Sidewalk Outreach Role-Play

WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:06.919 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me, 2 00:00:07.269 --> 00:00:11.789 Lord, I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 3 00:00:12.029 --> 00:00:15.029 As we've done some training, we thought it would be a good idea to 4 00:00:15.109 --> 00:00:17.949 give you guys an idea of what we say to an Abortion Min did mom 5 00:00:17.989 --> 00:00:20.949 and dad. We're going to do a little role playing in this episode, 6 00:00:20.949 --> 00:00:32.979 so stay with us. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use 7 00:00:33.179 --> 00:00:40.850 Me. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys listening 8 00:00:41.689 --> 00:00:45.329 and we hope the past couple of episodes that we've done with some training has 9 00:00:45.369 --> 00:00:48.770 been a blessing to you. Hope it's equipped you guys to be effective out 10 00:00:48.770 --> 00:00:51.039 there on the sidewalk. Maybe some of you that are not going out to 11 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:54.920 the sidewalk, maybe it's encourage you to be involved. times we don't get 12 00:00:55.000 --> 00:01:00.200 involved because we're intimidated, and the way to get unintimidated a lot of times 13 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.040 just training right if you're going to go into battle. I can understand being 14 00:01:03.120 --> 00:01:08.189 intimidated going into battle, and especially if you don't have the proper training and 15 00:01:08.310 --> 00:01:12.069 all of that right. The more training you get, the more confident you 16 00:01:12.189 --> 00:01:15.469 become, and so we hope that this training has been a blessing. I 17 00:01:15.709 --> 00:01:21.180 think we're gonna we're going to do something, maybe a little, a little 18 00:01:21.340 --> 00:01:23.819 out of the norm. Actually not, maybe definitely a little out of the 19 00:01:23.939 --> 00:01:26.739 noise. Haven't done this shot. We have not. Yeah, we've been 20 00:01:26.780 --> 00:01:30.140 encouraged to do it. We've, I think, maybe once or twice in 21 00:01:30.299 --> 00:01:34.250 our inperson trainings. We've done some role playing stuff and I think it isn't 22 00:01:34.250 --> 00:01:38.250 quipping equipping, though. We've had people asked, could you please record a 23 00:01:38.370 --> 00:01:42.930 conversation as you're counseling a mom car side? Could you please record that conversation 24 00:01:44.890 --> 00:01:46.969 so we can just kind of listen in on what do you see? What 25 00:01:47.090 --> 00:01:49.159 you say? Well, I can't do that. It's don't feel like. 26 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.280 I don't feel like it would be the right thing to do to secretly record 27 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.040 a conversation between a woman and then if I were to record it secretly, 28 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:02.510 I'd still want her permission to use it and if I did that it would 29 00:02:02.510 --> 00:02:06.310 kind of be like a breach of trust. I just I just don't feel 30 00:02:06.310 --> 00:02:08.469 good about doing that. I don't know how you feel about that, but 31 00:02:08.590 --> 00:02:13.550 yeah, not with the conversation. I have shared bits and pieces of text 32 00:02:13.990 --> 00:02:20.180 right conversations that I've had and I purposely remove all of the identifying yes, 33 00:02:20.300 --> 00:02:23.780 it's of information. Yeah, because it is. Well, what we're saying 34 00:02:23.860 --> 00:02:25.659 is it's valuable. We get that that would be very valuable, but we 35 00:02:25.740 --> 00:02:29.740 don't quite know how to do it ethically. Yeah, right, yeah, 36 00:02:30.169 --> 00:02:31.930 and I think maybe this is probably the best we can do. Yeah, 37 00:02:32.409 --> 00:02:36.250 just do a little bit of role playing. Yeah, so that's what we're 38 00:02:36.250 --> 00:02:39.930 going to do. Vicki is going to be the abortion minded woman. She's 39 00:02:39.969 --> 00:02:46.159 talked to maybe thousands of abortion minded women over the years, so she's got 40 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.240 a lot of basis for the conversation, some of the things that they might 41 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.960 say. Yeah, and I've got a little bit of experience in talking to 42 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:57.599 abortion mounded women. So I'm going to do the best I can to navigate 43 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.669 through the conversation, try, try to really center the conversation around the three 44 00:03:00.710 --> 00:03:07.710 talking points. I am not great at acting and pretending the scenario was something 45 00:03:07.750 --> 00:03:10.830 that's not so please bear with me if I sound a little weird, a 46 00:03:10.909 --> 00:03:17.300 little like, I don't know, probably just weird. I'm sorry about that, 47 00:03:17.419 --> 00:03:21.780 but I'm doing the best I can and role playing scenario. It kind 48 00:03:21.819 --> 00:03:24.060 of I don't know, maybe I'm more selfconscious than I need to be about 49 00:03:24.060 --> 00:03:28.129 it, but just do the best we can. Just close your eyes and 50 00:03:28.210 --> 00:03:31.530 pretend you're out there. Just picture those people screaming at you, taunting you, 51 00:03:31.770 --> 00:03:36.289 yeah, giving you the finger and yeah, sure. Well, I 52 00:03:36.370 --> 00:03:38.370 do want to set the scenario for you guys, and it's it's the scenario 53 00:03:38.490 --> 00:03:43.879 that we have here in Charlotte where we've got our team on the public sidewalk 54 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.520 at the abortion center. Some of you guys who are listening, you've been 55 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.319 to the abortion center home with trobe drive and so you've seen the scenario. 56 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.680 Some of you guys who in other parts of the country, are the parts 57 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:57.110 of the world, haven't, so you don't know what I'm talking about. 58 00:03:57.150 --> 00:04:00.150 But if you can kind of imagine, there's an abortion center, it's a 59 00:04:00.189 --> 00:04:02.789 freestanding building, there's a parking lot out in front of the abortion center, 60 00:04:02.870 --> 00:04:06.349 there's a public sidewalks, which is where we stand, and then there's a 61 00:04:06.710 --> 00:04:11.259 road that people drive down to get into the abortion center. Most of the 62 00:04:11.300 --> 00:04:15.060 people that stop in a one conversation are in the vehicle, in a vehicle, 63 00:04:15.420 --> 00:04:17.699 so they're not there's not foot traffic, but I think a lot of 64 00:04:17.779 --> 00:04:24.730 the same conversational stuff will apply to those situations as well. But so that's 65 00:04:24.769 --> 00:04:29.410 kind of the stage. So we have our our team on the public sidewalk 66 00:04:29.449 --> 00:04:31.769 there, we'll have somebody positioned at the driveway, somebody positioned in front of 67 00:04:31.810 --> 00:04:35.769 the abortion center calling out, somebody position of the other driveway and then, 68 00:04:35.810 --> 00:04:40.000 if we have enough people, people positioned around the corner up the road. 69 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.839 It's where a lot of people actually stop and engaged there. And then we'll 70 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:46.240 have the mobile ultrasound unit, like we've mentioned before, we have a mobile 71 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:50.279 ultrasound units, an RV. It's like a mobile pregnancy center with a nurse 72 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:55.829 on board, fore ultrasound, free pregnancy test available. So that's kind of 73 00:04:55.910 --> 00:04:59.310 the the scenario there and it's normally within the line of sight. So if 74 00:04:59.350 --> 00:05:01.069 you if you hear me suggesting, Hey, once you go over there, 75 00:05:01.269 --> 00:05:04.949 that's where over there will be being the in the RV. You could apply 76 00:05:05.110 --> 00:05:10.100 that same thing to a pregnancy center that's down the road. Hey, won't 77 00:05:10.100 --> 00:05:14.620 you go ten minutes down the road to the pregnancy center? And so so 78 00:05:14.779 --> 00:05:17.180 that's kind of set in the stage for what we're going to do in this 79 00:05:17.300 --> 00:05:21.889 role play. We might do a couple role playing scenarios. Definitely want to 80 00:05:21.930 --> 00:05:26.769 do one with me as the counselor you as the abortion minded mom, and 81 00:05:26.930 --> 00:05:30.569 then one it with me as the abortion minded dad and then you as a 82 00:05:30.649 --> 00:05:34.879 counselor so. So we'll do the one first that you're the abortion aount of 83 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:40.279 mom and I'm the counselor and kind of the the weird thing about this it's 84 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:45.319 actually this is not necessarily terribly typical. You do counsel some women, but 85 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.519 oftentimes we have the men counsel the man and the women counsel the women. 86 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:54.910 Yeah, so it's a little bit out of there are normal comfort zone. 87 00:05:54.949 --> 00:05:58.949 But no, it's well, you've done more with I have currently man to 88 00:05:59.069 --> 00:06:01.230 engage with the women's like if you've got the word of God in you and 89 00:06:01.269 --> 00:06:04.660 you've got a relationship with Jesus. Yeah, you can. You can counsel 90 00:06:04.699 --> 00:06:09.459 with them, although I agree in some sense, but I don't want people 91 00:06:09.459 --> 00:06:12.779 to be discouraged at all. You can reach women going into the abortion center 92 00:06:12.819 --> 00:06:16.699 as a man and vice versa. But there may be definitely not maybe definitely 93 00:06:16.740 --> 00:06:20.569 are things that you will and you won't say, given the kind of the 94 00:06:20.769 --> 00:06:26.889 the gender differences. There exactly. So all right. So we're best. 95 00:06:27.329 --> 00:06:30.370 Here we are, which the heads like some music in the background, you 96 00:06:30.490 --> 00:06:32.519 know, like the kind of that merry melodies music background, coming to the 97 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:38.839 scen area. So here we are at the latrobe abortion center. Vicky, 98 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:42.839 should that be your name? Nokie, I have a special name. Okay, 99 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:46.160 what is it? Faith? Faith, okay, so I know that. 100 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:47.870 Yet that should be a part of our roleplane it will be, don't 101 00:06:47.910 --> 00:06:54.269 worry. So there I am on the sidewalk, I have a piece of 102 00:06:54.310 --> 00:06:59.870 literature in my hand and I'm waving it in the air and moving around frantically. 