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That sounds like something I wanted to
do. Sign me up. So probably
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we're going to lose some volunteers over
making this point, but the best counselors
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are the ones that just say,
no matter what, three of the most
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scary words on earth. Yeah,
I will do it, no matter what.
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I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me
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Lord, I am yours, I
am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel
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Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast
designed to equip, encourage and challenge you
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in pro life ministry, and always
with a focus on the Gospel. Stay
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tuned. I felt show passish touchs
your home. Use Me. Hey there
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everyone, welcome to the Gospel centered
pro life podcast. I'm Vicky Kazier and
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I'm here with Daniel Parks. We're
here in Charlotte and we are and we
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try to equip and encourage people interested
or currently doing sidewalk outreach. Like many
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of the podcasts we've done in the
past. We've been doing this about two
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years, I guess, maybe a
little longer now, and like many of
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these these podcast are they they come
out of real life situations that we faced
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or questions that people working on the
sidewalk have asked. This one came out
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of a little bit of a different
source, but I it is being applied
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to sidewalk counseling. But it was
from a podcast I listened to on leadership.
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Yeah, and it was I don't
remember the woman's lame name, but
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someone that was interviewed and asked about
some of her things that she's learned as
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she became a billionaire. Yeah,
when she sold a small business that she
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started that grew into a huge business
and she sold it to Lori l I
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think, for a billion dollars.
So this episode is going to help encourage
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you guys to be billionaires. So
how I wish so. That definitely means
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that you guys need to share this
podcast with people and you need to leave
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us a review. We often beg
you guys to do leave us a review.
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But with this episode, as with
some of our others, we're going
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to be talking more kind of in
a philosophical realm, I guess, and
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some of our podcast episodes were speaking
more in the practical realm, like how
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to do certain things. This is
more behind the scenes, more of like
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our mentality, things like that,
and the title of this episode's The things
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that no one sees that lead to
what everyone wants. So, in her
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case, everyone wants to be a
billionaire, right, yeah, and I'm
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sure you guys are listening want to
be billionaires as well. But unfortunately,
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allowed to you earlier, we are
not going to teach how to be billionaires.
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We but if we could, we
would, if we could. But
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what we do know is we do
know how to effectively reach out out abortion
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centers and see baby saved. Right, we've seen baby saved over the years.
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We've seen, I mean at this
point, thousands, maybe five or
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six thousand babies that have been saved, yeah, through what was previously cities
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for life and then now love life. And that's what everyone wants in this
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ministry, Right. We want to
see baby saved, we want to see
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souls saved, want to see people
come into God's family, we want to
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see abortion workers quit. We want
to see an impact. You want to
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see fruit, visible fruit that comes
as a result of our activities at the
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abortion centers. Right, that's correct, and what correct? Yes, but
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there are things that no one sees
behind the scenes, things going on in
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our own lives, sacrifices that we
make, that that lead to those results.
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Right, and those those things are
again the things that no one sees
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but there are necessary in order to
get the results that you want. That's
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correct. That's a great summary of
what this is about, and I will
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say that the things no one sees
are usually not easy. Yeah, they're
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used. They almost always involve immense
personal sacrifice. Yeah, so we wanted
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to go through some of that.
On the sidewalk again, you said it's
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those tangent results everybody wants, and
we also see that people quit very quickly
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if they don't see those tangible results
that they think show success. That would
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be baby saved, workers quitting,
whatever salvations. So I wanted to talk
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about this, about about the things
that are going on prior to becoming a
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and I'm putting this in air quotes, successful sidewalk counselor what's going on and
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what has led to that? Yeah, because in many cases it's not what
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you would think. Right now,
I do want to say something that we've
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said often. I'm going to echo
that in this episode, that the victory
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is in obedience and every scenario is
different, like what we have going on
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here at the latrobe abortion center is
quite a bit different than what goes on
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at the window of abortion center three
miles down the road or less, right,
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and that's quite a bit different than
what happens at the plan parenthood that's,
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you know, five or six miles
down the road. So scenarios are
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different and some scenarios lend themselves more
interactions and things like that. But also
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want to say that this is this, this has to do with the motive
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and the attitudes of our hearts,
because the victory is in obedience, not
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with the interactions that we have,
not with the babies that are saved,
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and we glory in that and that's
visible fruit that God graciously lets us see.
