The Danger of Incrementalism in the Battle to End Abortion

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:06.440 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me Lord. 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.910 I am welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast and this episode we're 3 00:00:10.910 --> 00:00:13.789 going to talk with the pioneer from the pro life movement, Flip Benham, 4 00:00:14.109 --> 00:00:18.429 about the problem of incrementalism and trying to end abortion. This is an important 5 00:00:18.429 --> 00:00:29.059 topic, so please stick with us. I felt show passis touch your heart. 6 00:00:35.969 --> 00:00:38.609 All right. Well, welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 7 00:00:38.810 --> 00:00:43.490 Have with me today Flip Benham, who is a pioneer in Pro Life Ministry 8 00:00:43.609 --> 00:00:48.770 and just Gospel Preaching, and I wanted him to come and talk about sort 9 00:00:48.810 --> 00:00:51.640 of the controversy, I guess, has been in the pro life movement, 10 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:58.079 even modern abolitionist movement, thing about incrementalism and immediatism, these sort of terms 11 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:02.000 that maybe some people that are listening or watching have no clue what these even 12 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:06.189 mean. So let's first define those terms. What is immediatism and what is 13 00:01:06.230 --> 00:01:10.430 incrementalism? Maybe start with income incrementalism first, if you if you will. 14 00:01:10.469 --> 00:01:14.670 INCREMENTALISM is simply you'll find it in genesis chapter one and chat, and I 15 00:01:14.750 --> 00:01:17.750 excuse me, a genesis chapter three is where you really see it, where 16 00:01:17.750 --> 00:01:22.739 the serpent comes up in to tempt Adam, but he's going to get to 17 00:01:23.340 --> 00:01:26.060 Adam through eve, okay, and so Adams sits back. That's what men 18 00:01:26.140 --> 00:01:33.810 do. And let's Eve. God had given specific instructions to to Adam not 19 00:01:34.129 --> 00:01:37.769 to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Yeah, 20 00:01:38.170 --> 00:01:42.609 and Adam understood it and it was Adam's duty to tell that to eve. 21 00:01:42.969 --> 00:01:48.079 But as eve gets close to this tree of the knowledge of good and evil, 22 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:53.840 there is a serpent and that serpent begins right off the bat. And 23 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.920 Genesis chapter three, verse one. Did God really say? Yeah, incrementally 24 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:04.549 begins to break down. Dick out. Really say that? Does he really 25 00:02:04.629 --> 00:02:08.909 mean that? And he and that's how he breaks into a city, that's 26 00:02:08.990 --> 00:02:14.710 how he breaks into a person, that's how he breaks into a nation. 27 00:02:14.990 --> 00:02:21.460 Incremental steps, he slithers and he dislike a python. He can almost hit 28 00:02:21.620 --> 00:02:27.340 that python almost hypnotizes if you've ever seen that a national geographic movie where you've 29 00:02:27.340 --> 00:02:31.090 got a python on a tree and a monkey sitting there going when pointing in, 30 00:02:31.610 --> 00:02:36.409 and yet the monkey doesn't move and the python out. This is over 31 00:02:36.449 --> 00:02:39.770 a period of time and and and the python just slowly but surely, and 32 00:02:39.849 --> 00:02:45.120 then he gets around the monkey and he kills the Monkey East. The monkey 33 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:49.919 had could have gotten away a bazillion times, but didn't because this python got 34 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.000 and just and just slowly took him out. No, if you get a 35 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.000 man goose and you put him with a python, there's a whole different story. 36 00:02:57.080 --> 00:02:59.629 That Mon Goose is going out to kill that snake. That's it. 37 00:02:59.830 --> 00:03:01.949 That's just the way it is. That's the battle. Adam should have been 38 00:03:01.990 --> 00:03:06.990 there. He knew, he knew that she was not to eat. So 39 00:03:07.629 --> 00:03:12.069 show he incrementally takes things away from us. So that's how do we go 40 00:03:12.189 --> 00:03:17.379 when we're talking about the issue of abortion and we're talking about incrementalism, sort 41 00:03:17.419 --> 00:03:20.740 of what you're saying is, and I think this is what people need to 42 00:03:20.819 --> 00:03:27.210 get, is that an incremental approach to ending abortion as almost using the devil's 43 00:03:27.250 --> 00:03:30.849 tactics, like it's devil coasically. Okay, that using the tactics of the 44 00:03:30.969 --> 00:03:37.090 devil rather than God's word. Okay, and so that's, of course, 45 00:03:37.210 --> 00:03:39.210 you know, Gospel Center pro life, that the focus of this podcast is, 46 00:03:39.689 --> 00:03:43.400 you know, talking about pro life stuff, talking about abortion and light 47 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.439 of the Gospel, the truth of God's word, the impact that God's word 48 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:50.400 has on a human heart rather than our you know, even medical facts, 49 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.080 all this stuff, that stuff that can be good. It's ultimate. It's 50 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.949 God's word that changes the heart. And and what you're saying is it's God's 51 00:03:55.990 --> 00:04:00.430 word that wins this battle. It's God's it's obedience to what God is saying 52 00:04:00.629 --> 00:04:05.310 is word. So walk through kind of how that works and how Christians can 53 00:04:05.430 --> 00:04:09.110 sort of fall for that trap. As far as incrementalism, mean, you 54 00:04:09.270 --> 00:04:12.580 just practically speaking, had a conversation with the Christian this morning about, you 55 00:04:12.659 --> 00:04:17.019 know, is it a bad thing that legislation is passed that will limit abortions 56 00:04:17.019 --> 00:04:20.300 at a certain you know, at a certain stage? And in my mind 57 00:04:20.339 --> 00:04:24.259 I'm thinking it's not a bad I mean, if a baby saved because they 58 00:04:24.290 --> 00:04:27.490 pass some incremental thing, I don't put it a whole lot of thought of 59 00:04:27.529 --> 00:04:30.769 this. This of a evn't any too and in anyway. So it's so 60 00:04:30.889 --> 00:04:33.930 sort of correct and understanding. And well, let me just go back now. 61 00:04:34.050 --> 00:04:40.879 So I we're talking about to people and to and two nations. This 62 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.399 is how the devil works. He doesn't change. Ever, this is what 63 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:46.920 he does. Slowly but surely, he begins to suck you and he begins 64 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:51.160 to break down and he starts always with did God really say? He tells 65 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:57.310 this book into question. So and one, nineteen sixty two we had a 66 00:04:57.310 --> 00:05:00.750 supreme court decision. I'll just give you some Supreme Court decission. Nineteen Sixty 67 00:05:00.750 --> 00:05:05.149 two supreme court decision called angle versus fatal and angle versus fatalel it removed prayer 68 00:05:05.310 --> 00:05:12.459 from school, slowly but surely. In nineteen sixty three there was another supreme 69 00:05:12.500 --> 00:05:18.500 court case called Abington versus Shimp and in that one they removed Bible reading from 70 00:05:18.540 --> 00:05:25.129 school. Well, so you remove God from school, you see, slowly 71 00:05:25.250 --> 00:05:27.490 but sure. Yeah, we don't do it right away. Yeah, that 72 00:05:27.610 --> 00:05:30.610 devil doesn't show up with horns and a pitchfork and a red you know. 73 00:05:30.970 --> 00:05:33.649 Yeah, he's just incrementally saying, though, these things are right, because 74 00:05:33.769 --> 00:05:38.720 isn't there a separation between Church and state? And and uses that argument. 75 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:42.240 Did God really say? So, let's just keep that out of the public 76 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:46.199 school. Well, when you remove God from the Public School, when he's 77 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.069 expelled from school, banished from the schoolyard, he's replaced with all sorts of 78 00:05:50.189 --> 00:05:55.470 other things, and so we get this whole breakdown of morals and then we 79 00:05:55.750 --> 00:05:59.470 now we're into the S and we're into free sex, were into everything else 80 00:05:59.509 --> 00:06:03.379 that you could possibly imagine. And I'm Januaries twenty two, one thousand nine 81 00:06:03.379 --> 00:06:08.019 hundred and seventy three. The Supreme Court comes up with another decision called roll 82 00:06:08.060 --> 00:06:10.980 versus Wade. Roll versus Wade says, well, look, if you're having 83 00:06:11.019 --> 00:06:13.620 sex like this and you, if you're having sex like animals, are going 84 00:06:13.620 --> 00:06:16.740 to have sex with anything that's warm, then what's going to happen? Well, 85 00:06:16.779 --> 00:06:19.050 you're probably going to get some babies. I don't care what kind of 86 00:06:19.089 --> 00:06:23.769 contraceptive you use, they're probably going to be babies produced, and indeed there 87 00:06:23.850 --> 00:06:27.649 were. So how do we solve this problem? Well, it tells us 88 00:06:27.769 --> 00:06:30.050 in the Bible that all who hate me love death. Yeah, that's what 89 00:06:30.170 --> 00:06:33.040 it says in proverbs, Chapter Eight, verse Thirty Six. But all who 90 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:38.000 hate me love death. Death becomes the answer to everything. So, if 91 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:42.439 you're pregnant, what we what we did? The Supreme Court just opened up 92 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.319 the door to know. Now abortion. You see how the devil came in 93 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.029 six thousand one hundred and sixty two, and we see and we see all 94 00:06:48.110 --> 00:06:50.790 of this stuff going on. Daniel, I'm going to have to shut this 95 00:06:50.949 --> 00:06:58.709 thing off. All Right, man, Devil's like incrementally and our podcast, 96 00:06:58.829 --> 00:07:00.579 well, I should you know better, I should know how to operate these 97 00:07:00.660 --> 00:07:06.220 things, but as so, so we see how the devil is incrementally moving 98 00:07:06.300 --> 00:07:10.060 in. Yeah, and and so now, when people get pregnant, what 99 00:07:10.139 --> 00:07:12.740 you do, as you kill kids, and spreme court said that it was 100 00:07:12.779 --> 00:07:16.649 legal and it's okay. And so now we see God's Word is completely broken. 