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I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me,
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Lord, I am yours, I
am yours. I'm welcome to the
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Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a
podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge
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you in pro life ministry and always
were the focus on the Gospel. Stay
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tuned. I felt show passish touch
your heart. Welcome back to the Gospel
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Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you
guys joining us. Appreciate if you guys
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would share this podcast with other people
and, like we always do, at
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the end of this episode we're going
to give our email addresses so you could
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reach out to us with suggestions for
future podcasts maybe some comments about this particular
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episode. This episode is kind of
springboarding off of our previous episode where we
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did a mock session with Vicki and
Maddie and they pretended Maddie was an agnostic
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coming to the abortion center and was
afraid that her baby was going to be
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going to have issues because she had
been drinking and had been smoking and that
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sort of thing, which is not
uncommon actually. So this episode actually springboard
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and off of that. was kind
of at the end of that last episode
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she said, will you come over
with me in the shade here and we'll
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talk further. This was them talking
further, her sharing the gospel with Maddie,
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who's actually her name is not Sarah
in this one, right, it's
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Cathathy, Cathy, okay. So, anyway, we're going to give you
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guys an opportunity to listen to this
mock counseling session and then, as we
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have in time past, we're going
to come and talk a little bit about
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it, some of the things that
went well, some of the things that
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could have been done better. And
Vicki said that there was one blaring omission
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on her part. MM. So
we're going to talk about what that might
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be. Maybe you guys, as
you're listening through, try to figure out
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what is that blaring omission on her
part and how could she never leave that
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out again? Right, so I'll
be shamed into it. No more.
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Yes, anything you want to add
before we jump into the video? Obviously
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it's a video, but right,
you guys are listening on a podcast.
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Yeah, so you're not seeing the
video, but it's okay. The audio.
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Yeah, it's great. We will
be able to post the videos,
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I think, on sidewalks for life. With the article that goes along with
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this. But the the one thing
that I wanted to add is remember this
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is an agnostic mom this is different
from how I would share the gospel if
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it was someone who has already said
I believe in Jesus, I believe in
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God. I was really so it. There were two things that I was
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going for here with with her being
someone who really didn't believe in Jesus at
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all, and that was, first
of all, to introduce her to Jesus
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and then to introduce the truth,
the Gospel. Yeah, okay, all
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right, I guess we'll listen in
and we'll be back after after this mock
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session. Okay, so you've got
the information and thank you so much that
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you're willing to talk with me.
Yeah, about God, I mean I'm
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hoping it'll be life changing, and
it was for me. Like I was
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telling you, I'm post abortive and
it was when I really came to grips
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with what I had done and when
I had my first son. Is is
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when I saw God and I and
I really I found him, and the
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Bible says that the door will be
open to all who knock. God.
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God extends the invitation to be found
to everyone of us, all who see
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can will find him. The Bible
says. That's what I'm hoping is that
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at least he'll you know, you'll
get a sense of of that he is.
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He is there and he is seeking
you and waiting for you just to
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turn to him. But but you
know what, I never got your name
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and I'm so sorry. I'm what
is your name? I'm cathy here,
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Cathy, okay, Cathy, and
you and I'm Viking and my name and
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numbers is on the back right.
Okay, so you can talk with me
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at any time and I know we
talked about that. We're going to help
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you, and I want you to
know all the help we offer is completely
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in no way contingent on how you
feel about God, not at all.
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You reject God completely, we're still
going to help you because we feel called
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by God to do our best to
help you and whatever situation you face.
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Okay, so why don't we start
with just I hope this doesn't happen,
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but if you were to, you
know, get in your car and drive
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away and getting an accent and die, where do you think you'd be going?
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Heaven or Hell? I don't know. What if you just like cease
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to exist. Okay, so you
might, you might cease to exist.
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Let's say that there is a heaven
and there is a hell, place to
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reward, enjoy an eternal the the
spirit is eternal, and there's a place
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where God is. I mean the
bottle certainly talks about heaven and a hell.
