The Bible Doesn't Mention Abortion and 4 other Prochoice Arguments

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:11.109 Lord, I am your welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast and this 3 00:00:11.230 --> 00:00:15.550 episode we're going to talk about five pro choice arguments and how to counter those 4 00:00:15.550 --> 00:00:19.510 arguments. Please stay with us as we talked through these important issues. We 5 00:00:19.629 --> 00:00:29.100 hope you're blessed as you this. I felt show passis touch your heart. 6 00:00:31.460 --> 00:00:39.729 Use Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. I have today, as 7 00:00:39.929 --> 00:00:44.210 often do, Vicki here, Vicky, cause you org, is the volunteer 8 00:00:44.289 --> 00:00:48.369 coordinator with cities for life, and my name is Daniel Parks. If you 9 00:00:48.450 --> 00:00:51.640 don't already know, I'm the executive director of cities for life here in Charlotte, 10 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:56.119 where sidewalk counseling ministry. But we started this podcast to encourage folks with, 11 00:00:56.759 --> 00:01:00.240 you know, a Gospel centered approach to not decide, we all countling, 12 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:04.950 but to prolife ministry, to pro life thought, to understand that are 13 00:01:06.390 --> 00:01:10.670 thinking about abortion needs to really be thought through in the light of the Gospel. 14 00:01:10.709 --> 00:01:15.349 Yes, and in this episode we're going to talk about five pro choice 15 00:01:15.349 --> 00:01:19.060 arguments and how to counter those pro choice arguments. These are arguments that we 16 00:01:19.180 --> 00:01:23.060 hear from pro choice activists, the arguments that you see on social media, 17 00:01:23.379 --> 00:01:26.980 their arguments that we hear sometimes from abortion mounded women at the abortion and center 18 00:01:27.459 --> 00:01:30.579 and and just in interactions. These are some of the arguments of that come 19 00:01:30.620 --> 00:01:34.370 out. This is not an exhaustive list, this is just five of those 20 00:01:34.650 --> 00:01:38.370 pro choice arguments, but these, you know, countering these arguments, I 21 00:01:38.409 --> 00:01:44.010 think, is important and they're not really too deep. They're not very deep 22 00:01:44.129 --> 00:01:48.159 faults typically, but they do sometimes cause us to Paul's and think, Oh 23 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:49.680 yeah, well, what about that? What about this? Especially when we 24 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:55.120 get into some of the the biblical arguments. See what's funny that we hear 25 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.239 from from pro choice people that you need to know the Bible really has no 26 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.549 validity. And in that first point we're going to deal with tough a little 27 00:02:00.549 --> 00:02:04.829 bit about that. But it's funny how the Bible, Bible really has no 28 00:02:04.870 --> 00:02:07.870 validity to life according to some of these folks. But the Bible says this 29 00:02:07.990 --> 00:02:13.270 or the Bible doesn't say that. So jump right into that that first objection 30 00:02:13.509 --> 00:02:15.819 or first argument that share choice. Be Sure. Okay. So so I 31 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:23.699 want to preface all of this with whenever I'm in countering these pro socalled pro 32 00:02:23.740 --> 00:02:30.090 choice objections. Sometimes they have some sort of a faith, but most of 33 00:02:30.129 --> 00:02:32.289 the time they do not. Oftentimes they do not. And and so I 34 00:02:32.449 --> 00:02:36.930 think it's always good to consider all of this in terms of not only biblical, 35 00:02:36.969 --> 00:02:40.210 of course biblical is most important to us, Sus a Gospel centered pro 36 00:02:40.370 --> 00:02:47.439 life ministry, but but also can you are go argue for using science, 37 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:52.520 secular facts, and I think you can. The Bible supports the Bible is 38 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:55.680 the author of science. Yeah, science just reflect except how the world works, 39 00:02:55.719 --> 00:03:00.150 which God created this, this world. Yeah. So, so I 40 00:03:00.550 --> 00:03:04.629 try to do that whenever I address any of these any of these issues. 41 00:03:04.710 --> 00:03:09.229 So our first question. Will hear this all the time. The Bible doesn't 42 00:03:09.229 --> 00:03:15.180 mention abortion even once. Yeah, and this again it's is from people who 43 00:03:15.219 --> 00:03:19.300 don't believe the Bible right and don't think the Bible has any validity. Did 44 00:03:19.340 --> 00:03:23.259 it to human existence, and yet they say the Bible doesn't mention abortion even 45 00:03:23.300 --> 00:03:25.699 once in the of course what they're trying to do is they're trying to take 46 00:03:25.979 --> 00:03:29.409 you know, the book that you believe in, that you try to use 47 00:03:29.569 --> 00:03:35.409 to to fight against abortion, actually doesn't even mention abortion even once. And 48 00:03:35.530 --> 00:03:38.449 you know that's sort of like one of those questions where you're right. The 49 00:03:38.689 --> 00:03:46.879 word abortion is not in the Bible, but the principle and God being against 50 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:51.800 abortion is in the Bible because, you know, from our perspective and from 51 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:55.830 the Biblical perspective, human beings have an intrinsic value. Human beings are made 52 00:03:55.870 --> 00:04:00.669 in the image of God and it's wrong from old to New Testament, it's 53 00:04:00.789 --> 00:04:04.669 wrong to destroy an innocent human life. Right, God is against it's this 54 00:04:04.949 --> 00:04:10.219 the sixth command. So though the Bible doesn't directly say thou shalt not have 55 00:04:10.300 --> 00:04:14.379 an abortion, it does say the Sixth Command and exit this chapter twenty, 56 00:04:14.620 --> 00:04:16.500 thou shalt not kill or thou shalt not murder. Right, right. So 57 00:04:16.660 --> 00:04:20.220 it does mention abortion, right, and there's no exceptions on that. Shown 58 00:04:20.259 --> 00:04:25.769 that murder. It doesn't say Thou shall not murder unless it's unborn human life, 59 00:04:25.810 --> 00:04:29.490 or thou shall not murder unless you're in really dire circumstances, or thou 60 00:04:29.569 --> 00:04:34.170 shall not murder unless you're, you know, wealthy and can drive a Mercedes. 61 00:04:34.649 --> 00:04:39.800 So yeah, the unborn life is still human life. Yeah, and 62 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:43.639 valuable before God. Right, right, solute, right. So how about 63 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:48.800 this one? Because because this one, this this part of abortion being mentioned. 64 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:53.870 Then they turn around, like you said, the the pro choice people, 65 00:04:53.910 --> 00:04:57.029 and say, well, what about this passage? Then that does mention 66 00:04:57.069 --> 00:05:02.149 abortion, and they say and they say it, it paints God as causing 67 00:05:02.189 --> 00:05:08.459 an abortion. So so that's in exodus twenty one. Okay, versus twenty 68 00:05:08.540 --> 00:05:10.699 two, hundred and twenty five. Are you? Are you turned there or 69 00:05:10.779 --> 00:05:13.819 I can read it, but if you wanted, yeah, I'll turn there. 70 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:16.939 And this is actually, actually this passage is not. You're maybe thinking 71 00:05:16.939 --> 00:05:19.899 about the numbers passage. Okay, number, Chapter Five. Will get doing 72 00:05:19.980 --> 00:05:23.649 just a minute. Okay, you're right, but this passage is has to 73 00:05:23.730 --> 00:05:26.730 do with you too. If two men are fighting together, and you know, 74 00:05:26.730 --> 00:05:30.329 there's sort of like we don't really kind of grasp why this is mentioned 75 00:05:31.050 --> 00:05:35.000 just like this. Obviously there was something going on where God, through Moses, 76 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:39.360 mentions this scenario, if two men are striving together, and I think 77 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.160 I know the point here, and some pro abortion people will use it as 78 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.519 a point to say abortions okay with God, because you know, basically it 79 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:48.959 says if two men fight together, and this is in Verse Twenty Two of 80 00:05:49.670 --> 00:05:54.589 Exodus Chapter Twenty one, if men fight together and hurt a woman, with 81 00:05:54.829 --> 00:05:59.589 child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall 82 00:05:59.670 --> 00:06:03.149 surely be punished according to the woman's husband or what the woman's husband imposes on 83 00:06:03.230 --> 00:06:06.899 him, and he shall pay as the judge, as a judge's determined. 