Strategic Camera Use In Sidewalk Ministry

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:07.719 I'm yours, I'm yours, I'm yours. And Me, Lord, I'm 2 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:13.359 yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, 3 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:18.719 a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, 4 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:25.440 and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt your 5 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:36.640 passh touch your heart us. Welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. 6 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:42.159 I'm Vicki Kazi York, and I'm here with Daniel Parks. Yeah, it's 7 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:47.280 going pretty well. It's pretty hot out there today. Pretty the nation it 8 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:54.840 is. saw that global warming stuff. But any despite the heat, we 9 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:58.719 were out there on the sidewalk. Well, you were out there, I 10 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:00.679 was not. You were not. I was in the office. Right. 11 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.959 You were cool on zoom meetings and doing the other things that I do from 12 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:10.079 day to day, and I was melting along with our team and the heat. 13 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:15.439 However, we nonetheless set up a camera and did not forget that, 14 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:23.640 because this is a critical component of being a safe and responsible sidewalk team. 15 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:27.239 Yeah, and that's what we're gonna talk about today, is strategic camera use. 16 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:30.560 All right, that's kind of a weird subject. It is. We 17 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:34.959 did a couple of weeks ago, I think it was the podcast before last 18 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:38.879 maybe, we talked about safety on the sidewalk. You don't remember. Did 19 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.280 we mentioned camera usage? I think we mentioned it and the we've mentioned camera 20 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:47.719 usage frequently in these podcasts, but we've never really just devoted a podcast to 21 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:51.879 here are some dudes and don'ts with the camera and we thought this is good. 22 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:56.120 You you really, we really should do something more targeted on everything there 23 00:01:56.159 --> 00:02:01.079 is to know in the sidewalk about camera use. Yeah, and so specifically, 24 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.359 what we're talking about. Most of you guys listening, you're going to 25 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.680 know exactly what we're talking about, but those who don't is we're talking about 26 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:13.719 a camera that's placed in a strategic area, not for filming patients. Been 27 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:17.240 Accused of that, but we literally have no vested interest in filming patients and 28 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:23.520 spying on them or whatever. It's really for accountability because we know that going 29 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:28.039 out there confronting evil, one of the darkest places, we believe, in 30 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:30.159 our city, where evil takes place day in and day out, and one 31 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:35.400 of the most evil places at the gates of hell, at the abortion centers. 32 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.039 We're gonna confront that evil. It can be potentially a volatile situation. 33 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:44.159 Um, PRO aborts are out there right there could be some angry dad's, 34 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:46.719 angry MOMS, angry friends that come and try to get in our face and 35 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:52.479 try to threaten us or even assault us. and Um, actually, I 36 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:57.560 just heard this happened in southern California. There was an older couple doing ministry. 37 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:00.199 I didn't even tell you about this, doing ministry on the side get 38 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:04.199 an abortion center there and some lady come up apparently hit the guy, one 39 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.360 of the guys, in the face. He fell back and uh, hit 40 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:14.680 his head and he's at the hospital. Pretty significant stuff going on. She's 41 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.719 they're filing charges against the lady. Whether or not they had a camera going, 42 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:22.240 I don't know, though, but I will say that things like that 43 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.599 can happen. Now, none of this we don't we don't walk in fear 44 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:27.719 right. God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, 45 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.120 love and a sound mind. So we'RE gonna walk in fear, we 46 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.479 are going to walk in wisdom. So things like that do happen. It's 47 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:38.240 important that we have a camera so we can hold the people accountable, because 48 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:42.199 if we don't have a camera going, oftentimes it can be just our word 49 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.479 against theirs. Right. Yeah, yes, so it's it's for our safety. 