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Heaven where you're with God for all
eternity. Hell, we are,
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you are separated from God in eternal
torment for all eternity. So where do
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you think if it thinking about your
life, where do you think you would
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be going? I don't know.
I mean I've done some pretty bad stuff
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but like, for the most part
I've been pretty good and I'm not I
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don't like het people in general or
saying okay, so you're pretty good person.
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Like if there was a scale and
you wage your good and bad on
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the scale, good tips a little
bit higher than bad, a little bit.
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Yeah, okay. Let me ask
you some questions. Have you ever
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told a lie? Yeah, okay. What does that make you're okay.
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Have you ever stolen something? Oh
Yeah, yeah, does that make you
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a thief? Okay. Have you
ever taken the Lord's name in vain?
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You know what I mean by that, like if you my gosh, or
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yeah, yeah, but you yeah, or Jesus Christ, and use it
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as a cuss word, really an
exclamation of surprise or anger, cussing and
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anger and hurling it at someone.
Have you ever done that? But the
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okay, IE, I have two
and the Bible takes that very seriously.
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It's called blasphemy. So you and
I are blasphemers according to the Bible.
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How about, have you ever looked
with lust upon someone you're not married to?
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Let me ask you how you married. Okay, and you're pregnant,
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so we know the answer their question. Okay. And and the Bible says
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that if you even look with lust
upon someone that you're not married to,
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you've committed adultery in your heart.
So, according to the standard of the
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Bible, which everything begins in the
heart, all sin begins in the heart.
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And according to the biblical standard,
if you've looked, even looked with
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lust upon a man you're not married
to, you've committed adultery, makes you
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an adulterer right according to this right
now. How about, have you ever
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murdered? No, no, okay. How about if you took that human
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beings life, would that be murder? I guess it depends on what you
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consider murder. Okay, I'm well, murders the taking of an innocent human
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life. Is that human being innocent? Yes, yeah, I mean I
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guess it is. And it's a
human being right with other human DNA from
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the moment of conception. So so, by that standard, you would murder
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if you went in there and killed
your baby. Without a doubt that that's
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taking of an innocent human life.
But do you know that the Bible says
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that if you even call your brother
Rocco, which means fool, you've murdered
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him in your heart. Again,
that heart thing. But the Bible keeps
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coming back to our heart and what
happens in our heart. That's where all
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sin begins. We think about it, we dwell on it, then we
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do it, we take action.
That's the progression of sin. So you
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have just admitted that you are a
lying, thieving, blaspheming, adulter,
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is murderer. That's five of the
time. Commanders, do you still look
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so good? No, no,
not really really. So you're not alone.
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The Bible says that all have sinned
and, Paul Short of the glory
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of God, all of us all
of us in and you can see on
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that list, as I was going
through it, you're probably being alone lies
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or not so bad right. Well, stealing things once in a while for
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a good reason, maybe as night. But as the list progressed, I
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think you were beginning to kind of
think, wow, that's sin. has
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kind of added up and and and
it's pretty pretty significant in my life.
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So all have sinned and false show
the glory of God, and the Bible
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also says that there's a penalty for
sin. For example, you have a
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mother and you were a child,
and when you were a child, if
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your mother had not had consequences,
punishment for your wrongdoing, would you have
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grown up to be a responsible,
good human being? Do you think?
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I don't think either one of us
are responsible good you. Okay, so
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maybe she'd. Maybe she didn't do
that right, maybe she didn't discipline you,
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and maybe that's part of why you've
led down a path we're kind of
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yours, maybe looking now with a
little bit of regret on some of the
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things you've done. So so there
is a penalty. Even a parent,
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a good parent of course, disciplines
their child. God, if he's the
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god of the Bible, that I'm
claiming he is, then he is the
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best parent. He is a perfect
parent in fact, because if he created
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everything, then he is mighty above
all else, and if he has created
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these people, he has the right
to do with them whatever he desires.
