Talking to People Who Are Not Abortion Minded

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.440 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord, 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.189 I am you. Welcome to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, and 3 00:00:10.230 --> 00:00:13.230 this episode we're going to talk about how to Minister to people coming to an 4 00:00:13.230 --> 00:00:18.190 abortion center that are not necessarily abortion minded. We know this episode will encourage 5 00:00:18.190 --> 00:00:27.620 and equip you, so stay tuned. Lord, I felt show passish touch 6 00:00:28.059 --> 00:00:38.210 your heart. Use Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We appreciate 7 00:00:38.250 --> 00:00:42.289 you guys listening and, as always, encourage you guys to share this podcast. 8 00:00:42.289 --> 00:00:46.609 It's mainly focused on equipping people and encouraging people who are out on the 9 00:00:46.609 --> 00:00:50.200 sidewalk, but we cover other subjects that don't necessarily have to do with sidewalk 10 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.600 counseling ministry. So I think it'd be a blessing to a lot of people, 11 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.679 but in particular people that are reaching out on the sidewalks of their local 12 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:02.039 abortion center or people that are praying about reaching out at their local abortion center. 13 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:07.469 Want to mention that just this past Saturday will recording on a Monday of 14 00:01:07.670 --> 00:01:10.950 February, the eighth, I think so right, and you guys should hear 15 00:01:11.030 --> 00:01:14.109 this the Thursday. That's how typically works. Record on the Monday and we 16 00:01:14.189 --> 00:01:18.269 put them out on a Thursday morning just past this past Saturday, Februhere, 17 00:01:18.310 --> 00:01:22.340 the sixth, we did an online training. We call all sidewalks one hundred 18 00:01:22.379 --> 00:01:26.459 and one training, which we made available to anybody who heard about it, 19 00:01:26.579 --> 00:01:30.060 which we didn't really invite a lot of people. Wouldn't really share a lot 20 00:01:30.819 --> 00:01:34.129 with a lot of people that we were going to be doing this. We 21 00:01:34.209 --> 00:01:37.969 had a large group of people. You're doing some online training. Maybe you're 22 00:01:38.049 --> 00:01:40.609 interested in that. We were doing again what we call our one hundred and 23 00:01:40.609 --> 00:01:45.370 one training, which is just basic how to of sidewall counting. Actually we 24 00:01:45.569 --> 00:01:49.879 cover the what, why and how of sidewalk out reach ministries, sidewalk counseling, 25 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:53.879 and maybe you're interested in that. Maybe listen to these podcast has got 26 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.439 a new interesting going out and you want to get equipped. We do that 27 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.349 every the first Saturday of every month. We'll be doing that moving forward at 28 00:02:02.069 --> 00:02:07.510 eastern time, two to four and you'd have to fill out an application and 29 00:02:07.750 --> 00:02:10.030 US give you the thumbs up on your application for you to be able to 30 00:02:10.110 --> 00:02:14.430 be on that training and the will send you the link. But if you're 31 00:02:14.469 --> 00:02:19.099 interested in that at all, you can go to love life dot org slash 32 00:02:19.180 --> 00:02:22.860 America, and there's some ways to get involved. You could even reach out 33 00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:23.900 to me if you wanted to, Daniel Love Life Dot Org, and I 34 00:02:23.939 --> 00:02:27.340 can give you the information that you need and get you to the appropriate, 35 00:02:27.539 --> 00:02:30.409 appropriate places to sign up and all of that. But just want to let 36 00:02:30.449 --> 00:02:34.849 you guys know that's available. That's that's what we're trying our best to do 37 00:02:34.969 --> 00:02:38.729 with this podcast. Trying our best to do with Love Life America and all 38 00:02:38.770 --> 00:02:42.930 of that, is to train and equip people to be a gospel centered witness 39 00:02:43.009 --> 00:02:46.280 at their local abortion center. That's what we're trying to do and hopefully that's 40 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:51.199 what this podcast will try to do. It's a little different. Normally we 41 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:53.960 deal with how do you talk to an abortion minded mom at an abortion center? 42 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:58.789 That's that's our folcus. That's our main focus. Yeah, but we 43 00:02:58.949 --> 00:03:01.629 do know well the trouble abortion center that you guys have heard US talk about 44 00:03:01.629 --> 00:03:07.469 a lot is what we would consider an abortion mill. They just do abortions. 45 00:03:07.669 --> 00:03:09.870 That's all they do. That's on their website, that's that's all they're 46 00:03:09.909 --> 00:03:14.659 offering is abortion, and there's a lot of those freestanding abortion clinics around the 47 00:03:14.699 --> 00:03:17.099 country that all they do is abortion, but there are also a lot of 48 00:03:17.180 --> 00:03:21.780 abortion clinics that do other things, and a lot of those abortion clinics are 49 00:03:21.860 --> 00:03:27.569 planned parenthoods. Right, plan parenthoods, even though their bread and butter, 50 00:03:27.770 --> 00:03:30.370 for lack of a better term, is abortion. That's how they make their 51 00:03:30.449 --> 00:03:36.330 money. They do do other things, all for birth control. They do 52 00:03:36.490 --> 00:03:39.969 hormone therapy. We'll talk a little bit about that. They do std testing 53 00:03:40.090 --> 00:03:45.000 and stuff. The stuff they all for, however, though, is is 54 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:49.439 stuff that you can get in other places. So it's not like Plant parenthood 55 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.520 is necessary because they offer these other things. ME. You know, you 56 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.990 hear people saying you have Plant parenthood. They do more than just abortions. 57 00:03:55.030 --> 00:03:59.110 A matter of fact, I think they say statistically, only three percent of 58 00:03:59.189 --> 00:04:02.750 what they do is abortion. Right. So that makes them like mostly good, 59 00:04:03.150 --> 00:04:06.069 right. Height but my response to that, as always, well, 60 00:04:06.270 --> 00:04:10.740 let me cook you a pan of brownies with made with the best chocolate and 61 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:14.340 just put three percent dog poop there. Would you still eat the brownies? 62 00:04:14.659 --> 00:04:16.819 Would you still encourage your friends eat the brown yeah, probably not, right, 63 00:04:17.019 --> 00:04:19.779 like to say. And Hitler was a great guy, except for that 64 00:04:19.980 --> 00:04:24.329 thing about the Jews. Yeah, just, yeah, you know, he 65 00:04:24.529 --> 00:04:27.170 was he was mostly just trying to do the best things for his country and 66 00:04:27.209 --> 00:04:30.329 only three percent of what he did was killed Jews and gas chambers. Right. 