103 00:06:59.949 --> 00:07:01.620 No, I'm not. Actually, I'm in a very calm demeanor, 104 00:07:01.779 --> 00:07:04.779 have a smile on my face, have a literature in my hand and I 105 00:07:04.819 --> 00:07:10.139 have my hand up kind of in a waving stop motion. I hate stop. 106 00:07:11.139 --> 00:07:14.860 And then faith, who I don't know her name yet, comes to 107 00:07:14.939 --> 00:07:17.529 a complete stop. Yeah, first thing I'm going to say is here has 108 00:07:17.569 --> 00:07:20.370 some information to give to you. Would you please take this information? Well, 109 00:07:20.529 --> 00:07:25.129 what is this? So this is information about your baby. It's information 110 00:07:25.170 --> 00:07:28.170 about the help that we have available for you. Do you know your baby 111 00:07:28.490 --> 00:07:30.800 is alive? I don't eat this, I don't need this. site. 112 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.639 I have to do this. I have to do this so real quick, 113 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.000 before you go, would you at least just take the information? That way 114 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:39.639 you'll have it just in case you need it. Okay, and then I 115 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:42.720 do want to ask you, like what's brought you here? What makes you 116 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:47.629 feel like abortion is something that you have to do? Where do I begin? 117 00:07:49.110 --> 00:07:53.829 Well, for one thing, my boyfriend has said if, if I 118 00:07:53.990 --> 00:07:59.579 don't have an abortion, that he is kicking me out and I can't afford, 119 00:07:59.620 --> 00:08:03.899 yes, live in my own place. So that's you know. Yeah, 120 00:08:05.139 --> 00:08:09.220 I mean right away. That's it. That that's the main it's the 121 00:08:09.300 --> 00:08:11.930 main deal. And and how can I have a baby when you know he 122 00:08:13.410 --> 00:08:16.449 doesn't? He didn't want the base? That's not fair. Yeah, right, 123 00:08:16.569 --> 00:08:20.050 it's I'm fair to the baby at all. Yeah. Yeah, do 124 00:08:20.129 --> 00:08:22.290 you have family in the area? You from this area? No, I 125 00:08:22.730 --> 00:08:26.160 mean I live, I live with my boyfriend and I don't have anyone. 126 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.720 I'm I'm all alone. Yeah, except for him, and he kicks me 127 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.000 out. I'm really all alive. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, 128 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.399 I just want you to know that we have all kinds of hell. We 129 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.879 have resources available. Let's want to first introduce myself at really gotten to that 130 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.230 yet. But my name is Daniel and I work with the ministry called Love 131 00:08:43.309 --> 00:08:48.230 Life. What's your name? My Name's faith. Faith. Wow, that's 132 00:08:48.350 --> 00:08:52.110 that's an amazing name. Yeah, do you faith? Do you believe in 133 00:08:52.309 --> 00:08:54.269 God? You think there's a God, that that made you? Oh, 134 00:08:56.740 --> 00:09:00.899 well, you yeah, yeah, I think, I think there's probably a 135 00:09:00.940 --> 00:09:03.340 God. Yeah, I'm not really religious though. Okay, so you don't 136 00:09:03.340 --> 00:09:07.019 get a church anywhere in the area? No, no, no, I 137 00:09:07.059 --> 00:09:09.980 did when I was a little girl. Okay, a little kid, but 138 00:09:09.370 --> 00:09:13.610 no, not, not now. Yeah, okay. Well, you know, 139 00:09:13.889 --> 00:09:18.289 faith, Bible calls us to put our faith in the Lord, and 140 00:09:20.129 --> 00:09:24.519 I know you mentioned that you believe in God, and I believe most people 141 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.879 do believe in God. And the basis of your name, faith implies trust. 142 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:31.879 I want you to know there is a God that you can trust. 143 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.879 I understand your situation is difficult. Your boyfriend is going to kick you out, 144 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:39.149 at least threatening to kick you out. Yeah, where's God in that? 145 00:09:39.309 --> 00:09:41.470 I mean, if if you said I can trust God, well, 146 00:09:41.870 --> 00:09:45.789 you know, why do you make me pregnant? Then? Yeah, well, 147 00:09:45.950 --> 00:09:48.909 that's the decision that you made. God, in the midst of that, 148 00:09:48.509 --> 00:09:52.299 can bring good out of that bad situation. You've got to be willing 149 00:09:52.340 --> 00:09:54.820 to put your trust in him. Like I mentioned, I work with a 150 00:09:54.860 --> 00:09:58.899 ministry called Love Life and we have resources, we have connections. So if 151 00:09:58.980 --> 00:10:03.019 that is the case, that your boyfriend does kick you out and it could 152 00:10:03.019 --> 00:10:05.500 just be a threat, understand he could just be threatened to do that. 153 00:10:05.620 --> 00:10:09.090 You don't know him. Yeah, in fact, I'm a little worried about 154 00:10:09.129 --> 00:10:11.610 what he would do. Yeah, if, sure, if I, if 155 00:10:11.649 --> 00:10:13.730 I don't go in there and have that abortion. I mean he gave me 156 00:10:13.769 --> 00:10:18.450 the money for it. Sure. Yeah, he's teeth thinks that's what I'm 157 00:10:18.490 --> 00:10:20.600 doing right now. Yeah, yeah, probably be. He'd probably be really 158 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.879 mad at you if he saw you talking to me. Yeah, he may 159 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:26.279 be, and certainly don't want to put you in dangers. Want to, 160 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.799 want to. I wanted to get the literature in your hands. Friend of 161 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.159 mine, Vicki, her numbers on the back of there. You can certainly 162 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.600 call her talk with her, text her. She loved to talk with you 163 00:10:35.110 --> 00:10:39.190 and might be the best scenario as far as that's concerned. But as long 164 00:10:39.230 --> 00:10:43.710 as we're talking, when I ask you, obviously the boyfriend he wants you 165 00:10:43.710 --> 00:10:46.950 to have the abortion. But how do you feel I mean, you stopped 166 00:10:46.029 --> 00:10:48.950 for me. We've been talking for a little bit. Is that something you 167 00:10:50.139 --> 00:10:52.620 really want to do? Have you? Have you kind of come to grips 168 00:10:52.659 --> 00:10:54.980 with the fact that what you're going to be doing is taking the life of 169 00:10:56.019 --> 00:10:58.220 your baby and you're comfortable with that? Well, no, it's not like 170 00:10:58.379 --> 00:11:03.220 what I want to do. Yeah, it's that, you know, this 171 00:11:03.539 --> 00:11:07.210 is just there's no other choice. Okay, so you feel like this is 172 00:11:07.330 --> 00:11:09.690 just the only choice for you? Yeah, I mean, you know, 173 00:11:09.769 --> 00:11:13.649 you got to have a place to live. Sure, and I haven't been 174 00:11:13.690 --> 00:11:18.090 feeling so good since I got pregnant. I'm really worried about how I'm going 175 00:11:18.129 --> 00:11:20.960 to continue my job. Yeah, absolutely, mean, I'm puking day and 176 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.799 night right right now to yeah, situation, for sure. Well, you 177 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:30.879 just said that you really don't feel like abortion is something that you want to 178 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.629 do, but you feel like it's something that yeah, you know, if 179 00:11:33.789 --> 00:11:37.549 if I, if I had a you know, it wasn't married in a 180 00:11:37.710 --> 00:11:41.110 stable relationship, or even if I just thought that he was going to you 181 00:11:41.230 --> 00:11:45.590 know, I can't bring this, this baby into a world where with no 182 00:11:45.789 --> 00:11:48.340 home and no father and that that's what's going to happen you know, home, 183 00:11:48.460 --> 00:11:54.259 no father and probably no job for me, because I feel I feel 184 00:11:54.299 --> 00:11:58.019 like crap right now. Yeah, and certainly can understand that. Never been 185 00:11:58.059 --> 00:12:03.330 in your situation exactly, but I've certainly debt with situations like yours, and 186 00:12:03.649 --> 00:12:07.929 I'm not pretending they're easy solutions to it. But I am saying is that 187 00:12:07.090 --> 00:12:11.809 once you take the life of your baby, that's something you cannot undo. 188 00:12:11.450 --> 00:12:16.879 And with all these unknowns in your situation, the unknowns about where you're going 189 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:20.440 to stay and your relationship with your boyfriend, unknown's about your job, there's 190 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.039 one thing that that is known, that if you go through with an abortion, 191 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.519 that baby is going to going to be killed. What's not a baby? 192 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.789 I'm only I'm