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I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord,
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I am you. Welcome to the
Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, and
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this episode we're going to talk about
how to Minister to people coming to an
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abortion center that are not necessarily abortion
minded. We know this episode will encourage
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and equip you, so stay tuned. Lord, I felt show passish touch
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your heart. Use Welcome to the
Gospel Center pro life podcast. We appreciate
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you guys listening and, as always, encourage you guys to share this podcast.
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It's mainly focused on equipping people and
encouraging people who are out on the
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sidewalk, but we cover other subjects
that don't necessarily have to do with sidewalk
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counseling ministry. So I think it'd
be a blessing to a lot of people,
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but in particular people that are reaching
out on the sidewalks of their local
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abortion center or people that are praying
about reaching out at their local abortion center.
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Want to mention that just this past
Saturday will recording on a Monday of
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February, the eighth, I think
so right, and you guys should hear
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this the Thursday. That's how typically
works. Record on the Monday and we
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put them out on a Thursday morning
just past this past Saturday, Februhere,
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the sixth, we did an online
training. We call all sidewalks one hundred
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and one training, which we made
available to anybody who heard about it,
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which we didn't really invite a lot
of people. Wouldn't really share a lot
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with a lot of people that we
were going to be doing this. We
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had a large group of people.
You're doing some online training. Maybe you're
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interested in that. We were doing
again what we call our one hundred and
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one training, which is just basic
how to of sidewall counting. Actually we
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cover the what, why and how
of sidewalk out reach ministries, sidewalk counseling,
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and maybe you're interested in that.
Maybe listen to these podcast has got
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a new interesting going out and you
want to get equipped. We do that
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every the first Saturday of every month. We'll be doing that moving forward at
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eastern time, two to four and
you'd have to fill out an application and
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US give you the thumbs up on
your application for you to be able to
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be on that training and the will
send you the link. But if you're
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interested in that at all, you
can go to love life dot org slash
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America, and there's some ways to
get involved. You could even reach out
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to me if you wanted to,
Daniel Love Life Dot Org, and I
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can give you the information that you
need and get you to the appropriate,
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appropriate places to sign up and all
of that. But just want to let
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you guys know that's available. That's
that's what we're trying our best to do
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with this podcast. Trying our best
to do with Love Life America and all
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of that, is to train and
equip people to be a gospel centered witness
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at their local abortion center. That's
what we're trying to do and hopefully that's
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what this podcast will try to do. It's a little different. Normally we
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deal with how do you talk to
an abortion minded mom at an abortion center?
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That's that's our folcus. That's our
main focus. Yeah, but we
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do know well the trouble abortion center
that you guys have heard US talk about
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a lot is what we would consider
an abortion mill. They just do abortions.
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That's all they do. That's on
their website, that's that's all they're
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offering is abortion, and there's a
lot of those freestanding abortion clinics around the
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country that all they do is abortion, but there are also a lot of
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abortion clinics that do other things,
and a lot of those abortion clinics are
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planned parenthoods. Right, plan parenthoods, even though their bread and butter,
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for lack of a better term,
is abortion. That's how they make their
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money. They do do other things, all for birth control. They do
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hormone therapy. We'll talk a little
bit about that. They do std testing
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and stuff. The stuff they all
for, however, though, is is
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stuff that you can get in other
places. So it's not like Plant parenthood
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is necessary because they offer these other
things. ME. You know, you
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hear people saying you have Plant parenthood. They do more than just abortions.
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A matter of fact, I think
they say statistically, only three percent of
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what they do is abortion. Right. So that makes them like mostly good,
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right. Height but my response to
that, as always, well,
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let me cook you a pan of
brownies with made with the best chocolate and
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just put three percent dog poop there. Would you still eat the brownies?
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Would you still encourage your friends eat
the brown yeah, probably not, right,
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like to say. And Hitler was
a great guy, except for that
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thing about the Jews. Yeah,
just, yeah, you know, he
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was he was mostly just trying to
do the best things for his country and
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only three percent of what he did
was killed Jews and gas chambers. Right.
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Yeah, it's ridiculous and put a
whole lot of time. Yeah,
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that. Yeah, or like maybe, are mostly peaceful protests that we've had
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around the country, right, burn
and loot and riot. Yeah, they're
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mostly peaceful. Only three percent of
it Zim bashing storefronts in with bricks and
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things like that. The the bad
far overcomes the the whatever a parent good
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that might be. When it's that
bad, for sure, absolutely. Yeah.
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So not to rabbit trill on that. Let's jump in to what we're
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talking about again. We're talking about
you're at a plant parenthood, at an
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abortion center. You want to reach
the moms going in that are having abortions,
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right, but there's other people.
