Dec. 18, 2019
The Incarnation of Jesus and What That Means For Prolife Ministry

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During the Christmas season, we focus a lot on the birth of Jesus. It's amazing to think that the eternal God dwelt in human flesh but it's true. Join Vicky and Daniel as they talk about the incarnation of Jesus and how that should affect our...
During the Christmas season, we focus a lot on the birth of Jesus. It's amazing to think that the eternal God dwelt in human flesh but it's true. Join Vicky and Daniel as they talk about the incarnation of Jesus and how that should affect our view of preborn children.
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I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours s and me,
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Lord, I am yours. Welcome
to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast,
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and this episode we're going to talk
about the incarnation of Jesus and the Christmas
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story and what that has to do
with pro life ministry. Hope you're blessed
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is you continue to listen, stay
tuned. I felt show passish touch your
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heart. Welcome to the Gospel Center
pro life podcast. Micky and I are
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here just talking through some things about
the incarnation of Jesus. It's Christmas time,
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it's the time that we celebrate the
birth of our Lord and Savior,
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Jesus, and we thought that there
are some theological and practical implications of the
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incarnation of Jesus, some things that
would bless you, guys, and some
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scriptures that we're going to talk about
that have to do with you know this.
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You know what I had said was
an unplanned pregnancy. Unplanned according to
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according to Mary. She certainly didn't
plan Jesus coming into her womb, right,
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but God did. So, yeah, there really are no unplanned pregnancies
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like ever, right according to God, but according to man there certainly are.
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We deal with those on a regular
basis and those who are in pro
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life ministry. That's what you deal
with, and unplanned pregnancies by but hopefully,
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as we as we talk through some
of this that has to do with
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the Christmas story and the incarnation of
Jesus, it'll have some application, thank
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you, will have some application to
just your daily ministry in your walk with
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the Lord. So so let's hop
into it. Yeah, well, I'll
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tell you when you introduce this subject
and said, what do you think about
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talking about this? My understanding and
how I view the Christmas story and the
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birth of Jesus and his incarnation it
has really changed over the past six years
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as I have been very involved in
in pro life ministry. So I look
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at I look at it with new
eyes and I look and it colors even
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how I look at the women who
are coming to abort their children. Okay,
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so I'm really glad that we're talking
about this because I think it's I
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think it's a very important story,
yeah, and truth for people in Pro
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Life Ministry to explore. Yeah,
and think about. Yeah, I think
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if we just sort of best we
can look back into history and look back
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into the story not just of Jesus, but the story of Mary herself.
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Yeah, I know one one movie
that we've watched as a family past couple
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of years and on if you've watched
this movie, but the Nativity story movie.
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It's sort of a modern movie.
I've when it was made in the
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tooth. I haven't seen it,
I've seen the advertisements. Yeah, yes,
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should, because it really brings you
back to that day and age.
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I think they do a really good
job of sort of laying out the historical
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picture of what it was like for
Mary and what she experienced. You know,
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the Romans were there, had control
over Israel and over Jerusalem and oppressing
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the people, and that was the
historical context that was Mary, that Mary
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was in. Also the Jewish context
there of what could potentially happen to an
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unwed woman who was pregnant. Yeah, and a lot of US know that.
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We've heard about. You know what
what Mary must had suffered and must
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had at least been thinking about in
the back of her mind while she's carrying
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this baby? Any what she may
have been thinking about whenever the angel came
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to her and told her that she
was going to conceive. Yeah, it
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can help us appreciate Mary and in
a hundred way. Yeah, second price
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that she made and willfully submitting.
We'll probably get into that scripture, hopefully
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in a little bit, about how
she willfully submits herself to this plan of
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God and it can have some application
to the some of the women that we
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deal with now quite a bit different
than Mary herself because she was pure and
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she was a virgin, but some
of the women that we deal with who
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are in difficult situations, she was
in a difficult situation that we deal with
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her, in dire situations, yeah, mostly because of their own sin.
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She certainly was not in her situation
because of her sin, but it can
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help us to because this is a
real world scenario. Yeah, and in
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Biblical text especially, we're looking at
a biblical stories. We can disconnect ourselves,
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I think, from the fact that
these are real people with real struggles
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and to try to just take our
minds back to that era and what she
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dealt with and kind of put ourselves
in that scenario, I think is helpful.
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Yeah, I s to Adnifi,
with with I agree. I sudrive,
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I'm working with a well, she's
I'm no longer working with her.
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She actually did not save her child. But a teen? Yeah, who?
