Sharing the Gospel at an Abortion Center-Unique Challenges

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.759 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:11.029 Lord, I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center per life podcast. 3 00:00:11.429 --> 00:00:14.750 This episode, Vicki and out talk about the unique challenges of sharing the 4 00:00:14.830 --> 00:00:19.910 Gospel at an abortion center and how to biblically overcome those challenges. Stay with 5 00:00:20.030 --> 00:00:33.380 us. I felt show passish touchs your home. Use me he there. 6 00:00:33.780 --> 00:00:38.929 Welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. I'm here with Daniel Parks. 7 00:00:39.649 --> 00:00:44.689 Today. We are going to talk about the unique challenges of sharing the Gospel 8 00:00:44.729 --> 00:00:49.289 at an abortion center, because it is unique. It's not like sharing the 9 00:00:49.329 --> 00:00:54.759 Gospel at Walmart or at your local flea market, hanging out track to the 10 00:00:54.759 --> 00:01:00.759 flea market's right, and it has some unique challenges and we've really discovered that 11 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:06.269 in our years being out there. Yeah, that that there are some typical 12 00:01:06.349 --> 00:01:14.950 rationalizations, justifications that you hear and that you honestly can make matters worse by 13 00:01:15.909 --> 00:01:19.859 what you decide to share with the women and you have to became even even 14 00:01:21.140 --> 00:01:25.540 some tombs of the timing. We did a podcast some months ago about the 15 00:01:25.620 --> 00:01:30.180 message of forgiveness and that there's a real need for us to think through our 16 00:01:30.260 --> 00:01:33.650 timing as we're talking about forgiveness and those sort of things. Of course the 17 00:01:33.689 --> 00:01:38.450 Gospel includes the forgiveness of sin. So there are some challenges. There's some 18 00:01:38.569 --> 00:01:42.489 timing issues we need to talk about, some wording issues, some some some 19 00:01:42.650 --> 00:01:48.000 things that will confront in front of an abortion center that we might not confront 20 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:51.599 and other scenarios when we're sharing the Gospel. It's sound like the Gospel changes. 21 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:55.879 The Gospel doesn't. The Gospel is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. 22 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:00.760 The Gospel doesn't change, but the situations in which you are presenting the 23 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:06.109 Gospel Do. Yeah, and Paul was all things tall people and he learned 24 00:02:06.629 --> 00:02:12.229 to look at the circumstances of the people to whom he was addressing and he 25 00:02:12.349 --> 00:02:16.860 would alter his presentation based upon that and he was obviously very successful. Yeah, 26 00:02:16.979 --> 00:02:21.460 I think that is our goal. Yeah, first and foremost, I'll 27 00:02:21.860 --> 00:02:24.860 just touch real quick on the necessity of the Gospel. Oh, that's a 28 00:02:24.939 --> 00:02:29.539 great point. This is the Gospel Center, per life podcast, and we 29 00:02:29.860 --> 00:02:32.409 always have to Change Our Name and that we were certainly don't want to Change 30 00:02:32.409 --> 00:02:37.169 Our Name and we don't want to go move away from the necessity of the 31 00:02:37.250 --> 00:02:43.169 Gospel. Right understanding Romans Sixteen tells us that the Gospel is the power of 32 00:02:43.289 --> 00:02:49.759 God to salvation. We can't invent enough good strategies and ideas to trick people 33 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.960 into, you know, doing what God wants them to do. Know it's 34 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:57.719 the power of the Gospel and in the Holy Spirit changing a human heart. 35 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.870 So I want to encourage all of you guys, because we can slip into 36 00:03:00.870 --> 00:03:04.789 a mode we're involved in a ministry like prolife ministry, we're really dealing with 37 00:03:05.030 --> 00:03:09.830 life and death. We can slip into like a humanitarian effort mode and neglect 38 00:03:09.870 --> 00:03:14.539 the Gospel, make it a side issue, make the Gospel something we kind 39 00:03:14.539 --> 00:03:17.020 attack on at the end. And there are times when we can't just get 40 00:03:17.099 --> 00:03:21.180 right to the Gospel. We are dealing with life and death and we need 41 00:03:21.300 --> 00:03:23.819 to. Of course, everything we say is seasoned with the Gospel, but 42 00:03:23.939 --> 00:03:29.490 that we might need to address certain issues at this mom is facing and then 43 00:03:29.610 --> 00:03:31.650 share the gospel. But it's not something we're just doing as a side issue. 44 00:03:31.889 --> 00:03:36.250 The Gospel. It's got a season everything that we do and it's got 45 00:03:36.330 --> 00:03:38.610 to be ultimately, where we're getting to with all of our conversations is what 46 00:03:38.770 --> 00:03:43.479 God has done for lost human beings to rescue and to save them from their 47 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.919 sin. Right. And I think I've heard many people say, well, 48 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:52.560 the Gospel really is simple. Well, it is, yeah, but we 49 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:58.669 don't want to become lazy in how we present the simplicity of the Gospel, 50 00:03:58.710 --> 00:04:02.710 because there are times that we make it so simple that it becomes twisted and 51 00:04:02.750 --> 00:04:06.189 rationalized in their mind. That's what they're doing. For example, the message 52 00:04:06.189 --> 00:04:10.740 of forgiveness. Well, God will forgive us. That's the simple truth and 53 00:04:10.900 --> 00:04:13.539 therefore it's okay for me to go do whatever I want to do. And 54 00:04:13.620 --> 00:04:16.860 we know, certainly there's biblical proof that. No, that is not right 55 00:04:17.139 --> 00:04:23.459 accurate. So let's just maybe jump right into us do it. The typical 56 00:04:23.620 --> 00:04:26.889 rationalizations that we that we face. I wrote an article, as I often 57 00:04:26.930 --> 00:04:30.569 do, as we're kind of organizing our thoughts here, and there are some 58 00:04:30.769 --> 00:04:35.449 things that we have seen over and over and over again that are twisted rationalizations. 59 00:04:35.769 --> 00:04:42.519 Using the Gospel to justify killing their babies. Yeah, so one of 60 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.319 the first ones. Number One, women claim to be believers as they plan 61 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:50.240 their babies death. Yeah, we hear it over and over again, certainly 62 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:53.990 in the Bible Belt. Absolutely. Yeah, you know, I'm going to 63 00:04:54.029 --> 00:04:57.310 go and do this and God's going to forgive me. There's this mentality that 64 00:04:57.629 --> 00:05:00.629 somehow God is beholden to us, a is human beings, and he's got 65 00:05:00.709 --> 00:05:03.149 to forgive us. Right, because, after all, that's what he was 66 00:05:03.269 --> 00:05:06.180 created for, to forgive us and make us feel better about ourselves. That's 67 00:05:06.220 --> 00:05:11.259 the mentality. Yeah, and the reality, scripturally, is that we were 68 00:05:11.420 --> 00:05:15.500 created for him, by him, that we're beholding to him. He's not 69 00:05:15.620 --> 00:05:19.139 beholding to us. And God does it have to forgive anyone for anything. 70 00:05:19.180 --> 00:05:24.129 Right he he's not like some genie that if you just do this magic formula, 71 00:05:24.209 --> 00:05:28.529 somehow you're forgiven. It's more that somehow you do that magic formula and 72 00:05:28.610 --> 00:05:30.490 you're a believer. Yeah, and, and in many cases that's what they're 73 00:05:30.490 --> 00:05:36.800 saying. I'm I'm a believer and you can't tell me I'm I'm not right. 