Aug. 19, 2021
Sharing the Gospel - Mock Session

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This episode is part 2 of last week’s episode. In this episode, Vicky shares the Gospel with “Cathy” who is walking into the abortion center and claims to be an agnostic. We pray that this mock session will equip and encourage you.
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This episode is part 2 of last week’s episode. In this episode, Vicky shares the Gospel with “Cathy” who is walking into the abortion center and claims to be an agnostic. We pray that this mock session will equip and encourage you.
https://sidewalks4life.com/sharing-gospel-with-agnostic-mom/
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I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me,
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Lord, I am yours, I
am yours. I'm welcome to the
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Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a
podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge
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you in pro life ministry and always
were the focus on the Gospel. Stay
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tuned. I felt show passish touch
your heart. Welcome back to the Gospel
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Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you
guys joining us. Appreciate if you guys
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would share this podcast with other people
and, like we always do, at
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the end of this episode we're going
to give our email addresses so you could
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reach out to us with suggestions for
future podcasts maybe some comments about this particular
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episode. This episode is kind of
springboarding off of our previous episode where we
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did a mock session with Vicki and
Maddie and they pretended Maddie was an agnostic
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coming to the abortion center and was
afraid that her baby was going to be
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going to have issues because she had
been drinking and had been smoking and that
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sort of thing, which is not
uncommon actually. So this episode actually springboard
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and off of that. was kind
of at the end of that last episode
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she said, will you come over
with me in the shade here and we'll
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talk further. This was them talking
further, her sharing the gospel with Maddie,
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who's actually her name is not Sarah
in this one, right, it's
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Cathathy, Cathy, okay. So, anyway, we're going to give you
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guys an opportunity to listen to this
mock counseling session and then, as we
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have in time past, we're going
to come and talk a little bit about
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it, some of the things that
went well, some of the things that
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could have been done better. And
Vicki said that there was one blaring omission
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on her part. MM. So
we're going to talk about what that might
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be. Maybe you guys, as
you're listening through, try to figure out
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what is that blaring omission on her
part and how could she never leave that
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out again? Right, so I'll
be shamed into it. No more.
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Yes, anything you want to add
before we jump into the video? Obviously
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it's a video, but right,
you guys are listening on a podcast.
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Yeah, so you're not seeing the
video, but it's okay. The audio.
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Yeah, it's great. We will
be able to post the videos,
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I think, on sidewalks for life. With the article that goes along with
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this. But the the one thing
that I wanted to add is remember this
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is an agnostic mom this is different
from how I would share the gospel if
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it was someone who has already said
I believe in Jesus, I believe in
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God. I was really so it. There were two things that I was
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going for here with with her being
someone who really didn't believe in Jesus at
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all, and that was, first
of all, to introduce her to Jesus
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and then to introduce the truth,
the Gospel. Yeah, okay, all
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right, I guess we'll listen in
and we'll be back after after this mock
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session. Okay, so you've got
the information and thank you so much that
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you're willing to talk with me.
Yeah, about God, I mean I'm
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hoping it'll be life changing, and
it was for me. Like I was
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telling you, I'm post abortive and
it was when I really came to grips
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with what I had done and when
I had my first son. Is is
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when I saw God and I and
I really I found him, and the
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Bible says that the door will be
open to all who knock. God.
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God extends the invitation to be found
to everyone of us, all who see
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can will find him. The Bible
says. That's what I'm hoping is that
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at least he'll you know, you'll
get a sense of of that he is.
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He is there and he is seeking
you and waiting for you just to
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turn to him. But but you
know what, I never got your name
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and I'm so sorry. I'm what
is your name? I'm cathy here,
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Cathy, okay, Cathy, and
you and I'm Viking and my name and
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numbers is on the back right.
Okay, so you can talk with me
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at any time and I know we
talked about that. We're going to help
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you, and I want you to
know all the help we offer is completely
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in no way contingent on how you
feel about God, not at all.
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You reject God completely, we're still
going to help you because we feel called
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by God to do our best to
help you and whatever situation you face.
