Should People With Abortion in Their Past Be on the Sidewalk?

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.919 Here. I am telling people don't have an abortion, but I'm not admitting 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:08.359 that I had. It's a very different place of ministry when you've admitted it 3 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:13.119 and you're saying you know. I know that what you're going to go through 4 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:18.920 because I've done it and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I am yours. 5 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:23.879 I Am Yours, I am yours, and me, Lord, I 6 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:29.359 am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pro Life 7 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:34.840 Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life 8 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:41.159 ministry and always were a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt 9 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:53.640 show passish touch your Lord. Use Me, Lord. Hey, there everyone, 10 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:58.920 welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. I'm sorry, I almost 11 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:02.719 blew. It's all right. It is a podcast, not just a ministry. 12 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:07.079 It's both. But I'm here with Daniel Parks and I'm Vicki Kazi York. 13 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:14.159 We are sidewalk counselors and we have other roles in in our love life 14 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:19.599 ministry, but but we love the sidewalk. We Love we love the work 15 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.840 on the sidewalk to to try and plead for the lives of the unborn, 16 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:30.840 so to that end. We want to equip and encourage everybody that is called 17 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.040 to this ministry and that's why we do this podcast, to try and and 18 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:40.840 help people to feel more comfortable and equipped to do we pray that if you're 19 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:46.200 listening to this, so you're you're maybe either already involved in sidewalk ministry or 20 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.840 your contemplating being involved, and we pray that God will direct you clearly if 21 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.239 that that's where you should be. Yeah, I want to mention real quick. 22 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.599 I have forgotten to mention this in the past. Several effort episodes, 23 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:02.519 okay, but if you're interested in getting more of these podcasts, maybe somebody 24 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.280 sent you just one podcast episode or something like that and you're interested in more 25 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:14.439 of these podcast episodes, you can go on Gospel Centered prolifecom and that's all 26 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:16.960 of our episodes. As kind of a website, this is dedicated to these 27 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:21.800 podcast episodes. There's a search feature there. If there's, I don't know, 28 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:24.000 subjects or just keywords that you think, hey, wonder if they did 29 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:29.080 a podcast about that, you can search those keywords on that website, Gospel 30 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:34.039 Centered prolifecom. In it bring up all of the episodes that have that keyword 31 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.960 in them. Right. We've been doing this a long time, over two 32 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:43.360 years, and honestly we have hit so many topics over that time period. 33 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:50.039 We like to tell our missionaries if you watched every podcast we have ever produced, 34 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.199 you would probably never have any questions, yes, on what happens on 35 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.639 the sidewalk, because it's pretty comprehensive. Yeah, what we think is, 36 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.280 though, if, like they really don't watch the podcasted. I know I 37 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:05.599 keep getting that wrong to sometimes we taught thought about doing video, but we 38 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:10.400 have not yet. So you're listening to the podcast and just watching a still 39 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.560 picture of you. Some we do have them on Youtube. They're uploaded as 40 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.159 just like a still picture with your idea. So maybe you watch that right 41 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:23.919 our faces and never move the whole time. Hopefully you're you're equipped by that. 42 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:28.520 But either way, however you access these, they're out there to equip 43 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.080 and encourage you guys. That's right. That's right, and men it. 44 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:36.199 Many of them are developed when we do get a question right from one of 45 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:39.199 our sidewalk counselors, are missionaries, and that's how this one was developed. 46 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.319 Someone asked me, and I honestly I can't remember who, but but someone 47 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:47.520 said. You know, would you talk about what do you feel about someone 48 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:53.599 coming onto a into the role as a volunteer on the sidewalk if they are 49 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:59.520 post aboard of and have not had healing? Right? And that is such 50 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:05.639 a good question, because so many people that enter sidewalk counseling do so because 51 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:11.919 they know the truth, because of their personal experience with abortion. Yeah, 52 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:17.959 and so, and it's such a good question also because we know that if 53 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:24.360 Satan is real, spiritual warfare out there is intense. It is a very 54 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:30.079 difficult ministry. Yeah, and if you have not had he lean from your 55 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:36.279 own abortion, Satan canny you alive. Yeah. Yeah, the devil knows 56 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:42.639 which buttons to push, for sure, and healing actually removes those buttons. 