74 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:43.199 And and the fact that I'm going in to kill my child does not 75 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:48.519 demonstrate that my faith is not real or that my belief is not real. 76 00:05:49.069 --> 00:05:57.829 And our point in pointing out that that maybe they are not believers is not 77 00:05:58.750 --> 00:06:06.139 to to condemn or to to make them feel that they are less of a 78 00:06:06.300 --> 00:06:11.860 person than we are, but to point out that if they are believers, 79 00:06:12.180 --> 00:06:15.180 they won't kill their baby. Yeah, they will do what what, what 80 00:06:15.339 --> 00:06:17.459 God says. So I've got a good verse for them. This is a 81 00:06:17.500 --> 00:06:24.930 verse that I think directs, directly addresses this and and one that you can 82 00:06:24.970 --> 00:06:27.850 use if you have someone who's saying, well, I'm Jesus, is my 83 00:06:28.050 --> 00:06:30.410 Lord and you can't tell me he's not, and I'm going to go in 84 00:06:30.449 --> 00:06:33.040 there and kill my baby and then ask forgiveness. Yeah, so it's from 85 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:38.000 James to fourteen to seventeen. It's the verse. You want to read it, 86 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.120 sure, just save my voice. Yeah, what good is it, 87 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:46.680 my brothers, if someone says yes, faith but does not have works, 88 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.750 can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed, 89 00:06:49.790 --> 00:06:54.470 lacking daily food, and one of you says to them go in peace, 90 00:06:54.550 --> 00:06:57.629 be warm and filled, without giving them the things needed for the body, 91 00:06:57.990 --> 00:07:00.230 what good is that? So also, faith by itself, if it does 92 00:07:00.310 --> 00:07:05.779 not have works, is dead. Yeah, and so this scripture tells us 93 00:07:05.899 --> 00:07:12.300 that if you say that you have faith, yeah, that's faith. Actually 94 00:07:12.339 --> 00:07:15.970 should be demonstrated in what you do. It's not real faith, it's not 95 00:07:16.009 --> 00:07:24.089 a living faith unless it's demonstrated in what you actually do. And of course 96 00:07:24.209 --> 00:07:29.250 the Bible does not teach a works based salvation. Salvation is not by works, 97 00:07:29.850 --> 00:07:33.160 but the natural outflow of salvation, of true faith in God, is 98 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:39.959 works. You're going to do things that correspond with faith in God. And 99 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:44.040 if you're going to say that you have faith and trust in God and yet 100 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:48.029 do something so egregious as killing your child, then you've demonstrated through your actions 101 00:07:48.310 --> 00:07:51.629 that actually your faith is not real, it's not a substance of faith. 102 00:07:51.670 --> 00:07:59.620 Yeah, and and for us as a Gospel Centered Ministry, it would be 103 00:07:59.819 --> 00:08:05.420 doing a great disservice to women as they go in or as they come out, 104 00:08:05.860 --> 00:08:09.860 if they say I'm a believer, I put my faith in the Lord, 105 00:08:09.899 --> 00:08:13.889 and yet they're on their third, fourth, fifth abortion and they'll probably 106 00:08:13.930 --> 00:08:16.529 be back for a six. This is a false convert, this is not 107 00:08:16.850 --> 00:08:20.810 someone who has submitted their life to God. And so it is and I 108 00:08:20.889 --> 00:08:24.329 think, very important to challenge that. Yeah, I don't think that. 109 00:08:24.569 --> 00:08:28.560 I think it's easy for easier for us to sometimes say, well, they 110 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.200 said there a believer, yeah, and just accept that. But I don't 111 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.080 think that that is a loving thing to do. It's actually one of the 112 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.240 for me personally. I'm not testimony. One of the most loving things that 113 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.309 someone did to me, I'm a brother, was actually to confront me and 114 00:08:43.429 --> 00:08:46.070 say, Hey, man, your life doesn't line up with what you're saying. 115 00:08:46.149 --> 00:08:50.070 I was a false convert for about three years, claiming to be a 116 00:08:50.149 --> 00:08:54.190 Christian, yet still doing the things I've always done. Didn't change one bit, 117 00:08:56.100 --> 00:08:58.340 you know, still doing drugs and lying and I'll fornicating all the things 118 00:08:58.379 --> 00:09:01.659 that I did before. And my brother did the most loving thing that he 119 00:09:01.700 --> 00:09:05.259 could have done. He Con Front of me. He did a very graciously 120 00:09:05.700 --> 00:09:07.100 and I think there's a way that we can do it very graciously. I 121 00:09:07.220 --> 00:09:13.090 think when we confront some hypocrisy in someone's life, we need to do it 122 00:09:13.169 --> 00:09:16.490 with scripture. I'm a scriptural basis, not a based on our opinion. 123 00:09:16.690 --> 00:09:20.409 My opinion is, if you're here, you should know the Bible says that 124 00:09:20.649 --> 00:09:22.570 no murderer has eternal life in himself. Yeah, you can't be a Christian. 125 00:09:22.610 --> 00:09:26.279 Murder is impossible. So to murder your child and claim to be a 126 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:31.559 Christian or two incompatible things. Right. So either you're you're not a true 127 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.440 Christian and your false convert, or you are a true Christian and you're going 128 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.190 to turn away from murdering your child? That's right. And and and asking 129 00:09:39.350 --> 00:09:43.509 lots of questions to help them come to those conclusions after you've presented them with 130 00:09:43.590 --> 00:09:46.830 the truth is, as we've said in the past, a really good a 131 00:09:46.870 --> 00:09:50.190 really good strategy for helping them to admit, Hey, maybe I'm not a 132 00:09:50.350 --> 00:09:54.779 believer. Yeah, Great Comfort does that in when people say I'm a good 133 00:09:54.860 --> 00:09:58.580 person, I right. Just talked with the woman today, shared the Gospel 134 00:09:58.620 --> 00:10:01.779 with the woman today who said she was a good person. Nice. Well, 135 00:10:01.779 --> 00:10:03.980 let me ask you some questions and I'll I'll answer them as well. 136 00:10:05.179 --> 00:10:07.730 Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen? Have you ever 137 00:10:07.850 --> 00:10:11.850 fornicated? Have you ever taken the Lord's name in vain? And by the 138 00:10:11.929 --> 00:10:15.210 time I'm we finished with our list of questions, I said are you a 139 00:10:15.330 --> 00:10:18.529 good person? And said, I guess I'm really not. But she came 140 00:10:18.690 --> 00:10:24.440 to that conclusion on her own and I think that that through targeted questions and 141 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.399 I think that we can do the same. I'm challenging people when they say 142 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.519 I'm a Christian, rather than accepting that face value, because you will hear 143 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.710 it if you're on the sidewalk of an abortion center. You will hear it 144 00:10:37.070 --> 00:10:39.350 all the time, at least if you're in the south. Now again. 145 00:10:39.789 --> 00:10:45.509 o. Our mentality has to be one of we're not just pointing these things 146 00:10:45.590 --> 00:10:48.549 out, calling them unbelievers, to make ourselves feel better, right, or 147 00:10:48.750 --> 00:10:52.179 just to tear them down. Yes, because we can do this very graciously. 148 00:10:52.299 --> 00:10:56.860 You can talk someone through and show them what the Scripture says. Yeah, 149 00:10:56.100 --> 00:11:00.740 and show them that they're they're actually not right with God, and you 150 00:11:00.779 --> 00:11:03.809 can do it in such a way there's very gracious, but forth right rather 151 00:11:03.889 --> 00:11:09.129 than just you're not just blasting land, blasting them right with some certain trees 152 00:11:09.169 --> 00:11:11.450 from the scripture. Yes, and I know for a fact that you do 153 00:11:11.730 --> 00:11:15.529 that. You for sure do that, Daniel. I could use a little 154 00:11:15.529 --> 00:11:18.210 work on it. I hammer them really hard or I'm very great. You're 155 00:11:18.210 --> 00:11:22.000 very gracious. You're very gracious. Okay. So the second one. Women 156 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.919 claim that it and this is what you started alluding to earlier on. Women 157 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.279 claim that it is okay to abort since God is a forgiving God. We 158 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.870 have dealt with that in absolute podcast, but I've heard over and over again. 159 00:11:33.870 --> 00:11:37.389 I know it's wrong, but I'm going to do this because I know 160 00:11:37.750 --> 00:11:41.309 God will forgive me. Yeah, yeah, and it's again. I think 161 00:11:41.309 --> 00:11:46.309 you'd said it well. He said you're not really asking God for forgiveness. 