Three Main Talking Points

WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:07.750 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord, 2 00:00:08.230 --> 00:00:12.550 I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center Prayer Life Podcast, and 3 00:00:12.630 --> 00:00:15.990 this episode we're going to continue to do some training and we're going to talk 4 00:00:16.030 --> 00:00:20.829 about something very important. Are Three talking points for sidewalk outreach. Stay with 5 00:00:20.910 --> 00:00:36.649 us. I felt show passish, touch your heart, use me. Welcome 6 00:00:36.689 --> 00:00:39.929 to the Gospel Center prayer life podcast. 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Those who have not been a part of our sidewalk training, 16 00:01:15.390 --> 00:01:18.549 we're trying to wet your appetite for being a part of the sidewalk training 17 00:01:18.620 --> 00:01:23.379 and really going into depth on some of the different aspects, breaking down some 18 00:01:23.500 --> 00:01:26.420 of the different slides, some of the different topics that we cover in our 19 00:01:26.579 --> 00:01:32.579 sidewalk training. We can't go into into too much depth when we're doing that 20 00:01:32.659 --> 00:01:34.730 training because it's like two hours and I think two hours is about as much 21 00:01:34.769 --> 00:01:38.849 as you can you can get in a zoom without people just totally getting worn 22 00:01:38.890 --> 00:01:42.329 out. So we kind of thought, let's take those aspects and break them 23 00:01:42.370 --> 00:01:46.209 down for those who've been a part of the training, those who have it, 24 00:01:46.969 --> 00:01:52.799 to just train further, train deeper so that we can be as effective 25 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:57.040 as possible. That's the goal. We want Jesus to be glorified and he's 26 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:00.000 glorified when we bear fruit. He's glorified when we obey Him, first and 27 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:05.230 foremost, but when we obey him, fruit is born and we want the 28 00:02:05.349 --> 00:02:09.069 fruit to be as much and as beautiful as possible. So training helps us 29 00:02:09.110 --> 00:02:14.509 to do that. Amen. We're going to get today into what we call 30 00:02:15.550 --> 00:02:21.060 we say as we do the training we have what, why and how format. 31 00:02:21.219 --> 00:02:24.340 So what sidewalk out reach is, why we do sidewalk out reach and 32 00:02:24.500 --> 00:02:29.139 how, and often say that the how part is the meat of it. 33 00:02:29.620 --> 00:02:31.449 Right, it's where we get into the nitty gritty of how to do this, 34 00:02:31.530 --> 00:02:36.729 certain aspects of sidewalk out reach. But I say, if that is 35 00:02:36.810 --> 00:02:38.969 the meat of it, if the how is the meat of it, this 36 00:02:38.090 --> 00:02:43.330 is like the the really juicy part of the meat. This is like the 37 00:02:43.409 --> 00:02:46.759 really important part. And what we're talking about is the three talking points. 38 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:53.199 As we've looked over the years at just kind of the counseling that we do 39 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:55.680 on the sidewalk and how we minister to the Moms and dad's on the sidewalk 40 00:02:55.719 --> 00:03:01.150 out the abortion center in the different aspects that we minister to them in really 41 00:03:01.189 --> 00:03:06.789 kind of what what is? I looked at it, what really kind of 42 00:03:06.830 --> 00:03:14.139 stuck out as there three main talking points, three topics or subjects, main 43 00:03:14.219 --> 00:03:19.580 areas, main areas that we speak from right and as we're doing trainings, 44 00:03:19.659 --> 00:03:23.979 we try to get this into people's hearts and people's minds at three different aspects, 45 00:03:23.060 --> 00:03:27.289 three talking points. So that, because people are worried, what do 46 00:03:27.370 --> 00:03:30.689 I say? Yeah, and it's overwhelming. There's so many things you could 47 00:03:30.689 --> 00:03:34.210 say. So how do you kind of organize it in an in your mind? 48 00:03:34.689 --> 00:03:37.969 Yeah, that it's easier for you to when you're out there in the 49 00:03:38.090 --> 00:03:42.840 high stress and tension of the sidewalk. You've got these three main areas that 50 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:45.520 you're going to pull from. Yeah. Yeah, and of course there are 51 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:49.759 other things that you can say, you can bring into the conversation, things 52 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:53.080 that maybe you're not necessarily within the framework of these three talking points. But 53 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.270 I think for the most part of the things that we've found that are effective 54 00:03:55.349 --> 00:04:00.229 to say to an abortion minded mom really found in these three talking points. 55 00:04:00.310 --> 00:04:03.710 Right. Yeah, and it's not like we come from a place of just 56 00:04:04.830 --> 00:04:10.699 opinion or, you know, something we may be thought might work. This 57 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:15.379 is from experience. This is from fifteen years experience of my part, eight 58 00:04:15.419 --> 00:04:19.420 years experience on your part. So combined that's a lot of years experience. 59 00:04:21.220 --> 00:04:25.370 Twenty three me. I think that is exactly twenty three. That's that was 60 00:04:25.490 --> 00:04:29.930 that was a test and you pass. Good job. So math and sidewalk 61 00:04:30.009 --> 00:04:33.649 counseling. You're strong suits, won't that? Talented? Yeah, and so 62 00:04:34.529 --> 00:04:40.839 again we speak from experience. Yeah, and also from a biblical perspective, 63 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:46.000 and that's why our first talking point is what God says. Right. So 64 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:47.720 the three talking points. Just to let the cot out, of the bag 65 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.360 those who haven't been to our training. We even have this on the sidewalks 66 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:55.870 for life website as well. Yeah, I do wrote an article about the 67 00:04:55.910 --> 00:04:58.870 three talking points in it. There's a video there about those three talks and 68 00:04:58.949 --> 00:05:00.189 this, at hope, will be posted there. I wrote an article to 69 00:05:00.310 --> 00:05:06.740 a company just this this podcast. So those three talking points are what God 70 00:05:06.939 --> 00:05:13.980 says, the humanity of the baby and the resources available. Right, very 71 00:05:14.060 --> 00:05:16.220 simple. So, as you're calling out to a woman going into the abortion 72 00:05:16.379 --> 00:05:19.139 center, what are the things that you want to touch on with those three 73 00:05:19.180 --> 00:05:24.449 talking points? You want to touch on what God says, the humanity of 74 00:05:24.490 --> 00:05:27.850 the baby and the resources that are available. And you're talking to a woman 75 00:05:27.930 --> 00:05:30.730 one on one. She stopped, her car, pulled over and she's engaging 76 00:05:30.810 --> 00:05:33.889 with you. She's coming to the abortion center, obviously, and you're having 77 00:05:33.930 --> 00:05:39.120 a conversation with her. What you want the conversation to will you really the 78 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:43.680 framework of the conversation to be? Well, it's what God says, the 79 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:47.600 humanity of the baby in the resources that are available. It's very simple and 80 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:51.430 it's very simple to a really tall all three of these points in together, 81 00:05:51.430 --> 00:06:00.709 they're really interwoven into a conversation and even you know, fifteen second pitch, 82 00:06:00.029 --> 00:06:03.269 so to stake, as they're walking into the abortion center. Will and all, 83 00:06:03.300 --> 00:06:08.699 you have a better word than pitch and pitch or Speel, I don't 84 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:12.339 know. Plea. Yeah, that's fifteen second. Plea yes to that. 85 00:06:12.459 --> 00:06:15.220 Woman. See here, you got good with words to not just math. 86 00:06:15.699 --> 00:06:20.329 Praise God. Yeah, you're fifteen second and fifteen second plea writ consider around 87 00:06:20.610 --> 00:06:25.449 Therese these three talking points. What God says, the humanity of the baby 88 00:06:25.529 --> 00:06:29.050 and the resources. And so I'll just give you, guys, an example 89 00:06:29.649 --> 00:06:31.730 of what I might say people as a what do you say in fifteen seconds? 