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But we do have to come with
the mentality, and we talked about
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this some months ago in another episode. We talked about the motive for what
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we do. We have to come
with the right motive, and the right
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motive is not glory to me.
Look at me saving babies right. That's
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not the right motive. The right
motive is not it's fun to go out
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and interact with these people like it
can be joyful and praise God that we
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get to see a baby saving all
that stuff, but our motive, first
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and foremost has to be that we
want to glorify Jesus, that we're out
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there in obedience to him, and
when we do that, that's where the
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victory is. Right, Jesus was
victorious in his apparent defeat. Right on
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the cross. Jesus won the victory
on a behalf of all of those who
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put their trust in him. It's
amazing. Right, Jesus wins this eternal
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victory on the cross and, of
course, through his resurrection. But it
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looked like a defeat. Why was
that a victory? It's because it was
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obedience to the father. That's why
that was victory. It was obedience.
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So the victory is in obedience.
When you step out on that sidewalk,
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in obedience to God, you are
victorious. Right, even if you don't
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see Babysave, that's right. But
that out there, that to and in
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fact it's the last point what you
just said that actually didn't write in the
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article, which is reframe the meaning
of success. Yeah, that's a a
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big part of being a success is
redefine what success means when you're at on
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the side book, but you said
that really well. But the so the
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first thing that's going on that leads
to the victory you want. Yeah,
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specific commitment. Yeah, be there. Be there and don't just say I'll
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show up when I feel like it, because you'll feel like it maybe once
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a year, maybe not even that. Yeah, so be have a specific
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day time and honor it. Yeah, there are some sidewalk counsels that I
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work with the I would say,
you know, the best ones. They
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will even schedule vacation time around their
sidewalk commitment, right, because they recognize
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just what you said. It's for
God, it's an obedience to God,
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and therefore they will do whatever it
takes to show up there. And the
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victory in thinking about redefining victory and
success that the victory is showing up when
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you said you would show up.
Yeah, yeah, life happens, stuff
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happens. Yeah, a lot of
our volunteers are either stay at home moms
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or you have other things going on
in their lives. We understand all of
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that. Yeah, but this point
is very important. Bible says each man
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will proclaim his own goodness, but
a faithful man who can find faithfulness means
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a lot to the Lord. And
faithfulness is doing what you said you would
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do, whether you feel like it. Or Not right, and this is
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what I would encourage. I've had
brand new people, I know you have
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to Vicki brand new people that come
out to shadow and they're excited about this
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ministry and they're like, well,
I want to come out here everyday,
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I'm going to come out here every
day next week and we say hold on
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a second. That's appreciate the zeal, appreciate the desire, but I would
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much prefer that you pick one day
to come out for three to four hours
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and be faithful in that one day
for six months or for a year or
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for some of our our counselors five, you know, six, seven,
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eight years. They've been out here
on a regular basis, right on that
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same day, consistent. I'd rather
see that then you come out for five
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days for the next two weeks and
then you just burn out and you find
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out it's not maybe what you thought
it would be. Right. It's better
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for you, and this is for
you guys who are leading sidewalk ministries,
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but also if you guys that are
volunteering, it's better for you as a
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volunteer to put one day on your
calendar, to be faithful to that day
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and maybe build around that day.
Maybe you can come other days, but
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you really need to have one day
on your calendar that you're committed to come
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and come consistently, barring some other
thing that absolutely you have to go to.
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And then again, build a maybe, maybe commit to Monday and in
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the Lord leads and you come out
on Wednesday. But you don't want to
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forsake that what you've committed to at
the you know, don't want to do
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extra things and forsake that commitment because
you want to be faithful on that particular
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day. Yeah, but consistently and
and like I would say, every single
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one of the main points that we're
going to go over, not only will
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help you to become the best sidewalk
counselor that you can be, but the
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best person that you can be.
If we honor commitments in every area of
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life, we will definitely be honoring
God. Yeah, more consistently in every
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area of life. Commitment is a
big deal. It's very important. Yeah,
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I know in our kind of modern
American mindset, even the kind of
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the church hopping mindset, you see
that with people that church hop right,
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they won't commit to one specific church. They go from this Church of that
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Church of that church. And why
do they do that? Well, a
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lot of times because they don't want
to submit to authority. They want to
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kind of do their own thing and
people will spiritualize it. I have had
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people do this in sidewalk ministry when
you try to pin them down, will
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you volunteer on a particular day so
I know that I can, I can
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rely on you to be there that
day. That's I want to be led
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by the Holy Spirit. Your spiritualizing
really carnality. You just don't want to
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submit to leadership and you God ordained
direction. Yeah, and yeah, don't
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do that. God doesn't do that. Honor that, don't do that.
