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I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours s and me,
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Lord, I am yours. Welcome
to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast,
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and this episode we're going to talk
about the incarnation of Jesus and the Christmas
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story and what that has to do
with pro life ministry. Hope you're blessed
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is you continue to listen, stay
tuned. I felt show passish touch your
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heart. Welcome to the Gospel Center
pro life podcast. Micky and I are
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here just talking through some things about
the incarnation of Jesus. It's Christmas time,
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it's the time that we celebrate the
birth of our Lord and Savior,
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Jesus, and we thought that there
are some theological and practical implications of the
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incarnation of Jesus, some things that
would bless you, guys, and some
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scriptures that we're going to talk about
that have to do with you know this.
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You know what I had said was
an unplanned pregnancy. Unplanned according to
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according to Mary. She certainly didn't
plan Jesus coming into her womb, right,
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but God did. So, yeah, there really are no unplanned pregnancies
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like ever, right according to God, but according to man there certainly are.
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We deal with those on a regular
basis and those who are in pro
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life ministry. That's what you deal
with, and unplanned pregnancies by but hopefully,
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as we as we talk through some
of this that has to do with
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the Christmas story and the incarnation of
Jesus, it'll have some application, thank
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you, will have some application to
just your daily ministry in your walk with
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the Lord. So so let's hop
into it. Yeah, well, I'll
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tell you when you introduce this subject
and said, what do you think about
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talking about this? My understanding and
how I view the Christmas story and the
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birth of Jesus and his incarnation it
has really changed over the past six years
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as I have been very involved in
in pro life ministry. So I look
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at I look at it with new
eyes and I look and it colors even
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how I look at the women who
are coming to abort their children. Okay,
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so I'm really glad that we're talking
about this because I think it's I
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think it's a very important story,
yeah, and truth for people in Pro
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Life Ministry to explore. Yeah,
and think about. Yeah, I think
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if we just sort of best we
can look back into history and look back
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into the story not just of Jesus, but the story of Mary herself.
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Yeah, I know one one movie
that we've watched as a family past couple
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of years and on if you've watched
this movie, but the Nativity story movie.
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It's sort of a modern movie.
I've when it was made in the
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tooth. I haven't seen it,
I've seen the advertisements. Yeah, yes,
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should, because it really brings you
back to that day and age.
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I think they do a really good
job of sort of laying out the historical
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picture of what it was like for
Mary and what she experienced. You know,
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the Romans were there, had control
over Israel and over Jerusalem and oppressing
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the people, and that was the
historical context that was Mary, that Mary
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was in. Also the Jewish context
there of what could potentially happen to an
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unwed woman who was pregnant. Yeah, and a lot of US know that.
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We've heard about. You know what
what Mary must had suffered and must
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had at least been thinking about in
the back of her mind while she's carrying
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this baby? Any what she may
have been thinking about whenever the angel came
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to her and told her that she
was going to conceive. Yeah, it
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can help us appreciate Mary and in
a hundred way. Yeah, second price
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that she made and willfully submitting.
We'll probably get into that scripture, hopefully
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in a little bit, about how
she willfully submits herself to this plan of
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God and it can have some application
to the some of the women that we
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deal with now quite a bit different
than Mary herself because she was pure and
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she was a virgin, but some
of the women that we deal with who
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are in difficult situations, she was
in a difficult situation that we deal with
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her, in dire situations, yeah, mostly because of their own sin.
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She certainly was not in her situation
because of her sin, but it can
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help us to because this is a
real world scenario. Yeah, and in
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Biblical text especially, we're looking at
a biblical stories. We can disconnect ourselves,
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I think, from the fact that
these are real people with real struggles
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and to try to just take our
minds back to that era and what she
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dealt with and kind of put ourselves
in that scenario, I think is helpful.
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Yeah, I s to Adnifi,
with with I agree. I sudrive,
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I'm working with a well, she's
I'm no longer working with her.
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She actually did not save her child. But a teen? Yeah, who?
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Who would have been about Mary's age? Okay, and when I you
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know, and I kept thinking as
I was reading through the the text,
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about when the angel came to Mary
and how she responded and, like you're
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saying, the the context, the
the world in which she lived, and
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then how the teen that that I
was working with, how she responded to
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the struggles and and it made Mary
more real to me and what happened in
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her life even more astonishing, and
the decisions that she made because she was
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young, right. Yeah, I
mean, what do they say? A
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young teen? Yeah, yes,
some folks say thirteen, fourteen, maybe
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fifteen years old. The scripture doesn't
say exactly how old she was, but
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the impasion is she was. Yeah, she was young. Yeah, but
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we know she's she's betrothed. So
she's engaged at to be married. She's
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a virgin. And can you imagine, I mean, being alone in your
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room and this stranger appears and an
angel? But yeah, and I don't
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know if she knew it was an
angel instantly. Maybe the text tells us,
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and I just don't remember, if
initially she knew. Yeah, well,
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I didn't say that in particular.