162 00:11:46.429 --> 00:11:50.700 You're trying to ask God for permission to kill your child. God does not 163 00:11:50.820 --> 00:11:54.580 grant us permission to disobey him. Yeah, yeah, it's not really about 164 00:11:54.580 --> 00:11:58.139 forgiveness. Is a mentality and Paul addresses it when he talks about those who 165 00:11:58.259 --> 00:12:03.529 take the mercy of God for granted. They take the grace of God as 166 00:12:03.610 --> 00:12:07.450 a license for sin. Right, and it proves that they don't know the 167 00:12:07.570 --> 00:12:11.330 Lord, they have not had a true encounter with this holy, Holy, 168 00:12:11.490 --> 00:12:16.200 Holy God. And that's in Romans six, one did one through fourteen, 169 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:18.919 but a where he says, what shall we say then? Are We to 170 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.080 continue in sin? That grace may abound, may by no means how can 171 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.759 we who died to sin still live in it? And that's a great verse 172 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.799 to to mention to mom who says I'm going to go in because I know 173 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.990 that God, God will forgive me. Yeah, in those situations too, 174 00:12:33.149 --> 00:12:37.029 it's good, I think, and I think it's very biblical to use analogies 175 00:12:37.990 --> 00:12:41.909 to say well, if I told you that, you know your way for 176 00:12:43.509 --> 00:12:46.179 the weekend and I'm going to break in your house and steal all your stuff. 177 00:12:46.419 --> 00:12:50.059 Yeah, but you're going to forgive me because you're a forgiving person. 178 00:12:50.179 --> 00:12:52.620 Would you be okay with that? Right? What I be a person that 179 00:12:52.700 --> 00:12:56.139 would receive your forgiveness? Yeah, of course not. Right. I'm planning 180 00:12:56.980 --> 00:13:01.129 in my own wicked heart to do evil and then, because you're nice, 181 00:13:01.289 --> 00:13:03.809 you're going to forgive me. Right. How's that going to work out for 182 00:13:03.929 --> 00:13:05.809 me? Not too good. Right, and suffer consequence. Right, and 183 00:13:05.889 --> 00:13:09.490 stories are great, and that that does often, I think, change people's 184 00:13:09.690 --> 00:13:13.919 ability to see what Paul is talking about in that verse and the flaw in 185 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.440 their own argument. So the third one is that women claim that all sin 186 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:24.080 is the same. Yeah, so abortion is not so terrible, and I'll 187 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.990 hear the the various permutations of that, but one is, have you ever 188 00:13:28.070 --> 00:13:31.350 told a lie? Well, I'm about to go, go have an abortion, 189 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:33.950 but you're a liar. You've told lies. Yeah, and so we 190 00:13:35.149 --> 00:13:39.789 need to address that, because not all sin is the same. All Sin 191 00:13:39.950 --> 00:13:43.379 Separates US right from the glory of God, and they're they're correct in that. 192 00:13:43.100 --> 00:13:50.100 But there are magnitudes of sin and there are differing punishments for sin, 193 00:13:50.580 --> 00:13:54.259 and I know you're turning to something while you're looking there, the one I'm 194 00:13:54.259 --> 00:13:58.929 actually turned into the scripture that you have there. Okay, these are these 195 00:13:58.970 --> 00:14:01.929 are this is a great scripture, I think, addressing that and when I've 196 00:14:01.970 --> 00:14:05.049 read that to women who say all sin is the same, and I'll say, 197 00:14:05.090 --> 00:14:09.360 well, actually, Jesus himself would disagree with you. Yeah, and 198 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.360 we can prove that because scripture supports that. Yeah, yeah, and here 199 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:18.639 Jesus answered. This is in the John Nineteen, verse eleven. Yeah, 200 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:22.120 this is Jesus before pilot, right before he's about to be crucified. Jesus 201 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.190 answered sit and said You could have no power at all against me unless it 202 00:14:26.230 --> 00:14:30.590 had been given you from above. Therefore, the one who delivered me to 203 00:14:30.710 --> 00:14:35.350 you. As the Greater Sin Greater. So the word great or there implies 204 00:14:35.669 --> 00:14:39.059 that there's Lesser Sin. Now there can be some confusion here for people. 205 00:14:39.820 --> 00:14:43.940 You know, one of the things we deal with on a regular basis is 206 00:14:43.059 --> 00:14:48.500 just biblically illiterate people, right, people who've taken certain, I don't know, 207 00:14:48.740 --> 00:14:54.009 passages out of context or messages from the pulpit and taking them to mean 208 00:14:54.090 --> 00:14:58.289 something that that God never intended. So the idea that all sin is the 209 00:14:58.330 --> 00:15:01.610 same is not a biblical concept right at all. You can get all the 210 00:15:01.730 --> 00:15:07.009 time. This is also widespread. Yeah, and so you did with Biblical 211 00:15:07.090 --> 00:15:11.679 illiteracy and bringing the Bible into the equation and showing people actually, here's what 212 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:18.000 the Scripture says. You're confronting Biblical illiteracy and you're bringing the truth of God's 213 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.549 word into the equation. But also, again, I think helping with analogies 214 00:15:22.190 --> 00:15:26.190 is pretty helpful. You know, if you stand before an earthly judge and 215 00:15:26.350 --> 00:15:31.870 you stole a Pepsi at the store, are your consequences going to be the 216 00:15:31.950 --> 00:15:35.980 same? Is it the same as if you murdered your next door neighbor? 217 00:15:35.460 --> 00:15:39.299 Of course not. Those two things are very different. We have consequences that 218 00:15:39.419 --> 00:15:46.460 are very different for these different kinds of sins. But of course all sin 219 00:15:46.659 --> 00:15:50.049 does separate us from God. All Sin, whether you tell one little quote 220 00:15:50.049 --> 00:15:54.129 white lie or where do you kill someone, you are still separated from a 221 00:15:54.289 --> 00:15:58.169 holy God. So that is a truth. All Sin separates us, and 222 00:15:58.210 --> 00:16:02.409 you said it very well. All Sin separates us from God, but not 223 00:16:02.570 --> 00:16:06.159 all sin is the same. That's right, that's right. And what and 224 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:10.919 you know sometimes this can almost feel academic, like, okay, so big 225 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.960 deal, you've really made a nice organized chart of all the rationalizations. But 226 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.029 there's a reason why they're so important to know. Because if a woman is 227 00:16:18.190 --> 00:16:25.629 claiming that all sin is the same, and all of us probably every day 228 00:16:25.750 --> 00:16:29.350 there is like what I would call a little sin in our life. We've 229 00:16:29.389 --> 00:16:33.500 told the white lie. We've said yes, dinner taste delicious honey, when 230 00:16:33.659 --> 00:16:37.700 honestly it probably maybe didn't. We've all done that, but we all are 231 00:16:37.899 --> 00:16:41.259 not killing our babies. Yeah, and there is a difference and it's very 232 00:16:41.379 --> 00:16:48.809 important that they recognize that. Stumbling is not the same as just a free 233 00:16:48.929 --> 00:16:52.730 fall jump off of a cliff of sin. Yeah, and that's what abortionous. 234 00:16:52.809 --> 00:16:56.889 Yeah, and the reality is, no one actually believes that all sin 235 00:16:57.009 --> 00:17:02.440 is the same. No one actually believes that in their everyday life. Right, 236 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.799 we all know that there there are sins that are more egregious than others. 237 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:11.640 Right. There are things that people do where you wonder how in the 238 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:15.950 world could they ever do something so evil? Right, and then there are 239 00:17:17.029 --> 00:17:19.829 things that that people do that are still evil, and yet they're pretty common 240 00:17:19.869 --> 00:17:23.829 evils. Like still in a Pepsi from the grocery store or whatever it might 241 00:17:23.869 --> 00:17:27.349 be. Those things are sin and they still separate people from God. People 242 00:17:27.430 --> 00:17:32.420 that do that are still the eaves. However, we all would recognize there 243 00:17:32.460 --> 00:17:37.660 are different levels of sin. Helping a mom to understand that is can be 244 00:17:37.819 --> 00:17:40.859 helpful in giving analogies and, of course, given what the scripture says, 245 00:17:40.900 --> 00:17:45.210 totally agree. So this one is a fun one. Okay, this is 246 00:17:45.369 --> 00:17:52.490 the fourth one. Women claim that God gave us free will to choose abortion. 