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And one of the things he has
done is he's given us his commandments,
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his law, and we've broken them. And if, if we've broken the
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law in in a real court house, let's say you were in you were
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in court and you had committed murder
and they knew you'd committed murder and and
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they the judge says, how do
you how do you plead anything? Guilty,
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because you know you're guilty, but
you say, but I'm really sorry.
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Most of the time I'm good,
and let's you know, on one
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of my bad days, that I
committed murder, but I promise I won't
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do it again and I think you
should let me go free. Would he
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be a good judge if he let
you go free? No, no,
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because you have a sense of justice. Right there, that's not justice.
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Well, why do you think you
have a sense of justice? Have you
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ever thought about that? I'll tell
you why. Because there the Creator is
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universe, who we are made in
the image of the Bible says, is
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a god of justice. He's got
a love. He loves you so much,
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just as your mother hopefully loved you
so much, or someone in your
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life, I'm sure, loved and
cared about you. But it's not love
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if we just let you run wild
with no restrictions, no boundaries, no
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laws, and if, when you
break those laws, there isn't justice and
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you're returned to a right relationship with
that, with your parent, with ever
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who it was who who you've broke
the law, and justice is served by
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their being some sort of consequence.
Right. Well, the Bible says the
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penalty for sin is death. That's
the consequence hell, eternal separation from God.
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And that makes sense when you think
about like that courtroom scene. Right,
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there has to be a penalty,
especially when you've committed something serious us,
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like murder. But what if the
judge said to you, look,
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Cathy, I know you're guilty of
murder. The state requires the penalty for
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murder is the electric chair. That
penalty must be paid and I'm going to
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make a deal with you now.
No judge on earth is ever going to
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do this, but let's just pretend
he has. The power and willingness to
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do this. What if he says, I'm going to make a deal with
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you because, you know what,
you're young, I've lived a full,
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long life and and I just care
about you, and instead of you going
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to the electric chair, I'll go
in your place. I will pay the
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penalty that you deserve. Now,
you see, no judge ever going to
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really do that. But but if
he did, you have a choice to
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make. Right if you say to
that judge, wow, that's amazing,
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I can't believe you would do that
for me, but thank you. Sure,
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then who's going to go to the
electric chair? You were the judge,
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the judge, the judge. Could
you've accepted what he's going to do
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for you? You can't believe it, but he's going to. So the
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judge goes, and who is set
free? Me? You. If,
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on the other hand, the judge
makes that offer and you say had no
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way, I know you're just trying
to trick me. I'm pretty sure you
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wouldn't do it anyway, and besides
that, it's honestly not pair. I
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can't let you do that. Then
who goes to the electric chair? You?
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Well, in a similar way,
it's not perfect, analogy at all.
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Analogies always fall short. But in
a similar way, that's the deal
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God makes with us. He Sent
Jesus, is only begotten Son, the
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Bible says, fully human but fully
man, to Earth with one purpose,
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that he was to live a perfect
sinless life, which he did. In
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the Bible is a historical book.
There is no account of Jesus ever sinning.
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There were other books written at that
time period. None of them accused
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Jesus Sin Never. He never committed
a sin. Did he owe the penalty
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for death? No, the penalty
for sin, which is death. No,
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he did not owe it. Right, right, you do. I
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do. In fact everyone does,
because we've all sinned and fall short of
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God's glory, and the penalty for
sin is death. So Jesus lived thirty
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three years on earth. Willingly said, I will pay the penalty. You
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me, everyone in that abortion center
and on this street. Everyone the penalty
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we all own. He would go
to the devastating death, the horrific,
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just tormentous death of the Cross to
pay the penalty for sin that we deserved.
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Do you know about the cross?