90 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:35.240 I think I can cover this in less than fifteen seconds. Shack time 91 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:39.319 you maybe you should time. Okay, what are you thinking? I don't 92 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.000 have a secondhand. Oh I do. Okay, you ready? Yeah, 93 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:45.560 okay, here we go. Okay, Mama, your baby is precious in 94 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:46.990 the sight of God. He has a plan for you and your child. 95 00:06:47.149 --> 00:06:50.829 We have help available for you. Mama, your baby's heart is already beating. 96 00:06:50.870 --> 00:06:55.389 Please come over and talk to me. What's that? Wow, nine 97 00:06:55.509 --> 00:06:59.790 seconds, nine seconds. So touch them all. Three did you get off 98 00:06:59.829 --> 00:07:02.139 those talking points? Absolutely did. Okay, let's let's go through that. 99 00:07:02.300 --> 00:07:06.779 So, Mama, you're called the Ramma. Yeah, that's already kind of 100 00:07:08.139 --> 00:07:11.660 that's implying humanity. Yeah, yeah, there's if she's not a mom, 101 00:07:11.699 --> 00:07:14.180 if there's not a human involved, to be a human in there. Yeah, 102 00:07:14.180 --> 00:07:16.290 okay. What is your next thing? You're your baby's hard as already 103 00:07:16.290 --> 00:07:19.370 beating us and your baby is precious to the Lord. Are Your baby the 104 00:07:19.449 --> 00:07:24.930 where? God says yeah, maybe, and then entering God into the equation, 105 00:07:24.970 --> 00:07:29.250 right, your baby is precious God. God says, your baby is 106 00:07:29.290 --> 00:07:30.720 precious. Oh, yeah, what God says? Uh Huh. And then 107 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.439 we have help available. Please come over and talk to me. So there's 108 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:39.079 the resources. Now you obviously can't get very specific in fifteen seconds. No, 109 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:42.600 the point is to touch on if you can, and we try to 110 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.069 train our counselors at at least touch on each one of those areas. And 111 00:07:46.110 --> 00:07:48.990 then every time you see that mom, you can expand. Yeah, absolutely, 112 00:07:49.029 --> 00:07:51.949 where she comes to talk with you one on one, obviously, then 113 00:07:51.949 --> 00:07:56.350 you can expand. Yeah, and one of the resources that I'll call out 114 00:07:56.430 --> 00:07:59.779 to. I didn't get to specific in there, but you can get specific. 115 00:07:59.860 --> 00:08:01.500 Can say we have a free ultrasound right over here. We have a 116 00:08:01.579 --> 00:08:05.620 mobiltre saying it right there, or you could say if you have a pregnancy 117 00:08:05.660 --> 00:08:07.220 center in your area and you don't have a mobile unit, you can say 118 00:08:07.459 --> 00:08:11.819 there's a pregnancy center fifteen minutes away that will give you a free pregnancy test 119 00:08:11.899 --> 00:08:13.610 and free ultrasound. Because you had seven more seconds to play with. I 120 00:08:13.689 --> 00:08:16.290 had seven. Were against seven, six, up, six, e. 121 00:08:16.329 --> 00:08:20.529 There you go with your awesome math. Well, let's let me get an 122 00:08:20.569 --> 00:08:24.329 example of you and you're fifteen second please. What would you say? Well, 123 00:08:24.449 --> 00:08:28.800 I said, I typically say, Young Lady, your precious child is 124 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.600 made in the image of God with a beating heart as early as seventeen days. 125 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.080 You can look at that beating hard on our free ultrasound parked on the 126 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:43.110 curb right now. Yeah, so your precious baby is made in the image 127 00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:46.070 of God. I want to get right away to a val you statement. 128 00:08:46.110 --> 00:08:48.230 Yeah, of the baby, and that to me is the most significant value 129 00:08:48.269 --> 00:08:52.830 statement. There may be others, but that's the one to me that that 130 00:08:52.029 --> 00:08:56.139 really speaks to the value of the baby and why, at its crux, 131 00:08:56.220 --> 00:08:58.460 why that child is valuable before God, and it's because that baby is made 132 00:08:58.500 --> 00:09:03.820 in God's image. So your pressure baby made in the image of God with 133 00:09:03.940 --> 00:09:09.139 a beating heart. So that gets into the baby's development as early as seventeen 134 00:09:09.259 --> 00:09:13.409 days. And we have an ultrasound parked right in the curb. Talks about 135 00:09:13.409 --> 00:09:18.490 a specific resource that we happen to have here in Charlotte. Yeah, yeah, 136 00:09:18.570 --> 00:09:20.250 absolutely soon. And that was about fifteen seconds. You didn't time, 137 00:09:20.250 --> 00:09:22.409 I mean I did time in my mind. It was actually twelve and a 138 00:09:22.409 --> 00:09:28.039 half seconds. Not Bad. Yeah, okay, have a built in clot 139 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.200 of had three more seconds worth of plea. Two and a half. Okay, 140 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.320 two and a half right. So, but great job. Okay, 141 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:37.590 thank you. Yeah, ok. Let's break down, then, these three 142 00:09:39.190 --> 00:09:43.350 talking points. Okay, let's break down why. Maybe we'll get into some 143 00:09:43.509 --> 00:09:46.629 why, but really, in the what? What are we focusing on when 144 00:09:46.629 --> 00:09:50.590 we're talking about these three Tagger points? And the first one is what God 145 00:09:50.669 --> 00:09:56.139 says? Now, right in that there's actually a lot right, because I'm 146 00:09:56.179 --> 00:09:58.620 thinking to my mind as I'm talking about what God says first, what God 147 00:09:58.700 --> 00:10:03.740 says about that baby. It's kind of like a voiced in my little please. 148 00:10:03.860 --> 00:10:07.889 Seven seconds, non second. Plea. Correct. That the value, 149 00:10:07.970 --> 00:10:11.289 like you said, the value statement. Your baby is precious in a in 150 00:10:11.370 --> 00:10:15.769 the side of all right. So I'm introducing, of course, the humanity 151 00:10:15.809 --> 00:10:18.649 of the baby, but also the fact that there's a God that has a 152 00:10:18.690 --> 00:10:22.799 plan for that baby. So that's what God has to say about that baby. 153 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.279 But also, I want to introduce, and if forget into it, 154 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.559 more in depth conversation, I'm introducing what God says about that mother, right, 155 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.399 that he loves her and he has a plan for her. Or, 156 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.950 you know, I could go in that direction. I can go in the 157 00:10:35.029 --> 00:10:39.870 direction. Also, God says that he sees what she's doing. That's what 158 00:10:39.990 --> 00:10:41.750 God has to say. Now call her to account. Yeah, exactly, 159 00:10:41.870 --> 00:10:45.909 that she's accountable to God. That's what God has to say, right. 