Text Conversation With An Abortion-minded Woman

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.109 Lord, I am you. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 3 00:00:10.429 --> 00:00:13.830 This episode, me and Vicky are going to talk through a text conversation that 4 00:00:13.949 --> 00:00:17.710 she had with an abortion minded mom. We thought this conversation would be a 5 00:00:17.750 --> 00:00:24.379 blessing for you guys to listen in on. So stay tuned. I felt 6 00:00:24.820 --> 00:00:38.329 show Passi touch your use. All right. Well, welcome to the Gospel 7 00:00:38.490 --> 00:00:46.130 Center pro life podcast. Guys, appreciate you joining us and today's podcast we're 8 00:00:46.130 --> 00:00:52.640 actually going to go through a conversation that Vicki had with a mom that had 9 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:56.479 chosen life, or at least you've been ministering to, because we thought it 10 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.719 would be helpful for you guys to kind of hear the flow of the conversation, 11 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:03.439 at least some of the turning points in the conversation. Help you guys 12 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.189 to maybe not know exactly what to say. Maybe you can learn from our 13 00:01:07.230 --> 00:01:12.069 mistakes. Right. Yeah, and and talk through that and just maybe talk 14 00:01:12.189 --> 00:01:17.469 through well, if I had it all to do over again, I would 15 00:01:17.469 --> 00:01:19.620 say something different. Maybe not. You do pretty good, Vicki. So 16 00:01:19.939 --> 00:01:23.540 we'll critique some of what you said here. Yeah, and so it was 17 00:01:23.620 --> 00:01:26.900 interesting because it was a taxt it was the she wanted to do it only 18 00:01:26.939 --> 00:01:29.859 by text. In fact, I offered to all and she didn't want me 19 00:01:29.939 --> 00:01:32.969 to call. She wanted to text s shit several young kids at home, 20 00:01:33.769 --> 00:01:38.769 and so it was all recorded on the text. So I removed any identifying 21 00:01:38.890 --> 00:01:42.930 information and I thought it really it was an interesting discussion. And Yeah, 22 00:01:42.969 --> 00:01:47.840 and pretty typical honestly. Yeah, yeah, and just to set the stage 23 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:51.439 for you guys, this was a mom who had come to the abortion center 24 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:57.159 and she was there until the afternoon. You and I had left because we 25 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.079 were there that morning and had no interaction whither. As far as I understand, 26 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.989 she heard us. She definitely heard US talking and calling out, and 27 00:02:05.390 --> 00:02:08.789 in the afternoon she came out of the abortion center ended up talking to one 28 00:02:08.830 --> 00:02:13.909 of our afternoon team right and telling them that she chose life. Yeah, 29 00:02:14.189 --> 00:02:16.900 at least for today, for that day. Shaky. They when they talked 30 00:02:16.939 --> 00:02:21.379 to me, they said it was a shaky save, a shaky choice for 31 00:02:21.539 --> 00:02:24.539 life. Yeah, so choice for life nonetheless for that day. I got 32 00:02:24.620 --> 00:02:30.050 the contact information from her and fought. You were following up with her and 33 00:02:30.289 --> 00:02:34.689 talking through the situation because we want to make sure really that she doesn't come 34 00:02:34.729 --> 00:02:37.250 back back to the abortion center, as much as we're able to know. 35 00:02:37.569 --> 00:02:42.610 You said it's a shaky decision for life. I want to solidify that decision 36 00:02:42.689 --> 00:02:45.759 for life and talk through the struggles and things that brought her there and let 37 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:47.599 her know that she doesn't have to get back to that abortion right, right. 38 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:53.639 And so well, kind of just share with us how this conversation started 39 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.919 off and the flow of things and again, as you as are listening through, 40 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.990 we're going to talk through some of the highlights of this conversation, some 41 00:03:00.069 --> 00:03:05.750 of the turning points and share with you just some inside they help encourage you 42 00:03:05.789 --> 00:03:08.629 guys in your conversations with abortion minded women. Well, it starts off honestly, 43 00:03:08.789 --> 00:03:14.219 she's mad at me because through honestly no fault of my own, her 44 00:03:14.419 --> 00:03:17.939 family had found out that she had been at the abortion center. She had 45 00:03:17.939 --> 00:03:22.139 been hiding it, which was important for me to know. Yeah, I'm 46 00:03:22.180 --> 00:03:24.620 glad I found that out. So because I knew there was then shame over 47 00:03:24.659 --> 00:03:31.569 over that choice. So the conversation started with her saying I'm embarrassed because now 48 00:03:31.610 --> 00:03:37.370 I'm going to be judged by all these people. And so the the first 49 00:03:37.490 --> 00:03:39.610 thing I did was say, Hey, I'm not here to judge you, 50 00:03:39.689 --> 00:03:45.400 I'm here to offer resources and on it. And that was also why she 51 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:50.759 was referred to me, because our counselors who saw her in the afternoon fairly 52 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.719 new counselors and they just didn't know all of our resources, and I do. 53 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.669 Yeah, so they had said give give it, you call, she'll 54 00:03:57.710 --> 00:04:01.069 tell you about the resources. Right. Yeah, so I texted her and 55 00:04:01.150 --> 00:04:08.750 she's said, you know, she's embarrassed and and so the initial part of 56 00:04:08.789 --> 00:04:12.340 that of the conversation, and we're not going to read through all the text 57 00:04:12.379 --> 00:04:17.300 because it would just be too long, but was me offering help and and 58 00:04:17.500 --> 00:04:23.500 working through, first of all, her concerns that she was going to be 59 00:04:23.740 --> 00:04:28.290 judged. Yeah, and that she was being judged, or condemned would probably 60 00:04:28.290 --> 00:04:31.449 be a better word, that she thought that we were condemning her. So 61 00:04:31.649 --> 00:04:38.129 work through that and she was willing then to to talk with me a little 62 00:04:38.290 --> 00:04:42.680 and and she said thank you when I said listen, I'm here always. 