I'll read the text. Okay,
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let's do that and and we'll talk
about okay, yes, is in Luke,
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chapter one, okay, and it
says now in this is verse Twenty
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Six, Luke, Luke one hundred
and twenty six is where we'll begin.
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Down the six month. The Angel
Gabriel was sent by God to a city
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of Galilee named Nazareth, to a
virgin betrothed to a man whose name was
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Joseph of the House of David.
The Virgin's name was Mary and, having
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come in, the angel said to
her, rejoice, highly favored one,
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the Lord is with you, blessed
are you among women. But when she
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saw him she was troubled at his
saying, and consider what manner of greeting
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this was. So seems maybe she
didn't know it was an angel just so
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what are you thinking? Here's my
first question. What she thinking? There's
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a strange man, yes, standing
room saying you are highly favored. Yeah,
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well, at least he didn't,
he didn't speak angrily to her,
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apparently. Yeah, highly favored.
Since then the Lord said to her,
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do not be afraid, or the
angel, I'm sorry, said to her,
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do not be afraid Mary, for
you have found favor with God.
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Behold, you will conceive in your
womb and bring forth a son and she'll
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call his name Jesus. He will
be great and he will be called the
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son of the most high, the
Lord. God will give him the throne
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of his father David, and he
will reign over the House of Jacob forever
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in his kingdom, of his kingdom. There will be no end. And
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then Mary said to the angel,
how can this be, since I know
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no man? So here she has. He's having this exchange with this angel.
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He's told her a lot of stuff. He's not just given her a
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little a little picture of what's got. He's given her a sort of the
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big picture. This this she's been
given her that. He's even given her
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the name of this son that you're
going to conceive. And then this prophecy
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about him. He's going to rule
over his people. That the you know.
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You know the Kingdom is of his
kingdom there there's going to be no
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ends. You've got a king in
your womb. Let me ask you.
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I honestly I don't know the answer. I hope you do, but don't.
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Would Mary have been well versed enough
in scripture that would she have recognized
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that this was the angel was talking
about the Messiah. You know, I
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don't know actually, because I know
in that day and age, certainly they
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were Biblical text that were read and
they study the scriptures. Jewish people were,
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you know, made to study the
scriptures. Now, the peasants,
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I don't know that they would have
had that sort of knowledge, and especially
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a woman. In that day and
age they did not sew a lot into
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theologically and as far as the scriptures
concerned, into women. It was mainly
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men, young men were were trained
in the scripture. But her being a
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peasant, her being a woman,
she may not have. I don't know,
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maybe she would have. Presumably net
right, presumably she would have.
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You know, she probably celebrated Passover. Yeah, and and so there certainly
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is. Anyone celebrating Passover knows that
the Messiah's going to come. That's what
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they're they're waiting for. So I
just I wondered that if because she doesn't
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ask anything, at least it's not
recorded except one thing. How can this
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be done? Yeah, because I'm
a virgin. She doesn't ask unless you
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would think if there were other questions
it would have been recorded. Maybe not,
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but anyway, were you done reading
the yeah, yeah, maybe we'll
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kind of kind of Pauls right there. And because there's another big why the
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you know, why did God in
in all the ways that he could have
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sent the savior of the world to
Earth? Why as a little baby in
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the womb? Yeah, that is
a big question. You think about it,
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because as we think about Christmas and
we think about and maybe the theology
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of Christmas or whatever, we might
gloss over because we just this is the
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story that we know about RSIAH come. He came as a baby and whatever.
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Yeah, what we mayb don't put
thought to. Could he have come
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other ways? I. Could the
Messiah have come to this earth? You
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know, you mentioned, as we
talked about this before, that Adam was,
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seems to be a full grown human
being when he was put into this
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world. Right, right, could
in the Messiah? Couldn't Jesus have come
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as just a full grown man?
And I guess I don't see any theological
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reason why he couldn't have. In
the sense if that's what God intended,
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if that's how the son of God
was to come into the world, I
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guess he could have. Right.
He didn't. Yeah, he didn't.