57 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:46.240 Right when you got realing now to a degree. Yeah, I want to 58 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:53.199 mention, though, the reality second Corinthians, verse seventeen. If anyone is 59 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:56.399 in Christ, he is a new creation. Old Things have passed away. 60 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:00.680 Behold all things that become new. Right. So we believe in healing through 61 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:05.079 Jesus. We believe that your past sins when you become a Christian are washed 62 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:09.839 away. You're no longer who you used to be. Right. So we 63 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:14.399 believe that and there's a certain amount of healing. If you have abortion in 64 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.839 your past, for sure, no doubt you've been forgiven and a certain amount 65 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:24.199 of healing has been applied. But I will say that the Lord really wants 66 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:27.759 to get into the depths of those wounds and bring healings. And we talked 67 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:31.439 about post aboard of healing. We're talking about getting into a study. Surrendering 68 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:34.519 the secret is one of those studies. There's others. I don't forgiven and 69 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:40.560 set for you think, is another one. Stephanie Rhinehart, whose local here 70 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:46.199 in Charlotte, runs the post aboard of healing sort of area of ministry for 71 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.959 Love Life called restored life, and what she does as she networks with other 72 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:55.839 post aboard of healing ministries, organizations and Bible studies across the nation and gets 73 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.680 people plugged into the one that she thinks would best suit them right. And 74 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.439 she will tell you that, yes, you receive healing when you become a 75 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:09.639 Christian, but those wounds, those past wounds, don't truly get taken care 76 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.480 of until you bring that stuff to the light, because the devil's going to 77 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.959 use that stuff in your past to bring it back up to you to bring 78 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.959 guilt and shame, to neutralize you. It's going to be a button the 79 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:24.920 devil can push in your life and if you go through this healing process, 80 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.920 that button can be removed. The devil can't push that but anymore because you 81 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:32.319 brought it to the light. That's right. So what makes this a very 82 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:38.120 interesting topic with me being a cohost on this, is that I did not 83 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:42.680 do that. I did not have I did come to the Lord. I 84 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:46.759 came to the Lord thirty five years ago, I think it's been now. 85 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:51.439 But but I did not have any kind of post aboard of healing. Yeah, 86 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:57.240 program no, no program and and so I wanted to tell my story 87 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.360 a little bit, just just about the as I came onto the sidewalk, 88 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:09.879 because I do want to raise the thought that it is possible to do what 89 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:15.240 I did. Yeah, it's not recommended. I will tell you that's I'll 90 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.800 spoil the ending. It's not recommended and and you'll see why when I tell 91 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:24.959 my story. But but it is possible. So I came, I started 92 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.800 ten years ago, about ten years ago, it's nine and a half, 93 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.560 something like that, on the sidewalk and I had not told anyone about my 94 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:39.399 own abortion, including my children. So I came because of that abortion. 95 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:45.079 Probably that's why I was probably attracted in the first place to this ministry. 96 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.160 But but I had not told anyone and I was actually on the sidewalk. 97 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:57.079 I think it was five years before I god was so incredibly gentle with me, 98 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:00.480 but he never let me off the hook. He kept telling me that 99 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:05.959 I did need to to talk about my own experience with the people I worked 100 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:11.920 with and with my family. Yeah, and and in that five years when 101 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:18.639 no one knew, he used me. I mean I was mightily used by 102 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:22.480 God. I'd be astounded by what God was doing, by the miracles I'd 103 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.000 seen, by the lives that were saved, and I don't know why. 104 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:33.720 Yeah, but I will tell you it came at enormous cost. Enormous cost. 105 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.559 Every area of my life was under attack by Satan, and I mean 106 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:45.879 everything, health, finances, marriage, children, everything. Yeah, my 107 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.399 my parents just really there. There was not an untouched area of my life 108 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:56.960 and it was devastating in every one of those areas. Yeah. So the 109 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:01.039 only thing looking back that still floors me as why I didn't give up. 110 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.320 I don't know, other than I love the Lord and I hated Satan so 111 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.320 much I wasn't going to give him the victory. Yeah, but I think 112 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:16.519 that it was it was a heavy price to pay. Yeah, would I 113 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.519 have still gone through that had I gone through an abortion healing program I don't 114 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:26.600 know, but ultimately I did. God finally convinced me. I did tell 115 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.320 my family first, and then I told you, all