That? It's hard to grow up
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in America not know about the Crustian
yeah, and so you know, Jesus
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went to the cross, did this
terrible death and three days later Easter,
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the what we celebrated Easter. He
rose from the dead. Now, first
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of all, that proves two things. Right, can you rise from the
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dead? How about how to drive? I don't think so. Now proves
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he's God, he's something, not
US anyway. Right, right, when
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he rose from the dead, from
the dead. What did he overcome that?
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Yeah, he overcame death. So
He's proving that he has the power
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to overcome the penalty for sin,
the you and I own. He overcame
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death, he overcame sin, he
paid the penalty for every bit of it
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for us. Now, how do
we know he rose from the dead?
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I'm not going to say that there
is an element of faith. There is,
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but there are some very convincing evidence
of that. Again, there were
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books written at the same time period
that talk about this, this huge influx
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of followers of this man who supposedly
died on on the cross, and these
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followers are saying they saw him risen, risen from the dead. Those are
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extra biblical books. The Bible says
that he rose from the dead and we
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know from history that everyone except for
one of the apostles, the twelve men
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that followed Jesus during his earthly ministry. Every one of them died a martyr's
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death rather than recamped their belief that
they saw he had risen from the dead.
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Would you die for something that you
knew was alive? If you knew
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he had not risen from the dead, would you say no, go ahead
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and kill me, he rose from
the dead. Never but all of the
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just top a disciples, but one
one of them prison after death. All
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of the rest of them died a
horrific martyr's death rather than we can't the
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truth that Jesus rose from the dead. So I'm going to read you one
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of my favorite verses. It's Romans
ten nine. If you declare with your
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mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe
in your heart that God raised him from
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the dead, you will be saved. And I want to just talk about
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that a little. If you declear
with your mouth, speak it that Jesus
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is Lord, what do you think
that means? Jesus is Lord. What
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is Lord? What is the Lord
of Your Life? What does that mean?
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Like if money was Lord, would
you do anything to get money?
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Probably, if it was Lord.
Right. So what if Jesus is Lord,
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what do you think that means?
Through anything to get Jesus, do
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anything to get Jesus do everything he
says right. And he says that in
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the Bible. He says, if
you love me, you will obey me.
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That's how we show our love of
Jesus. And he also says in
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other verses, why do you call
me Lord, Lord, and not do
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what I say? So He's saying
if you're not doing what I'm saying,
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if you're murdering, if you're lying, if you're blasphemy and you're continuing in
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that, then he's not more.
But if he is Lord, if you're
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going to call him Lord, he
will do what he says. That's what
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this first says. So if you
declare with your mouth that he's Lord,
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believe in your heart that God raised
him from the dead, like those twelve
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disciples and all those witnesses that saw
him, and now us today that look
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at the evidence of this incredible creation, of the fact that you're alive,
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of the fact that the womb has
is perfectly designed for the miracle of life,
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that of the design of even a
strand of DNA is just so intricate
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that there is a creator, and
if you believe that that creator tears about
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you and rose from the dead,
then you will be saved. And what
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that means is you can have eternal
life with Jesus, with God, and
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the beautiful result, the Bible tells
us, is that the Holy Spirit enters
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our heart at that moment when we
submit our life to Jesus. He enters
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our heart and guides us into all
righteousness, so that this burden that you
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have probably fought, this terribly wearying
burden of sin that has led you to
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a place how but you never thought
you'd come that burden of sin, it
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is removed and instead what is replaced
is a deep desire to please and follow
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and Love God, and he will
help you. So I want to ask
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you, I know you've never done
that. Is that something you'd be interested
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in doing? Some Way Out?
I want to learn more about I've never
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heard it explain that way before.
Just yeah, I guess it just seems
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like God just doesn't want us to
have a good time. It does.
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They're now, do you understand?
Maybe he's protecting you right because he's this
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going to be a good time going
in there and carrying your baby now and
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not at all. So I hope
it's made you think a couple of things.
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I'd love to give you some more
information and I can send you.