67 00:04:30.370 --> 00:04:32.970 Yeah, it's ridiculous and put a whole lot of time. Yeah, 68 00:04:33.529 --> 00:04:39.439 that. Yeah, or like maybe, are mostly peaceful protests that we've had 69 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.800 around the country, right, burn and loot and riot. Yeah, they're 70 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:47.160 mostly peaceful. Only three percent of it Zim bashing storefronts in with bricks and 71 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:55.269 things like that. The the bad far overcomes the the whatever a parent good 72 00:04:55.389 --> 00:04:59.430 that might be. When it's that bad, for sure, absolutely. Yeah. 73 00:04:59.790 --> 00:05:05.269 So not to rabbit trill on that. Let's jump in to what we're 74 00:05:05.269 --> 00:05:11.060 talking about again. We're talking about you're at a plant parenthood, at an 75 00:05:11.100 --> 00:05:15.220 abortion center. You want to reach the moms going in that are having abortions, 76 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:18.019 right, but there's other people. If people coming in. There's a 77 00:05:18.500 --> 00:05:23.610 lady walking in says I'm here for birth control, yeah, or there's a 78 00:05:23.649 --> 00:05:28.810 person walking in saying I'm here for STD testing, I'm here for an ultrasound 79 00:05:28.810 --> 00:05:30.689 because they do it cheaper here than anywhere else. Yeah, how do you 80 00:05:30.810 --> 00:05:34.250 respond to that? So we're going to touch a couple of those subjects and 81 00:05:34.410 --> 00:05:40.920 just talk or talk about how we respond in the best ways to minister to 82 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:44.199 people in that capacity. Yeah, right, so so, yeah, yeah, 83 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.360 the main groups, and we know this because we're ministring at a plant 84 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:53.870 parenthood now with there are four abortion centers in our city and we are at 85 00:05:53.870 --> 00:05:56.790 all of them in one of those is a plan parenthood. Yeah, and 86 00:05:57.230 --> 00:06:00.629 so there are lots of different groups going in and so the main groups. 87 00:06:00.670 --> 00:06:05.420 We tried to kind of just break it down so that as we talk about 88 00:06:05.420 --> 00:06:08.779 it, you can think about, okay, these are the main groups. 89 00:06:08.860 --> 00:06:13.300 How can we reach them, or at least be somewhat knowledgeable, yeah, 90 00:06:13.339 --> 00:06:17.300 about each of those groups so that we can speak to them. And all 91 00:06:17.379 --> 00:06:21.889 of these groups need the Lord. And most of these groups are people that 92 00:06:21.930 --> 00:06:26.889 are going to be abortion vulnerable. Yeah, if they are not, they're 93 00:06:26.889 --> 00:06:31.769 already abortion vulnerable. So if we can speak, not knowledgeably, to them, 94 00:06:31.810 --> 00:06:35.839 we might be able to stop abortion before exever. You know, been 95 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:40.279 con one of the things that Plant parenthood does is they try to get in 96 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:45.279 communities and they offer things, you know, like sex education, right, 97 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.870 which, yeah, ridiculous, getting sex education from an abortion providers ridiculous. 98 00:06:49.910 --> 00:06:55.350 Yeah, but they try to sow their seeds into the community so that when 99 00:06:55.350 --> 00:06:59.269 a woman does get in a quote, unwanted pregnancy situation, where does she 100 00:06:59.350 --> 00:07:01.740 go? She goes to plan parenthood, exactly. So we always, in 101 00:07:01.939 --> 00:07:05.579 any of these situations, wanted to deter people from going into Plant parenthood. 102 00:07:05.660 --> 00:07:10.819 Right. They're trying to build relationships with people and one of the things we've 103 00:07:10.819 --> 00:07:14.819 discovered locally, just to mention this, because there's this idea that plan parenthood 104 00:07:14.860 --> 00:07:17.649 is needed because they offer free stuff. Right. We had a lady call 105 00:07:18.089 --> 00:07:21.050 not too long ago the plan parent who here locally, and this has happened 106 00:07:21.050 --> 00:07:25.490 nationally. People have called Plant parenthood and figured out, okay, what do 107 00:07:25.529 --> 00:07:29.370 they offer that's actually free? And almost nothing is free. They're not given 108 00:07:29.449 --> 00:07:33.319 free ultrasounds, right. They're not given free pregnancy testing. Yeah, they're 109 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:40.040 not doing free birth control or free STD testing. None of this stuff is 110 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.639 free, right. Yeah, and so we do wanted to deter people from 111 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.310 going in there who come with these different things. They are not necessarily coming 112 00:07:46.350 --> 00:07:49.230 for an abortion, right. Yes. So we we talked about each of 113 00:07:49.269 --> 00:07:53.670 these areas and just to kind of organize it for you, the the main 114 00:07:53.750 --> 00:07:58.430 areas that that we see at our local plant parenthood and probably a most parenthood, 115 00:07:58.740 --> 00:08:01.740 Plant parenthood, people coming for birth control or problems with birth control. 116 00:08:01.779 --> 00:08:05.620 Yeah, abortion workers. Now, they aren't coming to plant parenthood, but 117 00:08:05.740 --> 00:08:09.459 you see them there. Group that you'll see going in and out. Yeah, 118 00:08:09.180 --> 00:08:13.730 the women coming for low cost pregnancy test or ultrasounds, the women coming 119 00:08:13.810 --> 00:08:18.129 for perhaps mere STD testing or other health issues, not mammograms, because they 120 00:08:18.170 --> 00:08:22.410 don't do mamograms. Don't even there, which people say they do. They 121 00:08:22.490 --> 00:08:24.129 they do not do that. They do not. And then the they dis 122 00:08:24.250 --> 00:08:28.240 group. That I and and that's one that we're going to do a teeny 123 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.440 little case study on, because it really took me kind of by surprise. 124 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.000 I wasn't expecting and I didn't know how to deal with it. Were men 125 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:41.830 coming for hormone therapy for transgender transition? Yeah, and that we kept seeing 126 00:08:41.830 --> 00:08:46.549 these men going in to plan parenthood alone, coming out alone, never apparently 127 00:08:46.590 --> 00:08:50.350 meeting women, and it took us a while to figure out, oh, 128 00:08:50.149 --> 00:08:56.059 they're here for hormone therapy. Yeah, so not that we can our wheelhouse 129 00:08:56.379 --> 00:09:00.820 is the abortion minded women. You'll know how to deal with an abortion minded 130 00:09:00.899 --> 00:09:05.860 women. Woman. That's that's the focus of our ministry. But I think 131 00:09:05.899 --> 00:09:09.820 it is important that we know what to say and do with with with these, 132 00:09:09.169 --> 00:09:13.929 with these other group and, I think, also to we know how 133 00:09:13.970 --> 00:09:18.809 to minister to these groups without letting them be all consuming. Right. So, 134 00:09:18.929 --> 00:09:22.250 that right. Just one thing you need to be aware of is that 135 00:09:22.370 --> 00:09:26.519 the enemy of the best is always the good. So is it good to 136 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.639 minister to someone who thinks that they're a woman when they're really a man? 137 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.000 Yeah, it's good to Minister the truth of them. It's good to show 138 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.149 them the truth of God's Word and minister the love of Jesus to them. 139 00:09:39.230 --> 00:09:43.750 But what's the best? Well, if someone's walking past them that's there to 140 00:09:43.750 --> 00:09:48.549 kill their child, continuing in a lengthy conversation with them and neglecting to give 141 00:09:48.549 --> 00:09:52.899 a voice of that baby, you'd be you'd be sacrificing the good for the 142 00:09:52.980 --> 00:09:54.100 best, I believe, in that situation. So we're going to be talking 143 00:09:54.100 --> 00:09:58.419 a little bit about how you can answer these situations, but also to keep 144 00:09:58.460 --> 00:10:01.340 your focus on why you're actually there. Yeah, and your focus is always 145 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:05.139 the abortion minded women. So so we had a case last week at plan 146 00:10:05.259 --> 00:10:09.250 parenthood of a young lady that it I won't make this too lengthy, but 147 00:10:09.769 --> 00:10:16.730 we found out that she was there for an IUD removal. I actually didn't 148 00:10:16.769 --> 00:10:20.330 Know Plan Parent parenthood did that, so it's interesting to know that they did. 149 00:10:20.409 --> 00:10:24.559 They will remove the IUD, but we called out to the women not 150 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:30.840 knowing that, and that's always our strategy. So with all these groups we 151 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:35.350 would start off calling out if you're here for an abortion. Yeah, maybe 152 00:10:35.389 --> 00:10:39.230 you have a friend that you could talk to this about, but we are 153 00:10:39.350 --> 00:10:41.990 here to offer you hope and help. So we always start that way and 154 00:10:43.669 --> 00:10:46.389 oftentimes they'll tell us I'm not here for an abortion. Sometimes we discovered that 155 00:10:46.470 --> 00:10:50.299 that was a lie, but sometimes we discover it was the truth, and 156 00:10:50.379 --> 00:10:54.019 that was the case with this young lady last week. She was not there 157 00:10:54.059 --> 00:10:58.100 for an abortion. She did tell us she was having birth control removed. 