247 00:17:52.769 --> 00:17:55.930 Okay, it's accurate. He did. It is. Yeah, I 248 00:17:56.049 --> 00:18:00.240 mean so we do have the freedom of the will right do evil and of 249 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.880 course, as human beings, we do pretty good at doing evil, don't 250 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.480 we? Yes, we do pretty good. It take us free will, 251 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.680 YEP, and giving it to to sin. And one of the things that 252 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.910 I will say, and I've had conversations with many young men that come over 253 00:18:15.230 --> 00:18:18.390 on the sidewalk and they're there with their girlfriend, of their wife or an 254 00:18:18.430 --> 00:18:22.190 abortion, and they say some of the very similar didn't God give us free 255 00:18:22.230 --> 00:18:26.460 will right? And so my response typically is this, just because God gave 256 00:18:26.539 --> 00:18:30.140 you free will to do something does not mean that it's okay for you to 257 00:18:30.220 --> 00:18:33.099 do what you want to with that will. As a matter of fact, 258 00:18:33.099 --> 00:18:36.140 when you stand before him, it's what you've done with the free will that 259 00:18:36.180 --> 00:18:40.619 he's given you that you will be held accountable for. Exactly just because God 260 00:18:40.740 --> 00:18:44.970 allows you to do something doesn't mean he's okay with what you've done, and 261 00:18:45.930 --> 00:18:49.130 it can help bring some truth into the equation there and help these folks to 262 00:18:49.170 --> 00:18:53.970 think this through. It's really ridiculous statement. Just because God doesn't strike you 263 00:18:55.009 --> 00:18:56.640 dead before you do something, it means he's a Kay with what you're doing. 264 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.880 Right, right. So there's a very different thing between between free will 265 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:06.839 and his desire and permission. Yeah, he well, I guess he does 266 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:10.589 permit you, but his desire is clearly not in one of the best verses 267 00:19:10.750 --> 00:19:12.910 for that, I think, is Deuteronomy, three thousand nineteen to twenty. 268 00:19:12.990 --> 00:19:18.109 Yeah, maybe. Well, many of you guys probably know this scripture, 269 00:19:18.230 --> 00:19:21.390 but I call heaven and earth to witness against you that I've set before you 270 00:19:21.549 --> 00:19:25.819 life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore, choose life that you and 271 00:19:25.900 --> 00:19:29.819 your offspring may live, loving the Lord, your God, obeying his voice, 272 00:19:30.420 --> 00:19:34.259 holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, 273 00:19:34.539 --> 00:19:37.539 that you may dwell in the land and that the Lord, that the 274 00:19:37.609 --> 00:19:41.450 Lord swore to your father's, to Abraham, Isaac and to Jacob to give 275 00:19:41.490 --> 00:19:45.130 them. So here's this promise of God that before you is the choice of 276 00:19:45.329 --> 00:19:48.849 life, death, blessing and cursing. He gives you that choice. She's 277 00:19:48.890 --> 00:19:52.049 live. Yes, he said it before. Humanity choose life, death, 278 00:19:52.130 --> 00:19:56.079 blessing and cursing, you know. And we deal with the issue of choice 279 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.720 and people choosing to do what they want to do. Of course, we 280 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:03.039 mentioned before. We deal with the pro aborts that talk about choice right, 281 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.880 and many of them will say a woman has the right to choose abortion, 282 00:20:07.269 --> 00:20:11.829 doesn't she? And I will say yes, she does. She can choose 283 00:20:11.869 --> 00:20:14.509 to go right in that abortion. Could it can kill her child? Yeah. 284 00:20:14.589 --> 00:20:18.589 However, that choice has consequences. Listen, if abortion was illegal, 285 00:20:19.230 --> 00:20:23.819 people can still choose to kill their children. Sure, right now it's illegal 286 00:20:23.859 --> 00:20:26.779 to kill three year olds. Yeah, can a can a mother of a 287 00:20:26.859 --> 00:20:30.740 three year old choose to kill her child? She can, actually, she 288 00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:34.099 can, and that has happened. That doesn't make it right. Right. 289 00:20:34.259 --> 00:20:37.609 So the legality of it doesn't make it right. The the the fact that 290 00:20:37.730 --> 00:20:41.569 God gives people the ability to choose things doesn't make it right, that's a 291 00:20:41.650 --> 00:20:47.009 ridiculous notion. Right, ridiculous, but we hear it all the time, 292 00:20:47.089 --> 00:20:48.769 all the time, all the time. Yeah, okay, now, in 293 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:52.200 none of these is you're responding to a mom or to a dad going into 294 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:56.240 an abortion center, do you need to voice how ridiculous these things are to 295 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.519 them? You know, they hear what they're saying. Not Helpful, but 296 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:06.509 it is good. It is good to think through some responses not right them 297 00:21:06.549 --> 00:21:08.710 off immediately. It's easy to do because you hear these things so often. 298 00:21:08.990 --> 00:21:12.390 It's like you can probably repeat what's the next thing they're going to say because 299 00:21:12.390 --> 00:21:15.150 you hear him so often. Yeah, but again, you know our attitude. 300 00:21:17.109 --> 00:21:21.420 Listening to what they're saying is helpful and then answering with a scriptural answer, 301 00:21:21.500 --> 00:21:25.819 answering with a common sense answer is helpful. So taking the attitude that 302 00:21:25.859 --> 00:21:29.059 I'm taken to say that they're just completely ridiculous. Well, that's true, 303 00:21:29.660 --> 00:21:33.210 but that's just convey that. That's just between us. Right. Yeah, 304 00:21:33.410 --> 00:21:37.210 yeah, definitely, I think it. It's it's important to acknowledge the truth 305 00:21:37.289 --> 00:21:41.130 of what they've said. God did give us free will. I will say 306 00:21:41.130 --> 00:21:44.009 that all the time. You're correct. He did give us free will. 307 00:21:44.369 --> 00:21:48.799 But and then you counter with the scriptural truth about what he wants us to 308 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:52.279 do with that free will. Because she's clear, and he's very clear in 309 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.200 the first choose life. Yeah, you see, he sets before it's life 310 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.759 and death. Therefore, choose life, do do the right thing, and 311 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.190 is basically what exactly saying. This one is one of my favorites. Not 312 00:22:04.430 --> 00:22:11.390 Women claim that Jesus is their Lord, since they asked him into their hearts. 313 00:22:11.430 --> 00:22:15.150 Yeah, so, I often share Romans ten nine. Did today. 314 00:22:15.299 --> 00:22:21.019 I always do. It's one of my favorite verses in in introducing that idea 315 00:22:21.700 --> 00:22:25.779 in the Gospel message that if you proclaim with your mouth that Jesus is Lord 316 00:22:25.819 --> 00:22:27.420 and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, then you 317 00:22:27.500 --> 00:22:33.329 will be saved. And I almost always get the response, Oh, I 318 00:22:33.450 --> 00:22:37.450 did that. Yeah, they're still abortion minded. How I did that? 319 00:22:37.650 --> 00:22:40.049 Yeah, I did that, I did that one. So kick that box 320 00:22:40.170 --> 00:22:42.730 right. Right. So, so I spend so much time focusing on on 321 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:49.160 that Jesus is Lord. Yeah, statement. Unfortunately, this is a manifestation 322 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:55.960 of some of the weak Gospel presentations that happen in churches across America. The 323 00:22:56.079 --> 00:23:00.029 easy believi is mm and basically the setup is, you know, Here's The 324 00:23:00.150 --> 00:23:04.029 Gospel, here's the problem of sin and here's the box you need to check 325 00:23:04.069 --> 00:23:07.390 to take care of that problem. Right, just pray after me, Jesus 326 00:23:07.549 --> 00:23:10.630 is Lord, and check you're safe to check the box and ready to go 327 00:23:10.910 --> 00:23:15.539 right. And the message of Repentance, renewal of the heart, regeneration, 328 00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:21.420 the message of the holiness of God, a lot of that's been neglected. 