160 00:10:45.950 --> 00:10:50.059 Yeah, and what God has to say about the sanctity of life all together. 161 00:10:50.539 --> 00:10:54.899 And he does the six commandment that shine not murder. So that becomes 162 00:10:54.940 --> 00:10:58.340 the more hard hitting yes, ch yeah, and I can introduce the idea 163 00:10:58.460 --> 00:11:03.289 that abortion is murder. Now I typically don't, well, typically I never 164 00:11:03.529 --> 00:11:07.970 lead with don't go in there and murder your baby, because I do think 165 00:11:07.009 --> 00:11:09.730 it's a nonstarter for a conversation. It's like, don't go in there and 166 00:11:09.809 --> 00:11:13.769 violently murder your baby. Please come over and talk to me typically doesn't make 167 00:11:13.809 --> 00:11:16.769 me very approached, because I want them. I don't want to just deliver 168 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:20.480 information right. I want to get them to come over and talk to me 169 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:24.759 so I can help break down the information that I want to deliver. Yeah, 170 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:30.159 so in my fifteen second, ten fifteen second appeal or plea, I 171 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.070 want to provoke them to come over and talk, not just deliver information. 172 00:11:33.710 --> 00:11:35.669 But if they don't come over and talk, I want to make sure the 173 00:11:35.750 --> 00:11:39.830 information is sufficient to plant those seeds of truth right. And so I'll we'll 174 00:11:39.870 --> 00:11:43.029 talk about abortion being murder. Typically, in my mind I'm thinking when they 175 00:11:43.029 --> 00:11:46.899 get out of their car, it's a plea of you know, your baby 176 00:11:48.019 --> 00:11:50.220 is precious in the side of the Lord. God has a good plan for 177 00:11:50.259 --> 00:11:52.419 you. By the time they get to the door, that's when I might 178 00:11:52.419 --> 00:11:54.940 actually get a little more tough with it. I might say, you know, 179 00:11:54.259 --> 00:11:58.299 don't go in there and take the life of your innocent child. In 180 00:11:58.539 --> 00:12:03.129 that I'm implying what God says in his word, the sixth command you should 181 00:12:03.129 --> 00:12:05.929 not murder. And I might even say I'm certainly not against saying abortion is 182 00:12:05.970 --> 00:12:09.450 murder, but I do think we need to be careful in the way that 183 00:12:09.610 --> 00:12:13.210 when we're calling out that we're not calling out in such a way that we're 184 00:12:13.250 --> 00:12:16.840 just an accuser, right, well, just accusing them, yeah, of 185 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.519 being a murderer, I think, and I could be wrong, listen, 186 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:24.200 I've been wrong one time before, so I could be wrong in this and 187 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.960 I'm willing to be corrected. But I do think that throwing around the term 188 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:35.549 murderer is can be a little heavy hitting and not very maybe I'm being a 189 00:12:35.629 --> 00:12:39.029 Pansy, but maybe not very inviting, because I do want them to become 190 00:12:39.070 --> 00:12:41.269 over and talk to me. I don't want to shut the conversation down. 191 00:12:41.629 --> 00:12:43.909 And here's one thing. I've learned it. I know you've learned it as 192 00:12:43.990 --> 00:12:46.980 well, because there are something like, once they go on that door, 193 00:12:46.259 --> 00:12:50.620 they're done for. There's there's no there's no hope for them, there's no 194 00:12:50.740 --> 00:12:52.940 way they're coming back out, and so I want to him as hard as 195 00:12:52.940 --> 00:12:56.580 I can. The reality is, though, about half of the MOMS that 196 00:12:56.659 --> 00:13:01.250 we've seen choose life have chosen life after they go in. If you look 197 00:13:01.250 --> 00:13:03.809 at kind of the flow of things at an abortion center, and I've read 198 00:13:03.929 --> 00:13:07.889 reviews from abortion centers all over the country, so I know this to be 199 00:13:07.970 --> 00:13:13.080 true, that once they check in, they're still about two or three hours 200 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.440 before they're actually going to have the abortion. Now, why they do it 201 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:18.200 like that, I have no clue, but it's a common theme. Yeah, 202 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:24.799 I think they want everybody in there with all of the pre things that 203 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.509 need to be done done so that when the abortionist arrives, his or her 204 00:13:28.669 --> 00:13:33.470 time is used as efficiently as possible. Everything's already done. All he has 205 00:13:33.509 --> 00:13:37.750 to do is, I've heard, he just wheels from he's on a wheel, 206 00:13:37.789 --> 00:13:39.789 that wheeling chair, and just wheels from one little cubicups to the next, 207 00:13:39.830 --> 00:13:43.100 just performing abortion following an abortion, because the women are all prepped, 208 00:13:43.139 --> 00:13:46.460 everything's done and right. Yeah, I don't know if that's true, but 209 00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:48.779 it makes sense that that. That's I've heard that that as well. Yeah, 210 00:13:48.779 --> 00:13:52.700 abortion procedure takes like five minutes, right, and they can an abortion 211 00:13:52.899 --> 00:13:56.009 meal, they can produce abortions really quick right. The point is is that 212 00:13:56.169 --> 00:14:00.490 you've got time to engage with them and just because they've come in and checked 213 00:14:00.529 --> 00:14:03.289 in for their appointment. I think if we shut the conversation down before it 214 00:14:03.409 --> 00:14:09.240 even starts by coming across too heavy hitting, then we shut down potential conversations. 215 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.720 That could happen, you know, an hour after they've already been there 216 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.960 two hours, or even after they've had the abortion. I still want to 217 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.279 have a conversation with him, or after they've taken the abortion pill. I 218 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.720 still want to be able to have that one on one conversation. So if 219 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.950 I hit too hard on abortion is murder and against that's that's what God says. 220 00:14:26.149 --> 00:14:30.350 God says abortion is murder. I'm not afraid to say that, but 221 00:14:30.429 --> 00:14:33.149 I am careful in my language. Yeah, and so I don't typically actually 222 00:14:33.149 --> 00:14:37.350 use the word murder. I might use the word don't take the life of 223 00:14:37.429 --> 00:14:39.659 your innocent baby. And so, yeah, I'm applying innocence. I'm applying 224 00:14:39.659 --> 00:14:43.740 an action that they're doing, because I think abortion is murder could almost be 225 00:14:45.019 --> 00:14:48.779 in these modern times, like a cliche sort of thing. It doesn't really 226 00:14:48.940 --> 00:14:52.740 connect. I could be wrong about that, I don't know. What do 227 00:14:52.779 --> 00:14:56.090 you think? Yeah, now I totally agree with you. I think that 228 00:14:56.809 --> 00:14:58.929 as the day progresses, the more times we see them, they're going to 229 00:14:58.970 --> 00:15:01.210 be in and out, many of them. I don't know if this is 230 00:15:01.370 --> 00:15:05.970 true at all facilities, but it's sure is true here. They're in and 231 00:15:07.049 --> 00:15:09.600 out a lot, going back and forth to their car. We're going to 232 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.759 have many opportunities usually to speak to them and we can also speak over the 233 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:20.000 microphone, which we know they can hear US inside the building. So as 234 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.509 the day progresses, I probably do become a little bit more heavy hitting. 