Three Main Talking Points

0:01 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord, I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center Prayer Life Podcast, and this episode we're going to continue to do some training and we're going to talk about something very important. Are Three talking points for sidewalk outreach. Stay with us. I felt show passish, touch your heart, use me. Welcome to the Gospel Center prayer life podcast. Appreciate you, guys, listening. Appreciate you guys, sharing this podcast, leaving us an awesome review on this podcast, because we deserve it, because we're great and you know it right.

0:49 So leave us a good review, all right, but don't know it, we will tell you right right, will tell you how great we are. Not We just try to, as best we can, humbly serve the Lord and impart to you guys wisdom, things that we've learned and experiences that we've had. We're trying to train you guys, those who are maybe have already been a part of our sidewalk training, trying to take it a little more in depth. Those who have not been a part of our sidewalk training, we're trying to wet your appetite for being a part of the sidewalk training and really going into depth on some of the different aspects, breaking down some of the different slides, some of the different topics that we cover in our sidewalk training. We can't go into into too much depth when we're doing that training because it's like two hours and I think two hours is about as much as you can you can get in a zoom without people just totally getting worn out. So we kind of thought, let's take those aspects and break them down for those who've been a part of the training, those who have it, to just train further, train deeper so that we can be as effective as possible. That's the goal. We want Jesus to be glorified and he's glorified when we bear fruit. He's glorified when we obey Him, first and foremost, but when we obey him, fruit is born and we want the fruit to be as much and as beautiful as possible. So training helps us to do that. Amen. We're going to get today into what we call we say as we do the training we have what, why and how format.

2:21 So what sidewalk out reach is, why we do sidewalk out reach and how, and often say that the how part is the meat of it. Right, it's where we get into the nitty gritty of how to do this, certain aspects of sidewalk out reach. But I say, if that is the meat of it, if the how is the meat of it, this is like the the really juicy part of the meat. This is like the really important part. And what we're talking about is the three talking points. As we've looked over the years at just kind of the counseling that we do on the sidewalk and how we minister to the Moms and dad's on the sidewalk out the abortion center in the different aspects that we minister to them in really kind of what what is? I looked at it, what really kind of stuck out as there three main talking points, three topics or subjects, main areas, main areas that we speak from right and as we're doing trainings, we try to get this into people's hearts and people's minds at three different aspects, three talking points. So that, because people are worried, what do I say? Yeah, and it's overwhelming. There's so many things you could say. So how do you kind of organize it in an in your mind?

3:34 Yeah, that it's easier for you to when you're out there in the high stress and tension of the sidewalk. You've got these three main areas that you're going to pull from. Yeah. Yeah, and of course there are other things that you can say, you can bring into the conversation, things that maybe you're not necessarily within the framework of these three talking points. But I think for the most part of the things that we've found that are effective to say to an abortion minded mom really found in these three talking points. Right. Yeah, and it's not like we come from a place of just opinion or, you know, something we may be thought might work. This is from experience. This is from fifteen years experience of my part, eight years experience on your part. So combined that's a lot of years experience.

4:21 Twenty three me. I think that is exactly twenty three. That's that was that was a test and you pass. Good job. So math and sidewalk counseling. You're strong suits, won't that? Talented? Yeah, and so again we speak from experience. Yeah, and also from a biblical perspective, and that's why our first talking point is what God says. Right. So the three talking points. Just to let the cot out, of the bag those who haven't been to our training. We even have this on the sidewalks for life website as well. Yeah, I do wrote an article about the three talking points in it. There's a video there about those three talks and this, at hope, will be posted there. I wrote an article to a company just this this podcast. So those three talking points are what God says, the humanity of the baby and the resources available. Right, very simple. So, as you're calling out to a woman going into the abortion center, what are the things that you want to touch on with those three talking points? You want to touch on what God says, the humanity of the baby and the resources that are available. And you're talking to a woman one on one. She stopped, her car, pulled over and she's engaging with you. She's coming to the abortion center, obviously, and you're having a conversation with her. What you want the conversation to will you really the framework of the conversation to be? Well, it's what God says, the humanity of the baby in the resources that are available. It's very simple and it's very simple to a really tall all three of these points in together,