63 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.560 I if you want to talk, I will try my best to help. 64 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:48.079 Yeah, and I will try my best to show you I'm not here to 65 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:53.269 judge you. And so she said, well, thank you. Just whisper 66 00:04:53.350 --> 00:04:56.310 a prayer for me please. So that was kind of, for me, 67 00:04:56.470 --> 00:04:59.069 the first turning point, right. Yeah, whisper up. So, just 68 00:04:59.230 --> 00:05:02.910 without getting into a lot of the details of why she felt judge while she 69 00:05:03.069 --> 00:05:08.300 felt, you know, and how even that came into play, because there's 70 00:05:08.300 --> 00:05:12.779 a lot going on behind the scenes there, how she even was to think 71 00:05:12.819 --> 00:05:16.060 that her family found out and because of our connection there that her family found 72 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:19.540 out. We will get into all of that. But understand, guys, 73 00:05:19.660 --> 00:05:23.610 and if you've been out to an abortion center, if you've ministered to abortion 74 00:05:23.689 --> 00:05:27.930 mounted women, you probably already understand that there's a lot of guilt associated with 75 00:05:28.009 --> 00:05:30.730 it. Even again, with a woman who left the abortion clinic who at 76 00:05:30.769 --> 00:05:34.920 least was a choice for life, so much so that she stopped and talk 77 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:40.199 with our counselors on the way out and didn't get the abortion and didn't have 78 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:44.399 the abortion right, she still yeah, there was some guilt associated with even 79 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.079 being at the abortion clinic. So we have to understand that to that when 80 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:53.230 we're when we're talking about because we can get into all the the biblical because 81 00:05:53.269 --> 00:05:57.310 we did a podcast about judgment, all the biblical justification for us to judge. 82 00:05:57.350 --> 00:06:00.670 Yes, we are to make judgments, but in this situation what she's 83 00:06:00.750 --> 00:06:03.579 really saying is, I feel guilty and I'm concerned. You're going to make 84 00:06:03.620 --> 00:06:09.459 me feel more guilty and you're going to heap condemnation on me and all of 85 00:06:09.579 --> 00:06:12.899 that. So just to meet her where she's at. You're saying. I'm 86 00:06:12.939 --> 00:06:15.180 not connecting with you to judge you, I just want to help you. 87 00:06:15.540 --> 00:06:19.610 Right, and you're dealing with that guilt that she feels and rather than trying 88 00:06:19.649 --> 00:06:24.850 to magnify that, obviously the Holy Spirit needs to minister to that. The 89 00:06:24.970 --> 00:06:28.610 Holy Spirit is not against guilt. As a matter of fact, the Holy 90 00:06:28.649 --> 00:06:33.600 Spirit uses guilt to bring people to a place of ultimately to salvation. Right. 91 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:38.600 You exactly don't come to the Lord for Salvation until you understand that you're 92 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:42.279 guilty before God for sin. Right. But you're not going to say all 93 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.079 that stuff just initially. Right, you work through this, and that's basically 94 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.269 what you're doing here. You're working through that guilt and trying to show her 95 00:06:49.430 --> 00:06:53.670 why that guilt is even there. Right, and and told her don't beat 96 00:06:53.670 --> 00:06:57.470 yourself up. You overcame that temptation. You were tempted to Sind we all 97 00:06:57.509 --> 00:07:00.620 are tempted to sin, but you overcame at don't beat yourself up. Satan 98 00:07:01.100 --> 00:07:04.500 is the one that does that. Yeah, not, not God. So 99 00:07:04.899 --> 00:07:09.339 just trying to first of all comfort her. Yeah, it was the first 100 00:07:09.420 --> 00:07:15.379 part of the the session. Yeah, with with her. And then when 101 00:07:15.420 --> 00:07:19.370 I said that, it kind of opened trust, maybe, yeah, in 102 00:07:19.529 --> 00:07:25.810 her towards me and she shared the problem, really the crux of the problem. 103 00:07:26.250 --> 00:07:30.240 She said, I know, but I'm already having a hard time with 104 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:34.120 the many children that I have. And just to preserve privacy, I won't 105 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:36.680 name the number, but it was a lot. Just she has a lot 106 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:42.600 of children. So here's the problem identified now and which is really the first 107 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:46.829 step towards any ability to help someone. You understand what the problem was. 108 00:07:46.870 --> 00:07:48.589 So the problems. She's overwhelmed, she's got a lot of kids. She 109 00:07:48.910 --> 00:07:56.470 already was struggling to provide for the children that she had. So so the 110 00:07:56.550 --> 00:08:01.019 first thing in the discussion. Then it went into something I don't often do, 111 00:08:01.819 --> 00:08:03.579 but knowing the number of children, knowing that she was ready to kill 112 00:08:03.620 --> 00:08:09.180 that child and knowing that she's feeling totally overwhelmed, I did say they're there 113 00:08:09.180 --> 00:08:13.329 are resources, but if you choose to parent this child, we will help 114 00:08:13.370 --> 00:08:16.449 you. Yeah, and we have so many resources that can help you. 115 00:08:18.170 --> 00:08:22.610 But if you choose that parenting is not possible for you, we will walk 116 00:08:22.689 --> 00:08:28.279 you through adoption. Yeah, placing your child for adoption. And she didn't 117 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.120 reject that idea. So I knew that that was kind of in the back 118 00:08:31.200 --> 00:08:35.240 of in the back of her mind. Yeah, at least a consideration for 119 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:37.360 her. Right, right, and I reminded her that she had time. 120 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.549 Yeah, you have you have time. She was not. She was early 121 00:08:41.629 --> 00:08:43.990 on in the pregnancy. You have time before you have to make this decision. 122 00:08:45.909 --> 00:08:50.549 So the the next step for me. I know she's shaky. I 123 00:08:50.710 --> 00:08:54.779 know I was probably not going to go for adoption, and most women don't. 124 00:08:54.820 --> 00:08:58.779 Yeah, that we interact with, which we've talked about before on past 125 00:08:58.860 --> 00:09:05.740 podcast. So I knew that really for her, abortion is still on the 126 00:09:05.860 --> 00:09:09.929 table. And as soon as possible, try to introduce the idea of God. 127 00:09:11.049 --> 00:09:15.730 Yeah, I've mentioned resources. She didn't start jumping up and down with 128 00:09:15.809 --> 00:09:18.409 joy. Say No, then my mind is made up. Right. So 129 00:09:18.570 --> 00:09:26.960 then you segue into the discussion of God and one of the we knew, 130 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.840 by the way, just as to shed some light on what I was working 131 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:35.080 with. I knew from the afternoon team that she claimed to be a Christian. 132 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:39.029 Yeah, that's important. Yeah, she claimed to believe in God. 133 00:09:39.269 --> 00:09:45.110 She even claimed that Jesus was her Lord. I knew that. So I 134 00:09:45.230 --> 00:09:48.429 knew that that was where I needed to speak with her. Yeah, and 135 00:09:48.590 --> 00:09:54.220 in that whole idea of Lordship. So one of the I right away. 136 00:09:54.340 --> 00:09:58.019 Then this gives me the ability to start sharing scripture. She's the one that 137 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:03.940 first brought up prayer and and so I said, well, if, if 138 00:10:03.019 --> 00:10:07.289 you know God and if you claim Jesus is Lord, you know Jesus himself 139 00:10:07.330 --> 00:10:11.370 says, if you love me, you will do what I say. I 140 00:10:11.529 --> 00:10:15.769 think you love him, and his word is clear. He says the shedding 141 00:10:15.809 --> 00:10:22.480 of innocent blood is one of the seven greatest abominations before God. And that 142 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:28.679 scripture. Well, that's that was that's a description of a person, proverbs. 