The First Ever Abortion Pill Reversal

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.839 I am yours. I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life 2 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:10.070 podcasts and this episode we do an awesome interview with a doctor by the name 3 00:00:10.070 --> 00:00:14.189 of Dr Matt Harrison, who pioneered the abortion pool reversal procedure. He's going 4 00:00:14.230 --> 00:00:17.789 to talk about his background, some of the science behind the abortion poo reversal 5 00:00:17.989 --> 00:00:21.500 and how you can use this to minister at the abortion center. Stay tuned. 6 00:00:23.660 --> 00:00:36.329 I felt show passish touch your welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 7 00:00:36.409 --> 00:00:39.570 Appreciate you guys joining us and, as always, we appreciate if you 8 00:00:39.609 --> 00:00:43.250 guys would share this podcast, if you would leave us review, because we 9 00:00:43.329 --> 00:00:46.090 need reviews. We need some positive reviews. We've got a lot of negative 10 00:00:46.130 --> 00:00:50.719 reviews from some of our pro choice opposition. That's okay, you know, 11 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.479 we pray for them, but we want to hear what you guys think about 12 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:57.520 this podcast. We want you guys to share this podcast. We specifically focus 13 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:00.439 on people that are doing ministry on the sidewalks ad abortion centers. We want 14 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.590 to help, encourage and equip people that are doing that ministry, but also 15 00:01:04.269 --> 00:01:07.950 in pregnancy centers and in every other area of pro life ministry. Want to 16 00:01:07.989 --> 00:01:11.829 help encouraging equip people. So if you know people that would benefit from this 17 00:01:11.870 --> 00:01:15.469 podcast, please share this and please also reach out to us let us know 18 00:01:15.590 --> 00:01:19.140 subjects that you would like for us to cover. We have had a couple 19 00:01:19.180 --> 00:01:21.579 of people reach out to us and we've covered those subjects. Who Want to 20 00:01:21.620 --> 00:01:25.819 do that, and so I have here today we have kind of a special 21 00:01:25.859 --> 00:01:29.939 guest and a special podcast. I've got Dr Matt Harrison here, who is 22 00:01:30.140 --> 00:01:34.250 really one of the poneers in the abortion pill reversal procedure. So he's going 23 00:01:34.290 --> 00:01:37.450 to talk about that. He's going to talk about some of the things that, 24 00:01:37.530 --> 00:01:40.969 hopefully, within this world of fault, will help equip you guys on 25 00:01:41.049 --> 00:01:45.209 the sidewalk and in a pregnancy center setting, or whatever that's setting might be. 26 00:01:45.769 --> 00:01:48.280 So we're going to talk about the abortion pill. Took a little bit 27 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:52.640 about how that works, about how the abortion pill reversal procedure works. Anything 28 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.400 you want to jump in and say, Vicky, before we introduce Dr Matt? 29 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.040 Well, just that it is a common misperception that once they have the 30 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.430 abortion it's done with, and that's of course true with surgical but with a 31 00:02:04.590 --> 00:02:07.710 pill abortion it can be reversed and just knowing that and knowing some of the 32 00:02:07.870 --> 00:02:13.509 details about that, I think are really critical in our work as sidewalk counsel. 33 00:02:13.669 --> 00:02:16.500 So we are delighted to have Dr Matt here. Yeah, it's gonna 34 00:02:16.539 --> 00:02:20.780 be Awesome, Dr Matt, for quite a few years. Yeah, years 35 00:02:20.780 --> 00:02:23.300 it's been at this point, but yeah, a while. But go ahead 36 00:02:23.340 --> 00:02:25.819 and give a little introduction of yourself, Dr Matt, and just little be 37 00:02:25.939 --> 00:02:30.650 your background and your involvement in pre life work and things like that. Okay, 38 00:02:30.729 --> 00:02:32.889 thanks, really great to be here today, guys. I love this 39 00:02:34.009 --> 00:02:38.050 format because it gives us a chance to really delve deeper into these topics and 40 00:02:38.169 --> 00:02:40.930 not just scratch the surface, which sometimes that can be dangerous. But if 41 00:02:40.969 --> 00:02:46.039 we get deeper and talk about the science, it's really you know, it's 42 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:50.560 really great to be able to back up what we're doing, yeah, in 43 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.840 a scientific way, so and make people feel comfortable about promoting this on the 44 00:02:54.919 --> 00:03:00.349 sidewalks. So I got I moved to Charlotte in two thousand and one met 45 00:03:00.430 --> 00:03:04.870 a good friend of y'all's, Flip Benham. Yeah, shortly they're after he 46 00:03:04.990 --> 00:03:10.389 really challenged me to become more active and my pro life walk. I was 47 00:03:10.469 --> 00:03:14.819 pro life at the time, but wasn't really doing a whole lot about it 48 00:03:14.979 --> 00:03:19.939 other than in my practice. We had a practice that was support, starting 49 00:03:19.979 --> 00:03:23.659 to support abortion vulnerable women, women who had come from the sidewalk. So 50 00:03:23.740 --> 00:03:29.650 we'd give them free prenatal care and delivery services and and then we got active 51 00:03:29.689 --> 00:03:35.810 with the crisis pregnancy centers close by. So so that's kind of how I 52 00:03:35.969 --> 00:03:39.569 came to Charlotte. I have a beautiful wife, Kathleen, who is faithful 53 00:03:39.810 --> 00:03:46.680 and support. I couldn't do even ninety percent of what I do without without 54 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:51.199 her support. Cost of support, yeah, and back up. And she 55 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:57.710 and I've raised seven fantastic kids, wow, and and many of them will 56 00:03:57.789 --> 00:04:03.110 come down intermittently to the abortion clinic and prey and and so that was has 57 00:04:03.189 --> 00:04:09.150 always kind of been a part of their life as well. So the the 58 00:04:09.349 --> 00:04:15.020 abortion pill reversal ministry really just kind of came out of the blue and in 59 00:04:15.300 --> 00:04:20.860 two thousand and six yeah, I was at my clinic in concord at the 60 00:04:20.939 --> 00:04:25.689 time. I was doing full range family practice medicine with a statricks as well, 61 00:04:26.529 --> 00:04:29.769 and I was involved in the crisis pregnacy center and a young lady had 62 00:04:30.290 --> 00:04:34.209 gone to the abortion one of the abortion centers here in Charlotte. They're three 63 00:04:34.290 --> 00:04:40.120 of them and she had been pressured by our boyfriend to have an abortion. 64 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:42.519 She really didn't want to do it. She is raised in a Christian home 65 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.560 and they didn't let her get to see hear the heartbeat. Yeah, we're 66 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:51.480 see anything on the ultrasound. But they gave her the abortion pill and told 67 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:57.670 her to swallow it and said, you know, take the other pills two 68 00:04:57.709 --> 00:05:00.829 days later to complete the abortion. So she went out in the parking lot 69 00:05:00.990 --> 00:05:05.310 and just was, you know, completely distraught about what she had done. 70 00:05:05.310 --> 00:05:11.180 Right regretted it immediately. She couldn't make herself throw up or anything to try 71 00:05:11.180 --> 00:05:15.300 to get rid of the medication. So she went home and just essentially cried 72 00:05:15.339 --> 00:05:18.300 about it for twenty four hours and then finally told her mother. Now her 73 00:05:18.620 --> 00:05:21.689 boyfriend had said, you know, if your parents find out that you're pregnant, 74 00:05:21.889 --> 00:05:25.930 they're going to kick you out, you're not going to be successful at 75 00:05:25.970 --> 00:05:28.769 school, you're gonna have to drop out of your program. They he kind 76 00:05:28.769 --> 00:05:31.410 of threatened her with all these different things. Yeah, but her parents were 77 00:05:31.810 --> 00:05:36.399 good Christian, supportive parents. Immediately they said we will do whatever we can 78 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:43.079 to help our grandchild. Wow, and they immediately, you know, recognize 79 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:48.120 the personhood of that baby that she was carrying it and supported her. So 80 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:54.990 they took her to the Kabarus crisis pregnacy in her combers women's center. Yeah, 81 00:05:55.269 --> 00:05:58.110 and I was on the board at the time, and so they called 82 00:05:58.269 --> 00:06:00.470 me and said, you know, we have this young lady who's taking the 83 00:06:00.509 --> 00:06:02.589 abortion pill. What can we do? And I said, well, I've 84 00:06:02.629 --> 00:06:08.339 no idea, go ahead and send her over. Yeah, so she's they 85 00:06:08.420 --> 00:06:12.860 sent her over and you know, this is around lunchtime on, I guess, 86 00:06:12.899 --> 00:06:15.740 a Thursday. I think a Thursday, and I really had no idea 87 00:06:15.740 --> 00:06:18.329 what to do. She had taken the bill about thirty six hours prior to 88 00:06:18.410 --> 00:06:23.649 that. And you know, this is not the kind of thing they teach 89 00:06:23.649 --> 00:06:26.649 you how to do in medicals, know how to reverse an abortion or what 90 00:06:26.730 --> 00:06:30.810 to do in a case like this. But you know, I was raising 91 00:06:30.850 --> 00:06:34.199 a family of you know, a lot of people are engineers and carpenters and 92 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.680 construction people and people who figure things out. Oh yeah, and so it's 93 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.959 always just kind of, I think, ingrained in me to try to figure 94 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:45.959 things out. And so I told her I just have to think about this 95 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.029 I stepped out of the room and literally went into my office across the hallway, 96 00:06:48.069 --> 00:06:50.629 prayed about it, started thinking about the you know, looking at the 97 00:06:50.670 --> 00:06:58.509 physician desk referns about how the abortion pill works. And we were doing fertility 98 00:06:58.509 --> 00:07:04.379 treatments in our office at the time to help women who had low progesterone and 99 00:07:04.899 --> 00:07:10.540 they would have frequent miscarriages, that have short cycles and frequent miscarriages. So 100 00:07:10.579 --> 00:07:14.579 we had progester and available in the office and my partner in the practice, 101 00:07:14.620 --> 00:07:19.850 Danny Holland have was a certified consultant, fertility consultant for doing this what's called 102 00:07:19.889 --> 00:07:26.850 nap technology, and and so you know really what you know. Justin reader 103 00:07:27.050 --> 00:07:29.930 likes to say that I had a god download and that's what it felt like. 104 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.040 You know, it felt like a download, it felt like a light 105 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.800 went off. I was like, you know it, are you forty six 106 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:43.160 blocks the progesterone receptor. It's starves the placenta of nutrients, of blood circulation. 