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I'd love to get your number,
yeah, and and text, text you
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some some sources that were you can
explore more on your own and I'd love
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to keep talking with you about this. But at the very least, can
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I encourage you to come with me
for an ultra sound, let's look at
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your baby and then kind of go
from there? Yeah, we can do
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that. Okay, God, let
you let me. Let me just go
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see if I can get them on
the phone and take you over there.
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Thank you. Well, we're back. We hope that was a blessing to
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you guys. Gotten a lot of
feedback in the past from people who've said
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that these MOX sessions were blessing.
You kind of get to listen in on
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some of the things that we might
say as we're ministering to a mom at
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the abortion center. So we're going
to comment on some of the things,
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but I mean, all in all, think it is good and we told
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you guys, to talk about or
think about the blaring omission. That thing
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that Vicky left out of her conversation
with Cathy, but it gets Cathy and
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sharing the Gospel with her. So
maybe we'll say that for yeah. And
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what was that? Yeah, what
was that thing that she forgot? I
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didn't think it was to me and
see it as a as a blaring omission,
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but certainly some yeah, could have
focused on yeah, I do know.
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Just starting out, I think one
of our critiques of the last last
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portion of this whole session was that
you didn't get her name, and so
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it's important that we get their name. It's not something that I get,
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I'm sure this in the past,
right away. It probably in the course
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of the conversation. Depends on the
conversation. Sometimes I'll get their name right
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away, but I don't want to
be I don't want to come across as
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a creeper. Right, I'm trying
to get all the day. Sure,
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yeah, they don't want to be
given out personal information when we first meet
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him because they have heard bad things
about us, they don't like us.
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Yeah, they don't want to stop
me exactly. Yeah. So, can
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I get your name and can I
go ahead and get your email address?
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Oh, oh, yet, would
you give your so security number in your
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home agsty. I got a credit
card on you. Yeah, of course
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wouldn't to come across this creepers.
We're not trying to get information just for
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the sake of information, but we
want to build a relationship. Having their
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name is important in this portion.
You did apologize. Hey, I think
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get your name before right. What's
your name? She here's your name or
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names Cathy, and you continue to
minister to her from there. I want
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to make an important point on something
that I want to make sure that all
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of us in sidewalk ministry do.
If we are going to be giving resources
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to the MOM's it is very important
if you start a gospel discussion that you
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tell them right off the bat nothing
that we offer will be affected in any
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way by any decision you make.
For Jesus, yeah, and and I
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did, and I say that at
the GECKO. I said that at the
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beginning of this of the session just
just that you just watched. Very important
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we have. That was one of
the points. Yeah, I wrote that
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down. That's one of the points
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nothing that I say and no decision
that you make based on what I
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say has anything to do with whether
or not you get a free ultrasound?
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Will or not we give you a
baby shower, and none of the help
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that we offer is connected with what
decision you make. Now we have been
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accused of that by proabortion people and
and whatever else. You guys make them
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jump through all these hoops before you
give them any resources. That has never
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been the truth. That's right and
it will never be the truth. However,
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I will say that some organizations,
mean you think about organizations like food
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pantries and things like that, they
have certain hoops, so to speak,
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the people jump through. So there's
things. There's like like we need information
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from them, like that's a hoop
that everybody has a jump through. We
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didn't know where you live and who
you are if we're going to be helping
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you, because how we're going to
help you if we don't know who you
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are? You know so. But
as far as like you have to do
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this, you have to take this
class or do that thing, we don't
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do that. It's just not who
we are. No, we do I
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will say, though, that their
pregnancy centers that do that, that say
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you need to be enrolled in these
classes, the parenting classes, to get
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certain things. I don't see anything
wrong with that? No, I don't
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either. They're giving a service.