158 00:10:58.139 --> 00:11:03.620 I kind of forgot that because so many people go in and out and we're 159 00:11:03.620 --> 00:11:05.570 calling out to so many people. So she was in there for a while 160 00:11:05.610 --> 00:11:09.490 and then I saw this woman come out. It was her, but I 161 00:11:09.610 --> 00:11:13.049 had forgotten the discussion I'd had with her car side and she's weeping and I 162 00:11:13.169 --> 00:11:18.399 just kept calling out, saying you're obviously upset. I know whatever you face, 163 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.840 we can help you, and she finally came over to me just bawling, 164 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.000 trying her eyes hat and the first thing I did actually, even in 165 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:31.159 the COVID era, I probably shouldn't have, but was hugged her because this 166 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.029 was a young lady, you know what, probably just out of team hood 167 00:11:35.470 --> 00:11:39.830 and just so upset. And she's crying and said they and she's, by 168 00:11:39.870 --> 00:11:41.789 the way, it was frigid out, twenty degrees, and she's wearing a 169 00:11:41.830 --> 00:11:46.870 t shirt and flip flops with no socks, socks, no winner coat, 170 00:11:46.950 --> 00:11:52.860 nothing. And and she said she was late for her appointment for the I 171 00:11:52.100 --> 00:11:56.179 you D to be removed and and they wouldn't do it because she was late. 172 00:11:56.460 --> 00:12:01.220 Well, and so she standing in the cold, frigid. Obviously doesn't 173 00:12:01.259 --> 00:12:05.330 own winter closed. Obviously Poor Plant parenthood care no matter what, unless you're 174 00:12:05.889 --> 00:12:09.289 late for your appointment. Yeah, well, that was the irony too, 175 00:12:09.409 --> 00:12:13.250 is we had just right before we saw that one, when we were commenting, 176 00:12:13.409 --> 00:12:16.440 my counselor friend and I about the plan parenthood sign that says plan parenthood 177 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.840 cares no matter what. I took a picture of it and I said really, 178 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.879 well, no matter, I guess if you're late for your appointment, 179 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:30.990 then they no longer care. So that no matter what was probably a little 180 00:12:30.990 --> 00:12:35.070 bit of an exaggeration, I'm plan hood's part. But anyway, we said 181 00:12:35.990 --> 00:12:39.429 fortunately, I was standing there with with a fellow my fellow councilor is a 182 00:12:39.509 --> 00:12:45.139 doctor, and she said the woman said, I'm having pain, I'm in 183 00:12:45.299 --> 00:12:46.980 pain. So not only was she laid for the appointment, she told them 184 00:12:48.019 --> 00:12:52.100 she's in pain and it sounds like it was the IED. And and so 185 00:12:54.500 --> 00:12:58.610 some principles kind of in dealing with her was first of all, find out 186 00:12:58.610 --> 00:13:01.090 the problem. We found out the problem. She's in pain. Yeah, 187 00:13:01.090 --> 00:13:05.970 possibly emergency pain. And our doctor friend said, well, you need to 188 00:13:07.049 --> 00:13:11.049 get to the ER, which is literally five minutes away, and and then 189 00:13:11.289 --> 00:13:16.360 that the doctor drove her there. Yeah, actually took her to the ear 190 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:22.840 but so and then we even gave her a wet shirt. Just said keep 191 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:30.070 it for this poor poor woman. But we know now they're going to be 192 00:13:30.230 --> 00:13:33.990 women who are getting birth control. We know that. We knew people come 193 00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:39.590 to get get birth control and but there's also people having an iud either. 194 00:13:39.830 --> 00:13:43.659 I don't know if they put in iiu D's. My guesses they do, 195 00:13:43.940 --> 00:13:46.899 but they certainly remove the IUD's, but they just wouldn't for this one. 196 00:13:48.220 --> 00:13:50.820 Yeah, so they're kind of some principles we can think about in in dealing 197 00:13:50.980 --> 00:13:54.179 with that. Again, we don't want to spend a lot of time, 198 00:13:54.379 --> 00:13:58.649 but the one of the things that did occur to me right away was this 199 00:13:58.850 --> 00:14:03.409 young lady, young unmarried, on birth control. Well, she's clearing new 200 00:14:03.730 --> 00:14:09.210 not following God in terms of sexual purity. So having that Gospel discussion is 201 00:14:09.250 --> 00:14:11.320 always important. Yeah, absolutely, and this is got to be done, 202 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:15.440 you know, forthright, but a gracious way. Right, is coming to 203 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:16.720 CASS as condemn me. Well, yeah, should we have a birth control 204 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.080 because you're a fornicator? Yeah, right, there's a nice way to say 205 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.870 that. Yeah, we need to bring God's truth into the equation. God's 206 00:14:24.950 --> 00:14:30.110 truth is best always, no matter what modern society says. And so yeah, 207 00:14:30.190 --> 00:14:33.590 talking about that, and of course I believe this is more appropriately a 208 00:14:33.830 --> 00:14:37.149 woman to woman discussion. Yeah, although as a man, as a pastor, 209 00:14:37.269 --> 00:14:39.740 I can certainly address things in that level. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 210 00:14:39.740 --> 00:14:43.179 you got to address that issue. Yeah, sure. Well, and 211 00:14:43.259 --> 00:14:46.580 when she when someone is broken, we never want to heap sorrow Pon sorrow. 212 00:14:46.659 --> 00:14:50.700 You have said that. I think that that's really, really good advice. 213 00:14:50.139 --> 00:14:54.090 But the the flip side of that is when someone is broken. They 214 00:14:54.169 --> 00:14:58.490 know they're broken, they know that they are in a terrible mess and their 215 00:14:58.570 --> 00:15:03.570 receptive, hey, how do I not get in this mess again? And 216 00:15:03.730 --> 00:15:05.730 that was where we were able to start with her shore and we gave her 217 00:15:07.090 --> 00:15:09.440 a sweatshirt and a ride to the hospital. So she was open to hearing 218 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:15.159 what these kind people had to say about God. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 219 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.639 Yeah, but there are other you know, there certainly are other things 220 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:24.629 that we offered her and that we could offer to anyone in those situations. 221 00:15:24.750 --> 00:15:30.909 So, first of all, letting them know that birth control that is given 222 00:15:30.950 --> 00:15:35.899 by plan parenthood is can often cause abortions. Yeah, and many people don't 223 00:15:35.899 --> 00:15:41.860 know that. Yeah. So educating the people coming in, because some of 224 00:15:41.899 --> 00:15:43.659 them, as they're walking in, that's all they're there for. They're just 225 00:15:43.820 --> 00:15:48.419 there for birth control, and that's one of the things you can call out. 226 00:15:48.460 --> 00:15:52.049 Did you know that this place does abortions? They almost always say yes, 227 00:15:52.090 --> 00:15:56.690 let me and then. So something else that you can offer is community 228 00:15:56.809 --> 00:16:02.330 health centers, yeah, that do that service, you know, less expensively. 