143 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.000 But that's bringing her to the truth of your claiming Jesus is Lord, 144 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:39.950 and yet you're here to shed this innocent child's blood and and we're told that 145 00:10:39.110 --> 00:10:43.149 that is not okay. Yeah, if yes is your Lord. And so 146 00:10:43.629 --> 00:10:46.830 some folks that that might be listening. I think, wow, you just 147 00:10:46.990 --> 00:10:50.179 went straightforward. You didn't. You didn't dance around the issue. You went 148 00:10:50.299 --> 00:10:52.539 straight for yeah, if you're claiming to be a Christian, right, you 149 00:10:52.580 --> 00:10:56.899 can't kill your innocent child, and I guess every time you do that you 150 00:10:56.940 --> 00:11:01.019 do risk them hanging up on you. Absolutely do you risk you know, 151 00:11:01.259 --> 00:11:05.850 I no response there on that text thread. Yeah, that's rights, them 152 00:11:05.929 --> 00:11:09.330 hanging up on you if you're on the phone. You risk them driving off 153 00:11:09.409 --> 00:11:11.649 if they in their vehicle. Right, and you know, with any of 154 00:11:11.649 --> 00:11:16.809 these situations you have to be led by the Holy Spirit. Probably wouldn't go 155 00:11:16.889 --> 00:11:20.879 right there if I was talking to a woman car side in front of the 156 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.080 abortion center, but if I'm talking to them on the phone they've left the 157 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.360 abortion center, at least have some information there that they claim to be a 158 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:31.799 Christian, also that they felt the conviction enough to leave the abortion said I 159 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:35.629 have the abortion that they so I know what I'm dealing with here. I'm 160 00:11:35.669 --> 00:11:39.070 dealing with someone who's pretty inclined to listen, at least to hear me out. 161 00:11:39.629 --> 00:11:43.909 And so why beat around the Bush? Why not down straight for the 162 00:11:43.029 --> 00:11:46.070 exactly? We don't know how much time we have. I knew that already. 163 00:11:46.340 --> 00:11:50.299 She's she's with a lot of kids, that it's not naptime, the 164 00:11:50.299 --> 00:11:54.940 kids are awake and I knew I had limited time and, as we always 165 00:11:54.980 --> 00:12:01.259 do really when we're dealing with an abortion minded woman. So and if she's 166 00:12:01.340 --> 00:12:05.610 claimed the Lord, then and and she told our counselor she claimed Jesus as 167 00:12:05.690 --> 00:12:09.450 Lord and they believed her. They said they felt that she had an understanding, 168 00:12:09.570 --> 00:12:13.129 a true understanding, of Jesus as Lord. Yeah, so, yeah, 169 00:12:13.129 --> 00:12:16.799 I was probably more straightforward than I would have been with someone who had 170 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:22.200 not claimed that they had a faith. Yes, saving faith. But I 171 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:28.120 went back to where she said she's already having a hard time and what that 172 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.509 tells me is not only is she struggling with the very real struggle of handling 173 00:12:33.549 --> 00:12:37.269 a lot of children, but it's not what she wanted in life. Yes, 174 00:12:37.350 --> 00:12:41.230 I would maybe what she expected, yeah, of someone who's following God 175 00:12:41.350 --> 00:12:46.980 and now he's given her another child which she sees is just hea being struggle 176 00:12:46.019 --> 00:12:52.379 upon struggle. And I wanted to address that and said that the Bible says 177 00:12:52.419 --> 00:12:56.700 nothing is impossible with God, but that doesn't mean we won't have troubles. 178 00:12:56.940 --> 00:13:00.610 Jesus himself says, in this world you will have troubles, but take heart, 179 00:13:00.809 --> 00:13:05.570 I have overcome the world and as and I'm talking about that verse and 180 00:13:05.690 --> 00:13:11.889 what it means to have struggles and troubles and that that doesn't mean that you're 181 00:13:11.929 --> 00:13:16.320 not walking with God at all. God himself tells us that we will have 182 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:20.679 yeah, absolutely. And so what you're bringing into the equation, which is 183 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.480 often times where we want to get to in the conversation, again, whether 184 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.070 we're talking to a woman car side at the abortion center or on the sidewalk 185 00:13:28.149 --> 00:13:33.070 in front of the abortion center or on the phone or through text or whatever 186 00:13:33.190 --> 00:13:37.350 means, yeah, is we want to bring God into the equation. Yes, 187 00:13:37.470 --> 00:13:39.149 that's right. I mean he's already in the equation. Of course, 188 00:13:39.590 --> 00:13:43.100 he's the Lord of Heaven and earth, but they're in their mind and there. 189 00:13:43.179 --> 00:13:46.179 Yeah, they're not acknowledging that and because of the fear, because of 190 00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:50.580 the selfishness and because of whatever else is going on, they've sort of made 191 00:13:50.620 --> 00:13:56.090 God a side issue. Yeah, and so we need to bring him to 192 00:13:56.169 --> 00:14:00.529 the forefront of their minds and remind them that, yes, they're accountable to 193 00:14:00.570 --> 00:14:03.970 him, but also he's faithful. Yeah, he's faithful in these situations, 194 00:14:05.049 --> 00:14:07.490 and you know this. Goes right along the lines of helping them trust in 195 00:14:07.529 --> 00:14:11.399 the Lord, to bring God into the equation and his character, that he's 196 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:16.600 faithful. Yeah, that he though you'll have tribulation, he's with you in 197 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.600 the midst of that tribulation's right, and and to correct misperceptions, because it 198 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:22.919 is some as perception that if you trust God, your life is going to 199 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.389 be easy. He never promises right, God never says that, and I 200 00:14:28.669 --> 00:14:31.950 do think that that is one of the dangers of modern Christianity. Absolutely, 201 00:14:31.990 --> 00:14:37.509 that that is promised and if there's struggles or troubles we try to get rid 202 00:14:37.549 --> 00:14:41.500 of them, as though that's not normal. But that's just so. Yeah, 203 00:14:41.659 --> 00:14:45.740 counter to what the Bible tells. Absolutely, you know, you've got, 204 00:14:46.419 --> 00:14:48.899 you know, the modern like Prosperity Gospel. Right, that has to 205 00:14:48.940 --> 00:14:52.700 do with only, you know, health and wealth and has very little to 206 00:14:52.740 --> 00:14:56.929 do with laying down your life, taking up your cross and following Jesus right 207 00:14:56.129 --> 00:14:58.809 the whole. You know, God loves you and has a wonderful plan for 208 00:14:58.889 --> 00:15:03.330 your life. Gospel. Yeah, and man, tell tell Stephen that who 209 00:15:03.409 --> 00:15:07.720 was stoned in the first century for his is faith in Jesus. It's not 210 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.840 that God doesn't have wonderful plan for your life. He certainly does his plans 211 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.360 just as not always necessarily your plan, and sometimes I think that you would 212 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.200 think that maybe that's a terrible message. I've had many people tell me what 213 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.710 that's depressing. Well, maybe, except no one who has lived any length 214 00:15:24.750 --> 00:15:31.389 of time has not experienced struggle and trouble. They we all do, and 215 00:15:31.470 --> 00:15:37.779 I think it's freeing for us to know. Wait, this doesn't mean necessarily 216 00:15:37.460 --> 00:15:41.899 that it's because I'm walking away from God or disobedient to God. It's just 217 00:15:43.379 --> 00:15:46.620 what life is. There will be struggle and trouble, but there is an 218 00:15:46.659 --> 00:15:52.889 accompanying promise, yeah, by God, which you touched on when you said 219 00:15:52.289 --> 00:15:56.490 Jesus is with us. He is it. We're not alone through those struggles 220 00:15:56.649 --> 00:16:03.490 and ultimately, and I'm I talked with her about this, ultimately Jesus words 221 00:16:03.529 --> 00:16:07.039 are I have overcome the world. Take Heart, I have overcome the world. 222 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:11.080 In other words, he wins. Yeah, he has the victory. 223 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.399 And so who do we want to hitch our wagon to? Yeah, he 224 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.110 who has overcome the world and has the victory, or the author of death, 225 00:16:19.230 --> 00:16:23.549 the enemy of our soul who is whispering her in her ear all this 226 00:16:23.830 --> 00:16:27.190 shame and condemnation and just go do it and get rid of your troubles and 227 00:16:27.230 --> 00:16:32.230 kill your baby. And so I was trying to paint the picture of that. 228 00:16:32.899 --> 00:16:41.220 She needs to turn to God, who has overcome the world, and 229 00:16:41.460 --> 00:16:47.059 and talked with her about the promises that God does make. Abundant joy, 230 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:52.049 abundant life, peace, eternal life. Yeah, so those are those are 231 00:16:52.129 --> 00:16:57.809 worth pursuing. And at that point there was an interesting again, I thought 232 00:16:57.809 --> 00:17:07.480 it was a turning point. She made a very insightful comment about herself and 233 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.359 I thought it should great self perception and self awareness, and also she's opening 234 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.480 up to me, which is always a good sign. Anybody who will listen 235 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.349 to that. When you just kind of lay it out real playing and say 236 00:17:18.869 --> 00:17:22.990 this is an abomination before God, right, and will continue on in the 237 00:17:22.029 --> 00:17:26.549 conversation, least you know you've got their attention and you hadn't lost them there, 238 00:17:26.789 --> 00:17:30.900 right, you know, right and that. Of course, that doesn't 239 00:17:30.900 --> 00:17:33.579 work with everyone and you do rely on the Holy Spirit, but I had 240 00:17:33.740 --> 00:17:40.460 a counseling session right after this, just the next day, where the woman 241 00:17:40.619 --> 00:17:45.089 said that the reason that she wanted to listen to me was because you don't 242 00:17:45.089 --> 00:17:48.609 sugarcoat it. That's what she said. You don't sugarcoat it. So I 243 00:17:48.769 --> 00:17:52.450 think sometimes we are mistaken that. Well, people want to hear is everything 244 00:17:53.210 --> 00:17:56.809 phrased in gentle you know. I mean we want to be gentle, but 245 00:17:56.970 --> 00:18:02.039 we don't want to make it sound better than it really is, because they 246 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:06.279 know it's not better than it really is, of course. So, anyway, 247 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:10.480 she said, I've realized I don't really love myself. I don't respect 248 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:15.309 myself either, so it is hard to trust God when I don't know if 249 00:18:15.349 --> 00:18:22.950 I can trust myself. Yeah, she can't trust God because she can't trust 250 00:18:22.069 --> 00:18:27.019 herself, whereas I flip that around right away, right, of course, 251 00:18:27.180 --> 00:18:32.420 you know, and told her you're right, you can't trust yourself. None 252 00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:37.660 of us really can trust ourselves, but we can trust God. He is 253 00:18:37.819 --> 00:18:40.940 trustworthy. Yeah, we're not. Yeah, you know a lot of that. 254 00:18:41.180 --> 00:18:44.369 was talking someone about this the other day, actually, one of our 255 00:18:44.369 --> 00:18:48.089 new volunteers, and about one of the issues that many of the not just 256 00:18:48.210 --> 00:18:51.809 the women that we encounter and men that we encounter the abortion center, but 257 00:18:51.930 --> 00:18:57.279 just in general in society, is that society has an identity crisis. You've 258 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:03.440 got an identity crisis. Yeah, and that identity crisis is rooted in we 259 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.960 don't know who god is. We don't know who we are because we don't 260 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:11.349 know who god is, and a world that's rejected God is in a isis 261 00:19:11.430 --> 00:19:15.269 of crisis right there's no solid foundation. To the point, you know, 262 00:19:15.430 --> 00:19:19.029 even the fabric that God has established in society of the family, has fallen 263 00:19:19.069 --> 00:19:22.670 apart. A lot of people have an identity crisis. They don't know they're 264 00:19:22.710 --> 00:19:26.420 worth and their value because their father wasn't in the picture. And a lot 265 00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:30.819 of children, the way God has designed it, find, I want to 266 00:19:30.819 --> 00:19:33.420 say, their value, but at least they're worth in their purpose from their 267 00:19:33.460 --> 00:19:38.450 fathers. And their father's not there, then they don't know they're they're worth 268 00:19:38.569 --> 00:19:42.130 in their value and in the same token, if they rejected God, as 269 00:19:42.210 --> 00:19:47.289 of course the heavenly father, have a hard time seeing their worth and their 270 00:19:47.329 --> 00:19:51.410 value there. So it's just this whole big picture of things fallen apart and 271 00:19:51.450 --> 00:19:53.720 the way they got is on it. That is exactly what I found as 272 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:59.839 as the discussion went on. But asking questions, we've said that many times, 273 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:03.519 is really a good counseling technique and I did ask a lot of questions 274 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:10.349 and one of them was why do you not love yourself? And she said 275 00:20:10.390 --> 00:20:14.230 she would not allow the things she allowed, she wouldn't allow people to hurt 276 00:20:14.230 --> 00:20:18.549 her and she wouldn't beat herself up over things that she could not change. 