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So they're in. You know,
we know nothings by accident. Right,
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God, God, the Eternal Plan
of God. This is his plan and
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and I think it. Well,
I guess we don't know. I think
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there are things that we can kind
of guess from, you know, make
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educated guesses. Yeah, I from
you digging in the scripture. We talked
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about some of these scriptures earlier and
he brews. Hebrews is rich and full
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of verses that talk about the humanity
of Jesus also about the divinity of Jesus.
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He brewises one of my favorite books
of the Bible, and Hebrews Chapter
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Two, in verse fourteen, which
is a scripture you mentioned to me earlier,
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and it says inasmuch as the children
have partaken of flesh and blood,
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he's talking about human beings partaken a
flesh and blood. He himself is talking
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about the son of God. Is
talking about Jesus here. If you read
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that larger context, he himself likewise
shared in the same the human flesh,
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flesh and blood that through death he
might destroy him who had the power of
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death, that is the devil.
And we can rabbit trail on that and
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do a big thing logical discussion about
that, but we won't do that.
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We'll keep reading that, maybe for
another podcast or for a theological podcast with
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this is a this is a prolife
podcast. That will try to keep it
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on that and release from those.
This is verse fifteen, through fear of
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death, where all the life,
all their lifetime, subject to bondage.
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For indeed, he does not give
to aid to angels. So he didn't.
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He wasn't born of an angel or
anything like that. He doesn't give
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aid to angels. He gives a
the implication is to human beings. But
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he does give aid to the seat
of Abraham. Therefore, in all things
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he had to be made like his
brethren. He had to be made like
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his brethren in all things and all
think that's critical. Yes, important thing
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that is. That is an important
point. That has especially as it has
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to do with human beings, a
human life and even conception, which will
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look at him just a little bit, that he might be a merciful and
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faithful high priests in things pertaining to
God, to make propagation for the sins
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of the people, for in that
he himself has suffered being tempted. He
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is able to aid those who are
tempted. Then I believe this thought continues
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on even into chapter four here in
a verse fifteen, and this is an
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important point. This is like,
this is phenomenal to me. This,
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this, this fact that the eternal
God would be a partaker of human flesh,
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would come in the filth, in
the in the in just the depravity
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of human society and humanness is amazing
to me and it shows the grace and
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the mercy of God. And in
Verse Fifteen, this is part of that
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says, for we do not have
a high priest who cannot sympathize with our
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weaknesses. Is talking about Jesus.
So our high priest. He can sympathize
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with our weaknesses. He's not so
distant so far that he doesn't know our
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struggles in the stuff that we're going
through. But here's the power point here
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of Verse Fifteen. But was tempted, or was in all things tempted,
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as we are, yet without sins, all the stuff that we experience as
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temptations, he himself experienced, he
submitted himself to those experiences. And again
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we can go on a theological rabbit
trail, and it would be a good
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one, that's to talk about temptation
and how Christ was tempted. How could?
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How could divinity be tempted? God
can't be tempted. And we getting
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all that in their other podcast for
that. Yeah, and people do with
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that. Subjects a good subject to
deal with. But yeah, but what
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we're talking about is the humanity that
Jesus took on. Yeah, and the
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experience that he had in temptation,
but also the experience that he had in
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the womb, in the womb,
and that's where, you know, my
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thoughts have really gone and since we
started thinking about this is okay, so
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he's in the womb and conceived.
The angels said that Mary would conceive right,
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and and so you know, presumably
from the moment of conception, Jesus
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is in the womb. Yeah,
and you know, develops as any baby
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in the womb develops. And what
there is a reason for that. We
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don't necessarily know the reason, but
we know God has a reason for that.
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And you know, some of the
thoughts that went through my mind was,
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well, number one, that there
are experiences in the womb that are
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essential, yeah, to being human
and and that Jesus, if he was
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going to be, what was the
word all that, that he was in
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all things that he became like us. Yeah, then that includes whatever these
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developmental things going on in the womb
that are critical for whatever, for whatever
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reason, so that he could fully
identify with us. And so it,
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you know, for part of the
reason, I think, is explained in
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the text, so that he would
fully identify with us. But I think
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something that you can you can surmise
based on this, is that God values
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that unborn child. Yeah, why
would he have brought his own son to
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Earth as an unborn child unless there
was value and an importance in that unborn
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child and the experience, yeah,
the womb. And it's in such sharp
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contrast to to what we see the
the value placed on the unborn child in
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an abortion minded world. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, world. I mean
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it's a culture of death that we
live in, where sort of abortion for
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some people is the default position.