101 00:07:16.889 --> 00:07:20.050 And now a little baby boys and girls in their mother's wombs are no 102 00:07:20.209 --> 00:07:24.930 longer safe from anyone that wants to kill him. It's open season. And 103 00:07:25.209 --> 00:07:30.399 in and that companion case was do versus Bolton, which said now and opened 104 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:33.040 it up to all nine months, so you could kill a child in all 105 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:39.800 nine months, and and and and so what we have is this awful, 106 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.990 horrible thing that now over sixty million little baby boys and girls are dead. 107 00:07:45.110 --> 00:07:48.269 Today. One third of the generation forty seven years old and younger isn't here 108 00:07:48.310 --> 00:07:51.750 today. They've already been killed by abortion. And what does the devil do? 109 00:07:53.110 --> 00:07:57.230 He comes to rob to kill him, to destroy abortion before it's anything 110 00:07:57.269 --> 00:08:00.980 else. Is Pre eminently a gospel issue now, it were. It has 111 00:08:01.060 --> 00:08:07.060 ramifications in politics, but politics always follows what's going on spiritually. Well, 112 00:08:07.100 --> 00:08:11.740 our spiritual battle is this that this enemy is come to drop, to kill 113 00:08:11.740 --> 00:08:13.730 him, to destroy but Jesus has come that we might have life and have 114 00:08:13.810 --> 00:08:18.610 it more abundantly. And so what we're called to do is not to be 115 00:08:18.769 --> 00:08:24.250 the master of the state nor its slave. We are to be the conscience 116 00:08:24.329 --> 00:08:26.399 of the STIKA. And that's where we lose our way. Because, you 117 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:31.000 see, if you're going to get involved in the political argument of this and 118 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:35.559 try to do and solve this, this horrible thing that is devastating and savaging 119 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:39.919 our land, the murder of these children, if you're going to try to 120 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.909 do that politically, then politics is the art of compromise. Now, how 121 00:08:43.950 --> 00:08:46.389 do you think God feels about compromising his word? Yeah, well, of 122 00:08:46.470 --> 00:08:50.230 course we have in the word stick commands against compromising the truth of God. 123 00:08:50.389 --> 00:08:58.620 And when you love suffering under the subtle compromises of a liar Satan. Yeah, 124 00:08:58.620 --> 00:09:03.299 and so we've got ourselves convinced that if we will incrementally, another word, 125 00:09:03.539 --> 00:09:11.129 use Satan's method and will incrementally get in so and begin to work politically 126 00:09:11.450 --> 00:09:16.690 to solve this problem, what happens is we're going to have to compromise God's 127 00:09:16.690 --> 00:09:20.090 word. So we come up with pieces of legislation which are well intentioned and 128 00:09:20.529 --> 00:09:26.200 with really true motives to save babies. So we come up with things like, 129 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:33.240 all right, let's let's add the exceptions clause and yes to everything. 130 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:39.429 So, so, rape, incest, life of the mother. Yeah, 131 00:09:39.549 --> 00:09:43.590 that was the first pro life compromise. That was way back in the beginning 132 00:09:43.629 --> 00:09:46.350 and we were the ones that initiated it. So we so we basically saying, 133 00:09:46.389 --> 00:09:50.389 you know, so our goal. We when an abortion was unleashed by 134 00:09:50.429 --> 00:09:54.779 the Supreme Court on our nation, as as believers, believers rose up and 135 00:09:54.820 --> 00:09:58.019 say this is not right. But in rising up, instead of saying this 136 00:09:58.100 --> 00:10:01.779 is not right because God's word says it's not right, and it's not right 137 00:10:01.820 --> 00:10:05.580 at all. No exceptions, we decided we'd go ahead and throw some exceptions 138 00:10:05.620 --> 00:10:07.809 in there for you so there would be more acceptable to the world. Is 139 00:10:07.809 --> 00:10:11.169 that sort of the so that we could yes, so that we could protect 140 00:10:11.289 --> 00:10:15.970 life? Yeah, we so we put these exceptions on here. So, 141 00:10:16.210 --> 00:10:18.649 and the devil is willing to sign off on that. You'll sign any piece 142 00:10:18.769 --> 00:10:22.720 of pro life legislation that we've come up with. Yet every single one including 143 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.120 the hurt pop bill. Okay, he'll sign it. Yeah, this talk 144 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:33.039 a little bit about because you know when we're coming in earlier and coming down 145 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:37.070 here to start record, and we talked about the the Faustian wager and that 146 00:10:37.149 --> 00:10:41.830 sort of ties into that, that whole sort of compromise and almost like making 147 00:10:41.830 --> 00:10:43.470 a deal with the devil. So explain that a little bit, as it 148 00:10:43.549 --> 00:10:48.029 has to do with incrementalism and why that's a trap. And you know, 149 00:10:48.149 --> 00:10:52.419 some folks that are that are listening have no clue what we're even talking about. 150 00:10:52.419 --> 00:10:56.100 Maybe even don't even know about incrementalism or mediatism or any of that. 151 00:10:56.779 --> 00:11:00.820 But so the Faustian wager is may even more of a complex thing that it's 152 00:11:00.860 --> 00:11:03.059 pretty simple to understand. It is it's an old story about the devil, 153 00:11:03.139 --> 00:11:09.889 as sometimes named Mephistophilis or what. But it's the same argument. This incremental 154 00:11:09.929 --> 00:11:16.370 approach. This is mephistophilis WHO's coming to to deal with Dr Faust, and 155 00:11:16.409 --> 00:11:18.360 Dr Faust is going to sell his soul to the devil so that he can 156 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:24.559 have power and enlightenment. Okay, and and so mephistoft least really tries to 157 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.799 talk foulest out of it, but fils ultimately gives in to the devil's emissary. 158 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:31.679 Now, mephistoph least it's not the devil, just one of his little 159 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:37.190 minions, okay, that he's got operating. And so they make this wager. 160 00:11:37.629 --> 00:11:39.909 Well, I know. So here's my question. This is what I 161 00:11:39.950 --> 00:11:43.509 asked churches. I say, well, if Donald Trump, who's now president, 162 00:11:43.549 --> 00:11:46.700 would would say to you, listen, I will, as far as 163 00:11:46.740 --> 00:11:52.379 it's up to me, in the United States of America, make abortion illegal. 