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Okay, so why don't we start
with just I hope this doesn't happen,
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but if you were to, you
know, get in your car and drive
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away and getting an accent and die, where do you think you'd be going?
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Heaven or Hell? I don't know. What if you just like cease
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to exist. Okay, so you
might, you might cease to exist.
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Let's say that there is a heaven
and there is a hell, place to
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reward, enjoy an eternal the the
spirit is eternal, and there's a place
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where God is. I mean the
bottle certainly talks about heaven and a hell.
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Heaven where you're with God for all
eternity. Hell, we are,
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you are separated from God in eternal
torment for all eternity. So where do
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you think if it thinking about your
life, where do you think you would
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be going? I don't know.
I mean I've done some pretty bad stuff
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but like, for the most part
I've been pretty good and I'm not I
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don't like het people in general or
saying okay, so you're pretty good person.
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Like if there was a scale and
you wage your good and bad on
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the scale, good tips a little
bit higher than bad, a little bit.
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Yeah, okay. Let me ask
you some questions. Have you ever
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told a lie? Yeah, okay. What does that make you're okay.
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Have you ever stolen something? Oh
Yeah, yeah, does that make you
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a thief? Okay. Have you
ever taken the Lord's name in vain?
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You know what I mean by that, like if you my gosh, or
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yeah, yeah, but you yeah, or Jesus Christ, and use it
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as a cuss word, really an
exclamation of surprise or anger, cussing and
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anger and hurling it at someone.
Have you ever done that? But the
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okay, IE, I have two
and the Bible takes that very seriously.
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It's called blasphemy. So you and
I are blasphemers according to the Bible.
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How about, have you ever looked
with lust upon someone you're not married to?
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Let me ask you how you married. Okay, and you're pregnant,
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so we know the answer their question. Okay. And and the Bible says
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that if you even look with lust
upon someone that you're not married to,
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you've committed adultery in your heart.
So, according to the standard of the
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Bible, which everything begins in the
heart, all sin begins in the heart.
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And according to the biblical standard,
if you've looked, even looked with
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lust upon a man you're not married
to, you've committed adultery, makes you
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an adulterer right according to this right
now. How about, have you ever
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murdered? No, no, okay. How about if you took that human
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beings life, would that be murder? I guess it depends on what you
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consider murder. Okay, I'm well, murders the taking of an innocent human
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life. Is that human being innocent? Yes, yeah, I mean I
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guess it is. And it's a
human being right with other human DNA from
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the moment of conception. So so, by that standard, you would murder
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if you went in there and killed
your baby. Without a doubt that that's
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taking of an innocent human life.
But do you know that the Bible says
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that if you even call your brother
Rocco, which means fool, you've murdered
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him in your heart. Again,
that heart thing. But the Bible keeps
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coming back to our heart and what
happens in our heart. That's where all
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sin begins. We think about it, we dwell on it, then we
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do it, we take action.
That's the progression of sin. So you
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have just admitted that you are a
lying, thieving, blaspheming, adulter,
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is murderer. That's five of the
time. Commanders, do you still look
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so good? No, no,
not really really. So you're not alone.
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The Bible says that all have sinned
and, Paul Short of the glory
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of God, all of us all
of us in and you can see on
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that list, as I was going
through it, you're probably being alone lies
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or not so bad right. Well, stealing things once in a while for
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a good reason, maybe as night. But as the list progressed, I
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think you were beginning to kind of
think, wow, that's sin. has
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kind of added up and and and
it's pretty pretty significant in my life.
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So all have sinned and false show
the glory of God, and the Bible
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also says that there's a penalty for
sin. For example, you have a
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mother and you were a child,
and when you were a child, if
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your mother had not had consequences,
punishment for your wrongdoing, would you have
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grown up to be a responsible,
good human being? Do you think?