50 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:51.840 It definitely is a is an important tool on the sidewalk out reach box 51 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:55.280 that you that you should have. And in this article we wrote an article, 52 00:03:55.439 --> 00:04:00.560 as we always do, Um to accompany the pot hast are almost always 53 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:05.360 but the UM. This article talks about first of all kind of just the 54 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:10.800 general reason that you've just outlined for why why there's a camera out there in 55 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:14.599 the first place, and then we just go through some of the dues and 56 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:17.600 don't and the first thing is, okay, you need a camera. We 57 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.759 we agree with that. Where do you place it? Where do we put 58 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:24.879 the camera? Maybe go into a little Daniel, if you can, about 59 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.319 what kind of camera we use, because maybe people wouldn't know. Yeah, 60 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:30.480 so the cameras that we use, that we encourage people to get, that 61 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:36.319 we have available for our our missionaries to use, or that if people want 62 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.480 to buy, and this is what I point them to. I'M NOT gonna 63 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:43.680 be able to say the name right because it's they're made in China, but 64 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:50.079 it's M I you F L Y or something like that, I don't know, 65 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:54.360 but those and they make a couple of different versions and when we get 66 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:56.879 is kind of bigger and it looks like a lot of what you'll see that 67 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.279 police officers have these body cams that they use, and the reason why we 68 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:02.920 use that is because it's all self contained. It's got the memory built into 69 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.120 us. You don't have to buy an SD card. It's got a battery 70 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:12.360 built into it and they'll record four to five hours straight through and you can 71 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:15.160 actually put the recording because it's got limited amount of memory, like thirty two 72 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.240 gigabytes. That may not mean anything to anyone out there, but what it 73 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:23.879 does mean is that eventually that memory is gonna run out, whether it's four 74 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:26.639 hours, five hours, or you know, if you use it consecutive days, 75 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:29.240 eventually at memory is gonna run out, and so you need to set 76 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:30.720 the camera up and there's a feature in it to make it loop, so 77 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:35.879 that means it keeps on recording and when it gets done and it gets full, 78 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:40.839 the memory gets full, it's gonna Record on top of the previous recordings. 79 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:44.720 If an incident does take place, you just stop the camera and it's 80 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:46.879 got a screen on it so you can show the image, but a lot 81 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:48.720 of times the image is so small. If I need to show an image 82 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:53.439 to a police officer or something, I'll kind of connected to my computer and 83 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:57.040 show them from my computer. Um. But yeah, I mean certainly, 84 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.800 if you guys want to know, reach out to me. You can shoot 85 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.800 me an email Daniel love life dot work, and I'll send you a link 86 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.399 to the one that we use. But you can go on Amazon. I 87 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:10.199 mean there's other companies. They're about a hundred and thirty bucks, but in 88 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.879 my experience you get what you pay for and these are actually I mean they'll 89 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:16.439 we put them out there in the rain and, you know, harsh weather, 90 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:20.040 and they pretty well stand up to what we uh, what we put 91 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:25.839 them through, and surprisingly they we place them. We're going to talk about 92 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:30.600 placement in detail, but we do place them on top of our cars across 93 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.800 the street from from where we stand, a two lane road, and the 94 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:40.480 sound is surprisingly good. You can hear what's happening between the pro abortion crowd 95 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:45.920 and US moms whatever on the on the sidewalk. So we we we've really 96 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:48.360 liked these cameras. They do look like a body Cam, as you pointed 97 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:55.160 out, but we would caution people not to wear body body cams and a 98 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:59.720 lot of sidewalk counselors outside of love life. I don't see so many ours 99 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.040 are people using them as body camps, but a lot of people do, 100 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:06.319 and there's a reason why we recommend that you do not. Yeah, I 101 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:11.920 always discourage people from wearing a body camp on your body because, number one, 102 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:15.199 it's gonna cut down on the interactions that you're gonna have with women going 103 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:17.720 into the abortion center. I mean, you stop someone going into the abortion 104 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:21.160 center, whether they're walking up or they pulled in uh in their vehicle, 105 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:25.439 they stopped to talk with you and then they see that you've got a camera 106 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:30.439 on, immediately they're gonna shut down. Either that or they're gonna get aggressive 107 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:32.199 and get offended. You think it might, it might neutralize that, but 108 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:38.199 sometimes it makes people more angry to see a camera um because it kind of 109 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:42.079 feels like a breach of privacy and it really kind of is. And even 110 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:46.120 though you're not using the camera to film them, still they're seeing that camera 111 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.399 and they think you're gonna use it to plastered on the internet or social media. 