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Who would have been about Mary's age? Okay, and when I you
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know, and I kept thinking as
I was reading through the the text,
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about when the angel came to Mary
and how she responded and, like you're
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saying, the the context, the
the world in which she lived, and
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then how the teen that that I
was working with, how she responded to
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the struggles and and it made Mary
more real to me and what happened in
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her life even more astonishing, and
the decisions that she made because she was
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young, right. Yeah, I
mean, what do they say? A
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young teen? Yeah, yes,
some folks say thirteen, fourteen, maybe
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fifteen years old. The scripture doesn't
say exactly how old she was, but
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the impasion is she was. Yeah, she was young. Yeah, but
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we know she's she's betrothed. So
she's engaged at to be married. She's
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a virgin. And can you imagine, I mean, being alone in your
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room and this stranger appears and an
angel? But yeah, and I don't
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know if she knew it was an
angel instantly. Maybe the text tells us,
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and I just don't remember, if
initially she knew. Yeah, well,
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I didn't say that in particular.
I'll read the text. Okay,
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let's do that and and we'll talk
about okay, yes, is in Luke,
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chapter one, okay, and it
says now in this is verse Twenty
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Six, Luke, Luke one hundred
and twenty six is where we'll begin.
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Down the six month. The Angel
Gabriel was sent by God to a city
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of Galilee named Nazareth, to a
virgin betrothed to a man whose name was
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Joseph of the House of David.
The Virgin's name was Mary and, having
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come in, the angel said to
her, rejoice, highly favored one,
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the Lord is with you, blessed
are you among women. But when she
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saw him she was troubled at his
saying, and consider what manner of greeting
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this was. So seems maybe she
didn't know it was an angel just so
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what are you thinking? Here's my
first question. What she thinking? There's
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a strange man, yes, standing
room saying you are highly favored. Yeah,
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well, at least he didn't,
he didn't speak angrily to her,
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apparently. Yeah, highly favored.
Since then the Lord said to her,
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do not be afraid, or the
angel, I'm sorry, said to her,
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do not be afraid Mary, for
you have found favor with God.
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Behold, you will conceive in your
womb and bring forth a son and she'll
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call his name Jesus. He will
be great and he will be called the
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son of the most high, the
Lord. God will give him the throne
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of his father David, and he
will reign over the House of Jacob forever
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in his kingdom, of his kingdom. There will be no end. And
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then Mary said to the angel,
how can this be, since I know
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no man? So here she has. He's having this exchange with this angel.
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He's told her a lot of stuff. He's not just given her a
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little a little picture of what's got. He's given her a sort of the
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big picture. This this she's been
given her that. He's even given her
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the name of this son that you're
going to conceive. And then this prophecy
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about him. He's going to rule
over his people. That the you know.
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You know the Kingdom is of his
kingdom there there's going to be no
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ends. You've got a king in
your womb. Let me ask you.
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I honestly I don't know the answer. I hope you do, but don't.
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Would Mary have been well versed enough
in scripture that would she have recognized
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that this was the angel was talking
about the Messiah. You know, I
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don't know actually, because I know
in that day and age, certainly they
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were Biblical text that were read and
they study the scriptures. Jewish people were,
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you know, made to study the
scriptures. Now, the peasants,
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I don't know that they would have
had that sort of knowledge, and especially
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a woman. In that day and
age they did not sew a lot into
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theologically and as far as the scriptures
concerned, into women. It was mainly
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men, young men were were trained
in the scripture. But her being a
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peasant, her being a woman,
she may not have. I don't know,
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maybe she would have. Presumably net
right, presumably she would have.
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You know, she probably celebrated Passover. Yeah, and and so there certainly
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is. Anyone celebrating Passover knows that
the Messiah's going to come. That's what
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they're they're waiting for. So I
just I wondered that if because she doesn't
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ask anything, at least it's not
recorded except one thing. How can this
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be done? Yeah, because I'm
a virgin. She doesn't ask unless you
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would think if there were other questions
it would have been recorded. Maybe not,
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but anyway, were you done reading
the yeah, yeah, maybe we'll
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kind of kind of Pauls right there. And because there's another big why the
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you know, why did God in
in all the ways that he could have
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sent the savior of the world to
Earth? Why as a little baby in
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the womb? Yeah, that is
a big question. You think about it,
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because as we think about Christmas and
we think about and maybe the theology
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of Christmas or whatever, we might
gloss over because we just this is the
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story that we know about RSIAH come. He came as a baby and whatever.
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Yeah, what we mayb don't put
thought to. Could he have come
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other ways? I. Could the
Messiah have come to this earth? You
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know, you mentioned, as we
talked about this before, that Adam was,
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seems to be a full grown human
being when he was put into this
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world. Right, right, could
in the Messiah? Couldn't Jesus have come
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as just a full grown man?