If people coming in. There's a
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lady walking in says I'm here for
birth control, yeah, or there's a
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person walking in saying I'm here for
STD testing, I'm here for an ultrasound
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because they do it cheaper here than
anywhere else. Yeah, how do you
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respond to that? So we're going
to touch a couple of those subjects and
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just talk or talk about how we
respond in the best ways to minister to
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people in that capacity. Yeah,
right, so so, yeah, yeah,
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the main groups, and we know
this because we're ministring at a plant
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parenthood now with there are four abortion
centers in our city and we are at
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all of them in one of those
is a plan parenthood. Yeah, and
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so there are lots of different groups
going in and so the main groups.
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We tried to kind of just break
it down so that as we talk about
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it, you can think about,
okay, these are the main groups.
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How can we reach them, or
at least be somewhat knowledgeable, yeah,
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about each of those groups so that
we can speak to them. And all
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of these groups need the Lord.
And most of these groups are people that
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are going to be abortion vulnerable.
Yeah, if they are not, they're
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already abortion vulnerable. So if we
can speak, not knowledgeably, to them,
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we might be able to stop abortion
before exever. You know, been
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con one of the things that Plant
parenthood does is they try to get in
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communities and they offer things, you
know, like sex education, right,
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which, yeah, ridiculous, getting
sex education from an abortion providers ridiculous.
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Yeah, but they try to sow
their seeds into the community so that when
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a woman does get in a quote, unwanted pregnancy situation, where does she
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go? She goes to plan parenthood, exactly. So we always, in
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any of these situations, wanted to
deter people from going into Plant parenthood.
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Right. They're trying to build relationships
with people and one of the things we've
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discovered locally, just to mention this, because there's this idea that plan parenthood
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is needed because they offer free stuff. Right. We had a lady call
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not too long ago the plan parent
who here locally, and this has happened
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nationally. People have called Plant parenthood
and figured out, okay, what do
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they offer that's actually free? And
almost nothing is free. They're not given
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free ultrasounds, right. They're not
given free pregnancy testing. Yeah, they're
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not doing free birth control or free
STD testing. None of this stuff is
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free, right. Yeah, and
so we do wanted to deter people from
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going in there who come with these
different things. They are not necessarily coming
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for an abortion, right. Yes. So we we talked about each of
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these areas and just to kind of
organize it for you, the the main
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areas that that we see at our
local plant parenthood and probably a most parenthood,
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Plant parenthood, people coming for birth
control or problems with birth control.
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Yeah, abortion workers. Now,
they aren't coming to plant parenthood, but
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you see them there. Group that
you'll see going in and out. Yeah,
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the women coming for low cost pregnancy
test or ultrasounds, the women coming
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for perhaps mere STD testing or other
health issues, not mammograms, because they
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don't do mamograms. Don't even there, which people say they do. They
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they do not do that. They
do not. And then the they dis
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group. That I and and that's
one that we're going to do a teeny
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little case study on, because it
really took me kind of by surprise.
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I wasn't expecting and I didn't know
how to deal with it. Were men
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coming for hormone therapy for transgender transition? Yeah, and that we kept seeing
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these men going in to plan parenthood
alone, coming out alone, never apparently
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meeting women, and it took us
a while to figure out, oh,
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they're here for hormone therapy. Yeah, so not that we can our wheelhouse
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is the abortion minded women. You'll
know how to deal with an abortion minded
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women. Woman. That's that's the
focus of our ministry. But I think
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it is important that we know what
to say and do with with with these,
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with these other group and, I
think, also to we know how
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to minister to these groups without letting
them be all consuming. Right. So,
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that right. Just one thing you
need to be aware of is that
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the enemy of the best is always
the good. So is it good to
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minister to someone who thinks that they're
a woman when they're really a man?
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Yeah, it's good to Minister the
truth of them. It's good to show
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them the truth of God's Word and
minister the love of Jesus to them.
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But what's the best? Well,
if someone's walking past them that's there to
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kill their child, continuing in a
lengthy conversation with them and neglecting to give
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a voice of that baby, you'd
be you'd be sacrificing the good for the
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best, I believe, in that
situation. So we're going to be talking
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a little bit about how you can
answer these situations, but also to keep
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your focus on why you're actually there. Yeah, and your focus is always
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the abortion minded women. So so
we had a case last week at plan
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parenthood of a young lady that it
I won't make this too lengthy, but
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we found out that she was there
for an IUD removal. I actually didn't
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Know Plan Parent parenthood did that,
so it's interesting to know that they did.