only like, I don't know, maybe for maybe five 193 00:12:31.909 --> 00:12:35.429 weeks. Yeah. Well, I mean, you just did say earlier that 194 00:12:35.669 --> 00:12:39.149 you didn't want to bring this baby into the world. Well, that's that 195 00:12:39.470 --> 00:12:41.590 was just so you would know what I was talking about. It's just a 196 00:12:41.669 --> 00:12:45.340 compass house, okay. Yeah, well, I want to show you in 197 00:12:45.379 --> 00:12:48.259 the brochure right here actually, it talks a little bit about how your baby's 198 00:12:48.299 --> 00:12:52.700 formed in the womb and your baby right here, as it says in the 199 00:12:52.740 --> 00:12:56.899 brochure at just eighteen to twenty one days after conception, actually as early as 200 00:12:58.059 --> 00:13:03.850 sixteen seventeen days after conception. Scientifically they've proven your baby's heart begins to beat 201 00:13:03.929 --> 00:13:09.370 that early. You believe that me now? Now, yeah, try. 202 00:13:09.450 --> 00:13:13.039 Even if you're four weeks, five weeks long, your baby's hearts already been 203 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.919 beaten for a couple weeks now. This is the Bible certainly speaks of the 204 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.080 humanity to your child, that God loves your child, but scientifically, the 205 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:26.120 science has proven your baby's alive, like that child is a living human being, 206 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:30.190 your honor, your daughter. Well, well, yeah, but, 207 00:13:30.470 --> 00:13:33.549 but, well, okay, so maybe that's true, but that still doesn't 208 00:13:33.549 --> 00:13:39.190 change the fact that I'm gonna lose, you know, my home, yeah, 209 00:13:39.309 --> 00:13:43.419 and maybe my job. Yeah, if what I'm saying is true, 210 00:13:43.539 --> 00:13:48.539 though, I think about it, if your baby is really a living human 211 00:13:48.580 --> 00:13:52.220 being, that's really your son or your daughter, and I get your struggles 212 00:13:52.259 --> 00:13:54.539 are difficult, and I'm not saying that they're not, and I'm certainly not 213 00:13:54.700 --> 00:13:58.850 pretending it's going to be easy. But if what I'm saying is true, 214 00:13:58.090 --> 00:14:05.809 isn't that baby worth being protected? Well, yeah, and a perfect world, 215 00:14:07.250 --> 00:14:11.480 but you know, this isn't perfect. This is yeah, and I 216 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:13.399 don't. I don't imagine when you were born, that you were born in 217 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.679 a perfect scenario, right. I don't imagine that your mom had it all 218 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.519 together and I never knew, I never knew my dad. Yes, there's 219 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.429 there's no dad and I and you know, life was hard. Yeah, 220 00:14:24.549 --> 00:14:28.669 Hasolutely Dad. I don't want to. What about my baby? I don't. 221 00:14:28.710 --> 00:14:31.990 I don't want my baby to have to suffer and struggle like that. 222 00:14:31.389 --> 00:14:35.710 Sure, yeah, I get it, but the truth is, if you 223 00:14:35.830 --> 00:14:39.740 have an abortion, your baby is going to suffer in struggle by the instruments 224 00:14:39.860 --> 00:14:43.100 of of death at that abortionist is going to use. So you have to 225 00:14:43.139 --> 00:14:46.700 think about that. I understand you want to save your baby, you want 226 00:14:46.740 --> 00:14:50.299 to save yourself from from struggle, but believing that somehow abortion is going to 227 00:14:50.460 --> 00:14:54.169 going to make that not happen, there's not going to be struggle. Listen, 228 00:14:54.450 --> 00:14:56.809 your circumstance, the you're in right now. Think about it. You've 229 00:14:56.809 --> 00:15:01.009 got a boyfriend that's pressuring you to have an abortion. Yeah, you think 230 00:15:01.049 --> 00:15:03.730 that after you have the abortion, somehow that the relationship is going to be 231 00:15:03.889 --> 00:15:09.519 magically made better. And he's already using manipulation. He's already using pressure, 232 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:13.440 I would guess. I'm not going to imply anything, but I would guess 233 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.000 that he's used these tactics in the past for other things. Yeah, he's 234 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.279 an exactually kind of a jerk. Yeah, he is kind of a jerk, 235 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:24.789 but on that point I would probably agree. Well, I mean, 236 00:15:24.870 --> 00:15:28.870 I don't yeah, yeah, I mean, if, but but I'm trapped, 237 00:15:28.990 --> 00:15:31.950 right, he's. Yes, he's paining them. That's really what I'm 238 00:15:31.950 --> 00:15:35.710 saying is you're not trapped. That the people that are standing right here on 239 00:15:35.820 --> 00:15:39.299 this sidewalk, folks that are standing right here, that woman over there, 240 00:15:39.340 --> 00:15:43.340 the guy over there. Yeah, these people are here to help. You 241 00:15:43.820 --> 00:15:46.620 can see that. Can they get me a place to stay? Absolutely, 242 00:15:46.659 --> 00:15:48.419 yeah, really, yeah. As a matter of fact, listen, before 243 00:15:48.500 --> 00:15:52.049 we you've got an appointment. I understand that you want to go into the 244 00:15:52.049 --> 00:15:54.929 abortion center and keep your appointment. Yeah, pressure and things going on in 245 00:15:56.009 --> 00:15:58.490 your life, I get it. Yeah, but why not, just just 246 00:15:58.610 --> 00:16:00.370 for a moment? It was just take a breather, okay, and just 247 00:16:00.450 --> 00:16:04.360 pull right over there at that ultra sound you see that bright colored RV there? 248 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.159 Just pull right over there. There's a nurse on board I'll have one 249 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.440 of our female counselors come over. She'll talk with you and they'll just get 250 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:15.440 some basic information from you. They'll let you take a pregnancy test. You 251 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:17.960 can have an ultrasound for free. No, the stuff that we have is 252 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.149 going to cost you anything, and and you can go on from there. 253 00:16:22.190 --> 00:16:25.350 No one's going to stop you from going into the abortion center. And then, 254 00:16:25.389 --> 00:16:29.470 if you choose to keep your baby, you already have the Medicaid confirmation 255 00:16:29.549 --> 00:16:32.110 of pregnancy if you need Medicaid. I don't know that you do, but 256 00:16:32.429 --> 00:16:34.700 if you need that, that'll be I sure would. But that you know, 257 00:16:34.980 --> 00:16:37.860 those people, they're on the other side of the window, are telling 258 00:16:37.899 --> 00:16:41.580 me just that you lie and that I need to just ignore you and pull 259 00:16:41.659 --> 00:16:44.980 in. Well, of course they're the people. They get paid to do 260 00:16:45.100 --> 00:16:47.649 the abortions. They're gonna they're going to want you to go and have the 261 00:16:47.690 --> 00:16:51.129 abortion because they make money off of the guests. We're of their going to 262 00:16:51.210 --> 00:16:56.210 be after you've had the abortion and where to be found? I'm not going 263 00:16:56.250 --> 00:16:59.970 to be offering you help. If you've got regrets. There are you like? 264 00:17:00.250 --> 00:17:00.960 Are you that? Why do you do this? Where are you? 265 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:03.880 Why are you here? Trying to. I mean it, this baby, 266 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.200 you don't know this baby. Why do you care? That's true. I 267 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.480 care because the Lord cares about you. He cares about your baby. He 268 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.150 saved me. He rescued me. I was a dad at seventeen years old 269 00:17:15.230 --> 00:17:18.829 in high school. Wow, the Lord has really turned my life right side 270 00:17:18.829 --> 00:17:22.589 up by what he's done in my life. And what happened? Did you 271 00:17:22.750 --> 00:17:25.750 did you keep the baby? Yeah, yeah, our daughters twenty three years 272 00:17:25.789 --> 00:17:29.390 old now and she's a blessing from the Lord. Wow. I remember thinking 273 00:17:29.470 --> 00:17:34.059 those thoughts that abortion might be the best option. But thank God my girlfriend, 274 00:17:34.099 --> 00:17:37.420 who's now my wife, Oh, wow, she's life. She was 275 00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:40.819 fifteen, I was seventeen. That was a difficult situation. Wow. But 276 00:17:40.940 --> 00:17:45.890 the Lord redeemed it. And in that situation, not not exactly like yours, 277 00:17:45.930 --> 00:17:48.849 but much like your situation, where there was this pressure and there was 278 00:17:48.930 --> 00:17:55.089 this this temptation to trust abortion and to go that way, God graciously use 279 00:17:55.170 --> 00:17:59.079 that terrible situation, which we couldn't see any into any light of the end 280 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:02.720 of the tunnel. God Use that situation to turn our lives right side up, 281 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:04.559 and so he can do that to you. What you've got to do 282 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.279 is you've got to put your trust in him, and this is really, 283 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:11.079 really a trust issue. Will you trust him? Are you going to trust 284 00:18:11.950 --> 00:18:15.710 those people that are getting paid to take the life of your baby? I, 285 00:18:17.069 --> 00:18:18.349 like I said, I don't know. I don't know how much I 286 00:18:18.589 --> 00:18:22.750 believe in in God right now or to trust him. But but you say 287 00:18:22.829 --> 00:18:26.180 it's free. Yeah, no, and no one know. I mean I 288 00:18:26.460 --> 00:18:30.460 I got to get an ultrasound. I guess in there is it, isn't 289 00:18:30.500 --> 00:18:33.539 it make can I just go in there and well, they're going to charge 290 00:18:33.579 --> 00:18:36.579 you money and there to get the ultrasound and then often times they're not going 291 00:18:36.619 --> 00:18:38.900 to show you the ultrasound. WHO wonder why they wouldn't show you the ultrasound? 