Yeah, I mean, could you see
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Mary saying well to the Angel,
you know? Well, you know,
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it sounds like you mean well,
and I understand. You know, maybe
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you need a good vessel to carry
the baby Jesus in. But do you
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know my situation? Right? I'm
unmarried, I'm poor, I've got neighbors
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who might stone me for finding me
pregnant. I mean that was a real
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danger. It was a real dangerous
she could have died, she could have
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been killed for adultery. The betrothal
in that day was the same as as
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marriage in terms of faithfulness to,
you know, to your betrothed and and
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you know this young team. What
were her parents going to say? So
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you know the she faced some terrible, terrible things and and and she she
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still didn't challenge the angel and say
God must have it wrong. Yeah,
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in contrast to so many of the
an abortion minded woman, yeah, who
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is saying? This is the thing? Stay here, you say this statement
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here in Luke Chapter One, because
yet you do have that attitude. We're
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dealing with abortion mind of women's almost
like and on, since they recognize that
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God doesn't make mistakes, because we
ask them and they say, well,
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no, but stakes God. But
in this situation I think maybe he missed
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it. You know, it's kind
of what what they're saying when they're when
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they're willing to take the innocent life
of their baby, even though they know
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that it's wrong. Right. There's
almost no abortion minded woman that I've encountered
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that, at least in some measure, didn't agree that abortion is wrong.
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It's wrong, but there's always that
but attached to it. Right, yeah,
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but here in the story, in
Luke Chapter One, as the angel
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gives this, you know, this
proclamation of what a what's going on?
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And but what does Mary say?
She says in Verse Thirty, in Verse
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Thirty Seven, it says for with
God. This is as after she asks,
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how is it possible that I can
conceive, because I've never been with
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a man like I don't understand how
this is going to work. But she
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doesn't argue no, because the angel
answers for God, with God, nothing
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will be impossible. Then Mary said, behold the maid, servant of the
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Lord. Basically, I'm your servant. You know, if you say that's
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the right, that's God's plan,
then I'm beholding to it. Let it
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be to me according to your word. Let it be to me according to
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your word. One of the most
beautiful lines in sure picture, I think.
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Well, so to to not rabbit
trail but to debunking idea that I've
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heard. Some of our pro abortion
friends says like God raped Mary. Even
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heard that. That is I have. I have so ridiculous. It's like,
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okay, how blasphemous and how how
irreverent, if for you even to
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sacre even say that right. But
the fact is that married submitted herself to
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this by her own volition. The
plan was laid out. The Angel didn't
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just come and say you're already pregnant
and blah, blah, Blah Blah,
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and he said here's what's going to
happen, right, and it's possible.
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I mean, we don't see any
reason. There's no reason to believe that
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she would have been against this plan, because obviously God knew he was picking
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right. Her heart was prepared beforehand
and whatever. But she says, let
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it be according to your will.
She is bowing her wheel to the will
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of God. She said, if
that's God's plan, on submit myself to
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it. So this idea that sort
of God took advantage of her or something
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like that, is utterly ridiculous.
She, of her own volition, submitted
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herself to the plan of God.
She showed completely her faith was beautifully displayed
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in her trust. Yeah, and
her trusted. Okay, let it be
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done to me. I don't understand
it. I'm sure there was part of
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her that was thinking, I'm not
sure I like it. Because there's a
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lot of scary stuff I'm going to
face, but let it be done to
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me, as you have said.
So that the the true, the absolute
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trust, that that it was going
to be okay. Yeah, that she
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needed and wanted to submit to the
will of her heavenly father. And this
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remarkable. Yeah, it's markable.
It's amazing, especially again considering the scenario
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there and what could have happened to
her. She could have been stoned to
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deaths you could have been rejected by
the people who she loved the most,
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or family and whatever, even by
Joseph. We see it was a certainly
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temptation for Joseph, even though he
was a humble man. He was going
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to put her away secretly. He's
going to divorce her, you know,
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break off the the betrothal secretly.
But, but, but, it,
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that indicates that he didn't believe her
at first. Right, he clearly didn't
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believe her. I assume she went
and said this angel gave to my room
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and and this is what he told
me. Well, you know, again,
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putting yourself in that situation, who
would believe that? I wouldn't believe
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that, sure, man. Yeah, right, yeah, so he didn't
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initially and then what happens in angel
comes to him, right, yeah,
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dream is a matter of fact.
Actually are one of our pastors preached on
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this last Sunday where he talked about, you know, how God can speak
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through dreams, and God spoke to
Joseph. It says that the Lord came
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to him in a dream. Yeah, and and told him this plan.