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They will remove the IUD, but
we called out to the women not
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knowing that, and that's always our
strategy. So with all these groups we
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would start off calling out if you're
here for an abortion. Yeah, maybe
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you have a friend that you could
talk to this about, but we are
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here to offer you hope and help. So we always start that way and
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oftentimes they'll tell us I'm not here
for an abortion. Sometimes we discovered that
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that was a lie, but sometimes
we discover it was the truth, and
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that was the case with this young
lady last week. She was not there
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for an abortion. She did tell
us she was having birth control removed.
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I kind of forgot that because so
many people go in and out and we're
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calling out to so many people.
So she was in there for a while
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and then I saw this woman come
out. It was her, but I
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had forgotten the discussion I'd had with
her car side and she's weeping and I
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just kept calling out, saying you're
obviously upset. I know whatever you face,
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we can help you, and she
finally came over to me just bawling,
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trying her eyes hat and the first
thing I did actually, even in
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the COVID era, I probably shouldn't
have, but was hugged her because this
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was a young lady, you know
what, probably just out of team hood
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and just so upset. And she's
crying and said they and she's, by
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the way, it was frigid out, twenty degrees, and she's wearing a
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t shirt and flip flops with no
socks, socks, no winner coat,
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nothing. And and she said she
was late for her appointment for the I
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you D to be removed and and
they wouldn't do it because she was late.
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Well, and so she standing in
the cold, frigid. Obviously doesn't
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own winter closed. Obviously Poor Plant
parenthood care no matter what, unless you're
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late for your appointment. Yeah,
well, that was the irony too,
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is we had just right before we
saw that one, when we were commenting,
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my counselor friend and I about the
plan parenthood sign that says plan parenthood
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cares no matter what. I took
a picture of it and I said really,
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well, no matter, I guess
if you're late for your appointment,
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then they no longer care. So
that no matter what was probably a little
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bit of an exaggeration, I'm plan
hood's part. But anyway, we said
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fortunately, I was standing there with
with a fellow my fellow councilor is a
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doctor, and she said the woman
said, I'm having pain, I'm in
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pain. So not only was she
laid for the appointment, she told them
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she's in pain and it sounds like
it was the IED. And and so
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some principles kind of in dealing with
her was first of all, find out
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the problem. We found out the
problem. She's in pain. Yeah,
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possibly emergency pain. And our doctor
friend said, well, you need to
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get to the ER, which is
literally five minutes away, and and then
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that the doctor drove her there.
Yeah, actually took her to the ear
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but so and then we even gave
her a wet shirt. Just said keep
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it for this poor poor woman.
But we know now they're going to be
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women who are getting birth control.
We know that. We knew people come
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to get get birth control and but
there's also people having an iud either.
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I don't know if they put in
iiu D's. My guesses they do,
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but they certainly remove the IUD's,
but they just wouldn't for this one.
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Yeah, so they're kind of some
principles we can think about in in dealing
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with that. Again, we don't
want to spend a lot of time,
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but the one of the things that
did occur to me right away was this
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young lady, young unmarried, on
birth control. Well, she's clearing new
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not following God in terms of sexual
purity. So having that Gospel discussion is
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always important. Yeah, absolutely,
and this is got to be done,
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you know, forthright, but a
gracious way. Right, is coming to
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CASS as condemn me. Well,
yeah, should we have a birth control
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because you're a fornicator? Yeah,
right, there's a nice way to say
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that. Yeah, we need to
bring God's truth into the equation. God's
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truth is best always, no matter
what modern society says. And so yeah,
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talking about that, and of course
I believe this is more appropriately a
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woman to woman discussion. Yeah,
although as a man, as a pastor,
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I can certainly address things in that
level. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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you got to address that issue.
Yeah, sure. Well, and
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when she when someone is broken,
we never want to heap sorrow Pon sorrow.
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You have said that. I think
that that's really, really good advice.
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But the the flip side of that
is when someone is broken. They
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know they're broken, they know that
they are in a terrible mess and their
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receptive, hey, how do I
not get in this mess again? And
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that was where we were able to
start with her shore and we gave her
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a sweatshirt and a ride to the
hospital. So she was open to hearing
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what these kind people had to say
about God. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah, but there are other you
know, there certainly are other things
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that we offered her and that we
could offer to anyone in those situations.
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So, first of all, letting
them know that birth control that is given
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by plan parenthood is can often cause
abortions. Yeah, and many people don't
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know that. Yeah. So educating
the people coming in, because some of
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them, as they're walking in,
that's all they're there for. They're just
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there for birth control, and that's
one of the things you can call out.