164 00:11:54.500 --> 00:11:58.940 Now, in Brownsville, Texas, there there were several little babies that 165 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:01.330 died because they were born without brain stems or something like that. They were 166 00:12:01.409 --> 00:12:05.330 going to die there. We're going to live for only a couple of hours, 167 00:12:05.129 --> 00:12:09.169 you know, after the babies were born. And and that was going 168 00:12:09.210 --> 00:12:11.929 on down in Brownsville Texas, and this was back in one thousand nine hundred 169 00:12:11.929 --> 00:12:16.480 and ninety two and and he said this to you. He said this if, 170 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.919 if you will give me those two little babies or three little babies holiver, 171 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:24.120 many were born then that were born without friends brain stems, are only 172 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.399 going to be here for a short period of time. If you'll give me 173 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.360 those, I will, to the best of my ability. I am going 174 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.990 to stop abortion in this country. I'll make law, I'll do everything, 175 00:12:33.149 --> 00:12:37.710 I can, sign executive orders, whatever's necessary. The question then becomes, 176 00:12:37.950 --> 00:12:41.509 would you, Daniel Parks, make that deal? Yeah, so we're talking 177 00:12:43.110 --> 00:12:46.500 three babies that I would just say, okay, they're valuable, but I'm 178 00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:50.500 willing to compromise and say Yay, they can, they'll just unfortunately have to 179 00:12:50.620 --> 00:12:56.139 die and then potentially we can save so many thousands, hundreds of thousands of 180 00:12:56.179 --> 00:12:58.210 millions more. That's a yeah. But what you think of then that? 181 00:12:58.409 --> 00:13:01.210 What does your own flesh tell you? Yeah, I mean my flesh says, 182 00:13:01.289 --> 00:13:05.889 okay, it's maybe a good maybe a good trade. Say You did. 183 00:13:07.649 --> 00:13:09.730 I mean I would like to thank that my church because again, I'm 184 00:13:09.730 --> 00:13:13.600 going to look at this. My flesh certainly wants to rise up and take 185 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.000 over and make this decision, but I know what God's Word says and I 186 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.639 know ultimately that me making a wager with this, with the with the president 187 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:24.200 era, with the Supreme Court, is not what's going to end abortion. 188 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:26.230 It's going to be God. So I'm going to I'm going to appeal to 189 00:13:26.269 --> 00:13:30.429 the Lord and say it's not my choice to make. So you mean to 190 00:13:30.549 --> 00:13:33.070 tell me, and you would tell all those are the girls that are down 191 00:13:33.190 --> 00:13:37.350 to abortion mill right today. You would tell them all that I, Daniel 192 00:13:37.389 --> 00:13:41.070 Parks, and not going to make that deal and all the babies that are 193 00:13:41.149 --> 00:13:43.659 coming in here today could be saved. Yeah, yeah, I mean because, 194 00:13:43.659 --> 00:13:48.059 ultimately, again, I'm not leaning. You know, the Bible speaks 195 00:13:48.100 --> 00:13:50.299 against leaning on the arm of deflation. Well, I think you put it 196 00:13:50.340 --> 00:13:54.139 in the hands of the Lord. Ultimately, right. Well, and you 197 00:13:54.620 --> 00:13:58.570 and you stand strong on God's word. I mean, it's not an easy 198 00:13:58.009 --> 00:14:01.330 it's not an easy question to answer. The answer. Would your wife, 199 00:14:01.409 --> 00:14:05.529 Courtney say? Yeah, I mean when she's I think. I would like 200 00:14:05.610 --> 00:14:07.850 to think she would let me lead in that area, as you would let 201 00:14:07.850 --> 00:14:11.919 me contain where the pants she might, but she say, Daniel, you're 202 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:13.960 a real idiot. That's yeah, no, I'm sure you. You can't 203 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:18.480 really do this. I meant to save millions. I mean, doesn't it 204 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.440 makes sense? It makes absolute perfect well, sir, I mean I guess 205 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.269 so. In my mind, I'm thinking number one, I don't trust the 206 00:14:26.350 --> 00:14:28.029 thing that Donald Trump says that he's going to be. Yeah, right, 207 00:14:28.070 --> 00:14:31.789 I mean, I don't trust politicians, I don't trust you know, make 208 00:14:31.789 --> 00:14:33.710 it. You could, let's say, let's say I could. Yeah, 209 00:14:33.710 --> 00:14:37.580 I think. I mean it bowls down to it's not my it's not my 210 00:14:37.700 --> 00:14:43.620 choice to determine whether or not someone leaves choishes. I mean to the mothers 211 00:14:43.899 --> 00:14:46.740 that are making the decision to have an abortion, it's their choice to kill 212 00:14:46.740 --> 00:14:50.899 their child's but whose choice is this decision? Did? Yeah, I'm I 213 00:14:50.980 --> 00:14:52.210 guess it. It's laid at my doorstep. Yeah, it's mine. And 214 00:14:52.330 --> 00:14:56.769 you would say no to that, right? I would say absolutely no. 215 00:14:56.009 --> 00:15:01.970 Just add it on us word and so every single person that you know, 216 00:15:01.330 --> 00:15:05.570 your friends, your mom and dad, probably, unless people really have thought 217 00:15:05.610 --> 00:15:11.480 this thing through theologically, would say you are an idiot. I mean even 218 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:15.120 think I'm anything. You can't. I mean ask Jason Janez. You had 219 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:16.919 him here. I'll tell you. I know what he's going to say. 220 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.590 Yeah, and it would probably surprise you. Maybe not, but but the 221 00:15:22.669 --> 00:15:26.190 fact of the matter is that asked David and Jason Donham. That okay, 222 00:15:26.429 --> 00:15:31.549 that's a good boy. They're hey, they should answer right there because because, 223 00:15:31.750 --> 00:15:37.220 I believe me this, when we understand the ramifications of this battle and 224 00:15:37.340 --> 00:15:39.580 how it will be fought and how it must be one. We cannot. 225 00:15:39.620 --> 00:15:43.580 We have got to trust in the Lord with all of our heart, not 226 00:15:43.740 --> 00:15:46.899 trust our heart. Yeah, we're and we're not to follow our heart. 227 00:15:46.980 --> 00:15:48.700 Our hearts are going to lie to US, just like they're going to lie 228 00:15:48.779 --> 00:15:54.409 to probably everybody that's out there right now listening to you and me. They're 229 00:15:54.450 --> 00:15:58.490 saying, you take the deal. Yeah, the problem is, God never 230 00:15:58.889 --> 00:16:03.360 gave you the moral authority to make that deal. Yeah, that's his deal. 231 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:07.559 He is the one that determines. God never gave you that chip. 232 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:12.360 The chips all belong to him. We can't get in the place of God 233 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.759 to make that deal. The only thing that we can do is stand for 234 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:22.870 every single little baby, boy or girl, and those two little babies born 235 00:16:22.950 --> 00:16:26.990 without the brain stems in the Brownsville, Texas Irish passis and God site as 236 00:16:27.070 --> 00:16:30.710 a seven and a half billion people on this planet. Yeah, and we've 237 00:16:30.710 --> 00:16:34.259 got to begin to see things from his perspective. So then what do we 238 00:16:34.379 --> 00:16:37.539 do, God? Yeah, I mean, how how are you going to 239 00:16:37.659 --> 00:16:41.340 want us? You want us to how are we going to overcome this if 240 00:16:41.419 --> 00:16:45.620 we don't have that bargaining chip and we don't God? Just wondering. Trust 241 00:16:45.779 --> 00:16:49.289 into the Lord with all your heart, not trust your heart, not trust 242 00:16:49.330 --> 00:16:53.889 your got. Now the Hollywood mantras is follow your heart and not that. 243 00:16:55.450 --> 00:17:00.690 She said. It says trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean 244 00:17:00.929 --> 00:17:06.400 not on your own understanding. Yeah, our own understanding and reason is going 245 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:08.880 to take us right down there if we are not governed and run. There's 246 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:11.920 there is a way, scrub verbs, I think says two or three times. 247 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:15.160 There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end 248 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.910 of that way is death leads to that. So I mean one of the 249 00:17:17.990 --> 00:17:21.109 things that we're looking at is, you know, as I look at the 250 00:17:21.190 --> 00:17:25.269 issue of abortion, I look at it from from merely almost like a gospel 251 00:17:25.390 --> 00:17:30.980 preacher standpoint and not really the legislative or the whatever that's like. Man, 252 00:17:32.140 --> 00:17:36.460 what's the the end goal is the proclamation of the Gospel and that the Gospel 253 00:17:36.539 --> 00:17:40.619 takes root in a human heart, and that's ultimately abortion ends sort of de 254 00:17:40.779 --> 00:17:44.650 facto when the Gospel takes root in a society. That's sort of where I 255 00:17:44.730 --> 00:17:48.890 come from. But when I hear you know people and they make good arguments 256 00:17:48.930 --> 00:17:52.329 and I hear you know about well this this legislation, heartbeat bills, or 257 00:17:53.009 --> 00:17:56.170 you know twenty week bands or whatever. It's like these are going to say 258 00:17:56.210 --> 00:18:00.799 babies. I don't really push against that because I'm like, well, if 259 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.279 it does, and praise God. I just don't I don't know from a 260 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:10.079 from a biblical standpoint. How do we, and how should we take a 261 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:17.430 stance against that sort of incrementalist mindset? What's the dangers of allowing that incrementalist 262 00:18:17.430 --> 00:18:22.390 mindset to continue without addressing it? And and what are sort of what's the 263 00:18:22.430 --> 00:18:26.660 alternative then? Well, we have an alternative. When Jesus was tempted, 264 00:18:27.819 --> 00:18:32.500 what did he use? The devil did all sorts of reasoning with him. 265 00:18:32.579 --> 00:18:36.859 You're hungry, turn these stones into bread. Yeah, and