And I guess I don't see any theological
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reason why he couldn't have. In
the sense if that's what God intended,
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if that's how the son of God
was to come into the world, I
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guess he could have. Right.
He didn't. Yeah, he didn't.
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So they're in. You know,
we know nothings by accident. Right,
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God, God, the Eternal Plan
of God. This is his plan and
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and I think it. Well,
I guess we don't know. I think
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there are things that we can kind
of guess from, you know, make
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educated guesses. Yeah, I from
you digging in the scripture. We talked
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about some of these scriptures earlier and
he brews. Hebrews is rich and full
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of verses that talk about the humanity
of Jesus also about the divinity of Jesus.
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He brewises one of my favorite books
of the Bible, and Hebrews Chapter
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Two, in verse fourteen, which
is a scripture you mentioned to me earlier,
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and it says inasmuch as the children
have partaken of flesh and blood,
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he's talking about human beings partaken a
flesh and blood. He himself is talking
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about the son of God. Is
talking about Jesus here. If you read
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that larger context, he himself likewise
shared in the same the human flesh,
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flesh and blood that through death he
might destroy him who had the power of
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death, that is the devil.
And we can rabbit trail on that and
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do a big thing logical discussion about
that, but we won't do that.
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We'll keep reading that, maybe for
another podcast or for a theological podcast with
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this is a this is a prolife
podcast. That will try to keep it
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on that and release from those.
This is verse fifteen, through fear of
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death, where all the life,
all their lifetime, subject to bondage.
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For indeed, he does not give
to aid to angels. So he didn't.
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He wasn't born of an angel or
anything like that. He doesn't give
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aid to angels. He gives a
the implication is to human beings. But
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he does give aid to the seat
of Abraham. Therefore, in all things
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he had to be made like his
brethren. He had to be made like
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his brethren in all things and all
think that's critical. Yes, important thing
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that is. That is an important
point. That has especially as it has
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to do with human beings, a
human life and even conception, which will
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look at him just a little bit, that he might be a merciful and
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faithful high priests in things pertaining to
God, to make propagation for the sins
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of the people, for in that
he himself has suffered being tempted. He
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is able to aid those who are
tempted. Then I believe this thought continues
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on even into chapter four here in
a verse fifteen, and this is an
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important point. This is like,
this is phenomenal to me. This,
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this, this fact that the eternal
God would be a partaker of human flesh,
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would come in the filth, in
the in the in just the depravity
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of human society and humanness is amazing
to me and it shows the grace and
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the mercy of God. And in
Verse Fifteen, this is part of that
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says, for we do not have
a high priest who cannot sympathize with our
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weaknesses. Is talking about Jesus.
So our high priest. He can sympathize
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with our weaknesses. He's not so
distant so far that he doesn't know our
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struggles in the stuff that we're going
through. But here's the power point here
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of Verse Fifteen. But was tempted, or was in all things tempted,
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as we are, yet without sins, all the stuff that we experience as
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temptations, he himself experienced, he
submitted himself to those experiences. And again
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we can go on a theological rabbit
trail, and it would be a good
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one, that's to talk about temptation
and how Christ was tempted. How could?
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How could divinity be tempted? God
can't be tempted. And we getting
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all that in their other podcast for
that. Yeah, and people do with
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that. Subjects a good subject to
deal with. But yeah, but what
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we're talking about is the humanity that
Jesus took on. Yeah, and the
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experience that he had in temptation,
but also the experience that he had in
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the womb, in the womb,
and that's where, you know, my
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thoughts have really gone and since we
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he's in the womb and conceived.
The angels said that Mary would conceive right,
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and and so you know, presumably
from the moment of conception, Jesus
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is in the womb. Yeah,
and you know, develops as any baby
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in the womb develops. And what
there is a reason for that. We
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don't necessarily know the reason, but
we know God has a reason for that.
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And you know, some of the
thoughts that went through my mind was,
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well, number one, that there
are experiences in the womb that are
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essential, yeah, to being human
and and that Jesus, if he was
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going to be, what was the
word all that, that he was in
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all things that he became like us. Yeah, then that includes whatever these
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developmental things going on in the womb
that are critical for whatever, for whatever
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reason, so that he could fully
identify with us. And so it,
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you know, for part of the
reason, I think, is explained in
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the text, so that he would
fully identify with us. But I think
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something that you can you can surmise
based on this, is that God values
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that unborn child. Yeah, why
would he have brought his own son to
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Earth as an unborn child unless there
was value and an importance in that unborn
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child and the experience, yeah,
the womb. And it's in such sharp
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contrast to to what we see the
the value placed on the unborn child in
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an abortion minded world. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, world. I mean
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it's a culture of death that we
live in, where sort of abortion for
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some people is the default position.