112 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:51.560 And the truth is we know that these women are coming to these places. 113 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.639 Many are driving hours away, even though there might be an abortion center 114 00:07:55.680 --> 00:08:00.360 in their town they're driving a couple of towns or cities over because they don't 115 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.920 want to be seen at an abortion clinic, and so when they feel like 116 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.040 they're being recorded, then that's a problem. So that's why we always encourage 117 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.560 folks not to put it on your body but to put it either on a 118 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:16.199 vehicle. Some some cities put it on like, you know, a signpost 119 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:20.879 Um, maybe a light post, some something away from the area of engagement 120 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:26.519 but still pointed out the area of engagement. For example, like at Latrobe, 121 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:30.000 the main area of engagement is that driveway where people pull in and that's 122 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:35.639 where and that's where there's a lot of pro boorts there. If someone gets 123 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.360 angry and comes in her face, they're gonna likely it's gonna you can never 124 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.799 have a camera everywhere that's gonna get every interaction. This is impossible. You 125 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:48.840 can put fifteen cameras up and you're never gonna pick up on everything that takes 126 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.240 place. But have it at the area of engagement. That's where most of 127 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.480 hostile activity might take place and you know you're doing the best you can because 128 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:01.320 you've got to kind of way out is because you gotta set the camera up, 129 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:03.360 you gotta make sure you charge it. You gotta make sure you know 130 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.080 there's there's some there's some work to do with getting that camera out there. 131 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.480 It's worth it, but if you're trying to set up like three or four 132 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:13.720 cameras, it will become not worth it anymore and you'll just stop doing it 133 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.679 altogether. So it's best to set up one, make it not too difficult 134 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.240 for you or for your teams to set up. And I would encourage you, 135 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.240 you know, if you're listening to this and you're in one of our 136 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.679 love life cities, Um, I would encourage for the sidewalk leaders there to 137 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.120 get a camera for each team for each day. You know, you should 138 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:35.679 have a team lead for each day, each Um, each shift, and 139 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:39.799 get a camera for each shift so that each leader has a camera and they 140 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.440 take care of that camera, make sure it's charged up and make sure, 141 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:45.759 you know, get set up in all of that stuff. Yeah, that's 142 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:48.279 a good idea. And and one of the other reasons that you have often 143 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:52.600 mentioned in the past for why you would not wear it on your body is 144 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:56.639 you only see what happens directly in front of you if if you're wearing a 145 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:58.480 body cam, whereas if it's set up in the distance, you're gonna see 146 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:05.000 things coming from behind Um and from all angles, hopefully. So it's really 147 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:11.480 important we we actually park our cars strategically for the best position possible where we 148 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.639 can mount the camera. The one advantage of putting it on or even inside 149 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.679 a car. Inside a car, you're gonna muffle the sound, so just 150 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.399 think of that. But if it's on a car, it's on your personal 151 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.600 property. It already is your personal property, whereas if you're going to put 152 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.399 it on a telephone pole or a tree or whatever, it's no longer on 153 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:37.360 your personal property and I think it's a little bit easier to protect it Um 154 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.440 and to make a case that this was your personal property. Yeah, but 155 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.399 I will say if someone comes up and steals your camera or whatever, even 156 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.879 if you have it on a light post or a sign post or something like 157 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.360 that, people still can't steal your stuff. You know, if you lean, 158 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.200 if you lean your nice hundred and fifty dollar umbrella, which I hope 159 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:56.840 you don't own a hundred and fifty dollar umbrella, but if you did and 160 