292 00:18:38.900 --> 00:18:41.490 Mean, think about it. Why? Why are they afraid if it's 293 00:18:41.529 --> 00:18:45.450 just a blob of tissue, a clump of cells? We've talked to many 294 00:18:45.609 --> 00:18:48.690 women that have gone in there. They've paid a hundred eighty five dollars for 295 00:18:48.730 --> 00:18:52.170 the ultrasound and they won't even show it to him. And that kind of 296 00:18:52.170 --> 00:18:56.599 scanal with HMM, yeah, there's would I saw on the ultrasound? You 297 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.599 you think I would actually see a heart? Couldn't? Can I see you 298 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:00.839 hard. Well, I think, depending on how far along you are. 299 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:06.359 If you're correct and thinking that you're four weeks along, probably too early to 300 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:10.829 really see anything, but I would guess that you're maybe a little further along 301 00:19:10.990 --> 00:19:14.269 than that and I think the nurse on board would certainly be able to pin 302 00:19:14.349 --> 00:19:18.430 that down for you and and get you the get you in the right direction. 303 00:19:18.990 --> 00:19:22.589 So you just so, you said you would. I wouldn't be homeless. 304 00:19:22.630 --> 00:19:25.180 You you'd be able to find me a place. Absolutely. Yeah, 305 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:27.099 we have all kinds of ministries in the Charlotte area. You from the Charlotte 306 00:19:27.099 --> 00:19:30.460 area? Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, we have ministries. You 307 00:19:30.579 --> 00:19:33.380 know, even if you're not from the Charlotte area, we have connections with 308 00:19:33.460 --> 00:19:37.539 ministries all over the southeast here. Yeah, but I don't I don't know. 309 00:19:37.740 --> 00:19:42.210 I mean I'm like, what about all the things I would need? 310 00:19:42.250 --> 00:19:47.769 I I I'm just barely making it. That's why my boyfriend kicks me out, 311 00:19:47.769 --> 00:19:49.210 and not only do I have no place to live, but I can 312 00:19:49.329 --> 00:19:53.839 barely afford even food for us. Yeah, that alone. I mean a 313 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:57.960 baby. Yeah, I can't. I don't have anyone that's going to be 314 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:03.559 giving me things. And so what what would I do? Yeah. Well, 315 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:06.559 again, I'm not pretending the situation is going to be going to be 316 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:08.950 perfect, that everything's going to be provided or anything like that, but we 317 00:20:10.029 --> 00:20:12.990 do have resources to meet your needs. We've got got churches from all over 318 00:20:14.029 --> 00:20:17.509 the Charlotte area that will walk alongside you, that will help you with some 319 00:20:17.589 --> 00:20:21.230 of those financial struggles, will throw you a baby shower, given many of 320 00:20:21.269 --> 00:20:23.859 the things that you need for your baby. Will will help you out with 321 00:20:25.059 --> 00:20:27.900 diapers and formula. Will help you again to find a place to stay. 322 00:20:29.019 --> 00:20:33.220 We've helped women get plugged into a maternity home or apartment. We can help 323 00:20:33.220 --> 00:20:37.089 you with all kinds of stuff. It's really just kind of a one step 324 00:20:37.130 --> 00:20:40.369 at a time, like, take the first good step, do the do 325 00:20:40.529 --> 00:20:45.890 the first right thing and then the other things will come along as you put 326 00:20:45.930 --> 00:20:48.769 your trust in the Lord. You're saying I could go see my baby right 327 00:20:48.769 --> 00:20:53.240 now. Yeah, absolutely, okay, and no strings attached. Every strings 328 00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:56.000 attached, I mean. Mean I certainly don't want you to go in there 329 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.079 and take the life of your baby. I don't want that to happen, 330 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.509 but I can't stop you. So if you go on that mobiltra sound unit, 331 00:21:03.549 --> 00:21:06.630 you see your baby, you decide. You know, I still got 332 00:21:06.750 --> 00:21:08.990 to do this. I still got to have the abortion. There's nothing we 333 00:21:10.029 --> 00:21:11.029 can do to stop you. We're going to not going to lock you in 334 00:21:11.069 --> 00:21:14.630 the in the in the RV. You can step right out and go and 335 00:21:14.710 --> 00:21:17.950 keep your appointment at the abortion center. But I do think they would be 336 00:21:18.029 --> 00:21:21.940 good for you this. Do at least give your baby a chance. Just 337 00:21:22.099 --> 00:21:23.900 give your child a chance. You, obviously, you've been talking to me 338 00:21:25.539 --> 00:21:30.500 for fifteen, twenty minutes now. Obviously, to me, you don't want 339 00:21:30.539 --> 00:21:34.009 to do this. Well, to tell you the truth, I didn't sleep 340 00:21:34.049 --> 00:21:40.569 at all last night. Yeah, and I was I don't pray. I 341 00:21:40.730 --> 00:21:45.450 haven't prayed in a long time, right, but I mean I was just 342 00:21:45.970 --> 00:21:49.960 thinking, God, if, if you're there, just give me a sign. 343 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:55.160 Yeah, he's maybe, I don't know, maybe this is I don't 344 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.240 know, maybe this has got sign. Yeah, I mean, think about 345 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:00.960 it. You just showed up to an abortion clinic. Yeah, you probably 346 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.549 thought if you did see people out here, they're just going to be yelling 347 00:22:03.589 --> 00:22:04.470 at you. Yeah, that's what they told me. Yeah, I, 348 00:22:04.750 --> 00:22:07.789 and I and yet you stopped and talk to me. We've been having a 349 00:22:07.829 --> 00:22:11.990 conversation for quite a while. Yeah, I look like some mean, angry 350 00:22:11.069 --> 00:22:15.740 person to you, not like what they described. Yeah, then you've got 351 00:22:15.779 --> 00:22:18.099 a whole sidewalk full of people out here. Yeah, they're offering help. 352 00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:22.819 You got a free ultrasound, free pregnancy test right there. I think this 353 00:22:22.940 --> 00:22:26.420 might be an answer to the prayer that you pray and got to give me 354 00:22:26.460 --> 00:22:29.819 a sign. This is your sign. I mean I think if you prayed 355 00:22:29.900 --> 00:22:33.769 that, the Lord answered it. He did his part. Want you do 356 00:22:33.849 --> 00:22:37.849 yours. Just go see your baby on the ultrasound. HMM, well, 357 00:22:37.890 --> 00:22:41.329 maybe I'll just go in and, you know, and let them know. 358 00:22:41.769 --> 00:22:45.960 Yeah, well, listen, I get it. You got an appointment. 359 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.480 Yeah, feel like you got to keep that appointment. Yeah, I certainly 360 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.240 understand that. But, as I mentioned, these people are the ones zip 361 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.839 make money. They are the ones that get paid and once you get inside 362 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:57.519 of that place, they're going to have a hook in you and they're going 363 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:03.069 to try to everything they can to make you go through with this abortion again. 364 00:23:03.150 --> 00:23:06.269 They're they're a business. That said happen. If you heard that, 365 00:23:06.630 --> 00:23:11.150 that absolutely, absolutely it happens. Wow, because, again, you think 366 00:23:11.190 --> 00:23:15.339 about it, they're they're a business that makes money off of abortions. They 367 00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:18.980 don't want use, while they told you that we're a bunch of angry, 368 00:23:18.059 --> 00:23:22.180 mean protesters out here, because they don't want you to stop and talk with 369 00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:25.259 us. They don't want you to go on that RV because they know that 370 00:23:25.380 --> 00:23:29.490 you'll see there your baby, quite possibly, and you'll realize that that baby 371 00:23:29.569 --> 00:23:32.769 has value and you need to protect it and not go through with the abortion. 