229 00:16:02.370 --> 00:16:04.600 Yeah, and you know, I will mention if I'm at a plan 230 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:10.000 parenthood I'm having a conversation with a mom or dad going in and they'll say, 231 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:11.200 often times, well, I'm not here for that, right. You 232 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.480 know they want to distance themselves from abortion. Yeah, they do, and 233 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.590 they're all ask them. Yeah, if I can pick upon that, I'll 234 00:16:18.590 --> 00:16:19.830 ask them. So, so, what do you think about the fact that 235 00:16:19.909 --> 00:16:23.669 plan parenthood does abortions? And often times they'll say, well, I don't 236 00:16:23.669 --> 00:16:27.190 like it, and I will actually give them the analogy that I just gave 237 00:16:27.230 --> 00:16:30.470 you guys at the very beginning. Yeah, I'll say, well, what 238 00:16:30.590 --> 00:16:33.100 if I offered you a pan of brownies? It? You know, I 239 00:16:33.220 --> 00:16:36.899 just cooked real nice and use the best chocolate I could, but I missed 240 00:16:37.019 --> 00:16:38.059 mix a little bit of dog poop in it. Would you eat them? 241 00:16:38.220 --> 00:16:41.740 Yeah, and of course they're going to say no way. I say that's 242 00:16:41.779 --> 00:16:45.980 plan parenthood. It's up, it's even worse. Yeah, they're doing other 243 00:16:45.179 --> 00:16:49.210 things for you at a low cause, but they're killing babies inside of that 244 00:16:49.330 --> 00:16:52.929 place. Yeah, you don't really want to have any association with that, 245 00:16:52.129 --> 00:16:57.289 do you? And then I will point them to a pregnancy center that can 246 00:16:57.529 --> 00:17:02.440 often times do everything that plant parenthood is offering, except for a whole lot 247 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.200 cheaper. Right, and the question might be, well, why didn't they 248 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.279 get there in the first place. Well, a lot of times because they 249 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.359 don't hear about its. Pregnancy centers have a hard time competing. I mean 250 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:17.990 pregnancy centers are nonprofit, locally supported organizations normally. Yeah, and thank God, 251 00:17:18.230 --> 00:17:21.349 you know, for the fact that churches and individual support them, but 252 00:17:21.509 --> 00:17:26.430 for them to bring in enough money to compete with plant parenthood in the Google 253 00:17:26.589 --> 00:17:30.500 space is like almost impossible, right, because plan parenthood is porn you know, 254 00:17:30.619 --> 00:17:36.220 I don't know, probably naturally millions of dollars into Google, maybe even 255 00:17:36.220 --> 00:17:40.420 every month. Yeah, to get those words that like free pregnancy tests and 256 00:17:40.420 --> 00:17:45.009 ultrasound of that stuff, to get those key words, as for their links 257 00:17:45.089 --> 00:17:47.890 to pop up when people search the key words. Yeah, so all these 258 00:17:47.930 --> 00:17:51.569 women don't know about the pregnancy sent they don't. And now the the pregnancy 259 00:17:51.650 --> 00:17:55.930 centers. Many of them are Christian and many of them do not provide birth 260 00:17:56.009 --> 00:18:00.160 control, counseling there or birth control. Yeah, so that's why it's so 261 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.079 good to have as big a list as you can have of low cost community 262 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:10.200 centers, because they will provide birth control. And we could do, we 263 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:14.549 probably should do at some point a you know, a podcast about birth control. 264 00:18:14.670 --> 00:18:18.069 There are so many different feelings about it. For sure, we would 265 00:18:18.069 --> 00:18:22.869 not support the the pill because it can cause abortion, or the iud both 266 00:18:22.950 --> 00:18:26.980 of those can. But but there are other forms of birth control and and 267 00:18:27.140 --> 00:18:33.660 there are community resource centers that that will provide that, other community health centers, 268 00:18:33.700 --> 00:18:38.700 yeah, that that will provide that. So so knowing, knowing those 269 00:18:38.900 --> 00:18:45.210 and offering those is a way to deal with these women that are going in. 270 00:18:45.369 --> 00:18:48.690 And your point that I love telling them the story that you tell them 271 00:18:48.690 --> 00:18:53.250 because it makes it real. Yeah, but also almost all of them say, 272 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.039 really, there's other places where we could go, and we give out 273 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:03.839 twenty pieces of literature when we're there because they want to know there are other 274 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:08.680 low cost there are people that go to plan parenthood because there's just nothing else, 275 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:14.430 yeah, available for them. So anyway, the second group that we 276 00:19:14.549 --> 00:19:18.109 see out there the abortion workers, and those aren't moms going in and out 277 00:19:18.390 --> 00:19:21.829 or men going in and out, but it's people who work there. Yeah, 278 00:19:21.990 --> 00:19:25.259 and what do we do with them? But can we call out to 279 00:19:25.339 --> 00:19:27.779 them? Yeah, so of course you have that at every abortion center, 280 00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:33.220 not just a plant parent who's you know these we certainly deal with abortion workers 281 00:19:33.259 --> 00:19:37.740 here at the latrobe abortion center and again, they're not a priority for us. 282 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:41.529 It's not that God doesn't love them equally. He loves them just like 283 00:19:41.650 --> 00:19:45.529 he loves the MOM's going in. Yeah, but for the MOMS and the 284 00:19:45.569 --> 00:19:48.769 babies that they carry, it's like one emergency, like there's a sense of 285 00:19:48.849 --> 00:19:53.039 urgency. Yeah, certainly for these abortion workers there's this, least in some 286 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.839 measure, a sense of urgency that they need to get out of this industry 287 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.359 or there they become more and more engulfed in this spirit of death. But 288 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.440 some of the things, of course, we'll call it to them, is 289 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.990 always will say God's made you for so much more than this. That's a 290 00:20:07.029 --> 00:20:08.950 good line. That's one of the things that I will say. God has 291 00:20:10.029 --> 00:20:12.430 given you the skills as a nurse. I'll say this to the doctors as 292 00:20:12.470 --> 00:20:18.150 well. God has given you the skills as a doctor, and now you're 293 00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:22.500 using those those skills to destroy life rather than to protect life. God has 294 00:20:22.619 --> 00:20:25.539 so much more for you than this. Yeah, and then, of course 295 00:20:25.579 --> 00:20:30.339 you want to sting their conscience and not back away from the fact that abortion 296 00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:33.660 is murdered. And so I will warn them, you know, if you 297 00:20:33.819 --> 00:20:36.769 take part in the shedding of innocent blood, the Bible says that you will 298 00:20:36.769 --> 00:20:41.289 reput you so and just call them to repent style taking part and what's going 299 00:20:41.369 --> 00:20:45.369 on inside of there. Yeah, yeah, and then as a resource we 300 00:20:45.490 --> 00:20:52.240 will point them to abortion and WORKERCOM. We don't have the manpower and really 301 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:56.440 the the the calling in the focus to be able to get them a job 302 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:00.920 and we have helped some local abortion workers get better jobs and things like that. 303 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.869 We've seen, what is it, twenty six over the past two years 304 00:21:03.910 --> 00:21:08.190 or so as love life. I think locally we've seen eighteen to maybe twenty. 