Yeah, I think it's wisdom, but
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as far as we're concerned, the
resources that we offer they're connected with,
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with just US knowing who they are, connecting them with the mentor. Often
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times we talked about that, that
mentors going to give them those those different
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resources and things like that. But
it's not like in order to get a
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mentor they have to ask Jesus into
their heart, anything like that. That
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would be so unbiblical to say yeah, you can, you can earn Jesus
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right by, we will give you
all these things and as long as you
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sign on the dotted line that you
love the Lord, then we will give
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you more right now. That would
be that would be awful, and that's
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why we're a little bit different from
other organizations and that at this point we're
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offering the Gospel and there can be
no strings attached to your decision to because
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we don't want to create false converts. That's correct. I don't want someone
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saying yeah, as Jesus in them
a heart because I know that I'm going
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to be able to get these free
goodies right. That's I don't want that.
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That's to me. I don't want
to create false converts that I abhor
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that. So, for their sake
and for the sake of the Lord,
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we want to make sure we make
that plane. None of these things that
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we're offering, resources are offering,
has any any connection to whether you make
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a decision for or against Jesus and
see we he'll atheist. Right, we
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have. We've helped lesbian atheists that
have come to the abortion center. You
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say, do lesbians, Lesbian Atheists, get pregnant? They they do,
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strangely, if we've encountered them,
trust me, we have. We help
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them, whether they make a decision
for Jesus or not. We help anyone
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everyone that we can in as much
as we're able. So jumping into you
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sharing the Gospel and kind of yeah, the way that you lay things out.
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What are the first questions you asked? Has To do with eternal destiny,
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right, heaven or hell, and
I think it's good to get that
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out there. Right, it's good
to get it out there. I think
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you mentioned what if you died going
home? Is that how you worded it?
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you were hit by a car on
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the way, we can pray you're
not. I always remind them. I
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want them open that happens to you. But if it did happen, yeah,
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are you going to go to heaven
or hell? Yeah, now she
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said something to the effect of,
well, what if I just cease to
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exist? What if I just don't
exist again, she's playing at the part
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of an agnostic who, right doesn't
really know whether or not there's even a
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heaven or hell. So then I
made it a hypothetical right, because I
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didn't really want to get into dealing
with that answer. Yeah, and that's
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I think that's wisdom. Right.
Yeah, it's let the Holy Spirit do
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his work. Right. We're not
going to be able to get into an
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apologetic about heaven or hell and the
afterlife and all this other stuff, like
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you're not. It's not wise to
go around that mountain continually before you even
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get into sharing the Gospel. Right, just, okay, hypothetically speaking,
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what if? What if it is
true that there's a heaven and a hell,
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and then you just roll with it? That's what you did. Not
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I like that. Yeah, I
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of reward and a place of punishment, to even if it's not what you
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call heaven or Hell? Yeah,
yeah, so just going right through that
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and just asking heaven or hell.
She lays out like most parts, like
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like the Bible says. The Bible
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You give people an opportunity. Are
you a good person, a bad
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person? Are you a person worthy
of Heaven or hell? Most people are
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going to say, well, I'm
a pretty good person. I'm not think
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she said this. I've done some
bad things, but generally speaking I'm a
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good person, so probably going to
heaven, all right. Yeah, and
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then you jump right into the way
of the Master Rate Comfort, the way
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that he shares the Gospel. Yeah, and showing CAS Cathy, Cathy,
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that she's not a good person,
and she admitted in the end. Nope,
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I guess I really am not.
Yeah, I've never had someone to
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say wow, well, I really
am, and you're full of it with
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lies. Yeah, I mean what
you get sometimes if you're laying out that
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you know. Have you ever told
a lie? I'm a liar. I
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mean at the end you do it
just like great comfort does. So you're
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a lying, blaspheming adulter at a
lying, thieving blaspheming adulter at heart.
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How does that sound? Most people
like, yeah, if that's the standard,
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I'm getting measured by toast. Right. Sometimes I'll get people to respond.
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Well, you know, I'm still
a good person. Really, a
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liar, a thief, a blasting
or an adulter, and you're still a
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good person. Yeah, then,
what does a bad person look like?