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:58.919 you lean it against a signpost and someone come up and stole it right and 161 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.159 front of you, they would still be a thief and they would still be 162 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:07.639 be liable, criminally liable, for stealing your property, right. And so 163 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:09.320 you got a hundred and thirty dollar camera, someone comes up and steals it 164 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:13.720 just because it's on the light post. That's not okay and you should press 165 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.480 charges against them for doing so. Yeah, Um, something about Um being 166 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.399 really careful about filming patients. I think I have told this story before, 167 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.159 but I'll tell it again because this is a great podcast. To be sure 168 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:31.080 it's it's mentioned. There was a woman who was very engaged with with me, 169 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.000 definitely about to choose life, about to go on our mobile ultrasound unit. 170 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:41.399 Um, we had really clicked and because of an incident that happened right 171 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:46.440 there at the driveway that had nothing to do with this woman or me and 172 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.879 our discussion, one of our team members came over and started filming Um. 173 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.519 She was not trying to film this mom, she was trying to film the 174 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.840 other person who was trying to run me over and Um. But the mom 175 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:07.519 didn't know that and she was livid and it absolutely shut down that discussion. 176 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:13.519 She was furious, drove into the abortion center. She ended up actually choosing 177 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:18.399 life. She did calm down, come out later, but that almost sabotaged 178 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:24.360 and almost cost that child, um, it's life. So be really careful 179 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.559 in all of the camera used that it's very clear you are not there to 180 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:35.120 capture video or photographs of the women, and that's going to happen. It's 181 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:41.279 gonna Happen, but that's not the intention and we would never use the video. 182 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.559 Like what would be the context for us to use that video anyway? 183 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.720 You know, if we take a picture of a mom that chose life and 184 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.440 we use that on social media or whatever, we do that with their permission 185 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:56.399 because we have a vested interest in protecting their privacy and protecting that kind of 186 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.159 the trust that we built with them in that relationship. So we're not there 187 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.799 to breach that trust. Now pro boords have accused us, you know, 188 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.600 of using that footage for things, but it's just it's a false accusation. 189 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.600 Um, something I want to mention too. It's a little it's not off 190 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.279 topic, but it's probably not in your article here, but this is a 191 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:20.360 situation I heard about in Washington state because we realized that if you ever look 192 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.240 at these abortion centers, they've got cameras. You know, at Latrobe. 193 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:26.120 They've got cameras on almost all four corners of the building right and there was 194 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:30.919 a situation at a plan parenthood there in Washington state where one of the pro 195 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:35.639 abortion people, one of the counter protesters or whatever they call themselves, clinic 196 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:43.519 defenders, actually assaulted a sidewall counselor and he took out charges and the city 197 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:48.639 or the Police Department actually subpoenaed the plant parenthood for their footage because they actually 198 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.720 had the footage. The camera was pointed in that direction. So they subpoenaed 199 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.840 the plan parenthood and they had to give them the footage and that's ultimately what 200 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.720 led to that person being prosecuted. They didn't. That's something also to consider 201 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:05.639 if something does happen, Um, someone threatens you or really if someone is 202 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.039 physically violent, because it's going to be a bit of a process. But 203 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:16.600 definitely I would push for the police department and the Prosecution to get Plant parenthood 204 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.200 or the abortion center to hand over their footage. Um, they have to 205 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.519 do that. If they have footage, they have to hand it over. 206 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:28.720 So I wonder what prevented them from tampering with their footage, because they I 207 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:33.639 could see the abortion center where we're at, doing everything in their power. 208 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.480 Yeah, yeah, erase it or something. Yeah, yeah, I mean 209 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.320 I don't know, maybe it was the hand of God at work in that 210 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:46.480 situation, because to me it's pretty miraculous. But you know, I think 211 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:50.320 there's a sense in which plant parenthood and the abortion clinics don't really want the 212 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.799 liability and things that could come with people that are supposedly serving on their behalf. 