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I've started coming, I guess,
because I'm getting old at this. I've
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done this for a long time.
or I will just outright say if you
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can't make a specific commitment, it
really doesn't help us. Yeah, I've
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been really honest about that, because
it doesn't. If I can look at
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the calendar and not know that we
have enough people, I have to still
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scramble and get enough people and if
they show up then anyway, well,
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Gosh, we're grateful to have you, but I still had to do double
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the work. Right. So,
honor your commitments species and make a specific
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commitment. Yeah, the second one
daily sacrificial preparation. And one of the
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points made in this podcast that,
of course, I liked because I already
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do this, is every great leader
and every high achiever seems to have a
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common theme that there's someone who gets
up early. Yeah, now, not
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that getting up early in and of
itself is is a wonderful thing, but
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what that shows is, and this
is why I do it, when I
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get up early, I've got all
this quiet time. I've made a commitment
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to give this quiet focus time to
preparing for what's going to happen on the
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sidewalk. It's when I do my
Bible study it, it's when I do
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prayer time, it's when I walk
the dog, but during that during that
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quiet dark time, it's when I'm
able to really think about all the things
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that might happen on the sidewalk and
mentally and emotionally and spiritually be prepared for
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them. And according to this podcast, people who are highly successful high achievers
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in their field seem to have this
common thread in their life. Yeah,
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so it shows a willingness to sacrifice, but it shows an understanding of intentional
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preparation. Yeah, and as a
part of that, you you really change
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your whole life because you have to
back Chanean. And what I mean by
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that is it for me to get
up at five every morning, I need
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to be in bed latest by nine. Yeah, or I'm going to be
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exhausted the next day. Right.
So that affects how I conduct myself at
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night. What's going to happen at
night when I get to bed? My
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whole life becomes affected by that choice. Yeah, and for me, honestly,
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to be honest, it's not much
of a sacrifice because I like getting
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up early. For some people this
would be an enormous sacrifice. But it
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again, it goes back to that
commitment. Yeah, are you committed to
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doing what it takes in order to
be excellent in whatever field? But we're
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talking about sidewalk counseling. Well,
if you want to be an excellent sidewalk
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counselor, then you really need to
be in the word and you really need
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to have targeted time in the word, targeted time and prayer and and time
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when you're really focusing on working through
what's going to happen out there. Yeah,
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so I'll translate with Vicki saying into
if you want to be as good
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as Vicky, then you have to
get up at five o'clock in the morning
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or earlier, or earlier. Right
now, sometimes I get up at a
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quarter of five. Yeah, yeah, the obviously that's not going to work
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out for me. Seven o'clock is
early for me. Okay, but you
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can read define early in the same
way you read define success. So a
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man. Amen. The point here
is, though, Guinea up and enough
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time to prepare your mind and your
heart for ministry, because if you just
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get out of the bed, comb
your hair and hopping the car and head
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off to the abortion center, yeah, you're not. You don't have enough
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time to prepare your heart. Now, maybe your drive to the abortion center
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is a little longer, and certainly
I would encourage you on your drive there
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to be preparing your heart, to
be praying, but to have some quiet,
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peaceful time before the Lord to prepare
your thoughts, to compare your mind,
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especially if you're in a leadership role, is really crucial because in that
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leadership role, whether you're a team
lead for one of the days at the
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abortion center, whether you lead the
ministry at an abortion center and you oversee
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some some other leaders, some team
leads or volunteers. Your outreach has to
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do with reaching the MOMS going in, for sure, but it also has
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to do with training people, overseeing, people relating to people that you're overseeing,
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and you have to prepare your mind
for that stuff even thinking through.
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I mean, I would encourage you
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to be praying for each of your
volunteers, maybe for that day when you
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get up Monday morning. Pray for
your Monday team leads and volunteers, of
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course, pray for the MOMS.