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They can see that person. Yeah. So I think it's good, I
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think to what we've always pushed,
what we've always supported and gotten behind as
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far as training for evangelism has been
the way of the master. This is
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an effective way to share the gospel. Now, I will say this.
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Sharing People's guilt for sin and sharing
the law, and are you a liar?
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All that that is actually not sharing
the Gospel. Right. You're not
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sharing the Gospel. You're making groundwork. You're plowing the ground to share the
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Gospel. You're showing them why they
need the Gospel, why they need to
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save your until they come to that
understanding, the Gospel doesn't matter. They
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have no idea. They need Je
Sus. Yet, until you've convinced them,
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you really are bad person and you
are hopeless. You cannot get out
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of that cycle of Sin Yourself.
And most people will ultimately agree that.
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Yeah, that we can lay out
that way. It's just like a doctor.
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We talked about this in the past. You've got to convince someone that
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they're sick before they're going to receive
the remedy. Right, right. Yeah,
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and the remedy, of course,
is the Gospel. That's that's the
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Gospel. The remedy sharing what Jesus
has done and his death is barrel's resurrection,
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but sharing the conviction of sin and
the guilt that we have before God.
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That's not sharing the Gospel, but
that's laying the groundwork for sharing the
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gospel. That showing people their guilt, right, they see that they need
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a relationship with Jesus, right,
and then moving into the whole justice,
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the the court and and the idea
that they're there is justice and that we
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all desire justice, and most people
can really relate to that. One of
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the things that I didn't do that
I could have done was, as she
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was really she understood justice. She
seemed to truly understand consequence for sin and
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the need for justice and maybe introducing
the idea of justice towards her child.
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Yeah, and and I didn't that. That, again, was something I
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could have. I could have used
that that. I think she would have
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been with me on that. Yeah, so, but, yeah, the
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rat comfort framework is really good.
I do tweak it a little, like
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I don't exactly follow how great comfort
does it in that. I spend a
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lot of time on that. Romans
ten nine. Yeah, first and the
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reason for that is in where we
are, so many of the women claim
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to be believers. Yeah, they'll
leaven say not only do they believe in
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Jesus, believe in God, but
Jesus is their Lord. Run, they
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have proclaimed him as their Lord.
Yeah, and we really want to expose
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the truth or lack of truth of
that statement if they are there actively rebelling
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against God in such a serious thing
as killing their own child. Yeah,
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and you ask that question specifically,
and I'll like the way that you lay
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that out. If money is your
Lord, then will you do anything for
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money? Yeah, you will do
anything to get money. Jesus is your
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Lord, she says, I'll do
anything to get Jesus. Well, yes,
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you kind of reframed it. I
believe you'll do anything that he says.
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You'll obey him. Right, and
that's really what you're getting to,
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are you obeying God? Are you
doing the things that he commands you to
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do? And, of course,
in this scenario, are you obeying him
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as it concerns your Inborn Child?
Obeying him by not going in and murdering
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your child? Right and also,
and this can be slightly controversial, I'll
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think, for people, but as
you're laying out Romans ten, if you
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confess with your mouth and believe in
your heart Jesus Christ as Lord, confessor
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Math Jesus Christ as Lord, and
believe in your heart that God's raised him
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from the dead, you shall be
saved. And you try to get them
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to to make a profession of faith. You give them what some people might
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call an invitation. Would you like
to do that right now? Would you
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like to confess Jesus as your Lord
Right now? To pray and confess Jesus
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as Lord Now? She turned down
that opportunity right she say something like I
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think about about it, I want
to learn about it more. It's the
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first time I've heard it represented that
way. I love a response like that.
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Honestly, that's what I want them
to be sparked on to learn for
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themselves. It that faith has to
be their own, not just because someone
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has told it. Yeah, yeah, what you don't want is trying to
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trick them into saying the sinner's prayer
so you can put a notch on your
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belt. Right, I've got another
one, saved or whatever. Well,
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if you, if you're considered that, just say this after me real quick.