need and forty 266 00:18:36.859 --> 00:18:38.140 days. Sure, it makes sense. I mean, you know, and 267 00:18:38.380 --> 00:18:42.049 it's not going to these subtle compromises of a liar. You know, just 268 00:18:42.450 --> 00:18:45.250 if you really want to, you know, people to worship you, just 269 00:18:45.329 --> 00:18:48.289 show how strong you are, jump off the pinnacle of the temple. And 270 00:18:48.369 --> 00:18:53.130 yet and and you know what, they'll all worship you if you are the 271 00:18:53.210 --> 00:18:56.319 son of God. You you see, you hear the compromises. What was 272 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:00.720 the one weapon that Jesus used? The word of gutsump him exactly. It 273 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:07.480 is written, remember, back in Genesis, chapter three versus one, and 274 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:11.190 to you see, did God really say yeah? And so what you're saying 275 00:19:11.269 --> 00:19:17.509 then, is that when we're doing, you know, our legislative kind of 276 00:19:17.630 --> 00:19:19.589 hurt, you know, making these different I don't say hurdles, but we're 277 00:19:19.630 --> 00:19:26.259 making these legislative moves and all of this stuff, is it ultimately we're compromising 278 00:19:26.420 --> 00:19:29.500 by saying, I'm I've heard you say it before, when we make bills 279 00:19:29.539 --> 00:19:33.019 and we leave exceptions in those bills, we're basically saying this, this and 280 00:19:33.099 --> 00:19:36.420 this and then you can kill the baby. And so you're saying that doing 281 00:19:36.500 --> 00:19:41.089 that is not standing on the word of God, that it's compromising God's word 282 00:19:41.089 --> 00:19:45.650 and it's making a deal ultimately with with truth. That because every single one 283 00:19:45.690 --> 00:19:52.210 of those pieces of legislation, as well intentioned as they are, with Dynamic 284 00:19:52.250 --> 00:19:56.119 Christians that are saying, yes, they just haven't thought this out, okay, 285 00:19:56.319 --> 00:20:02.000 but but it's that caveat seven words and then you can kill the baby. 286 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:07.069 So parental consent. Well, would you sign this piece of legislation as 287 00:20:07.069 --> 00:20:12.109 a Christian, would God, have you signed this piece of legislation that when 288 00:20:12.150 --> 00:20:18.470 a parent consents to the murder of their grandchild or you know, yeah, 289 00:20:18.509 --> 00:20:26.940 if they consent to that or when or their child, then you can kill 290 00:20:26.980 --> 00:20:30.500 the baby if they have a consent. Is that true? I mean that 291 00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:33.859 if they get the parents consent? Yeah, is it true that they can 292 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:37.730 kill the baby? So that's okay then, well, it's it's not okay 293 00:20:37.769 --> 00:20:41.609 in God's life and in government. So white all right, so signing that 294 00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:44.769 pet even with that, I mean there's like, you know, you can 295 00:20:44.809 --> 00:20:47.849 get a young lady can get a waiver where she didn't have to have him. 296 00:20:48.049 --> 00:20:51.440 I absolutely she can do things. But but the fact of the matter 297 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:56.160 is that we spend a lot of time working to get parental consent and a 298 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.240 lot of money in the pro life industry begins to get involved. The pro 299 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:04.549 life industry is God to show that it is accomplishing something so that we continue 300 00:21:04.589 --> 00:21:07.390 to get the funds coming in. Now, unfortunately, for a lot of 301 00:21:07.509 --> 00:21:14.349 pro life ministries, what happens is the modality that was birthed in sacrifice and 302 00:21:15.430 --> 00:21:19.700 filled with vision and mission to save babies becomes after a while, just like 303 00:21:19.900 --> 00:21:23.700 churches, just like us as we walk and Christian like, we become so 304 00:21:23.900 --> 00:21:29.819 daladies. You lose vision and mission and you get involved and I got to 305 00:21:29.819 --> 00:21:32.339 support this beast. Yeah, I got it, and so I build like 306 00:21:32.420 --> 00:21:36.009 a frank and church or Frankin Ministry, where I got to do this and 307 00:21:36.130 --> 00:21:38.730 we got to do that, because strategy has replaced truth. Yeah, and 308 00:21:38.930 --> 00:21:42.450 this is the devastating thing. We are moving God out of the equation and 309 00:21:42.569 --> 00:21:45.690 we're trying on our own. Trusting in the Lord with all your heart and 310 00:21:45.930 --> 00:21:51.799 lean not on your own understanding. Yeah, in all your ways, acknowledge 311 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:56.880 me and I will make your paths straight. God is made a promise. 312 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:02.670 I will do it. Trust me in this. Our duty is not to 313 00:22:03.069 --> 00:22:07.190 compromise and strategize how to do this. Our duty is to love God first 314 00:22:07.509 --> 00:22:12.990 and love our neighbor as ourself. And our duty is to live out his 315 00:22:14.190 --> 00:22:18.500 word and allow the Theology of Heaven to become biography right in the streets another. 316 00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:22.660 So let the word of God become flesh. Because how did Jesus save 317 00:22:22.059 --> 00:22:26.339 a wretch like me? He had to calm down into this pit to rescue 318 00:22:26.420 --> 00:22:30.930 me. Yeah, there was nothing that I could do. Are No strategy 319 00:22:30.009 --> 00:22:34.809 that I could develop to make myself to cover one of my sins. Only 320 00:22:36.089 --> 00:22:38.210 he could have done it, and he did it, and he's saying now, 321 00:22:38.930 --> 00:22:41.890 as I have loved you, I want you to go out and love. 322 00:22:42.049 --> 00:22:45.279 I want you to love others. I want you to love the world. 323 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:47.599 Is I have loved you so that they will see what love does. 324 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:56.440 Love never sits idly buy what little children are being killed? In six months, 325 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:00.269 right here in the city of Charlotte, we got three abortion mills and 326 00:23:00.470 --> 00:23:03.390 planned parenthood. It's waiting to do them, but can't thank God for the 327 00:23:03.470 --> 00:23:07.950 prayers of the saints that are stopping them from doing that. But in six 328 00:23:08.029 --> 00:23:12.539 months this whole abortion Holocaust in in the city of Charlotte. Now are we 329 00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:15.980 can stop all abortions? Of course not. You don't stop all sin either. 330 00:23:17.099 --> 00:23:19.420 What we are what we are looking to do, is to tell the 331 00:23:19.539 --> 00:23:23.380 truth so that the nation knows the truth about God, the truth about abortion, 332 00:23:23.420 --> 00:23:29.529 and that's our duty. We are the compass. We point true north. 333 00:23:30.170 --> 00:23:33.130 We don't ever compromise God's word. We stand on God's word. So 334 00:23:33.289 --> 00:23:37.809 is we allow that to become life every single day. Like those folks out 335 00:23:37.849 --> 00:23:41.400 there right now that are there pleading for the MOMS, they are living out 336 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.680 the truth. They are doing it. They're compromising nothing. Yeah, nothing. 337 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:48.640 And they're laying their lives down. That's what they're doing out there. 338 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.799 Yeah, if the church were to show go up in mass, if we 339 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:59.430 if we saw three rolds being taken into an abortion mill right thousand hundred and 340 00:23:59.430 --> 00:24:02.509 twenty Latrobe Avenue, right down the street, if we saw three year olds 341 00:24:02.549 --> 00:24:06.150 taken in, their Mama was taken a man they and Mama said, look 342 00:24:06.150 --> 00:24:08.349 at I can't raise the child. I'm I'm got college, I've got so 343 00:24:08.509 --> 00:24:11.700 many things that I'm not a good mom and so I'm going to take him 344 00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:14.460 in. They're going to give him a little shop, put him to sleep, 345 00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:18.180 nobody won't even know, and then another shot that will take him out, 346 00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:21.500 because I'm a bad mother and I know it and I admit it. 347 00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:26.009 What will we do if we saw that happening down there as a church? 