Yeah, I mean, could you see
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Mary saying well to the Angel,
you know? Well, you know,
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it sounds like you mean well,
and I understand. You know, maybe
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you need a good vessel to carry
the baby Jesus in. But do you
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know my situation? Right? I'm
unmarried, I'm poor, I've got neighbors
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who might stone me for finding me
pregnant. I mean that was a real
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danger. It was a real dangerous
she could have died, she could have
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been killed for adultery. The betrothal
in that day was the same as as
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marriage in terms of faithfulness to,
you know, to your betrothed and and
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you know this young team. What
were her parents going to say? So
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you know the she faced some terrible, terrible things and and and she she
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still didn't challenge the angel and say
God must have it wrong. Yeah,
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in contrast to so many of the
an abortion minded woman, yeah, who
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is saying? This is the thing? Stay here, you say this statement
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here in Luke Chapter One, because
yet you do have that attitude. We're
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dealing with abortion mind of women's almost
like and on, since they recognize that
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God doesn't make mistakes, because we
ask them and they say, well,
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no, but stakes God. But
in this situation I think maybe he missed
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it. You know, it's kind
of what what they're saying when they're when
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they're willing to take the innocent life
of their baby, even though they know
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that it's wrong. Right. There's
almost no abortion minded woman that I've encountered
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that, at least in some measure, didn't agree that abortion is wrong.
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It's wrong, but there's always that
but attached to it. Right, yeah,
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but here in the story, in
Luke Chapter One, as the angel
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gives this, you know, this
proclamation of what a what's going on?
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And but what does Mary say?
She says in Verse Thirty, in Verse
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Thirty Seven, it says for with
God. This is as after she asks,
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how is it possible that I can
conceive, because I've never been with
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a man like I don't understand how
this is going to work. But she
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doesn't argue no, because the angel
answers for God, with God, nothing
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will be impossible. Then Mary said, behold the maid, servant of the
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Lord. Basically, I'm your servant. You know, if you say that's
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the right, that's God's plan,
then I'm beholding to it. Let it
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be to me according to your word. Let it be to me according to
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your word. One of the most
beautiful lines in sure picture, I think.
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Well, so to to not rabbit
trail but to debunking idea that I've
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heard. Some of our pro abortion
friends says like God raped Mary. Even
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heard that. That is I have. I have so ridiculous. It's like,
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okay, how blasphemous and how how
irreverent, if for you even to
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sacre even say that right. But
the fact is that married submitted herself to
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this by her own volition. The
plan was laid out. The Angel didn't
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just come and say you're already pregnant
and blah, blah, Blah Blah,
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and he said here's what's going to
happen, right, and it's possible.
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I mean, we don't see any
reason. There's no reason to believe that
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she would have been against this plan, because obviously God knew he was picking
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right. Her heart was prepared beforehand
and whatever. But she says, let
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it be according to your will.
She is bowing her wheel to the will
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of God. She said, if
that's God's plan, on submit myself to
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it. So this idea that sort
of God took advantage of her or something
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like that, is utterly ridiculous.
She, of her own volition, submitted
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herself to the plan of God.
She showed completely her faith was beautifully displayed
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in her trust. Yeah, and
her trusted. Okay, let it be
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done to me. I don't understand
it. I'm sure there was part of
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her that was thinking, I'm not
sure I like it. Because there's a
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lot of scary stuff I'm going to
face, but let it be done to
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me, as you have said.
So that the the true, the absolute
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trust, that that it was going
to be okay. Yeah, that she
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needed and wanted to submit to the
will of her heavenly father. And this
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remarkable. Yeah, it's markable.
It's amazing, especially again considering the scenario
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there and what could have happened to
her. She could have been stoned to
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deaths you could have been rejected by
the people who she loved the most,
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or family and whatever, even by
Joseph. We see it was a certainly
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temptation for Joseph, even though he
was a humble man. He was going
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to put her away secretly. He's
going to divorce her, you know,
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break off the the betrothal secretly.
But, but, but, it,
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that indicates that he didn't believe her
at first. Right, he clearly didn't
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believe her. I assume she went
and said this angel gave to my room
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and and this is what he told
me. Well, you know, again,
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putting yourself in that situation, who
would believe that? I wouldn't believe
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that, sure, man. Yeah, right, yeah, so he didn't
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initially and then what happens in angel
comes to him, right, yeah,
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dream is a matter of fact.