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I don't think either one of us
are responsible good you. Okay, so
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maybe she'd. Maybe she didn't do
that right, maybe she didn't discipline you,
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and maybe that's part of why you've
led down a path we're kind of
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yours, maybe looking now with a
little bit of regret on some of the
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things you've done. So so there
is a penalty. Even a parent,
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a good parent of course, disciplines
their child. God, if he's the
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god of the Bible, that I'm
claiming he is, then he is the
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best parent. He is a perfect
parent in fact, because if he created
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everything, then he is mighty above
all else, and if he has created
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these people, he has the right
to do with them whatever he desires.
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And one of the things he has
done is he's given us his commandments,
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his law, and we've broken them. And if, if we've broken the
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law in in a real court house, let's say you were in you were
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in court and you had committed murder
and they knew you'd committed murder and and
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they the judge says, how do
you how do you plead anything? Guilty,
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because you know you're guilty, but
you say, but I'm really sorry.
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Most of the time I'm good,
and let's you know, on one
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of my bad days, that I
committed murder, but I promise I won't
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do it again and I think you
should let me go free. Would he
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be a good judge if he let
you go free? No, no,
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because you have a sense of justice. Right there, that's not justice.
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Well, why do you think you
have a sense of justice? Have you
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ever thought about that? I'll tell
you why. Because there the Creator is
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universe, who we are made in
the image of the Bible says, is
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a god of justice. He's got
a love. He loves you so much,
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just as your mother hopefully loved you
so much, or someone in your
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life, I'm sure, loved and
cared about you. But it's not love
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if we just let you run wild
with no restrictions, no boundaries, no
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laws, and if, when you
break those laws, there isn't justice and
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you're returned to a right relationship with
that, with your parent, with ever
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who it was who who you've broke
the law, and justice is served by
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their being some sort of consequence.
Right. Well, the Bible says the
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penalty for sin is death. That's
the consequence hell, eternal separation from God.
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And that makes sense when you think
about like that courtroom scene. Right,
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there has to be a penalty,
especially when you've committed something serious us,
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like murder. But what if the
judge said to you, look,
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Cathy, I know you're guilty of
murder. The state requires the penalty for
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murder is the electric chair. That
penalty must be paid and I'm going to
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make a deal with you now.
No judge on earth is ever going to
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do this, but let's just pretend
he has. The power and willingness to
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do this. What if he says, I'm going to make a deal with
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you because, you know what,
you're young, I've lived a full,
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long life and and I just care
about you, and instead of you going
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to the electric chair, I'll go
in your place. I will pay the
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penalty that you deserve. Now,
you see, no judge ever going to
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really do that. But but if
he did, you have a choice to
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make. Right if you say to
that judge, wow, that's amazing,
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I can't believe you would do that
for me, but thank you. Sure,
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then who's going to go to the
electric chair? You were the judge,
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the judge, the judge. Could
you've accepted what he's going to do
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for you? You can't believe it, but he's going to. So the
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judge goes, and who is set
free? Me? You. If,
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on the other hand, the judge
makes that offer and you say had no
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way, I know you're just trying
to trick me. I'm pretty sure you
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wouldn't do it anyway, and besides
that, it's honestly not pair. I
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can't let you do that. Then
who goes to the electric chair? You?
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Well, in a similar way,
it's not perfect, analogy at all.
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Analogies always fall short. But in
a similar way, that's the deal
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God makes with us. He Sent
Jesus, is only begotten Son, the
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Bible says, fully human but fully
man, to Earth with one purpose,
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that he was to live a perfect
sinless life, which he did. In
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the Bible is a historical book.
There is no account of Jesus ever sinning.
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There were other books written at that
time period. None of them accused
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Jesus Sin Never. He never committed
a sin. Did he owe the penalty
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for death? No, the penalty
for sin, which is death. No,
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he did not owe it. Right, right, you do. I
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do. In fact everyone does,
because we've all sinned and fall short of
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God's glory, and the penalty for
sin is death. So Jesus lived thirty
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three years on earth. Willingly said, I will pay the penalty. You
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me, everyone in that abortion center
and on this street. Everyone the penalty
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we all own. He would go
to the devastating death, the horrific,
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just tormentous death of the Cross to
pay the penalty for sin that we deserved.