305 00:21:08.269 --> 00:21:11.309 Yeah, those are the ones that contact us. Yeah, I mean 306 00:21:11.349 --> 00:21:14.750 there's plenty that have left. We're sure that haven't contacted. Yes, yeah, 307 00:21:15.190 --> 00:21:18.069 yeah, actually, our friends with one of the ladies that used to 308 00:21:18.430 --> 00:21:22.940 run the front desk and she's started a catering business and yeah, has cater 309 00:21:22.099 --> 00:21:26.259 sir. Yeah, okate, he's catered some of our meetings right's been really 310 00:21:26.299 --> 00:21:30.700 cool. But we want to point them toward, if we can get them, 311 00:21:30.779 --> 00:21:33.849 local resources, but if we can't, we point them to abortion workercom, 312 00:21:34.009 --> 00:21:37.849 who has a programmed to get these folks, mostly women, out of 313 00:21:37.930 --> 00:21:41.970 the abortion industry. Right, and so we call that out. We have 314 00:21:41.250 --> 00:21:45.329 actually little business cards. It's a abortion workercom on them, hand them to 315 00:21:45.369 --> 00:21:48.480 them if we're able to do that, and that's kind of how we do 316 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.799 with that. Yeah, we've had abortion workers leave on it's not common, 317 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.039 but the leave and come to us in tier saying I have to leave this 318 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.470 place and we'll hand them the card. And that's happy Johnson's Ministry of former 319 00:22:00.549 --> 00:22:04.269 planned parenthood manager, and it is a it. They know what they're doing 320 00:22:04.470 --> 00:22:10.069 with the abortion workers. So we we kind of touched on the this a 321 00:22:10.069 --> 00:22:12.269 little bit. Women coming for low cost pregnancy test or I'll sounds. I 322 00:22:12.349 --> 00:22:18.140 do want to point out. And then what you talked about with the pregnancy 323 00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:21.500 resource centers. Yeah, that's the perfect resource to point them too. Yeah, 324 00:22:21.859 --> 00:22:25.500 and they're often they're they're lower on the list. If you Google the 325 00:22:25.660 --> 00:22:27.819 first time kid is going to be plan parenthood or an abortion center. And 326 00:22:27.980 --> 00:22:32.650 I know for a fact, because I've talked with the women at coming out 327 00:22:32.690 --> 00:22:38.250 of the LATROBA abortion center, that they are lured in there by free pregnancy 328 00:22:38.369 --> 00:22:42.809 test and what they've told me is that, yes, the pregnancy test is 329 00:22:44.049 --> 00:22:47.839 free, but if you want the results you have to pay fifteen dollars. 330 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.359 Yeah, so, I mean how deceptive is that? And the ultrasounds at 331 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:59.390 now I don't know what what plan parenthood charges, but but at latrobe facility 332 00:22:59.470 --> 00:23:02.829 they say the ultrasounds are free. Yeah, if you get the abortion. 333 00:23:02.869 --> 00:23:06.230 Yeah, but if you don't get the abortion, then you pay a lot 334 00:23:06.269 --> 00:23:10.269 of money for the but they don't tell you that it. But they lure 335 00:23:10.470 --> 00:23:14.819 they lure them in and don't tell them what that what really the bottom line 336 00:23:14.859 --> 00:23:18.579 is this is only if you it's free, only if if you didn't have. 337 00:23:18.700 --> 00:23:22.980 That basically works is when a woman comes into the abortion center, she 338 00:23:23.059 --> 00:23:26.099 checks in, was the first thing they asked for. They want your ID 339 00:23:26.329 --> 00:23:30.609 and your form of payment and they're asking her say, what procedure are you? 340 00:23:32.130 --> 00:23:34.210 How far along are you? And then what procedure are you considering? 341 00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:37.250 If they say something like well, I'm not exactly sure if I want to 342 00:23:37.250 --> 00:23:40.690 get through the abortion or not. I want to get the ultrasound first, 343 00:23:41.289 --> 00:23:42.960 then they'll get them to go ahead and pay a hundred and eighty five dollars 344 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.599 because they have to have blood work and an ultrasu now taken back for the 345 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:49.920 ultrasound. And if they are saying, well, I'm not sure I want 346 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.359 to do this, then they say well, you've already paid one hundred and 347 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.670 eighty five dollars and we can't refund that. So all you have to pay 348 00:23:56.829 --> 00:24:02.829 is another two hundred and fifteen dollars, three hundred whatever dollars, and we 349 00:24:02.869 --> 00:24:06.029 can go and take care of this. They get that hook in them. 350 00:24:06.069 --> 00:24:11.660 Yeah, and they because they're a business that makes money off of killing children, 351 00:24:11.180 --> 00:24:15.140 they convince women who are not completely sure that they want to have an 352 00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:18.339 abortion. This notion that people come to an abortion center and they already have 353 00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:22.420 their minds made up is such a false notion, it is so untrue. 354 00:24:22.539 --> 00:24:25.529 Yeah, and and so again they try to get their hook in them. 355 00:24:25.569 --> 00:24:30.250 They bring them in with this free or low cost ultrasound. In comparison it 356 00:24:30.329 --> 00:24:33.769 is pretty low cast a hundred eighty five dollars is pretty cheap compared to go 357 00:24:33.849 --> 00:24:37.089 into an Obie doctor where it's like, I don't know, three four hundred 358 00:24:37.089 --> 00:24:41.319 dollars. Yeah, but there's free ones through us at are at our mobile 359 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:47.839 ultrasound unit, or through local pregnancy research centers. The the pregnancy test and 360 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:52.069 the ultrasound is free, and it astonishes me that so many women don't know 361 00:24:52.230 --> 00:24:57.390 that, but they don't. So offering that in it again if they're there, 362 00:24:57.950 --> 00:25:03.230 if they're low income, unmarried, which many of them are, and 363 00:25:03.269 --> 00:25:08.140 they're coming for low cost pregnancy tester and ultrasound, their abortion vulner yeah, 364 00:25:08.420 --> 00:25:11.579 that, no matter where you are, they are abortion vulnerable. Yeah, 365 00:25:11.740 --> 00:25:18.940 and so sharing the Gospel again, always, always, something that even even 366 00:25:18.019 --> 00:25:22.289 these people that aren't there for an abortion now, will always give them the 367 00:25:22.369 --> 00:25:30.009 literature and the way that we kind of gently suggest that they take that literature 368 00:25:30.049 --> 00:25:33.049 is maybe you have a friend, or you will have a friend one day 369 00:25:33.529 --> 00:25:37.880 who is considering abortion and it would just be good our name and numbers on 370 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.599 this and you've got the information. Yeah. So we deal with them actually 371 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.039 not all that differently from the women coming in for an abortion. We still 372 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:51.150 get them information, we still try to share sexual purity message in the Gospel 373 00:25:51.710 --> 00:25:56.069 and then we point them to local resources that don't kill babies. Yeah, 374 00:25:56.509 --> 00:25:59.069 that's why it's good to have like we have on our brochures, on the 375 00:25:59.150 --> 00:26:03.109 back of our brochure, a list of local pregnancy centers. Yeah, if 376 00:26:03.150 --> 00:26:07.099 you don't have that and you've got some literature that you hand out, then 377 00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:11.140 make a list of local pregnancy centers. Yeah, doom on, you know, 378 00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:15.579 just regular old paper printed out on your printer if you have to slip 379 00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:18.930 it in your literature. Yeah, makeup stickers. I mean there's so many 380 00:26:19.049 --> 00:26:23.569 things out there vista print. You can print stuff really cheap on vista print. 