the people I work 116 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.720 with, and then I then I went very public. Yeah, and now 117 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.759 you know. It's totally out in the open and one of the hardest things 118 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:41.639 for people like in my situation and for any post aboard of women who is 119 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:46.440 ministering on the sidewalk, honestly, is going to be the the socalled pro 120 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.480 choice people. Yeah, and how they will attack, call you a hypocrite, 121 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.080 whatever, right and say you had an abortion wise and it okay for 122 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.960 everyone else to have an abortion. So there is no doubt, when I 123 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.480 finally did release that burden, and I did go through an online post aboard 124 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:09.480 of healing program at that point as well, that I really was released to 125 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:15.360 be fully free to do what God had called me to do on the sidewalk. 126 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:20.120 So I think the wiser thing for people to do is go through the 127 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.919 post aboard of healing first. Yeah, yeah, or maybe in conjunction right 128 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.919 with as your ministring on the sidewalk. Yeah, but there were some things 129 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:35.240 said in in this article that that I that we talked about that, no 130 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:41.840 matter which path you take, that are some key things, yeah, that 131 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:46.879 you need to do. Let me just pipe in real quick and encourage those 132 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:48.799 who are listening who may have an abortion in your past. Maybe you haven't 133 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:54.519 shared that. There's a temptation with Vicki sharing her story about how she stepped 134 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:58.360 out into the sidewalk and God used her mighty even in spite of the fact 135 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.120 that she never brought this thing to the light. Temptation to say, well, 136 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.679 if she could do it, I can do it. It's very unwise 137 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.480 to presume upon God's mercy in that way. Yeah, and God's grace, 138 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:13.879 like, why was his grace on Vicki, even in spite of that and 139 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.080 even though the devil had a foothold in certain in a certain way, yeah, 140 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.120 she still had victory of that. WHO KNOWS WHY? God gave her 141 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:26.639 the grace and God may give you the grace, same grace that he gave 142 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:31.120 her, but he also may not. I don't know why God operates the 143 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:37.360 way that he does. But I'll tell you it's wisdom to just not give 144 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.360 the devil a foothold, to not give the devil an angle. And I 145 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.440 can tell you if you have an abortion in your past and you're you're not 146 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:48.279 sharing it with other people because you're afraid of how they're going to view you 147 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.919 or how they're going to you know whatever, I can tell you that is 148 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.879 a lie from the flesh and from the devil. The people around you that 149 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.039 love you are going to love you no matter what's in your past. Yeah, 150 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.519 and we should, yes, we should be ashamed of the decisions that 151 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:11.240 we made in the past, but if we're truly in Christ, then we're 152 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.639 no longer that that person. What was the thing? Maybe it's in your 153 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:20.120 article where there's a guy on law and sharing about how some wicked people are 154 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.240 saying wicked things about him and his path, and he's like, it's like 155 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.080 they're throwing rocks at a house that I don't live in anymore. Oh, 156 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.360 that's so great, and I it isn't in the article, but I'm glad 157 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:33.080 you remembered that because high to this day, I heard that, I don't 158 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.120 know, a few months ago and to this day, on every morning I 159 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.600 walk and it's my time with God, and almost every morning I'll revisit something 160 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.759 in my head about something that God is either further revealing to me or I'm 161 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:52.759 remembering from from my past. And Satan uses that right away to cause me 162 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.080 to cry, to be discouraged, to think I can't do what I'm called 163 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:01.960 to do because I'm such a pitiful, wicked, horrible scum of humanity. 164 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:07.639 And I will remember. Stop It. You're throwing rocks at a house I 165 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:13.480 don't live in anymore, that is no longer my home, and and I 166 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.600 and we are made new. You started off saying that we are made new 167 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:24.919 in the Lord as believers in Jesus. So we are made new and and 168 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:31.000 we can overcome because Jesus has overcome our past and we can use it for 169 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.679 good. What Satan meant for evil, we can't. We can use for 170 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:37.960 good. But also going back to you, saying, well, God was 171 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.240 able to use me anyway. But here the warning. I mean I was 172 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.879 diagnosed with breast cancer, my parents were both put into a nursing home. 173 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.559 Both of my dogs side of cancer. We lost all of our savings, 174 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.000 we had struggles in our