84 00:06:06.980 --> 00:06:11.540 So if men fighting together like they're bound, they're fighting each other, they're, 85 00:06:12.259 --> 00:06:14.579 you know, angry with each other for whatever reason, and they hit 86 00:06:14.620 --> 00:06:17.569 a pregnant woman and obviously if they hit a pregnant woman there's harm to her. 87 00:06:17.889 --> 00:06:20.930 So what a pro abortion person will say? Well, it's talking about 88 00:06:20.930 --> 00:06:25.290 if there's any harm to her. Well, it's implied that there's going to 89 00:06:25.370 --> 00:06:28.769 be harm to her. The harm that it's talking about later on, as 90 00:06:28.810 --> 00:06:30.649 it goes on to say. But if harm follows, then you shall give 91 00:06:30.970 --> 00:06:35.279 life for life. The harm that follows is this. If she is if 92 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:42.279 she gives birth prematurely because of this scuffle between these two men and they hit 93 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:46.079 her and the baby's okay, then he's just going to have to pay according 94 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:49.269 to what the husband but if there is harm, which if the baby dies, 95 00:06:50.149 --> 00:06:55.149 then he will give life for life. Right. So, rather than 96 00:06:55.189 --> 00:06:59.870 it being that God's okay with a premature birth here and potentially you know, 97 00:07:00.029 --> 00:07:03.339 and induced abortion from two men fighting together and hitting a pregnant woman. It's 98 00:07:03.339 --> 00:07:08.660 actually establishing the value of that unborn life, that that is a life for 99 00:07:08.779 --> 00:07:13.180 life. That baby dies, then that guy who perpetrated that that crime is 100 00:07:13.259 --> 00:07:15.290 going to lose his life as well. That's right. So that interpretation obviously 101 00:07:15.449 --> 00:07:19.529 counters what the pro choice people are saying, because in that they are saying 102 00:07:19.649 --> 00:07:26.009 that if she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, that it 103 00:07:26.290 --> 00:07:30.600 is talking about the woman, that there's no serious injury to the woman, 104 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:33.519 but that the baby, they're assuming has died. Yeah, doesn't say that. 105 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:38.319 Yeah, there are babies that are born prematurely that live, but the 106 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:41.600 next verse, and so they're saying. And then in the next the next 107 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:45.709 portion of the verse, when it says that if there is serious injury, 108 00:07:46.310 --> 00:07:47.949 you are to take life for life, and they're saying, but that applies 109 00:07:48.029 --> 00:07:53.670 to the woman. Well know, to me that is in direct directly saying 110 00:07:53.750 --> 00:07:57.310 there is serious injury to the baby. Not only is it born prematurely, 111 00:07:57.430 --> 00:08:00.939 but it's they're serious injury. Yeah, and it sounds like death, because 112 00:08:00.980 --> 00:08:05.740 then it says then you are to take life for life. So the the 113 00:08:07.139 --> 00:08:11.220 what I've heard the pro choice people say is in that that that this shows 114 00:08:11.420 --> 00:08:16.810 that that the baby is just property. Yeah, and so there's can be 115 00:08:16.009 --> 00:08:22.009 a fine paid if the baby dies. But I don't think that's what that's 116 00:08:22.050 --> 00:08:24.290 what these verses are saying, and that's what that's what you find. Yeah, 117 00:08:24.290 --> 00:08:28.000 beatrue. Yeah, I think rather than saying that God is okay with 118 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:33.120 an abortion of the situation. Yeah, actually the opposite exactly is being conveyed 119 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.279 here, that if she gives birth prematurely, the baby's okay, then they're 120 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.710 going to pay a fine. Yeah, if she gives birth prematurely in the 121 00:08:41.750 --> 00:08:46.269 baby dies, then it's going to be the death penalty for the person who 122 00:08:46.830 --> 00:08:50.070 effectively caused this. Correct this baby correct. So here is something that that 123 00:08:50.269 --> 00:08:54.029 when I first heard this, it kind of took me aback and I didn't 124 00:08:54.029 --> 00:08:56.419 quite know how to deal with it. And and now I you know, 125 00:08:56.740 --> 00:09:01.059 upon further study, will know of this is actually supports a pro life position. 126 00:09:01.059 --> 00:09:03.940 Yeah, so, and it's not just in you, my opinion, 127 00:09:05.019 --> 00:09:09.059 your opinion, if many commentaries about this passage of scripture, it's but you 128 00:09:09.139 --> 00:09:13.889 know, if their commentaries that are that are seasoned by you left this political 129 00:09:13.929 --> 00:09:16.889 persuasions. They'll try to add anything in there, but the vast majority of 130 00:09:18.730 --> 00:09:24.279 commentaries about this particular passage are going to say just what we're saying. And 131 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:30.399 even those who might have it an agenda to think abortion is okay would have 132 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:35.159 a hard time doing some sort of Hermoneutical backflips in order to make that imply 133 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.549 that God's okay with an abortion. The baby's just property right, exactly okay. 134 00:09:39.590 --> 00:09:41.590 And so that the next one, which is the one I thought I 135 00:09:41.669 --> 00:09:45.669 was giving you the first one. So that that's the the one from from 136 00:09:45.669 --> 00:09:48.429 numbers right. Yep, number ship I five. Ever, this a lot 137 00:09:48.629 --> 00:09:52.220 from from pro choice people again, people who are saying, you know, 138 00:09:52.379 --> 00:09:56.100 the Bible really has no validity to life. Why? You know, one 139 00:09:56.179 --> 00:09:58.820 pro choice lady told me of the day the problem is with that book, 140 00:09:58.100 --> 00:10:01.980 it's points that my Bible, that book. That's your problem because you cling 141 00:10:01.100 --> 00:10:05.059 to that thing. And yet she and some of the other pro abortion people 142 00:10:05.059 --> 00:10:09.129 have brought the passage, this passage from that book, exactly about why. 143 00:10:09.289 --> 00:10:13.009 You know, you shouldn't be incourage, you shouldn't be least against abortion. 144 00:10:13.129 --> 00:10:18.570 Actually, God not only is okay with it, he actually induces an abortion 145 00:10:18.649 --> 00:10:22.759 right and numbers checks. That's what they claim. Right again, when I 146 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:28.360 first read it, I'm going to tell you true confessions. I was I 147 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:35.440 was reading Niv translation and if you read the NIV translation, they they actually 148 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.870 have a point. But I know you have done some further research in that. 149 00:10:37.990 --> 00:10:41.389 So what don't you maybe read us this passage and tell us what? 150 00:10:41.669 --> 00:10:43.190 Yeah, so I'll give you the scenario rather than the reading through the whole 151 00:10:43.269 --> 00:10:46.350 thing. I give you sort of the the scenario. People can read this 152 00:10:46.470 --> 00:10:52.820 themselves. Number, Chapter Five, verses eleven through thirty one, thirty one, 153 00:10:52.019 --> 00:10:56.340 leventy thirty one. The basically the scenario is this. A man suspects 154 00:10:56.379 --> 00:11:01.220 that his wife has committed adultery and so he's to bring his wife before the 155 00:11:01.259 --> 00:11:03.730 priest. Right, all right. So he brings his wife before the priest 156 00:11:05.129 --> 00:11:09.210 and it says the priest actually will take in verse seventeen, the Preestshall Take 157 00:11:09.289 --> 00:11:13.409 Holy Water in an earthen vessel and take some dust from the floor of the 158 00:11:13.490 --> 00:11:16.850 Tabernacle and put it into the water. So the picture here is, you 159 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:20.600 know, the Tabernacle is the holy place. There's the holiest of holies, 160 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.039 which is where the where the Ark of the Covenant Duels and the priest can 161 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.600 only enter in once a year, right, but this place still, the 162 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.840 Tabernacle, is a holy place. So you have this holy water that's there 163 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.669 and you have this holy dust. You know, it's sort of looks back 164 00:11:33.710 --> 00:11:37.830 to the picture of Moses. Take your sandals off, because the ground on 165 00:11:37.870 --> 00:11:39.990 which you stand is holy grounds. It is holy ground that this priest is 166 00:11:41.029 --> 00:11:45.750 putting in this chalice of water and to give this woman. And this from 167 00:11:45.789 --> 00:11:50.100 some pro abortion people, they think this is sort of like the abortion medication, 168 00:11:50.259 --> 00:11:54.100 like the abortion pill of Moses Day, right, that God somehow, 169 00:11:54.500 --> 00:11:58.419 through the dust and the water, induces an abortion. And here's what it 170 00:11:58.500 --> 00:12:03.610 says, just kind of skimming on down he's he says, and May this 171 00:12:03.850 --> 00:12:07.730 water that causes the curse to go in this verse, twenty two, to 172 00:12:07.809 --> 00:12:11.610 go in your stomach, make your belly swell and your thigh rot. Then 173 00:12:11.649 --> 00:12:13.970 the woman shall say Amen, so be it. And and so, basically, 174 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.879 if she drinks this water, this this water with the dust in it, 175 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.240 and she is guilty of adultery, like her husband suspects, then her 176 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.799 belly will swell and her thigh will rot. Now determined by God. Right, 177 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.470 this is how God said that this was to be determined. Yeah, 178 00:12:31.470 --> 00:12:33.990 versus correct? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and this is sort of this 179 00:12:35.110 --> 00:12:39.470 is God's prescription. Right and and this is an issue for the husband thinks 180 00:12:39.509 --> 00:12:43.629 his wife has been in an adulter's fair takes before the priest dust and water, 181 00:12:43.830 --> 00:12:46.820 she drinks it and then if she is guilty, then her her belly 182 00:12:46.860 --> 00:12:52.899 will swell and her thigh will rot. I've read this passage in several different 183 00:12:52.940 --> 00:12:56.500 translations because I never heard this argument before until he will, you know, 184 00:12:56.620 --> 00:13:00.850 probably for or five years ago. Heard this argument and you know, I 185 00:13:00.929 --> 00:13:03.570 looked into it and I'm like, I just don't see what you're talking about, 186 00:13:03.570 --> 00:13:05.169 and then, you know, you read it in the in IV translation. 