5:51 they're really interwoven into a conversation and even you know, fifteen second pitch, so to stake, as they're walking into the abortion center. Will and all, you have a better word than pitch and pitch or Speel, I don't know. Plea. Yeah, that's fifteen second. Plea yes to that. Woman. See here, you got good with words to not just math. Praise God. Yeah, you're fifteen second and fifteen second plea writ consider around Therese these three talking points. What God says, the humanity of the baby and the resources. And so I'll just give you, guys, an example of what I might say people as a what do you say in fifteen seconds?

6:32 I think I can cover this in less than fifteen seconds. Shack time you maybe you should time. Okay, what are you thinking? I don't have a secondhand. Oh I do. Okay, you ready? Yeah, okay, here we go. Okay, Mama, your baby is precious in the sight of God. He has a plan for you and your child. We have help available for you. Mama, your baby's heart is already beating. Please come over and talk to me. What's that? Wow, nine seconds, nine seconds. So touch them all. Three did you get off those talking points? Absolutely did. Okay, let's let's go through that. So, Mama, you're called the Ramma. Yeah, that's already kind of that's implying humanity. Yeah, yeah, there's if she's not a mom, if there's not a human involved, to be a human in there. Yeah, okay. What is your next thing? You're your baby's hard as already beating us and your baby is precious to the Lord. Are Your baby the where? God says yeah, maybe, and then entering God into the equation, right, your baby is precious God. God says, your baby is precious. Oh, yeah, what God says? Uh Huh. And then we have help available. Please come over and talk to me. So there's the resources. Now you obviously can't get very specific in fifteen seconds. No, the point is to touch on if you can, and we try to train our counselors at at least touch on each one of those areas. And then every time you see that mom, you can expand. Yeah, absolutely, where she comes to talk with you one on one, obviously, then you can expand. Yeah, and one of the resources that I'll call out to. I didn't get to specific in there, but you can get specific.

7:59 Can say we have a free ultrasound right over here. We have a mobiltre saying it right there, or you could say if you have a pregnancy center in your area and you don't have a mobile unit, you can say there's a pregnancy center fifteen minutes away that will give you a free pregnancy test and free ultrasound. Because you had seven more seconds to play with. I had seven. Were against seven, six, up, six, e. There you go with your awesome math. Well, let's let me get an example of you and you're fifteen second please. What would you say? Well, I said, I typically say, Young Lady, your precious child is made in the image of God with a beating heart as early as seventeen days. You can look at that beating hard on our free ultrasound parked on the curb right now. Yeah, so your precious baby is made in the image of God. I want to get right away to a val you statement.

8:46 Yeah, of the baby, and that to me is the most significant value statement. There may be others, but that's the one to me that that really speaks to the value of the baby and why, at its crux, why that child is valuable before God, and it's because that baby is made in God's image. So your pressure baby made in the image of God with a beating heart. So that gets into the baby's development as early as seventeen days. And we have an ultrasound parked right in the curb. Talks about a specific resource that we happen to have here in Charlotte. Yeah, yeah, absolutely soon. And that was about fifteen seconds. You didn't time, I mean I did time in my mind. It was actually twelve and a half seconds. Not Bad. Yeah, okay, have a built in clot of had three more seconds worth of plea. Two and a half. Okay, two and a half right. So, but great job. Okay, thank you. Yeah, ok. Let's break down, then, these three talking points. Okay, let's break down why. Maybe we'll get into some why, but really, in the what? What are we focusing on when we're talking about these three Tagger points? And the first one is what God says? Now, right in that there's actually a lot right, because I'm thinking to my mind as I'm talking about what God says first, what God says about that baby. It's kind of like a voiced in my little please.