107 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:45.829 That's the abortion pill, you're saying. Yes, right. So the 108 00:07:45.910 --> 00:07:50.069 are you forty six is kind of a scientific name or research name for the 109 00:07:50.110 --> 00:07:56.470 abortion pill. The brand or the name that is common use as mythopristone, 110 00:07:57.189 --> 00:08:01.779 and so methapristone is the abortion pill is already forty six and that blocks the 111 00:08:01.860 --> 00:08:07.339 progesterone receptor. And I done a lot of research in protein receptor biology. 112 00:08:07.819 --> 00:08:15.009 I got two masters in protein receptor biology and I've done research in rat brain 113 00:08:16.490 --> 00:08:20.009 receptors and it published in the field and I start thinking, you know, 114 00:08:20.529 --> 00:08:26.639 it just simple biology. If you have the abortion pill which is blocking the 115 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:33.679 progesterone receptor, if we put in more progesterone and try to outcompete that, 116 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:39.759 are you forty six the abortion pill? Then we might be able to outdo 117 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:46.190 it and reactivate the the receptor so that we can restore the blood flow to 118 00:08:46.309 --> 00:08:50.149 the placenta and support the baby. Yeah, so are you forty six? 119 00:08:52.470 --> 00:08:56.220 Is a tight binder, binds about twice as strongly as progesterone does to the 120 00:08:56.700 --> 00:09:03.539 to the receptor, and so we figured if we give her extra progesterone, 121 00:09:03.940 --> 00:09:07.419 and that's not a one and done like, it doesn't lock on and then 122 00:09:07.460 --> 00:09:11.009 never release. It's always in a state of flux, and so at any 123 00:09:11.090 --> 00:09:16.690 given time a receptor is binding. Are you forty six, and releasing it 124 00:09:16.049 --> 00:09:20.289 okay, but it's in a state of flux. And so if we just 125 00:09:20.409 --> 00:09:26.080 put in more progesterone, then there's a better chance that a good key that 126 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:33.559 will turn into that lock and activate the receptor will support that pregnancy. And 127 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.789 so a gay at explain this to or now. PROGESTERONE has been used safely 128 00:09:37.909 --> 00:09:43.629 in women that are pregnant for fifty years. Yeah, no bad side effects, 129 00:09:43.750 --> 00:09:48.429 no scary side effects, especially in the doses that we use, which 130 00:09:48.429 --> 00:09:54.419 are really essentially biologically identical levels. Yeah, to what is is normally in 131 00:09:54.460 --> 00:10:00.500 a woman's system. So in a lot of obgy in offic has they give 132 00:10:00.899 --> 00:10:07.370 Debo Pervara shots. These are long acting progesterone shots that are extremely high dose 133 00:10:07.850 --> 00:10:13.649 progesterone that stop ovulation. Yeah, they can also cause miscarriages bout creating an 134 00:10:13.370 --> 00:10:18.370 a bad environment for a baby that's going to implant, but the main way 135 00:10:18.409 --> 00:10:22.519 they work is by preventing ovulation. But these are very high doses of progesterone 136 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.000 and the American College of Obstritions, and God in College, is support the 137 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:33.200 use of this. Yeah, but it has lots of problems with clotting, 138 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:39.149 lots of problems with osteoporosis and other side effects, and so we don't use 139 00:10:39.190 --> 00:10:46.429 high, high doses of progesterone. We use biodentical progesterone and essentially what we've 140 00:10:46.429 --> 00:10:50.139 been working on using just enough to be able to reverse smorry forty six. 141 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:54.059 So basically you're just saying that the dose of progesterone that's use any abortion people 142 00:10:54.059 --> 00:10:58.379 reversal would be similar to what a woman's body would produce correct being pregnant and 143 00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:03.570 without the yeah, counteraction of the myphopriston right. So we're increasing it a 144 00:11:03.610 --> 00:11:09.610 little bit, but not like twenty or a hundred drives as much. So 145 00:11:11.169 --> 00:11:13.889 I explain this to her. I said, you know, you know this 146 00:11:13.090 --> 00:11:18.409 does carry some risk because you know this is not something that's been done before. 147 00:11:18.409 --> 00:11:22.519 Yeah, this is two thousand and six. And I said it could 148 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:28.679 cause you not to release the baby and the baby could stay inside of you 149 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.080 longer and we have to watch you very closely to make sure that you don't 150 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.950 get infected. Yeah, and hat are carrying, you know, a baby 151 00:11:35.029 --> 00:11:39.590 that's passed and then not able to get it, get the baby out, 152 00:11:39.710 --> 00:11:43.950 and that could cause problems for her. And so we knew that going in 153 00:11:46.190 --> 00:11:48.580 and so I talked to her and she said absolutely, I want to try 154 00:11:48.620 --> 00:11:52.820 this. Yeah, I will do whatever it takes to save my baby. 155 00:11:52.860 --> 00:11:56.340 And as as a physician who's done a lot of ear work and I work 156 00:11:56.419 --> 00:12:03.169 in critical care and I do I get into situations where people are dying, 157 00:12:03.169 --> 00:12:09.169 yeah, actively dying. Sometimes you have to do whatever you can too, 158 00:12:11.210 --> 00:12:13.889 in some of these things are not protocols. Got To think outside we got 159 00:12:13.009 --> 00:12:16.559 to think outside the box exactly, and so you have to be creative and 160 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.559 you have to think, you know, what can I do? I mean 161 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:26.480 I've used different types of tubes that were available at the time to place into 162 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.879 a patient so that they could breathe, rather than tracheostomy too. Yeah, 163 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.909 I mean, is that FD approved? Will know, but I had to 164 00:12:31.950 --> 00:12:35.509 do that to keep that person alive. Yeah, so this is kind of 165 00:12:35.509 --> 00:12:39.149 the state we're in. We have a patient who is literally dying in front 166 00:12:39.190 --> 00:12:43.429 of me, the baby. Yeah, and the mother is really wanting to 167 00:12:43.549 --> 00:12:46.700 save the baby. I'm not going to just say sorry, there's nothing I 168 00:12:46.779 --> 00:12:50.820 can do. So we decided to proceed with the progesterone shot. So we 169 00:12:50.860 --> 00:12:56.059 gave her two hundred milligrams of an injection and we're going to see her the 170 00:12:56.100 --> 00:12:58.649 next week so that that week end, is a Friday night. She called, 171 00:12:58.769 --> 00:13:05.529 she said she's starting to bleed. Yeah, and we said and of 172 00:13:05.610 --> 00:13:07.250 course, before we did that, we made sure that her baby was still 173 00:13:07.529 --> 00:13:13.600 living. Yeah, we found a heartbeat and she said they that she was 174 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:18.519 starting to Blee. So we're really afraid that the abortion was happening. There's 175 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:20.759 nothing we could do. Yeah, but we were you know, we knew 176 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.639 the guys at the emergency room, we knew the doctors that worked there, 177 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:26.870 they knew how we practice medicine. So we sent it to the emergency room 178 00:13:28.870 --> 00:13:33.990 and so they saw her and they did an ultrasound and she got to visually 179 00:13:35.029 --> 00:13:39.309 see her baby for the first time. Yeah, and see that heart fluttering. 180 00:13:39.389 --> 00:13:41.620 And she said, if that's all that I'd gotten out of it, 181 00:13:41.700 --> 00:13:43.740 I would have been excited because I actually got to see my baby. who 182 00:13:45.139 --> 00:13:48.860 how old was the baby shows, right at eight weeks. Okay, yeah, 183 00:13:48.899 --> 00:13:54.500 right at eight weeks. So, but the bait in the baby's heart 184 00:13:54.580 --> 00:13:58.289 was beating. So the doctors thankfully said go home and hope for the best. 185 00:13:58.610 --> 00:14:01.610 I know many doctors in that situation would have said, Oh, let's 186 00:14:01.649 --> 00:14:05.090 call it would be and go get a DNC. Yeah, because this baby's 187 00:14:05.129 --> 00:14:09.480 doomed, right, but espacially, knowing that she taking the abortion pill exactly. 