372 00:23:33.009 --> 00:23:36.609 What do I do about my boyfriend? Yeah, I mean, he's 373 00:23:36.650 --> 00:23:40.049 going to be mad, sure, but I think about it, this is 374 00:23:40.130 --> 00:23:42.799 a guy who's pressuring you to do something that you said earlier you don't really 375 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:47.400 want to do. Is that really a guy that you need to be concerned 376 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:51.039 about his opinion? Think about it, he's trying to pressure you to take 377 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:55.200 the life of his own child. Yeah, I mean mean, you know, 378 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:59.509 like I said, sometimes he's a real jerk. But is there someone 379 00:23:59.549 --> 00:24:03.829 that would talk to him? Yeah, absolutely love to have lunch with him, 380 00:24:03.869 --> 00:24:07.430 sit down with him if he's willing to. I'll call him on the 381 00:24:07.509 --> 00:24:11.099 phone, I'll text him whatever, I'll try to reach out to him and 382 00:24:11.420 --> 00:24:18.660 maybe I've seen situations, actually quite a few situations, where the guy is 383 00:24:18.940 --> 00:24:22.619 pressuring the woman to have an abortion. Yeah, and yet after she chooses 384 00:24:22.819 --> 00:24:26.369 life and she decides she's not going to have the abortion. He backs off 385 00:24:26.490 --> 00:24:32.450 and then ends up embracing fatherhood and is like actually a pretty good guy, 386 00:24:32.650 --> 00:24:36.329 like God can use this situation to turn his life around. To it is 387 00:24:36.369 --> 00:24:38.960 that what happened to you in some measure, that's what happened to me. 388 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:45.599 Yeah, and I know from from talking to many men. Sometimes, maybe 389 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:51.000 I don't know the whole situation. He could just be a complete jerk or 390 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:53.549 he could maybe he's never had a father in his life. Maybe he's never 391 00:24:53.710 --> 00:24:57.390 seen it it is to be a dacent. He doesn't and honestly he just 392 00:24:57.589 --> 00:25:02.670 I mean, this happened so fast. I haven't really known him all that 393 00:25:02.869 --> 00:25:06.109 long, but we moved in together and, yeah, I got pregnant and 394 00:25:06.750 --> 00:25:10.980 he doesn't have kids and he just got a new job. So, yeah, 395 00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:12.980 he was kind of freaking out. Yeah, and he's speaking from a 396 00:25:14.059 --> 00:25:18.779 place of fear. Yeah, and probably is scared of even the prospect of 397 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:22.650 being a dad. But here's the reality, here's what I want you to 398 00:25:22.730 --> 00:25:27.089 understand. Right before you on that mobile units probably says as much as I 399 00:25:27.130 --> 00:25:30.769 can say. I think it would be important for you just to go over 400 00:25:30.809 --> 00:25:33.450 there talk to the nurse there, get a pregnancy test. ULDER sound. 401 00:25:33.529 --> 00:25:37.880 Think that'd be good. But I will say this, whatever the situation is, 402 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:45.359 your baby is precious. You're a mother already. Your boyfriend, he's 403 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.519 a father already. That's not something that's going to happen in the undefined future. 404 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.910 He's going to be a dad. You're going to be a mom. 405 00:25:52.750 --> 00:25:56.269 You're already a mom. There's a baby inside of your womb right now that's 406 00:25:56.349 --> 00:26:03.109 alive right now. That child is your son or your daughter, and to 407 00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:06.740 go inside of that place and to pay them your money to take the life 408 00:26:06.779 --> 00:26:10.859 of your baby, ultimately that's going to lead to the destruction of your child. 409 00:26:10.900 --> 00:26:12.779 Your son or daughter will die, and that's the truth of what abortion 410 00:26:12.819 --> 00:26:15.339 does, and I know they didn't want you to understand that truth. Inside 411 00:26:15.339 --> 00:26:18.809 of their they want you to believe it's just a Blob of tissue. Yeah, 412 00:26:18.809 --> 00:26:22.650 that's what they said. Of course, a product of conception and yeah, 413 00:26:22.009 --> 00:26:25.569 it would be okay and it wasn't a really big deal. Does it 414 00:26:25.650 --> 00:26:30.690 hurt to abortions her? Wow, I've never had one myself, but I 415 00:26:30.769 --> 00:26:33.599 have talked to many women that have. Yeah, and even with the abortion 416 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:37.720 pill, sometimes people imagine like that's that's a little less. Yeah, that's 417 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.039 what I would ever, because, yeah, I don't. I wouldn't do 418 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:44.839 the surgery because, yeah, that rips. I heard that rips the you 419 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.029 know, product of conception apart. But I don't know. That was gross. 420 00:26:48.109 --> 00:26:52.109 But but a pill, I mean you just take a pill and right. 421 00:26:52.150 --> 00:26:56.269 Yeah, yeah, even that is a pretty violent procedure. You read 422 00:26:56.309 --> 00:27:00.349 the paperwork they give you. Inside of there, it'll tell you that went 423 00:27:00.390 --> 00:27:03.299 out of five hundred women that take the abortion pill to go through the abortion 424 00:27:03.339 --> 00:27:07.819 peel procedure will require a blood transfusion. Oh Wow, so they probably told 425 00:27:07.819 --> 00:27:10.299 you they don't just be like a minstrel. Yeah, Cole, yeah, 426 00:27:10.339 --> 00:27:12.539 that's what they said. Yeah, that's not true. So, matter of 427 00:27:12.579 --> 00:27:17.609 fact, there are many people that have had a gone through the abortion peel 428 00:27:17.650 --> 00:27:23.410 procedure and have put their testimonies online of how pretty, pretty gruesome it was. 429 00:27:25.009 --> 00:27:26.970 You're going to be bleeding again. If you read the paperwork that they 430 00:27:27.009 --> 00:27:30.519 give you, not just what they told you, but read the fine print 431 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:34.880 in the paperwork, they say that you'll be passing golf ball size blood clots. 432 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:41.160 Yeah, yeah, that's awful. Is this picture here of does that 433 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.589 really happen? That's what in a abortion looks like. Yet that, yeah, 434 00:27:45.670 --> 00:27:49.789 that's an aboarded baby. That's a baby at about eleven weeks. That 435 00:27:49.910 --> 00:27:52.670 has been aboarded. Now you're earlier than that from what you told me. 436 00:27:52.869 --> 00:27:56.470 Yeah, but still, your baby has a head, arms, legs, 437 00:27:56.549 --> 00:28:00.579 fingers and toes. He or she they're they're very small. Yeah, but 438 00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:03.779 yet they're still going to be brutally killed a byut what goes on inside of 439 00:28:03.819 --> 00:28:07.299 that place. So, yeah, this is a graphic truth right here. 440 00:28:07.339 --> 00:28:10.980 You see it in our brochure. Yeah, of what abortion does. That's 441 00:28:11.019 --> 00:28:12.930 not in there just to GROC you out. That's in there to share with 442 00:28:14.009 --> 00:28:18.009 you the truth. Hey, the fact of the matter is you can believe 443 00:28:18.009 --> 00:28:19.970 the lie that it's a Blob of tissue or clump of cells and it's not 444 00:28:21.049 --> 00:28:23.609 a baby, but you're going to understand the truth about abortion. The stuff 445 00:28:23.609 --> 00:28:27.000 that I'm telling you, I'm not telling you out of just like my opinion. 446 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:33.119 I'm speaking from medical fact. I'm I'm speaking from a perspective of knowledge, 447 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.200 not just I'm not trying to sell you anything. I don't have anything 448 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:37.880 that I want you to buy from me. I'm not asking for you to 449 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.390 give me donations or anything like that. We have things we want to give 450 00:28:41.430 --> 00:28:45.589 you. So I have no reason to lie to you. And even if 451 00:28:45.589 --> 00:28:49.069 I was, you got a smartphone. There the stuff that I'm telling you. 452 00:28:49.190 --> 00:28:52.190 Check it out. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't dare to look 453 00:28:52.230 --> 00:28:57.660 at sure what what happened or what that baby looks at like. You know 454 00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:03.180 at the stage that I am. But yeah, maybe I should. Yeah, 455 00:29:03.460 --> 00:29:07.220 definitely. I mean you're going to understand the truth about abortion, right. 456 00:29:07.299 --> 00:29:08.700 They want you to believe this blabla tissue, a clump of sales, 457 00:29:08.779 --> 00:29:11.769 but you're not going to be able to help but to satisfy your curiosity, 458 00:29:12.529 --> 00:29:17.289 oftentimes only after you've had the abortion. Of really was what that guy saying 459 00:29:17.369 --> 00:29:22.089 true? Was My baby's heart really beating? My baby really have little arms 460 00:29:22.130 --> 00:29:25.359 and legs, fingers and toes with really a baby? And you're going to 461 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.599 find out that truth. So tell you what I think. There's been a 462 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.759 great conversation. I appreciate you stop it and talking, but why not just 463 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:36.440 pull over there? It's going board that mobiltrus on unit again. You can 464 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.230 step right off and go in the abortion of Gif you want to, but 465 00:29:38.309 --> 00:29:41.910 why not just go over there and just take advantage of that for free and 466 00:29:44.029 --> 00:29:48.150 and just see see what happens. All right, all right, I'll try, 467 00:29:48.190 --> 00:29:51.750 I'll give it a shot. I'll go on over, all right, 468 00:29:51.910 --> 00:29:56.660 cool, thank you. Yeah, thank you, faith. All right. 469 00:29:56.740 --> 00:30:00.779 Well, so that was our role playing scenarios. That was actually very realistic. 470 00:30:00.019 --> 00:30:03.059 Honestly, that is a very little the things that I said are, 471 00:30:03.259 --> 00:30:07.369 honestly, things that I've heard probably thousands of times. Yeah, yeah, 472 00:30:07.410 --> 00:30:10.529 you did it. You did a good job. Okay, did a good 473 00:30:10.529 --> 00:30:14.450 job. So so I will critique you now. Okay, said that so 474 00:30:14.569 --> 00:30:17.930 that our audience will know, because I've been again, I've been on both 475 00:30:17.930 --> 00:30:25.039 sides of this and both hearing the mom and and being the counselor, and 476 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:30.839 y asked a lot of questions. You were very empathetic. I got this 477 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.789 sense that you were hearing me, and that's really important. I've had many 478 00:30:34.869 --> 00:30:38.829 moms tell me that it's very important that you reflect upon what they have said 479 00:30:40.190 --> 00:30:44.309 and make sure they feel that they have been hurt. So you didn't minimize 480 00:30:44.349 --> 00:30:49.859 right the situation that I was in, but you introduced gently the reality. 