329 00:23:21.700 --> 00:23:25.619 Yeah, and so again there's this mentality that's been embraced by people that you 330 00:23:25.700 --> 00:23:30.609 know, God's almost God was created for you to fix your problems, rather 331 00:23:30.650 --> 00:23:33.410 than you were created for him. And The holiness of God is so often 332 00:23:33.490 --> 00:23:41.049 neglected. In showing this God who they'll stand before as holy really helps people 333 00:23:41.089 --> 00:23:42.799 understand it's not just check in a box, but I need to surrender my 334 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.640 life to him. And of course we life is surrendered to him. You're 335 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:49.119 not going to give yourself the things like for Nication, an abortion right and 336 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:53.599 sin right. He's not only holy but just, and that when you start 337 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:57.509 introducing the idea of justice. That's another thing that is really neglected, in 338 00:23:57.829 --> 00:24:03.150 my experience, at least in what I'm hearing. Maybe it is introduced in 339 00:24:03.190 --> 00:24:06.950 the churches, but I'm sure not hearing it reflected and in what the women 340 00:24:06.990 --> 00:24:12.019 are saying, because even if God were just God, then obviously God would 341 00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:18.660 demand that they not go in and kill this innocent child who has caused committed 342 00:24:18.740 --> 00:24:25.809 no crime. Yeah, and that is not justice. So I often introduce 343 00:24:25.930 --> 00:24:27.890 luke six. Well, why do you call me Lord, Lord and not 344 00:24:29.009 --> 00:24:30.569 do what I tell you? Yeah, and I say Jesus himself tells you. 345 00:24:30.609 --> 00:24:33.410 If you're going to call them Lord, you're supposed to obey him. 346 00:24:33.410 --> 00:24:37.759 Yeah, and I think breaking down that word Lord is important. Yeah, 347 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.200 what does that word mean? I think that Jesus. If you claim that 348 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:45.960 Jesus is your Lord, what does that mean? Yes, Lord, just 349 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:52.640 a title, or does it imply that you're actually in subjection to what he 350 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.349 says? Because that's what it means. It's actually can be translated master. 351 00:24:56.349 --> 00:25:00.069 Yeah, so if he's in charge, basically what it means he's in charge. 352 00:25:00.109 --> 00:25:03.309 If Jesus is in charge, is he okay with you killing your child 353 00:25:03.349 --> 00:25:07.180 that he created? And of course not. And that's a great way to 354 00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:10.420 ask it. And I think one of the big surprises for me when I 355 00:25:10.460 --> 00:25:15.539 started doing this work and sharing the Gospel on a regular basis was people would 356 00:25:15.539 --> 00:25:18.339 I would say, what does that mean when Jesus is Lord, and so 357 00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:22.170 many people could not answer that. They didn't know what they'd said it. 358 00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:26.730 Yeah, and and it was a big kind of revelation to them that they 359 00:25:26.809 --> 00:25:32.009 really had said it without knowing what that entailed, which is why they're showing 360 00:25:32.049 --> 00:25:34.799 up in an abortion center and calling Jesus Lord. Yeah, well, it's 361 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:41.279 just another now kind of a common title that people use for Jesus, just 362 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:44.359 like Jesus Christ. A lot of people can't tell you who are raising church. 363 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.319 What does Christ even mean? It's like is that Jesus is last name. 364 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.910 Know, it implies something. He's annointing when he's the Messiah, the 365 00:25:52.029 --> 00:25:55.869 Lord Jesus. Well, Lord just just the title, just something you attack 366 00:25:55.950 --> 00:25:59.950 on to the front of Jesus exactly, Mr Jesus. But it has biblically 367 00:26:00.549 --> 00:26:03.150 implies a lot more than just a title before the name of Jesus. Right, 368 00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:07.660 it's who he is. If you're a Christian in your life, he's 369 00:26:07.660 --> 00:26:11.180 your master. He gets to say what goes. That's right. That's right. 370 00:26:11.660 --> 00:26:14.259 So, and I think we actually even did a podcast where we start 371 00:26:14.259 --> 00:26:17.980 would have presented that a little bit, but but if not, this is 372 00:26:18.019 --> 00:26:22.250 a good summer. You have that. So now those are all unique concerns 373 00:26:22.529 --> 00:26:26.089 and though there's, I'm sure, many, many more, but those were 374 00:26:26.210 --> 00:26:27.690 the top five that kind of came to me as I as I was working 375 00:26:27.809 --> 00:26:30.650 on this and thinking through it. So now what do we do with that? 376 00:26:30.890 --> 00:26:36.839 How Do we present the Gospel with those unique concerns in mind, because 377 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:41.839 we do believe that that the way you present the Gospel is sometimes different depending 378 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:45.759 on your audience. You're presented too, in the unique issues that arise from 379 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.549 the unique audience that you're speaking with. So we already mentioned the first one. 380 00:26:49.910 --> 00:26:55.190 Be Be careful about the message of forgiveness. Yeah, if the first 381 00:26:55.230 --> 00:26:59.950 thing you call out, and I have heard this from new inexperience counselors, 382 00:27:00.589 --> 00:27:03.740 Jesus loves you, he'll forgive you as they're on their way in to kill 383 00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:07.500 their baby. Is Their problem with that, Daniel? There's a big problem 384 00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:11.259 with that. Yeah, because listen, the fact is, will he forgive 385 00:27:11.339 --> 00:27:15.809 you? Not necessarily, he can. He's willing to if you repent. 386 00:27:17.690 --> 00:27:22.369 But you're offering the message of forgiveness at a at a bad time, because 387 00:27:22.369 --> 00:27:29.490 it's grasp on to as a justification for doing something so bad like killing your 388 00:27:29.529 --> 00:27:33.920 innocent child. And we shouldn't. You know, we got to share God's 389 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.119 Truth and God's word, but the message of God will forgive you is not 390 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:44.589 necessarily a biblical truth from that standpoint. It's God will forgive you if you 391 00:27:44.750 --> 00:27:48.710 repent. Yeah, and if you're given justification to a mom to kill her 392 00:27:48.750 --> 00:27:51.390 child, we certainly don't want to have any part of that. So that's 393 00:27:51.430 --> 00:27:55.910 why we need to be careful of offering the message of forgiveness in that way. 394 00:27:56.150 --> 00:28:00.180 And one of my favorite verses is he brews twenty six. If you 395 00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:03.019 willfully continue and sin, there remains no repentance for sin, but a fiery 396 00:28:03.099 --> 00:28:07.579 expectation of judgment. Yeah, and I don't even need to tell them what 397 00:28:07.700 --> 00:28:10.500 that means. I just say that verse and say, can you is this 398 00:28:10.660 --> 00:28:12.609 continuing and sin? You know the truth. You're walking in there knowing the 399 00:28:12.769 --> 00:28:18.890 truth. What does that first tell you? I think it's a huge warning 400 00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:25.369 and absolutely, and they usually agree. Yeah, so be fourth right about 401 00:28:25.450 --> 00:28:29.799 calling sin what it is. I think is the is the second takeaway. 