187 00:13:05.289 --> 00:13:09.889 The INNOVAT IN IV's, I'm aware of, is the only translation that 188 00:13:09.970 --> 00:13:13.440 mentions anything about reproduction, miscarriage or anything like that, and it says that 189 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.159 she will have a miscarriage, rather than her bailly will swear her Thihi Rot, 190 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:20.679 she'll have a miscarriage. Correct. And you know, I talked to, 191 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:26.000 actually sent an email to Dr Michael Brown, who does ask Dr Brown 192 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.870 Dot Org, who's Hebrew scholar, and I sent an email to their team 193 00:13:28.870 --> 00:13:31.309 and just said Hey, listen, I know that this is not talking about 194 00:13:31.309 --> 00:13:35.230 an abortion. I've studied this thing out, but I'm not a Hebrew scholar. 195 00:13:35.750 --> 00:13:39.950 Is there any language in here that says anything, implies anything about a 196 00:13:39.350 --> 00:13:43.419 God induced abortion? And the response was no, this it's not talking about 197 00:13:43.419 --> 00:13:48.379 abortion at all. It's talking about a judgment says her belly will swell and 198 00:13:48.419 --> 00:13:50.860 her thigh. We're right, this is a judgment that's going to come up 199 00:13:50.860 --> 00:13:54.620 on or her right. But what's interested in? Kind of a another perspective 200 00:13:54.889 --> 00:14:00.210 that they brought out from from Dr Michael Brown was, and I think he 201 00:14:00.250 --> 00:14:03.250 has an article on his website even about this, this passage, and there's 202 00:14:03.289 --> 00:14:07.929 a lot of articles out there about this passage from from Hebrew scholars and whatnot. 203 00:14:07.649 --> 00:14:13.360 Is that, even if it is so a quote God induced abortion right, 204 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.320 it's not in the language is not there. You have to make it 205 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.799 say what you want it to say if you're going to inject that into the 206 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.590 passage. And why they NV translators did that? have no idea, but 207 00:14:24.710 --> 00:14:30.070 they did. Yeah, but basically, even if it did speak of abortion, 208 00:14:30.389 --> 00:14:33.350 it's in the context of a curse like this would be a curse to 209 00:14:33.509 --> 00:14:37.149 her right to used her child through an abortion. It wasn't exert it's no, 210 00:14:37.309 --> 00:14:41.220 wasn't then preserve her life the way she might be anything like that. 211 00:14:41.779 --> 00:14:46.740 It's first it's a judgment right, because you know in this day, in 212 00:14:46.940 --> 00:14:50.740 Moses Day, children, unlike today, for a lot of people, were 213 00:14:50.779 --> 00:14:54.730 seen as a blessing. So to lose your child actually it would be a 214 00:14:54.889 --> 00:14:58.889 curse, give Psalm on twenty seven. Children are a blessing from the Lord. 215 00:14:58.970 --> 00:15:01.210 So, you know, I just say that to say in our day 216 00:15:01.210 --> 00:15:03.850 and age it might be seen as a blessing that she had some kind of 217 00:15:03.929 --> 00:15:07.159 God induced abortion, because we have an upside down way of thinking. It 218 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.320 would be one of the worst things. You know, you look at women 219 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.080 in the Old Testament would cry out to God, kill me if I can't 220 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:16.879 have any children. You know, that be so, so heavy on them 221 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.200 to not be able to have children. But any you know, just just 222 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.149 in a brush through sort of reading of this, there's nothing about a god 223 00:15:24.350 --> 00:15:30.990 induced abortion here. I think more than anything, it can be to validate 224 00:15:31.029 --> 00:15:35.860 a woman whose jealous husband thinks that she is commit an adults ee and and 225 00:15:37.220 --> 00:15:41.299 you know, giving her sort of like a covering from the Lord, like 226 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:43.659 she's not guilty of this thing because this is not what happened to her. 227 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.379 She shall be free. She's free from her husband's jealousy in that sense, 228 00:15:48.779 --> 00:15:56.490 right. So you know bottom line. There are also so many verses that 229 00:15:56.649 --> 00:15:58.730 talk about the value like, like you mentioned, Bait, children are a 230 00:15:58.809 --> 00:16:03.639 blessing, and the value of the unborn baby, and and so, while 231 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:08.840 God may not specifically, the Bible doesn't use the word abortion and as we've 232 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:14.360 shown in these two cases where people have said pro choice, people will hear 233 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:18.870 descriptions of abortions when indeed they are not. But you know, but the 234 00:16:18.950 --> 00:16:26.230 Bible is filled with God's love of the unborn. Yeah, and and the 235 00:16:26.389 --> 00:16:30.389 tender language he uses in like Psalm one hundred and thirty nine nine, verse 236 00:16:30.669 --> 00:16:34.419 thirteen to sixteen. For you created my inmost being. You Knit me together 237 00:16:34.500 --> 00:16:38.899 in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made. 238 00:16:40.220 --> 00:16:42.899 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in that secret 239 00:16:42.940 --> 00:16:47.059 place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your 240 00:16:47.169 --> 00:16:49.730 eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in 241 00:16:49.809 --> 00:16:52.690 your book before one of them came to be. It's like poetry to the 242 00:16:52.730 --> 00:16:56.370 unborn. Yeah, God has said so, you know, gently and lovingly 243 00:16:56.529 --> 00:17:03.159 knit it together, that that child so and certainly calls it a baby. 244 00:17:03.839 --> 00:17:11.039 So so bottom line number one. The Bible doesn't mention abortion even once. 245 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.029 Yeah, it tells us the concept. We have the Prince Sara, we 246 00:17:15.190 --> 00:17:19.230 have the principle. So you know just the you before we move on to 247 00:17:19.309 --> 00:17:23.710 that. Next the pro choice argument, you know that there's a lot of 248 00:17:23.829 --> 00:17:27.910 things the Bible doesn't directly mention. Good Point. I mean the Bible doesn't 249 00:17:27.990 --> 00:17:33.740 directly mention pit PHELIA. Correct. Yeah, would anybody argue that God's okay 250 00:17:33.779 --> 00:17:37.900 with pedophilia because God never mentions it? I mean certainly the principles are there 251 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:42.059 that this is wrong and sinful in the sight of God? Yes, the 252 00:17:42.299 --> 00:17:47.250 the Bible doesn't mention smoke and crack. Right. I don't know. Think 253 00:17:47.289 --> 00:17:52.450 anyone would argue, biblical or otherwise, that God's okay with people smoking crack. 254 00:17:52.529 --> 00:17:55.089 Right, there's certain principles there in your body is a temple of the 255 00:17:55.210 --> 00:17:59.119 Lord, those sort of things. So there's a lot of stuff that the 256 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:03.680 Bible doesn't directly mention. That doesn't therefore give God's okay, and thumbs up 257 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:07.599 to your behavior just because you know the Bible doesn't mention it. And again 258 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.720 it. You know, it's just a it's a it's a tactic. It's 259 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.950 a maneuver for pro abortion people to say, well, you're a book doesn't 260 00:18:14.950 --> 00:18:18.150 mention the thing that you're so strongly against and it you know, if you 261 00:18:18.230 --> 00:18:23.069 read Church history, although church history is not our standard. Our Standard is 262 00:18:23.150 --> 00:18:26.500 the Bible, right, but you see men and women throughout church history and 263 00:18:26.619 --> 00:18:32.660 their riotings, certainly very early in church history. The dedcay is a writing 264 00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:37.019 that's a compilation of some of the apostles teaching and it directly mentions abortion as 265 00:18:37.059 --> 00:18:41.609 abhorrent to God. It's something that should be involved. If you reach your 266 00:18:41.609 --> 00:18:45.410 early church history, you see abortion and infanticide, or two things that they 267 00:18:45.450 --> 00:18:48.609 are tied together. Ye, that are abhorn to the church. The church 268 00:18:48.769 --> 00:18:55.690 has always opposed and those who belong to God should always oppose these things because 269 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:03.319 they're the devaluing of human life right there, the devaluing of this this creature 270 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.640 that God has made in his own image. Human beings are the only creature 271 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:11.230 that God made it his own image. So right, yeah, okay. 272 00:19:11.630 --> 00:19:17.430 So number two. Here this again all the time. The baby is not 273 00:19:17.589 --> 00:19:23.069 a baby till it takes its first breath. Yes, so, so, 274 00:19:23.150 --> 00:19:26.460 okay, I'm going to I'm going to let you talk from the Biblical perspective. 