188 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.360 And you know, doctors are very afraid of liability. They're afraid, 189 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.879 you know, if a baby has a bad outcome or if a baby, 190 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:22.440 you know, is you know, has something wrong, that they're going to 191 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:24.909 get sued. It's some point. All those risks were clearly laid out for 192 00:14:26.029 --> 00:14:28.669 her like right, the risk, of course, to her, like you 193 00:14:28.870 --> 00:14:31.269 just talked about, but also the risk to the baby, because this is 194 00:14:31.309 --> 00:14:33.389 unknown. This is like didn't know, we don't know it's right. Didn't 195 00:14:33.429 --> 00:14:39.299 know. So so she went home and stopped bleeding. They did see what's 196 00:14:39.340 --> 00:14:45.139 called a choreonic CIST, a little hemorrhage cyst on her, on her Placena, 197 00:14:45.740 --> 00:14:50.700 but healed up. Does essentially, if our forty six is working, 198 00:14:50.940 --> 00:14:56.330 that cysts would get bigger and bigger and bigger than you the placenta would separate 199 00:14:56.409 --> 00:14:58.330 away. Yeah, can I ascu DECIS. So does that cyst form? 200 00:14:58.370 --> 00:15:03.529 Because she had taken the abortion pillars. That something that can happen at any 201 00:15:03.610 --> 00:15:07.879 time. It can happen in even in normal pregnancies. I can happen sure. 202 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.480 So she went home, she came back Monday and we checked the heartbeat 203 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:18.159 and the baby still living and she wasn't bleeding bleeding anymore. So we kept 204 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:24.549 giving her progester and two hundred milligrams twice a week up until we went far 205 00:15:24.669 --> 00:15:28.029 into pregnancy because we didn't really know exactly how long we need to support it 206 00:15:28.070 --> 00:15:31.429 back then. And so we are into the into the twenty some weeks, 207 00:15:31.470 --> 00:15:35.190 and we were checking her progesterone levels to make sure that she was matching and 208 00:15:35.269 --> 00:15:37.700 being where she need to be. Yeah, and then we're able to stop 209 00:15:37.740 --> 00:15:41.899 the injections and rite at forty weeks she had a beautiful little girl named Kaylee. 210 00:15:43.019 --> 00:15:48.980 Yeah, perfectly healthy. Placena was healthy and now Kaylee is. She's 211 00:15:50.009 --> 00:15:54.409 born in two thousand and seven. So she is now one of the math 212 00:15:54.570 --> 00:15:58.929 is fourteen year the doctors is fourteen years old. Don't ask me to spend 213 00:15:58.210 --> 00:16:02.370 and don't ask me to do math. So during that whole time period, 214 00:16:02.490 --> 00:16:06.320 were you doing ultrasounds and looking at the development of the baby? Does see 215 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.240 and the baby is was progressing just perfectly fine. No issue, shoes said, 216 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:12.840 always use. Wow, no issues. Yeah, so I want to 217 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:17.679 kind of if we can will it back. I think it's good for us 218 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:19.590 to have a story and kind of a storyline to work with and people to 219 00:16:19.629 --> 00:16:22.590 see that like this thing actually played out. And it's not the only time. 220 00:16:22.669 --> 00:16:26.350 This is like the first time it's happened as far as we know, 221 00:16:26.990 --> 00:16:30.909 but we've seen this happen a bunch where, you know, over the years, 222 00:16:30.149 --> 00:16:33.299 I don't know how many babies have been saved through the abortion peel reversal 223 00:16:33.460 --> 00:16:37.059 procedure. You know how over two Tho. Yeah, amazing. So this 224 00:16:37.299 --> 00:16:41.179 story has played out time and time again. But let's will it back to 225 00:16:42.220 --> 00:16:45.980 just some of the basics of how the abortion pill works, just so those 226 00:16:47.019 --> 00:16:51.450 folks who are ministering can explain this, because there is a lot of there's 227 00:16:51.450 --> 00:16:55.009 a lot of misunderstanding, like I mentioned before we started recording, even talking 228 00:16:55.090 --> 00:17:00.250 to pretty season pro life people, there's this conflation of the abortion pell procedure 229 00:17:00.730 --> 00:17:03.879 and the morning after pills. That's one thing, and there's also this idea 230 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.920 that the abortion pill it's just it's just one peel, but it's actually an 231 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:10.759 abortion pel procedure. Right. It's to medications. Talk a little bit about 232 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:14.160 you already talked about Metha Priston, but talk about kind of how the procedure 233 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:17.869 works, time frames and things like that, if you can sure so, 234 00:17:18.589 --> 00:17:27.269 mythoprist own are ready forty six abortion pill was was approved in two thousand, 235 00:17:27.309 --> 00:17:32.259 I believe. It was for use in the United States up to seven weeks 236 00:17:32.259 --> 00:17:42.980 of pregnancy and at six hundred milligram dose. Shortly they're after doctors started using 237 00:17:44.019 --> 00:17:47.569 it off label. Okay, and they were using it at lower and lower 238 00:17:47.690 --> 00:17:52.170 doses down to two hundred milligrams, and they're using it at hiring higher gestational 239 00:17:52.170 --> 00:17:57.089 ages up to ten weeks. Okay. And now I've seen, I've had 240 00:17:57.170 --> 00:18:00.400 patients come and say they've got it thirteen weeks. Wow, I'm just crazy. 241 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.079 I mean that's a big baby. Yeah, it's a big baby. 242 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:11.279 And then so what they do is they take the two hundred Milligram Mytho Pris 243 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:18.950 stone and then one to two days later they take eight hundred micrograms of CIDOTECH 244 00:18:18.990 --> 00:18:23.670 or Mesa pristall, which is a medicine that causes the uterus to contract. 245 00:18:23.710 --> 00:18:32.299 Yeah, and that they expel the baby and placenta and all the products of 246 00:18:32.339 --> 00:18:36.099 conception, and they do that at home. Yeah, so they watch them 247 00:18:36.180 --> 00:18:38.539 take the pill, then they give them the medicine to go home or in 248 00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:42.849 a hotel room. Yeah, and if any of Youall had seen the movie 249 00:18:44.569 --> 00:18:48.970 UN planned, yeah, you know, that gave a pretty accurate description, 250 00:18:49.009 --> 00:18:53.490 or you know, of how it plays out. Yeah, we're how it 251 00:18:53.529 --> 00:18:59.839 can. It can be, you know, quite bloody and very distressful to 252 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:06.640 the woman that's going through this. So and then and often they're left alone 253 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.470 to go through that, which is, you know, which is horrible and 254 00:19:10.630 --> 00:19:14.589 really not good healthcare, right. Yeah, and so this is one of 255 00:19:14.630 --> 00:19:17.269 the problems we can talk about. Tell a medicine, tell him. Yet 256 00:19:17.309 --> 00:19:18.630 they want to touch on that, because I've been getting a lot of questions 257 00:19:18.710 --> 00:19:23.900 for people about that's going to be. FDA just approved the use of Mephopriston, 258 00:19:25.460 --> 00:19:27.500 like over telemed and all this. Like what does what does that mean? 259 00:19:27.940 --> 00:19:30.740 I actually, you know, dug and try to figure out what that 260 00:19:30.819 --> 00:19:36.259 actually means, and my understanding is it's potentially like a state by state decision. 261 00:19:36.299 --> 00:19:40.450 Or is that like a woman can now just call up plant parenthood and 262 00:19:40.490 --> 00:19:41.609 say, yeah, want the abortion peels? So maybe you could touch on 263 00:19:41.730 --> 00:19:45.490 that as you're kind of talking about all this. Yeah. So, I 264 00:19:45.609 --> 00:19:48.490 mean we go ahead and talk about the Tele Medicine. I mean tell medicine 265 00:19:48.529 --> 00:19:53.519 has been done in the past in distributing certain medications in the way they do 266 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:56.960 it. You can imagine someone up in Alaska where they don't have a doctor 267 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:00.640 but they have a clinic where a patient goes into. They might have a 268 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.400 nurse or they might have a nurse practitioner or a physician assistant or someone like 269 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:10.470 that, and they literally will have a computer sitting on a desk and the 270 00:20:10.589 --> 00:20:14.990 desk will have a locked drawer, okay, and so the doctor on the 271 00:20:15.029 --> 00:20:18.349 computer will interview the patient and then they'll push a button, the drawer open 272 00:20:19.309 --> 00:20:23.259 and the medicine is dispensed to the patient. Okay, so that's kind of 273 00:20:23.299 --> 00:20:30.619 how the logistics work of it. In in a tele medicine abortion it'd be 274 00:20:30.740 --> 00:20:34.380 similar to that. But they should be doing, even according to their own 275 00:20:34.619 --> 00:20:38.250 rules, ultrasounds. Yeah, so they'd have to have someone to do an 276 00:20:38.250 --> 00:20:44.930 ultrasound and to make sure that there's not an ectopic pregnancy, and ectopic pregnancy 277 00:20:45.450 --> 00:20:48.849 is a pregnancy that occurs outside of the womb. Sometimes that's in a tube, 278 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:56.440 sometimes it's in the vagina, sometimes it's in the cervix, sometimes it's 279 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.160 in the abdomen. Yeah, it can be a bunch of different places and 280 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:06.789 if you try to give someone the abortion pill when they have an ectopic pregnancy, 281 00:21:07.789 --> 00:21:12.470 then that could obviously lead to their death. Yeah, if you similarly, 282 00:21:12.509 --> 00:21:17.509 if you reverse a pregnancy, that is a topic that is dangerous. 