235 00:15:24.509 --> 00:15:30.830 Yeah, but I do try to always keep in mind I want them to 236 00:15:30.950 --> 00:15:33.389 come talk to me, even if they have already had the abortions, that 237 00:15:33.470 --> 00:15:37.740 we can give healing resources so that if it's the pill, we can encourage 238 00:15:37.779 --> 00:15:43.539 them to do the abortion who reversal. So yeah, I think that if 239 00:15:43.620 --> 00:15:50.289 you can speak the truth, but speak it factually but in love and as 240 00:15:50.649 --> 00:15:54.929 much as possible gently, they're more likely to want to reach out to you. 241 00:15:56.210 --> 00:15:58.769 Yeah, and and to come no matter what has happened. Yeah, 242 00:16:00.490 --> 00:16:04.000 so that's yeah, that's not to say it all that we hold back on 243 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.879 the reality that abortion is murder, that we don't say that. I mean, 244 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.080 ultimately we've got to be led by the Holy Spirit. Yeah, and 245 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.519 there can be sometimes where it's appropriate just to say, and God will use 246 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.909 it, abortion is murder. Don't go in there and murder your child. 247 00:16:18.110 --> 00:16:23.230 Yeah, discounting that even seed situations where this is kind of a little off 248 00:16:23.389 --> 00:16:26.509 topic, in this. But it is what God says. When I've seen 249 00:16:26.549 --> 00:16:30.750 men addressed and being called out as being a coward, like you need to 250 00:16:30.830 --> 00:16:34.620 stand up for your baby, God says that you're a guardian, your protective 251 00:16:34.620 --> 00:16:38.019 of your family. You're not doing that's kind of heavy hitting, but I've 252 00:16:38.059 --> 00:16:42.580 seeing God use that to say babies. Yeah, and so certainly again, 253 00:16:42.700 --> 00:16:47.649 not against that. Yeah, I do think we need to be prayerful and 254 00:16:47.769 --> 00:16:52.090 thoughtful in the way that we don't careful. I instead of labeling in general, 255 00:16:52.169 --> 00:16:55.809 and I'm not always good at this because it is harder, but instead 256 00:16:55.850 --> 00:17:02.159 of labels, trying to describe factually, yeah, behavior like what you just 257 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:07.000 said. God has called you to protect a child. And and going further 258 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.279 along that line, you're describing the actions of someone who is courageously doing what 259 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.910 God would have him do. Yeah, and and that you know they can 260 00:17:17.109 --> 00:17:18.869 recognize. Hopefully, well, that's not what I'm doing, I must be 261 00:17:18.950 --> 00:17:22.549 a coward. Maybe they'll come to that conclusion on their own and rather than 262 00:17:22.630 --> 00:17:27.430 having to say for me, having to say you are a murderer or what 263 00:17:27.589 --> 00:17:33.859 you are doing is murder, describe by being what happens to a living human 264 00:17:33.900 --> 00:17:38.539 being without anesthesia during an abortion, it accomplishes the same thing. You're talking 265 00:17:38.579 --> 00:17:42.220 about the dismemberment of a living human being, which is, yeah, you 266 00:17:42.299 --> 00:17:47.609 know, horrific, and and they can come to the conclusion on their own 267 00:17:48.210 --> 00:17:52.170 that that it's murder. I mean, I'm not sure if I've mentioned this 268 00:17:52.369 --> 00:17:57.250 in a past podcast, but talking about the what God has to say about 269 00:17:57.250 --> 00:18:06.000 the baby, and and I was describing the abortion and what happened and what 270 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:11.599 God says about thou. Thou shall not murder, and he never ever consider 271 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.470 thought that a mother should do such terrific things to her child. And he 272 00:18:15.670 --> 00:18:22.710 describes that is the reason why he sent the Israelites against the Canaanite nations, 273 00:18:22.750 --> 00:18:26.670 because they sacrifice their children to the fire. Anyway, the mom I was 274 00:18:26.789 --> 00:18:30.619 talking with it kind of finally just registered to her. Oh my goodness, 275 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:36.940 is what I'm doing. Child abuse was the word she used, but she 276 00:18:37.019 --> 00:18:40.900 hadn't made that connection. But it was just describing what happens in an abortion. 277 00:18:40.940 --> 00:18:44.569 So I think that's kind of a long way of saying when you're talking 278 00:18:44.650 --> 00:18:49.250 about what God has to say about the baby, if you can describe with 279 00:18:49.369 --> 00:18:52.650 that, you don't need to label. You can you can just talk about 280 00:18:52.730 --> 00:18:56.519 what God specifically says. Like ins one hundred and thirty nine, your example, 281 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:03.759 he paints what is clearly a picture of how he loves, knows has 282 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:10.390 a plan and a purpose and is intimately in love with and involved with that 283 00:19:10.509 --> 00:19:15.710 little baby. Then you've just told her just by talking through some one and 284 00:19:15.710 --> 00:19:18.230 thirty nine and some of those verses, you've made it clear what God has 285 00:19:18.309 --> 00:19:23.069 to say about how he feels about that baby. Yeah, and Heaven Scripture 286 00:19:23.109 --> 00:19:29.180 obviously memorized and on your tongue when you're talking about what God says about any 287 00:19:29.180 --> 00:19:32.500 subject, is vital, because how do we know what God says about something? 288 00:19:32.539 --> 00:19:34.500 Yeah, I don't just invent it. Yeah, we get it from 289 00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:38.210 his word. Yeah, right, yeah, and so someone thirty nine, 290 00:19:38.210 --> 00:19:41.529 verses, thirteen and fourteen, year or key, you form my inward parts. 291 00:19:41.569 --> 00:19:45.930 So what does God say? He formed your baby. Yeah, Jeremiah, 292 00:19:45.049 --> 00:19:48.089 when five. I think these are pretty common scriptures that many of you 293 00:19:48.130 --> 00:19:52.369 guys that are Listening Tho. Yeah, but before I formed you, I 294 00:19:52.450 --> 00:19:55.519 knew you. God tells Jeremiah and set you a part as a prophet to 295 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.279 the nation. So what does that tell us? Says God formed him, 296 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:03.039 and God knew him. So the knowledge of God, that the relationship that 297 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:08.390 God even has to a preborn child. Yeah, that's that's what he says 298 00:20:08.430 --> 00:20:12.829 in his word. And so conveying these truth is really important, obviously coming 299 00:20:12.869 --> 00:20:18.029 from a scriptural perspective, and God himself presents to throughout the Bible, both 300 00:20:18.109 --> 00:20:22.380 the positive message, like as in some one and thirty nine, yeah, 301 00:20:22.900 --> 00:20:26.900 and the negative message that's shown a murder, yeah, and that there's a 302 00:20:27.059 --> 00:20:32.700 consequence, a terrible consequence, to murder. So I think God's are model, 303 00:20:32.819 --> 00:20:36.089 Jesus is our model, and so we need, I think we should 304 00:20:36.089 --> 00:20:42.250 be presenting both, both sides of those but but doing it with, like 305 00:20:42.490 --> 00:20:47.730 you said, your focus in I want her to come and talk with me, 306 00:20:47.890 --> 00:20:51.759 right, because that's when I'm really going to be able to share truth 307 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.480 in depth enough that it's going to make a true life change. Yes, 308 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.480 yeah, a true heart change. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I 309 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:02.240 don't I don't dance around the issue. Right, if I'm getting in a 310 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:04.470 one on one conversation, I'm talking to a Dad, I'm not dancing around 311 00:21:04.470 --> 00:21:10.150 the issue and and just suggesting some truths and things like that. I'm getting 312 00:21:10.230 --> 00:21:11.509 right to it. Yeah, but in the key is. I want to 313 00:21:11.509 --> 00:21:15.829 have a one on one conversation with him and in the conversation I'll gage whether 314 00:21:15.829 --> 00:21:18.259 or not he's able to receive certain truths. And you know I'm saying is, 315 00:21:18.259 --> 00:21:21.660 I'm touching on. So if you have a bloody knows at the end 316 00:21:21.700 --> 00:21:23.660 of it. Yeah, because he's punched you out. You know, maybe 317 00:21:23.900 --> 00:21:27.220 you could soften them. Sure, that, sure, but I'm not against 318 00:21:27.460 --> 00:21:30.180 and I've done it. I know you have to. Yeah, calling out 319 00:21:30.259 --> 00:21:36.170 sex outside of marriage is fornication. Say is I'm in a conversation ministering to 320 00:21:36.210 --> 00:21:38.650 a guy. I mean just the other day I was actually in southern California 321 00:21:38.730 --> 00:21:42.490 helping some of our folks missionaries that are being trained up there. Yeah, 322 00:21:42.569 --> 00:21:45.089 and there was a young man that showed up there the plan parenthood, and 323 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.400 I could tell just in conversation. I guess this is something that you learn 324 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.400 as you're in conversations with people. You learn, like they're the cues on 325 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:56.200 their faces and whether or not they're able to receive certain truths, that this 326 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.319 young man comes. Everyone talks to me and he come to be a believer 327 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:03.869 and he said he was coming to Plant parenthood for condoms, and I said 328 00:22:03.869 --> 00:22:06.470 okay, so your wife, you and your wife, are trying not to 329 00:22:06.710 --> 00:22:08.309 get pregnant, and he's like, well, she's not my wife. And 330 00:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.430 I said that because I was assuming that it was not his wife's claiming to 331 00:22:12.470 --> 00:22:15.420 be a Christians. It's so, yeah, so you're fornicator. Like so 332 00:22:15.500 --> 00:22:18.579 you're having sex outside of marriage. It's like really, you think that's that's 333 00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:21.980 right in the side of God. Now again, I didn't just throw it 334 00:22:22.059 --> 00:22:25.059 that that out there is an accusation just kind of out of the blue. 335 00:22:25.099 --> 00:22:29.859 There was all this kind of a context to that conversation. As he shared, 336 00:22:29.859 --> 00:22:32.490 he was a believer. Yeah, I was able to come back with 337 00:22:32.650 --> 00:22:34.609 the word of God. You know, the Bible says that fornicators won't hear 338 00:22:34.650 --> 00:22:38.130 the Kingdom of God. Yeah, if you're a child of God, should 339 00:22:38.130 --> 00:22:41.970 you be involved in that sort of thing? And we actually had a very 340 00:22:41.009 --> 00:22:45.079 at length conversation. Got Him connected with some of our local folks there. 341 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.960 Hopefully he's going to get get things right with the Lord. We'll see him. 342 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.480 Don't know, but he knew. I just share that say I'm not 343 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.720 afraid to get into the the real hard truth, but I do think that 344 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:03.309 that timing is important right right. Yeah, but but Lord of mine, 345 00:23:03.910 --> 00:23:08.710 in that first area, introducing the concept of God, and in sexual purity 346 00:23:08.750 --> 00:23:14.900 issues, in sanctity of life issues, in how he feels about the unborn 347 00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:19.339 issues, when life begins? God's clear. Yeah, absolutely begins at conception, 348 00:23:19.460 --> 00:23:22.019 and he's known that baby and that Jeremiah one hundred and five. I've 349 00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:27.289 I've I've often wondered about that. That first he says, before I formed 350 00:23:27.329 --> 00:23:30.210 you. Well, that some one hundred and thirty nine has. Before I 351 00:23:30.210 --> 00:23:33.930 formed you in the womb, I knew you. Or is that? That's 352 00:23:33.009 --> 00:23:37.410 a that's okay, my one. Okay, so for me, for I 353 00:23:37.569 --> 00:23:40.329 formed you in the womb. So I thought about that a lot, because 354 00:23:40.329 --> 00:23:44.319 what I'll say is God has loved you from the moment of conception. But 355 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.079 has he actually loved us even before? Yeah, that moment of conception. 356 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.839 I'm not. I'm never quite sure how to phrase sure that. I don't 357 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:55.789 think you have to get into breaking down complex theological truths. I mean, 358 00:23:55.789 --> 00:23:59.390 yeah, getting the eternal mind of God and him knowing the end from the 359 00:23:59.430 --> 00:24:03.589 beginning and all of that. That's a conversation for another day possibly, but 360 00:24:03.670 --> 00:24:07.549 right there the m what's implied there is that he formed that baby and he 361 00:24:07.710 --> 00:24:11.700 knows that. Maybe, yeah, not from the earliest woman. Yeah, 362 00:24:11.779 --> 00:24:15.900 from the earliest moment. And and that's key, that all those things are 363 00:24:15.019 --> 00:24:19.420 so important. And there there's many other the Bible is filled with versus that 364 00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:23.970 you can use. Yeah, and I think will labor this point of the 365 00:24:25.089 --> 00:24:27.970 three talking points more than any of the others because it's the foundation, right, 366 00:24:29.170 --> 00:24:33.329 like the humanity of the baby. Who even really cares if there's not 367 00:24:33.369 --> 00:24:37.690 a God? That human being is no different than a dog or anything like 368 00:24:37.769 --> 00:24:41.759 that. And now I know that there's some from whatever persuasion they might be 369 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.240 from, that will say you really shouldn't lead with God, you should talk 370 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.759 about other things. Humanity to the baby in the resources are not mentioning God 371 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.869 at all. I've heard people question Raven not mentioning God at all. Yeah, 372 00:24:52.230 --> 00:24:56.349 and I'm like, well, I could try that, but I promise 373 00:24:56.390 --> 00:24:59.589 you it wouldn't work because I love Jesus and he's in me and to not 374 00:24:59.630 --> 00:25:04.309 talk about God is pretty much an impossibility for me. But to tell me 375 00:25:04.470 --> 00:25:10.579 that I shouldn't lead with God talking about God, or shouldn't mention God because 376 00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:15.339 it might push people's way. First of all, exponentially. That's not true. 377 00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:18.700 Yeah, many of these women are praying for a sign. Man, 378 00:25:18.740 --> 00:25:22.049 these women are asking God, and I'm talking like even up north and out 379 00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:26.730 