275 00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:30.579 I'm going to give a secular perspective that I just read and I and 276 00:19:30.660 --> 00:19:34.700 I found it just I had known this about the American College pediatrics, not 277 00:19:34.819 --> 00:19:41.009 a religious group, their secular group doctors who who work with babies and children 278 00:19:41.690 --> 00:19:47.170 and the the name of this article is statement life issues. When human life 279 00:19:47.170 --> 00:19:51.410 begins? Yeah, and it's published by the American College Pediatrics. And so 280 00:19:51.529 --> 00:19:52.799 the abstract says, I'm going to read it to you because I think it 281 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:57.119 is really important. Okay, it said the abstract of this of this article. 282 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:04.799 The predominance of Human Biological Research Confirms that human life begins at conception fertilization. 283 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:10.710 At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, 284 00:20:10.910 --> 00:20:17.990 individuated, psygotic, living human organism, a member of the species homo sapiens, 285 00:20:18.549 --> 00:20:22.700 needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference 286 00:20:22.779 --> 00:20:27.900 between the Individual in it's a adult stage and in its psychotic stage is one 287 00:20:27.980 --> 00:20:34.339 of form not. Nature never changes, never changes from nonhuman to human, 288 00:20:34.809 --> 00:20:41.009 always human. This statement focus is on the scientific evidence of when an individual 289 00:20:41.170 --> 00:20:49.079 life, human life, excuse me, begins, and then later on the 290 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:57.200 there their conclusion at the end of the abstract is that the college, the 291 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:04.549 American College of Pediatrics, therefore opposes active measures that would prematurely end the life 292 00:21:04.589 --> 00:21:11.029 of any child at any stage of development, from conception to natural death. 293 00:21:11.349 --> 00:21:15.309 And there was one other statement that I thought was really another, really important 294 00:21:15.309 --> 00:21:22.019 one. Nonetheless, one could sensibly make the case that personhood can only exist 295 00:21:22.180 --> 00:21:27.259 in a living human being and that the division of these two entities is arbitrary 296 00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:30.220 at best, because we hear this all the time. We can we can 297 00:21:30.460 --> 00:21:36.210 bring logically, as American College of Pediatrics did. We can bring people logically 298 00:21:36.609 --> 00:21:41.410 from the idea that, okay, even from the moment of conception, what 299 00:21:41.650 --> 00:21:45.930 is growing in the womb? I'll give you it's a human being, but 300 00:21:45.049 --> 00:21:48.599 it's not a person. You've heard that right, I've heard it all the 301 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.960 time. It's personhood, is the big deal. But the American loge pediatrics 302 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:57.640 scientist, who are not religious, so I mean they maybe, but they 303 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:04.269 are not a religious organization, and they say that that distinction between admitting it's 304 00:22:04.269 --> 00:22:11.750 a living human being and that it's a person is an arbitrary distinction, yes, 305 00:22:11.910 --> 00:22:14.990 not one drawn in fact or science. Yeah, so, yeah, 306 00:22:15.109 --> 00:22:18.220 you know this, this person whood itself, is not a scientific statement. 307 00:22:18.259 --> 00:22:22.380 It's a philosophical state. So too to argue that, you know, personhood 308 00:22:22.460 --> 00:22:27.819 happens at some point because science is so it is an absurdity. Like science 309 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:33.130 can't do certain things. It can't tell us when a when a, when 310 00:22:33.170 --> 00:22:36.410 a human being becomes a person, right, and if it tries to, 311 00:22:36.529 --> 00:22:38.490 it steps outside of its boundary. Yeah, you know, in this this 312 00:22:38.809 --> 00:22:42.009 sort of question, which I've heard, and it sort of takes different forms, 313 00:22:42.049 --> 00:22:45.480 right, maybe it takes a form of, you know, it's not 314 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.839 a baby or it's not a human being, it's not a life valuable enough 315 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.720 to protect until it takes its first breath. Or you know, there was 316 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:56.440 a video by a prolife lady in Canada, who forget her names, on 317 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:00.430 facebook who had this video of the magic birth canal. Oh, yeah, 318 00:23:00.430 --> 00:23:03.390 that was funny. Yeah, it's like the birth canalk somehow has this magic 319 00:23:03.829 --> 00:23:10.309 power to undue personhood to an individual, and it's some an absurdity, right. 320 00:23:10.509 --> 00:23:12.420 It is because at what point, I mean you just logically say, 321 00:23:12.460 --> 00:23:18.220 okay, at which point in that progression did it suddenly more from human to 322 00:23:18.339 --> 00:23:22.019 non human person and nonperson? Yeah, or nine person to person? Yeah. 323 00:23:22.299 --> 00:23:25.220 It's sort of ridiculous in this whole notion that you when it takes its 324 00:23:25.259 --> 00:23:27.529 first of breath, and when people use that argument, especially, you know, 325 00:23:27.890 --> 00:23:33.450 pro pro choice, people who have really no faith in God use that, 326 00:23:33.609 --> 00:23:38.009 it's sort of a mechanism to use your book against you, to say 327 00:23:38.089 --> 00:23:41.960 you're the Bible actually teaches that it's not a person until it takes its first 328 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:44.519 breath. And sort of where they get that, prince, when I actually 329 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:48.720 heard Christians, at least people who claim to be Christians, use that as 330 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:56.630 almost a way to get out of addressing this issue, which is the moral 331 00:23:56.670 --> 00:23:59.230 issue of our day, abortion. But they'll say, well, you know, 332 00:23:59.390 --> 00:24:03.470 the Bible tells us that it actually doesn't become a person or a valuable 333 00:24:03.630 --> 00:24:07.150 individual until it takes a first breath. And they get that maybe from some 334 00:24:07.309 --> 00:24:12.339 other passages, but probably more than anything from this passage in genesis chapter two, 335 00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:15.099 very early along in the Bible, okay, where it says in verse 336 00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:19.779 seven of Genesis Chapter Two and the Lord formed man of the dust of the 337 00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:25.450 ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living 338 00:24:25.529 --> 00:24:29.410 being. So the implication is he breathed into his nostrils a breath of life. 339 00:24:29.690 --> 00:24:33.609 Therefore the man became a living being. Right, and that's that's sort 340 00:24:33.609 --> 00:24:37.289 of with it. So until it gets a breath of life, it's not 341 00:24:37.369 --> 00:24:41.680 a living being, which is not what this passage just talking about. It's 342 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.359 an absurdity to imagine that a baby in the womb is not a living being. 343 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.960 It is a living me. Of course it is right. Even again, 344 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:52.789 pro choice people in this day and age would not argue. Is it 345 00:24:52.910 --> 00:24:56.789 Alife? Yes, it's a life, it's just not a life that's valuable 346 00:24:56.829 --> 00:25:00.269 enough to protect. Right have heard is this argument of insolment. It's not 347 00:25:00.309 --> 00:25:03.509 a life until it gets a soul. When does it get a soul? 348 00:25:03.950 --> 00:25:07.539 It gets a soul, some people say, when it gets its first breath 349 00:25:07.579 --> 00:25:10.579 of air. The Bible doesn't teach that. The Bible doesn't say that. 350 00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:14.980 What we see is this sort of overarching principle in the scripture that God loves 351 00:25:15.140 --> 00:25:18.140 and knows us. Why we're still in our mother's way. That's correct. 352 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:22.170 Yeah, so that's that's sort of the overarching principle. We see through the 353 00:25:22.250 --> 00:25:26.849 whole Old Testament in the New Testament, that God knows us and loves us 354 00:25:26.049 --> 00:25:30.809 even while we're in the womb and that there's not some magical thing that takes 355 00:25:30.809 --> 00:25:33.130 place when we enter out of the womb, we breathe in some air that 356 00:25:33.250 --> 00:25:37.279 gives us personhood. Right, right, so that you know that that argument 357 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:41.920 again, is is sort of bunking it. But it does take different forms. 