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Do you know about the cross?
That? It's hard to grow up
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in America not know about the Crustian
yeah, and so you know, Jesus
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went to the cross, did this
terrible death and three days later Easter,
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the what we celebrated Easter. He
rose from the dead. Now, first
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of all, that proves two things. Right, can you rise from the
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dead? How about how to drive? I don't think so. Now proves
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he's God, he's something, not
US anyway. Right, right, when
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he rose from the dead, from
the dead. What did he overcome that?
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Yeah, he overcame death. So
He's proving that he has the power
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to overcome the penalty for sin,
the you and I own. He overcame
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death, he overcame sin, he
paid the penalty for every bit of it
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for us. Now, how do
we know he rose from the dead?
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I'm not going to say that there
is an element of faith. There is,
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but there are some very convincing evidence
of that. Again, there were
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books written at the same time period
that talk about this, this huge influx
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of followers of this man who supposedly
died on on the cross, and these
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followers are saying they saw him risen, risen from the dead. Those are
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extra biblical books. The Bible says
that he rose from the dead and we
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know from history that everyone except for
one of the apostles, the twelve men
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that followed Jesus during his earthly ministry. Every one of them died a martyr's
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death rather than recamped their belief that
they saw he had risen from the dead.
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Would you die for something that you
knew was alive? If you knew
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he had not risen from the dead, would you say no, go ahead
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and kill me, he rose from
the dead. Never but all of the
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just top a disciples, but one
one of them prison after death. All
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of the rest of them died a
horrific martyr's death rather than we can't the
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truth that Jesus rose from the dead. So I'm going to read you one
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of my favorite verses. It's Romans
ten nine. If you declare with your
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mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe
in your heart that God raised him from
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the dead, you will be saved. And I want to just talk about
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that a little. If you declear
with your mouth, speak it that Jesus
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is Lord, what do you think
that means? Jesus is Lord. What
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is Lord? What is the Lord
of Your Life? What does that mean?
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Like if money was Lord, would
you do anything to get money?
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Probably, if it was Lord.
Right. So what if Jesus is Lord,
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what do you think that means?
Through anything to get Jesus, do
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anything to get Jesus do everything he
says right. And he says that in
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the Bible. He says, if
you love me, you will obey me.
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That's how we show our love of
Jesus. And he also says in
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other verses, why do you call
me Lord, Lord, and not do
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what I say? So He's saying
if you're not doing what I'm saying,
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if you're murdering, if you're lying, if you're blasphemy and you're continuing in
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that, then he's not more.
But if he is Lord, if you're
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going to call him Lord, he
will do what he says. That's what
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this first says. So if you
declare with your mouth that he's Lord,
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believe in your heart that God raised
him from the dead, like those twelve
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disciples and all those witnesses that saw
him, and now us today that look
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at the evidence of this incredible creation, of the fact that you're alive,
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of the fact that the womb has
is perfectly designed for the miracle of life,
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that of the design of even a
strand of DNA is just so intricate
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that there is a creator, and
if you believe that that creator tears about
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you and rose from the dead,
then you will be saved. And what
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that means is you can have eternal
life with Jesus, with God, and
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the beautiful result, the Bible tells
us, is that the Holy Spirit enters
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our heart at that moment when we
submit our life to Jesus. He enters
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our heart and guides us into all
righteousness, so that this burden that you
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have probably fought, this terribly wearying
burden of sin that has led you to
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a place how but you never thought
you'd come that burden of sin, it
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is removed and instead what is replaced
is a deep desire to please and follow
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and Love God, and he will
help you. So I want to ask
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you, I know you've never done
that. Is that something you'd be interested
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in doing? Some Way Out?
I want to learn more about I've never
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heard it explain that way before.
Just yeah, I guess it just seems
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like God just doesn't want us to
have a good time. It does.
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They're now, do you understand?