Actually are one of our pastors preached on
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this last Sunday where he talked about, you know, how God can speak
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through dreams, and God spoke to
Joseph. It says that the Lord came
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to him in a dream. Yeah, and and told him this plan.
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Yeah, and then Joseph again shows
the trust and the faith that that this
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revelation to him through the dream is
is true, yeah, and that he
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then is going to take on this
incredibly difficult situation. Yeah. Well,
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I'll read the passage jays Matthew and
verse, Chapter One, Verse Twenty.
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But while he thought about these things, where he's talking about putting a her
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away, secretly backing off the betrothing. But while he thought about these things,
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behold an angel of the Lord appeared
to him in a dream, saying
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Josephs of Joseph, Mary was in
this struggle, right, she was in
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the struggle in her heart of this
plan and how's this going to happen?
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And Oh, this anxiety involved in
her, but also there's some anxiety involved
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in Joseph. was. You don't
just get that he's he finds out about
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this, that she's pregnant, and
it's like, okay, that's a bad
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thing and he moves on. No, he's wrestling with he's struggling, he's
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probably having a hard time sleeping at
night because he loved this woman and in
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one sense it's going to put him
to shame because he's accused probably of having
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had sex with her prematurely, before
they actually were married, in the midst
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of the Betrothal, with the back, which of would have been shameful as
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right. Yeah, so he's accused
of that. Possibly he's also thinking,
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okay, who's been with my betrothed? Right, because I'm not the father
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he has, and so there's a
lot going on in his mind, right.
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He still obviously is a humble man, because he could have called it
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for her to be stoned immediately,
but he didn't. So he's contemplating these
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things as he thought about these things. That's what it says that angel came
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to him and dream saying, Joseph, son of David, do not be
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afraid to take Mary to you're you're
not be afraid to take you mary,
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your wife, for that which is
conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit
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and she will bring forth a son
and you will call his name Jesus,
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for he will save his people from
their sins. And so God reaffirms Joseph
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in the midst of this unplanned pregnancy, unplanned for Mary and for Joseph,
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speak to him in a dream,
the reaffirming this plan, that this is
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God's plan. It's unconventional according to
man, but it's God's way and it's
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God's plan. Yeah, and it's
what the whole Christmas story centers around.
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Yeah, yeah, which is Awesome
Plan of God. Yeah, and it
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follows a we mentioned this be earlier, that it follows God's kind of the
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way he works throughout the Bible is
he chooses. He seems to in many
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cases choose the weakest, the most
vulnerable nation people to promote his purpose.
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Yeah, and and I think Mary
is a perfect example. Yea, that,
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yes, we were talking this through. You mentioned, you know,
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God could have chosen a queen.
Yeah, I to have, yeah,
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Gina Palace and all the things that
you would need and all the baby supplies
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you'd need and, you know,
gold studded diapers and whatever. But you
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know, he this was a baby
born to a poor family that had to
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be wrapped in swaddling close so there's
no room, and could have chosen to
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for the s I had to come, you know, in as a full
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grown man. I guess he could
have chosen, if he was going to
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choose the baby route, he could
have chosen to have this baby born in
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a palace and all this. So
our wisdom and conventional wisdom is oftentimes not
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God's. With them, it's not
God's will. Often in front of the
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abortion center, do be here it
I can't have this baby. My situations
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too terrible. It's not the right
time. Yeah, and contrast that to
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marry. Well, it is their
situation really any worse than Mary's and most
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cases, honestly know, but ails
in comparison, because very few would be
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under threat of being stoned at that's
for sure. So you know another interesting
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passage that you're probably none. Yeah, let's we're not stone and I'm we
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guarantee. But but you know at
right after Mary and Joseph, Well,
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Mary has this encounter with the angel
then, I think it's in Luke one
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hundred and forty four where, and
it says that she hurries to her cousin
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Elizabeth. It uses the word hurries
after this. And and look at what
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happens in that passage because because,
I think again, it's so much speaks
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to me as someone in pro like
ministry. Okay, for indeed, as
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soon as the voice of this is
a luke one hundred and forty four,
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for indeed, soon is the voice
of your greeting sounded in my ears,
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the baby leaped in my womb for
joy. So this is Elizabeth, this
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is Mary. Had hurried to her
cousin Elizabeth's House and she's pregnant with Jesus
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at that point. Elizabeth is pregnant
with John The baptizer at that point,
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and when she heard Mary's Voice,
the baby apparently heard the voice to and
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leaped in the whom the babe leaped
in the womb? So a lot of
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things. First of all, she
hurries to Elizabeth, and actually it was
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actually my sister that mentioned this to
me, that you know, Elizabeth is
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here with basically an unplanned pregnancy herself. Yeah, right, she was.