358 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:47.440 It does the breath thing, the birth canal thing, the disconnection between 359 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:48.720 the mother and the child, you know. So it's like, okay, 360 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:53.589 because that baby is attached to the mother through you, through her uterine wall, 361 00:25:53.670 --> 00:25:57.869 the Placenta is attached there and then through the umbilical cord. That therefore 362 00:25:59.190 --> 00:26:02.390 she can do what she wants to. So then a baby can be born. 363 00:26:02.430 --> 00:26:03.299 I mean, is that what you're saying? A baby can be born 364 00:26:03.460 --> 00:26:07.819 still attached to the umbilical cord and then we can kill it. Long as 365 00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:08.779 we don't cut that cord, we're good to go. And there are some 366 00:26:08.900 --> 00:26:12.460 people that say yeah, that, which is another certain it's the slippery slope 367 00:26:12.539 --> 00:26:15.900 that is that it goes down. Let's free slopes. No, they don't 368 00:26:15.940 --> 00:26:19.450 exist. That's the mentality, right you. You always talk about these slippery 369 00:26:19.490 --> 00:26:22.250 slopes and this could happen and that could happen. It's like, well, 370 00:26:22.529 --> 00:26:27.009 we talked about that, because it actually does happen. Like the whole slippery 371 00:26:27.049 --> 00:26:33.480 slope of you know, when we talk about euthanasia and assisted suicide and people 372 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.759 say, yeah, people should be willing or people should be able to choose 373 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.119 to have a doctor put them to death, to have them youth and eyes 374 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.440 if they have, you know, issues with dementia or if they have issues 375 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.589 with whatever. And then this story that I had shared with you a couple 376 00:26:48.630 --> 00:26:52.150 days ago, yesterday I believe, was about a young lady, I think 377 00:26:52.190 --> 00:26:56.990 she's twenty one, twenty two years old, who had some trauma and something 378 00:26:56.109 --> 00:27:00.430 was done to her in the past and she carried that trauma with her and 379 00:27:00.549 --> 00:27:03.980 she went to her psychiatrist and psychiatrist have tried to help or try to help 380 00:27:03.019 --> 00:27:06.259 her, could not help her basically told her hate. Listen, there's no 381 00:27:06.339 --> 00:27:08.259 hope for you. I think the story played out in the Netherlands, which 382 00:27:08.299 --> 00:27:11.980 is no surprise right. Right, there's really no hope for you, the 383 00:27:11.019 --> 00:27:15.970 best thing you can do is just let us euthanize you, and they did. 384 00:27:15.769 --> 00:27:18.650 For you know this, this young lady who had, you know, 385 00:27:18.730 --> 00:27:22.329 her whole life ahead of her. Yes, she had some issues going on, 386 00:27:22.609 --> 00:27:26.890 she had some depression and all that stuff, but the people who are 387 00:27:26.930 --> 00:27:30.480 supposed to help her out of that depression basically tell her you're better off dead. 388 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:36.200 Right man, that's a slippery slipping slide right west, slide so far 389 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:40.200 down that human life doesn't have value. Exactly, exactly, in so many 390 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.640 of the ills that we face now today, it's a society or because of 391 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:48.349 that devaluation of human life that is so shootings, I think, are an 392 00:27:48.390 --> 00:27:51.150 example. Yeah, absolutely. How can you two? How can we raise 393 00:27:51.190 --> 00:27:55.509 our children to believe it's not okay to go off all of your classmates when 394 00:27:55.829 --> 00:27:59.380 it's the law of the land that we can kill your siblings as long as 395 00:27:59.380 --> 00:28:03.099 they're in the womb? Yeah, so, the the Bible does use the 396 00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:06.819 same word for baby, whether in the womb or outside of the woman. 397 00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:11.539 I think that's another very compelling evidence that chapter two, when it talks about 398 00:28:11.539 --> 00:28:15.329 right John the Baptist in the womb. He lipt in his mother's womb when 399 00:28:15.369 --> 00:28:18.210 Mary came in with Jesus in her womb. Right, the word child, 400 00:28:18.369 --> 00:28:23.009 the child left in the womb. Right, breathos, Brefoos is the same 401 00:28:23.089 --> 00:28:27.240 word. Later on in Luke. Yeah, we're Jesus. The born Jesus 402 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:33.359 outside of the womb is called breathos, which is bababy. It means baby. 403 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:34.960 So baby in the womb is the same to God as the baby. 404 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.640 So in the New Testament, God is equating an unborn child with a born 405 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.190 child. Yes, wow, that's not a surprise now, you know, 406 00:28:41.589 --> 00:28:47.230 because we see through again that pattern in the scripture absolutely values this in the 407 00:28:47.269 --> 00:28:49.750 women outside the way. Yeah, yeah, I mean Jeremiah was supposed appointed 408 00:28:49.789 --> 00:28:53.390 as a prophet while yet in the womb. Yeah, appointed a prophet. 409 00:28:53.509 --> 00:28:57.779 Well, is God appointing a nonhuman and not baby Blab of kiss you as 410 00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:02.619 a prophet? Yeah, okay. So onto number three, and they all 411 00:29:02.740 --> 00:29:07.579 kind of connect there. there. There's very similar arguments behind all these issues. 412 00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:11.970 But this one, of course, is the rattling and cry here for 413 00:29:11.089 --> 00:29:15.970 the Pro Choice Smith ment or my body, body choice, my body, 414 00:29:17.089 --> 00:29:21.730 my choice. Yeah, I mean that one sort of you know it again 415 00:29:21.849 --> 00:29:26.480 in the same line of this this sovereignty over your own body and which we 416 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.279 agree with that right. I mean, if someone goes and has their appendix 417 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.000 removed, I'm not going to be standing there telling them don't have your beach. 418 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:37.160 Right, I don't want to have control over their bodies. Right. 419 00:29:37.750 --> 00:29:42.829 But where your bodily autonomy ends is where your bodily autonomy and decisions you make 420 00:29:42.910 --> 00:29:45.549 with your body affect other people. Correct. You know the example. Of 421 00:29:45.630 --> 00:29:51.029 course you have bodily autonomy over your hand. Yes, you do. You 422 00:29:51.150 --> 00:29:52.779 can, you know, do some of the things you want to with your 423 00:29:52.819 --> 00:29:56.500 hand, but there are things you cannot do with your hand. It's because 424 00:29:56.500 --> 00:30:00.220 they violate another person's right, which is you can't ball your hand in a 425 00:30:00.380 --> 00:30:04.779 fifth connect with somebody's face. Right, because your action and your bodily autonomy 426 00:30:04.819 --> 00:30:08.369 has now affected another person. Right. In the same way, with abortion, 427 00:30:08.849 --> 00:30:12.490 your bodily autonomy, when you go into an abortion clinic and you decide 428 00:30:12.730 --> 00:30:17.049 you're going to pay someone money to kill it, the child that's inside of 429 00:30:17.089 --> 00:30:22.039 you, that sort of is the threshold. Right, you've already went outside 430 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.160 of bodily autonomy to violate the bodily autonomy of another person, that baby inside 431 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.920 the womb. Right, and of course, this is built on the premise 432 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.880 that the baby inside the womb is just an ananimate object. So you see 433 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.470 how it aboulates. All of these arguments relate exactly because they would say, 434 00:30:37.509 --> 00:30:41.630 well, this is not another body, right. But but then of course, 435 00:30:41.789 --> 00:30:45.710 the logically. You know, well, if it's not another body, 436 00:30:45.869 --> 00:30:52.059 than the mother has two heads and forearms and four legs. Know it is 437 00:30:52.099 --> 00:30:56.059 another body. It is not your body. That child is a whole separate 438 00:30:56.180 --> 00:31:00.980 body with distinct and separate human DNA, distinct and separate blood, distinct and 439 00:31:02.059 --> 00:31:04.730 separate heartbeat and it at a different rate. The heart is beating about three 440 00:31:04.730 --> 00:31:07.730 times, two to three times faster than the MOM's heart. So so, 441 00:31:10.089 --> 00:31:12.009 yeah, and and you know, Biblically, I love this, this verse 442 00:31:12.130 --> 00:31:15.170 from First Corinthian six one thousand nine, Hun to and twenty. Do you 443 00:31:15.289 --> 00:31:18.440 not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit who is in you, 444 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.960 whom you have received from God? You are not your own, you 445 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.680 were brought bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your body. 446 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:33.470 So we in a sense we even bodily autonomy. Well, honestly, biblically, 447 00:31:33.509 --> 00:31:37.390 we are not our own. If you're in Christ he bought us. 448 00:31:37.430 --> 00:31:41.109 Yeah, hate the penalty that we owed for our sin, and our bodies 449 00:31:41.190 --> 00:31:45.750 are now a temple of the Lord, to be used by God for a 450 00:31:45.910 --> 00:31:52.900 glorious purpose. Yeah, for his glory. So okay, so, so, 451 00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:59.019 and and one last point on on my body, my choice. You 452 00:31:59.099 --> 00:32:04.210 know it it in your example of, you know, bodily autonomy. In 453 00:32:04.250 --> 00:32:07.930 there, in there, in the portion center in this this baby is is 454 00:32:08.490 --> 00:32:13.890 being killed. Well, it's legal, and that's the other argument that I've 455 00:32:13.930 --> 00:32:17.880 heard. Well, it's my body, this baby is in my body and 456 00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:25.200 I'm being given legal rights by our country to remove this portion of my body 457 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.240 that I don't want and I want to be an incubator, I've heard. 