This is an opportunity to kind of get
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all the stuff in your head out
before the Lord and give it to him
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in prayer and to be thinking through
even various scenarios that you're going to encounter
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through the day to prepare your heart
for those things. Now, the more
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you do this, the more it
becomes second nature to you in the easier
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it becomes. What a life of
productivity is a life of discipline. That
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is the reality. It is,
it is and that's actually what we call
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what we labeled us. The third
unseen preparation is discipline, selfdiscipline. Again,
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I think, in short, supply
often in modern times. Yeah,
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said, yeah, you know,
it's all about do what you want,
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when you want, what makes you
happy, instead of be disciplined so that
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what God wants is evident and and
that you're prepared and ready for it.
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It does not appear miraculously selfdiscipline.
Like I I think you can think of
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many of these things as almost like
muscles and if you don't do these things,
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those muscles will become weak flappy.
If you do them, the more
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you do them, the more you
are selfdisciplined, the easier it is to
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be selfdisciplined. Yeah, but it
relates directly to some of the other things
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that that we already talked about,
that you're training yourself to do the things
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that it takes. Yeah, even
though they're not fun, right, and
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they're often not fun. Yeah,
often times when we put our flesh into
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subjection, it's not fun, right, but God is glorified through it.
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Our flesh. A lot of times, our flesh Lee desires are what gets
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in the way of God's glory in
God using US insignificant get ways. If
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you look throughout church history to men
and women of God that made an impact,
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these people were disciplined, people had
as a pattern of their lives.
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Regular Times in prayer, regular times
in fasting, regular times in the word.
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Often Times they had a regular pattern
to when they got up and when
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they went to bed. An abiding
life, Jesus said, if you abide
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in me and my words, abide
in you. This is in John Chapter
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Fifteen. We's talking about bearing fruit, abiding in the vine. An abiding
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life is a disciplined life. Yeah, that does it mean that everything's regimented
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and everything's there's no like flexibility and
any of that stuff. So I'm not
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trying to squeeze joy out of your
lives, but if you want to have
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a life that abides in Christ and
a life that's disciplined or a life that
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bears fruits and fruit and you're going
to have to have a disciplined life,
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not just flying by the Sea of
your pants and just winging it right.
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Yeah, I agree, and I
do a lot of checklist and the reason
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I do that is not, as
some people believe, so that I can
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check it off and feel accomplished.
Not at all. The checklist. I'm
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serious. I do checklist. Feel
so good to check it out, feels
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good to check some stuff off,
but also do it to help. You
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know, discipline myself. It's how
I organized my life. It's how,
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if something is important enough that it
that I write it down, put a
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little checkbox next to it and make
sure at the end of the day that
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I have done that it reflects my
values. This is important, I need
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to do this and I'm going to
do whatever it takes to help me to
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do that. So the fourth unseen
sacrifice of a great sidewalk counselor is a
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willingness to serve without seeing results.
This is so important. Yeah, and
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so difficult, and so difficult it
is. But we have to remember where
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we started, what you talked about. Yeah, the the victory is in
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showing up, in the obedience to
the Lord. So when you've showed up,
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God has has received the victory and
you've had the victory. Yeah,
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and God will not always give us
the results. We will not always see
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them. I do want to tell
a story at this is perfect time.
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There was a God story today that
I didn't tell Daniel because I thought it
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might work in this is it works
perfectly in this. So there was a
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woman walking down the street today.
I just came from the sidewalk and I
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could tell she came from the neighborhood
behind the abortion center, very very dangerous
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neighborhood, very low income, and
she was not nice to me initially.
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You know, I tried to give
her my information and said, are you
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coming from the woman center? I
wasn't positive. I guess I was up
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the street little ways and she said
no, I'm coming from this neighborhood and
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and I tried to give her the
information. You said, no, I
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already have one. I said how
do you have one, because I had
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seen our cyber consolars. No one
had given her one, and she said
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I got it a week ago,
and then I said, oh well,
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let me tell you why we give
these two people and I started telling her
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about our mendership program how we help
the women, how we put our name
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on there, how even this pamphlet
alone can change someone's heart from abortion to
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life. Yeah, and she said
I know, and I said, Oh,
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how do you know? And she
said because I took it. I
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brought it home that night. My
sister found out she was pregnant. She
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wanted to have an abortion and I
gave her this pamphlet. Wow, and
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she chose life. It's amazing and
and I just was overcome. Yeah,
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I was overcome because we never saw
that result of that faithfulness of whoever it
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was that it handed her that pamphlet
and I just said, Oh, I
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just wanna. I did and she
she hugged me because she knew I wanted
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to hug her, but in the
day of Covid we just don't do that.