10:03 Seven seconds, non second. Plea. Correct. That the value, like you said, the value statement. Your baby is precious in a in the side of all right. So I'm introducing, of course, the humanity of the baby, but also the fact that there's a God that has a plan for that baby. So that's what God has to say about that baby. But also, I want to introduce, and if forget into it, more in depth conversation, I'm introducing what God says about that mother, right, that he loves her and he has a plan for her. Or, you know, I could go in that direction. I can go in the direction. Also, God says that he sees what she's doing. That's what God has to say. Now call her to account. Yeah, exactly, that she's accountable to God. That's what God has to say, right.

10:45 Yeah, and what God has to say about the sanctity of life all together. And he does the six commandment that shine not murder. So that becomes the more hard hitting yes, ch yeah, and I can introduce the idea that abortion is murder. Now I typically don't, well, typically I never lead with don't go in there and murder your baby, because I do think it's a nonstarter for a conversation. It's like, don't go in there and violently murder your baby. Please come over and talk to me typically doesn't make me very approached, because I want them. I don't want to just deliver information right. I want to get them to come over and talk to me so I can help break down the information that I want to deliver. Yeah, so in my fifteen second, ten fifteen second appeal or plea, I want to provoke them to come over and talk, not just deliver information.

11:33 But if they don't come over and talk, I want to make sure the information is sufficient to plant those seeds of truth right. And so I'll we'll talk about abortion being murder. Typically, in my mind I'm thinking when they get out of their car, it's a plea of you know, your baby is precious in the side of the Lord. God has a good plan for you. By the time they get to the door, that's when I might actually get a little more tough with it. I might say, you know, don't go in there and take the life of your innocent child. In that I'm implying what God says in his word, the sixth command you should not murder. And I might even say I'm certainly not against saying abortion is murder, but I do think we need to be careful in the way that when we're calling out that we're not calling out in such a way that we're just an accuser, right, well, just accusing them, yeah, of being a murderer, I think, and I could be wrong, listen, I've been wrong one time before, so I could be wrong in this and I'm willing to be corrected. But I do think that throwing around the term murderer is can be a little heavy hitting and not very maybe I'm being a Pansy, but maybe not very inviting, because I do want them to become over and talk to me. I don't want to shut the conversation down.

12:41 And here's one thing. I've learned it. I know you've learned it as well, because there are something like, once they go on that door, they're done for. There's there's no there's no hope for them, there's no way they're coming back out, and so I want to him as hard as I can. The reality is, though, about half of the MOMS that we've seen choose life have chosen life after they go in. If you look at kind of the flow of things at an abortion center, and I've read reviews from abortion centers all over the country, so I know this to be true, that once they check in, they're still about two or three hours before they're actually going to have the abortion. Now, why they do it like that, I have no clue, but it's a common theme. Yeah, I think they want everybody in there with all of the pre things that need to be done done so that when the abortionist arrives, his or her time is used as efficiently as possible. Everything's already done. All he has to do is, I've heard, he just wheels from he's on a wheel, that wheeling chair, and just wheels from one little cubicups to the next, just performing abortion following an abortion, because the women are all prepped, everything's done and right. Yeah, I don't know if that's true, but it makes sense that that. That's I've heard that that as well. Yeah, abortion procedure takes like five minutes, right, and they can an abortion meal, they can produce abortions really quick right. The point is is that you've got time to engage with them and just because they've come in and checked in for their appointment. I think if we shut the conversation down before it even starts by coming across too heavy hitting, then we shut down potential conversations.