381 00:26:25.130 --> 00:26:27.130 Make up something that looks good as a sticker. Stick it on the 382 00:26:27.170 --> 00:26:33.359 back of your literature. Make up something the card or something. Yeah, 383 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.759 I can hand them to I know. I would suggest actually, if there's 384 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.720 a pregnancy center not far from the plant painter to where you're reaching out at, 385 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.000 just make up a car, as will actually Elijah has at the window 386 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:49.150 abortion center, because the mobile unit the window over clinic is not far from 387 00:26:49.150 --> 00:26:52.150 the latrobe clinic and we have the mobile unit the latrobe clinic. Right. 388 00:26:52.190 --> 00:26:56.309 He just made up a car that has a map that shows them how to 389 00:26:56.390 --> 00:26:59.990 get here, with directions on the bottom, you know, written out directions, 390 00:27:00.029 --> 00:27:02.420 but also a map that shows them how to get here to the mobile 391 00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:04.660 unit, not to abortion clinic, but to the mobile unit. English on 392 00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:08.019 one side, Spanish on the other side. Hey, there's a mobile unit 393 00:27:08.420 --> 00:27:11.859 that will give you a free ultrasound pregnancy test five minute. Five minutes away 394 00:27:11.859 --> 00:27:15.609 from here, however, for it is away for you guys, and hand 395 00:27:15.650 --> 00:27:18.769 it to them. Yeah, and turn them away from, yeah, from 396 00:27:18.849 --> 00:27:22.130 that place. Yeah, and another piece of good practical advices. If you've 397 00:27:22.130 --> 00:27:26.329 got someone who is there for an ultrasound and they tell you they're there, 398 00:27:26.410 --> 00:27:32.799 they're only for an ultrasound, then to offered to call while they're standing in 399 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.799 front of you, call a pregnancy resource center, because then then you keep 400 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.000 the more you can keep them from going in that place that also does abortions, 401 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.549 the better off for the baby and for that woman. Yeah. So, 402 00:27:45.789 --> 00:27:48.069 and if you call a pregnancy resource center and say I am standing in 403 00:27:48.309 --> 00:27:52.869 front of an abortion center, you've just cued them in. This is someone 404 00:27:52.869 --> 00:27:57.109 who is abortion vulnerable and and they will often move mountains to get them in 405 00:27:57.150 --> 00:28:00.660 there quickly. Yeah, so whos? I think is a point that needs 406 00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:04.339 to be made, also, as kind of a side note, that building, 407 00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:07.579 if you're going to be out an abortion center, building a good relationship 408 00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:11.859 with your local pregnancy center is really important. Yeah, we can probably do 409 00:28:12.170 --> 00:28:17.849 a pot podcast about pregnancy centers and some of the differences, because there certainly 410 00:28:17.890 --> 00:28:21.410 are some differences depending on the pregnancy center. And we did a podcast, 411 00:28:21.450 --> 00:28:25.130 or I did a podcast interview with Tara Quinn right who's with help pregnancy center 412 00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:29.480 that we partner with here locally, who's just awesome. They're very unusual. 413 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.960 Yeah, they are very unusual in the pregnancy center world in that they're a 414 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.480 little more fourth right about abortion being murder, but they do it in a 415 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.029 gracious way, more a little more forth right with the Gospel. Yeah, 416 00:28:41.869 --> 00:28:45.349 then some are. Yeah, and so again, we could probably do a 417 00:28:45.390 --> 00:28:48.509 whole podcast about some of the differences and some of the things that you need 418 00:28:48.589 --> 00:28:53.150 to be aware of. But still yet building that relationship with your local pregnancy 419 00:28:53.190 --> 00:28:56.460 center is important. And let's say, because I've heard from a lot of 420 00:28:56.500 --> 00:29:00.500 people, well, they don't share the Gospel or they whatever, whatever. 421 00:29:02.059 --> 00:29:04.700 Well, if they don't share the Gospel, you don't do ultrasounds, right, 422 00:29:06.099 --> 00:29:07.779 right, you know? Yeah, yeah, well, you share the 423 00:29:07.819 --> 00:29:11.250 Gospel. Yeah, if you'RE gonna point a woman in that direction, then 424 00:29:11.450 --> 00:29:14.849 get her phone number, get her contact info right, follow up with her. 425 00:29:14.890 --> 00:29:18.250 You share the Gospel then. Yeah, and let them do the ultrasound. 426 00:29:18.289 --> 00:29:21.049 Let them do the ultrasound stuff, the medical stuff. Yeah, and 427 00:29:21.170 --> 00:29:22.890 you do the follow up as far as discipleship and that sort of thing. 428 00:29:23.250 --> 00:29:26.519 Yeah, and you know they're not going into a place that it's going to 429 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.519 be talking them into an abortion. See you have time. You Time to 430 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.960 share the Gospel. Absolutely after they're done with the ultrasound. You may not 431 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.519 have that if they walk into the plan parenthood or into any abortion center, 432 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:41.029 because they may be talked into immediately. Yeah, can absolutely, and having 433 00:29:41.029 --> 00:29:45.630 a good relationship with your pregnancy center, even in spite of differences, can 434 00:29:45.750 --> 00:29:48.509 really go a long way so that when you're out there standing in front of 435 00:29:48.509 --> 00:29:52.380 the plan parenthood and you've got a young lady who's abortion minded, who's considering 436 00:29:52.460 --> 00:29:56.220 going to that place, if you can call ahead, like you mentioned, 437 00:29:56.420 --> 00:30:00.339 yeah, it goes a long way to just kind of that handoff process let 438 00:30:00.339 --> 00:30:06.059 her know they're waiting on you. You know they're expecting you. Some pregnancy 439 00:30:06.099 --> 00:30:11.009 centers a little weird where they might want to talk to her before they set 440 00:30:11.049 --> 00:30:15.089 any kind of appointment. Just fine, maybe you can hand the phone to 441 00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:18.170 her or whatever, but calling ahead is helpful and it does help if you 442 00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:22.119 have a relationship. You know, we've got kind of an end with all 443 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.200 the pregnancy centers around here. We know the directors and stuff. We can 444 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.039 get on the phone with them directly yes, say we've got somebody coming. 445 00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.279 Can you make room. Yeah, and so again that goes a long way. 446 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:37.910 That relationship does absolutely and that's really, really an important resource. So 447 00:30:37.109 --> 00:30:41.549 women coming for PAP SMEARS, STD testing or other health issues. We've talked 448 00:30:41.549 --> 00:30:45.029 specifically about kind of the birth control issues, but they come for other health 449 00:30:45.069 --> 00:30:49.019 issues as well, and this is women, not men yet. We'll get 450 00:30:49.059 --> 00:30:53.420 to that last. But so again, we use a lot of the same 451 00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:59.059 strategy speaking to them as we've as we've already mentioned. Yeah, and I 452 00:30:59.099 --> 00:31:00.460 don't think there's a whole lot more to say about that one. Yeah, 453 00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:04.250 except you know, there are some pregnancy centers, actually one of the ones 454 00:31:04.250 --> 00:31:10.410 here, actually a couple of the ones here in Charlotte, the prolife pregnancy 455 00:31:10.450 --> 00:31:12.730 centers, do std testing and stuff like that. Okay, that's good to 456 00:31:12.809 --> 00:31:15.890 know. So that's good to know. It's good to know if you have 457 00:31:15.930 --> 00:31:18.680 a good relationship with your pregnancy center, you know the stuff that they offer 458 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.559 and you can point these women in the right direction. But many of the 459 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.440 pregnancy centers won't do like a PAP smear and stuff like that. But there 460 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:30.000 are places that will. Their community centers that I mean, they're not Gospel 461 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.759 centered, they're just government entity. Some of them. Some of them are, 462 00:31:33.150 --> 00:31:37.309 you know, nonprofits or whatever, but they're far better than plan parenthood 463 00:31:37.470 --> 00:31:40.990 exactly. They're not doing abortions. Yeah, that's the critical, key point. 