213 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.000 You know, these volunteers are they asked to come out here. If 214 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:03.080 they assault us, ultimately abortion clinic can be sued and I think they want 215 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:05.919 to do everything they can to shield themselves from that. So maybe that's why 216 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:07.840 they gave that up, because they didn't want that person to be out there 217 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.320 and create more liability. I don't really know, but it's at least something 218 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:16.320 worth considering. If your camera didn't catch the angle and they have a camera 219 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.799 set up, I would definitely be pushing for the police department to get that 220 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.759 footage. Yeah, and and do it right there. As you know, 221 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.639 we we of course, council. You call police immediately if there's any active 222 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:31.000 aggression or violence, and I would urge the police to go right in immediately 223 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:35.639 and get that camera because if they don't, I'm I'm pretty sure in many 224 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.360 cases it would be tampered with. Bottom line, don't count on it. 225 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.639 You know, have as much as you are able on your own. Protect 226 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.600 yourself with your own videotaping, and we're going to go into the second way 227 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.039 of doing that Um, but it's good to know that. Yes, I 228 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.679 think that is true. If most facilities you're going to be at, they 229 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:58.519 will have their own video system going. So the second thing is, if 230 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:03.480 you don't, you should have a constant for Valence camera like what you've described. 231 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:07.440 We do strongly recommend that. That is looping and constant Um. But 232 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:14.200 everybody has phone camera nowadays, so don't forget that. Bring it with you 233 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:18.519 don't have it, you know, back home in your in your or even 234 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.840 in your car. Have it in your pocket ready to use when you're on 235 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:25.960 the sidewalk. I was gonna say even if your camera is perfectly placed across 236 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:30.120 the street and there's some incident taking place and it's getting the footage, you 237 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:33.360 still should pull out your camera phone and take video right away, because it 238 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.399 could be another angle that that camera is not getting and you know it's a 239 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.840 backup, because you want to be able to hold those people accountable. People 240 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.519 that get violent and aggressive. If they get away with it, we'll get 241 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.559 more violent and more aggressive. So if they come out one day, let's 242 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.159 say, one of the pro abortion people or something, and they're they're pushing 243 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:55.799 you a little bit and they're not held accountable, the next day they're gonna 244 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.679 be pushing you a lot and then the next day they might actually just just 245 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.320 hit you, you know. Yeah, give these people an inch and they'll 246 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.680 take a mile. So this is all about accountability, right and with the 247 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.559 same as with the surveillance camera, with your phone camera, there are pros 248 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:18.000 and cons, and the positive um is sometimes just pulling it out does uh 249 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:25.680 dampen the level of excitement and the crisis and it makes sometimes it makes the 250 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:30.279 bad guy go away, shrink away, not always. The CON is sometimes, 251 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.400 and I have heard this happen, so I know it does happen, 252 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.240 it escalates the aggression. Yeah, yeah, that's just what I was talking 253 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.160 about earlier. Sometimes it will make people more angry. Most of the time 254 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:44.960 it will calm them down and de escalate them, because then they know that 255 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.920 they're being held accountable and that this video. You know, they know that 256 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:51.160 they could go viral acting like a food in front of the abortion center. 257 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:53.799 But you have to be aware that sometimes it can get increase the anger. 258 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.559 I've been, you know, seen incidents take place, pull out my camera 259 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.640 phone and have the Guy who's Ellen at somebody else come right and get in 260 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:04.440 my face and get super aggressive with me, hoping it would de escalate. 