14:09 That could happen, you know, an hour after they've already been there two hours, or even after they've had the abortion. I still want to have a conversation with him, or after they've taken the abortion pill. I still want to be able to have that one on one conversation. So if I hit too hard on abortion is murder and against that's that's what God says. God says abortion is murder. I'm not afraid to say that, but I am careful in my language. Yeah, and so I don't typically actually use the word murder. I might use the word don't take the life of your innocent baby. And so, yeah, I'm applying innocence. I'm applying an action that they're doing, because I think abortion is murder could almost be in these modern times, like a cliche sort of thing. It doesn't really connect. I could be wrong about that, I don't know. What do you think? Yeah, now I totally agree with you. I think that as the day progresses, the more times we see them, they're going to be in and out, many of them. I don't know if this is true at all facilities, but it's sure is true here. They're in and out a lot, going back and forth to their car. We're going to have many opportunities usually to speak to them and we can also speak over the microphone, which we know they can hear US inside the building. So as the day progresses, I probably do become a little bit more heavy hitting.

15:24 Yeah, but I do try to always keep in mind I want them to come talk to me, even if they have already had the abortions, that we can give healing resources so that if it's the pill, we can encourage them to do the abortion who reversal. So yeah, I think that if you can speak the truth, but speak it factually but in love and as much as possible gently, they're more likely to want to reach out to you. Yeah, and and to come no matter what has happened. Yeah, so that's yeah, that's not to say it all that we hold back on the reality that abortion is murder, that we don't say that. I mean, ultimately we've got to be led by the Holy Spirit. Yeah, and there can be sometimes where it's appropriate just to say, and God will use it, abortion is murder. Don't go in there and murder your child.

16:18 Yeah, discounting that even seed situations where this is kind of a little off topic, in this. But it is what God says. When I've seen men addressed and being called out as being a coward, like you need to stand up for your baby, God says that you're a guardian, your protective of your family. You're not doing that's kind of heavy hitting, but I've seeing God use that to say babies. Yeah, and so certainly again, not against that. Yeah, I do think we need to be prayerful and thoughtful in the way that we don't careful. I instead of labeling in general, and I'm not always good at this because it is harder, but instead of labels, trying to describe factually, yeah, behavior like what you just said. God has called you to protect a child. And and going further along that line, you're describing the actions of someone who is courageously doing what God would have him do. Yeah, and and that you know they can recognize. Hopefully, well, that's not what I'm doing, I must be a coward. Maybe they'll come to that conclusion on their own and rather than having to say for me, having to say you are a murderer or what you are doing is murder, describe by being what happens to a living human being without anesthesia during an abortion, it accomplishes the same thing. You're talking about the dismemberment of a living human being, which is, yeah, you know, horrific, and and they can come to the conclusion on their own

17:48 that that it's murder. I mean, I'm not sure if I've mentioned this in a past podcast, but talking about the what God has to say about the baby, and and I was describing the abortion and what happened and what God says about thou. Thou shall not murder, and he never ever consider thought that a mother should do such terrific things to her child. And he describes that is the reason why he sent the Israelites against the Canaanite nations, because they sacrifice their children to the fire. Anyway, the mom I was talking with it kind of finally just registered to her. Oh my goodness, is what I'm doing. Child abuse was the word she used, but she hadn't made that connection. But it was just describing what happens in an abortion.

18:40 So I think that's kind of a long way of saying when you're talking about what God has to say about the baby, if you can describe with that, you don't need to label. You can you can just talk about what God specifically says. Like ins one hundred and thirty nine, your example, he paints what is clearly a picture of how he loves, knows has a plan and a purpose and is intimately in love with and involved with that little baby. Then you've just told her just by talking through some one and thirty nine and some of those verses, you've made it clear what God has to say about how he feels about that baby. Yeah, and Heaven Scripture obviously memorized and on your tongue when you're talking about what God says about any subject, is vital, because how do we know what God says about something?