Maybe he's protecting you right because he's this
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going to be a good time going
in there and carrying your baby now and
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not at all. So I hope
it's made you think a couple of things.
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I'd love to give you some more
information and I can send you.
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I'd love to get your number,
yeah, and and text, text you
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some some sources that were you can
explore more on your own and I'd love
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to keep talking with you about this. But at the very least, can
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I encourage you to come with me
for an ultra sound, let's look at
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your baby and then kind of go
from there? Yeah, we can do
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that. Okay, God, let
you let me. Let me just go
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see if I can get them on
the phone and take you over there.
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Thank you. Well, we're back. We hope that was a blessing to
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you guys. Gotten a lot of
feedback in the past from people who've said
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that these MOX sessions were blessing.
You kind of get to listen in on
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some of the things that we might
say as we're ministering to a mom at
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the abortion center. So we're going
to comment on some of the things,
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but I mean, all in all, think it is good and we told
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you guys, to talk about or
think about the blaring omission. That thing
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that Vicky left out of her conversation
with Cathy, but it gets Cathy and
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sharing the Gospel with her. So
maybe we'll say that for yeah. And
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what was that? Yeah, what
was that thing that she forgot? I
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didn't think it was to me and
see it as a as a blaring omission,
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but certainly some yeah, could have
focused on yeah, I do know.
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Just starting out, I think one
of our critiques of the last last
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portion of this whole session was that
you didn't get her name, and so
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it's important that we get their name. It's not something that I get,
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I'm sure this in the past,
right away. It probably in the course
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of the conversation. Depends on the
conversation. Sometimes I'll get their name right
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away, but I don't want to
be I don't want to come across as
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a creeper. Right, I'm trying
to get all the day. Sure,
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yeah, they don't want to be
given out personal information when we first meet
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him because they have heard bad things
about us, they don't like us.
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Yeah, they don't want to stop
me exactly. Yeah. So, can
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I get your name and can I
go ahead and get your email address?
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Oh, oh, yet, would
you give your so security number in your
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home agsty. I got a credit
card on you. Yeah, of course
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wouldn't to come across this creepers.
We're not trying to get information just for
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the sake of information, but we
want to build a relationship. Having their
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name is important in this portion.
You did apologize. Hey, I think
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get your name before right. What's
your name? She here's your name or
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names Cathy, and you continue to
minister to her from there. I want
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to make an important point on something
that I want to make sure that all
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of us in sidewalk ministry do.
If we are going to be giving resources
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to the MOM's it is very important
if you start a gospel discussion that you
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tell them right off the bat nothing
that we offer will be affected in any
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way by any decision you make.
For Jesus, yeah, and and I
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did, and I say that at
the GECKO. I said that at the
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beginning of this of the session just
just that you just watched. Very important
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we have. That was one of
the points. Yeah, I wrote that
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down. That's one of the points
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nothing that I say and no decision
that you make based on what I
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say has anything to do with whether
or not you get a free ultrasound?
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Will or not we give you a
baby shower, and none of the help
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that we offer is connected with what
decision you make. Now we have been
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accused of that by proabortion people and
and whatever else. You guys make them
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jump through all these hoops before you
give them any resources. That has never
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been the truth. That's right and
it will never be the truth. However,
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I will say that some organizations,
mean you think about organizations like food
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pantries and things like that, they
have certain hoops, so to speak,
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the people jump through. So there's
things. There's like like we need information
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from them, like that's a hoop
that everybody has a jump through. We
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didn't know where you live and who
you are if we're going to be helping
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you, because how we're going to
help you if we don't know who you
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are? You know so. But
as far as like you have to do
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this, you have to take this
class or do that thing, we don't
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do that. It's just not who
we are. No, we do I
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will say, though, that their
pregnancy centers that do that, that say
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you need to be enrolled in these
classes, the parenting classes, to get
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certain things. I don't see anything
wrong with that? No, I don't
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either. They're giving a service.