283 00:21:17.509 --> 00:21:22.420 Yeah, and the person who has an ectopic pregnancy needs specialized care shore take 284 00:21:22.460 --> 00:21:26.099 care of that surgical situation. How does want to mention we did have a 285 00:21:26.220 --> 00:21:30.700 situation, I believe was back in two thousand and six or seven, with 286 00:21:30.859 --> 00:21:33.369 one of the doctors here locally, Dr Ron Vermont. I don't know if 287 00:21:33.410 --> 00:21:38.410 you're marvious, but he actually did that very thing, gave the abortion pill 288 00:21:38.650 --> 00:21:42.170 to a young lady who had an ectopic pregnancy, and our understanding is just 289 00:21:42.210 --> 00:21:47.160 a little investigation we've done, she did die. Her flippian two ruptured and 290 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.839 she bled to death because of just what you're talking about. Yeah, because 291 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.359 even if you were too, even if the bay were to die, which 292 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:59.559 they typically always will, and an ectopic prenancy anyway, you still have that 293 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:03.750 ectopic pregnancy there, that that is a growth that has increased blood. So 294 00:22:03.869 --> 00:22:07.789 apply that can rupture. Yeah, and that can get infected and the patient 295 00:22:07.829 --> 00:22:11.789 can die. So it's really essentially a surgical emergency, yes, to be 296 00:22:11.869 --> 00:22:17.660 taken care of. So so that's one of our big concerns with telemedicine is 297 00:22:17.660 --> 00:22:22.579 it's going to be marketed to people who are nowhere near a doctor, yeah, 298 00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:26.140 or a hospital, yeah, or a clinic, and they're going to 299 00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:30.009 be given abortion pills and we've already seen in their own studies that, especially 300 00:22:30.049 --> 00:22:34.809 if they don't take the second part of the abortion procedure, the CIDOTECH, 301 00:22:36.329 --> 00:22:41.289 then they can have dangerous and deadly bleeding. Yeah, so you're so these 302 00:22:41.369 --> 00:22:47.039 doctors that are going to do tele medicine abortions are going to give methopristone, 303 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.240 the abortion pill, to women who are way out in the middle of nowhere 304 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:55.839 with no access to surgeries or hospitals or emergency rooms, and they're counting on 305 00:22:55.920 --> 00:23:00.430 them to take a second the second dose that's going to increase the the contractions 306 00:23:00.869 --> 00:23:06.509 and expel all the products and stop the bleeding. But they're I mean, 307 00:23:07.230 --> 00:23:11.589 I've been practicing medicine for almost twenty five years and there's some patients who either 308 00:23:11.630 --> 00:23:17.660 don't know how to take messine correctly or lose medicine or their dogate it or 309 00:23:17.900 --> 00:23:21.779 something happens. You know, and this is very dangerous procedure, a really, 310 00:23:22.099 --> 00:23:26.099 I mean dangerous beyond, you know, even what they're currently doing, 311 00:23:26.259 --> 00:23:29.690 which is dangerous enough. Well, even you introduced it saying, you know, 312 00:23:29.849 --> 00:23:33.210 we in a normal procedure. They must do an ultrasound, they must 313 00:23:33.210 --> 00:23:36.369 see where that baby is. So so and you said. So they would 314 00:23:36.369 --> 00:23:38.490 have to get to an ultrasound, but they're not right with tell them at 315 00:23:38.529 --> 00:23:42.480 to said. Know, how on earth is that going to be? They 316 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:48.319 have to go someplace to get the ultrasound and then they will distribute the pills. 317 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.519 Or how possibly? Well, I know it's going to happen in real 318 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:53.880 life. They're not going to many exactly get ultrasounds, because I've already know 319 00:23:55.750 --> 00:23:59.750 that women get the area forty six without getting ULTRACA, right. I mean, 320 00:23:59.789 --> 00:24:02.990 that happens in Charlotte, that happens in cities. Oh No, they 321 00:24:03.069 --> 00:24:04.549 never did nultrasound, they just gave me the pill, right. I mean 322 00:24:04.670 --> 00:24:07.710 I hear that a lot. Yeah, so it's going to that's going to 323 00:24:07.789 --> 00:24:11.779 happen a whole lot more. Yeah, once they're out in the middle of 324 00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:14.660 nowhere. Yeah, and one things. It's disturbing as you hear all these 325 00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:18.619 statistics about, oh, abortion is safer than than childbirth. Right, you 326 00:24:18.700 --> 00:24:26.890 know, these these abortions, these statistics are completely warped. It's interesting. 327 00:24:27.329 --> 00:24:33.490 I've I work in critical care medicine, emerge the room medicine. In the 328 00:24:33.569 --> 00:24:40.279 past I've filled out death certificates in North Carolina. On the death certificate North 329 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:45.599 Carolina there's a specific box that everyone fills out if the woman was, if 330 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:51.319 the patient was a female one, where they pregnant in the last year? 331 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.869 To where they pregnant the last six months? Three, where they pregnant the 332 00:24:55.869 --> 00:24:59.390 last three months, for were they not pregnant? Five, you know. 333 00:24:59.430 --> 00:25:04.670 So it goes down this this list. So if a woman had become pregnant 334 00:25:06.069 --> 00:25:11.619 and then had an abortion and then had a complication from the procedure, the 335 00:25:11.740 --> 00:25:15.059 only thing that it shows on the first on the death certificate is that she 336 00:25:15.140 --> 00:25:19.380 had a pregnancy related death. It doesn't say that she died from abortion. 337 00:25:19.900 --> 00:25:23.289 Wow, it says she died from a hemorrhage or she died from a grope 338 00:25:23.369 --> 00:25:29.529 ruptured uterus or whatever. Wow, and then they have the little checkpock that 339 00:25:29.609 --> 00:25:34.650 says it was a pregnancy related death. And so there's really makes it appear 340 00:25:34.690 --> 00:25:38.440 actually the opposite of the truth, that that the pregnancy is what killed her, 341 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:42.960 not the abortion, and that's why they can come out and say pregnancy 342 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:47.920 is more dangerous than an abortion. That's evil, that's pure evil. Yeah, 343 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.230 and it's very misleading to women. It scares them into getting abortions right. 344 00:25:51.869 --> 00:25:56.230 So, yeah, so I foresee that happening a lot in these women 345 00:25:56.269 --> 00:26:00.470 who are way out in the wilderness somewhere and they're going to blame it on 346 00:26:00.589 --> 00:26:07.579 her being pregnant when actually it was taking mythopristone and then bleeding to that. 347 00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:11.019 Yeah, yeah, well, that just in reading some of them, trying 348 00:26:11.019 --> 00:26:14.980 to actually pull that information up now, but I can't find it on the 349 00:26:15.019 --> 00:26:18.259 fly. But we've gotten a hold of some of the information that they give 350 00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:22.410 them at the latrobe abortion center right here. They give them kind of like 351 00:26:22.490 --> 00:26:25.970 a risks sheet, fine print. If you're going to take the abortion bill. 352 00:26:26.009 --> 00:26:27.210 Here's the fine print, and there's one sheet, and it's been a 353 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:30.490 while soon as I read it, from the National Abortion Federation, but it 354 00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:36.160 talks about the risks associated with taking the abortion peel in. One of those 355 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.200 risks is, it says, one out of five hundred women to take the 356 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.799 abortion pill, to go through the abortion peole procedure will require a blood transfusion. 357 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:47.309 That's sound right, that sound like I mean to me that's that's that's 358 00:26:47.349 --> 00:26:49.589 a pretty daunting statistic. Yeah, it seemed. That seems pretty high. 359 00:26:49.589 --> 00:26:56.029 Yeah, I'm not exactly sure where they got those statistics, but of course 360 00:26:56.069 --> 00:27:02.380 that's what happened in the study that they used to try to refute abortion pill 361 00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:10.859 reversal. Right, so Michael Crane and who is an abortion advocate, said 362 00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:17.009 that he would study abortion pill reversal and he took twelve women, gave them 363 00:27:17.049 --> 00:27:22.970 all the are you forty six abortion pill. Half of those women he gave 364 00:27:22.410 --> 00:27:26.490 progesterone at our doses, and half of them he gave a sugar pill. 365 00:27:27.490 --> 00:27:36.160 Gave them nothing to for the the abortion or anything. Yeah, one woman 366 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.400 from each group dropped out, so that left five. And Five. Okay, 367 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:44.160 they just decided they wanted to just go get the abortion. So of 368 00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:52.710 the five women who received progesterone, two weeks later, four of those women 369 00:27:52.950 --> 00:27:59.180 still had living pregnancies. So eighty per scent of the women who had gotten 370 00:27:59.619 --> 00:28:06.500 progesterone had reversed their abortions and once you're two weeks out that it's done, 371 00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:11.500 you're you're out of the clear because pretty safe because are forty six only last 372 00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:15.769 in the body from its half life is eighteen hours, eighteen to twenty hours. 