402 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.480 Yeah, and some of the unit unique concerns. A lot of us shy 403 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:40.440 away from calling sin sin all the time, but especially in front of an 404 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.910 abortion center, because you don't want to make them mad at you. Yeah, 405 00:28:41.990 --> 00:28:47.589 I think that's when I when I'm careful about the words that I'm using. 406 00:28:47.789 --> 00:28:48.990 And you know, you don't want to tick them off so that you 407 00:28:49.190 --> 00:28:52.869 push them in right to the abortion center, but you can sugarcoat it so 408 00:28:52.910 --> 00:28:59.740 much that there's no awareness that what they're doing is truly heinous, ruly wrong. 409 00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:03.700 Yeah, I mean one of the things we're talking about sin and calling 410 00:29:03.819 --> 00:29:07.779 sin sin. There are those who shy away from calling abortion murder. Right, 411 00:29:07.940 --> 00:29:11.049 I did, I did for long. Yeah, and I understand that. 412 00:29:11.170 --> 00:29:14.529 Yeah, and I think there can that certainly needs to be a consideration. 413 00:29:14.849 --> 00:29:18.250 I don't think it's helpful for us to put that out, that truth 414 00:29:18.289 --> 00:29:21.410 out there like an accusation. Right, you know you're a murderer. Yes, 415 00:29:21.569 --> 00:29:25.039 as they're walking into an abortion center, because I have seen it myself. 416 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:29.279 Yeah, I've seen their feet move faster right into that abortion sen yeah, 417 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.200 I actually think, and we did, we talked about in a couple 418 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.480 episodes ago about words and words have meaning. And Yeah, I think being 419 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.470 careful with our words and saying and this is what I say often. Don't 420 00:29:41.470 --> 00:29:45.869 go in there and take the innocent life of your baby, right, because 421 00:29:45.910 --> 00:29:51.589 it's almost like abortion is murder has become almost like a mantra or something like 422 00:29:51.710 --> 00:29:55.259 that, to where it doesn't really carry the weight that we think it might. 423 00:29:55.299 --> 00:29:57.339 Yeah, but if you're using words or you're trying to describe to this 424 00:29:57.460 --> 00:30:00.980 mother, don't go in there and take the innocent life of your baby. 425 00:30:00.019 --> 00:30:04.940 We're bringing things to her mind. Hopefully that will help her to understand the 426 00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:10.769 weight of what she's really doing. Then just become some cliche statement. Abortion 427 00:30:10.930 --> 00:30:14.289 is murder. Right. So they're gentler ways to call it sin, but 428 00:30:14.450 --> 00:30:18.930 college sin down. Don't don't be afraid to point out that this is wrong. 429 00:30:18.930 --> 00:30:22.160 Yeah, we certainly don't need to convey to this mother don't go in 430 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:23.839 there and make a terrible mistake. It's not a terrible ye stake, it's 431 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.160 sin. It seems its God right. I think that's why we need to 432 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:32.079 mention God as we're talking to him, like we say often, is this 433 00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:33.680 something that God would ever have you to do? Would God want you to 434 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.950 take the innocent life of your child? and honestly, that can be a 435 00:30:37.990 --> 00:30:40.910 showstopper. But that happened to me today, which is why I thought that 436 00:30:40.990 --> 00:30:44.390 up. I still think it's an absolutely critical, important thing to say. 437 00:30:44.430 --> 00:30:47.430 So on one hand we're saying be careful, but on the other hand, 438 00:30:47.710 --> 00:30:49.859 don't be so careful that God is not brought into the equation. He must 439 00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:53.900 be brought into the ACCAO, the equation. A woman rolled down her window 440 00:30:53.980 --> 00:30:57.259 today. I said, we have hope and help for you. My Name 441 00:30:57.339 --> 00:31:00.859 and numbers on the back of this information. Would you take this? And 442 00:31:00.940 --> 00:31:03.930 she's smiling and and and said sure. I said you're on your way to 443 00:31:03.970 --> 00:31:07.490 the Women Center. She was, and then I said what would God have 444 00:31:07.609 --> 00:31:10.890 you do after saying that we had hope and help, and she rolled the 445 00:31:10.890 --> 00:31:14.730 window up and drop away and Yep, into the abortion center. Maybe I 446 00:31:14.769 --> 00:31:18.130 should have done something different, but it is usually what I introduced very, 447 00:31:18.210 --> 00:31:22.279 very quickly and and hopefully you know that that percolates in their heart while they're 448 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.279 sitting in there. Yeah, so timing is important. Yeah, it is. 449 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.519 We don't always know the exact right timing, but listen, if we 450 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.190 knew, if we knew the D from the beginning, I think are counseling 451 00:31:33.230 --> 00:31:37.630 sessions would be far more effective. But we don't, but we don't. 452 00:31:37.670 --> 00:31:38.670 So we do our best. So we do the best we can with the 453 00:31:38.750 --> 00:31:44.150 information that we have and we need to be truthful and do things scripturally right. 454 00:31:44.309 --> 00:31:47.539 So again, mentioning God, or whether that made her roll the window 455 00:31:47.539 --> 00:31:51.740 up faster or who knows. Who knows what the next thing you could have 456 00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:53.700 said could have been something that about resources and she rolled her window up. 457 00:31:53.740 --> 00:31:57.099 Yeah, but but I have had the opposite response where I've said what would 458 00:31:57.099 --> 00:32:00.690 God have you do when they cry, and then I'm able to speak more 459 00:32:00.849 --> 00:32:05.369 truth than they go on the RV. So I I bet any way about 460 00:32:05.369 --> 00:32:08.930 it, whether they whether that statement sends them running or not. That statement, 461 00:32:09.089 --> 00:32:13.250 I think, is an important statement that needs to be set at some 462 00:32:13.490 --> 00:32:15.039 point early on. Yeah, well, would God have you do, or 463 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:20.119 something along those lines, introducing God. We you had already touched on this 464 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.440 one a little bit. To take the time to explain what real repentance means. 465 00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:28.720 Yeah, because I don't think that it's right right now. It's not, 466 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.430 and I think it is important. Again, like we talked about before, 467 00:32:32.470 --> 00:32:37.630 words do matter and using words, biblical words like repentance, can be 468 00:32:37.750 --> 00:32:43.670 helpful. It's a biblical word. But then explaining that word is helpful as 469 00:32:43.710 --> 00:32:45.420 well. Yeah, so when you have a one on one you know a 470 00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:49.700 lot of what we're talking about. We're not talking about calling out across the 471 00:32:49.779 --> 00:32:52.539 parking lot at the abortion centers cases. The talking about one on one interactions 472 00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:58.140 with most of these cases, and so you have time to explain your words. 473 00:32:58.539 --> 00:33:00.289 You have time to explain. And so when I talk about repentance, 474 00:33:00.410 --> 00:33:05.930 you God calls you to repent, I will always, almost always at least, 475 00:33:06.289 --> 00:33:08.769 follow that up with that means to turn away from sin, that means 476 00:33:08.890 --> 00:33:13.559 to stop doing the things you know are offensive to the Lord. It's more 477 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.559 give deminish sorry, because that's what they'll say when I'll say what is repentance 478 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.359 mean? That's what I hear so often. It means you say you're sorry. 479 00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.640 Yeah, it's much more. It is much more that you're sorry. 