Yeah, I think it's wisdom, but
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as far as we're concerned, the
resources that we offer they're connected with,
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with just US knowing who they are, connecting them with the mentor. Often
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times we talked about that, that
mentors going to give them those those different
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resources and things like that. But
it's not like in order to get a
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mentor they have to ask Jesus into
their heart, anything like that. That
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would be so unbiblical to say yeah, you can, you can earn Jesus
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right by, we will give you
all these things and as long as you
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sign on the dotted line that you
love the Lord, then we will give
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you more right now. That would
be that would be awful, and that's
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why we're a little bit different from
other organizations and that at this point we're
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offering the Gospel and there can be
no strings attached to your decision to because
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we don't want to create false converts. That's correct. I don't want someone
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saying yeah, as Jesus in them
a heart because I know that I'm going
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to be able to get these free
goodies right. That's I don't want that.
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That's to me. I don't want
to create false converts that I abhor
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that. So, for their sake
and for the sake of the Lord,
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we want to make sure we make
that plane. None of these things that
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we're offering, resources are offering,
has any any connection to whether you make
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a decision for or against Jesus and
see we he'll atheist. Right, we
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have. We've helped lesbian atheists that
have come to the abortion center. You
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say, do lesbians, Lesbian Atheists, get pregnant? They they do,
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strangely, if we've encountered them,
trust me, we have. We help
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them, whether they make a decision
for Jesus or not. We help anyone
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everyone that we can in as much
as we're able. So jumping into you
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sharing the Gospel and kind of yeah, the way that you lay things out.
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What are the first questions you asked? Has To do with eternal destiny,
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right, heaven or hell, and
I think it's good to get that
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out there. Right, it's good
to get it out there. I think
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you mentioned what if you died going
home? Is that how you worded it?
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you were hit by a car on
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the way, we can pray you're
not. I always remind them. I
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want them open that happens to you. But if it did happen, yeah,
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are you going to go to heaven
or hell? Yeah, now she
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said something to the effect of,
well, what if I just cease to
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exist? What if I just don't
exist again, she's playing at the part
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of an agnostic who, right doesn't
really know whether or not there's even a
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heaven or hell. So then I
made it a hypothetical right, because I
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didn't really want to get into dealing
with that answer. Yeah, and that's
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I think that's wisdom. Right.
Yeah, it's let the Holy Spirit do
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his work. Right. We're not
going to be able to get into an
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apologetic about heaven or hell and the
afterlife and all this other stuff, like
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you're not. It's not wise to
go around that mountain continually before you even
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get into sharing the Gospel. Right, just, okay, hypothetically speaking,
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what if? What if it is
true that there's a heaven and a hell,
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and then you just roll with it? That's what you did. Not
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I like that. Yeah, I
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of reward and a place of punishment, to even if it's not what you
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call heaven or Hell? Yeah,
yeah, so just going right through that
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and just asking heaven or hell.
She lays out like most parts, like
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like the Bible says. The Bible
says each man will proclaim his own goodness.
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You give people an opportunity. Are
you a good person, a bad
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person? Are you a person worthy
of Heaven or hell? Most people are
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going to say, well, I'm
a pretty good person. I'm not think
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she said this. I've done some
bad things, but generally speaking I'm a
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good person, so probably going to
heaven, all right. Yeah, and
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then you jump right into the way
of the Master Rate Comfort, the way
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that he shares the Gospel. Yeah, and showing CAS Cathy, Cathy,
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that she's not a good person,
and she admitted in the end. Nope,
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I guess I really am not.
Yeah, I've never had someone to
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say wow, well, I really
am, and you're full of it with
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lies. Yeah, I mean what
you get sometimes if you're laying out that
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you know. Have you ever told
a lie? I'm a liar. I
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mean at the end you do it
just like great comfort does. So you're
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a lying, blaspheming adulter at a
lying, thieving blaspheming adulter at heart.
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How does that sound? Most people
like, yeah, if that's the standard,
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I'm getting measured by toast. Right. Sometimes I'll get people to respond.