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Did you know that this place does
abortions? They almost always say yes,
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let me and then. So something
else that you can offer is community
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health centers, yeah, that do
that service, you know, less expensively.
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Yeah, and you know, I
will mention if I'm at a plan
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parenthood I'm having a conversation with a
mom or dad going in and they'll say,
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often times, well, I'm not
here for that, right. You
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know they want to distance themselves from
abortion. Yeah, they do, and
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they're all ask them. Yeah,
if I can pick upon that, I'll
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ask them. So, so,
what do you think about the fact that
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plan parenthood does abortions? And often
times they'll say, well, I don't
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like it, and I will actually
give them the analogy that I just gave
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you guys at the very beginning.
Yeah, I'll say, well, what
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if I offered you a pan of
brownies? It? You know, I
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just cooked real nice and use the
best chocolate I could, but I missed
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mix a little bit of dog poop
in it. Would you eat them?
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to say no way. I say that's
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plan parenthood. It's up, it's
even worse. Yeah, they're doing other
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things for you at a low cause, but they're killing babies inside of that
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place. Yeah, you don't really
want to have any association with that,
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do you? And then I will
point them to a pregnancy center that can
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often times do everything that plant parenthood
is offering, except for a whole lot
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cheaper. Right, and the question
might be, well, why didn't they
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get there in the first place.
Well, a lot of times because they
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don't hear about its. Pregnancy centers
have a hard time competing. I mean
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pregnancy centers are nonprofit, locally supported
organizations normally. Yeah, and thank God,
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you know, for the fact that
churches and individual support them, but
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for them to bring in enough money
to compete with plant parenthood in the Google
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space is like almost impossible, right, because plan parenthood is porn you know,
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I don't know, probably naturally millions
of dollars into Google, maybe even
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every month. Yeah, to get
those words that like free pregnancy tests and
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ultrasound of that stuff, to get
those key words, as for their links
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to pop up when people search the
key words. Yeah, so all these
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women don't know about the pregnancy sent
they don't. And now the the pregnancy
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centers. Many of them are Christian
and many of them do not provide birth
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control, counseling there or birth control. Yeah, so that's why it's so
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good to have as big a list
as you can have of low cost community
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centers, because they will provide birth
control. And we could do, we
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probably should do at some point a
you know, a podcast about birth control.
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There are so many different feelings about
it. For sure, we would
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not support the the pill because it
can cause abortion, or the iud both
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of those can. But but there
are other forms of birth control and and
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there are community resource centers that that
will provide that, other community health centers,
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yeah, that that will provide that. So so knowing, knowing those
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and offering those is a way to
deal with these women that are going in.
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And your point that I love telling
them the story that you tell them
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because it makes it real. Yeah, but also almost all of them say,
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really, there's other places where we
could go, and we give out
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twenty pieces of literature when we're there
because they want to know there are other
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low cost there are people that go
to plan parenthood because there's just nothing else,
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yeah, available for them. So
anyway, the second group that we
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see out there the abortion workers,
and those aren't moms going in and out
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or men going in and out,
but it's people who work there. Yeah,
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and what do we do with them? But can we call out to
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them? Yeah, so of course
you have that at every abortion center,
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not just a plant parent who's you
know these we certainly deal with abortion workers
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here at the latrobe abortion center and
again, they're not a priority for us.
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It's not that God doesn't love them
equally. He loves them just like
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he loves the MOM's going in.
Yeah, but for the MOMS and the
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babies that they carry, it's like
one emergency, like there's a sense of
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urgency. Yeah, certainly for these
abortion workers there's this, least in some
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measure, a sense of urgency that
they need to get out of this industry
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or there they become more and more
engulfed in this spirit of death. But
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some of the things, of course, we'll call it to them, is
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always will say God's made you for
so much more than this. That's a
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good line. That's one of the
things that I will say. God has
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given you the skills as a nurse. I'll say this to the doctors as
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well. God has given you the
skills as a doctor, and now you're
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using those those skills to destroy life
rather than to protect life. God has
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so much more for you than this. Yeah, and then, of course
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you want to sting their conscience and
not back away from the fact that abortion
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is murdered. And so I will
warn them, you know, if you
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take part in the shedding of innocent
blood, the Bible says that you will
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reput you so and just call them
to repent style taking part and what's going
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on inside of there. Yeah,
yeah, and then as a resource we
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will point them to abortion and WORKERCOM. We don't have the manpower and really
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the the the calling in the focus
to be able to get them a job
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and we have helped some local abortion
workers get better jobs and things like that.
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We've seen, what is it,
twenty six over the past two years
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or so as love life. I
think locally we've seen eighteen to maybe twenty.