458 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:36.309 Yeah, this baby. So is it because it's legal? Is Is that 459 00:32:36.630 --> 00:32:42.430 then? Would God have us find that to be morally fine, right, 460 00:32:42.670 --> 00:32:45.220 which is, you know, kind of an absurdity, right. I mean, 461 00:32:45.619 --> 00:32:49.539 just because stuff is legal doesn't mean God is okay with it. Exactly. 462 00:32:49.700 --> 00:32:52.019 Doesn't mean that. You know, even if we're thinking it from a 463 00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:54.859 secular perspective, there's a bunch of stuff that in our history. You know, 464 00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:59.569 slavery is one of those things with legal but I don't think we look 465 00:32:59.609 --> 00:33:00.769 back that and say, you know, people should have had a right to 466 00:33:00.890 --> 00:33:05.930 do that. Why? Why would we say that? That's wrong? Because 467 00:33:05.930 --> 00:33:07.650 it's sort of that bodily atommy thing, right, yeah, you're right to 468 00:33:07.809 --> 00:33:13.599 own another person's property. Is Not actually a right that God gives or that 469 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:19.160 government's should give, because you're then affecting the bodily autonomy of another person, 470 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.839 you know. Yeah, and you know the really that the the issue lies 471 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:28.950 in with pro choice people, their unwillingness to view the baby in the womb 472 00:33:29.029 --> 00:33:35.549 as a human being, as a life that's valuable enough to protect. They 473 00:33:35.750 --> 00:33:40.109 can't, they can't and allow what they call the woman's right to choose, 474 00:33:40.150 --> 00:33:44.019 because the women's right to choose, they're saying, is to choose abortion. 475 00:33:44.420 --> 00:33:47.099 And the only way they can support that really, I think, for them 476 00:33:47.180 --> 00:33:51.420 to feel like they are decent human beings, is to say it's not. 477 00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:55.250 Yeah, it's not a person. Yeah. So, okay, anything else 478 00:33:55.369 --> 00:34:00.809 on on that one? All right, let's go into number four. Abortion 479 00:34:00.130 --> 00:34:05.369 is between a woman and her doctor. It is none of your business. 480 00:34:05.890 --> 00:34:07.650 You ever hear that one before? I have heard that one. Yeah, 481 00:34:07.650 --> 00:34:12.280 and you know that's not something that we hear commonly inside. While counseling. 482 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.920 Really it's not one of the objections that we hear, even from pro choice 483 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.800 people. But as you're talking about the issue of abortion on a national level 484 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.320 and a sort of a political level, yeah, that's what you hear a 485 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.510 lot. That's right. Politicians are terrible doctors, some of the signage that 486 00:34:25.590 --> 00:34:29.750 you see, right, and and that sort of thing. And and so 487 00:34:29.869 --> 00:34:32.949 it's between a woman and her doctor. And now what's implied with that? 488 00:34:34.190 --> 00:34:37.989 I mean, are we talking about between a woman and the OB doctor that 489 00:34:37.110 --> 00:34:39.780 she sees on a regular basis? I mean even that, of course, 490 00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:44.059 of be we're talking about another person that will die if she has an abortion. 491 00:34:44.380 --> 00:34:45.500 But really, when they say it's between a woman and her doctor, 492 00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:50.219 what they mean it's between the woman who's paying for an abortion and the abortionist, 493 00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:52.449 right, who she sees for like five minutes, right, who she's 494 00:34:52.489 --> 00:34:55.650 never met. Most of these women going into an abortion clinic, I mean 495 00:34:55.690 --> 00:35:00.650 we I've had conversations with probably thousands, and I'm sure you've had conversations with 496 00:35:00.929 --> 00:35:02.849 of thousands, or at least hundreds, of women going in. If you 497 00:35:02.889 --> 00:35:06.809 ask him so, who is your doctor today? Who's going to be your 498 00:35:06.849 --> 00:35:08.760 abortionist? They have no clue. That's right. So how can it be 499 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:14.000 between her and her doctor making this decision whenever? She's not even going to 500 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.360 even talk to the doctor, until she goes, until he walks in the 501 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:21.000 room, that do the five minute abortion procedure or give her the Little Cup 502 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.909 with the pills in it? It's not between her and her doctors. And 503 00:35:22.989 --> 00:35:27.869 I've been told by many people leaving that that have come and talk to us, 504 00:35:27.949 --> 00:35:30.070 that that doctor, the abortionist, never said it word. Yeah, 505 00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:35.780 that there was never any discussion. So this decision between the woman and her 506 00:35:35.980 --> 00:35:40.059 doctor is non existence. Yeah, they're in there is a relationship. Oh 507 00:35:40.179 --> 00:35:45.780 yeah, no, exactly. How about that? It's none of your business 508 00:35:45.219 --> 00:35:47.900 that half of it. Is it a business to so it's none of your 509 00:35:49.059 --> 00:35:52.929 business, which it's like, okay, it's none of my business, even 510 00:35:52.929 --> 00:35:55.809 though innocent people are being killed, it's none of my business to intervene. 511 00:35:55.809 --> 00:36:00.449 You know, somebody commented a couple days ago on our social media page. 512 00:36:00.489 --> 00:36:04.090 We shared a testimony of a mom that chose life, saw her baby on 513 00:36:04.130 --> 00:36:07.320 the ultrasound, whose life for her baby in this person, this pro abortion 514 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:08.960 person, commented and said, you know, you should leave women alone. 515 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:14.000 It's none of your business what they do with their bodies. And my response 516 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.239 wasn't a sort of snarky but it made a point like, okay, if 517 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:21.309 Christians, if we see innocent people being killed, if we're going to be 518 00:36:21.429 --> 00:36:24.829 good followers of Jesus, then we're going to actually go and do something about 519 00:36:24.989 --> 00:36:29.789 that. If Christians in human history were just to mind our own business, 520 00:36:30.110 --> 00:36:32.699 then we wouldn't have the majority of the hospitals that exist, the majority of 521 00:36:32.739 --> 00:36:36.619 the relief organizations that exist. I mean, you think about you know, 522 00:36:36.659 --> 00:36:38.820 I asked pro abortion people when they when they bring that up. You guys 523 00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:43.980 should mind your own business. You Christians are Christianity has has done so much 524 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:47.050 damage in history. I'm like, well, named for me five hospitals in 525 00:36:47.130 --> 00:36:51.289 the United States are in the immediate area and if they were in the name 526 00:36:51.329 --> 00:36:55.010 five hospitals, at least three, probably all five, but at least three 527 00:36:55.050 --> 00:36:59.610 of those hospitals are going to be Christian hospitals, presenting hospital, Methodist Hospital, 528 00:36:59.650 --> 00:37:02.480 Baptist Hospital, right, yeah, it's like Christians are not mining their 529 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.239 own business, they're actually building hospital or they're actually you know, I'll ask 530 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.840 him. I said named for me five relief organizations. You know ministries or 531 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.760 organizations that do things to help other people. You know, Red Cross is 532 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.789 one that comes to mind right Samaritan's purse or me comes to mind. SALVATION 533 00:37:17.829 --> 00:37:22.630 ARMY COMES TO MIND, World Vision, World Vision comes to mind, compassion 534 00:37:22.710 --> 00:37:27.510 international, all these these groups across the the the world. Even if you're 535 00:37:27.590 --> 00:37:31.940 the name five relief organizations, I bet you the majority of those organizations were 536 00:37:31.980 --> 00:37:37.179 started by Christians who didn't mind their own business. Exactly right. And I 537 00:37:37.460 --> 00:37:39.780 think it was hurricane katrine. It was one of the big hurricanes where the 538 00:37:39.820 --> 00:37:43.739 government really blew it. They and I maybe it was Katrine night. Every 539 00:37:43.780 --> 00:37:46.289 real it was. Which one? But but the the GOL blows it a 540 00:37:46.369 --> 00:37:49.849 lot. Well, they did, but but in this one they really blew 541 00:37:49.889 --> 00:37:52.409 it and they were just what's not help? MM? Except from the Christian 542 00:37:52.449 --> 00:37:58.130 it was the Christian organizations that rushed in to help those victims from that hurricane 543 00:37:58.449 --> 00:38:01.800 that saved the day. Yeah, minding, not minding, they're I mean, 544 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:06.760 basically, so when someone tells me, consider you talking about abortion and 545 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.440 thinking about abortion and they see, mind your own business, what they're really 546 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.829 saying to me is turn a blind eye. You know, here's here's a 547 00:38:14.269 --> 00:38:19.150 group of people whose lives are being destroyed by this thing called abortion. And 548 00:38:19.230 --> 00:38:22.030 you don't mean just the babies, right, yeah, the women, women, 549 00:38:22.110 --> 00:38:24.070 the woman parents, so the man whose lives are affected by it. 550 00:38:24.150 --> 00:38:29.900 I mean this thing is like a like a cancer in society. Destroys families, 551 00:38:29.900 --> 00:38:35.500 that destroys marriages, it destroys relationships, it destroys young men and young 552 00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:38.260 women, of course, and it destroys the lives of babies. And it's 553 00:38:38.300 --> 00:38:40.449 like, I can't turn a blind eye to that. Like, if I 554 00:38:40.570 --> 00:38:45.329 truly believe that abortion is murder that destroys in innocent life, you're asking me, 555 00:38:46.170 --> 00:38:51.570 pro abortion person, to deny my faith, to deny what my Lord 556 00:38:51.650 --> 00:38:53.130 said to do, which is to love my neighbor as myself. Yeah, 557 00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:57.199 and rescue those being out of way. Really, you know, people are 558 00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.079 saying a lot of times, and I sort of rephrase this to pro abortion 559 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.719 people, sometimes I'd be like, so what you're saying is, rather than 560 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:08.360 carrying through the the convictions that I have myself, I should embrace your convictions. 