348 00:24:26.049 --> 00:24:29.930 Yeah, we were, I mean you amountaintly different. We would be down 349 00:24:29.970 --> 00:24:33.450 there. Well, we've got three month old in the womb that are just 350 00:24:33.650 --> 00:24:37.089 as precious and fully human as that three year old child outside of the womb 351 00:24:37.529 --> 00:24:42.039 being taken in there. When you have eyes to see this, God says 352 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:47.480 love your neighbor as yourself. Yeah, what they've done to me, what 353 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:49.279 you've done to the least of these, my brother, and you have done 354 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:52.910 it unto me. Yeah, another we're Jordan nailing Jesus to the cross again 355 00:24:52.990 --> 00:24:56.950 in if we in the church are going to sit back and say, well, 356 00:24:56.950 --> 00:25:00.309 I'm not called to that ministry. We got other ministries. We take 357 00:25:00.349 --> 00:25:03.789 care of the homeless. They're all wonderful. We've got cristis pregnancy centers over 358 00:25:03.829 --> 00:25:07.859 here and over there to help mom. It's like building a hospital next to 359 00:25:07.900 --> 00:25:11.380 a concentration camp. Yeah, come on that. They're people in the concentration 360 00:25:11.460 --> 00:25:15.539 camp and what they need is that someone to bring them healing right now. 361 00:25:15.619 --> 00:25:19.220 What they need is somebody to rescue them out of the concentration camp. Yeah, 362 00:25:19.460 --> 00:25:25.329 that's so so understand. The crisis pregnancy centers are wonderful, but you've 363 00:25:25.329 --> 00:25:29.009 got to have that. You can't have your front lines up crisis pregnancy center. 364 00:25:29.049 --> 00:25:32.730 Yeah, I mean any more than the marines will send Triaj in first. 365 00:25:33.009 --> 00:25:36.240 Yeah, the Marines have got to go in first and Triaj is back 366 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:40.000 there to take care of the guys who get wounded, going, going, 367 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:44.119 and so understand that when the church rises up and says see, because how 368 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:48.440 we fight the battle is determined by what we perceive the battle to be. 369 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:53.029 Yeah, and if they really are killing children there, and we really believe 370 00:25:53.150 --> 00:25:56.589 that, then what are we called to do? We are called to empty 371 00:25:56.710 --> 00:26:02.309 ourselves and lay our life down that that child might live, precisely what they're 372 00:26:02.349 --> 00:26:06.099 doing out at the abortion m yeah, but there are others that have said, 373 00:26:06.140 --> 00:26:08.099 well, what I'm going to do is, and this is how I 374 00:26:08.259 --> 00:26:11.700 started, you know, we're going to write letters to our congressman. Yes, 375 00:26:11.059 --> 00:26:14.259 what good is that going to do for the little baby boy or girl 376 00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:17.539 that's going in today if the latter doesn't get there for three days? And 377 00:26:17.660 --> 00:26:22.450 DC, plus the fact we're looking now to Washington DC to take care of 378 00:26:22.609 --> 00:26:29.289 this problem? Washington DC cannot. The gates of how will always prevailed against 379 00:26:29.410 --> 00:26:32.920 sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue and lot of twenty. The Gates of mail are at 380 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.759 one thousand six hundred, is even newer. The Congress there there, they 381 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:41.880 can't fight. The only institution were damed by God to come against this enemy 382 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.519 is the Church of the Living God. And the problem is we don't know 383 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.750 that. We are not cleansed sort of one, since we sort of relegated 384 00:26:48.789 --> 00:26:56.390 our responsibility to the legislature into the one hundred Pennsylvania Avenue, and that's sort 385 00:26:56.390 --> 00:27:02.539 of want when I look at incremental steps to ending abortion. And and again 386 00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:06.500 I'm not always like stnicely opposed of those things, probably to a fault myself. 387 00:27:06.700 --> 00:27:08.180 It's just not my I don't know, just hadn't put a lot of 388 00:27:08.259 --> 00:27:12.579 thought to it, although I am recently doing so. But the biggest danger 389 00:27:12.700 --> 00:27:15.970 I see for the church is that when we pass, you know, a 390 00:27:17.049 --> 00:27:21.849 twenty week ban or, you know, the parental consent or even a heartbeat 391 00:27:21.890 --> 00:27:25.089 bill, that we think somehow that okay, we've won the battle, or 392 00:27:25.089 --> 00:27:29.170 if we won a battle. and to me that's the biggest dangers, that 393 00:27:29.250 --> 00:27:30.440 we can sit back and say, okay, we did our part, we 394 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.720 voted, we had our people in place, you know, our politicians whatnot, 395 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.839 and we want to a battle. And you know, there's a lot 396 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:42.680 of celebration when these certain legislation is passed and the prolife organizations and even Christians 397 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.789 are rejoicing and and all of that. and to me that's that's the danger. 398 00:27:45.869 --> 00:27:48.390 You know who we sit man? Who is won the battle? When 399 00:27:48.470 --> 00:27:53.069 we sit back? The devil exactly. He's one. Yeah, he and 400 00:27:53.549 --> 00:27:57.470 he wins every day that we don't deal with this. When I said that 401 00:27:57.579 --> 00:28:03.819 the church could end this in Charlotte in six months, I need to I 402 00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:07.539 need to just put put a statement in front of that, a statement that 403 00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:12.369 carries us through, that abortion will come to an end in America, in 404 00:28:12.529 --> 00:28:18.089 the city of Charlotte, when the Church of Jesus Christ makes up her mind, 405 00:28:18.329 --> 00:28:19.930 it will come to an end. And Yeah, one che and sooner. 406 00:28:21.650 --> 00:28:25.009 You see, we have a God and when we perceive this battle and 407 00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:29.440 see what it really is, when we see that they're actually living human beings 408 00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:32.960 that are going to be ripped apart. So don't tell me about your ministries 409 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.680 all over here. There isn't another place that I know of or that you 410 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:40.960 know of in the city of Charlotte where people are actually being killed and you 411 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.549 know they're going to be killed, then right here, that there's an immediacy 412 00:28:44.710 --> 00:28:48.150 here, that these these children need a voice. Yeah, if the Church 413 00:28:48.269 --> 00:28:52.470 would come out in mass, it's over. We just come out into what 414 00:28:52.670 --> 00:28:55.069 all? What are you supposed to do when you come out yet to have 415 00:28:55.349 --> 00:28:57.740 church in the street? Yeah. So, so we're going to have what 416 00:28:57.859 --> 00:29:02.660 in November sixteen? We're going to have four five thousand people out here, 417 00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:06.380 maybe more. Yeah, Melton the street. How long do you think abortions 418 00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:10.410 go to last? If, if everything did that day, if we got 419 00:29:10.490 --> 00:29:14.130 every single day, we got the praying, singing Church of Jesus Christ out 420 00:29:14.170 --> 00:29:18.890 here, all of a sudden everything changes. The police can't arrest enough people, 421 00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:22.250 you know, they can't terrify them, or they're going to have people 422 00:29:22.329 --> 00:29:25.400 in and then other Christians are going to come in, they're going to catch 423 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.640 and see what happens. Is If will unloose that on Earth, God promises 424 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.640 that I will loose it from heaven. Yeah, you know, I'm you, 425 00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:36.279 and so let's do it. Let's allow the theology of having let God 426 00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:41.509 win this victory. We are God's answer to this. The same thing happened 427 00:29:41.589 --> 00:29:45.430 with the issue of slavery. It was just a different colored glove. It 428 00:29:45.630 --> 00:29:48.750 was our black brothers and sisters, and the Supreme Court in one thousand eight 429 00:29:48.789 --> 00:29:52.299 hundred and fifty seven declared our black brothers and sisters not fully human. What 430 00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:56.299 we try to come up with all sorts of compromises, the three fifths law. 431 00:29:56.420 --> 00:30:00.140 What will make him three fists of a person? That was to appease 432 00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:03.380 the south, to keep them still a part of the union. So you 433 00:30:03.460 --> 00:30:07.019 could count the slaves as three fists of a vote, right, and so 434 00:30:07.410 --> 00:30:11.049 you all of these political compromises. Henry Clay, the great compromiser, couldn't 435 00:30:11.049 --> 00:30:18.009 fix this because the issue was never political. It had its manifestation there, 436 00:30:18.089 --> 00:30:22.759 but at the very heart of it it was a battle over who is Lord 437 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.079 and whose law's reign. If God is Lord, our black brothers and sisters 438 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.640 are fully human, not three fists. So stop doing that, stop compromising 439 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:37.230 God's worth their five fists of a person. Yeah, one hundred percent. 