481 00:30:49.900 --> 00:30:56.740 Yeah, you know, you reframed and rephrased what I was saying. From 482 00:30:56.900 --> 00:31:00.539 a completely different perspective than what I was seeing it from, and I was 483 00:31:00.579 --> 00:31:03.180 seeing it from a position of fear, which you said, yeah, and 484 00:31:03.329 --> 00:31:07.730 you were seeing it from God's eyes. And what? What? What was 485 00:31:07.970 --> 00:31:14.769 really happening? So that was that was really good. It kind of helped 486 00:31:14.890 --> 00:31:18.920 to just bring that. You were calm, yeah, and while I was 487 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.319 terrified and frantic. And so they bringing that calm. We've heard that over 488 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:29.039 and over again, that it that they feel calm and peace, and especially 489 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:32.200 once they get on. Yeah, v Absolutely. But so it's really important 490 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:33.509 when you're talking with the mom to be that way. And so so you 491 00:31:33.589 --> 00:31:37.670 were taking the name. That's one of those strategies that we do a lot. 492 00:31:37.750 --> 00:31:41.750 I purposely gave myself the name faith to see you would run with that 493 00:31:41.829 --> 00:31:47.619 one. But it's always good, I think. Oftentimes there's clues. Yeah, 494 00:31:47.660 --> 00:31:52.819 and so using those clues to to help. And then what when faith 495 00:31:53.059 --> 00:32:02.210 began to waiver, that you didn't you. You took your time before kind 496 00:32:02.210 --> 00:32:07.690 of making the closing point. Look, just why don't you go on the 497 00:32:07.769 --> 00:32:14.369 RV? You you helped her to come through the questions she asked in the 498 00:32:14.450 --> 00:32:16.240 concern she had, and you talking to through those who helped her to be 499 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.839 at a point where she was ready to say, all right, I'm willing 500 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.880 to go on there. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I'm always 501 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.279 going for, is if I can get them to go on that mobile unit, 502 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:30.390 if I can get them just away from that scenario, I know that 503 00:32:30.509 --> 00:32:35.509 the conversation can get more in depth. I know almost always that just that 504 00:32:35.630 --> 00:32:38.789 initial because I do try to ask that initial question. What makes you feel 505 00:32:38.789 --> 00:32:43.470 like abortion is an option for you? And the boyfriend thing was was the 506 00:32:43.589 --> 00:32:46.380 main thing there? Yeah, but quite possibly there are other issues. There's 507 00:32:46.420 --> 00:32:52.380 maybe even fear of pregnancy and faith mentioned that she had morning sickness and that 508 00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:55.420 was a situation. I didn't really get into too much depth with that. 509 00:32:55.660 --> 00:33:00.529 Yeah, but the nurse would right, they would get into all of that, 510 00:33:00.130 --> 00:33:05.009 and the fact that that wasn't mentioned right away as an indication to me 511 00:33:05.250 --> 00:33:07.289 that it probably is not the main issue. It's probably more of a like 512 00:33:07.450 --> 00:33:10.650 grasping at straws thing, like Oh, here's another thing, Oh and here's 513 00:33:10.690 --> 00:33:15.319 another thing, and so all these things are used as a justification. Right, 514 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:20.119 right, but the fact that that faith and these MOMS that we engage 515 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.039 with are continuing in the conversation. That's as a good sign, that is 516 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.920 a good sound. That's an indication. Yeah, and that there's still some 517 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.950 response going on. Yeah, that's an indication conflict, that there is conflict, 518 00:33:30.950 --> 00:33:34.269 or she wouldn't have bothered. It's usually the mom's where they just their 519 00:33:34.349 --> 00:33:37.230 mind really or they think their mind is made up. In my opinion, 520 00:33:37.309 --> 00:33:40.980 no one's mind effor really is right made up, and you truly can make 521 00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:47.460 headway with everyone if just the right either questions or demean or whatever. But 522 00:33:49.339 --> 00:33:54.019 but yeah, when someone will engage that long, it's almost always there's a 523 00:33:54.730 --> 00:34:00.490 significant amount of yeah, yeah, absolutely. Something also that we divulged in 524 00:34:00.730 --> 00:34:06.930 in this little play acting was she faith. said she didn't really believe in 525 00:34:07.049 --> 00:34:09.199 God and she had been a you know, gone to church as a little 526 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:14.679 girl, Akay, but then she was talking about that she had prayed for 527 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.679 a sign. And while it sounds like maybe I was just being easy on 528 00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:22.760 you and giving you some ammunition so that you know you didn't like make fool 529 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.590 of yourself in our podcast, honestly that happens all the time in the discussions 530 00:34:27.630 --> 00:34:30.750 with the women. They will they will say they don't bring God into the 531 00:34:30.789 --> 00:34:36.269 equation, but then when you do, they do, they actually give an 532 00:34:36.309 --> 00:34:42.380 indication that, yeah, they're feeling bad before God over what they are thinking 533 00:34:42.380 --> 00:34:45.139 about doing. Yeah, so that's another, I think, keep point to 534 00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:47.500 keep in mind. Don't, don't give up on God. Yeah, if 535 00:34:47.780 --> 00:34:52.579 keep seeing if you can reintroduce, which you did over and over again, 536 00:34:52.659 --> 00:34:58.449 of course, reintroducing God into the discussion. And at finally, and this 537 00:34:58.530 --> 00:35:01.130 is the way it often evolves, and in my experience counseling, finally she 538 00:35:01.250 --> 00:35:04.409 gave in and said, you know what, as a matter of fact, 539 00:35:04.409 --> 00:35:07.840 I was concerned and praying for a sign. Yeah, yeah, and that 540 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:13.519 is a common comedy sing. Yep, absolutely. Yeah. So let's give 541 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.599 the folks a little bit of the perspective of an abortion minded dad. Okay, 542 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:21.909 so in this scenario, you're the counselor. Okay, I'm the abortion 543 00:35:21.989 --> 00:35:24.429 minded dad. Is the MOM in. She's she's in the in there, 544 00:35:24.630 --> 00:35:29.230 or she in the car. So she's she's in the abortion clinic. Okay, 545 00:35:29.429 --> 00:35:32.269 she's already gone in and checked in for her appointment. I'm pulling out 546 00:35:34.590 --> 00:35:38.420 and I'm I'm kind of okay with her having the abortion, but if it 547 00:35:38.460 --> 00:35:42.900 were me, I wouldn't have the abortion. Like it was my body, 548 00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:45.219 then I wouldn't do it. Since it's her body, it's not really my 549 00:35:45.420 --> 00:35:49.380 thing. Yeah, so that's kind of the scenario. In by the way, 550 00:35:49.420 --> 00:35:54.050 that's a very common scenario. Yeah, sort like this apathetic, really, 551 00:35:54.329 --> 00:35:58.769 really complacent kind of attitude that many of these men have. So that's 552 00:35:58.849 --> 00:36:01.690 the scenario. I'm pulling out of the abortion center and I've stopped in the 553 00:36:01.730 --> 00:36:07.480 driveway to take your information, and that's the scenario. Okay, ready for 554 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.840 so, Hey, hey, there, do you mind stopping just for a 555 00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.039 second, just let me give you some information. The chaking up. Yeah, 556 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.349 well, yeah, so did you information? Well, it's it's our 557 00:36:19.429 --> 00:36:23.550 list of resources help that we have it. It talks about what actually happens 558 00:36:23.670 --> 00:36:27.429 in an abortion. It talks about the development of the baby. Let me 559 00:36:27.550 --> 00:36:30.389 just show you see right here. Do you know how far you drop? 560 00:36:30.550 --> 00:36:34.059 Someone? I show you dropped Ya that you're your girlfriend. Okay, and 561 00:36:34.260 --> 00:36:37.099 how far long is she do you know? I mean, I think probably, 562 00:36:37.420 --> 00:36:40.659 like I think maybe she said seven eight weeks, seven or eight weeks. 