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She was very surprised to because she
was old. Yeah, and so she
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didn't think that child bearing years were
over. Yeah. So look at the
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contrast here. Yeah, there's Mary, who's really too young, not married
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and totally not thinking I want to
have a baby. And then there's Elizabeth,
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who's past childbearing years, who's old, and who finds herself in this
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unplanned or unexpected, yeah, pregnancy. And and they come together and the
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two babies, unborn babies, two
of the most pivotal, important babies in
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history. Yeah, right. We've
got John The baptist. Yeah, Jesus
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said of John the Baptist that he
was the greatest, greatest of all the
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prophets. So there's no man born
that was greater than John The baptist.
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That was Jesus testimony later on in
his ministry. And he's coming as an
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unborn baby also. Yeah. And
and so here's this unborn John The baptist,
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who is going to Harold the coming
of the Messiah, and then the
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baby Jesus. And what happens when
they meet? And I know there's a
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meme out on facebook now which is
the first person to greet our Lord and
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Savior was an unborn baby. Yeah, it was John the Baptist in the
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womb of his mother, Elizabeth.
And what does he do? He the
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Scripture says, he leaps for joy. Yeah, and Elizabeth describes the baby
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as leaping for joy in her womb. That to me they clearly a little
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unborn baby is described as having emotion, yeah, and leaping for joy and
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greeting the savior of the world,
another unborn baby, and there's some obviously
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the the scripture says there's a recognition, yeah, be in these two babies,
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unborn babies. Yeah. So that
to me is like just again speaks
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of God's sacred value of the unborn
child and that there's a lot going on
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in that womb. That that some
of which we do know and and some
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of which we probably don't know.
Yeah, you know, one of the
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things that speaks to you. We've
mentioned before, I believe in previous podcast.
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We're sort of given an apologetic for
what the Bible says about unborn children.
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We mentioned the scripture. We mentioned
that word that used here, the
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Greek word that used in verse forty
four. The Babe leaped in the womb.
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That Greek word for babe. What's
the Greek word? Breafos, Brefsos,
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and that word is also used in
other passages to describe unborn children,
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but also born children. So the
Bible does not make a distinction, just
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like we don't. We say it's
a baby. When we look at an
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ultrasound, that's a baby, right, and when we hold an infant,
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we say that's a baby. Right. It's a word that sort of we
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use for all those things. Well, in fact, go back to I
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mean you don't have to turn back
there, but think about what the angel
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said. To marry, you will
conceive a son, yeah, right,
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yeah, a son, not a
Zygoat, yeah, not a Gambria,
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not, not an embryo, not
a clump of cells, but he gave
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personhood to that unborn baby. Yeah, from the earliest moment, you will
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bear a yeah, son. Yeah, you will conceive a son. So
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it wasn't she would bear a son. Right, she would conceive, right,
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a son. Yeah. So that
that at its smallest. Yeah,
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that sort of brings brings it around
in my mind, to a question that
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we talked about before we started the
podcast, which is when did Jesus take
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on human flesh? And I think
this is an important point. Yeah,
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it's like the son of God is
going to come and the likeness, as
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the Bible says in those at Philippians, and likeness and the likeness of sinful
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flesh he's going to come. Well, when did he take on this likeness
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of human beings? Yeah, when
did the son of God become human?
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And if we were to go and
one train of thought, who he became
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human? When he was born,
right when he passed through the birth canal,
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and that's when his humanity was was
in dued on him. That's one
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train of thought. But I think
the obvious biblical train of thought is at
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the moment of conception. I think
that's what the angel says. When the
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angel says conceive a son, I
think at conception you will conceive and that
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is your son. Yeah, and
that is Jesus, and that is when
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the eternal son of God. He's
got to recognize in in the scriptural context,
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that there is within the Godhead,
the Trinity, the Father, Son
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and Holy Spirit, all three,
or coeternal code, equal in power and
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in glory and in Majesty. Each
has a different role, right, the
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Holy Spirit has his role, the
son has his role and the father has
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his role, but the son of
God, in his role, comes in
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human flesh. The Jesus exists eternally, right, he always is. He's
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not a created being, right.
