindset that we need to understand. Often Times those women 466 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:44.440 have had multiple ultra sounds. If you're further along and pregnancy and you're coming 467 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:49.640 for an abortion, they've been multiple ultrasounds. There's there's no, there's no 468 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.200 longer that lie, that it's a blob of tissue or clump of cells. 469 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.960 They've seen it, they've seen some of the fetal abnormalities and that's how they've 470 00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:00.640 justified the abortion. Again, none of that stuff justifies abortion. None of 471 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:05.480 that stuff minimizes what they're doing. And are there people that have late term 472 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.760 abortions that do it because of other issues rather than fetal abnormalities or whatever? 473 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.599 Certainly I'm sure there are. The vast majority are in that situation, and 474 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.079 so we need to be thinking in that mindset. We need to be talking 475 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.400 in that mindset. We talk about the humanity of the baby. I think 476 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:28.000 we definitely need to talk about their accountability to God, that that still a 477 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.159 baby, that's still a precious child made in his image, even though he 478 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:36.039 or she has some birth defects or some issues going on. That child is 479 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:37.559 still a human being and you're still accountable to God. I think you can 480 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:43.119 do that very graciously and we need to be very careful because they're going through 481 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.159 probably one of the most difficult seasons of their life. Right. So we 482 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.920 have to be very intentional with our tone, very intentional with the words that 483 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.599 we say, but also very intention about speaking the truth, because the babies 484 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.599 that are killed on a late term abortion facility are just as valuable as the 485 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:04.079 in the sight of God as the babies that are killed in early trimester abortions, 486 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.480 and vice versa. Right, these are human beings and it's wrong to 487 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.239 kill human beings because human beings are made in the image of God. Right 488 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.559 now, I did read that there was another common reason for a late term 489 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.519 abortion, which is the health of the mother. Yeah, that's sometimes it's 490 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.119 not discovered till later on in the PRESNENCY, but it's operating from that same 491 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:27.880 spirit of fear and it it's again taken kind of God's job into our own 492 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.800 hands. Yeah, yeah, and so just some things for you guys to 493 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.199 consider, some mindsets for you guys to consider, and I would say put 494 00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.119 all of this to serious prayer and ask the Lord God help me to get 495 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:43.079 in the mindset of the people that I'm ministering to right and got will help 496 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.559 you to do that. You will. So, guys, we appreciate you 497 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.039 listening to this podcast. 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