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But she hugged me and I said
will you take another one? You
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might, you might save another life. By now she's beaming and I gave
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her my name and number again,
not just my google phone number but my
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actual phone number, and and said
please, have your sister call us.
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We will give her a baby shower. That will that will give two full
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years of what you'll need in this
woman. I saw her texting right away.
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I know she was texting her sister, yeah, telling her so this
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is we didn't see that the person
that handed that that pamphlet to her,
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whoever that was, that it was
a week ago. I don't know who
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gave it to her. Yeah,
and and the results they we would never
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have known them, especially because other
councilors tried to stop her down the street
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but she was so nasty they kind
of just let her go, which I
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don't blame them. I mean often
times, since that is best, right,
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God just gave us this, this
little glimpse into be selts. It's
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pretty amazing that the Lord even with
the woman being a nasty I kind of
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wonder why she was nasty. Wonder
if because after you had shared with her
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or she'd shared with you that opportunity, or how God used her in that
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in that particular situation. She seemed
to be beaming. I wonder if she
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was maybe conflating us with the pro
abortion people or something like that, because
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people that come they're pretty confused.
I don't know. Either way, like
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God use that. Yeah, and
that is a result of faithfulness and right
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handing out literature, whether you see
results or not. Step principle of sewing
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and watering. You know, sewing
seeds were watering seeds. God gives the
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increase. Yeah, and that situation
God very graciously gave the increase. Yeah,
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and also let us hear about the
fruit. Right, and we do
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what we do for God's glory.
We do what we do in obedience to
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him. We leave the results up
to him and you know, we don't
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always get to hear about the results, but sometimes he graciously, let's US
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hear about those results. Yeah,
yeah, it was. It was pretty
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awesome. And and I know that
there are many facilities where you serve on
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the sidewalk that are harder than others
and results really are harder to see.
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There's a couple here in Charlotte we
see the most results at, at the
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one I mostly serve at latrobe.
Well, there's the most abortions there and
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that's all they do there. It. Of course we're going to see more
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visible results then at a plan parenthood, which is smaller, maybe in our
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city, and where they do other
things. Right. So we just want
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to encourage you that this unseen sacrifice
of serving willingly joyfully, even when you
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don't see results, is really valuable. Yeah, and ultimately you will see
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the results. One day you'll be
standing beside the Lord and he will say
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well done, good and faithful servant. Yeah, and all those babies that
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were saved for I have this picture
of them all come running, yeah,
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out out to to hug you.
Yeah, there's a scripture that comes to
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mind. And again, God lets
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basis here at La Trobe. Yeah, of course, keeping in mind sometimes
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there's forty, fifty people inside of
that building to kill their child a regular
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basis. Like twenty five people coming
in there to kill her baby. Right.
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So we see a massive loss of
life as well on some pretty awful
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resistance from pro abortion people. Right. So God graciously lets us see that
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descripture that comes to mind is at
believe is in the gospel of John where
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Jesus reveals himself after his resurrection to
his disciples, and I think it's the
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situation. I'm kind of going off
the cuff here with the scripture, so
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don't quote me on exactly. I'm
not going to quote it exactly. Just
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give us the gist to the story. Give you the justest of it.
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Jesus reveals himself to his disciples.
Believe that's the situation. When Thomas Jesus
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says put your fingers here in the
nail, prince, right here's my side.
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You know. He says, my
Lord of my God, and he
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says you are blessed because you see
and believe, but even more blessed are
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those who believe and yet have not
seen. Yes, and so I think
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you guys who are ministering at these
very difficult mission fields at these very difficult
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abortion centers were you don't see a
lot of out result. Just take an
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encouragement from the Lord, like you're
still standing in faith, even though you're
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not seeing on a regular basis the
fruit of what you're doing, and God's
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honoring that. If you're doing that
in faithfulness to him, God's gonna Bless
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and God's going to honor that,
and I it's I guarantee you. Babies
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are being saved behind the scenes that
you don't find out about, and you
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won't find out about maybe until you
stand before the Lord, but God's using
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you, guys. Yeah, I
love that verse. I have never applied
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that to sidewalk counseling, but it
is perfect. Yeah, because it is
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so much our story. We don't
see the a lot of fruit often times.
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The fifth component is the willingness to
suffer. Just know you're going to
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suffer. Yeah, who wants to
sign on to something where they we tell
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you up front, be prepared.