277 00:20:21.109 --> 00:20:29.740 But she was not really recognizing that maybe she didn't love herself because she was 278 00:20:30.019 --> 00:20:34.380 doing things that she didn't want to be doing. Yeah, that I mean, 279 00:20:36.049 --> 00:20:37.769 she wanted to be doing them, but they were in rebellion. Right. 280 00:20:37.809 --> 00:20:41.890 Yeah, that's that. That fight in the heart, right, the 281 00:20:41.970 --> 00:20:45.569 battle between the flesh and the in the spirit. Right, and she's dealing 282 00:20:45.609 --> 00:20:48.890 with and given, more over, into the flesh. It Causes Destruction, 283 00:20:48.970 --> 00:20:52.599 it calls US depression, it causes all these things that come in the hearts, 284 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.200 in the minds of people that give themselves to sin. Right. And 285 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.359 when I asked her, that's that. When when she least loved herself, 286 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:03.430 it was in the times when she disobeyed God. Yes, she walked away 287 00:21:03.470 --> 00:21:07.150 from God. She you know, it's interesting that here we are having a 288 00:21:07.190 --> 00:21:10.950 discussion where she's still abortion mind it. There's no doubt she's just still thinking 289 00:21:10.990 --> 00:21:14.269 about abortion, and she's saying, I don't love myself. Well, no, 290 00:21:14.430 --> 00:21:18.230 kidding, you're about to go do one of the worst things you could 291 00:21:18.230 --> 00:21:22.859 do before God, and as a woman, and certainly to that that innocent 292 00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:30.539 baby. It's hard to love yourself when you're engaged in just such direct rebellion 293 00:21:30.940 --> 00:21:37.730 against right from wrong. Yeah, violating your conscience exactly. So I said 294 00:21:37.809 --> 00:21:41.569 that. I said when when you obey God, how do you feel? 295 00:21:42.289 --> 00:21:48.599 And she felt better about herself. Yeah, and and I asked her those 296 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:53.599 times when you have obeyed God are The Times? It was that when your 297 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:59.200 faith was strong or weak, and they were times when her faith was stronger. 298 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:04.869 Yeah, and and then I said I believe that we love ourselves most 299 00:22:06.589 --> 00:22:08.549 when we are in the will of God. Odd and again. I felt 300 00:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.269 that that was a turning point. Yeah, because she, I don't think, 301 00:22:12.390 --> 00:22:18.660 had considered that at all. I think she was saying she was kind 302 00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:23.180 of blaming the world around her. Think she had no control over how people 303 00:22:23.339 --> 00:22:29.460 treat her, how she responds to how they treat her and how angry she 304 00:22:29.660 --> 00:22:32.250 is about things. She can't change. None of those things she could really 305 00:22:32.329 --> 00:22:37.329 have any effect on, but she could affect whether she obeyed God or not. 306 00:22:37.569 --> 00:22:41.529 Yeah, are either. Scripture here that came to mine, John, 307 00:22:41.609 --> 00:22:45.759 Chapter Four. This is Jesus, he just got done minister into the woman 308 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.720 at the will and powerful. You know, you guys know this story. 309 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.720 I'm sure she goes off to her village to testify about who Jesus was. 310 00:22:53.319 --> 00:23:00.750 Well, Jesus Disciples show up and and it says they urged him to eat. 311 00:23:00.829 --> 00:23:03.390 This is in chapter four, verse thirty. One. His disciples urged 312 00:23:03.430 --> 00:23:07.789 him to eat, saying REBBA, eat, and he said to them, 313 00:23:07.829 --> 00:23:11.390 I have food to eat, of which you do not know. And then 314 00:23:11.549 --> 00:23:15.019 one of it's a I give him food, and he goes on to say 315 00:23:15.460 --> 00:23:18.339 my food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish 316 00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:23.740 his work. So his nutrients came from obeying God. Right, and maybe 317 00:23:23.779 --> 00:23:27.170 it's maybe it's not the greatest comparison here, but I think it is if 318 00:23:27.170 --> 00:23:33.089 you think about it in your human relationships. As a child, did you 319 00:23:33.210 --> 00:23:37.609 not feel like really good when you when you cleaned your room without asking? 320 00:23:37.809 --> 00:23:40.289 Yeah, without your parents asking. You know what I'm saying. You felt 321 00:23:40.289 --> 00:23:41.920 good about yourself, like I did the right thing finally, and I feel 322 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:47.640 good about myself. That loves you exactly, and you show your love by 323 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.680 your obedience to them, and it does feel good feels good. Yeah, 324 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:53.200 in the same way. You know, as a Christian, I'm sure some 325 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:57.109 of you guys you know brand new as Christians. You haven't shared your faith 326 00:23:57.150 --> 00:24:02.269 a lot, and then you finally step out and you give a track to 327 00:24:02.390 --> 00:24:06.549 somebody at the grocery store or you share the Gospel with somebody you've been praying 328 00:24:06.589 --> 00:24:08.910 for a long time and you know, it's like in your mind before you 329 00:24:10.059 --> 00:24:11.940 did it's like, I can't do that, it would feel terrible if I 330 00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:15.180 did it. I just feel I feel, I don't know, embarrassed or 331 00:24:15.220 --> 00:24:18.259 whatever these bad feelings come but when you actually do it, then you start 332 00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:23.059 to feel huh, you almost feel like the satisfaction of your heavenly father. 333 00:24:23.650 --> 00:24:26.089 That's kind of what Jesus is talking about. That's kind of what this young 334 00:24:26.130 --> 00:24:30.809 lady's dealing with. She's doing things that disobey God right, but she feels 335 00:24:30.849 --> 00:24:34.170 good when she finally does obey the Lord. It's like that satisfaction that you've 336 00:24:34.250 --> 00:24:37.769 done what is right in the side of your head, my father, and 337 00:24:37.849 --> 00:24:40.759 I'm glad you said that because actually I think that was an important part of 338 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:45.799 the conversation that I did skip over about where I was talking about you did 339 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:51.480 obey God today. You obeyed God when you walked out of that abortion center. 