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Yeah, those are the ones that
contact us. Yeah, I mean
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there's plenty that have left. We're
sure that haven't contacted. Yes, yeah,
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yeah, actually, our friends with
one of the ladies that used to
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run the front desk and she's started
a catering business and yeah, has cater
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sir. Yeah, okate, he's
catered some of our meetings right's been really
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cool. But we want to point
them toward, if we can get them,
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local resources, but if we can't, we point them to abortion workercom,
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who has a programmed to get these
folks, mostly women, out of
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the abortion industry. Right, and
so we call that out. We have
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actually little business cards. It's a
abortion workercom on them, hand them to
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them if we're able to do that, and that's kind of how we do
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with that. Yeah, we've had
abortion workers leave on it's not common,
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but the leave and come to us
in tier saying I have to leave this
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place and we'll hand them the card. And that's happy Johnson's Ministry of former
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planned parenthood manager, and it is
a it. They know what they're doing
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with the abortion workers. So we
we kind of touched on the this a
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little bit. Women coming for low
cost pregnancy test or I'll sounds. I
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do want to point out. And
then what you talked about with the pregnancy
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resource centers. Yeah, that's the
perfect resource to point them too. Yeah,
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and they're often they're they're lower on
the list. If you Google the
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first time kid is going to be
plan parenthood or an abortion center. And
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I know for a fact, because
I've talked with the women at coming out
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of the LATROBA abortion center, that
they are lured in there by free pregnancy
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test and what they've told me is
that, yes, the pregnancy test is
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free, but if you want the
results you have to pay fifteen dollars.
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Yeah, so, I mean how
deceptive is that? And the ultrasounds at
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now I don't know what what plan
parenthood charges, but but at latrobe facility
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they say the ultrasounds are free.
Yeah, if you get the abortion.
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Yeah, but if you don't get
the abortion, then you pay a lot
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of money for the but they don't
tell you that it. But they lure
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they lure them in and don't tell
them what that what really the bottom line
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is this is only if you it's
free, only if if you didn't have.
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That basically works is when a woman
comes into the abortion center, she
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checks in, was the first thing
they asked for. They want your ID
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and your form of payment and they're
asking her say, what procedure are you?
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How far along are you? And
then what procedure are you considering?
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If they say something like well,
I'm not exactly sure if I want to
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get through the abortion or not.
I want to get the ultrasound first,
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then they'll get them to go ahead
and pay a hundred and eighty five dollars
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because they have to have blood work
and an ultrasu now taken back for the
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ultrasound. And if they are saying, well, I'm not sure I want
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to do this, then they say
well, you've already paid one hundred and
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eighty five dollars and we can't refund
that. So all you have to pay
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is another two hundred and fifteen dollars, three hundred whatever dollars, and we
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can go and take care of this. They get that hook in them.
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business that makes money off of killing children,
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they convince women who are not completely
sure that they want to have an
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abortion. This notion that people come
to an abortion center and they already have
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their minds made up is such a
false notion, it is so untrue.
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Yeah, and and so again they
try to get their hook in them.
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They bring them in with this free
or low cost ultrasound. In comparison it
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is pretty low cast a hundred eighty
five dollars is pretty cheap compared to go
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into an Obie doctor where it's like, I don't know, three four hundred
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dollars. Yeah, but there's free
ones through us at are at our mobile
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ultrasound unit, or through local pregnancy
research centers. The the pregnancy test and
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the ultrasound is free, and it
astonishes me that so many women don't know
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that, but they don't. So
offering that in it again if they're there,
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if they're low income, unmarried,
which many of them are, and
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they're coming for low cost pregnancy tester
and ultrasound, their abortion vulner yeah,
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that, no matter where you are, they are abortion vulnerable. Yeah,
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and so sharing the Gospel again,
always, always, something that even even
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these people that aren't there for an
abortion now, will always give them the
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literature and the way that we kind
of gently suggest that they take that literature
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is maybe you have a friend,
or you will have a friend one day
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who is considering abortion and it would
just be good our name and numbers on
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this and you've got the information.
Yeah. So we deal with them actually
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not all that differently from the women
coming in for an abortion. We still
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get them information, we still try
to share sexual purity message in the Gospel
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and then we point them to local
resources that don't kill babies. Yeah,
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that's why it's good to have like
we have on our brochures, on the
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back of our brochure, a list
of local pregnancy centers. Yeah, if
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you don't have that and you've got
some literature that you hand out, then
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make a list of local pregnancy centers. Yeah, doom on, you know,
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just regular old paper printed out on
your printer if you have to slip
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it in your literature. Yeah,
makeup stickers. I mean there's so many
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things out there vista print. You
can print stuff really cheap on vista print.