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Well, you know, I'm still
a good person. Really, a
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liar, a thief, a blasting
or an adulter, and you're still a
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good person. Yeah, then,
what does a bad person look like?
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They can see that person. Yeah. So I think it's good, I
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think to what we've always pushed,
what we've always supported and gotten behind as
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far as training for evangelism has been
the way of the master. This is
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an effective way to share the gospel. Now, I will say this.
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Sharing People's guilt for sin and sharing
the law, and are you a liar?
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All that that is actually not sharing
the Gospel. Right. You're not
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sharing the Gospel. You're making groundwork. You're plowing the ground to share the
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Gospel. You're showing them why they
need the Gospel, why they need to
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save your until they come to that
understanding, the Gospel doesn't matter. They
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have no idea. They need Je
Sus. Yet, until you've convinced them,
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you really are bad person and you
are hopeless. You cannot get out
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of that cycle of Sin Yourself.
And most people will ultimately agree that.
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Yeah, that we can lay out
that way. It's just like a doctor.
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We talked about this in the past. You've got to convince someone that
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they're sick before they're going to receive
the remedy. Right, right. Yeah,
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and the remedy, of course,
is the Gospel. That's that's the
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Gospel. The remedy sharing what Jesus
has done and his death is barrel's resurrection,
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but sharing the conviction of sin and
the guilt that we have before God.
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That's not sharing the Gospel, but
that's laying the groundwork for sharing the
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gospel. That showing people their guilt, right, they see that they need
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a relationship with Jesus, right,
and then moving into the whole justice,
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the the court and and the idea
that they're there is justice and that we
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all desire justice, and most people
can really relate to that. One of
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the things that I didn't do that
I could have done was, as she
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was really she understood justice. She
seemed to truly understand consequence for sin and
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the need for justice and maybe introducing
the idea of justice towards her child.
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Yeah, and and I didn't that. That, again, was something I
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could have. I could have used
that that. I think she would have
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been with me on that. Yeah, so, but, yeah, the
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rat comfort framework is really good.
I do tweak it a little, like
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I don't exactly follow how great comfort
does it in that. I spend a
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lot of time on that. Romans
ten nine. Yeah, first and the
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reason for that is in where we
are, so many of the women claim
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to be believers. Yeah, they'll
leaven say not only do they believe in
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Jesus, believe in God, but
Jesus is their Lord. Run, they
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have proclaimed him as their Lord.
Yeah, and we really want to expose
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the truth or lack of truth of
that statement if they are there actively rebelling
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against God in such a serious thing
as killing their own child. Yeah,
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and you ask that question specifically,
and I'll like the way that you lay
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that out. If money is your
Lord, then will you do anything for
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money? Yeah, you will do
anything to get money. Jesus is your
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Lord, she says, I'll do
anything to get Jesus. Well, yes,
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you kind of reframed it. I
believe you'll do anything that he says.
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You'll obey him. Right, and
that's really what you're getting to,
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are you obeying God? Are you
doing the things that he commands you to
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do? And, of course,
in this scenario, are you obeying him
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as it concerns your Inborn Child?
Obeying him by not going in and murdering
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your child? Right and also,
and this can be slightly controversial, I'll
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think, for people, but as
you're laying out Romans ten, if you
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confess with your mouth and believe in
your heart Jesus Christ as Lord, confessor
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Math Jesus Christ as Lord, and
believe in your heart that God's raised him
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from the dead, you shall be
saved. And you try to get them
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to to make a profession of faith. You give them what some people might
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call an invitation. Would you like
to do that right now? Would you
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like to confess Jesus as your Lord
Right now? To pray and confess Jesus
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as Lord Now? She turned down
that opportunity right she say something like I
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think about about it, I want
to learn about it more. It's the
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first time I've heard it represented that
way. I love a response like that.
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Honestly, that's what I want them
to be sparked on to learn for
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themselves. It that faith has to
be their own, not just because someone
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has told it. Yeah, yeah, what you don't want is trying to
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trick them into saying the sinner's prayer
so you can put a notch on your
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belt. Right, I've got another
one, saved or whatever. Well,
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if you, if you're considered that, just say this after me real quick.