family. That that, you know, the the 175 00:13:54.000 --> 00:14:01.759 repercussion still reverberate to this day. There were there were things I would not 176 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:07.679 wish on anyone. Yeah, that that I went through and and so be 177 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:13.320 very, very careful. If that in general, kind of the bottom line 178 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.799 is that I would say get that healing first. And I would say also 179 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:24.200 a danger if you go on to the sidewalk and you have not told your 180 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.840 family or your friends, but one day you speak it to a mom because 181 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:33.000 you your heart is telling you that mom needs to hear it to choose life. 182 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.600 Yeah, it will get out there. Yeah, and do you want 183 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.519 someone else to tell your family or your friends, or do you want it 184 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:43.759 to be through the lens of what you went through and your own mouth? 185 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:50.320 Yeah, telling. Yeah. So there are big dangers if if you do 186 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:56.360 not get healing first and go public. Yeah, first. I think that's 187 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.840 the main thing, is just having this out in the open, right, 188 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.559 bringing it to the light. Yes, this scripture, first John comes to 189 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.960 mind, first Shawn, and chapter one, verse five. It starts. 190 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:11.799 This is the message which we have heard from him and declare to you that 191 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.240 God is light and in him is no darkness at all. If we say 192 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.240 that we have fellowship with him and walk in darkness, we lie and did 193 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.720 not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he's 194 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.159 in the light, we have fellowship with one another. In the blood of 195 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:28.240 Jesus Christ, his son, cleanses us from all sin. This principle of 196 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:33.840 walking in the light is not a principle of walking in sinless perfection and never 197 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:39.879 messing up. It's a principle of bringing things to the light. And notice 198 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:45.600 that it talks about reconciliation that comes from walking in the light, reconciliation with 199 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:52.039 God, but also reconciliation with others. Says the blood of Jesus Christis son, 200 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.639 cleanse us from all same we walk in the light. Verse Seven. 201 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:58.519 If we walk in the lights, he's in the light. We have fellowship 202 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:02.039 with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ, his son, cleanses us 203 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.759 from all sins. So blood of Jesus Christ cleanse us from all sins. 204 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:08.480 Speaking about reconciliation with God, but before that we have fellowship with one another. 205 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:15.519 Speaks of reconciliation with our brothers and sisters. And sometimes, if you 206 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.000 have sin in your past that you've not brought to the light, that doesn't 207 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.200 mean we need to get into all the gordy details of our life, but 208 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:25.320 if there are things we know in the past the devil's trying to use to 209 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:29.600 define us, a lot of times that will break fellowship with other people, 210 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:33.080 will disconnected from other people, will feel it's hard to connect with people because 211 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.600 they really don't understand me. The reason why is because those things likely have 212 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.039 not been brought to the light. Fellowship is broken, there's a sense of 213 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.879 disunity, and so I think that could definitely I don't I can't speak for 214 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:51.080 how you felt why you're on the sidewalk those years where you never shared this, 215 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.559 but I would guess there was a sense of disunity, almost a sense 216 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:59.399 of dishonesty, like I'm holding something back from absolutely absolutely I remember when I 217 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:03.039 first told you, yeah, and and Elijah and some of the other leaders 218 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:07.400 had on the sidewalk. I said, I'm I'm so sorry that I didn't. 219 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.200 I should have told you sooner. I should have. There was so 220 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:15.759 much guilt and kind of a flip side of that is I mean you are 221 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.279 kind of living a lie. Yeah, I hear I am telling people don't 222 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:22.319 have an abortion, but I'm not admitting that I had. It's a very 223 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:27.519 different place of ministry when you've admitted it and you're saying you know, I 224 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:33.279 know that what you're going to go through because I've done it and I wouldn't 225 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.799 wish it on anyone. But the other side of that is there can be 226 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:44.720 this veneer of perfection. There's nothing wrong with me, I have got it 227 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:49.200 all together, and my children certainly saw that. That's what they saw, 228 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:55.680 someone who will at least claim to be pretty perfect. Yeah, and when 229 00:17:55.720 --> 00:18:02.480 I told them, I think it opened a whole new understanding, an ability 230 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:06.359 to relate to me. Oh, you know, she really messed up. 231 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:11.400 She's way more human. Yeah, and we realize, and I actually think 232 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:15.680 it it helped our relationship bridge the