261 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:08.839 It actually escalated the situation and really there's no way that we can tell you 262 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:12.759 how it's gonna work. But what we can say is you need to still 263 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.640 take your camera phone out and, you know, if they do come over 264 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.119 and being aggressive, you don't have to respond to them, you don't have 265 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:23.039 to tell them why you're filming or anything like that. Just keep videotape and 266 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:27.279 make sure you get them on video if they're threatening and if they're being aggressive 267 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:32.480 and let the chips fall where they may. Hang on tight to that phone, 268 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:37.240 because what happens when I have heard about these escalating is they try to 269 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:41.079 grab your phone. Yeah, I had a guy actually slap my phone out 270 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:45.519 of my hand and, uh, it actually fell out of my hand and 271 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:49.640 hit my son who was standing beside me, and I called the police. 272 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:55.359 They showed up, I showed him the video of the incident and, uh, 273 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.319 they took that guy right to jail. They did. Okay, so 274 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:02.240 so that shows you it as well worth it, UM, calling the police, 275 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:07.920 but having the video evidence. Um. So when I have seen the 276 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:15.319 anger, most often it's when I have, or someone has been inadvertently usually 277 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:21.720 filming, sometimes purposely filming, a patient, a client. Just be careful 278 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:23.920 not to do that. Remember, like you said, they're traveling sometimes from 279 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:30.160 now we're seeing, from many states over to conceal this sin. So they 280 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.440 are gonna respond with great anger if they think that sin is being uncovered and 281 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:41.000 might be shown to the world. So Um. So, some kind of 282 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:45.359 a summary then of dues and don't we've already we've already mentioned a few times. 283 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:49.720 Don't photograph the clients of the Abortion Center. If it's inadvertent, okay, 284 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.960 you know you've done it, but don't let that be obvious. If 285 00:19:55.000 --> 00:20:00.079 you must photograph and a client is in the picture somewhere but they're not a 286 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.680 source of your video or whatever, try and kind of make it not obvious 287 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:10.400 what you do and if possible, that's not always possible. Something about photographing 288 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:15.279 the pro abortion crowd. Um, we sometimes do it just because we just 289 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:18.880 can't believe what they do and we want we want to show the world, 290 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.960 but I think we do need to have to be careful about that. That's 291 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.599 sometimes exactly what they want. Yeah, you just trying to draw attention to 292 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.599 themselves and they end up really sucking the ear out of the room. Yeah, 293 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.200 and so, yeah, if they're not doing things that are violent or, 294 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.079 you know, they look like they could be leading to violence, then 295 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:41.519 just don't be videotaping the embryo. Yeah, don't waste your time, don't 296 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.559 wait, don't give them the focus and the attention. Um, just you 297 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:51.279 know, your time can be spent better trying to save babies. Always have 298 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:55.599 the phone on you and be ready with it to videotape. have it. 299 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.200 I have it and I have a belt pack Um, and it's and I've 300 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.720 got a sidepote get so that the phone is right there. I can whip 301 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:07.720 it out instantly. Um, if there is direct aggression. So sometimes this 302 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.279 has been an issue for me, especially if I'm if it's a really small 303 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:18.279 team, or I'm the one that is videotaping and there's direct aggression and I'm 304 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.559 like, do I keep videotaping or do I call the police? And I 305 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.079 know, since I have struggled at that moment about which do I do, 306 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.759 I'm not the only one. Other people need and so maybe if we talk 307 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.480 about that a little bit before you find yourself, if you find yourself in 308 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:38.839 that situation, what we would recommend you do. You'll do what is best 309 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:44.240 at that moment. Yeah, I mean if you can still keep videotaping and 310 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:47.200 have your other teammate, if you have another teammate, call nine one one, 311 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:49.880 you can do that. But I think the best is, especially if 312 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:55.559 you've got a camera setup and it likely is catching what's going on on the 313 00:21:55.720 --> 00:22:02.359 on the camera, this valance camera. m then do shut your video down 314 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:06.200 and call nine one one on your phone. Yeah, even saying call nine 315 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:11.839 one one to your teammate again is going to hopefully deescalate aggression because they know 316 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:15.079 that, uh, no one wants the police coming after them. Usually. 