340 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.950 You'd nothing was solved. Yet. Yeah, nothing had changed in your 341 00:24:53.990 --> 00:24:57.190 situation. Nothing. It still hasn't changed. We're telling you it will, 342 00:24:57.309 --> 00:25:00.990 but it still ha has not. And yet you chose to obey God when 343 00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:04.789 you walked out. How did that make you feel? And she exactly what 344 00:25:04.910 --> 00:25:07.940 you said, Daniel. It made her feel good. Yeah, and so 345 00:25:08.140 --> 00:25:14.700 that's our love, I think, for ourself comes when we most mirror God. 346 00:25:14.980 --> 00:25:18.779 Yeah, when we most reflect our heavenly father, because that's what we're 347 00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:22.130 made for. Yeah, our purpose is to glorify God. So when we 348 00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:29.809 are glorifying God in our actions is when we most love ourselves, because we 349 00:25:30.009 --> 00:25:33.329 know we are doing what we were made to do. And every act of 350 00:25:33.450 --> 00:25:38.119 disobedience, I think, is an act that takes us further from true and 351 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:47.079 and what is honest and healthy self love. Yeah, absolutely. So she 352 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.029 said that she's struggling, she's trying, she's trying, and and then I 353 00:25:52.150 --> 00:25:56.190 address that, because we hear that all the time too. I'm trying, 354 00:25:56.349 --> 00:26:00.750 I'm trying, I'm trying so hard, but I keep failing, and I 355 00:26:00.910 --> 00:26:07.220 think sometimes we do try too hard on our own power. Yeah, and 356 00:26:07.460 --> 00:26:11.619 not submitting enough to the power and the strength of God. And when do 357 00:26:11.740 --> 00:26:15.420 we feel that? When we obey him. Yeah, when we follow him, 358 00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:19.049 when we pray and ask him to help us. He does. He 359 00:26:19.450 --> 00:26:23.769 always answers that prayer. Yeah, he gives us just enough strength, yes, 360 00:26:23.890 --> 00:26:27.650 absolutely, to make make it through whatever we need to do. And, 361 00:26:27.890 --> 00:26:33.279 and I guess I actually said that, if the purpose in your life 362 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:38.119 is to glorify God, it takes the focus off of your failures and yourself 363 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.559 and puts the focus on God, which is where it needs to be. 364 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:47.079 Yeah, and at that point she said I agree. Yeah, and again 365 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:52.230 a validation and I think, a turning point for her that Oh, maybe 366 00:26:52.309 --> 00:26:55.029 my focus has been too much on my struggle, too much on me, 367 00:26:55.829 --> 00:27:00.349 too much on what I can control, and really it needs to be on 368 00:27:00.589 --> 00:27:06.859 God. Yeah. So from from that point I went into the Gospel, 369 00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:10.900 because I think now she's been engaging with me for quite some time at this 370 00:27:11.059 --> 00:27:15.140 point about God, but there hasn't been a real sharing of the Gospel. 371 00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:19.170 I knew that our afternoon team had to some degree shared the Gospel, so 372 00:27:19.210 --> 00:27:25.690 I didn't feel the pressure. You know fully it's a pressure I put on 373 00:27:25.769 --> 00:27:29.170 myself, but that I feel God calls us to share the full Gospel. 374 00:27:29.210 --> 00:27:30.960 I knew that she at least heard some of it. She claimed to know 375 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:33.920 it, but I did ask her at that point are you going to heaven 376 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.880 or hell? What you think? And she she answered that she was going 377 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:45.109 to heaven and I asked why, and she said because because she had faith. 378 00:27:45.150 --> 00:27:51.190 Yeah, and and she was basically good. Yeah, which we hear 379 00:27:51.230 --> 00:27:52.670 a lot. Right, I'm a good person. Yeah. So I said, 380 00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:56.150 well, if would there be enough bad things you could do to send 381 00:27:56.190 --> 00:28:00.539 you to hell? And she said no, I could do a million times 382 00:28:00.740 --> 00:28:06.140 too, I think she said, bad things, as long as I repent, 383 00:28:06.220 --> 00:28:10.980 yeah, he will hear me, and so that's always a red flag 384 00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:15.049 to me. That's red flag. And why is that a big concern in 385 00:28:15.170 --> 00:28:19.450 this conversation? It's because there's that in the back of the mind. Justification 386 00:28:19.690 --> 00:28:23.849 for an abortion. Absolutely, and it's well, I can do a million 387 00:28:25.009 --> 00:28:27.880 times two things and God will forgive me as long as I repent first. 388 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:33.599 Almost there's a misunderstanding what repent even means exact almost like repent just means saying 389 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.480 you're sorry, and that's not at all what repentance, to do whatever you 390 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:38.920 want to do, as long as you're sure to say I'm sorry when you're 391 00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.910 done. Yeah, exactly. And Yeah, of course that's a dressed in 392 00:28:41.950 --> 00:28:48.470 the scripture several times. Many shall we sin? That grace might have bound, 393 00:28:48.950 --> 00:28:52.309 may it never be right. So using the grace of God as a 394 00:28:52.470 --> 00:28:56.619 license for sin, right is, is not okay in the sight of God. 395 00:28:56.779 --> 00:29:00.420 It's a trap, right, the trap of the enemy. And that's 396 00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:04.180 what she was tempted to do. And in one sense, in conversations like 397 00:29:04.299 --> 00:29:07.740 this, and this is where you guys need to be cued in, is 398 00:29:07.819 --> 00:29:11.410 that sometimes, and you're when you're in a conversation like this with an abortion 399 00:29:11.490 --> 00:29:15.369 minded mom, whether it again, it be by text or over the phone 400 00:29:15.369 --> 00:29:18.930 or right there at the abortion clinic, they're trying to grab all into justifications 401 00:29:19.089 --> 00:29:22.569 for abortion. You got to be so careful. Yeah, you got it. 402 00:29:22.609 --> 00:29:26.920 Is One of those big, big areas. Yeah, area of forgiveness. 