561 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:13.829 My conviction is that the unborn child is out a life that deserves to 562 00:39:13.869 --> 00:39:16.429 be protected. Your conviction is that it's not. So what you're saying is 563 00:39:16.710 --> 00:39:21.630 I should abandon my convictions and I should embrace yours. Are you trying to 564 00:39:21.670 --> 00:39:23.699 force your morality on me? You know, you take away my choice. 565 00:39:23.739 --> 00:39:28.460 Are just taking away my choice to believe how I see fit from this, 566 00:39:28.539 --> 00:39:31.820 this book that you so vehemently opposed. Right, I I think it's God's 567 00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:35.699 word. Am I okay to think that? I'm okay to believe that that's 568 00:39:35.739 --> 00:39:38.849 in less? So, yeah. Well, lastly, honestly, yes, 569 00:39:39.050 --> 00:39:43.690 I mean that's the attack. The attack is on the book, on the 570 00:39:43.769 --> 00:39:46.969 Bible, right, on what God's word says, and this unchangeable truth, 571 00:39:47.409 --> 00:39:52.730 the foundation of everything that we are and believe, is, is is being 572 00:39:52.730 --> 00:39:55.840 attacked in our society. Yeah, absolutely, and of course, along with 573 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.800 that comes this value of human life, this intrinsic value that human beings have 574 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:06.400 above and beyond other creatures. Yeah, it doesn't mean in the sense that, 575 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:08.110 you know, in our all, because we're so cute and precious whatever, 576 00:40:08.150 --> 00:40:13.070 were somehow better than every other animal. It's not that at all. 577 00:40:13.349 --> 00:40:16.070 It's just that human beings are the only creature that is made in God's image. 578 00:40:16.110 --> 00:40:22.300 That's right, that holds this image of God. Yeah, and weird 579 00:40:22.380 --> 00:40:27.860 like supposed to be those who had a conversation of the pro choice lady yesterday 580 00:40:28.260 --> 00:40:32.579 and she talked about I'm not sure that human beings are more valued more than 581 00:40:32.739 --> 00:40:37.090 other animals. So what other creature on the face of the planet has been 582 00:40:37.130 --> 00:40:40.130 given a charge to take care of the planet? Like you don't see whales 583 00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:45.130 going and taking care of the planet, making sure we recycle, you know, 584 00:40:45.690 --> 00:40:47.570 right, because they're the ones that we're taking care of. Like we're 585 00:40:47.570 --> 00:40:52.199 sort of this this, this, as the Bible says, this rule or 586 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:58.039 under God over the creation. Right, befoot, fruitful, multiply, subdue 587 00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.079 the earth and fill it. We're supposed to subdue or have authority over the 588 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.920 earth. Yeah, and we're given the charge to take care of the planet, 589 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:07.150 all right, and we're given charge to take care of it. We're 590 00:41:07.190 --> 00:41:10.110 not there to trample it and destroy it. We Love we love the whales, 591 00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:15.869 I love the way. Yes, but human beings are a special part 592 00:41:15.909 --> 00:41:20.340 of God's creation. There's absolutely no doubt about it. He tells us that 593 00:41:20.420 --> 00:41:22.619 that we Lon are made in his image. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, 594 00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:27.019 and in terms of that it's none of your business. I think I may 595 00:41:27.059 --> 00:41:29.860 have already said this first, but I'll say it again because it's such an 596 00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:35.210 important one. Proverbs twelve, if you say, but we knew nothing about 597 00:41:35.329 --> 00:41:38.489 this. Does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does Not he 598 00:41:38.610 --> 00:41:44.170 who guard your life know it? Will he not repay everyone according to what 599 00:41:44.329 --> 00:41:47.119 they have done? We can't say we don't know what abortion is. We 600 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:52.920 can't say anymore like they could. Actually, when abortion was legalized or made 601 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.079 the law of the land through the Supreme Court decision, they didn't have the 602 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:01.070 ultrasounds that we have now. They really didn't have the depth of understanding, 603 00:42:01.110 --> 00:42:07.309 yeah, of what that baby was and how well developed that baby was at 604 00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:10.710 such an early age. But we do. We see it. Not only 605 00:42:10.789 --> 00:42:14.909 do we have God's word that says that baby is valuable from the moment of 606 00:42:15.030 --> 00:42:19.739 conception, but we have windows into the womb and we see that child and 607 00:42:19.820 --> 00:42:24.900 we know the devastation of abortion. And so much of the aftermath of abortion 608 00:42:25.099 --> 00:42:29.980 is buried and covered up and we're told that we're lying all the time when 609 00:42:30.010 --> 00:42:35.570 we cite any of the research that talks of any negative after effects abortion. 610 00:42:35.690 --> 00:42:38.170 But we do know the truth. And for us to do nothing about it, 611 00:42:38.210 --> 00:42:44.050 according to this person, many God will hold us to account yeah, 612 00:42:44.090 --> 00:42:45.960 we are not. We can't turn a blond, we cannot turn upon yeah, 613 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:50.119 exactly. Okay, let's do our fifth one. All right, bringing 614 00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:53.920 up the right. This is our last one. Why should more unwanted children 615 00:42:54.400 --> 00:43:00.429 come into the world? It is irresponsible. Go help the babies who are 616 00:43:00.469 --> 00:43:02.989 already born, and of course lately. And what about those babies on the 617 00:43:04.110 --> 00:43:06.670 board? What about those children at the border who are put in cages? 618 00:43:06.750 --> 00:43:09.989 And that's any thing. And of course that implies that Christians aren't doing something 619 00:43:10.110 --> 00:43:13.940 out. That's a big priest suffer. So that's right. Yeah, and 620 00:43:14.019 --> 00:43:15.820 the thing, you know, I hear a lot of times wance, you 621 00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:17.460 adopt some of these children out of falster care, and it's like, well, 622 00:43:17.500 --> 00:43:21.820 if you look at the statistics of people that are doing that, it's 623 00:43:21.860 --> 00:43:25.340 Christians. It's overwhelming majority of people who are in the Fauster caure system, 624 00:43:25.380 --> 00:43:30.570 who are not in the fausecure system, like part of it, but getting 625 00:43:30.570 --> 00:43:35.090 children out of the FAULTER cres cract are Christians who were making the sacrifices and 626 00:43:35.130 --> 00:43:37.530 doing the things that are necessary to falster these children, people who are going 627 00:43:37.610 --> 00:43:42.519 down through the border and and meeting the needs there with these people who are 628 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.800 come across the board, overwhelmingly Christians, right, going meeting the needs, 629 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:52.079 bringing practical AIDS, Americans, purs other ministries that are there are, you 630 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.949 know, or there because of the Christian values that we hold right. And 631 00:43:55.429 --> 00:43:58.469 you know, this is this, is it, like all these things, 632 00:43:58.550 --> 00:44:01.389 just a red herring? Right, if you if you really value, you 633 00:44:01.590 --> 00:44:04.630 know, I say the probortion people. You know, they say, if 634 00:44:04.630 --> 00:44:07.670 you really value to one of the ladies the other day, she said, 635 00:44:07.070 --> 00:44:09.980 if you really value lives of children, want you get down to the border. 