480 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.880 Yeah, I mean one of the things, if I have the time to 481 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:30.829 lay out, it's actually a turning of your heart, your mind and your 482 00:33:30.910 --> 00:33:34.349 feet away from those things that are offensive to the Lord, the things that 483 00:33:34.430 --> 00:33:36.829 he would never have you to do. Yeah, I like that heart, 484 00:33:36.869 --> 00:33:39.309 mind and your feet. Yes, that's actually a really good statement and that's 485 00:33:39.349 --> 00:33:45.380 actually the biblical picture of repentance is a one hundred and eighty degree turn. 486 00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:49.859 You're walking that direction. To repent is to walk in completely the opposite direction. 487 00:33:49.900 --> 00:33:55.009 Yeah, that's good. Ask them where they are going, heaven or 488 00:33:55.089 --> 00:34:00.970 hell, to discern workspaced theology. Yeah, so, and that's very important. 489 00:34:01.369 --> 00:34:06.690 It's important in sharing it, the Gospel, with anyone, but I 490 00:34:06.769 --> 00:34:10.679 also think it's especially important with a post abortive women, which actually most of 491 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.079 the women, even the ones who choose life that time, have had a 492 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:20.079 prior abortion. And if their understanding of God and a relationship with God is 493 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:24.469 based on works, they're feeling condemnation. Well, absolutely so. The single 494 00:34:24.590 --> 00:34:28.909 question that I think maybe you have another one, but for me the one 495 00:34:28.949 --> 00:34:34.389 question that really kind of immediately lets me know do they believe they can work 496 00:34:34.429 --> 00:34:37.150 their way to heaven or not, is to say where you going, heaven 497 00:34:37.190 --> 00:34:39.460 or hell, and then why? Yeah, and how they answer that question. 498 00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:43.619 And that's an easy way to then have entrey and to sharing the rest 499 00:34:43.659 --> 00:34:46.260 of the Gospel. Yeah, absolutely, laying out that your good works cannot 500 00:34:46.300 --> 00:34:50.739 save you. Right, it only the good work that Jesus Christ did in 501 00:34:50.860 --> 00:34:53.809 his death, Barren resurrection right can rescue and Dean save you. Yeah, 502 00:34:54.730 --> 00:34:59.610 because we do have a lot of people, even with Thea you believe is 503 00:34:59.690 --> 00:35:04.010 m salvation, people that say they check the box. If you really get 504 00:35:04.130 --> 00:35:07.920 down into they're thinking about, quote, religious things, they still have a 505 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.559 works based mentality. I mean, if you think about it, checking that 506 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.880 religious box. I did that. I said that prayer is kind of like 507 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:21.429 it. It's really, are you really trusting in Christ? That's the question. 508 00:35:21.469 --> 00:35:23.989 Are you trusting in him? Are you clinging to him for salvation? 509 00:35:24.190 --> 00:35:29.030 It's not works based, it's really heart based, right, if your heart 510 00:35:29.150 --> 00:35:31.909 really trusting in Christ. Yeah, and for many of these folks that would 511 00:35:31.909 --> 00:35:37.900 use these excuses to kill their child and justify it, obviously their hearts are 512 00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:40.099 not it's given to the Lord. That's right, that's right, and not 513 00:35:40.420 --> 00:35:45.500 their faith. They'll say I have faith and and I have faith that Soanso 514 00:35:45.619 --> 00:35:50.530 Andso and so. But if you ask them, well, do you have 515 00:35:50.730 --> 00:35:52.809 faith only when things are going the way you want them to go, or 516 00:35:52.889 --> 00:35:57.050 do you have faith when God is telling you to do something that's hard? 517 00:35:57.090 --> 00:35:59.889 Yeah, and if you don't have the faith to do what God is telling 518 00:35:59.889 --> 00:36:05.039 you to do when something's hard, then I would challenge whether you have a 519 00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.880 saving faith. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, not too long ago, a 520 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:13.360 couple of weeks ago actually, I was talking to a young man who was 521 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:17.630 given excuses about his girlfriend having the abortion he was. He said he trusted 522 00:36:17.710 --> 00:36:21.710 the Lord, he said God was faithful and all these other things, and 523 00:36:21.750 --> 00:36:24.190 I said really, with a rubber meets the road, which is right here, 524 00:36:24.349 --> 00:36:29.389 right now, you're not trust in God, right, you're telling me, 525 00:36:29.550 --> 00:36:32.900 because of coronavirus, because of your financial situation, because of this, 526 00:36:34.099 --> 00:36:37.460 because of that, though, God is trustworthy in his character is impeccable, 527 00:36:37.739 --> 00:36:40.099 and you confess that. Yet somehow, right now, his character is up 528 00:36:40.139 --> 00:36:44.940 for question, because of the coronavirus, because of your financial situation, because 529 00:36:44.980 --> 00:36:49.050 of this, because of that, somehow God becomes not faithful anymore. Right, 530 00:36:49.210 --> 00:36:52.489 can't trust him now. Trust him to tough to see, even though 531 00:36:52.530 --> 00:36:54.050 he holds the future in his hand and he's been faithful in the past. 532 00:36:54.130 --> 00:36:57.769 You're telling me he won't be faithful in the future. And so I really 533 00:36:57.769 --> 00:37:00.409 pressed him on the issue of trusting the Lord and brought him to a point 534 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:05.159 where he saw and he agreed with me. Yeah, I'm not really trusting 535 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.159 God, Emma. Yeah, now, unfortunately, he didn't go in there 536 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.679 and get his girlfriend out, but he certainly didn't get away with the idea 537 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.150 that somehow he's trust in God when he's really not. I gave him the 538 00:37:15.190 --> 00:37:19.710 truth and I did it very forthrightly, but very graciously. He didn't stomp 539 00:37:19.789 --> 00:37:23.469 off mad. We had a good, cordial conversation, conversation I yeah, 540 00:37:23.510 --> 00:37:27.829 I heard a lot of it and it was and I'm sure seats were planted 541 00:37:27.869 --> 00:37:30.059 and so maybe this baby wasn't safe, but maybe the next one will be. 542 00:37:30.219 --> 00:37:36.820 Maybe maybe he will be reconsidering. Yeah, and again, I certainly 543 00:37:36.860 --> 00:37:40.420 didn't just let him go with believe in the idea that somehow he's trusting in 544 00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:45.210 the Lord when he's really not. Yeah, stunging with the truth, stunning 545 00:37:45.250 --> 00:37:47.170 with God's word, and he will have to stand before the Lord and give 546 00:37:47.170 --> 00:37:51.409 an account. Hopefully, like you said, it planet seeds and he really 547 00:37:51.449 --> 00:37:53.050 truly God, do the surrenders to the Lord and trust. Yeah, I 548 00:37:53.090 --> 00:37:57.369 got a great text, I think it was this week, from a mom 549 00:37:57.530 --> 00:38:01.719 who said she was thanking cities for life, for that which is our ministry, 550 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:06.559 our organization, that that is there in front of the abortion center. 551 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:12.800 And she she said because when she chose life because we were there and she 552 00:38:12.909 --> 00:38:17.670 said I I thought my situation that I faced was so awful and that it 553 00:38:17.710 --> 00:38:21.469 would never change, and said I'm so glad I chose life. Do you 554 00:38:21.550 --> 00:38:24.789 know, every single thing has changed for the better, every single thing. 