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Make up something that looks good as
a sticker. Stick it on the
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back of your literature. Make up
something the card or something. Yeah,
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I can hand them to I know. I would suggest actually, if there's
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a pregnancy center not far from the
plant painter to where you're reaching out at,
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just make up a car, as
will actually Elijah has at the window
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abortion center, because the mobile unit
the window over clinic is not far from
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the latrobe clinic and we have the
mobile unit the latrobe clinic. Right.
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He just made up a car that
has a map that shows them how to
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get here, with directions on the
bottom, you know, written out directions,
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but also a map that shows them
how to get here to the mobile
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unit, not to abortion clinic,
but to the mobile unit. English on
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one side, Spanish on the other
side. Hey, there's a mobile unit
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that will give you a free ultrasound
pregnancy test five minute. Five minutes away
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from here, however, for it
is away for you guys, and hand
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it to them. Yeah, and
turn them away from, yeah, from
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that place. Yeah, and another
piece of good practical advices. If you've
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got someone who is there for an
ultrasound and they tell you they're there,
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they're only for an ultrasound, then
to offered to call while they're standing in
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front of you, call a pregnancy
resource center, because then then you keep
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the more you can keep them from
going in that place that also does abortions,
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the better off for the baby and
for that woman. Yeah. So,
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and if you call a pregnancy resource
center and say I am standing in
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front of an abortion center, you've
just cued them in. This is someone
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who is abortion vulnerable and and they
will often move mountains to get them in
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there quickly. Yeah, so whos? I think is a point that needs
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to be made, also, as
kind of a side note, that building,
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if you're going to be out an
abortion center, building a good relationship
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with your local pregnancy center is really
important. Yeah, we can probably do
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a pot podcast about pregnancy centers and
some of the differences, because there certainly
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are some differences depending on the pregnancy
center. And we did a podcast,
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or I did a podcast interview with
Tara Quinn right who's with help pregnancy center
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that we partner with here locally,
who's just awesome. They're very unusual.
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Yeah, they are very unusual in
the pregnancy center world in that they're a
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little more fourth right about abortion being
murder, but they do it in a
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gracious way, more a little more
forth right with the Gospel. Yeah,
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then some are. Yeah, and
so again, we could probably do a
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whole podcast about some of the differences
and some of the things that you need
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to be aware of. But still
yet building that relationship with your local pregnancy
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center is important. And let's say, because I've heard from a lot of
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people, well, they don't share
the Gospel or they whatever, whatever.
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Well, if they don't share the
Gospel, you don't do ultrasounds, right,
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right, you know? Yeah,
yeah, well, you share the
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Gospel. Yeah, if you'RE gonna
point a woman in that direction, then
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get her phone number, get her
contact info right, follow up with her.
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You share the Gospel then. Yeah, and let them do the ultrasound.
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Let them do the ultrasound stuff,
the medical stuff. Yeah, and
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you do the follow up as far
as discipleship and that sort of thing.
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Yeah, and you know they're not
going into a place that it's going to
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be talking them into an abortion.
See you have time. You Time to
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share the Gospel. Absolutely after they're
done with the ultrasound. You may not
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have that if they walk into the
plan parenthood or into any abortion center,
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because they may be talked into immediately. Yeah, can absolutely, and having
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a good relationship with your pregnancy center, even in spite of differences, can
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really go a long way so that
when you're out there standing in front of
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the plan parenthood and you've got a
young lady who's abortion minded, who's considering
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going to that place, if you
can call ahead, like you mentioned,
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yeah, it goes a long way
to just kind of that handoff process let
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her know they're waiting on you.
You know they're expecting you. Some pregnancy
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centers a little weird where they might
want to talk to her before they set
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any kind of appointment. Just fine, maybe you can hand the phone to
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her or whatever, but calling ahead
is helpful and it does help if you
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have a relationship. You know,
we've got kind of an end with all
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the pregnancy centers around here. We
know the directors and stuff. We can
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get on the phone with them directly
yes, say we've got somebody coming.
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Can you make room. Yeah,
and so again that goes a long way.