373 00:28:15.930 --> 00:28:18.970 So after seventy two hours it's a pretty much completely a ren eliminated from 374 00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:23.089 your body after three to four days. Okay. So two weeks out they 375 00:28:23.170 --> 00:28:30.160 had eighty percent of the babies were still living. Wow. The one woman, 376 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:37.960 the one patient who who had unsuccessful reversal, was bleeding at home. 377 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:42.029 She called an ambulance, the ambulance took her to the emergency room. She 378 00:28:42.150 --> 00:28:47.069 completed the abortion. She did not require a DNC, she did not require 379 00:28:47.150 --> 00:28:52.069 surgery, she did not require a transfusion. She essentially had the abortion right 380 00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:57.059 it completed. Okay, so that was the one in the other group where 381 00:28:57.059 --> 00:29:02.259 he gave the abortion pill and then a sugar pill, didn't give progesterone, 382 00:29:02.299 --> 00:29:07.819 did not give side attack. Two of those women had severe bleeding. They 383 00:29:07.900 --> 00:29:12.210 both called the ambulance, they both went to the emergency room, they both 384 00:29:12.369 --> 00:29:21.650 required surgeries. DNC's the most common surgical procedure in America, and one of 385 00:29:21.650 --> 00:29:26.839 them required a blood transfusion. So then he stopped the study, saying that 386 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:33.160 studying abortion pill reversal is too dangerous. Okay, obviously the dangerous part was 387 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.480 the fact that one he didn't follow their protocols, their own protocols. Yeah, 388 00:29:37.589 --> 00:29:42.309 and the women who receive progesterone did not have any dangerous bleeding. Is 389 00:29:42.390 --> 00:29:47.349 Only the women who got the abortion pill and then a sugar pill afterwards. 390 00:29:47.509 --> 00:29:57.220 Wow, and forty percent of his patients had surviving pregnancy, surviving pregnancies at 391 00:29:57.259 --> 00:30:03.980 the end of that. So doing nothing gave him, in a very small 392 00:30:04.059 --> 00:30:11.809 study, forty percent survival rate. Okay, giving progesterone gave an eighty percent 393 00:30:11.930 --> 00:30:18.650 survival rate. Okay. So really his study completely proved our points. You 394 00:30:18.809 --> 00:30:22.359 did and prove that. I mean it's such a small study can't really bring 395 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:27.160 a real conclusions, but if nothing else, it shows that more research should 396 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.359 be done. Yeah, in progesterone reversing abortions. Yeah, well, but 397 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:38.269 his conclusion was rep misrepresenting really what had happened, and that is often what's 398 00:30:38.309 --> 00:30:42.710 quoted. I've heard it quoted by people that the Medios to this. Yeah, 399 00:30:42.750 --> 00:30:45.349 the media pick that up and then ran with it. Yeah, and 400 00:30:45.509 --> 00:30:49.500 so that's what they use those that they're talking points. Yeah, but if 401 00:30:49.539 --> 00:30:52.819 they really read the study, and I've talked with some of these folks on 402 00:30:52.900 --> 00:30:56.740 the sidewalk and actually explain it to him, and then they really didn't have 403 00:30:56.779 --> 00:31:00.819 a home much whole lot to say. Yeah, so I am actually looking 404 00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:04.009 up just what I mentioned to you. This is the sheet that is made 405 00:31:04.049 --> 00:31:07.369 from the National Abortion Federation. You can find it on pro choice dot org 406 00:31:08.609 --> 00:31:12.529 and it actually says that possible side effects of a miss mephpist on abortion. 407 00:31:12.650 --> 00:31:18.599 Side effects such as pain, cramping and vaginal bleeding result from the abortion process 408 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.400 itself and are therefore expected with a Meta medical abortion. Other side effects may 409 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.640 include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, chills and fever. Complications are rare but 410 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:33.269 may include infection, excessive vaginal bleeding requiring transfusion and in parenthes is prinheses. 411 00:31:33.309 --> 00:31:37.150 It says occurs in approximately one in five hundred cases. So that's the national 412 00:31:37.150 --> 00:31:42.069 abortion federations. That's these probe quote pro choice people. That's what they say. 413 00:31:42.430 --> 00:31:47.180 You think about how many medical abortions are done each day? Yeah, 414 00:31:48.220 --> 00:31:52.819 and that's a lot of asusions. Yeah, another way I communicate it to 415 00:31:52.420 --> 00:31:56.539 is I'm training people to Minister on the sidewalk and how you talk to people 416 00:31:56.579 --> 00:31:59.859 that are going into the abortion center. And this is how I talked to 417 00:31:59.940 --> 00:32:01.849 MOMS or dads that are going into the abortion center. As I say, 418 00:32:02.250 --> 00:32:05.849 you know, ask him if are you here for the abortion pill? If 419 00:32:05.849 --> 00:32:07.609 I can get that far with them. If they say yeah, I say 420 00:32:07.890 --> 00:32:10.650 you know the paperwork they're going to give you. Please read the fine print, 421 00:32:10.690 --> 00:32:15.130 because it says one out of five hundred women that go through that procedure 422 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.279 will require blood transfusion. And if you're here to hide the fact that you're 423 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.720 pregnant from your family, how are you going to explain to them if you're 424 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:23.839 one of that? Pray you're not, but if you are one of those 425 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.359 five, one out of five hundred that ends up in the hospital, you're 426 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.430 going to have to explain like why are you there? What? Why are 427 00:32:30.470 --> 00:32:34.230 you bleeding and all of this and, you know, kind of, I 428 00:32:34.309 --> 00:32:37.710 guess, playing on that whole factor if they want to hide what they're doing 429 00:32:37.630 --> 00:32:39.990 when you know, be careful, your sin will find you out. Kind 430 00:32:40.029 --> 00:32:44.299 of dynamic going on there, you know. So it's a little bit of 431 00:32:44.339 --> 00:32:45.660 a rabbit trawer. where I wanted to go with this because I do want 432 00:32:45.700 --> 00:32:50.940 to kind of help people that are on the sidewalk understand the differences, and 433 00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:54.259 you've explained it, I think, very clearly with how the abortion pill procedure 434 00:32:54.980 --> 00:33:00.650 works. But there is again this conflation of the abortion pill in the morning 435 00:33:00.690 --> 00:33:04.210 after pell. So can you just describe real quick what the differences are? 436 00:33:04.369 --> 00:33:06.809 No fruit. For you and me it's like, okay, does there's there's 437 00:33:06.849 --> 00:33:09.170 obviously differences, but for some people it's not. So can you explain that 438 00:33:09.210 --> 00:33:14.160 a little bit? Yeah, so the morning after pill, or plan B 439 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:22.079 as it's called, is a high dose hormone pill that women take generally after 440 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:28.589 they've had unprotected sex and are trying to avoid pregnancy. Yeah, so that's 441 00:33:28.630 --> 00:33:30.990 why they take that. So that is not the abortion pill. Now the 442 00:33:31.069 --> 00:33:36.950 way that works. It used to be before they had plan B, if 443 00:33:37.029 --> 00:33:39.670 a woman had unprotected sex and did not want to get pregnant, her doctor 444 00:33:39.670 --> 00:33:45.099 would say, we'll just take an extra hormone tablet, an extra birth control 445 00:33:45.259 --> 00:33:50.539 pill. Yeah, to increase the dose. And what that does? It's 446 00:33:50.579 --> 00:33:53.660 a couple of things, and this is found right on the package insert of 447 00:33:53.900 --> 00:33:59.730 birth control pills or on Plan B. The main way that both of those 448 00:33:59.769 --> 00:34:05.049 work is by inhibiting ovulation. So a woman does not ovulate, she does 449 00:34:05.130 --> 00:34:09.960 not put out an egg. Therefore the egg cannot be fertilized and she doesn't 450 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:15.800 become pregnant. The other ways that it works is that it creates a hostile 451 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:20.679 environment in the uterus, so it changes the cervical mucus and the lining of 452 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:25.230 the uterus so that if she does become pregnant, or if she's already pregnant 453 00:34:25.269 --> 00:34:34.110 at the time that she takes plan B, then the newly conceived person is 454 00:34:34.349 --> 00:34:38.659 not going to implant. Yeah, and will come out similar to a miscarriage, 455 00:34:38.659 --> 00:34:43.619 except for the the embryo never implanted in the first place. Yeah, 456 00:34:44.380 --> 00:34:47.820 and so we'll just come out like a menstrual cycle. Yeah, okay. 457 00:34:49.300 --> 00:34:55.289 So That's plan B. The abortion pill is taken after a woman finds out 458 00:34:55.409 --> 00:35:02.090 she's pregnant, so we're talking for plus weeks, four or more weeks after 459 00:35:02.210 --> 00:35:08.280 she had intercourse, or seven weeks or more after her last minstrel period. 460 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:14.719 Yeah, and so, and what that does is it blocks of progesterone receptor, 461 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:22.070 prevents the blood supply to the placenta to support a baby that's already growing. 