563 00:36:40.699 --> 00:36:45.179 Okay. Is it your baby? Yeah, okay, it is your 564 00:36:45.219 --> 00:36:49.130 baby. So how do you feel about your your baby's going to die today 565 00:36:49.610 --> 00:36:52.530 in Um. Well, I'm first of all, I don't think it's a 566 00:36:52.610 --> 00:36:58.090 baby. Okay, but I mean I'm a guy, yeah, he's a 567 00:36:58.130 --> 00:37:01.519 girl. Yeah, I can't have kids, okay, I can. Yeah, 568 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:06.320 and I can't get pregnant. She can. Okay, so I mean 569 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.599 maybe, I think maybe. If it was my decision, I'd say probably 570 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.079 not. I mean, yeah, could be a kid, could not be. 571 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.670 I don't know. Okay, but I'm kind of leaving it on her. 572 00:37:16.710 --> 00:37:20.630 I'm just here to support her. Okay. Well, yeah, you 573 00:37:20.710 --> 00:37:23.190 know, I I get you want to respect her as a woman. But 574 00:37:23.389 --> 00:37:28.630 okay, first of all, you said it it's not baby. Well, 575 00:37:29.070 --> 00:37:31.179 so you said seven or eight weeks. Yeah, along. Okay. So 576 00:37:31.420 --> 00:37:37.260 do you know that by as early as seventeen to eighteen days following conception, 577 00:37:38.179 --> 00:37:44.409 that little baby in her womb already has a beating heart? YEA, that, 578 00:37:44.570 --> 00:37:47.849 yeah, yeah, then did you know that it's six weeks that child 579 00:37:47.969 --> 00:37:53.090 in the womb has detectable brain waves? Okay, okay, well, so 580 00:37:53.369 --> 00:38:00.800 tell me. Does a beating heart brain waves? What do you think is 581 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.679 in there then? If it's not a baby, what is it? Well, 582 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.719 I mean, I hadn't I'm but a whole lot of thought to it. 583 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.960 Yeah, but I mean, okay, it's a baby. Okay, 584 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.349 yeah, and how about let me ask you if when do you think it 585 00:38:16.469 --> 00:38:22.909 became human it is she carrying like a lion in there? Japan's year, 586 00:38:22.949 --> 00:38:25.309 no, now, think. Okay, okay, so when do you think 587 00:38:25.309 --> 00:38:30.860 it became a little human being? Wow, I'd say when she got pregnant. 588 00:38:30.980 --> 00:38:32.659 Right, yeah, right away. And and you know science backs becks 589 00:38:32.699 --> 00:38:36.820 me up on that, that from the moment of conception, all the human 590 00:38:36.860 --> 00:38:40.099 DNA that that little person will ever have is already there. Yeah, so, 591 00:38:40.530 --> 00:38:45.730 so let me ask you. So your you said that it's not really 592 00:38:45.849 --> 00:38:51.289 of your concern. It's it's I mean really, so again, like I'm 593 00:38:51.329 --> 00:38:53.170 a dude. Yeah, girl, yeah, I can get pregnant, she 594 00:38:53.329 --> 00:38:55.280 can. Right. Well, am I going to be telling her what to 595 00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:59.159 do with her body? Like right, but yeah, didn't seem like what 596 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.599 I should be doing. Yeah, yeah, okay. So, do you 597 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.119 believe in God? Yeah, I believe God. And God, what what 598 00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:10.429 do you think God would have you do? As the do you you're the 599 00:39:10.510 --> 00:39:14.710 father of the baby. We've agreed. Now it is a baby, a 600 00:39:14.829 --> 00:39:19.670 little human being, a little person, and you are this little person's father. 601 00:39:19.710 --> 00:39:22.190 Right, so what do you think? Do you know what the Bible 602 00:39:22.230 --> 00:39:29.460 says, or what God says about about your role as as a father of 603 00:39:29.500 --> 00:39:34.380 a baby? Wow, man, I haven't really thought about it in those 604 00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:37.139 terms. I guess I just kind of figured it was a medical thing that 605 00:39:37.300 --> 00:39:40.769 she needed to do and she wouldn't want to be pregnant anymore. So, 606 00:39:42.170 --> 00:39:45.090 yeah, I just would support her and what she wanted to do, right, 607 00:39:45.650 --> 00:39:50.929 I mean, after all, she does have a right to do this. 608 00:39:51.650 --> 00:39:55.159 Well, she she has the ability to go in there and and take 609 00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.119 the life of that child. But if if you say you, you claim 610 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.960 you love, you love God. Yeah, well, God says that that 611 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:08.630 baby is knitted together by him in the womb, wonderfully and fearfully made. 612 00:40:09.510 --> 00:40:15.030 That God uses the same word for an unborn baby as a born baby. 613 00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:17.670 Did you know that in the same word in the New Testament the word is 614 00:40:17.710 --> 00:40:22.460 brefos. So the God says in the sixth commandment. You know what that 615 00:40:22.619 --> 00:40:28.059 is? The sixth commandment? Um, you shall not judge. No, 616 00:40:28.659 --> 00:40:32.900 actually, it's that you shall not murder. And and can when the word 617 00:40:32.980 --> 00:40:37.050 murders used, what do you think that's applying to? Like, can you 618 00:40:37.090 --> 00:40:43.250 murder a cat? Wow, you can kill a cat, right. Murder 619 00:40:43.409 --> 00:40:45.929 is applied to human beings, though, and you said that's a human being. 620 00:40:46.050 --> 00:40:51.400 And if that was a two year old, that was your two year 621 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.639 old. You two hit had a two year old together, right, yeah, 622 00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:59.679 and she said, listen, that that two year old is causing a 623 00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:04.389 lot of struggle and problems for me and I have the right to take care 624 00:41:04.429 --> 00:41:08.309 of my mental health and emotional health. And so I'm and they're suffering. 625 00:41:08.389 --> 00:41:12.349 Yeah, and and so I'm going to go kill our two year old. 626 00:41:12.710 --> 00:41:15.550 which do you think? You would drive away and say with it? Okay. 627 00:41:15.630 --> 00:41:17.429 So, well, what do you think is the difference then? And 628 00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:22.739 and you said again you love, you love God, and I pointed out 629 00:41:22.780 --> 00:41:24.739 what God uses the same word for a baby that's born or a baby that's 630 00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:30.500 unborn. So what do you think? Will God look at this situation? 631 00:41:30.579 --> 00:41:34.449 Because one day the Bible says you will stand before God and give an accounting. 632 00:41:34.730 --> 00:41:37.250 Yeah, right, right, and you've probably heard, if you know 633 00:41:37.369 --> 00:41:39.010 God, you know your body, you know talks about that. You would 634 00:41:39.050 --> 00:41:42.849 give an accounting of what you have done here on earth. What do you 635 00:41:42.929 --> 00:41:49.440 think God, or what will you say to God when, if you were 636 00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.599 to allow to go kill that two year old. You know that's wrong. 637 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.760 Well, what will you say to God if you allow her to go or 638 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:02.190 do nothing to stop, till the moment that it's too late, the killing 639 00:42:02.269 --> 00:42:08.030 of that child? That little human understands like the stuff that we go through, 640 00:42:08.469 --> 00:42:15.030 like he understands we make bad choices and bad decisions, and so I 641 00:42:15.469 --> 00:42:19.780 think, even though it might not be the best thing, he understands. 642 00:42:20.539 --> 00:42:24.099 Well, thank God, is God understands everything. God understands everything. He's 643 00:42:24.139 --> 00:42:30.610 God. He knows everything. But he is very clear that we are not 644 00:42:30.210 --> 00:42:35.289 to sin. that he doesn't want. What God desires of us is that 645 00:42:35.449 --> 00:42:39.730 we will follow and obey him. He didn't make the ten commandments so that 646 00:42:39.969 --> 00:42:44.800 we would disregard them. In fact, he says follow these. He says 647 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.280 I set before you life or death, blessing or curse. Therefore, choose 648 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.920 life. He wants us to do what's right and to choose to follow him, 649 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:57.800 and too literally in that case, choose life. So, just because 650 00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:04.309 God gives us the ability to wander from him, that isn't his desire, 651 00:43:04.710 --> 00:43:10.630 and in fact there is. There's consequences, and oftentimes severe consequences, when 652 00:43:10.789 --> 00:43:15.780 we wander from God. And when we don't obey him. Yeah, so 653 00:43:15.219 --> 00:43:19.699 maybe you know. I mean you. You're here. You said this is 654 00:43:19.780 --> 00:43:23.340 your girlfriend. And what do you think the Bible says about sex outside of 655 00:43:23.420 --> 00:43:31.730 marriage? Obviously conceived a baby. So I mean you, we all sin, 656 00:43:32.130 --> 00:43:37.329 okay, right, but specifically you're kind of hedging the question here. 657 00:43:37.369 --> 00:43:40.639 So maybe you know the answer. God's pretty clear about sex out side of 658 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.320 marriage. It's we're not to do it, right. Did it lead you 659 00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.320 to a place you want to be? Do you want to be here watching 660 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:52.920 your baby getting okay, so we when you wandered from God's Commandment Command Men's 661 00:43:53.440 --> 00:44:00.750 about sexual purity, it didn't lead to a place where you want to be. 662 00:44:00.869 --> 00:44:02.190 In in fact, it's led to a place where you are now in 663 00:44:02.269 --> 00:44:09.940 a position where you are going to allow, or at least not stop, 664 00:44:10.539 --> 00:44:15.340 or do everything in your power to stop, the killing of an innocent human 665 00:44:15.420 --> 00:44:21.780 being, that is your son or daughter. Yeah, and so God's Commandments. 