440 00:30:37.509 --> 00:30:41.309 And and you know, Lincoln, when he became president, had no intention 441 00:30:41.950 --> 00:30:47.029 of ending slavery at all when he became president. Now, after two years 442 00:30:47.509 --> 00:30:52.819 of the presidency in the south seceding. Then it became apparent there was going 443 00:30:52.819 --> 00:30:55.859 to be a war. Yeah, and there was a war and six hundred 444 00:30:56.019 --> 00:31:00.619 thousand, six hundred thousand plus men died in the civil war. Six hundred 445 00:31:00.660 --> 00:31:03.769 thousand. That's more than I have died in all the wars since then. 446 00:31:04.170 --> 00:31:11.970 And Abraham Lincoln finally realized that God was dealing with the sin of slavery. 447 00:31:11.009 --> 00:31:15.210 Yeah, and and how did he come to that realization? Well, we 448 00:31:15.369 --> 00:31:18.319 had abolitionists. That's where you first get abolitionists. But some of the abolition 449 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.960 just we're absolutely insane, John Brown being one. Yeah, I want you 450 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.920 to talk about that because you said something. We were talking about this yesterday 451 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.279 and it was like, you know, it was profound to me, or 452 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:30.039 at least I don't know. It was like, man, people need to 453 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.509 hear this when we talked about because we talked about abolitionists, you know, 454 00:31:33.670 --> 00:31:40.869 the modern abortion abolitionist movement and the prolife movement in these different terms that we 455 00:31:40.950 --> 00:31:47.180 use, immediatist, incrementalist, abolitionist and prolife and whatever, which terms should 456 00:31:47.180 --> 00:31:48.259 we had plotter ourself, and you said something. I like, man, 457 00:31:48.339 --> 00:31:52.900 people need to hear this, that we don't come out here and do what 458 00:31:53.019 --> 00:31:56.579 we do is abolitionists. We don't do what we do in speaking up for 459 00:31:56.619 --> 00:32:01.410 these babies as prolifers. We do what we do. Ask Christians we are 460 00:32:01.450 --> 00:32:06.089 here, because not, we're, you know, part of some group or 461 00:32:06.130 --> 00:32:08.289 this or that, and you know God uses groups and all of that, 462 00:32:08.490 --> 00:32:14.210 but I'm saying primarily we come out here because we are Christians, because we 463 00:32:14.289 --> 00:32:20.759 are called to love our neighbor as ourselves. We don't compromise because we're Christians. 464 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.119 We stand on God's truth, because we're Christians. And as to that 465 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:30.309 same point of the gates of hell do not prevail against the Church of Jesus 466 00:32:30.390 --> 00:32:32.470 Christ, Jesus didn't come and say, you know, on this rock I 467 00:32:32.509 --> 00:32:37.869 will build my prolife movement or I'll build my abolitionist, you know movement, 468 00:32:37.910 --> 00:32:43.069 or I'll build my you know, I meti immediateist movement or incrementalist movement. 469 00:32:43.150 --> 00:32:46.140 Note I will build my church. And that that point there. And if 470 00:32:46.180 --> 00:32:49.779 you can just kind of expound on that point a little bit, as far 471 00:32:49.819 --> 00:32:52.299 as the Church of Jesus Christ, you already have being the entity that God 472 00:32:52.420 --> 00:32:58.809 has called in us, operating with that as our modest operendom right our mode 473 00:32:58.849 --> 00:33:01.450 of operation is we are the church. Talk a little bit about that and 474 00:33:01.529 --> 00:33:06.289 kind of share with folks your heart on that. Well, I think you 475 00:33:06.410 --> 00:33:08.250 just said that perfect. Okay, I love to hear you how to write 476 00:33:08.250 --> 00:33:10.609 a book about I should write a book, I know, I mean, 477 00:33:10.730 --> 00:33:16.759 it's an except I am not an abolitionist and it wasn't abolitionism that overcame this 478 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:22.000 whole issue of slavery. See if we could just remember history, which, 479 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:27.789 unfortunately we're in a spiritual Alzheimer's here. and point when you start forgetting your 480 00:33:27.829 --> 00:33:31.230 history? Well, Alzheimer's. Have you ever dealt with people those of him? 481 00:33:31.269 --> 00:33:35.230 I grand maybe's not from Alzheimer's. Yeahka, what? They lose who 482 00:33:35.309 --> 00:33:38.349 they are? Yeah, they lose all point and purpose. That's where America 483 00:33:38.430 --> 00:33:44.099 is where to spiritual Alzheimer's. We've forgotten who we are, why we're here, 484 00:33:44.420 --> 00:33:47.259 where we're going and who we represent. We forgotten all about what made 485 00:33:47.460 --> 00:33:51.539 America great in the first place. Yeah, you know, we want to 486 00:33:51.579 --> 00:33:53.180 make a great again, but how R? Yeah, what you can. 487 00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:58.730 You can't abandon God and leave him back there and expect him to bless America. 488 00:33:59.130 --> 00:34:01.609 You can't be killing over sixty million of his children and say God, 489 00:34:01.690 --> 00:34:07.250 bless America. Yeah, what he's saying. Repent America. If my people, 490 00:34:07.250 --> 00:34:09.840 who were called by my name, shall humble themselves in pray and seek 491 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:15.000 my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven 492 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:21.719 and I will forgive their sin and I will heal their land. I believe 493 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.269 that all the way through the Bible. I see it, Old Testament, 494 00:34:24.429 --> 00:34:30.949 New Testament. When do we win? Everywhere in the Bible at all times. 495 00:34:30.989 --> 00:34:34.269 It's not the beginning of the book and the end of the book. 496 00:34:34.349 --> 00:34:37.550 We win. We went all the way through and you see the victories all 497 00:34:37.590 --> 00:34:40.579 the way through. Their small victories, but their victories nevertheless are small victories 498 00:34:40.619 --> 00:34:45.340 in my life, but their victories, nevertheless, they're small victories out there 499 00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:49.260 in the streets, when people show up in the name of Jesus to bring 500 00:34:49.300 --> 00:34:52.809 that what that does? We have the keys all authority and having another earth 501 00:34:52.929 --> 00:34:57.610 has been given me. Jesus said to his disciples, go there for me, 502 00:34:58.329 --> 00:35:01.849 disciples of all nations, potataw f Nay, all nations. You make 503 00:35:01.929 --> 00:35:06.929 disciples of all nation, teaching them to obey all that I've commanded you, 504 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:09.320 and Lo, I will be with you to the end of the age. 505 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:14.599 That's who we need. This is who's going to win the victory and it's 506 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:17.559 going to happen every single day, in small victories every single day. But 507 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:22.789 when you just look up in the political realm, that's the where the clean 508 00:35:22.349 --> 00:35:28.909 pro lifers are. They're clean. I mean it's a clean business and any 509 00:35:29.030 --> 00:35:30.949 and you do well and you get into green rooms and you get invited to 510 00:35:30.989 --> 00:35:35.190 speak, if you're up in Washington DC. You'll get him invited to speak 511 00:35:35.190 --> 00:35:38.460 to an all those talk shows. But the dirty pro lifers, you see, 512 00:35:38.500 --> 00:35:43.980 we serve a dirty savior. He came down here, he came down 513 00:35:44.019 --> 00:35:46.739 to the Cesspool, the mud, the blood, the beer, the grit, 514 00:35:47.019 --> 00:35:51.690 the filth, the bilge of my life. He did. He had 515 00:35:51.690 --> 00:35:54.489 to get into this cess pool to pull me out because there was no way 516 00:35:54.489 --> 00:35:57.849 out for me. You could to put a ladder down there and said climb 517 00:35:57.849 --> 00:36:00.250 out, but there was no ladder that there was going to get me out 518 00:36:00.250 --> 00:36:06.400 of there. I was I he had to come and he sinks into that 519 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:08.360 to get me up. That's the savior that I serve. If he was 520 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:15.079 wounded for my transgressions, bruise for my iniquities, the chastisement of my pieces 521 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.829 upon him and with his stripes, I am healed. Yeah, that's him. 522 00:36:19.150 --> 00:36:22.269 He's so this savior is that? When we go out to the streets, 523 00:36:22.989 --> 00:36:27.269 do you think? Do you hear people vilifying the people up in Washington 524 00:36:27.309 --> 00:36:32.659 DC coming up with all of these wonderful prolife bills and things like that? 525 00:36:32.820 --> 00:36:37.460 No, it's all clean. Yeah, well, premise, they're not. 526 00:36:37.059 --> 00:36:43.179 They come from along because the devil the same devil that's coming after us right 527 00:36:43.179 --> 00:36:45.059 now, you know, that puts us in jail, to gives us citations 528 00:36:45.099 --> 00:36:49.969 all the time, that files lawsuits against us, that builds walls, as 529 00:36:50.329 --> 00:36:52.849 if they can, to keep us from giving mom's a real choice. That, 530 00:36:53.050 --> 00:36:57.010 see, that's the dirty stuff. And we get pushed into a corner. 