403 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:32.279 You have to be so careful that. That's saying, which we did 404 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.240 do a podcast about, for damps of it as well, how to introduce 405 00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:40.069 forgiveness right, because it's a big thing. If you're if you're one of 406 00:29:40.109 --> 00:29:44.950 those people that will just say yeah, God will forgive you. You need 407 00:29:44.990 --> 00:29:48.789 to be careful for that, because that's not actually true. God, here's 408 00:29:48.829 --> 00:29:52.750 the thing. God is not beholden to anyone. God does not have to 409 00:29:52.829 --> 00:29:56.420 forgive anyone for anything, and just to broadcast this idea that God will forgive 410 00:29:56.460 --> 00:30:03.779 you is incorrect. It's not biblical and it gives a justification for a sin 411 00:30:03.900 --> 00:30:06.859 and especially when we're dealing with the murder of a child, we need to 412 00:30:06.940 --> 00:30:10.490 be careful. So just here hear what I'm saying and not what I'm not 413 00:30:10.569 --> 00:30:17.089 saying. I am saying God is not required to forgive that person, but 414 00:30:17.250 --> 00:30:21.640 God can and God will if they truly repent. So that needs to be 415 00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:23.839 that's the caveat here. So just to broadcast this idea that, yes, 416 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:26.720 you have this abortion, yes, God will forgive you, because you will 417 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.839 have those conversations a lot of times. We have one not too long ago 418 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.519 with a young lady yelling back at this won't God forgive me, and it's 419 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:40.670 like well, you want to respond with yes, he will, but I 420 00:30:40.869 --> 00:30:45.150 sometimes will respond with no, he won't forgive you unless you get yeah, 421 00:30:45.230 --> 00:30:48.069 not with that attitude, unless you repent, and you're not in a position 422 00:30:48.750 --> 00:30:52.900 to repent, you're hardening your heart, you're about to go walk in and 423 00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:56.019 do that. And that was exactly what was going on. I feel very 424 00:30:56.180 --> 00:31:02.859 confident that that's much she is US fishing for a way out. And so 425 00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:07.450 I said, I agree with you. With a CAFFIAT. I think I 426 00:31:07.529 --> 00:31:11.529 use that word with with with with a caveat. I said, what do 427 00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:15.730 you think of Hebrews ten twenty six? And I said, let me find 428 00:31:15.769 --> 00:31:21.920 it and paste it here for you, for if we go on sinning deliberately 429 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.559 after receiving the knowledge of the truth, they're no longer remains a sacrifice for 430 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:32.440 sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of fire that will 431 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:36.430 consume the adversaries. So that's Romans ten, twenty six and twenty seven. 432 00:31:37.349 --> 00:31:44.109 And and then I I kept talking. She was was not texting during that 433 00:31:44.190 --> 00:31:47.740 point. I'm assuming she's letting that verse sink in and I often will pause 434 00:31:47.779 --> 00:31:51.819 after reading that verse. I use this verse a lot. Yeah, and 435 00:31:52.299 --> 00:31:53.900 and I the other verse I use a lot is, if you love me, 436 00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:56.460 you will obey me. And why do you call me Lord Lord and 437 00:31:56.579 --> 00:31:59.900 not do what I say? Yeah, they all are kind of saying the 438 00:31:59.980 --> 00:32:05.849 same thing. But so let that sink in. And then I said if 439 00:32:05.930 --> 00:32:08.849 we know what is right and still continue to do wrong, this versus a 440 00:32:09.009 --> 00:32:14.730 dire warnt warning. True repentance means we turn from wrong. For example, 441 00:32:14.730 --> 00:32:16.759 I think I may have given this example before on our podcast, but it's 442 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:22.599 such a good example, honestly because I've had so many turning points, I 443 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.480 think, in conversations when I share this. Right, yeah, if you 444 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.920 were married and your husband and said, I think our new neighbor is hot, 445 00:32:30.230 --> 00:32:31.470 I'm going to go have sex with her, but I will be right 446 00:32:31.630 --> 00:32:37.390 back because I know you will forgive me. Would that be all right with 447 00:32:37.549 --> 00:32:40.670 you? And she said of course not, of course not. Yeah, 448 00:32:40.789 --> 00:32:45.180 and I said, I know right, but that's what we do to God. 449 00:32:45.579 --> 00:32:47.539 We say I know it is wrong, but I know you will forgive 450 00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:51.819 me, so I will do it anyway. Yeah, and she sent back 451 00:32:51.859 --> 00:32:55.740 a frownie face. Yeah, so you've taken a biblical truth and you've made 452 00:32:55.740 --> 00:33:00.769 it personal for her. That's just like what Nathan the Prophet did with David 453 00:33:00.849 --> 00:33:06.049 and his sin with best she but he gives this example of this man taking 454 00:33:06.089 --> 00:33:09.289 this this other man's lamb for himself the only lamb this poor man, and 455 00:33:09.410 --> 00:33:13.720 David's, of course, outrage, like this guy needs to be brought to 456 00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:17.519 justice. Well, you're that man that came so bringing. Basically, you're 457 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.599 putting God in the position of he just is going to forgive you. What 458 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:24.599 if you're in that position when your husband does this, you're just going to 459 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.309 forgive him? Right, just, okay, he tells you ahead of time, 460 00:33:28.309 --> 00:33:30.029 I'm going to go ahead of this abortion and know her time. Yeah, 461 00:33:30.029 --> 00:33:34.430 because I know you are forgiving God and and of course, that that 462 00:33:34.589 --> 00:33:39.470 doesn't fly right. And and then I then I said that this verse, 463 00:33:39.589 --> 00:33:45.259 if you can be a great encouragement, though, if you couple it with 464 00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:52.180 the truth of Romans ten nine, I think it's Romans ten. Yeah, 465 00:33:52.180 --> 00:33:54.579 Romans ten nine to ten, which one of my favorite verses, and that's 466 00:33:54.730 --> 00:34:00.289 the the crux of my my gospel, sharing his Romans ten nine. If 467 00:34:00.690 --> 00:34:05.289 we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that 468 00:34:05.410 --> 00:34:07.329 God raised him from the dead, then we will be saved. So I 469 00:34:07.489 --> 00:34:10.639 recited that. I texted that to her and and she said, I'm familiar 470 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.119 with that verse, which makes it even better. Great, yeah, and 471 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.920 and I said so the in my estimation, the most important phrase in that 472 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:27.750 verse is Jesus is Lord. And what does that mean? And if if 473 00:34:27.909 --> 00:34:31.590 he is Lord, then whatever is Lord of your life is what controls you. 474 00:34:31.949 --> 00:34:36.750 That's what you'll do, that's what you'll obey, you'll follow whoever is 475 00:34:36.829 --> 00:34:40.059 lord of your life. And