462 00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:27.230 That's already implanted, that our has a heartbeat, that already has fingers, 463 00:35:27.269 --> 00:35:31.750 toes and limbs. Yeah, and and that is the abortion pill. 464 00:35:31.909 --> 00:35:37.420 Yeah, is it correct to say? Because I've said it and I've heard 465 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:39.460 some of our folks say it, it seems a little over the top. 466 00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:44.659 Maybe we're trying to use terminology, I think, to connect with the people 467 00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:47.579 so they understand. But I'll say the abortion pill actually is going to starve 468 00:35:47.659 --> 00:35:51.210 your baby to death. Is that? Is that correct? Maybe just in 469 00:35:51.369 --> 00:35:54.010 regular vernacular to say? I mean, I've used that before, because it 470 00:35:54.170 --> 00:36:00.969 is, you know, depleting or denying the developing embryo from food, nutrition 471 00:36:00.210 --> 00:36:04.880 oxygen, so it is starving in and it asphyxiating. I mean the baby 472 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.679 is not receiving oxygen, which we should right, it's not getting nutrition, 473 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.960 it's it's separating the placenta from the uterus, right, right, so that 474 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.039 it will slough off. So let me ask you, because this is something 475 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:22.309 I always wondered about and I still actually do wonder I know that the first 476 00:36:22.429 --> 00:36:29.829 pill does not kill the baby, at least not immediately. Correct their nutrition 477 00:36:29.949 --> 00:36:34.820 and their oxygen is being cut off, but it's not instantaneous, which is 478 00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:42.500 what allows the reversal to be able to work. So why is the baby 479 00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:46.329 okay? And is the baby okay when you've started? You've already taken that 480 00:36:46.570 --> 00:36:52.929 first pill, so presumably the process is starting of cutting off the nutrition, 481 00:36:52.050 --> 00:36:55.929 the oxygen, everything the baby needs to survive. Then you flood the system 482 00:36:57.010 --> 00:37:01.119 with the progesterone in the abortion pill reversal. Is the baby then okay? 483 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.280 What are the risks? I know you said initially you don't know, but 484 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:12.199 now I presume you do have a little bit more information. And will the 485 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.599 baby be fine? Will the baby develop normally and is everything going to be 486 00:37:15.710 --> 00:37:20.230 fine and all likelihood once you've started the abortion pill reversal? Yeah, that's 487 00:37:20.269 --> 00:37:25.110 a good question and of course our paramount of paramount importance to us as physicians 488 00:37:25.389 --> 00:37:29.989 is the health and safety of the mother and the baby. So that is 489 00:37:30.099 --> 00:37:35.099 always very important in any possible side effects. So studies have actually already been 490 00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:40.460 done by Goot Mocker Institute and, you know, essentially abortion industry, showing 491 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:47.010 that are you forty six babies who survive? Are you forty six do not 492 00:37:47.130 --> 00:37:53.969 have birth effects, they are mentally and developmentally the same. So it's it's 493 00:37:54.010 --> 00:37:59.239 kind of an all or nothing deal. Okay, it either kills the baby 494 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:04.239 or the baby's fine. Now insidotech or mims a priest. All that can 495 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:09.960 the medicine that's given for contractions. If a baby survives after a mother is 496 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:15.389 exposed to that or after the baby's exposed to that, there's a five percent 497 00:38:15.510 --> 00:38:20.190 chance of something called mobius syndrome. Okay, and that is where they can 498 00:38:20.230 --> 00:38:24.070 have facial nerve palsy's weakness and a facial nerve muscles. They can have problems 499 00:38:24.110 --> 00:38:30.500 with prolysis of their limbs, they can have problems something called Mermaid Syndrome, 500 00:38:30.539 --> 00:38:36.059 where their legs are fused. Okay, this is in babies who have been 501 00:38:36.099 --> 00:38:44.130 exposed to Cytotech or miser pristall this was actually a medicine that was initially used 502 00:38:44.369 --> 00:38:47.010 for stomach upset. Yeah, and so it was used for many, many 503 00:38:47.050 --> 00:38:52.690 years in pregnant women specifically because of all the indigestion that they have, and 504 00:38:52.929 --> 00:38:57.039 they found that women that were taking this, and this we're talking about on 505 00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:02.159 a constant basis generally, not a onetime exposure but a constant basis, had 506 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.039 this possible effect of Mobius Syndrome in their kids. Yeah, now, of 507 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.230 course our protocol for reversal says don't take that medicine. Right. We don't 508 00:39:12.269 --> 00:39:19.590 want women to take that medicine. If they have taken it, generally still 509 00:39:19.869 --> 00:39:23.030 will look to see if we have a viable fetus and if so, might 510 00:39:23.110 --> 00:39:28.099 be worth trying to reverse. Yeah, but the woman needs to know that 511 00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:31.579 she had exposure to CIDEOTECH, music, pristall that was given to her by 512 00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:37.179 the abortion doctor and can possibly cause side effects in the baby. Yeah. 513 00:39:37.179 --> 00:39:42.530 Yeah, what are some ways that, as side wall counselors, but even 514 00:39:42.530 --> 00:39:45.610 as prey Nancy centers, if people are just now kind of getting aware of 515 00:39:45.929 --> 00:39:50.090 abortion pill reversal, what are some of the ways they can like dig a 516 00:39:50.130 --> 00:39:53.599 little deeper into this? Some websites and things like that and ultimately, let's 517 00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:57.199 say, a pregnancy center? I think all of the pregnancy centers here in 518 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.440 the area and our area have something in place. If they have a patient 519 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.079 that comes to them, they can get up connected with Apr. But we 520 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.269 are some ways that pregnancy centers and even side we all counselors can get connected 521 00:40:07.349 --> 00:40:09.909 with APR get more information all that stuff. Yeah, the best place to 522 00:40:09.949 --> 00:40:17.550 go is to abortion pill reversalcom. Yeah, and our abortion pill reversal and 523 00:40:17.670 --> 00:40:22.500 network is now run by heartbeat international. Yeah, we turn that over to 524 00:40:22.619 --> 00:40:25.579 them in April, I want to say, of two thousand and sixteen, 525 00:40:25.579 --> 00:40:30.900 or somewhere around there, because they had such an outreach and they are in 526 00:40:30.980 --> 00:40:37.969 so many countries right that now we have abortion pill reversal available in over fifty 527 00:40:37.050 --> 00:40:43.369 countries, in all fifty states, and we've had over twozero babies. We 528 00:40:43.530 --> 00:40:50.000 have around two hundred what we call mission critical phone calls a month, yeah, 529 00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:54.119 where women have taken the abortion pill and are seeking reversal, and so 530 00:40:54.360 --> 00:41:00.639 we've built this network of over a thousand providers where we can get women to 531 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:06.269 a clinic or reversal center, hopefully within an hour. That's we're trying to 532 00:41:06.710 --> 00:41:13.070 get them right. And so abortion pill reversalcom and then the one eight hundred 533 00:41:13.070 --> 00:41:16.190 numbers, or eight seven seven, is the toll free number. Eight seven 534 00:41:16.349 --> 00:41:21.420 seven, five, hundred five, eight zero three and thirty three, and 535 00:41:21.579 --> 00:41:27.699 that's the phone number that women can call if they are seeking to help to 536 00:41:27.820 --> 00:41:31.619 reverse their abortion. If anyone calls that number, you can ask them how 537 00:41:32.210 --> 00:41:37.010 can I get more information, and they'll direct you to the right phone number 538 00:41:37.010 --> 00:41:40.650 or to the website. Yeah, and so we enroll providers, we enroll 539 00:41:40.969 --> 00:41:45.769 folks into the network, we make sure that they have everything in place to 540 00:41:45.809 --> 00:41:52.559 be able to receive a woman. You know it's needs to reverse. So 541 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.880 how, how receptive is the Obgyn community at large about abortion pill reverse link? 542 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.030 And can you just go to just your regular gun in collegist and say 543 00:42:02.070 --> 00:42:06.909 hey, I I want to reverse this abortion? I have had some patients 544 00:42:06.989 --> 00:42:08.949 do that, uhh, and some have been laughed at and some have been 545 00:42:09.469 --> 00:42:16.860 welcomed. Okay, so the American Academy of Pro Life Obgy ends is over 546 00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:23.340 twozero, five hundred providers who endorse abortion pill reversal. These are medical professionals 547 00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:29.539 that are experts in their field and they endorse it. The American College of 548 00:42:29.659 --> 00:42:35.849 Obgui NS, which is a pro choice organization and loudly so, does not 549 00:42:36.090 --> 00:42:43.210 support it and even though we have talk to many of them directly and offered 550 00:42:43.250 --> 00:42:50.280 all the science, they still are not openly endorsing it. Some of their 551 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.239 own providers have said it makes biological sense. They know. They've been in 552 00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:58.829 situations where they have said, well, if my daughter was poisoned with our 553 00:42:59.070 --> 00:43:01.869 forty six and one to keep her baby I would probably give her progesterone. 