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Yeah, and then Joseph again shows
the trust and the faith that that this
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revelation to him through the dream is
is true, yeah, and that he
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then is going to take on this
incredibly difficult situation. Yeah. Well,
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I'll read the passage jays Matthew and
verse, Chapter One, Verse Twenty.
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But while he thought about these things, where he's talking about putting a her
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away, secretly backing off the betrothing. But while he thought about these things,
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behold an angel of the Lord appeared
to him in a dream, saying
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Josephs of Joseph, Mary was in
this struggle, right, she was in
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the struggle in her heart of this
plan and how's this going to happen?
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And Oh, this anxiety involved in
her, but also there's some anxiety involved
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in Joseph. was. You don't
just get that he's he finds out about
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this, that she's pregnant, and
it's like, okay, that's a bad
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thing and he moves on. No, he's wrestling with he's struggling, he's
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probably having a hard time sleeping at
night because he loved this woman and in
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one sense it's going to put him
to shame because he's accused probably of having
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had sex with her prematurely, before
they actually were married, in the midst
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of the Betrothal, with the back, which of would have been shameful as
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right. Yeah, so he's accused
of that. Possibly he's also thinking,
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okay, who's been with my betrothed? Right, because I'm not the father
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he has, and so there's a
lot going on in his mind, right.
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He still obviously is a humble man, because he could have called it
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for her to be stoned immediately,
but he didn't. So he's contemplating these
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things as he thought about these things. That's what it says that angel came
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to him and dream saying, Joseph, son of David, do not be
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afraid to take Mary to you're you're
not be afraid to take you mary,
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your wife, for that which is
conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit
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and she will bring forth a son
and you will call his name Jesus,
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for he will save his people from
their sins. And so God reaffirms Joseph
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in the midst of this unplanned pregnancy, unplanned for Mary and for Joseph,
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speak to him in a dream,
the reaffirming this plan, that this is
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God's plan. It's unconventional according to
man, but it's God's way and it's
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God's plan. Yeah, and it's
what the whole Christmas story centers around.
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Yeah, yeah, which is Awesome
Plan of God. Yeah, and it
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follows a we mentioned this be earlier, that it follows God's kind of the
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way he works throughout the Bible is
he chooses. He seems to in many
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cases choose the weakest, the most
vulnerable nation people to promote his purpose.
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Yeah, and and I think Mary
is a perfect example. Yea, that,
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yes, we were talking this through. You mentioned, you know,
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God could have chosen a queen.
Yeah, I to have, yeah,
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Gina Palace and all the things that
you would need and all the baby supplies
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you'd need and, you know,
gold studded diapers and whatever. But you
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know, he this was a baby
born to a poor family that had to
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be wrapped in swaddling close so there's
no room, and could have chosen to
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for the s I had to come, you know, in as a full
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grown man. I guess he could
have chosen, if he was going to
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choose the baby route, he could
have chosen to have this baby born in
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a palace and all this. So
our wisdom and conventional wisdom is oftentimes not
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God's. With them, it's not
God's will. Often in front of the
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abortion center, do be here it
I can't have this baby. My situations
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too terrible. It's not the right
time. Yeah, and contrast that to
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marry. Well, it is their
situation really any worse than Mary's and most
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cases, honestly know, but ails
in comparison, because very few would be
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under threat of being stoned at that's
for sure. So you know another interesting
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passage that you're probably none. Yeah, let's we're not stone and I'm we
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guarantee. But but you know at
right after Mary and Joseph, Well,
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Mary has this encounter with the angel
then, I think it's in Luke one
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hundred and forty four where, and
it says that she hurries to her cousin
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Elizabeth. It uses the word hurries
after this. And and look at what
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happens in that passage because because,
I think again, it's so much speaks
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to me as someone in pro like
ministry. Okay, for indeed, as
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soon as the voice of this is
a luke one hundred and forty four,
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for indeed, soon is the voice
of your greeting sounded in my ears,
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the baby leaped in my womb for
joy. So this is Elizabeth, this
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is Mary. Had hurried to her
cousin Elizabeth's House and she's pregnant with Jesus
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at that point. Elizabeth is pregnant
with John The baptizer at that point,
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and when she heard Mary's Voice,
the baby apparently heard the voice to and
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leaped in the whom the babe leaped
in the womb? So a lot of
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things. First of all, she
hurries to Elizabeth, and actually it was
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actually my sister that mentioned this to
me, that you know, Elizabeth is
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here with basically an unplanned pregnancy herself. Yeah, right, she was.