divide. That's right. It helps bring 233 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:21.599 fellowship, right, yeah, you fellowship as believers in Jesus, around the 234 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.720 fact that we've all been redeemed by the blood of the lamb, that we've 235 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:29.000 all royally screwed up, yes, in our lives, varying degrees and in 236 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.839 varying ways. Yeah, and we have that in common. We all really 237 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:38.039 screwed up, right, but there's a God who redeems and heals royal screw 238 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.799 ups. That's right, and then turns us into royalty. That's right, 239 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.680 that's right, beautiful. You should, you should coin that. That was 240 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:48.359 very much coin is good. It's write a book. So I think this 241 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:55.599 is a very important paragraph in in the article that we wrote because, as 242 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.559 the person who asked me, I believe, if I'm remember correctly, as 243 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:02.759 a leader who's thinking. So yes or no? Do we do we let 244 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:07.839 these women with post abortive passed on women now say, and men to and 245 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:11.160 men, because there's men with unconfessed abortions in their past. They did not 246 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:15.400 obviously have the abortion themselves, but they contributed in in whatever way. They 247 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.680 coerced, they drove her, whatever, it's their baby. Then yes, 248 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:23.480 they need healing as well. So I do think it is possible. Like 249 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:29.319 I said, it was possible with me and as I look back, I 250 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.599 mean, I'd be mine if I didn't say this. I think being on 251 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:37.279 the sidewalk was instrumental in part of my healing. Yeah, so would I 252 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.400 deny that to someone else? No, I would not, but I do 253 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:47.880 think, with my experience now, I think that there are key elements in 254 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:52.400 place, or that should be in place, for anyone in Ministry who's a 255 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.440 ministry leader. As they're looking at, should I allow this person to be 256 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.599 a part of our team or not? Yeah, and so I want to 257 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.480 go over those because I think they're really important. First of all, first 258 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.279 and foremost, the person, woman or man, needs to be a strong 259 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.160 believer in the Lord. There can be no doubt in your mind. If 260 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:15.519 it's a post aboard of woman and she's a brand new believer, I would 261 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.000 say for sure she should go through healing first. Yeah, they need to 262 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:25.519 be a strong and probably established believer in the Lord. I think that's maybe 263 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:27.880 what got me through what I went through. I had been walking with the 264 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:33.000 Lord for thirty years. Yeah, so fully abiding and in in the Lord. 265 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:38.480 I think that's absolutely important. She needs to have regular and very intentional 266 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:42.720 devotional time alone with God. That's true for all of us. Yeah, 267 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:48.079 but I think it's doubly true for someone who is saying I haven't yet gone 268 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.079 through a healing program but I really want to be on the sidewalk. Yeah, 269 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.119 talk with her and find out what is. What is her time with 270 00:20:55.240 --> 00:21:00.599 the Lord look correct? Yeah, she needs to be in a strongly supportive 271 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:07.319 church, yeah, with accountability to that Church, critical, strongly you know, 272 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:12.759 a local church. Must be in a local church. She does need 273 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:18.440 the support of her family and they must have knowledge of her past. That 274 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:22.880 was a huge mistake from me that I that I had not gone public. 275 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:27.680 Some of my family knew, but but most did not, because it you're 276 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:32.480 always living in fear. Then out on the sidewalk, who's going to tell 277 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:37.440 my family? Who's going to discover? And you cannot minister out of a 278 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.759 place of fear. Right. If all those elements, and I mean all 279 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.839 of those, are not in place, then I would recommend to anyone in 280 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:51.640 a leadership position don't have that person on the sidewalk yet. Have them go 281 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.440 through a healing program first. Yeah, and if those elements are in place, 282 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:02.240 then I'd say then you know, find out does this woman really know 283 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:06.400 about fighting spiritual battle, how to fight it well, the spiritual armor of 284 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:10.079 God and all that kind of stuff, and if she if she is going 285 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:15.319 to be on their watch her closely and have a personal accountability person that she 286 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:23.000 goes to, that you are in contact with discussing how everything is going in 287 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:30.400 her life. I think had you known everything and known all that that was 288 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.640 happening to me, you probably would have told me step back. Yeah, 289 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:40.759 and that might have been wife advice. Yeah. Yeah, so the encouragement 290 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:47.000 is then, as leaders, as we're talking about just the the things that 291 