531 00:36:57.090 --> 00:36:59.929 We who are living out the gospel of Christ, get pushed into this 532 00:37:00.050 --> 00:37:05.320 corner of wild eyed fanatics when they don't understand that this is what our Lord 533 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.559 did for us, and he was called every name that you could possibly imagine. 534 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.480 As a matter of fact, even the Religious Pharisees, who knew the 535 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:16.110 Bible inside out, they hated him, even the Herodians, and that as 536 00:37:16.110 --> 00:37:21.630 a Sadducees, the Pharisees, they all came together. Yeah, and they 537 00:37:21.750 --> 00:37:24.150 hated each other, but they came together. I know you preach the message 538 00:37:24.150 --> 00:37:28.750 ones. I'm Jesus Unites His enemies and divides his friends. That's right, 539 00:37:28.829 --> 00:37:31.179 he's friends every single time and he will separate his friends. And, by 540 00:37:31.179 --> 00:37:34.260 the way, a lot of the people that were walking with you at one 541 00:37:34.300 --> 00:37:37.139 time saying love, and Daniel said, yeah, I think you. I 542 00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:39.579 think the cheese has done slid off the crack. Yeah, if you bring 543 00:37:39.619 --> 00:37:44.329 it out there screaming at all those people out there, you're not doing any 544 00:37:44.369 --> 00:37:46.170 goodest. Matter of fact, you're harm in the pro life movement. And 545 00:37:46.369 --> 00:37:50.090 and and, let me tell you, you're not harm in the pro life 546 00:37:50.130 --> 00:37:52.769 movement, in the folks that are out here. These are small victories. 547 00:37:52.809 --> 00:37:57.690 It's a thankless job the church. This doesn't benefit the church in any way. 548 00:37:57.730 --> 00:37:59.960 It doesn't get you members. As a matter of fact, they'll get 549 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.000 people to not want to come to your church if that's the way you're going 550 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.599 to act out there in the streets. It's just the way it is. 551 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:13.110 So we have to despise the shame, like our Savior Jesus did, and 552 00:38:13.269 --> 00:38:15.190 endure the cross. Yeah, he did, and our cross today. We 553 00:38:15.269 --> 00:38:20.349 got to deny ourselves. My flesh doesn't want to be out here all the 554 00:38:20.429 --> 00:38:23.829 time listening to this stuff and then getting chastised by the church. Yeah, 555 00:38:23.829 --> 00:38:27.340 and I when I come back, you know, I come back to church 556 00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:30.980 and it's like I got my tail between my legs. You know, the 557 00:38:30.019 --> 00:38:34.139 other day I was right down the road, as actually right into the abortion 558 00:38:34.219 --> 00:38:36.820 mail here on the tribe, and I was at a stopped light and I 559 00:38:36.940 --> 00:38:39.699 was just thinking about, you know, some false accusations the police have brought 560 00:38:39.699 --> 00:38:44.289 against us, a city council. They paint us as these radical, you 561 00:38:44.369 --> 00:38:49.010 know, right wing whatever, and even some well meaning Christians that have some 562 00:38:49.130 --> 00:38:51.889 criticisms what we do, which you I don't. I don't share criticism, 563 00:38:51.969 --> 00:38:52.929 but if it's not found in the word, I don't want to hear it, 564 00:38:53.050 --> 00:38:55.079 you know. And I was like, I was just praying. I 565 00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:58.440 was like, Lord, you know what, I'm tired of getting falsely accused. 566 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:00.960 And this is like almost as clear as I've heard the Lord speak to 567 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.440 my heart. It's like the Holy Spirit spoken. Said, yeah, I 568 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.320 know what you mean. I was like, you know what, Lord, 569 00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.150 you're worse. You're right, you're right. You kind of did get falsely 570 00:39:10.190 --> 00:39:14.349 accused, didn't you? Sound like sorry, Lord, Give Me Grace and 571 00:39:14.429 --> 00:39:15.869 I'll bear under this. But yes, that's the way he did it. 572 00:39:16.030 --> 00:39:20.349 Yeah, and he died and it appeared to the world that he was losing 573 00:39:20.389 --> 00:39:22.230 it. It probably appeared, yeah, devil to the devil, that he 574 00:39:22.269 --> 00:39:24.820 would I finally I've got him, I've shot him up. But what he 575 00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:30.260 didn't understand what the angels and heaven didn't even know how God was going to 576 00:39:30.380 --> 00:39:35.820 operate that now, as soon as he died and he ascended into heaven and 577 00:39:35.940 --> 00:39:39.090 that Holy Spirit came down, now he had Jesus everywhere ever, the fly 578 00:39:39.369 --> 00:39:44.889 right inside of their hearts, just and that's where revival comes from. So 579 00:39:45.329 --> 00:39:47.929 what what do we need to do? Where are we at right now? 580 00:39:49.090 --> 00:39:52.809 And the fact of the matter is we're at at point where we've got to 581 00:39:52.849 --> 00:39:57.639 say, well, let's just remember history and go back. Do you know 582 00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:01.239 when Dread Scott Decision, one thousand eight hundred and fifty seven that we just 583 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:07.150 talked about, that that called our black brothers and sisters property in the slave 584 00:40:07.190 --> 00:40:10.269 owners? Do you know when that was overturned? I do not know. 585 00:40:10.869 --> 00:40:15.150 It never was okay by the Supreme Court. Now we have the thirteen, 586 00:40:15.190 --> 00:40:19.269 four, fourteen to fifteen amendments. Yeah, the took care of that, 587 00:40:19.389 --> 00:40:22.860 but there had to be a bloody civil war that was fought and it was 588 00:40:22.980 --> 00:40:27.780 the church rising up. It was the church that came without almost a hundred 589 00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:36.730 yard long scroll, a pastor saying, Mr President, you must sign this 590 00:40:36.929 --> 00:40:44.250 emancipation proclamation declaring our black brothers and sisters fully human. Yeah, that this 591 00:40:44.449 --> 00:40:49.369 nation has to take that stand as soon as that thing was signed. Now, 592 00:40:49.409 --> 00:40:54.199 it was initially signed but not ratified. It was initially signed in September 593 00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:59.000 of one thousand eighteen and sixty three, one thousand and eighteen and sixty two, 594 00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:05.230 but it was officially signed on January fee one eighteen sixty three. It 595 00:41:05.469 --> 00:41:12.590 was at that point that the whole the whole battle turned and and the Union 596 00:41:12.710 --> 00:41:16.190 forces, because God had given the south all the best generals. Okay, 597 00:41:16.230 --> 00:41:21.500 they could out general any of the generals in the north, but the north 598 00:41:21.699 --> 00:41:25.820 had all of the resources and supplies when that thing was signed. That's a 599 00:41:25.940 --> 00:41:31.059 national repentance of the killer of the bondage, that we were dealing with, 600 00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:36.690 a sin of slavery. Yeah, after that was signed, we began to 601 00:41:36.769 --> 00:41:39.050 win. The North Begin to win the battles and the and the fought the 602 00:41:39.170 --> 00:41:45.809 fight. The battle was one. Yeah, what? But Abraham Lincoln in 603 00:41:45.010 --> 00:41:50.480 his second inaugural address, which is written in the halls of the Lincoln Memorial, 604 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.960 that second he said that it is and Lincoln finally came to this realization 605 00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:01.710 that it was the sin of slavery, that that every drop of blood that 606 00:42:01.909 --> 00:42:07.349 was shed by the Slat, by the whip of the master, would be 607 00:42:07.510 --> 00:42:14.110 required of us on the battle fields because of the sin of slavery. And 608 00:42:14.269 --> 00:42:19.059 now God began to bring healing to this nation. Yeah, he forgave our 609 00:42:19.059 --> 00:42:21.739 sin, but we had to confess that that was a sin. Yeah, 610 00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:24.219 we had a confessor when it and it happened not in the halls of Congress 611 00:42:24.380 --> 00:42:30.369 or in the Senate or in the Supreme Court or in one thousand six hundreds 612 00:42:30.409 --> 00:42:34.369 of Pennsylvania Avenue. It happened in the Church of Jesus Christ. It did. 613 00:42:35.010 --> 00:42:38.170 And is is it like? You know, the Scripture says judgment begins 614 00:42:38.210 --> 00:42:42.530 at the House of the Lord and then you sort of contide it together. 