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She was very surprised to because she
was old. Yeah, and so she
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didn't think that child bearing years were
over. Yeah. So look at the
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contrast here. Yeah, there's Mary, who's really too young, not married
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and totally not thinking I want to
have a baby. And then there's Elizabeth,
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who's past childbearing years, who's old, and who finds herself in this
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unplanned or unexpected, yeah, pregnancy. And and they come together and the
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two babies, unborn babies, two
of the most pivotal, important babies in
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history. Yeah, right. We've
got John The baptist. Yeah, Jesus
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said of John the Baptist that he
was the greatest, greatest of all the
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prophets. So there's no man born
that was greater than John The baptist.
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That was Jesus testimony later on in
his ministry. And he's coming as an
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unborn baby also. Yeah. And
and so here's this unborn John The baptist,
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who is going to Harold the coming
of the Messiah, and then the
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baby Jesus. And what happens when
they meet? And I know there's a
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meme out on facebook now which is
the first person to greet our Lord and
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Savior was an unborn baby. Yeah, it was John the Baptist in the
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womb of his mother, Elizabeth.
And what does he do? He the
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Scripture says, he leaps for joy. Yeah, and Elizabeth describes the baby
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as leaping for joy in her womb. That to me they clearly a little
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unborn baby is described as having emotion, yeah, and leaping for joy and
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greeting the savior of the world,
another unborn baby, and there's some obviously
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the the scripture says there's a recognition, yeah, be in these two babies,
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unborn babies. Yeah. So that
to me is like just again speaks
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of God's sacred value of the unborn
child and that there's a lot going on
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in that womb. That that some
of which we do know and and some
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of which we probably don't know.
Yeah, you know, one of the
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things that speaks to you. We've
mentioned before, I believe in previous podcast.
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We're sort of given an apologetic for
what the Bible says about unborn children.
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We mentioned the scripture. We mentioned
that word that used here, the
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Greek word that used in verse forty
four. The Babe leaped in the womb.
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That Greek word for babe. What's
the Greek word? Breafos, Brefsos,
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and that word is also used in
other passages to describe unborn children,
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but also born children. So the
Bible does not make a distinction, just
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like we don't. We say it's
a baby. When we look at an
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ultrasound, that's a baby, right, and when we hold an infant,
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we say that's a baby. Right. It's a word that sort of we
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use for all those things. Well, in fact, go back to I
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mean you don't have to turn back
there, but think about what the angel
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said. To marry, you will
conceive a son, yeah, right,
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yeah, a son, not a
Zygoat, yeah, not a Gambria,
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not, not an embryo, not
a clump of cells, but he gave
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personhood to that unborn baby. Yeah, from the earliest moment, you will
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bear a yeah, son. Yeah, you will conceive a son. So
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it wasn't she would bear a son. Right, she would conceive, right,
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a son. Yeah. So that
that at its smallest. Yeah,
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that sort of brings brings it around
in my mind, to a question that
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we talked about before we started the
podcast, which is when did Jesus take
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on human flesh? And I think
this is an important point. Yeah,
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it's like the son of God is
going to come and the likeness, as
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the Bible says in those at Philippians, and likeness and the likeness of sinful
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flesh he's going to come. Well, when did he take on this likeness
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of human beings? Yeah, when
did the son of God become human?
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And if we were to go and
one train of thought, who he became
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human? When he was born,
right when he passed through the birth canal,
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and that's when his humanity was was
in dued on him. That's one
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train of thought. But I think
the obvious biblical train of thought is at
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the moment of conception. I think
that's what the angel says. When the
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angel says conceive a son, I
think at conception you will conceive and that
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is your son. Yeah, and
that is Jesus, and that is when
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the eternal son of God. He's
got to recognize in in the scriptural context,
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that there is within the Godhead,
the Trinity, the Father, Son
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and Holy Spirit, all three,
or coeternal code, equal in power and
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in glory and in Majesty. Each
has a different role, right, the
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Holy Spirit has his role, the
son has his role and the father has
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his role, but the son of
God, in his role, comes in
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human flesh. The Jesus exists eternally, right, he always is. He's
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not a created being, right.