Yeah, he's not a creature. He
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is the eternal Sun, and so
he existed in eternity forever. But yet
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his humanity began in the womb of
Mary. His humanity, him taking on
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human flesh, happened at the moment
of conception, right yeah. And then
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we see in the Scripture and that
Hebrews Chapter two passage, that he took
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on this sinful flesh of that he
might are not sinful flesh in the likeness
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of sinful flesh, right, but
he was a partaker of flesh and blood,
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as it says at Hebrews passage,
so that he threw death. So
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his his flesh, he took on
so that he could ultimately lay it down
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and die. Right yeah, so
that he could destroy him who had the
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power of death, and the Bible
says that that is the devil, and
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also so that he can identify with
our humanity. Right right. So I
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don't know where, where and when
we want to get into this, but
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it's I think I just a really
was a good time. Wonderful. Point
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is also at the moment of conception, and I think this is fairly recent
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that scientists have discovered that and they've
got pictures of it. At the moment
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of conception. Conception, a meet
sperm and there's a flash of light in
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the WOMB. Yeah, a flash
of light. So you know, as
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I was thinking about that and looking
at the pictures, and there's pictures,
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you can absolutely can see these pictures
of this. Well, what is Jesus
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called? He's called the light of
the world, light of the world.
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And when God what was the first
words? Well, among the first words
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that God said, as he's creating
the universe, let there below, let
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there be light. And so,
you know, here's the the the conception
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of the savior of the world is, is a spark of light. Presumably,
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if that's true, of all babies
as they're born in the womb or
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as they're conceived in the womb,
and and so, you know, again,
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to me it speaks again of their
that moment of conception was supremely wonderful
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and all that follows to birth is
is wonderful and sacred and and so important.
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And then coming to the moment of
birth is, you know, again,
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the probably the pivotal physical event in
a human beings life. You're born,
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you physically enter, you leave the
womb and enter the world, and
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and and in so much of the
Bible. Nearly every physical event has a
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spiritual parallel, and you look at
that. The the description of when we
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come to faith. Is Born again, John Chapter three, and listen,
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and is born again, feign against
see the Kingdom of God. Yeah,
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the scripture that comes to mind is
in John, the Gospel John, in
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Chapter Fourteen. It starts out verse
one. Many of you guys probably know
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this passage. In the beginning was
the word, and the word was with
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God and the word was God.
So obviously showing the divinity of this one
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who's called the word, which is
obviously Jesus. And it talks about light
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in verse five and John Chapter One. The light shines in the darkness and
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the darkness does not comprehend it.
So that's along the lines of what what
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you're saying. He was, he
was the true light that came into the
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world. In verse fourteen that it
says the word became flesh, HMM,
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and dwelt among us. We beheld
his glory, the Glory as of the
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only begotten other father, full of
grace and truth. So this word,
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this this eternal word, who was
with God and was God, who,
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Bible says, all things were made
through him and without him, nothing was
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made. That was made so through
the eternal Sun all things were created.
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All things, all creation, flowed
from this uncreated son of God. But
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the word, this word became flesh, he took on flesh, and I
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think that says a couple of things. It says that God is willing to
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enter in to our humanity, to
enter into our experiences. So that's one
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thing. It enter into our mess. Yeah, man enter and enter into
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a sinful and deprave the world.
But the second thing it says is that
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God values human beings enough to do
that. Right, because he didn't do
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it, as we reread in that
Hebrews passage, for God does not give
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for he did it for the the
the the Sun. I think the word
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is does not give aid to angels. So it doesn't mean that God doesn't
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care about angels, but it's what
it's talking about. In in a salvific
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way. God does not intervene on
behalf of angels, he doesn't, but
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he does on behalf of fallen human
beings. He intervenes. He intervened in
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such a way that he became one
of us. He didn't become an angel.
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Right, Jesus is not an angel
when never was an angel, regardless
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of what some false religions like who
is, who's witnesses teach that he's Michael,
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the Archangel. Yes, not what
the Bible teaches, that he's the
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eternal son that took on that became
human flesh. Right, and and so
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it again, it does show us
the humanity or the value of humanity.
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It shows us God's willingness to come
and to be a partaker in what we
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experience so that we can have,
as it says in Hebrews. Later on
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it says we have a high priest
that can sympathize with our weakness. He
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knows the stuff that we're going through. HMM, which is massively comforting for
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us to know that this eternal God
who, who, the Bible says,
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dwells an unapproachable light, who was
holly unapproachable in the sense that he is
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majesty and His glory will feel the
earth, but he stoops down, becomes
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a human being and allows us to
approach him. Yeah, it allows us
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to come into his presence and have
fellowship. But yeah, yeah, and
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you know, another thought that just
came to me as you were speaking was
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God, we are made in the
image of God and one of God's most
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obvious attributes is as creator. He
created the universe, he created all life,
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he created us. And when we
conceive children and there's this life growing
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within us and then eventually this life
comes forth into our actual world outside of
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the womb, I think we have
a small taste of what it is to
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create and to create something as miraculous
as life. We don't create it right.