west, where you think they don't, they don't have any knowledge of God 380 00:25:26.890 --> 00:25:30.250 or anything. They do. Everyone has a knowledge of God, and so 381 00:25:30.769 --> 00:25:36.359 we need to mention the Lord. Now do we need to be again sharing 382 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:41.400 complex theological truths? Not Necessarily, not in your fifteen seconds, running your 383 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.480 fifteen seconds, but even in the one on one conversation is to get more 384 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:49.349 deep. I'm going to be centering the conversation around the fact that they're there 385 00:25:49.430 --> 00:25:52.789 to kill a baby. I'm not going to be getting into all these other 386 00:25:52.910 --> 00:25:55.470 conversations, but a lot of times that can be a distraction. I mean 387 00:25:55.509 --> 00:26:00.349 I've had conversations with men in front of the abortion center about the whole calvinism 388 00:26:00.509 --> 00:26:06.140 debate, calvinment, calvinism and Armanianism, or even the eschatology debate. Well, 389 00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:08.579 there baby is being slaughtered, you know, a hundred feet away. 390 00:26:10.259 --> 00:26:14.539 Might, yeah, I might brush real quick on an issue that I think 391 00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:17.740 might be helpful around that, but I'm going to always bring it back to 392 00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:21.609 their accountability to God what he says about their baby, what he says about 393 00:26:21.609 --> 00:26:25.930 them, all of that. So I say that to say that we do 394 00:26:26.089 --> 00:26:27.970 need to be talking about the Lord, but we need to keep that conversation 395 00:26:29.170 --> 00:26:33.319 centered around what's happening right there. Yeah, that God doesn't approve of what 396 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.839 they're doing there, but he does love their baby, he does have a 397 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:40.160 plan for them and they can trust him. Ultimately, what I want them 398 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:44.000 to do is to trust the Lord. Yeah, just step away from the 399 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:48.670 abortion clinic and take a step toward the Lord. Yeah. So next, 400 00:26:48.069 --> 00:26:52.470 the second talking point, okay, is the humanity of the baby. Right, 401 00:26:52.710 --> 00:26:55.430 we've talked about what God says, what God says about the baby, 402 00:26:55.549 --> 00:26:57.470 what God says about the mother, the situation, the decision to have an 403 00:26:57.470 --> 00:27:02.579 abortion, all of that. But the humanity of the baby is so important 404 00:27:02.779 --> 00:27:07.299 for us to talk about the humanity the baby, to us to really almost 405 00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:15.460 say we give personhood, because God gives personhood, but we express that that 406 00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:21.250 personhood. We remind these women that their mothers, that they have a baby. 407 00:27:21.690 --> 00:27:26.329 Yeah, you know, the personhood thing is interesting because the pro choice 408 00:27:26.730 --> 00:27:30.759 socalled pro choice movement, will try to separate out human being from personhood, 409 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.680 that they're different. But that's a ludicrous separation. You know, a human 410 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:38.799 being is a person and a person is always a human being. They are 411 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.680 they're really the same thing and there's just no denying that. From the moment 412 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.950 of conception that baby has all the human DNA she will she will ever have. 413 00:27:48.470 --> 00:27:53.789 But yet the the purpose of the abortion industry is to make money killing 414 00:27:53.869 --> 00:28:02.059 babies and they are going to do that by helping the mother and society to 415 00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:06.460 not believe that it's a baby. Yeah, for example, today, this 416 00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:10.700 was a new one for me, for why someone should go get an abortion. 417 00:28:11.619 --> 00:28:15.809 We have a new pro abortion person out there who called out to them. 418 00:28:18.529 --> 00:28:22.490 You don't need to put up with mourning sickness, so get rid of 419 00:28:22.569 --> 00:28:26.720 your morning sickness. Go in there, take care of your health, get 420 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.599 rid of your morning sickness. Yeah, not. No mention of of a 421 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:37.759 baby right or or even a pregnancy. There is a symptom that universally we 422 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.190 don't like. It, US women who bear children who have mourning sickness. 423 00:28:41.230 --> 00:28:47.269 I remember it. It's rough. Yeah, but she reduced it, reduced 424 00:28:47.910 --> 00:28:52.190 this holy issue to get rid of mourning sickness. And that's what they do. 425 00:28:52.710 --> 00:28:59.900 Yeah, sure, that's their attempt to sanitize what is really happening in 426 00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:03.460 those horrible places. Yeah, so we have to, but we have to 427 00:29:03.819 --> 00:29:10.650 from the get go expose that. Yeah, absolutely, and the truth God's 428 00:29:10.690 --> 00:29:14.809 true. All Truth is God's truth, one preacher wisely said, and that's 429 00:29:14.930 --> 00:29:19.529 that's true. And so this this theological truth, but also scientific truth. 430 00:29:19.569 --> 00:29:22.849 Yeah, that a baby in the womb is a human being. Yeah, 431 00:29:23.250 --> 00:29:26.880 listen, the science is on our side. Yeah. Yeah, and so 432 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.640 we need to express this truth, we need to focus on this truth, 433 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.960 that it is a baby, is a life. Yeah, and I like 434 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.880 what you said, that the scientific sciences on our side. And I guess 435 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.589 in the first talking point, God is the focused. In the second talking 436 00:29:41.710 --> 00:29:45.549 point, really, the scientific evidence is is the focus for me. No, 437 00:29:45.750 --> 00:29:51.430 feetal development and be able to recite yeah, major milestones, sure, 438 00:29:51.670 --> 00:29:55.619 because that right away puts the light to what the abortion industry is claiming, 439 00:29:55.700 --> 00:29:57.779 that this is a blob of cells. Yeah, not a human being, 440 00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:00.859 right, not a person. Yeah, and it is really just the the 441 00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:04.059 pro choice lie that it's a Blob of tissue, a clump of cells that 442 00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:08.849 many of these women kind of latch onto, even though that whole lie has 443 00:30:08.890 --> 00:30:15.769 been debunked years ago. I mean we can look in none weeks, seven 444 00:30:15.809 --> 00:30:18.450 weeks, six weeks, even as early on an ultraside, even our early 445 00:30:18.529 --> 00:30:22.880 as six weeks, sometimes five weeks, where you can see a baby, 446 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.400 very small, but you can see they're hard. That's beating right. Yeah, 447 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.920 and we have to remind these women that they're carrying a human being in 448 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:32.759 their womb, not a blob of tissue or a clump of cells. And 449 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.430 