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.839 those who are leading have in their past and of course, in particular we're 292 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:56.839 talking about abortion. But all of this stems from a desire as leaders, 293 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.880 for us to do what is right for those who were leading. So we're 294 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.920 not just talking about punishing people that have an abortion in their past, but 295 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:07.119 not letting them come out on the sidewalk until they get some kind of post 296 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:11.240 aboard of healing. We're talking about as leaders, we have a vested interest 297 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:18.160 in doing right by them. Yeah, putting them out on the front lines 298 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.119 of a battle whenever there's like, you know, there's some stuff in their 299 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:27.559 past that really hasn't been taken care of yet. It's not good for them. 300 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:30.680 Right, right. It'd be like putting someone, and I don't mean 301 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.559 to say that having an abortion in your past is a handicap, but it'd 302 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:38.400 be like putting someone with a handicap on the front line of a real battle 303 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:41.640 and put a sword in their hand. Yeah, it's like, well, 304 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.559 they're not equipped until that handicap is taken care of. Yeah, to really 305 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.559 fight this battle effectively. So we have to be discerning as leaders. No, 306 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:53.079 one of the things that we've said is that we're not requiring people that 307 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:56.640 people absolutely have to go through post aboard of healing if they have an abortion 308 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:02.480 in their past to be on the sidewalk, but we do ask that they 309 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:06.599 have a conversation with Stephanie just so she can kind of assess where they're at 310 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:11.640 and get them information, to take advantage of a post aboard of Healing Bible 311 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:15.119 study just to give the information to them. So we're asking for them to 312 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.960 do that, for them to talk with Stephanie her assess where they're at and 313 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:22.920 then, you know, if they start that post aboard of healing process, 314 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.359 they can come out on the sidewalk even in the midst of that process. 315 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.079 Some people have chosen to go through the entire process before they go out on 316 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.960 the sidewalk. I think that's wisdom. Yeah, we can't say, no 317 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.200 one can say exactly what's the right formula, but what we can say is 318 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:41.200 here's here's some of what we've seen. Here's some of the best things. 319 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:44.799 Like God can use all kinds of things. God used your story, even 320 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:48.519 though you didn't get post aboard of healing before. God's used you and he's 321 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.000 using you tremendously. But just because God uses someone else in a certain way 322 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:56.400 doesn't necessarily mean he's going to use you in the same way. Hey, 323 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:00.880 so we just have to use wisdom and apply why is principles, I think 324 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:06.119 post aboard of healing and getting plugged in to a ministry light, restored life, 325 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:08.119 and it's want to put a plug real quick for Stephanie Ron Hart, 326 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:12.480 because if you go on our website, Love Life Dot Org, restored life, 327 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.319 that's where you can get connected with Stephanie. Maybe you have an abortion 328 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.240 in your past or someone who has an abortion in their past that you're connected 329 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.319 with. Maybe you're a leader and you want to get someone that's serving connected. 330 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.759 That would be the way to do it, and Stephanie's Great. She 331 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:30.039 has so many connections with post aboard of healing. She's got such a heart 332 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:37.480 for this and just a wisdom to speak to this this issue unlike anyone else. 333 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:40.960 Yeah, I'm not on that line. I'd like to tell a quick, 334 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:44.880 brief little story, because I have mentioned her earlier on and some of 335 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.960 our podcast, about the woman who contacted me post aboard of and was suicidal. 336 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.640 Yeah, and I was counseling her for a couple of months and she 337 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:59.079 was suicidal throughout that time period. I actually did connect her with Stephanie and 338 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.039 and she that woman is now, I would say, free. I mean 339 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.640 she she had a very strong salvation experience. She told me she recently. 340 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:12.359 She is doing fine. She said she has been healed. Jesus has healed 341 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:17.079 her. But I do think that part of that, what was pivotal in 342 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.960 that, was the discussion with Stephanie. Yeah, and I think that is 343 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:26.599 just such a wise and good idea. Connect with Stephanie. Yeah, if 344 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.720 you're one of the leaders, certainly in love life, if you've got a 345 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.240 question about having someone beyond the sidewalk, have them connect with her. Yeah, 346 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.960 yeah, that's good. Yeah. Well, with that I think we'll 347 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.519 wrap this episode up. Hopefully it was a blessing you, guys. 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