317 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.599 We did have one person tell us she already had a record a mile long. 318 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.960 She always gets out on bail, so it's no big deal. Called 319 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:29.920 the cops all we want, but that's not it is it is um remember 320 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:34.960 that that video maybe the evidence that is needed to either arrest or rebuke whoever 321 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:40.720 it is. So it is important that you do have, um, someone 322 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:44.519 videotaping, and I don't know if I mention it, but I think it's 323 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:48.240 probably not a bad idea to tell all team members they could potentially be the 324 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.480 person of videotape, but maybe designate someone. Hey, this is your role, 325 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.680 if use among your other roles, but if you see aggression, you're 326 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.880 in charge of trying to get over there in videotape. Normally it would be, 327 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.759 of course, whoever is closest, if there's someone close, but it's 328 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.720 not a bad idea to alert team members so and so is the person that's 329 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.400 kind of going to be in charge in charge of that. We talked about 330 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:18.680 avoid body cams. UH, sound sound. I know when I was once 331 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:25.960 assaulted it was me Um shouting hey, that hurt and it was picked up 332 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:30.640 on the camera. So not only have a camera that has sound, to 333 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.839 be sure your sound is on. But don't forget if you're the one being 334 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:38.920 assaulted, don't be afraid to talk about that as you're being assaulted. You 335 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.759 don't want to fake anything. It really did hurt what she did. She 336 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:47.240 slammed her sign into my mouth. Um, so it was a natural response, 337 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:51.839 but as soon as the magistrate saw that, they actually did write a 338 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:59.160 warrant for her. Um. So I think those were the main point. 339 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:03.519 Oh, I did say if we're in that act of violence thing and you've 340 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:06.799 got a choice, I would always call the police first. If it's an 341 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:08.559 act of violence, someone's going to get hurt. Yeah, you need to 342 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:14.119 call. You need to call the police and maybe sacrifice the video, hoping 343 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:18.960 your surveillance cameras capturing what's going on. Yeah, absolutely, and you know, 344 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.359 these are just some tips that we've kind of laid out for you guys 345 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:27.519 from experience. and Um, again, we don't want to instill fearing you 346 00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:30.720 guys, but we do know that this can be a volatile situation. We're 347 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:36.920 confronting evil with truth and the devil doesn't like it and people that are living 348 00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.200 for the devil don't like it when you speak truth, and so we can 349 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:44.440 expect that there's going to be some pushback. oftentimes it's just verbal, oftentimes 350 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.839 it's just angry people, but sometimes it can get violent. Sometimes with the 351 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:51.480 pro abortion people, they can take things too far, and so it is 352 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:56.519 good again to have something to hold them accountable. So having a camera going 353 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.359 and uh, you know from a couple of angles can be helpful. So 354 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.960 hopefully this encourages you guys and hopefully you can apply some of these principles. 355 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:10.240 This is a pretty short podcast but again, hopefully just practical and helpful for 356 00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.160 you guys. As always, you can reach out to me, Daniel at 357 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.920 Love Life Dot Org, I mentioned at the beginning of this podcast, and 358 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:18.240 if you want to know what kind of camera we use, I'll certainly shoot 359 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:19.599 you over a link. But you can look on Amazon. There's all kinds 360 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.559 of that are available. Maybe you can find something better than what we use, 361 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.759 but I'll be happy to send you over a link. If you have 362 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:29.200 any other questions, anything you want to run by us, any maybe future 363 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:32.559 episodes. You'd like us to cover subjects for future episodes, you can reach 364 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:34.359 out to me, Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You reach her Vicky, 365 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.759 with a why at Love Life Dot Org, and we'd love to hear 366 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.240 from you. But until next time, God bless God, bless you all. 367 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:53.240 Give me our love, love, give me our love for gratitude. 368 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:06.240 I know it will cost me my love. Nothing's too precious. Since I 369 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:15.920 met you, M M