Yeah, he's not a creature. He
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is the eternal Sun, and so
he existed in eternity forever. But yet
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his humanity began in the womb of
Mary. His humanity, him taking on
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human flesh, happened at the moment
of conception, right yeah. And then
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we see in the Scripture and that
Hebrews Chapter two passage, that he took
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on this sinful flesh of that he
might are not sinful flesh in the likeness
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of sinful flesh, right, but
he was a partaker of flesh and blood,
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as it says at Hebrews passage,
so that he threw death. So
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his his flesh, he took on
so that he could ultimately lay it down
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and die. Right yeah, so
that he could destroy him who had the
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power of death, and the Bible
says that that is the devil, and
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also so that he can identify with
our humanity. Right right. So I
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don't know where, where and when
we want to get into this, but
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it's I think I just a really
was a good time. Wonderful. Point
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is also at the moment of conception, and I think this is fairly recent
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that scientists have discovered that and they've
got pictures of it. At the moment
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of conception. Conception, a meet
sperm and there's a flash of light in
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the WOMB. Yeah, a flash
of light. So you know, as
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I was thinking about that and looking
at the pictures, and there's pictures,
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you can absolutely can see these pictures
of this. Well, what is Jesus
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called? He's called the light of
the world, light of the world.
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And when God what was the first
words? Well, among the first words
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that God said, as he's creating
the universe, let there below, let
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there be light. And so,
you know, here's the the the conception
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of the savior of the world is, is a spark of light. Presumably,
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if that's true, of all babies
as they're born in the womb or
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as they're conceived in the womb,
and and so, you know, again,
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to me it speaks again of their
that moment of conception was supremely wonderful
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and all that follows to birth is
is wonderful and sacred and and so important.
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And then coming to the moment of
birth is, you know, again,
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the probably the pivotal physical event in
a human beings life. You're born,
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you physically enter, you leave the
womb and enter the world, and
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and and in so much of the
Bible. Nearly every physical event has a
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spiritual parallel, and you look at
that. The the description of when we
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come to faith. Is Born again, John Chapter three, and listen,
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and is born again, feign against
see the Kingdom of God. Yeah,
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the scripture that comes to mind is
in John, the Gospel John, in
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Chapter Fourteen. It starts out verse
one. Many of you guys probably know
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this passage. In the beginning was
the word, and the word was with
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God and the word was God.
So obviously showing the divinity of this one
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who's called the word, which is
obviously Jesus. And it talks about light
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in verse five and John Chapter One. The light shines in the darkness and
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the darkness does not comprehend it.
So that's along the lines of what what
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you're saying. He was, he
was the true light that came into the
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world. In verse fourteen that it
says the word became flesh, HMM,
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and dwelt among us. We beheld
his glory, the Glory as of the
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only begotten other father, full of
grace and truth. So this word,
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this this eternal word, who was
with God and was God, who,
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Bible says, all things were made
through him and without him, nothing was
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made. That was made so through
the eternal Sun all things were created.
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All things, all creation, flowed
from this uncreated son of God. But
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the word, this word became flesh, he took on flesh, and I
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think that says a couple of things. It says that God is willing to
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enter in to our humanity, to
enter into our experiences. So that's one
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thing. It enter into our mess. Yeah, man enter and enter into
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a sinful and deprave the world.
But the second thing it says is that
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God values human beings enough to do
that. Right, because he didn't do
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it, as we reread in that
Hebrews passage, for God does not give
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for he did it for the the
the the Sun. I think the word
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is does not give aid to angels. So it doesn't mean that God doesn't
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care about angels, but it's what
it's talking about. In in a salvific
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way. God does not intervene on
behalf of angels, he doesn't, but
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he does on behalf of fallen human
beings. He intervenes. He intervened in
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such a way that he became one
of us. He didn't become an angel.
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Right, Jesus is not an angel
when never was an angel, regardless
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of what some false religions like who
is, who's witnesses teach that he's Michael,
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the Archangel. Yes, not what
the Bible teaches, that he's the
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eternal son that took on that became
human flesh. Right, and and so
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it again, it does show us
the humanity or the value of humanity.
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It shows us God's willingness to come
and to be a partaker in what we
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experience so that we can have,
as it says in Hebrews. Later on
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it says we have a high priest
that can sympathize with our weakness. He
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knows the stuff that we're going through. HMM, which is massively comforting for
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us to know that this eternal God
who, who, the Bible says,
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dwells an unapproachable light, who was
holly unapproachable in the sense that he is
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majesty and His glory will feel the
earth, but he stoops down, becomes
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a human being and allows us to
approach him. Yeah, it allows us
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to come into his presence and have
fellowship. But yeah, yeah, and
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you know, another thought that just
came to me as you were speaking was
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God, we are made in the
image of God and one of God's most
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obvious attributes is as creator. He
created the universe, he created all life,
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he created us. And when we
conceive children and there's this life growing
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within us and then eventually this life
comes forth into our actual world outside of
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the womb, I think we have
a small taste of what it is to
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create and to create something as miraculous
as life. We don't create it right.