19:32 Yeah, I don't just invent it. Yeah, we get it from his word. Yeah, right, yeah, and so someone thirty nine, verses, thirteen and fourteen, year or key, you form my inward parts. So what does God say? He formed your baby. Yeah, Jeremiah, when five. I think these are pretty common scriptures that many of you guys that are Listening Tho. Yeah, but before I formed you, I knew you. God tells Jeremiah and set you a part as a prophet to the nation. So what does that tell us? Says God formed him, and God knew him. So the knowledge of God, that the relationship that God even has to a preborn child. Yeah, that's that's what he says in his word. And so conveying these truth is really important, obviously coming from a scriptural perspective, and God himself presents to throughout the Bible, both the positive message, like as in some one and thirty nine, yeah, and the negative message that's shown a murder, yeah, and that there's a consequence, a terrible consequence, to murder. So I think God's are model, Jesus is our model, and so we need, I think we should be presenting both, both sides of those but but doing it with, like you said, your focus in I want her to come and talk with me, right, because that's when I'm really going to be able to share truth in depth enough that it's going to make a true life change. Yes, yeah, a true heart change. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I don't I don't dance around the issue. Right, if I'm getting in a one on one conversation, I'm talking to a Dad, I'm not dancing around

21:04 the issue and and just suggesting some truths and things like that. I'm getting right to it. Yeah, but in the key is. I want to have a one on one conversation with him and in the conversation I'll gage whether or not he's able to receive certain truths. And you know I'm saying is, I'm touching on. So if you have a bloody knows at the end of it. Yeah, because he's punched you out. You know, maybe you could soften them. Sure, that, sure, but I'm not against and I've done it. I know you have to. Yeah, calling out sex outside of marriage is fornication. Say is I'm in a conversation ministering to a guy. I mean just the other day I was actually in southern California helping some of our folks missionaries that are being trained up there. Yeah, and there was a young man that showed up there the plan parenthood, and I could tell just in conversation. I guess this is something that you learn as you're in conversations with people. You learn, like they're the cues on their faces and whether or not they're able to receive certain truths, that this young man comes. Everyone talks to me and he come to be a believer and he said he was coming to Plant parenthood for condoms, and I said okay, so your wife, you and your wife, are trying not to get pregnant, and he's like, well, she's not my wife. And I said that because I was assuming that it was not his wife's claiming to be a Christians. It's so, yeah, so you're fornicator. Like so you're having sex outside of marriage. It's like really, you think that's that's right in the side of God. Now again, I didn't just throw it that that out there is an accusation just kind of out of the blue.

22:25 There was all this kind of a context to that conversation. As he shared, he was a believer. Yeah, I was able to come back with the word of God. You know, the Bible says that fornicators won't hear the Kingdom of God. Yeah, if you're a child of God, should you be involved in that sort of thing? And we actually had a very at length conversation. Got Him connected with some of our local folks there. Hopefully he's going to get get things right with the Lord. We'll see him. Don't know, but he knew. I just share that say I'm not afraid to get into the the real hard truth, but I do think that that timing is important right right. Yeah, but but Lord of mine, in that first area, introducing the concept of God, and in sexual purity issues, in sanctity of life issues, in how he feels about the unborn issues, when life begins? God's clear. Yeah, absolutely begins at conception, and he's known that baby and that Jeremiah one hundred and five. I've I've I've often wondered about that. That first he says, before I formed you. Well, that some one hundred and thirty nine has. Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Or is that? That's a that's okay, my one. Okay, so for me, for I formed you in the womb. So I thought about that a lot, because what I'll say is God has loved you from the moment of conception. But has he actually loved us even before? Yeah, that moment of conception.