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Trick him into quote getting saved.
Yeah, again, we don't want
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to create false converts, right.
Won't people who are truly convicted for their
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sin feel their guilt before God,
on their need for a savior and that
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are truly repent it? Right,
and that might spring board into what you
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thought was a blaring amission. Yeah, which I didn't think was was a
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blaring a mission. Certainly you could
talk to more about repentance and that's what
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it was. Right, right.
I never, never mentioned repentance. It
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has occurred to me for a long
time I really need at my fingertips a
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good repentance verse. That's all it
need. Just throw in a good repentance
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verse, yeah, of which there's
many, and and talk about that.
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That true repentance means more than just
saying you're sorry for your sins, that
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you first I brought her to a
recognition of sin. I don't know if
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I I think maybe a sense of
sorrow over her sin, but I never
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talked about how true repentance means turning
from this life of Sin and and you
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change your actions. If there's true
repentance, you change your actions and that's
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it. That is very critical,
especially in front of an abortion center,
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because true repentance, if you have
agreed with everything that I have just shared
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with you, true repentance means you're
not going to go in there and kill
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your baby, right, and there
are people I have actually said that too.
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So I know I don't always forget
repentance, but I know sometimes I
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do, because it's not mentioned in
the Romans ten nine verse, and that's
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where I'm really queuing in on on
sharing the gospels. So I need to
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add a good verse regarding repentance.
Yeah, I think. I think it
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would have been better. Yeah,
and that's what Draymin for, is repentance
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toward God and faith toward the Lord
Jesus, like it talks about the book
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of facts. They preach repentance toward
God and faith toward the Lord Jesus.
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Yeah, so that's what we have
for you. Don't think there's anything else
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really that I wanted to touch on. It was kind of a long counseling
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session. So, yeah, then
want to lay were too long at the
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end and kind of breaking down critique
and that sort of thing. I said,
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I think it went pretty good.
Anything you want to mention before were
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I will tell you I wanted to
do this in eight minutes. That was
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my goal and I kept watching the
clock taking I was thinking what could I
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have left out? So I do
think it's important to remember we don't want
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to rush God and we don't.
This is if we're going to take a
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long time with something, this is
where we want to spend our time.
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I think, because we've said so
many times, the heart that is willing
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to ape Bart a child is going
to continue no matter how many goodies we
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give her, unless her heart has
been changed towards God. Yeah, yeah,
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absolutely, and I will say that
these sessions like this, sharing the
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Gospel, could happen over in the
shade right yeah, or it could happen
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on the phone. It could happen
on the mobileltra sound unit could help happen
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in the pregnancy center. It could
happen over coffee, breakfast, dinner.
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I have ething like that. I've
even texted this when a mom says I'm
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just so busy, can you can
you text, and I'll say, okay,
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I will take whatever opportunity they offer
me. Sure. And so,
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ultimately, though, it's the Holy
Spirit that does right, the changing of
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the hearts. We have to share, we have to be faithful to share,
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but the word of God tells us
to share, which I believe we
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were aiming for repentance. So we
want to bring the truth of sin to
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bear. We want to lay out
there saying their guilt before God and and
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then show them that Jesus is the
savior, he's the remedy for the problem
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of sin. Yeah, thank you
did that well. So praise God for
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that. Hope you guys were blessed
as you listen to you. Please reach
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out to us if you have suggestions
of future podcast. We're going to continue
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to do some of these mock sessions. We think they are blessing to people.
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We're going to continue to cover other
subjects to but if you have other
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subjects in particular that we haven't yet
covered that you would want us to cover,
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or maybe subjects we have covered that
you want us to dig a little
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deeper into we'd certainly love to do
that. You can reach out to me,
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Daniel, Love Life Dot Org.
You can reach her, Vicky,
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at Love Life Dot Org. And
until next time, God, bless God,
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bless our love for love. Give
me our love for gratitude. I
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know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, and some that
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you