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We conceive that that child God is
the creator of all life, but
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I think it gives us kind of
a little bit of an understanding of the
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magnificence of God, because I don't
know really any woman who has given birth
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who has not described it as utterly
miraculous. It is miraculous. It is
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what brought me to the Lord.
Honestly, was was the birth of my
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first son Onders that made me recognized
there has to be a God. And
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so I gues again. I going
back to why. Why? I know
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God usually doesn't answer wise, nor
do I need this answered, but it's
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something that's kind of interesting to think
about. Why did he bring Jesus to
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to Earth as an unborn child and
and to a moment of birth? And
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I think that that might be part
of the answer is understanding and us being
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able to understand a little bit more
about God. Yeah, yeah, well,
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you know, I think maybe,
hopefully you guys have your listening have
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joined in some of our ramblings and
are going on about the Christmas story and
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about the Majesty of God and the
Mercy of God coming in the likeness of
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sinful flesh. Hopefully this has been
a blessing to you. I want to
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end out, though, with a
you know, the holidays, Christmas time,
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is it awesome time to proclaim the
Gospel. Picture is and this passage
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in Luke in chapter two, as
I share with you this is one of
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my favorite of all time passage of
scripture. It's very, very short,
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so it's easy to memorize and it's
in Luke Chapter two, in verse fourteen,
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and this is the proclamation of the
heavenly host of the angels, and
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here's what they say. Glory to
God in the highest and on earth peace,
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goodwill toward man. And when I
read that scripture, actually I get
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till bumps a lot because I think
about when we see God in the Bible,
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when we see the majesty is a
described earlier the majesty, The holiness
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of this God, this God who
made everything, and this God who would
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be perfectly justified in, you know, wiping us all out. He did
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it in one time. He did
it with with the story of Noah and
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his family and save them, but
wiped out the rest of humanity, and
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he was perfectly justified in doing so. No one's his accuser. He did
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wrong, he did evil. People
try to be as accuser. He's God,
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he made everything. Yeah, he
has the the authority over everything.
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Right, and when his creation rebelled, agains him of that time. He
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wiped him out and it seems,
though, in that story, even God's
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will was a good will toward man. He makes the ark big enough.
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Every human being could have fitted that
thing and he offers. Noah was a
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preacher who offered, appealed, it
seemed. He built this art for a
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hundred, twenty years in the middle
of the desert as a testimony of the
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people. They could have come in
and got salvation, but they didn't.
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That ark was just a picture,
though, the foreshadowing of Jesus, who
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would be the Ark of salvation for
all of humanity that would come into him.
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And we see God through bringing Jesus
into this earth as the savior.
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Yeah, that was the proclamation of
the angel that came to marry. He
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will save his name will be Jesus, he will save them, as the
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proclamation the angel that came to Joseph. His name will be Jesus, for
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real save his people from their sins. We see in the Christmas story this
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glory to God in the highest.
So God is glorified in this story,
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but through his peace on earth and
goodwill toward man, that he has a
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good desire for lost humanity. And
Yeah, I think some of the Jews
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at the time of Jesus miss the
point that God's good will was not just
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toward the Jewish people but toward all
men, that all men would come into
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this this relationship with God through Christ
and could be saved. Yeah, but
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we see in this the disposition of
God towards humanity, toward lost, depraved,
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sinful humanity. was good that,
he said, the savior into the
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world, Jesus says, the son
of men comes to seek and to save
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that which is lost. And so
as we go through this Christmas season and
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we might buy presents and put up
our Christmas tree and all of that and
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celebrate Christmas and Christmas time and be
with family. We cannot forget God's desire
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toward all human beings to be saved. We can't forget, when we're with
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our family and people who are lost, to share with them the hope of
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Jesus Christ. We did a podcast
some weeks ago about how to share with
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your family members. If you haven't
listened to that, go back and listen
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to that, because I think it
will be massively helpful during this season to
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share with your family members. But
yeah, don't forget the reason. It's
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become a Cliche, the reason for
the season. It is Jesus Christ.
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We appreciate all those who listen.
Appreciate you guys joining in with us.
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always, we encourage you guys to
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where you can get trained and equipped to
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do sidewall counseling. We recently just
put an article out a hostage situation at
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the abortion center. They gives an
allegory of what we're dealing with and we're
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dealing with an abortion minded woman.
That we think would be a blessing to
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you guys, but we hope that
you're blessed about this podcast and hope that
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you continue to listen to future podcast
God, bless and Merry Christmas. Amen,
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use, mil use, give me. Will cost me my life,
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but nothing's too precious.