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That relationship does absolutely and that's really, really an important resource. So
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women coming for PAP SMEARS, STD
testing or other health issues. We've talked
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specifically about kind of the birth control
issues, but they come for other health
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issues as well, and this is
women, not men yet. We'll get
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to that last. But so again, we use a lot of the same
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strategy speaking to them as we've as
we've already mentioned. Yeah, and I
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don't think there's a whole lot more
to say about that one. Yeah,
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except you know, there are some
pregnancy centers, actually one of the ones
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here, actually a couple of the
ones here in Charlotte, the prolife pregnancy
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centers, do std testing and stuff
like that. Okay, that's good to
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know. So that's good to know. It's good to know if you have
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a good relationship with your pregnancy center, you know the stuff that they offer
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and you can point these women in
the right direction. But many of the
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pregnancy centers won't do like a PAP
smear and stuff like that. But there
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are places that will. Their community
centers that I mean, they're not Gospel
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centered, they're just government entity.
Some of them. Some of them are,
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you know, nonprofits or whatever,
but they're far better than plan parenthood
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exactly. They're not doing abortions.
Yeah, that's the critical, key point.
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It's I can get them someplace that
doesn't do abortions, you've got a
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shot at continuing to disciple her and
have that baby continued to be safe if
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she's pregnant. And I would say
if you're seeing patterns, like you're out
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there, reach down on a regular
basis and you're seeing patterns of people that
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are coming for paps, mirrors or
STD testing or whatever. Yeah, then
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the things that you see a pattern
of, yeah, then compile a list
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of resources for that particular thing.
So, again, you're seeing people coming
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a regular basis for STD testing,
get a list of three or four places,
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yeah, that do that, so
you can point them in that direction,
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hand them that list. Maybe,
again, it's a compiled list of
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all the resources that you've compiled.
I'd say the best you cannot just overwhelm
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them with so much stuff. Yeah, is good, but yeah, so
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little pamphlet or something like that you
can hand them, give them directions to
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the place to get them away from
there can be really helpful getting them getting
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them away from going in to a
place that kills children from. Yeah.
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Yeah, so the last major group, which was the one that kind of
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sparked this whole podcast for me because
I was kind of lost. And how
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do I respond to this, was
a young man who, well, there
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were a few. This happened several
times, but the one in particular,
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it was a young man going in
and then coming out. In both cases
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I didn't realize it was a man
until he was close. I thought it
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was a woman. Yeah, because
this was someone transition, a transgender person,
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who who I called out and said
Hey, we can help you,
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thinking it's a woman, and as
he approaches he said, I don't think
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you can help me with my issues. Yeah, and then I realized,
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Oh, it's a man, and
and he said I'm I'm here for hormone
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therapy. Yeah, and so I
just really kind of was at a loss.
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I had never dealt with that,
never that was my first time.
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Yeah, and what I did do
was just instantly this is where I always
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go. As I talked about that, we were all loved because we are
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all created in the image of a
holy God, and focusing on the image
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of God and Shared The Gospel.
He was not terribly receptive. He got
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back in his car and said Plan
parenthood really understand lgbtq people. Yeah,
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and transgender people, and that really
struck me. First of all his clear
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unhappiness, and I thought after he
had left, I should have said something
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like are you conte hand, and
because I do know enough about the transgender
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movement that these people have a very, very high rate of suicide, very
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unhappy, varied, they're never at
home. Yeah, in even following surgery.
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And and the doctor friend that was
with me in fact verified that.
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She said that her son is a
Dr Johns Hopkins, and they had studied
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and done the surgery, surgical intervention
for people transitioning from one gender to another
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for twenty years. And what they
and they did all kinds of research during
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that time and found that the suicide
rate prior to the surgery is about forty
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percent. It's really high. And
then they they did twenty years of study
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of these people following the surgery and
the suicide rate was unchanged. Yeah,
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so they stopped doing them because they
said, what are we doing? We're
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doing these very disfiguring, irreversible surgeries
with all the risks involved and it's not
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helping. They're still suicidal. So
so that says a lot. But but
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the when I did some research on
this, I really found that the church
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maybe is not responding as well as
it shoulder could be. It can be
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very condemning without understanding. So we
just wanted to give you all and we
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have an article that is accompanying this
podcast and we've put some links on maybe
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some ways that you can gracious,
gracefully and graciously approach this issue. But
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but one of the things in listening
to people who came out of the transgender
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movement started off maybe even did the
surgery, and I did hear a podcast
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with one of those women speaking who
had been transgendered as a man for nine
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years and what brought her back was
the gospel. Well, and she said
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despite all the anger and hatred that
she expressed to her mother or others who
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tried to keep pointing her back to
her identity in Christ and the importance of
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that and the truth of the Gospel, she said You may think you're not
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making an impact because she said she
would just scream and storm away. She
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said those words never left. The
word of God does not return void and
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she said don't, don't abandon the
Gospel, but she gave some advice in
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kind of some strategies so that that
Gospel could be more easily received. Yeah,
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okay, and so I think I
wrote down some of what those main
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points are. One one of them
was was really that that you first listen,
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just listen, understand their world,
because these people are very largely insignificant
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pain and if they don't feel you
truly understand the pain that they're in,
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that it. You know, you
can't just introduce well, God can change
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everything and you know just you know, grow up or whatever. Yeah,
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that is not going to be well
received and they're going to reject it.