636 00:44:10.219 --> 00:44:13.539 I'm like, well, why aren't you there? Exactly said, you 637 00:44:13.579 --> 00:44:15.179 know what, if you really think women get you by sticket, you should 638 00:44:15.340 --> 00:44:17.699 you just give us the word. Well, I said, well, if 639 00:44:17.739 --> 00:44:22.139 you think that the oppression of women is what's going on here from us, 640 00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:24.849 we're pressing these women, harassing them, and you think that the issue of 641 00:44:24.929 --> 00:44:29.489 women's oppression is bad, and I do too, but if you really feel 642 00:44:29.489 --> 00:44:31.690 that strongly about it, then go to Saudi Arabia, where women can't even 643 00:44:31.730 --> 00:44:35.570 travel a car. Right, I'm being silly about it, but yeah, 644 00:44:35.690 --> 00:44:37.449 you know, seriously, it's like, yeah, if you, if you 645 00:44:37.530 --> 00:44:39.440 really think this is a big thing, you'll put your money where your mouth 646 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:43.159 is. You're telling me to put my money where my mouth is. And 647 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:47.760 actually there are churches all over Charlotte who are Bible preaching churches. Who are 648 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.119 the ones that are going out and reaching out and who we get volunteers from? 649 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.150 Who are the people that are sending aid to these these people in the 650 00:44:55.230 --> 00:44:59.869 border who are helping out families with foster care? I think we have within 651 00:44:59.949 --> 00:45:04.710 our ministry three families that come to mind immediately. Their foster care right now, 652 00:45:04.949 --> 00:45:07.820 like they're fostering kids. Yeah, so it's like, you know, 653 00:45:07.340 --> 00:45:12.659 it's so the presupposition is wrong and in the fad they're accusing something without even 654 00:45:12.699 --> 00:45:16.539 knowing. Yeah, there are, there, anyone is, but, but, 655 00:45:16.860 --> 00:45:22.570 but the the other part of that is because we are concerned with the 656 00:45:22.929 --> 00:45:29.889 unborn and we're speaking out against abortion. Somehow that's not valid unless we are 657 00:45:30.570 --> 00:45:36.119 speaking out against all injustice, yes, and and every every terrible thing that 658 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:43.000 afflicts humanity. And you know, they wouldn't make that same argument if if 659 00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.800 I was giving to the cancer society, they wouldn't say, well, you 660 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:47.320 can't give to the cancer society. Why you why aren't you giving to the 661 00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:53.190 heart society or whatever? That one's called, or the diabetes society or fighting 662 00:45:53.230 --> 00:45:57.869 kidney disease. Yeah, no, that's Ludacris. That's like his is this 663 00:45:58.030 --> 00:46:00.269 idea of this, if you're not doing everything, that you don't have a 664 00:46:00.309 --> 00:46:04.340 right to do anything. That's right, which is just sir, all it 665 00:46:04.539 --> 00:46:08.260 is again. It's like, if you don't embrace my convictions, then you're 666 00:46:08.300 --> 00:46:12.420 not actually carrying through your convictions. Like, what are you saying? They're 667 00:46:12.460 --> 00:46:15.699 like, what are your convictions? And reality is that if you look at, 668 00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:16.380 you know, a lot of the pro choice people, at least that 669 00:46:16.420 --> 00:46:20.570 I interact with, and they say you should be doing this, I'm like, 670 00:46:21.329 --> 00:46:23.769 are you doing that? Like lead the way, you know, start 671 00:46:23.809 --> 00:46:29.090 an organization that helps kids at the border. Lead the way, and you 672 00:46:29.210 --> 00:46:30.929 know, but I'm telling you, who's leading the way is actually Christian, 673 00:46:31.010 --> 00:46:36.119 Christians, exactly Christians who believe that life begins at conception. That's right. 674 00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:38.880 They're everywhelming. A majority of people who are at the border are people that 675 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:44.920 would would identify with us. Yeah, religiously. Yeah, that's true. 676 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.349 That's true. And and in that question and number five, why should more 677 00:46:47.389 --> 00:46:54.150 unwanted children, you know, unwanted children. Aren't there more people lining up 678 00:46:54.590 --> 00:47:00.389 for adoption, desiring deeply to adopt a child. Yeah, then there are 679 00:47:00.469 --> 00:47:02.659 babies to adopt. Yeah, and it's out of there. You know, 680 00:47:02.739 --> 00:47:08.739 it's so prohibitively expensive for them to do that. So they're someone wants these 681 00:47:08.860 --> 00:47:13.380 children. Well, absolutely, there aren't. I don't think there is any 682 00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:16.769 such thing as unwanted children, right, I mean according to what we see 683 00:47:16.809 --> 00:47:22.369 in the word of God. Sure, it's like, okay, every child 684 00:47:22.449 --> 00:47:24.889 is formed in the womb by the hand of God. God had a plan 685 00:47:25.050 --> 00:47:30.599 for these children and they're not unwanted by him. Right, and just because 686 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.280 we have, US as a society, have rejected, yeah, the truth 687 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.480 of God's word, that God the children are blessing from the Lord, doesn't 688 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.039 mean that God somehow abandons that truth. Right, as a church, we're 689 00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:45.309 supposed to uphold that truth. Children are a blessing from there and and of 690 00:47:45.389 --> 00:47:47.630 value. And you know, Matthew, ten, twenty, nine, thirty 691 00:47:47.670 --> 00:47:52.190 one, about two sparrows sold for a penny, yet not one of them 692 00:47:52.230 --> 00:47:57.269 falls to the ground outside your father's care. Even the very heads of your 693 00:47:57.349 --> 00:48:00.019 head are all numbered. Well, that's true of you, me and and 694 00:48:00.179 --> 00:48:04.500 every unborn baby that every one of us, every human life is of sacred 695 00:48:04.539 --> 00:48:08.940 value before God, and I think what we've we've kind of pointed out in 696 00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:15.929 all of these issues is is that is what is the the underlying theme in 697 00:48:16.090 --> 00:48:22.849 our in our prolife, counter to every argument presented to us. As bottom 698 00:48:22.929 --> 00:48:29.519 line, are human beings of value and are we called the pond to protect 699 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:34.000 in us into human life and to protect all human life? Is All human 700 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.679 life sacred? Yeah, before God, and we would answer yes, yeah, 701 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:43.309 unborn in the born. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, you 702 00:48:43.389 --> 00:48:45.949 know, to wrap that up, Hoope, this was a blessing to those 703 00:48:45.989 --> 00:48:52.150 who joined in and will maybe do another podcast similar to this where we talk 704 00:48:52.190 --> 00:48:54.389 about other pro choice arguments and try to talk through those. Hoope, this 705 00:48:54.550 --> 00:48:58.940 is a blessing and helps you to helps to provoke thought. You know, 706 00:48:58.940 --> 00:49:04.179 I think we need to think certainly rationally and because of that we think biblically, 707 00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:08.139 biblically because God's work is very rational and it gives us some rational progressions 708 00:49:08.179 --> 00:49:13.210 of thought, that sort of thing. I do want to encourage you to 709 00:49:13.530 --> 00:49:15.690 go. We have a website that we've established nationally for people who want to 710 00:49:15.690 --> 00:49:20.289 get involved with sidewalk counseling and get equipped and get trained and that sidewalks for 711 00:49:20.489 --> 00:49:23.960 lifecom, at sidewalks at number four and Lifecom and that has some training and 712 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:29.440 equipping stuff on there to train and equip you to be an effective sidewalk counselor. 713 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:32.119 And there's some videos on there. There's some articles. Were putting content 714 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:37.000 out there on a regular basis to encourage people in sidewalk counseling locally. Our 715 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.389 ministry website is Charlotte dot cities for Life Dot Org. You can connect with 716 00:49:39.510 --> 00:49:45.989 me. My email addresses d parks at cities for lifecom and Vicky is v 717 00:49:46.269 --> 00:49:50.710 Costi Org at cities for Lifecom, so you can connect with her. We'd 718 00:49:50.750 --> 00:49:52.500 like to hear some ideas that you have, maybe some subjects you'd like for 719 00:49:52.539 --> 00:49:55.900 us to cover, some pro life subjects and light of the Gospel. We 720 00:49:57.019 --> 00:50:00.579 did continue to put podcasts out there. We encourage you to share this podcast 721 00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:05.300 with other people, leave a review, shoot me an email and let me 722 00:50:05.380 --> 00:50:07.570 know how we can improve this thing. We want to we want to be 723 00:50:07.650 --> 00:50:10.329 a blessing. This is not just for us to promote ourselves promote our ministry. 724 00:50:10.730 --> 00:50:15.849 This is to encourage the body of Christ to to approach the issue of 725 00:50:15.889 --> 00:50:21.010 abortion in light of the Gospel, because the Gospel is the solution to the 726 00:50:21.130 --> 00:50:24.360 problem of abortion. Just like every other eel of society, the Gospel is 727 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:30.159 a solution. So be blessed and in share this, this podcast, with 728 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:52.980 your friends and family. Use, Milan, use give me. Will cost 729 00:50:53.179 --> 00:51:00.340 me my life, but these two precious inside