so, like we talked about in a previous podcast, we talked about information 450 00:30:36.589 --> 00:30:38.430 that's necessary to have, is, like you need to be informed of fetal 451 00:30:38.470 --> 00:30:41.470 development, right, so that you can inform these women of the humanity of 452 00:30:41.470 --> 00:30:48.069 their child. Yeah, we always will focus on the heartbeat and because it's 453 00:30:48.069 --> 00:30:51.019 a tangible thing, because it's something they can see. If they were to 454 00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:52.700 look on the ultrasound, they can see very clearly. Yeah, and it's 455 00:30:52.700 --> 00:30:56.339 an obvious sign of life. Now, I do not believe that life begins 456 00:30:56.380 --> 00:31:00.980 at the first beat of a heart, right. I believe that life begins 457 00:31:00.980 --> 00:31:03.809 at conception, but a heartbeat is one of those tangible things. Yeah, 458 00:31:04.089 --> 00:31:07.210 that really we can all connect with. Some one of the things that I'll 459 00:31:07.210 --> 00:31:11.930 say oftentimes somebody passes out in front of you. The grocery store. What's 460 00:31:11.970 --> 00:31:14.690 one of the first things you're taught to check? Right, their pulse. 461 00:31:14.849 --> 00:31:17.450 Right, they have a pulse, they have a heartbeat, the hardest beating. 462 00:31:18.250 --> 00:31:22.359 Therefore they're alive and there's hope. If they don't have a heartbeat, 463 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.119 then you need to start cpr and chest compressions and all that stuff. Right 464 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.039 now. Their heart back beating? Well, your baby's heart is already been 465 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.230 beating for several weeks and that's kind of the way we'll talk about it. 466 00:31:33.430 --> 00:31:37.710 Sure, and just again reminding them that their babies alive, that their babies 467 00:31:37.710 --> 00:31:40.750 are human being. Yeah, and an important thing for some of you knew 468 00:31:41.470 --> 00:31:44.589 sidebock missionaries, and you may not know this, but if the woman has 469 00:31:44.710 --> 00:31:47.539 missed her period, which is the first tip off to her she's pregnant. 470 00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:52.019 Yeah, so if she has missed her period, that baby's hearts beating. 471 00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:53.819 Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Now I do. 472 00:31:55.180 --> 00:31:59.460 Yeah, but being able to say that comes as a shock to the 473 00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:01.490 women, because some of them will go in and say, well, once 474 00:32:01.529 --> 00:32:07.769 it's heart is beating, I wouldn't kill it. Right, and because that's 475 00:32:07.769 --> 00:32:13.210 how they define humanity. Sure. So again we go back to point number 476 00:32:13.210 --> 00:32:15.200 one. What God has say? No, God defines humanity from the moment 477 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:23.319 of conception, if not before. But science certainly talks about the humanity at 478 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:27.680 the moment of conception. It has all the human DNA. But there's no 479 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.630 denying once there's a heart beating, most people admit yeah, okay, yeah, 480 00:32:31.670 --> 00:32:36.869 maybe it's a very little yeah being yeah, absolutely so being able to 481 00:32:37.230 --> 00:32:39.269 throw that point out. I think it's one of the most important things, 482 00:32:39.470 --> 00:32:44.619 yes, say. And another subject kind of along the lines of the humanity, 483 00:32:44.740 --> 00:32:46.980 the baby, is what we talked about a little bit earlier as motherhood. 484 00:32:47.339 --> 00:32:52.099 And just heaven, speaking in terms of that, you're already a mother. 485 00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:55.299 Yeah, that implies personhood of that child. That implies you've got a 486 00:32:55.420 --> 00:32:59.130 baby, you've got your son or your daughter, and will refer to the 487 00:32:59.170 --> 00:33:01.890 baby in the womb as your son or your daughter rather than just it. 488 00:33:02.569 --> 00:33:07.009 Yeah, she he remember of your family, as I'll say that a lot 489 00:33:07.170 --> 00:33:13.079 is there are some ethnic groups that don't believe that a baby is a baby 490 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:16.440 until they take their first breath, right, and so referring to that baby 491 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:21.240 as a ment. But they're but they're very family oriented. Yeah, and 492 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.000 referring to that baby as a member of your family, because most people recognize 493 00:33:27.190 --> 00:33:30.750 you need to defend members of your family. So using those kind of terms 494 00:33:30.789 --> 00:33:35.990 can sometimes help to personalize it a little bit more. Yeah. Absolutely. 495 00:33:36.069 --> 00:33:39.470 Yeah, so I think we've we've labored that point enough. Yeah, and 496 00:33:39.710 --> 00:33:45.059 just jump into the last of our three main talking points. Yeah, resources 497 00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:51.259 that are available that we've already touched on, having a list of resources, 498 00:33:52.059 --> 00:33:55.529 especially your local pregnancy center, maternity homes, things like that. Yeah, 499 00:33:55.609 --> 00:34:00.490 informer podcast we've talked about all that stuff, and pretty in detail, to 500 00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:05.410 absolutely develop that list in everything. Yeah, and resources. Some of them 501 00:34:05.410 --> 00:34:07.409 can be pretty difficult to find, but for the most part pretty easy to 502 00:34:07.489 --> 00:34:12.679 find these resources. Just use Google, right, that's that's how we do 503 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.639 it. Just find it on Google. Google it. If you're looking for 504 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.239 a maternity home, type in maternity home on Google, local maternity home, 505 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.079 eternity home, and whatever your city is, or different. You know, 506 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:27.349 you can try different words are along the same subject and you can find different 507 00:34:27.389 --> 00:34:30.750 results. But I think one of the most important resources, and I don't 508 00:34:30.909 --> 00:34:36.829 I don't think I know the most important resource, is your pregnancy center, 509 00:34:36.949 --> 00:34:39.739 local pregnancy centers, having a relationship with them so that you can get the 510 00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:45.059 women away from the abortion center and get them to a life affirming pregnancy center, 511 00:34:45.139 --> 00:34:49.940 get them out of the battle zone and get them towards a place that 512 00:34:50.059 --> 00:34:52.530 will show them their baby on the ultrasound for free, and then get them 513 00:34:52.650 --> 00:34:58.690 connected with additional resources. Yeah, and so a scripture that comes to mind 514 00:34:58.769 --> 00:35:02.650 for this is psalm forty six, verse one. God is a refuge and 515 00:35:02.769 --> 00:35:06.730 strength, of very present help in trouble. That speaks of the help, 516 00:35:06.809 --> 00:35:10.679 the provision of God and of course that again introduces God into the equation. 