23:48 I'm not. I'm never quite sure how to phrase sure that. I don't think you have to get into breaking down complex theological truths. I mean, yeah, getting the eternal mind of God and him knowing the end from the beginning and all of that. That's a conversation for another day possibly, but right there the m what's implied there is that he formed that baby and he knows that. Maybe, yeah, not from the earliest woman. Yeah, from the earliest moment. And and that's key, that all those things are so important. And there there's many other the Bible is filled with versus that you can use. Yeah, and I think will labor this point of the three talking points more than any of the others because it's the foundation, right, like the humanity of the baby. Who even really cares if there's not a God? That human being is no different than a dog or anything like that. And now I know that there's some from whatever persuasion they might be from, that will say you really shouldn't lead with God, you should talk about other things. Humanity to the baby in the resources are not mentioning God at all. I've heard people question Raven not mentioning God at all. Yeah, and I'm like, well, I could try that, but I promise you it wouldn't work because I love Jesus and he's in me and to not talk about God is pretty much an impossibility for me. But to tell me that I shouldn't lead with God talking about God, or shouldn't mention God because it might push people's way. First of all, exponentially. That's not true.

25:15 Yeah, many of these women are praying for a sign. Man, these women are asking God, and I'm talking like even up north and out west, where you think they don't, they don't have any knowledge of God or anything. They do. Everyone has a knowledge of God, and so we need to mention the Lord. Now do we need to be again sharing complex theological truths? Not Necessarily, not in your fifteen seconds, running your fifteen seconds, but even in the one on one conversation is to get more deep. I'm going to be centering the conversation around the fact that they're there to kill a baby. I'm not going to be getting into all these other conversations, but a lot of times that can be a distraction. I mean I've had conversations with men in front of the abortion center about the whole calvinism debate, calvinment, calvinism and Armanianism, or even the eschatology debate. Well, there baby is being slaughtered, you know, a hundred feet away.

26:10 Might, yeah, I might brush real quick on an issue that I think might be helpful around that, but I'm going to always bring it back to their accountability to God what he says about their baby, what he says about them, all of that. So I say that to say that we do need to be talking about the Lord, but we need to keep that conversation centered around what's happening right there. Yeah, that God doesn't approve of what they're doing there, but he does love their baby, he does have a plan for them and they can trust him. Ultimately, what I want them to do is to trust the Lord. Yeah, just step away from the abortion clinic and take a step toward the Lord. Yeah. So next, the second talking point, okay, is the humanity of the baby. Right, we've talked about what God says, what God says about the baby, what God says about the mother, the situation, the decision to have an abortion, all of that. But the humanity of the baby is so important for us to talk about the humanity the baby, to us to really almost say we give personhood, because God gives personhood, but we express that that personhood. We remind these women that their mothers, that they have a baby.

27:21 Yeah, you know, the personhood thing is interesting because the pro choice socalled pro choice movement, will try to separate out human being from personhood, that they're different. But that's a ludicrous separation. You know, a human being is a person and a person is always a human being. They are they're really the same thing and there's just no denying that. From the moment of conception that baby has all the human DNA she will she will ever have. But yet the the purpose of the abortion industry is to make money killing babies and they are going to do that by helping the mother and society to not believe that it's a baby. Yeah, for example, today, this was a new one for me, for why someone should go get an abortion.

28:11 We have a new pro abortion person out there who called out to them. You don't need to put up with mourning sickness, so get rid of your morning sickness. Go in there, take care of your health, get rid of your morning sickness. Yeah, not. No mention of of a baby right or or even a pregnancy. There is a symptom that universally we don't like. It, US women who bear children who have mourning sickness. I remember it. It's rough. Yeah, but she reduced it, reduced this holy issue to get rid of mourning sickness. And that's what they do.

28:52 Yeah, sure, that's their attempt to sanitize what is really happening in those horrible places. Yeah, so we have to, but we have to from the get go expose that. Yeah, absolutely, and the truth God's true. All Truth is God's truth, one preacher wisely said, and that's that's true. And so this this theological truth, but also scientific truth. Yeah, that a baby in the womb is a human being. Yeah, listen, the science is on our side. Yeah. Yeah, and so we need to express this truth, we need to focus on this truth, that it is a baby, is a life. Yeah, and I like what you said, that the scientific sciences on our side. And I guess in the first talking point, God is the focused. In the second talking point, really, the scientific evidence is is the focus for me. No, feetal development and be able to recite yeah, major milestones, sure, because that right away puts the light to what the abortion industry is claiming, that this is a blob of cells. Yeah, not a human being, right, not a person. Yeah, and it is really just the the pro choice lie that it's a Blob of tissue, a clump of cells that many of these women kind of latch onto, even though that whole lie has been debunked years ago. I mean we can look in none weeks, seven weeks, six weeks, even as early on an ultraside, even our early as six weeks, sometimes five weeks, where you can see a baby, very small, but you can see they're hard. That's beating right. Yeah,