666 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:24.849 Do you think he gives that those commandments to Spoil Your Fun? No, 667 00:44:25.409 --> 00:44:32.409 but I mean if I agreed with you and if I was like thinking 668 00:44:32.489 --> 00:44:37.329 that we shouldn't do this, she's already in there. Yeah, she is. 669 00:44:37.769 --> 00:44:38.960 She is what am I going to do? Yeah, well, dragger 670 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.760 out or me? Yeah, no, you, you know you like. 671 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.440 Like you said, you can't force, you can't force and none of us 672 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:50.320 can force. I can't force you to go in there and and much as 673 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.030 I'd like to, I can't to push you to go in there and and 674 00:44:52.630 --> 00:44:54.789 speak for your baby. But I will tell you I've been out here a 675 00:44:54.909 --> 00:45:01.710 long time and I have seen men that have gone in at this last ditch 676 00:45:02.429 --> 00:45:08.699 moment and asked to speak to the woman, and sometimes they won't let them 677 00:45:08.780 --> 00:45:13.860 because they know what's going to happen. They know that someone might talk that 678 00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:16.500 woman out of an abortion and they want their money for the abortion. Yeah, 679 00:45:16.659 --> 00:45:19.980 but you can go in there. We've had men go in there and 680 00:45:20.019 --> 00:45:23.050 say, Hey, it's a family emergency, I need to talk to my 681 00:45:23.210 --> 00:45:27.730 girlfriend, and that's not a lie, by the way. This is a 682 00:45:27.969 --> 00:45:31.489 family emergency. That is your family, that is your son or daughter that 683 00:45:31.690 --> 00:45:37.440 is about to die. That's as big an emergency as you will ever face. 684 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.719 And so we have had men go in say that the woman come and 685 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:46.000 talk with them and the man stand up not only for the child but to 686 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:52.829 say I will be there for you, I will commit to doing for you 687 00:45:52.750 --> 00:45:59.349 whatever is necessary so that you feel that we can do this, that we 688 00:45:59.389 --> 00:46:04.940 can take care of this baby and allow this child, our child, to 689 00:46:05.059 --> 00:46:07.820 live. And I've had I've seen women leave. So let me ask you. 690 00:46:08.059 --> 00:46:12.619 Have you? Have you ever told her, no matter what, I 691 00:46:13.420 --> 00:46:15.139 will, I will take care of you, I will take care of that 692 00:46:15.300 --> 00:46:21.210 baby, I will do everything I can in my power our to be the 693 00:46:21.329 --> 00:46:25.769 father I'm supposed to be before God, to to that baby and to to 694 00:46:25.929 --> 00:46:30.849 make sure that you feel supported and not alone in this. Have you ever 695 00:46:30.929 --> 00:46:34.159 said something like that to her? I mean, not really, just kind 696 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.639 of told her maybe o fills up to me. I wouldn't want her to 697 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.679 do it, but I'll support her in whatever. Yeah, yeah, well, 698 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.119 you know how sometimes a woman perceives that, and I get I understand 699 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:50.710 what you think you're doing is being respectful. But what as a woman, 700 00:46:50.750 --> 00:46:54.230 I will tell you that sometimes, what that feels like, what I hear 701 00:46:54.590 --> 00:46:59.710 is you know, it's your problem. Yeah, you, you, you 702 00:46:59.909 --> 00:47:02.619 deal with it and you know I'm cool. Yeah, but but what I 703 00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:09.500 want to hear is that's my baby. I love that baby and I love 704 00:47:09.739 --> 00:47:13.659 you, and if you don't love her, obviously you can't say that, 705 00:47:13.820 --> 00:47:22.090 but I I know that that together we can do what is necessary to support 706 00:47:22.530 --> 00:47:27.889 and take care of this child and I'm sorry that I have put you in 707 00:47:28.010 --> 00:47:32.960 this position, but I'm going to step up to the responsibility as a man 708 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.360 and as a father of that child and I'm going to do what is necessary 709 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:45.070 so that you know that I am there to help you in this pregnancy and 710 00:47:45.269 --> 00:47:49.829 birth of this child and raising this child. Yeah, you think you could 711 00:47:49.829 --> 00:47:52.670 do that? Go back and I mean, I'll tell you, it may 712 00:47:52.829 --> 00:47:57.269 feel like like it's too late, but, like I said, I've been 713 00:47:57.309 --> 00:48:00.659 out here many years and it is not too late to that baby's dead. 714 00:48:00.699 --> 00:48:05.940 If you drive away now, then before God you're going to have to say, 715 00:48:06.019 --> 00:48:09.860 yeah, the baby was still alive, but I went to McDonald's to 716 00:48:09.940 --> 00:48:15.050 get launch, or before God you could say I went back in there and 717 00:48:15.170 --> 00:48:17.610 I did my very best for as long as I could to fight for that 718 00:48:17.809 --> 00:48:22.929 life of that child. and which do you think would please God more? 719 00:48:23.329 --> 00:48:25.929 And the last thing, yeah, going in there and, yeah, trying 720 00:48:25.969 --> 00:48:30.400 to talk with her. Yeah, and you can tell her when you go 721 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.239 in there and talk with her, you can talk about there's this lady that 722 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.320 I just spoke without here and here's the information she gave me, and she 723 00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.789 told me that we have all kinds of resources that can help. I mean 724 00:48:40.869 --> 00:48:44.309 some of the things you could go tell her. We have a baby shower 725 00:48:44.349 --> 00:48:47.989 that provides two years of what that baby will need. We have free pregnancy 726 00:48:49.070 --> 00:48:52.869 test, free ultrasound, we help with pregnancy medicate verification. We appoint a 727 00:48:52.989 --> 00:48:57.980 mentor who is someone that will walk alongside her, along with you, sir, 728 00:48:58.619 --> 00:49:04.539 for the entire pregnancy and beyond, and we'll address every single obstacle she 729 00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:07.820 faces and will be there, with the backing of a church to help her. 730 00:49:08.099 --> 00:49:13.730 If you go in and offer all those things, you might change her 731 00:49:13.769 --> 00:49:16.969 mind. We've seen it so many times. Would so you know if would 732 00:49:16.969 --> 00:49:21.170 you be willing to give that a shot? Yeah, I'll try. I 733 00:49:21.329 --> 00:49:22.849 see what I can do. Is Okay if I pray with you before you 734 00:49:22.929 --> 00:49:27.559 go in there? So, your heavenly father, I think that that this 735 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.760 young man knows what is the right thing to do before you and that he 736 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.559 wants to do the right thing and he's been afraid, but he knows now 737 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.750 that he can. He has the right. That's his child. He has 738 00:49:37.909 --> 00:49:42.829 the right and he even has the responsibility to go in there and fight for 739 00:49:42.949 --> 00:49:45.389 that baby as hard as he can, and I pray Lord, enable and 740 00:49:45.510 --> 00:49:51.070 empower him to do what is necessary, and may your Holy Spirit move in 741 00:49:51.190 --> 00:49:54.179 both of their hearts and turn their hearts not only to the precious life of 742 00:49:54.300 --> 00:50:01.460 that child but to you as well. In Jesus name, I pray right. 743 00:50:02.860 --> 00:50:07.730 So that's a little bit of a scenario between a counselor and an abortion 744 00:50:07.889 --> 00:50:13.570 minded dad. Hope it was informative equipping. There's all kinds of variables, 745 00:50:13.610 --> 00:50:16.369 all kinds of ways. Sometimes they're more passive, like I was being, 746 00:50:17.210 --> 00:50:22.880 and agreeable, sometimes they're not so agreeable. Will likely do some more role 747 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.039 playing of this is a blessing you guys. Let us know, because we'll 748 00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:29.480 likely do some more of this and just bring up some of these different scenarios 749 00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:34.760 again. We've encountered hundreds, thousands of conversations over the years and so we 750 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:38.269 could probably have all kinds of different angles to come from. Yet maybe in 751 00:50:38.269 --> 00:50:44.150 their comments they could, they could offer a situation they faced that has really 752 00:50:44.230 --> 00:50:46.949 difficult and we could maybe talk about role playing that. Yeah, yeah, 753 00:50:46.989 --> 00:50:51.019 so you could certainly reach out to us and let us know what some of 754 00:50:51.059 --> 00:50:54.539 those scenarios might be. You reach me at Daniel Love Life Dot Org. 755 00:50:54.579 --> 00:50:58.300 You reach her, Vicki, at Love Life Dot Org. I'm not going 756 00:50:58.340 --> 00:51:06.610 to critique you because that you might hurt me or something, but but I 757 00:51:06.730 --> 00:51:09.929 thought it was good. I think it's always listening in on people. It's 758 00:51:09.929 --> 00:51:14.570 always kind of a learning experience. So we hope it was a blessing you 759 00:51:14.690 --> 00:51:16.730 guys. We hope that you guys will share this podcast. Let it be 760 00:51:16.769 --> 00:51:22.079 a blessing to others. Let us know if you have suggestions for future podcast 761 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:23.880 for us. If you like this kind of thing, the role playing thing, 762 00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:28.559 we would certainly be more than willing to do more of this. So 763 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:37.789 let us know. But until next time, God bless give me love for 764 00:51:37.030 --> 00:51:50.179 love, give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me 765 00:51:50.380 --> 00:51:58.179 my life. Nothing's too precious, and some that you