554 00:43:02.070 --> 00:43:07.309 Yeah, so they've admitted that it probably works, but they will not formally 555 00:43:07.429 --> 00:43:12.030 endorse it because it's a political organization. Okay, so the resistance, this 556 00:43:12.309 --> 00:43:15.860 resistance you think is political, because I wanted to ask that there is so 557 00:43:15.019 --> 00:43:20.739 much resistance from the socalled pro choice people. They've already they've already gotten their 558 00:43:20.780 --> 00:43:25.460 money, they they've already got the abortion and and if people want to change 559 00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:32.010 their mind, why on Earth would any group oppose trying everything possible to hope 560 00:43:32.050 --> 00:43:37.090 that, especially if good my wife is, we didn't interview with her almost 561 00:43:37.130 --> 00:43:40.679 a year ago, is last May, I guess, according to a great 562 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:46.159 job. Yeah, and so I know because she tells me like what she 563 00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:50.559 lays out for them. She lays out all the risks. There's not like, 564 00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:52.320 there's no coercion, there's no like, you know, if you don't 565 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.230 want to do this, nobody's pressuring you to do this. The women come 566 00:43:55.349 --> 00:43:59.869 to come to her for it. So, yeah, I don't understand a 567 00:43:59.949 --> 00:44:01.469 lot of her question to you. Why, if all the risks are laid 568 00:44:01.510 --> 00:44:05.349 out, no one's forcing anything on these people. If they want to drop 569 00:44:05.429 --> 00:44:07.909 out and stop doing the abortion bility verse, but they can. All of 570 00:44:07.989 --> 00:44:12.699 that is I mean really, we're pro choice in that sense, right, 571 00:44:12.739 --> 00:44:15.500 we're offering a choice. Does the opposition doesn't make sense, knowing. What's 572 00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:20.500 interesting. You know, the study I talked about earlier that they keep citing 573 00:44:21.179 --> 00:44:25.969 about the bleeding issue, right, and that that they feel like research is 574 00:44:27.050 --> 00:44:31.690 not safe, even though the only patients who had dangerous bleeding were the women 575 00:44:31.730 --> 00:44:37.210 who did not get the reversal. Yeah, that study by Dr Michael Crich 576 00:44:37.329 --> 00:44:43.760 and he is or crying and he is the paid consultant for Danko Pharmaceuticals, 577 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.559 which is the only producer of, are you forty six, the abortion pill 578 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.840 in the United States. Yeah, so the conflict of contact interest there. 579 00:44:52.869 --> 00:44:58.150 Also, obviously he had to study stopped because it was proving that it it 580 00:44:58.150 --> 00:45:01.989 worked, and so it's interesting. I can you know, I have a 581 00:45:02.070 --> 00:45:10.179 lot of friends of wide political and religious views and and medical views. I 582 00:45:10.300 --> 00:45:14.860 can always tell which ones are truly pro choice and which ones are truly pro 583 00:45:14.940 --> 00:45:17.900 abortion. Yeah, because the pro my pro choice friends will say, wow, 584 00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:21.650 well, if a woman chooses to do that, then we should support 585 00:45:21.730 --> 00:45:27.489 that. Yeah, you know, and that's authentically legitimately pro choice, right. 586 00:45:27.929 --> 00:45:31.210 That's someone who is supporting the choice of a woman. Yeah, but 587 00:45:31.289 --> 00:45:37.239 then the pro abortion folks are not like that. Yeah, right, they 588 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.440 will say no, they can't be doing this, they've chosen abortion. We 589 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.079 trust women that they know what they want the first time around and they're never 590 00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.440 pressured. They're never pressured and they're never coerced. And you know, yeah, 591 00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:52.829 we also know. We know it's like so bunk, like almost every 592 00:45:52.909 --> 00:45:58.710 woman off talked to about the abortion center has coercion happening on some level from 593 00:45:58.750 --> 00:46:01.349 some member of our family or boyfriend or something like. The formal studies say 594 00:46:01.469 --> 00:46:06.900 that ten percent, easy, ten percent, yeah, are coerced or have 595 00:46:07.099 --> 00:46:09.500 pressure to get abortion, and that's probably on the loan. That's got to 596 00:46:09.539 --> 00:46:14.420 be on the low side from what we experiences for sure. Yeah, yeah, 597 00:46:15.739 --> 00:46:17.849 I mean, man, I think we've touched on everything that we've wanted 598 00:46:17.889 --> 00:46:22.570 to touch on, but is there anything else that you would land as advice 599 00:46:22.690 --> 00:46:28.449 or people in a pregnancy center setting or in a sidewalk counseling setting along the 600 00:46:28.610 --> 00:46:32.000 lines of the APR? I mean I welcome the challenges to the science, 601 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:37.639 okay, I mean any good scientist will welcome those challenges. Yeah, and 602 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:43.039 you know, we shouldn't be defensive when people are accusing and saying that this 603 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.840 is dangerous or it doesn't work or whatever. We just we just rely on 604 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:51.110 the science, because the science speaks for itself. Yeah, now many of 605 00:46:51.190 --> 00:46:54.710 them will say, oh well, we need controlled studies. You know, 606 00:46:54.869 --> 00:46:59.070 I'm not. I have a real problem with the ethics. Yeah, I 607 00:46:59.150 --> 00:47:02.179 was gonna ask you to study where you take tough thousand women, impregnate them, 608 00:47:02.900 --> 00:47:07.179 give them all the abortion pill and then give only half of them progesterone. 609 00:47:07.539 --> 00:47:10.820 You know that doesn't sit right with me. Yeah, and wondering how 610 00:47:10.900 --> 00:47:15.570 Michael Whatever CRICHTON got away with them. Yes, that does not seem pro 611 00:47:15.650 --> 00:47:20.329 abortions. That's not ethical. It's not. I mean you've you've got women 612 00:47:20.409 --> 00:47:24.730 up, presumably, that wanted to reverse the abortion right in that study him 613 00:47:24.849 --> 00:47:29.809 and that he said, we're going to do this and if the baby survives, 614 00:47:29.889 --> 00:47:31.639 I'll give you an abortion anyway, a surgical abortion. I didn't know 615 00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:35.880 that end of it. Oh my goodness, these were women, okay, 616 00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:42.480 that all wanted abortions, okay, and they agreed to take progesterone to see 617 00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.789 if their baby would survive and then they were going to get any did. 618 00:47:45.110 --> 00:47:47.949 He went and completed the abortions on all the women, even the ones that 619 00:47:49.070 --> 00:47:52.389 survived. My goodness. Okay, yeah, yeah, but from a pro 620 00:47:52.550 --> 00:47:54.750 life perspective, like we're not going to be I'd be like, you know, 621 00:47:54.789 --> 00:47:58.780 you got a class full of kindergarteners and let me give you half of 622 00:47:58.820 --> 00:48:00.460 them poison the other half of sugar pill, right, and then see how 623 00:48:00.460 --> 00:48:02.860 it works out. If I do give some kind of antidote, it's like, 624 00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:07.179 can't do that, no good conscience. So trying to do this kind 625 00:48:07.179 --> 00:48:10.579 of double blind study thing would be really hard. But you know, I'm 626 00:48:10.619 --> 00:48:15.250 not a scientist, I'm not a doctor, but even just having it explain 627 00:48:15.409 --> 00:48:20.690 like you've explained it, kind of the lock and key kind of analogy that 628 00:48:20.809 --> 00:48:23.329 you gave, you know, and and just kind of just understanding a little 629 00:48:23.329 --> 00:48:29.280 bit about how the abortion pill works, it seems the job with me. 630 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.360 It seems to make sense. Yeah, and we we do. We use 631 00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:37.000 it's called retrospective studies. So these are all women who decided on their own 632 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.440 to pursue reversal. We didn't recruit them into a study, we did not 633 00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:44.349 force them into a study. These are women who contacted us and we kept 634 00:48:44.389 --> 00:48:47.909 track of them and how they took their medicine and what their success rates were. 635 00:48:49.389 --> 00:48:52.989 And this is in two thousand and twelve are, I'm sorry, two 636 00:48:52.030 --> 00:48:55.699 thousand and eighteen, and was published in the issues in law and medicine. 637 00:48:55.940 --> 00:49:00.579 And we had five hundred forty seven women who met criteria to stay in the 638 00:49:00.619 --> 00:49:04.139 study. These are women who continue with the protocols. They didn't change their 639 00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:07.780 mind and go get a surgical abortion. They stayed in the in the study, 640 00:49:07.219 --> 00:49:13.369 and of those women overall there's a forty eight percent reversal success rate. 641 00:49:13.769 --> 00:49:15.849 Yeah, and that's that's some women who only took it for a week, 642 00:49:15.969 --> 00:49:22.090 that's some women, you know, who maybe took some shots, some pills, 643 00:49:22.090 --> 00:49:27.639 different things. But in the women who took the shots as directed and 644 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:31.480 finished them all completely, and of the women who took the pills correctly and 645 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.800 finished them all, those had a sixty four percent success rate. In a 646 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:40.869 sixty eight percent success rate. And so these this is a retrospective study showing 647 00:49:40.949 --> 00:49:45.710 what can happen if a woman takes the progester incorrectly, and that is way 648 00:49:45.829 --> 00:49:52.230 better than just a hit or miss. Well, seven to twenty five percent. 649 00:49:52.309 --> 00:49:55.340 If you do nothing, yeah, will survive, and so it definitely, 650 00:49:55.739 --> 00:50:00.940 you know, it definitely makes a difference to support with progesterone for a 651 00:50:00.980 --> 00:50:05.300 woman is taking the abortion pill to try to reverse that into support their pregnancy. 