615 00:42:42.610 --> 00:42:46.639 Paul says in the Police Search Scrinthians, chapter ten or eleven, where he 616 00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.840 says unless you judge yourself, you'll be judged of God. So it's like 617 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:57.519 the church judged itself, repented second chronicles fourteen, and then the healing came 618 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.789 and led the nation in repentance. Yeah, the words. It's got to 619 00:43:00.869 --> 00:43:02.949 begin in the House of God. So where's the House of God right now? 620 00:43:02.989 --> 00:43:07.949 Well, we got lights, we got smoke and fall and are that. 621 00:43:08.190 --> 00:43:12.940 We got it all. We got it all and still there are three 622 00:43:14.059 --> 00:43:19.139 freestanding abortion mill in the city killing children. Yeah, we're growing our churches, 623 00:43:19.739 --> 00:43:22.820 but we know that this is happening in God us saying, where are 624 00:43:23.019 --> 00:43:30.570 you? You see, tolerance sits back and does nothing. Love gets involved 625 00:43:30.690 --> 00:43:36.409 and does something. Love can't sing city back. You don't tolerate something that's 626 00:43:36.449 --> 00:43:40.250 wrong, that's going on. So Biblical love maybe looks a lot different than 627 00:43:40.329 --> 00:43:44.760 this world. The stuff that we talked about in this world is to L 628 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:49.960 U V yeah, the real stuff. It's just the sugar where the salt 629 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.119 of the earth and we have been stuck in this salt Shaker and we're enjoying 630 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:57.750 the fellowship in there, the holy hotels that we have, but we're not 631 00:43:58.030 --> 00:44:02.909 out here in the streets. And that's because we're comfortable. Yeah, we 632 00:44:02.989 --> 00:44:07.349 are, and we're comfortable and we're really comfortable with blaming the Republicans for doing 633 00:44:07.429 --> 00:44:12.980 something. We're really comfortable with blaming trump or blaming anybody else in the world. 634 00:44:13.059 --> 00:44:15.659 End Damns, you're good. Yeah, I mean we're doing what we 635 00:44:15.699 --> 00:44:22.179 can't. So what you see is you see the single entity most responsible for 636 00:44:22.219 --> 00:44:28.369 the abortion Holocaust in this land is not planned parenthood or Margaret Singer. It's 637 00:44:28.489 --> 00:44:32.570 not the ACLU, it's not an after National Abortion Federation. It isn't any 638 00:44:32.690 --> 00:44:37.130 of those things. It's not our sorry public education, it isn't any of 639 00:44:37.210 --> 00:44:42.079 those things. The one most responsible for what is happening in America today, 640 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:46.280 in the city of Charlotte today, is is the one who really thinks it's 641 00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:51.039 doing the most to solve the problem. Yeah, which is the Church of 642 00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:55.150 Jesus Christ. Well, we are pathotic in God's side. We aren't out 643 00:44:55.269 --> 00:45:00.710 there. If the church had a call and said, look, if you 644 00:45:00.989 --> 00:45:06.949 don't come out to these abortion mills, I'm going to take every public error, 645 00:45:06.989 --> 00:45:10.420 every private education stuff, I'm going to take all of your goodies away 646 00:45:10.420 --> 00:45:15.699 from you, all your buildings, everything, your smoke machines, your everything 647 00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:20.260 is going. Your your book deals, everything is out. Do you think 648 00:45:20.300 --> 00:45:22.329 the church might show up at these places? I say now, either take 649 00:45:22.409 --> 00:45:25.489 care of this or it's all gone. Yeah, well, let me just 650 00:45:25.650 --> 00:45:29.849 tell you. That's it. We love our stuff and we don't know it. 651 00:45:30.289 --> 00:45:34.250 We can see everybody else that's at fault except ourselves. So we are 652 00:45:34.329 --> 00:45:37.159 not on the verge of repentance. And if there's not going to be repentance, 653 00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:44.119 then there is I don't care what kind of strategy you have. God 654 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.000 has one strategy. It's repentance. Stand on my word. Well, how 655 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:50.309 am I going to do this? Don't worry about your strategy, I'll take 656 00:45:50.309 --> 00:45:52.590 care of that. Don't lean on your own understanding. I'll take care of 657 00:45:52.670 --> 00:45:55.349 everything. You just trust me. you go out and live and you love 658 00:45:55.429 --> 00:46:00.269 your neighbors, yourself, trying to imagine your own son or daughter there and 659 00:46:00.389 --> 00:46:04.500 it was going to be taken away to death. Begin to live like that 660 00:46:05.139 --> 00:46:08.460 and what that will do is it will when repentance begins in the church, 661 00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:14.099 it begins to move all over everything and then ultimately you will see laws change, 662 00:46:14.500 --> 00:46:17.539 but it's from the inside out. It's from the bottom up and not 663 00:46:17.769 --> 00:46:21.010 from the top down. We're up at the top. You know, we 664 00:46:21.130 --> 00:46:23.250 got the president, so I'll fix it. Yeah, it couldn't work. 665 00:46:23.449 --> 00:46:28.489 You can't do it. Yeah, that's a good word. Well, and 666 00:46:28.570 --> 00:46:31.449 just in wrapping this thing up, because we've gone almost forty five minutes, 667 00:46:31.610 --> 00:46:35.159 I think, you know, we've touched on a lot. You know, 668 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.800 I want to encourage folks to you know, you can come, certainly come 669 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:42.440 in volunteer with US cities for life if you're in Charlotte, but if you're 670 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.400 you know around the country and you're stirred to action because, listen, they're 671 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:50.510 like what seven hundred abortion meals across this country. Thankfully the number has as 672 00:46:51.030 --> 00:46:54.670 decline for various reasons, but in the main reason is that people are showing 673 00:46:54.670 --> 00:46:58.550 up to those abortions and seeing baby saved. If your burden to do that. 674 00:46:59.070 --> 00:47:04.179 We have a website, sidewalks for lifecom sidewalks on number four, where 675 00:47:04.179 --> 00:47:07.380 we're focusing on how to bring the Gospel to the abortion clinic, because one 676 00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:09.380 of the traps is is one of the reasons why we started this podcast, 677 00:47:10.099 --> 00:47:14.340 and this is, you know, as Christians, it love Jesus, one 678 00:47:14.380 --> 00:47:16.969 of the chaps will fall into. It's compromising the word of God to be 679 00:47:17.130 --> 00:47:23.050 more effective, letting strategy overtake truth, and and so one of our heart 680 00:47:23.530 --> 00:47:28.289 kind of our focus with this podcast is to infiltrate the pro life movement with 681 00:47:28.530 --> 00:47:31.800 the necessity of the Gospel. And that's what that website, sidewalks for life, 682 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:34.880 talks about, how to bring the Gospel. Yeah, I mean we 683 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.360 we medical facts. Medical facts are on our side, science is on our 684 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.360 side. You know, it resources and stuff. We bring that kind of 685 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:44.309 thing. You know, the ultrasound. The power of ultrasound is is, 686 00:47:44.829 --> 00:47:46.710 is great, but it does not match the power of the Gospel. We 687 00:47:46.869 --> 00:47:51.150 have to bring the Gospel to the abortion clinics, we have to bring the 688 00:47:51.190 --> 00:47:54.110 Gospel to the to the legislators, to and and hold these legislators accountable. 689 00:47:54.110 --> 00:47:58.389 That the reason why we're opposed to abortion. It's not just because it's bad 690 00:47:58.469 --> 00:48:01.579 for women or it's bad for society, it's because God's words says that it's 691 00:48:01.579 --> 00:48:06.579 murder and that we as a people cannot stand by while murder takes place and 692 00:48:06.739 --> 00:48:09.380 do nothing, and it legislators can't stand by and do nothing. So I 693 00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:13.769 want to encourage you guys with that and encourage you guys to share this podcast 694 00:48:14.210 --> 00:48:16.489 and just give us some feedback if you have ideas for future podcast. And 695 00:48:16.650 --> 00:48:20.730 I'd like to have flip back on and talk a little bit about sort of 696 00:48:20.769 --> 00:48:22.409 the history of the pro life moving at some point, because he's been involved 697 00:48:22.449 --> 00:48:27.440 for thirty plus years, longer than some of you been alive. I must 698 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:30.199 learner that, but it's got he's got some wisdom that I think he can 699 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.960 he can really share any has shared today. So I appreciate you coming and 700 00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:38.360 sharing appreciate all those who listen and hope that you're blessed by this podcast. 701 00:48:38.599 --> 00:49:02.699 God bless use, mel use, give me, give me. Will cost 702 00:49:02.860 --> 00:49:10.010 me my life, but not things. TWO PRECIOUS INSIDE