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Trick him into quote getting saved.
Yeah, again, we don't want
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to create false converts, right.
Won't people who are truly convicted for their
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sin feel their guilt before God,
on their need for a savior and that
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are truly repent it? Right,
and that might spring board into what you
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thought was a blaring amission. Yeah, which I didn't think was was a
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blaring a mission. Certainly you could
talk to more about repentance and that's what
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it was. Right, right.
I never, never mentioned repentance. It
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has occurred to me for a long
time I really need at my fingertips a
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good repentance verse. That's all it
need. Just throw in a good repentance
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verse, yeah, of which there's
many, and and talk about that.
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That true repentance means more than just
saying you're sorry for your sins, that
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you first I brought her to a
recognition of sin. I don't know if
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I I think maybe a sense of
sorrow over her sin, but I never
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talked about how true repentance means turning
from this life of Sin and and you
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change your actions. If there's true
repentance, you change your actions and that's
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it. That is very critical,
especially in front of an abortion center,
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because true repentance, if you have
agreed with everything that I have just shared
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with you, true repentance means you're
not going to go in there and kill
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your baby, right, and there
are people I have actually said that too.
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So I know I don't always forget
repentance, but I know sometimes I
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do, because it's not mentioned in
the Romans ten nine verse, and that's
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where I'm really queuing in on on
sharing the gospels. So I need to
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add a good verse regarding repentance.
Yeah, I think. I think it
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would have been better. Yeah,
and that's what Draymin for, is repentance
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toward God and faith toward the Lord
Jesus, like it talks about the book
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of facts. They preach repentance toward
God and faith toward the Lord Jesus.
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Yeah, so that's what we have
for you. Don't think there's anything else
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really that I wanted to touch on. It was kind of a long counseling
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session. So, yeah, then
want to lay were too long at the
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end and kind of breaking down critique
and that sort of thing. I said,
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I think it went pretty good.
Anything you want to mention before were
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I will tell you I wanted to
do this in eight minutes. That was
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my goal and I kept watching the
clock taking I was thinking what could I
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have left out? So I do
think it's important to remember we don't want
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to rush God and we don't.
This is if we're going to take a
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long time with something, this is
where we want to spend our time.
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I think, because we've said so
many times, the heart that is willing
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to ape Bart a child is going
to continue no matter how many goodies we
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give her, unless her heart has
been changed towards God. Yeah, yeah,
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absolutely, and I will say that
these sessions like this, sharing the
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Gospel, could happen over in the
shade right yeah, or it could happen
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on the phone. It could happen
on the mobileltra sound unit could help happen
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in the pregnancy center. It could
happen over coffee, breakfast, dinner.
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I have ething like that. I've
even texted this when a mom says I'm
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just so busy, can you can
you text, and I'll say, okay,
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I will take whatever opportunity they offer
me. Sure. And so,
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ultimately, though, it's the Holy
Spirit that does right, the changing of
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the hearts. We have to share, we have to be faithful to share,
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but the word of God tells us
to share, which I believe we
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were aiming for repentance. So we
want to bring the truth of sin to
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bear. We want to lay out
there saying their guilt before God and and
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then show them that Jesus is the
savior, he's the remedy for the problem
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of sin. Yeah, thank you
did that well. So praise God for
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that. Hope you guys were blessed
as you listen to you. Please reach
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out to us if you have suggestions
of future podcast. We're going to continue
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to do some of these mock sessions. We think they are blessing to people.
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We're going to continue to cover other
subjects to but if you have other
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subjects in particular that we haven't yet
covered that you would want us to cover,
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or maybe subjects we have covered that
you want us to dig a little
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deeper into we'd certainly love to do
that. You can reach out to me,
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Daniel, Love Life Dot Org.
You can reach her, Vicky,
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at Love Life Dot Org. And
until next time, God, bless God,
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bless our love for love. Give
me our love for gratitude. I
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know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, and some that
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you