517 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.599 What God says? God says he's made provision for you and for your baby 518 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:21.199 and you can put your trust in him. Yeah, so resources an important 519 00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:22.670 thing. To show them that we're not just out there with words but we 520 00:35:22.750 --> 00:35:27.789 have tangible help is important. And the of course, there are those that 521 00:35:27.949 --> 00:35:31.389 will be out there that will say, are you going to give me money 522 00:35:31.630 --> 00:35:37.659 for the college education? Are you going to give me Fiftyzero dollars so I 523 00:35:37.780 --> 00:35:40.780 can send this kid to college? I actually hear that a lot. So 524 00:35:40.900 --> 00:35:46.219 it is important to think in terms of resources. You are not obligated to 525 00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:51.289 have to offer the next eighteen years of that presence life, but if you 526 00:35:51.409 --> 00:35:55.050 can offer things that will help them, not solve their problem, but help 527 00:35:55.170 --> 00:36:01.570 them in the immediate areas of concern. That goes a long way towards them 528 00:36:01.809 --> 00:36:08.039 knowing you are trustworthy and that you are serving the God who ultimately is where 529 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:13.079 you want them to transfer trust. So that to those people that say that 530 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:19.030 sort of stuff, I will say at times things along the line of we 531 00:36:19.190 --> 00:36:22.389 do have help for whatever you're facing. We do have resources that can help 532 00:36:22.429 --> 00:36:28.030 you, but even if we did not, your baby is still precious in 533 00:36:28.110 --> 00:36:31.389 the eyes of God and Abhorre or is still yeah, yeah, yeah, 534 00:36:31.389 --> 00:36:37.059 there's even we did a whole podcast gear or more ago about a pastor, 535 00:36:37.099 --> 00:36:39.820 Matt Chandler said something about it, where they are telling them not to kill 536 00:36:39.860 --> 00:36:44.500 their baby and yet we don't offer them help. Then we got no business 537 00:36:44.539 --> 00:36:46.250 doing that. I'm paraphrase and it's probably a little little less like that, 538 00:36:46.409 --> 00:36:51.090 but the fact is, and I believe that's incorrect actually, and I agree. 539 00:36:51.170 --> 00:36:52.769 I believe we could stand out there on the sidewalk if I was dirt 540 00:36:52.889 --> 00:36:59.210 poor and had nothing but my voice and said please, don't take the life 541 00:36:59.250 --> 00:37:02.159 of your baby, I would still be perfectly justified in pleading with a mother 542 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:06.800 not to take the life of her baby. I don't need to have resources 543 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:08.360 to meet her needs in order to tell her not to kill her child. 544 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.360 Correct. Yeah, if I do have resources, and thank God we do 545 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.989 in the American church, there are so many resources that are available and so 546 00:37:17.150 --> 00:37:21.190 we can point them toward resources. I can say with confidence there's not a 547 00:37:21.389 --> 00:37:23.469 need that they have that we can't at least point them in the direction of 548 00:37:23.510 --> 00:37:28.150 a resource to meet that need. Right, but even if we came empty 549 00:37:28.230 --> 00:37:30.539 handed, yeah, we could be perfectly justified him. I mean there's just 550 00:37:30.619 --> 00:37:35.860 think about that. In the scenario if you're in Nazi Germany and you're pleading 551 00:37:35.900 --> 00:37:38.260 with Nazis not to kill Jews, if somebody turns around and says, well, 552 00:37:38.260 --> 00:37:40.980 are you going to take all these Jews into your home? That's all. 553 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:45.090 You're right. Maybe I shouldn't talk against extermination of a particular it's a 554 00:37:45.489 --> 00:37:50.530 great bat. That is a great illustration of this point. Yeah, of 555 00:37:50.650 --> 00:37:52.010 course, but I do think it's an important point. That's all. We 556 00:37:52.050 --> 00:37:55.010 have it within our three talking points. Hey, but I don't think it's 557 00:37:55.050 --> 00:38:00.599 the most important point it, although it could be the most appealing point. 558 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.840 Yeah, it's the one that kind of what's the word Grease's this kids. 559 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.880 It kind of it helps them to you've just offered them something tangible that they 560 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.829 really do want, and it helps them to be more willing than to hear 561 00:38:16.030 --> 00:38:20.349 the other things you have to say. Yeah, it's kind of building that 562 00:38:20.429 --> 00:38:22.030 trust. Yeah, absolutely, so that you're able to speak about God, 563 00:38:22.190 --> 00:38:25.670 you're able to have a more extended conversation because they see, oh, I 564 00:38:25.829 --> 00:38:30.539 get something out of this that I really want. Yeah, her need. 565 00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:34.820 Yeah, absolutely, in the Lord, I guess one since can play on 566 00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:39.900 that, that selfishness, and and use that ultimately to bring his truth and 567 00:38:40.570 --> 00:38:44.010 to bring the Gospel into the equation. One of the ways that we do 568 00:38:44.170 --> 00:38:49.250 that is, like we shared some months ago, Cheryl Chandler came and shared 569 00:38:49.250 --> 00:38:52.610 about her ministry, Truth and mercy ministries that does baby showers. Yeah, 570 00:38:52.690 --> 00:38:55.039 she does a baby shower. She's sharing the Gospel. Now, there's not 571 00:38:55.159 --> 00:39:00.039 this requirement that you have to listen to our message or you have to become 572 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:01.599 a Christian to receive our help. No, right, but if we're going 573 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:06.199 to be throwing a baby shower, we're going to be doing your practical things 574 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.119 to meet your needs. We want to be able to share. The reason 575 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:12.590 why we're doing it's because of the Gospel. So that's why we prefer, 576 00:39:12.829 --> 00:39:15.469 if we're going to partner with ministries, if we're going to have a resource 577 00:39:15.590 --> 00:39:19.510 ministry like a maternity home or whatever, that they be Gospel centered, right, 578 00:39:19.590 --> 00:39:22.590 because these women need the Lord. Yeah, and so that's our three 579 00:39:22.630 --> 00:39:25.300 talking points. Yeah, it's thank you. Pretty much wrapped it up for 580 00:39:25.420 --> 00:39:29.420 you guys. Yeah, and hopefully that was an encouragement and a blessing. 581 00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:32.139 This article will be out on our sidewalks for life websites. You can read 582 00:39:32.179 --> 00:39:37.900 through this. If you prefer to read, then certainly we want you to 583 00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:39.570 read that. If you don't know how to read, like me, you 584 00:39:39.650 --> 00:39:45.010 can just listen to this podcast again and again and again and be well equipped 585 00:39:45.050 --> 00:39:50.889 with these three talking points. But I think we always offer our email address 586 00:39:50.929 --> 00:39:52.239 for you guys. So certainly if you want to reach out to us you 587 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:57.679 have suggestions for few future podcast or some input on this podcast episode, we'd 588 00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.360 certainly love to hear it. You can reach me at Daniel at Love Life 589 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.039 Dot Org. You can reach her Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. But 590 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:16.550 until next time, God bless give me love for love, give me our 591 00:40:16.869 --> 00:40:29.900 love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too 592 00:40:30.179 --> 00:40:31.380 precious in some you