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Yeah. So so listen and and
then I think you are the one,
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Daniel, that that suggested some of
the things that we wrote down as kind
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of bullet points. On some things, you could say like I I didn't
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even realize the risks of form on
therapy. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
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I think pointing them to resources that
can speak the truth, and this
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is from the Mayo Clinic, this
link that you actually have in the article
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here. Yeah, we're not going
to, yes, bound too much on
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this, guys, because you can
get the article and sidewalks for lifecom yeah,
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but yeah, I mean talking about
how these there's risks involved. This
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home hormone therapyst people think that they're
doing the best because, you know,
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after all, we're trying to affirm. That's a word that folks that push
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this movement always use as affirming.
Want to be affirming. Yeah, but
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if you're affirming someone and doing something
that's destructive to them, yeah, then
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you're not being helpful. That's like, yeah, you know best example I
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can think of the top of my
head, if somebody you, you're at
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the bar, which wouldn't be if
you're a Christian, but before you were
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a Christian, at the bar with
one of your friends. He's had a
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little too much to drink, or
he or she walk into the door of
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the bar with their keys in their
hand. Are you going to affirm that?
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You want to affirm them. Right, Hey, you could pat them
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on about how you're a good driver, and they're saying, I feel fine,
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I can drive, I'm perfectly fine. So their feelings, you're saying
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it's it, I can do this
right, don't judge me. After all,
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aren't you supposed to? I mean
you, my friend, would you
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judge me, did you, when
you want me to feel like I want
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to feel in my own body.
Right, and sometimes affirmation of destructive behavior
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is actually involvement in that a that
destructive behavior. We need to speak out
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against it. We could do it
graciously and we can do it with,
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you know, with the grace of
God. Yeah, but we shouldn't affirm
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things that are destructive to people.
Anyway. This article in the Mayo Clinic
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on the Mayo Clinic Dot Org website
will talk about that, right, and
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there's other articles. There's a testimony
we have a link to on this article
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that should be able to just watch
this testimony. Testimonies are powerful in any
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area. Yeah, always encourage you. If you have a testimony. Maybe
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you know a friend who was a
transgender person and got saved and God turn
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their life right side up. Share
that testimony. Maybe you're a person like
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like that. Or maybe this testimony
that we have listed here and there's other
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testimonies of people that have gone through
that and the Lord just turn their life
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right set up. Share those testimonies. Yeah, but you know, ultimately,
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I would say ministering to these people
the Gospel is the most important thing.
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It really is. And and the
case study that I heard on the
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link that I gave you, that
was what she said, that that was
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what turned everything around. Yeah,
for her was she and it took nine
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years and she went through all the
surgeries and and she made the point that
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she was. She awoke from the
surgery thinking this. It kept that.
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She you kept having to go more
and more extreme and how to deal with
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the gender dysphoria, and she kept
thinking this next step is first hormone therapy
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and then I'll feel better. And
then, when she didn't, she said,
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well, now there's surgeries and then
I'll feel better. And she woke
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up from the surgery and it was
almost instantaneous. She said, I feel
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the same, I'm not this is
not right, I'm not who I'm supposed
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to be. And ultimately came to
what I love the line she said finding
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her identity in Christ, because this
is an identity. It's sexual identity,
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but it's your identity. Where does
that lie? And ultimately it lies in
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Christ and Christ alone. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, Amen. Well,
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guys, we hope this podcast was
a blessing to you. We hope it
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equipped you, guys, to being
effect the voice with people who are not
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necessarily abortion minded, so that you
can focus on those who are abortion minded.
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Of course we've done many podcast about
that, will continue to do podcast
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about that and we may even,
at some point in the future break down
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some of these subjects individually new separate
podcast about them. But for now we
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just hope this will be a blessing
you, guys. As always, you
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can reach out to me, Daniel
at Love Life Dot Org. You reach
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out to her, Vicky at Love
Life Dot Org. Check out our sidewalks
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for life website. This article should
be up as this podcast come out comes
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out, and I think it'll be
a blessing to you guys. Or some
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of those links that we talked about. And think until next time we'll wrap
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this thing up and God bless give
me our love for love, give me
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our love for gratitude. I know
it will cost me my life. Nothing's
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too precious in some you