Right, you're going to suffer. You're
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going to suffer big time. Yeah, you're going to be out there in
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horrible weather, people are going to
Taunt, to make fun of you,
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even threaten you. Yeah, fellow
Christians will even drive by and say you
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shouldn't be out here, you are
a shameful human being. Yeah, you're
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going to be a miserable weather and
and you're often not going to see food.
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Now that sounds like something I wanted
to do. Sign me up.
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So probably we're going to lose some
volunteers over making this point, but the
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best counselors are the ones that just
say, no matter what, three of
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the most scary words on earth.
Yeah, I will do it, no
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matter what. Yeah, and because
I guarantee you will suffer. Jesus tells
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us we're going to suffer in this
world, we will have troubles, but
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he also reminds us take heart,
I have overcome the world. Yeah,
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keep your focus on him. Yeah, you're gonna be misunderstood. Yeah,
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you're going to be misunderstood by the
people that are come to the abortion center,
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of course, about pro abortion people, but even by family and friends.
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Be Ready to be misunderstood and under
appreciated and not appreciate it. But
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again, Dude, and faithfulness to
the Lord, and God will honor it.
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Tell you the Lord who honor it. Look at our MOTTEL. I
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mean Jesus was the absolute picture of
someone willing to suffer for the greater good.
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Yeah, and so remember that every
time you step out there with that
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willingness to suffer, you are you
are being reflecting the image of your Safre
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if, your Lord and Savior.
I think that's that's really powerful. But
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we already talked about the six component
a little bit, which is intentionally abiding
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in the Lord. Yeah, so
I don't think we need to go too
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much more into that because we don't
want to go over time. The last
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one, and I thought this was
really good from this was right from that
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podcast I listened to, reframe rejection. Yeah, rejection is a huge part
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of sidewalk counseling. Like you just
said, you are going to face it.
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You will be rejected pretty much by
everyone. Yeah, except for there
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will be the rare woman that will
I would I was rejected this morning by
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the woman walking down the street.
Ultimately she changed towards me. But we
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get slapped, metaphorically, slapped in
the face. Yeah, all the time.
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Yeah, rejection hurts. None of
us want it, it's going to
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happen. It is a given if
you're involved in sidewalk counseling. Yeah,
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but what if you look through rejection
through a new lens and instead of looking
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at it as a personal insult and
taking it like, believing it that that
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defines who you are, with those
who are rejecting you have said you are
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what? Instead, if you look
at it as a badge of honor,
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yeah, I am rejected because I
am speaking the truth that they don't want
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to hear. In again, modeling
my Lord and Savior Again, who was
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more rejected than Jesus himself? Yeah, so I loved that. That made
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me feel like, Oh, I
am something else. I have been rejected
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today. Yeah, if you rejected
because you're acting, you know, like
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a fool or whatever, that's different. Peter Talks about that. If you're
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persecuted because of your own sin,
leave Peter. Paul talks about that and
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one of the epistles. Yeah,
but if you're rejected for Christ's sake,
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then you're identified with him. Yeah, and so it's just awesome encouragement.
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We can be identified with Jesus because
of the rejection that that comes from US
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speaking the truth. And I'll say, if you aren't being rejected, you're
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probably not hitting the truth hard enough. Yeah, honestly, possibly. Yeah.
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So, guys. We hope this
was an encouragement, even though there
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were some things that were a challenge
for you. Guess God challenges us very
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graciously to help us to grow to
be more like Jesus. That's the goal.
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After all, to be a disciple
is to be disciplined. That's the
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root word of the word disciple,
to be a disciple of Jesus, to
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be disciplined in the ways of Jesus. I never thought of that. That's
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it's good. Yep, that's what
it is, and so we hope that
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this helped you guys to be more
disciplined and what God's called you to.
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Hope this has been an encouragement challenge
for you, guys. We'd love for
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you to reach out. You can
reach me, Daniel at Love Life Dot
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Org. You can reach Vicky,
Vicky with a why, at Love Life
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Dot Org. We'd love to hear
from you, guys. We'd love to
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hear some feedback on this podcast or
other episodes, ideas for other podcast episodes,
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and please leave us a review.
We'd love to hear from you on
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the reviews and just get our ratings
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are. If you can do that
with the be a trim, tremendous blessing
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to us. But until next time, God bless God bless you all our
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love for love. Give me our
love for gratitude. I know it will
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cost me my life. Nothing's too
precious in some you