30:26 and we have to remind these women that they're carrying a human being in their womb, not a blob of tissue or a clump of cells. And so, like we talked about in a previous podcast, we talked about information that's necessary to have, is, like you need to be informed of fetal development, right, so that you can inform these women of the humanity of their child. Yeah, we always will focus on the heartbeat and because it's a tangible thing, because it's something they can see. If they were to look on the ultrasound, they can see very clearly. Yeah, and it's an obvious sign of life. Now, I do not believe that life begins at the first beat of a heart, right. I believe that life begins at conception, but a heartbeat is one of those tangible things. Yeah, that really we can all connect with. Some one of the things that I'll say oftentimes somebody passes out in front of you. The grocery store. What's one of the first things you're taught to check? Right, their pulse.

31:14 Right, they have a pulse, they have a heartbeat, the hardest beating. Therefore they're alive and there's hope. If they don't have a heartbeat, then you need to start cpr and chest compressions and all that stuff. Right now. Their heart back beating? Well, your baby's heart is already been beating for several weeks and that's kind of the way we'll talk about it. Sure, and just again reminding them that their babies alive, that their babies are human being. Yeah, and an important thing for some of you knew sidebock missionaries, and you may not know this, but if the woman has missed her period, which is the first tip off to her she's pregnant. Yeah, so if she has missed her period, that baby's hearts beating. Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Now I do.

31:55 Yeah, but being able to say that comes as a shock to the women, because some of them will go in and say, well, once it's heart is beating, I wouldn't kill it. Right, and because that's how they define humanity. Sure. So again we go back to point number one. What God has say? No, God defines humanity from the moment of conception, if not before. But science certainly talks about the humanity at the moment of conception. It has all the human DNA. But there's no denying once there's a heart beating, most people admit yeah, okay, yeah, maybe it's a very little yeah being yeah, absolutely so being able to throw that point out. I think it's one of the most important things, yes, say. And another subject kind of along the lines of the humanity, the baby, is what we talked about a little bit earlier as motherhood.

32:47 And just heaven, speaking in terms of that, you're already a mother. Yeah, that implies personhood of that child. That implies you've got a baby, you've got your son or your daughter, and will refer to the baby in the womb as your son or your daughter rather than just it. Yeah, she he remember of your family, as I'll say that a lot is there are some ethnic groups that don't believe that a baby is a baby until they take their first breath, right, and so referring to that baby as a ment. But they're but they're very family oriented. Yeah, and referring to that baby as a member of your family, because most people recognize you need to defend members of your family. So using those kind of terms can sometimes help to personalize it a little bit more. Yeah. Absolutely.

33:36 Yeah, so I think we've we've labored that point enough. Yeah, and just jump into the last of our three main talking points. Yeah, resources that are available that we've already touched on, having a list of resources, especially your local pregnancy center, maternity homes, things like that. Yeah, informer podcast we've talked about all that stuff, and pretty in detail, to absolutely develop that list in everything. Yeah, and resources. Some of them can be pretty difficult to find, but for the most part pretty easy to find these resources. Just use Google, right, that's that's how we do it. Just find it on Google. Google it. If you're looking for a maternity home, type in maternity home on Google, local maternity home, eternity home, and whatever your city is, or different. You know, you can try different words are along the same subject and you can find different results. But I think one of the most important resources, and I don't I don't think I know the most important resource, is your pregnancy center, local pregnancy centers, having a relationship with them so that you can get the women away from the abortion center and get them to a life affirming pregnancy center, get them out of the battle zone and get them towards a place that will show them their baby on the ultrasound for free, and then get them connected with additional resources. Yeah, and so a scripture that comes to mind for this is psalm forty six, verse one. God is a refuge and strength, of very present help in trouble. That speaks of the help,