she said yes, and then I said so 476 00:34:40.219 --> 00:34:44.820 a lot of people claim Jesus is Lord, but then they disobey him. 477 00:34:45.059 --> 00:34:47.539 They live lives of sexual sin, which I know she's been in. I'd 478 00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:53.329 said that purposefully because I wanted to point that out, lying, cussing, 479 00:34:53.449 --> 00:34:57.730 taking his name in vain, etc. And they say they love him. 480 00:34:58.130 --> 00:35:04.010 Do they really love him if he's Lord and they're not living like he is 481 00:35:04.289 --> 00:35:07.519 Lord? Is He? And she agreed. Now, yeah, and then 482 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:15.840 after that discussion I said, let me go all the way back to the 483 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.719 beginning. At the very beginning I had asked her which she accept a mentor 484 00:35:21.469 --> 00:35:25.230 which would help her through our organization of Sister Organization and Sister Ministry Love Life 485 00:35:25.230 --> 00:35:30.110 Charlotte, and which she agree to have an ultrasound to see her baby, 486 00:35:30.150 --> 00:35:32.829 because I knew she didn't want to see her baby right yeah, because she's 487 00:35:32.909 --> 00:35:37.420 still not doesn't know what she's going to do with this baby. So, 488 00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:44.619 after this whole discussion, and and and also the reminder our faith is not 489 00:35:44.900 --> 00:35:49.739 tested by when times are good or choices are easy. Our faith, our 490 00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:52.050 proof that Jesus is Lord of our lives, is really in the hard times. 491 00:35:52.329 --> 00:35:58.090 Yeah, the the hard choices, the choices that seem impossible. When 492 00:35:58.130 --> 00:36:01.889 we follow him, then that's how we grow in spiritual strength, and when 493 00:36:01.889 --> 00:36:07.400 we lose ourself in him, that's when we truly find ourself and ultimately find 494 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.519 true self love. Yeah, and so and self worth. Then I said, 495 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.360 so, will you go for an ultrasound to see your baby Friday? 496 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:22.630 And she said yes, yeah, so there was this this whole evolution from, 497 00:36:22.750 --> 00:36:27.710 you know, being a very shaky saved saying yes, and she did. 498 00:36:28.070 --> 00:36:32.179 She did sign up for the mentor so she was brought ultimately to the 499 00:36:32.579 --> 00:36:38.539 only really hope that there was, no matter what situation she faces, which 500 00:36:38.659 --> 00:36:44.579 is God. Yeah, yeah, and trusting and obeying, if she's claiming 501 00:36:44.659 --> 00:36:49.570 him as Lord. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and again, bringing the 502 00:36:49.690 --> 00:36:53.170 Lord into the equation, bringing his truth to bear in her heart and her 503 00:36:53.250 --> 00:36:59.849 mind. Don't, don't, ever, let guys who are listening anyone fool 504 00:36:59.929 --> 00:37:05.880 you into believing that God needs to be a side issue in these conversations with 505 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:09.760 women who are abortion minded. That's garbage. It's got to be centric. 506 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:14.840 He's got to be central to the conversation. I'm telling you, he's central 507 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.949 to the conversation these women are having in their mind and in their hearts. 508 00:37:19.349 --> 00:37:22.349 I can tell you that even women who might even claim to be atheists, 509 00:37:23.070 --> 00:37:29.869 they are thinking because God has put his word or his law in their hearts. 510 00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:34.500 They are thinking about the Lord. Yeah, maybe, maybe, not 511 00:37:34.579 --> 00:37:37.179 in the same terms that you and I are, of course, but God 512 00:37:37.300 --> 00:37:42.099 is in the equation. So bringing him to the forefront of their minds, 513 00:37:42.219 --> 00:37:45.250 bringing his word. And again, the Holy Spirit has to lead you. 514 00:37:45.690 --> 00:37:50.730 And there can be sometimes where you deal with these situations with kitty gloves because 515 00:37:50.730 --> 00:37:53.849 again, you're dealing with life and death, but there are situations which you 516 00:37:53.929 --> 00:37:58.599 just need to be forthright and just lay it out. Let the Lord do 517 00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.559 his work. Bring his word. His word doesn't return void. His word 518 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:07.400 is what the Holy Spirit uses primarily to change that heart. Yeah, and 519 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.360 just in this flow of conversation that we get shared with you, this mom's 520 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:16.949 heart was solidified for life and she's getting connected with Bible Preaching, Church and 521 00:38:17.070 --> 00:38:21.630 a mentor that's going to walk alongside her and all that. So we did 522 00:38:21.710 --> 00:38:23.070 want to share this with you, guys, to encourage you, to just 523 00:38:23.230 --> 00:38:25.989 kind of give you an idea of the flow of one of the conversations, 524 00:38:27.139 --> 00:38:31.219 and this, again, is one of among many of conversations. Had the 525 00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:36.659 situation been different, the conversation may have went different in some aspects. Were 526 00:38:36.739 --> 00:38:39.380 for those part bringing God's truth to bear. is going to be in those 527 00:38:39.460 --> 00:38:45.409 conversations, talking about Jesus being Lord, going right for the issues that are 528 00:38:45.449 --> 00:38:49.849 going on in their lives and then their hearts, which is ultimately this connection 529 00:38:49.889 --> 00:38:52.170 from the Lord. Yeah, is is a key and they know they know 530 00:38:52.369 --> 00:38:54.760 it. That's the thing is they know it. And when we try to 531 00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:02.360 walk to gingerly around the topics of sin, repentance and what it truly means 532 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.559 to to follow God and if Jesus is Lord, when we tiptoe around that, 533 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.550 sometimes they I think they that's what they really want. Yeah, because 534 00:39:12.590 --> 00:39:15.670 they know truth. We all know truth deep down inside because, like you 535 00:39:15.710 --> 00:39:19.630 said, God writes it on our hearts. We know it and we know 536 00:39:19.789 --> 00:39:23.579 when we've transgressed his laws. Yeah, and we want to find our way 537 00:39:23.619 --> 00:39:29.619 back and they, most of the women we interact with, have plenty of 538 00:39:29.739 --> 00:39:32.340 people that are helping them justify, oh, yeah, wrong, that they're 539 00:39:32.380 --> 00:39:37.139 about to do and that's not what they need and it's really not even what 540 00:39:37.219 --> 00:39:38.650 they really want to hear, right. I think what they really want to 541 00:39:38.730 --> 00:39:44.929 hear is God's voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 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