652 00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:07.929 Yeah, yeah, does it make a difference based on the age of 653 00:50:07.969 --> 00:50:13.210 the baby? It probably does. We have some of those numbers broken down. 654 00:50:13.809 --> 00:50:17.769 It seems like the younger the gestational age of the embryo, the more 655 00:50:20.050 --> 00:50:22.159 fragile they are. Yeah, that would make sense. YEA, and the 656 00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:27.679 further along they are they're more likely they are to succeed and be able to 657 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.039 reverse okay, yeah, yeah, I know, just in I mean my 658 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.519 wife doesn't share specifics because of hip a stuff as far as how long people 659 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.190 are, but she's just kind of told me generally what she's observed. If 660 00:50:37.230 --> 00:50:42.030 they're further along that it seems like there's a better success rate. Just kind 661 00:50:42.030 --> 00:50:45.190 of an anecdotal look at it. It seems to make sense that that baby's 662 00:50:45.550 --> 00:50:50.940 well settled in there and and able to resist the effects of the mephoprist on 663 00:50:50.980 --> 00:50:53.940 a little more the older they are. But I know we've been blessed here. 664 00:50:54.019 --> 00:50:59.739 Locally. I know two sets of twins that were saved from abortion and 665 00:51:00.579 --> 00:51:02.739 one young lady text my wife, I think, on their own, her 666 00:51:02.780 --> 00:51:07.929 twins birthdays every year, just as thank you for for being there for me. 667 00:51:07.130 --> 00:51:12.849 Thank you for doing this abortion reversal. That saved my babies and this 668 00:51:13.010 --> 00:51:15.769 is a life saving thing. Man. I appreciate you, Dr Matt, 669 00:51:15.849 --> 00:51:20.920 and just being open to the Lord really in that what you said. Justine 670 00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.119 says like this Holy Spirit download from heaven and two thousand and six right. 671 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:29.239 Yeah, and in kind of really being a pinteer in this, in this 672 00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.280 realm. I know there's other doctors. I think Dr Delgatto out on the 673 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:36.150 west coast around the same time kind of parented some of the students. Two 674 00:51:36.150 --> 00:51:39.110 years afterwards, without knowing about mine, he came up with the same thing. 675 00:51:39.150 --> 00:51:44.269 Yeah, and he's really the one who really built the network. Okay, 676 00:51:44.909 --> 00:51:52.179 he and Mary Davenport have initially had initially started tracking the women and wrote 677 00:51:52.219 --> 00:51:55.699 the first paper in two thousand and twelve that was published in the annals of 678 00:51:55.739 --> 00:52:01.090 Pharma therapy about six case studies that had been reversed and four of those babies 679 00:52:01.130 --> 00:52:06.050 had lived. And so he is. He has something called culture of life 680 00:52:06.090 --> 00:52:10.889 family services. Okay, and he's a physician like I am. And so, 681 00:52:12.530 --> 00:52:15.570 but he had the same thought that I did. Is just two years 682 00:52:15.610 --> 00:52:19.679 later. Yeah, and it's amazing. I think it's awesome that it happened 683 00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:23.760 kind of completely separate, yeah, from from from mine, that he had 684 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:28.320 the same thought and kind of the same download. You know, he's a 685 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.429 great guy. Yeah, and he speaks all over. So it's great. 686 00:52:30.429 --> 00:52:35.349 We have a west coast and we have an east coast a representative. Yeah, 687 00:52:36.190 --> 00:52:39.389 that's really exciting. But another thing that people can do. I know 688 00:52:39.469 --> 00:52:45.380 that a lot of crisis preenacy centers have ultrasound units on the sidewalk. Yeah, 689 00:52:45.699 --> 00:52:50.980 as do we in Charlotte, and that is a perfect opportunity to attack 690 00:52:51.300 --> 00:52:54.260 that abortion pill right as soon as they walk out of the door. Yeah, 691 00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:58.460 because we can do an ultrasound on the bus and we can deliver that 692 00:52:58.650 --> 00:53:02.650 first dose of Progesteron before it start doing any damage to the baby. Yeah, 693 00:53:02.849 --> 00:53:07.489 and so that's a really that's something that Cristis preency centers should look into 694 00:53:07.610 --> 00:53:12.489 with their medical directors. Is At is that something that they can pursue? 695 00:53:12.690 --> 00:53:15.039 Yeah, I just love and we do call out as soon as we see 696 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.800 a woman walk out the door, we know the abortionist has arrived. We 697 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.920 always call out about abortion pill reversal and I'll often say God is a god 698 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:28.909 of second chances and he's giving you a second chance and I love that abortion 699 00:53:28.949 --> 00:53:36.030 pill reversal really demonstrate that that God is never done with us. He does 700 00:53:36.230 --> 00:53:40.659 give us opportunities to overcome the horrific things that we have done in our life. 701 00:53:42.340 --> 00:53:45.900 So I just I thank you so much. You are just really a 702 00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:49.659 hero to so many women and to so many of us counselors out there who 703 00:53:49.739 --> 00:53:53.139 feel desperation as we see those women leaving, and to know he there is 704 00:53:53.260 --> 00:53:59.130 something we can still offer even after they've taken that pill and these bombs are 705 00:53:59.170 --> 00:54:02.170 really you know, I see them as the heroes because they are going against 706 00:54:02.170 --> 00:54:06.289 a lot of odds, a lot of pressure, a lot of uncertainty. 707 00:54:06.769 --> 00:54:08.210 They might not have jobs, they might not have support, they might not 708 00:54:08.329 --> 00:54:14.000 have housing, and they say, you know what, I'm going to say 709 00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:19.000 this baby and even if the reversal doesn't work, they have already started the 710 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.360 healing process. That's right of what they've done and now they've known, well, 711 00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:25.349 at least I tried to do something, yeah, to help save my 712 00:54:25.429 --> 00:54:30.949 baby, and it really makes a huge difference in the Morn, in the 713 00:54:30.030 --> 00:54:34.550 grieving process when they do lose their if they do lose their child. Yeah, 714 00:54:34.750 --> 00:54:37.349 but but they are my heroes and decide what counselors that are out there 715 00:54:37.429 --> 00:54:44.139 every single day. I can't be out there every day and there are giving 716 00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:47.139 resources or giving hope, are building relationships. That's what it's all about, 717 00:54:47.539 --> 00:54:52.489 is their building relationships with these women who are really desperate for for help. 718 00:54:52.849 --> 00:54:57.090 Yeah, and that's what I see is as the real heroes here and that 719 00:54:57.329 --> 00:55:00.530 are able to just to point them to me and I get I get to 720 00:55:00.570 --> 00:55:04.570 see all the fun stuff. Yeah, that's good. Well, brother, 721 00:55:04.650 --> 00:55:09.239 we appreciate your appreciate your encouragement and appreciate your strong stand for life and and 722 00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:15.159 again, appreciate being open, you being open to the Lord, to poneer 723 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:20.159 this whole thing and two thousand plus baby saved from the abortion pill really at 724 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:24.309 that very last even really beyond the very last moment, because they're engaged in 725 00:55:24.349 --> 00:55:29.190 the abortion process when, by God's grace, we're able to pull them back 726 00:55:29.230 --> 00:55:31.869 through the abortion reversal. So just appreciate that and we appreciate you guys that 727 00:55:31.949 --> 00:55:36.619 are listening and hope this podcast has been a blessing to you. As Dr 728 00:55:36.659 --> 00:55:39.820 Matt mentioned, you can go to APR, believe it's aprcom, abortion P 729 00:55:39.980 --> 00:55:45.739 REVERSALCOM, and get more information. If you don't have a pregnancy center in 730 00:55:45.820 --> 00:55:51.769 your area that does the abortion pill reversal, I'll do my best reach out 731 00:55:51.809 --> 00:55:54.130 to meet Daniel at Love Life Dot Org and bring my wife into the conversation, 732 00:55:54.210 --> 00:55:58.889 who could maybe even have a conversation with your local pregnancy center about getting 733 00:55:58.929 --> 00:56:02.809 this started. We would certainly do everything we can to get that started and, 734 00:56:04.210 --> 00:56:06.519 you know, just put it to prayer. If you don't have a 735 00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:08.880 pregnancy center that's willing to do this in your area, put it to prayer. 736 00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:13.920 God can burn their hearts. This is definitely a lifesaving resource that we 737 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:16.360 need to have available in our area. There's a massive network, though, 738 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:22.110 and I ever, growing network with the abortion reversalcom folks. So go on 739 00:56:22.150 --> 00:56:24.750 that website, connect with those guys and reach out to us, as we 740 00:56:24.789 --> 00:56:28.829 always encourage you guys. Reach out and let us know of their subjects you 741 00:56:28.829 --> 00:56:30.909 want us to cover on this podcast, how we can encourage you. We 742 00:56:30.989 --> 00:56:35.579 want to continue to encourage and equip you guys. But until next time, 743 00:56:35.820 --> 00:56:52.530 God bless our love for love. Give me our love for gratitude. I 744 00:56:52.849 --> 00:57:01.239 know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious in some you