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We conceive that that child God is
the creator of all life, but
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I think it gives us kind of
a little bit of an understanding of the
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magnificence of God, because I don't
know really any woman who has given birth
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who has not described it as utterly
miraculous. It is miraculous. It is
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what brought me to the Lord.
Honestly, was was the birth of my
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first son Onders that made me recognized
there has to be a God. And
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so I gues again. I going
back to why. Why? I know
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God usually doesn't answer wise, nor
do I need this answered, but it's
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something that's kind of interesting to think
about. Why did he bring Jesus to
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to Earth as an unborn child and
and to a moment of birth? And
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I think that that might be part
of the answer is understanding and us being
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able to understand a little bit more
about God. Yeah, yeah, well,
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you know, I think maybe,
hopefully you guys have your listening have
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joined in some of our ramblings and
are going on about the Christmas story and
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about the Majesty of God and the
Mercy of God coming in the likeness of
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sinful flesh. Hopefully this has been
a blessing to you. I want to
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end out, though, with a
you know, the holidays, Christmas time,
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is it awesome time to proclaim the
Gospel. Picture is and this passage
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in Luke in chapter two, as
I share with you this is one of
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my favorite of all time passage of
scripture. It's very, very short,
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so it's easy to memorize and it's
in Luke Chapter two, in verse fourteen,
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and this is the proclamation of the
heavenly host of the angels, and
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here's what they say. Glory to
God in the highest and on earth peace,
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goodwill toward man. And when I
read that scripture, actually I get
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till bumps a lot because I think
about when we see God in the Bible,
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when we see the majesty is a
described earlier the majesty, The holiness
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of this God, this God who
made everything, and this God who would
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be perfectly justified in, you know, wiping us all out. He did
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it in one time. He did
it with with the story of Noah and
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his family and save them, but
wiped out the rest of humanity, and
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he was perfectly justified in doing so. No one's his accuser. He did
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wrong, he did evil. People
try to be as accuser. He's God,
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he made everything. Yeah, he
has the the authority over everything.
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Right, and when his creation rebelled, agains him of that time. He
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wiped him out and it seems,
though, in that story, even God's
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will was a good will toward man. He makes the ark big enough.
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Every human being could have fitted that
thing and he offers. Noah was a
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preacher who offered, appealed, it
seemed. He built this art for a
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hundred, twenty years in the middle
of the desert as a testimony of the
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people. They could have come in
and got salvation, but they didn't.
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That ark was just a picture,
though, the foreshadowing of Jesus, who
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would be the Ark of salvation for
all of humanity that would come into him.
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And we see God through bringing Jesus
into this earth as the savior.
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Yeah, that was the proclamation of
the angel that came to marry. He
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will save his name will be Jesus, he will save them, as the
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proclamation the angel that came to Joseph. His name will be Jesus, for
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real save his people from their sins. We see in the Christmas story this
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glory to God in the highest.
So God is glorified in this story,
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but through his peace on earth and
goodwill toward man, that he has a
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good desire for lost humanity. And
Yeah, I think some of the Jews
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at the time of Jesus miss the
point that God's good will was not just
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toward the Jewish people but toward all
men, that all men would come into
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this this relationship with God through Christ
and could be saved. Yeah, but
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we see in this the disposition of
God towards humanity, toward lost, depraved,
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sinful humanity. was good that,
he said, the savior into the
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world, Jesus says, the son
of men comes to seek and to save
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that which is lost. And so
as we go through this Christmas season and
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we might buy presents and put up
our Christmas tree and all of that and
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celebrate Christmas and Christmas time and be
with family. We cannot forget God's desire
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toward all human beings to be saved. We can't forget, when we're with
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our family and people who are lost, to share with them the hope of
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Jesus Christ. We did a podcast
some weeks ago about how to share with
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your family members. If you haven't
listened to that, go back and listen
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to that, because I think it
will be massively helpful during this season to
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share with your family members. But
yeah, don't forget the reason. It's
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become a Cliche, the reason for
the season. It is Jesus Christ.
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We appreciate all those who listen.
Appreciate you guys joining in with us.
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always, we encourage you guys to
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where you can get trained and equipped to
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do sidewall counseling. We recently just
put an article out a hostage situation at
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the abortion center. They gives an
allegory of what we're dealing with and we're
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dealing with an abortion minded woman.
That we think would be a blessing to
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you guys, but we hope that
you're blessed about this podcast and hope that
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you continue to listen to future podcast
God, bless and Merry Christmas. Amen,
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use, mil use, give me. Will cost me my life,
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but nothing's too precious.