35:06 the provision of God and of course that again introduces God into the equation. What God says? God says he's made provision for you and for your baby and you can put your trust in him. Yeah, so resources an important thing. To show them that we're not just out there with words but we have tangible help is important. And the of course, there are those that will be out there that will say, are you going to give me money for the college education? Are you going to give me Fiftyzero dollars so I can send this kid to college? I actually hear that a lot. So it is important to think in terms of resources. You are not obligated to have to offer the next eighteen years of that presence life, but if you can offer things that will help them, not solve their problem, but help them in the immediate areas of concern. That goes a long way towards them knowing you are trustworthy and that you are serving the God who ultimately is where you want them to transfer trust. So that to those people that say that sort of stuff, I will say at times things along the line of we do have help for whatever you're facing. We do have resources that can help you, but even if we did not, your baby is still precious in the eyes of God and Abhorre or is still yeah, yeah, yeah, there's even we did a whole podcast gear or more ago about a pastor,

36:37 Matt Chandler said something about it, where they are telling them not to kill their baby and yet we don't offer them help. Then we got no business doing that. I'm paraphrase and it's probably a little little less like that, but the fact is, and I believe that's incorrect actually, and I agree. I believe we could stand out there on the sidewalk if I was dirt poor and had nothing but my voice and said please, don't take the life of your baby, I would still be perfectly justified in pleading with a mother not to take the life of her baby. I don't need to have resources to meet her needs in order to tell her not to kill her child. Correct. Yeah, if I do have resources, and thank God we do in the American church, there are so many resources that are available and so we can point them toward resources. I can say with confidence there's not a need that they have that we can't at least point them in the direction of a resource to meet that need. Right, but even if we came empty handed, yeah, we could be perfectly justified him. I mean there's just think about that. In the scenario if you're in Nazi Germany and you're pleading with Nazis not to kill Jews, if somebody turns around and says, well, are you going to take all these Jews into your home? That's all.

37:42 You're right. Maybe I shouldn't talk against extermination of a particular it's a great bat. That is a great illustration of this point. Yeah, of course, but I do think it's an important point. That's all. We have it within our three talking points. Hey, but I don't think it's the most important point it, although it could be the most appealing point. Yeah, it's the one that kind of what's the word Grease's this kids. It kind of it helps them to you've just offered them something tangible that they really do want, and it helps them to be more willing than to hear the other things you have to say. Yeah, it's kind of building that trust. Yeah, absolutely, so that you're able to speak about God, you're able to have a more extended conversation because they see, oh, I get something out of this that I really want. Yeah, her need.

38:30 Yeah, absolutely, in the Lord, I guess one since can play on that, that selfishness, and and use that ultimately to bring his truth and to bring the Gospel into the equation. One of the ways that we do that is, like we shared some months ago, Cheryl Chandler came and shared about her ministry, Truth and mercy ministries that does baby showers. Yeah, she does a baby shower. She's sharing the Gospel. Now, there's not this requirement that you have to listen to our message or you have to become a Christian to receive our help. No, right, but if we're going to be throwing a baby shower, we're going to be doing your practical things to meet your needs. We want to be able to share. The reason why we're doing it's because of the Gospel. So that's why we prefer, if we're going to partner with ministries, if we're going to have a resource ministry like a maternity home or whatever, that they be Gospel centered, right, because these women need the Lord. Yeah, and so that's our three talking points. Yeah, it's thank you. Pretty much wrapped it up for you guys. Yeah, and hopefully that was an encouragement and a blessing.

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