464 00:31:41.109 --> 00:31:44.710 It's I can get them someplace that doesn't do abortions, you've got a 465 00:31:44.829 --> 00:31:49.420 shot at continuing to disciple her and have that baby continued to be safe if 466 00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:52.700 she's pregnant. And I would say if you're seeing patterns, like you're out 467 00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:56.539 there, reach down on a regular basis and you're seeing patterns of people that 468 00:31:56.579 --> 00:32:00.500 are coming for paps, mirrors or STD testing or whatever. Yeah, then 469 00:32:00.500 --> 00:32:04.329 the things that you see a pattern of, yeah, then compile a list 470 00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:07.049 of resources for that particular thing. So, again, you're seeing people coming 471 00:32:07.210 --> 00:32:12.529 a regular basis for STD testing, get a list of three or four places, 472 00:32:12.849 --> 00:32:15.609 yeah, that do that, so you can point them in that direction, 473 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:17.440 hand them that list. Maybe, again, it's a compiled list of 474 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.039 all the resources that you've compiled. I'd say the best you cannot just overwhelm 475 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:27.119 them with so much stuff. Yeah, is good, but yeah, so 476 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.349 little pamphlet or something like that you can hand them, give them directions to 477 00:32:30.430 --> 00:32:34.029 the place to get them away from there can be really helpful getting them getting 478 00:32:34.069 --> 00:32:37.829 them away from going in to a place that kills children from. Yeah. 479 00:32:37.990 --> 00:32:42.869 Yeah, so the last major group, which was the one that kind of 480 00:32:43.230 --> 00:32:47.019 sparked this whole podcast for me because I was kind of lost. And how 481 00:32:47.059 --> 00:32:51.900 do I respond to this, was a young man who, well, there 482 00:32:51.940 --> 00:32:54.099 were a few. This happened several times, but the one in particular, 483 00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:59.049 it was a young man going in and then coming out. In both cases 484 00:32:59.130 --> 00:33:05.049 I didn't realize it was a man until he was close. I thought it 485 00:33:05.130 --> 00:33:09.849 was a woman. Yeah, because this was someone transition, a transgender person, 486 00:33:10.130 --> 00:33:14.839 who who I called out and said Hey, we can help you, 487 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.960 thinking it's a woman, and as he approaches he said, I don't think 488 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:22.640 you can help me with my issues. Yeah, and then I realized, 489 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.750 Oh, it's a man, and and he said I'm I'm here for hormone 490 00:33:27.789 --> 00:33:32.509 therapy. Yeah, and so I just really kind of was at a loss. 491 00:33:32.549 --> 00:33:36.509 I had never dealt with that, never that was my first time. 492 00:33:36.789 --> 00:33:40.700 Yeah, and what I did do was just instantly this is where I always 493 00:33:40.859 --> 00:33:45.339 go. As I talked about that, we were all loved because we are 494 00:33:45.380 --> 00:33:50.779 all created in the image of a holy God, and focusing on the image 495 00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:53.380 of God and Shared The Gospel. He was not terribly receptive. He got 496 00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:59.569 back in his car and said Plan parenthood really understand lgbtq people. Yeah, 497 00:33:59.650 --> 00:34:04.730 and transgender people, and that really struck me. First of all his clear 498 00:34:04.769 --> 00:34:07.250 unhappiness, and I thought after he had left, I should have said something 499 00:34:07.409 --> 00:34:13.559 like are you conte hand, and because I do know enough about the transgender 500 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.519 movement that these people have a very, very high rate of suicide, very 501 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:23.789 unhappy, varied, they're never at home. Yeah, in even following surgery. 502 00:34:23.949 --> 00:34:28.590 And and the doctor friend that was with me in fact verified that. 503 00:34:28.829 --> 00:34:32.389 She said that her son is a Dr Johns Hopkins, and they had studied 504 00:34:32.469 --> 00:34:39.579 and done the surgery, surgical intervention for people transitioning from one gender to another 505 00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:44.900 for twenty years. And what they and they did all kinds of research during 506 00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:51.219 that time and found that the suicide rate prior to the surgery is about forty 507 00:34:51.380 --> 00:34:55.090 percent. It's really high. And then they they did twenty years of study 508 00:34:55.170 --> 00:35:01.170 of these people following the surgery and the suicide rate was unchanged. Yeah, 509 00:35:01.369 --> 00:35:05.289 so they stopped doing them because they said, what are we doing? We're 510 00:35:05.289 --> 00:35:12.800 doing these very disfiguring, irreversible surgeries with all the risks involved and it's not 511 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.639 helping. They're still suicidal. So so that says a lot. But but 512 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.670 the when I did some research on this, I really found that the church 513 00:35:24.829 --> 00:35:30.469 maybe is not responding as well as it shoulder could be. It can be 514 00:35:30.630 --> 00:35:36.179 very condemning without understanding. So we just wanted to give you all and we 515 00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:43.860 have an article that is accompanying this podcast and we've put some links on maybe 516 00:35:43.940 --> 00:35:51.050 some ways that you can gracious, gracefully and graciously approach this issue. But 517 00:35:51.690 --> 00:35:55.769 but one of the things in listening to people who came out of the transgender 518 00:35:58.010 --> 00:36:02.969 movement started off maybe even did the surgery, and I did hear a podcast 519 00:36:04.090 --> 00:36:07.960 with one of those women speaking who had been transgendered as a man for nine 520 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:14.920 years and what brought her back was the gospel. Well, and she said 521 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:21.670 despite all the anger and hatred that she expressed to her mother or others who 522 00:36:21.789 --> 00:36:29.309 tried to keep pointing her back to her identity in Christ and the importance of 523 00:36:29.429 --> 00:36:34.260 that and the truth of the Gospel, she said You may think you're not 524 00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:37.500 making an impact because she said she would just scream and storm away. She 525 00:36:37.579 --> 00:36:42.500 said those words never left. The word of God does not return void and 526 00:36:42.659 --> 00:36:49.489 she said don't, don't abandon the Gospel, but she gave some advice in 527 00:36:50.289 --> 00:36:55.170 kind of some strategies so that that Gospel could be more easily received. Yeah, 528 00:36:55.489 --> 00:37:00.880 okay, and so I think I wrote down some of what those main 529 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:08.280 points are. One one of them was was really that that you first listen, 530 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:16.949 just listen, understand their world, because these people are very largely insignificant 531 00:37:16.989 --> 00:37:22.829 pain and if they don't feel you truly understand the pain that they're in, 532 00:37:23.070 --> 00:37:29.269 that it. You know, you can't just introduce well, God can change 533 00:37:29.269 --> 00:37:34.460 everything and you know just you know, grow up or whatever. Yeah, 534 00:37:34.539 --> 00:37:37.940 that is not going to be well received and they're going to reject it. 535 00:37:37.300 --> 00:37:43.179 Yeah. So so listen and and then I think you are the one, 536 00:37:43.219 --> 00:37:47.289 Daniel, that that suggested some of the things that we wrote down as kind 537 00:37:47.289 --> 00:37:52.289 of bullet points. On some things, you could say like I I didn't 538 00:37:52.329 --> 00:37:59.079 even realize the risks of form on therapy. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 539 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.840 I think pointing them to resources that can speak the truth, and this 540 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.639 is from the Mayo Clinic, this link that you actually have in the article 541 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:08.599 here. Yeah, we're not going to, yes, bound too much on 542 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:13.269 this, guys, because you can get the article and sidewalks for lifecom yeah, 543 00:38:14.389 --> 00:38:16.869 but yeah, I mean talking about how these there's risks involved. This 544 00:38:16.989 --> 00:38:21.909 home hormone therapyst people think that they're doing the best because, you know, 545 00:38:21.949 --> 00:38:28.260 after all, we're trying to affirm. That's a word that folks that push 546 00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:31.739 this movement always use as affirming. Want to be affirming. Yeah, but 547 00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:37.780 if you're affirming someone and doing something that's destructive to them, yeah, then 548 00:38:37.820 --> 00:38:40.219 you're not being helpful. That's like, yeah, you know best example I 549 00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:44.010 can think of the top of my head, if somebody you, you're at 550 00:38:44.050 --> 00:38:46.010 the bar, which wouldn't be if you're a Christian, but before you were 551 00:38:46.010 --> 00:38:50.489 a Christian, at the bar with one of your friends. He's had a 552 00:38:50.530 --> 00:38:53.329 little too much to drink, or he or she walk into the door of 553 00:38:53.409 --> 00:38:57.559 the bar with their keys in their hand. Are you going to affirm that? 554 00:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.920 You want to affirm them. Right, Hey, you could pat them 555 00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:01.880 on about how you're a good driver, and they're saying, I feel fine, 556 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.360 I can drive, I'm perfectly fine. So their feelings, you're saying 557 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.679 it's it, I can do this right, don't judge me. After all, 558 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.070 aren't you supposed to? I mean you, my friend, would you 559 00:39:12.110 --> 00:39:15.829 judge me, did you, when you want me to feel like I want 560 00:39:15.829 --> 00:39:22.710 to feel in my own body. Right, and sometimes affirmation of destructive behavior 561 00:39:23.659 --> 00:39:28.179 is actually involvement in that a that destructive behavior. We need to speak out 562 00:39:28.179 --> 00:39:30.380 against it. We could do it graciously and we can do it with, 563 00:39:31.699 --> 00:39:36.739 you know, with the grace of God. Yeah, but we shouldn't affirm 564 00:39:36.820 --> 00:39:39.210 things that are destructive to people. Anyway. This article in the Mayo Clinic 565 00:39:39.570 --> 00:39:45.010 on the Mayo Clinic Dot Org website will talk about that, right, and 566 00:39:45.210 --> 00:39:49.409 there's other articles. There's a testimony we have a link to on this article 567 00:39:49.449 --> 00:39:52.119 that should be able to just watch this testimony. Testimonies are powerful in any 568 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.559 area. Yeah, always encourage you. If you have a testimony. Maybe 569 00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:01.960 you know a friend who was a transgender person and got saved and God turn 570 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:06.480 their life right side up. Share that testimony. Maybe you're a person like 571 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.510 like that. Or maybe this testimony that we have listed here and there's other 572 00:40:09.590 --> 00:40:15.030 testimonies of people that have gone through that and the Lord just turn their life 573 00:40:15.030 --> 00:40:20.869 right set up. Share those testimonies. Yeah, but you know, ultimately, 574 00:40:20.869 --> 00:40:22.699 I would say ministering to these people the Gospel is the most important thing. 575 00:40:23.019 --> 00:40:28.139 It really is. And and the case study that I heard on the 576 00:40:28.340 --> 00:40:30.619 link that I gave you, that was what she said, that that was 577 00:40:30.860 --> 00:40:36.329 what turned everything around. Yeah, for her was she and it took nine 578 00:40:36.369 --> 00:40:40.050 years and she went through all the surgeries and and she made the point that 579 00:40:40.610 --> 00:40:45.969 she was. She awoke from the surgery thinking this. It kept that. 580 00:40:45.289 --> 00:40:51.360 She you kept having to go more and more extreme and how to deal with 581 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:57.760 the gender dysphoria, and she kept thinking this next step is first hormone therapy 582 00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.199 and then I'll feel better. And then, when she didn't, she said, 583 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:01.559 well, now there's surgeries and then I'll feel better. And she woke 584 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.750 up from the surgery and it was almost instantaneous. She said, I feel 585 00:41:06.789 --> 00:41:10.190 the same, I'm not this is not right, I'm not who I'm supposed 586 00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:15.230 to be. And ultimately came to what I love the line she said finding 587 00:41:15.349 --> 00:41:20.300 her identity in Christ, because this is an identity. It's sexual identity, 588 00:41:20.380 --> 00:41:24.300 but it's your identity. Where does that lie? And ultimately it lies in 589 00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:30.380 Christ and Christ alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Amen. Well, 590 00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:31.969 guys, we hope this podcast was a blessing to you. We hope it 591 00:41:32.050 --> 00:41:37.889 equipped you, guys, to being effect the voice with people who are not 592 00:41:37.090 --> 00:41:42.449 necessarily abortion minded, so that you can focus on those who are abortion minded. 593 00:41:42.530 --> 00:41:45.610 Of course we've done many podcast about that, will continue to do podcast 594 00:41:45.690 --> 00:41:50.599 about that and we may even, at some point in the future break down 595 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.800 some of these subjects individually new separate podcast about them. But for now we 596 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.440 just hope this will be a blessing you, guys. As always, you 597 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.519 can reach out to me, Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You reach 598 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:02.909 out to her, Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. Check out our sidewalks 599 00:42:02.909 --> 00:42:07.429 for life website. This article should be up as this podcast come out comes 600 00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:10.909 out, and I think it'll be a blessing to you guys. Or some 601 00:42:10.949 --> 00:42:15.659 of those links that we talked about. And think until next time we'll wrap 602 00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:29.380 this thing up and God bless give me our love for love, give me 603 00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:42.369 our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's 604 00:42:42.530 --> 00:42:45.119 too precious in some you