555 00:38:25.389 --> 00:38:30.820 But she had put her faith in God and in doing the right thing before 556 00:38:31.420 --> 00:38:37.219 her circumstances changed. And how so often happens, than God worked were good 557 00:38:37.340 --> 00:38:42.449 things in her life. The next one is one that is not, I 558 00:38:42.570 --> 00:38:44.690 think, unique. Cut in a whites in here, but throw it in 559 00:38:44.769 --> 00:38:46.489 there. Convinced them they're a sinner. That that you need to do that 560 00:38:46.570 --> 00:38:50.050 with everyone. You show the Gospel. Yeah, one why is? Preacher 561 00:38:50.130 --> 00:38:52.769 said, you got to get people lost before you can get them safe. 562 00:38:52.769 --> 00:38:53.849 They don't know that they have to be found. Yeah, don't. If 563 00:38:53.849 --> 00:38:58.440 they don't know they're lost, why are they trying to be found by our 564 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:00.679 gracious God? And if they don't know that they have a sickness, then 565 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:07.719 why would they take the remedy? That's right, and our great encourager, 566 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.349 at least from a far ray, comfort and sharing the gospels, gets right 567 00:39:10.389 --> 00:39:14.789 to that first. I love watching his videos. I love just here in 568 00:39:14.789 --> 00:39:17.030 the Gospel presentations yeah, he talks about that very same thing. I need 569 00:39:17.110 --> 00:39:21.829 to use the law to show people that they're sick, that they need a 570 00:39:21.869 --> 00:39:23.820 physician, because someone's not going to take a cure for disease. They don't 571 00:39:23.820 --> 00:39:27.980 believe that they have right. And most people walk around. You know, 572 00:39:28.059 --> 00:39:31.699 the Bible says each one will proclaim their own goodness. People think they're basically 573 00:39:31.739 --> 00:39:34.980 good. I'm a good person. Everybody else is evil, but I'm a 574 00:39:35.019 --> 00:39:37.139 good person. And you have to really get right to that thing and show 575 00:39:37.179 --> 00:39:40.449 them they're not a good person. Yeah, they're actually separated from God through 576 00:39:40.449 --> 00:39:45.929 their sin and they're under God's judgment, but Jesus Christ came so that they 577 00:39:45.969 --> 00:39:49.130 might be saved. And even just sometimes you have to just go to the 578 00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:53.559 point of is is there truly evil? And today I said it is. 579 00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:57.440 Hit the evil and I den and she agreed. Yeah, there is evil, 580 00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.239 because she was someone who believed in a higher power but not much of 581 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.119 anything else. And and from they're saying, so, what does he deserve? 582 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:07.670 Well, he deserves hell. She's quite certain of that. But she 583 00:40:07.789 --> 00:40:10.710 did not see. Didn't, and so then so introducing the idea that she 584 00:40:10.949 --> 00:40:14.949 was indeed a sinner, that that helped her to come to an understanding of 585 00:40:15.030 --> 00:40:19.150 why Jesus dying on the Cross was necessary, why that penalty had to be 586 00:40:19.190 --> 00:40:22.019 paid. And that's the next one. Remind them there is a penalty for 587 00:40:22.099 --> 00:40:25.380 sin. Where sinner, there is a penalty sin. And then I'll kind 588 00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:31.219 of speed US along, move to the remedy Persin, which is the gospel 589 00:40:31.300 --> 00:40:36.329 of Jesus Christ. What Jesus Christ did in his death, burying resurrection is 590 00:40:36.409 --> 00:40:39.250 the remedy for the problem of sin. That's right. It's not trying hard, 591 00:40:39.409 --> 00:40:45.489 doing better, getting a bigger Bible or whatever. It's surrendering to what 592 00:40:45.610 --> 00:40:51.519 Jesus Christ has done. That's how you get salvation right. And and then, 593 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.519 if then, and only then, if they understand all that has been 594 00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:58.559 said and you truly understand. If you say, do you understand everything? 595 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.400 Do you have any questions? Is there anything you disagree with? Now I 596 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:06.190 agree with all of that at this all makes sense. At that point I 597 00:41:06.349 --> 00:41:10.590 will extend an invitation. If I really believe that they have truly grasped and 598 00:41:10.789 --> 00:41:15.869 understood sincerely everything that that's been raised, then I extend an invitation for them 599 00:41:15.989 --> 00:41:20.619 to ask to submit their life to Jesus, ask him to be Lord of 600 00:41:20.699 --> 00:41:24.980 their life and begin that process, yeah, of walking with God. Yes, 601 00:41:25.139 --> 00:41:28.699 yeah, I know, I've heard folks that have a problem with this 602 00:41:28.940 --> 00:41:31.139 extending in invitation for people. Yes, yeah, you want to get right 603 00:41:31.179 --> 00:41:34.409 with God right now. Yeah, some people say, you know, you 604 00:41:34.449 --> 00:41:37.889 should just let it be between them and the Lord. I understand that. 605 00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:42.889 Yeah, but I do think that is important to get them again. It's 606 00:41:42.929 --> 00:41:45.409 not decision, believe. Easy believe is and get them to check a box, 607 00:41:45.570 --> 00:41:50.119 but to give them to acknowledge, before God and before other people, 608 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.679 their sin and their need for a savior and to ask God to rescue and 609 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:59.480 to save them. Yea, and giving them an opportunity to pray, and 610 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:04.190 you've done it several times. I've seen it with some men I've ministered to 611 00:42:04.349 --> 00:42:07.789 on the sidewalk to pray and ask Jesus to save them from their sin. 612 00:42:07.869 --> 00:42:10.630 I'll even get them to go through and confess their sense, name out, 613 00:42:10.670 --> 00:42:14.349 what your sons are. You're not you're not talking to me, so I 614 00:42:14.510 --> 00:42:16.739 make sure they direct their attention to the ord talking to God. Yeah, 615 00:42:16.820 --> 00:42:22.699 God knows all this stuff anyway. Confessed to him and God can wash your 616 00:42:22.780 --> 00:42:27.179 sins away. Yeah, today, after I shared the Gospel. The woman 617 00:42:27.340 --> 00:42:31.010 went from agnostic, believing in a higher power but really knowing nothing else, 618 00:42:31.090 --> 00:42:36.849 to that is a beautiful story. She agreed and she understood and it was 619 00:42:36.929 --> 00:42:38.369 clear from the question she'd asked. And I did say, you know, 620 00:42:38.489 --> 00:42:42.889 you could do this at any moment. You can submit your life to Jesus 621 00:42:42.969 --> 00:42:45.800 from this moment forward and I'm happy to pray with you if you want to 622 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.599 pray. She said. You know what, I really am going to think 623 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.519 about this. This this there's there's been. You've given me a lot to 624 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:59.949 consider, but I am not ready to fully commit right now and I feel 625 00:42:59.989 --> 00:43:02.070 like this is something I need to fully commit to. And that is a 626 00:43:02.469 --> 00:43:07.030 great statement. Yeah, and and and I said that is wonderful and I 627 00:43:07.110 --> 00:43:10.230 think you should think about it, pray about it, but I would not 628 00:43:10.309 --> 00:43:14.500 wait too long. I do, I do feel an urgency that maybe not 629 00:43:14.619 --> 00:43:17.179 everyone feels, but the Bible says, while it is yet today, do 630 00:43:17.340 --> 00:43:20.980 not harden your heart as you did in the repellion. Yeah, and I 631 00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:24.860 am we none of us are guaranteed tomorrow. Yeah, I'm so, so 632 00:43:25.260 --> 00:43:30.849 some of the key verses for sharing the Gospel and maybe then we can wrap, 633 00:43:30.130 --> 00:43:34.809 wrap it up with those. The concept of personal sin. Romans three 634 00:43:34.849 --> 00:43:37.570 hundred and twenty three. Yeah, one of my favorites. For All have 635 00:43:37.690 --> 00:43:40.130 sinned and false show of the glory of God. The penalty for sin. 636 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.480 Romans six hundred and twenty three. The wages of sin is death. Do 637 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:49.000 you have a favorite for repentance? Yeah, well, repent or you shall 638 00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.079 likewise. Paris was that, but that too good. Chapter Thirteen, it's 639 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:54.280 a good one. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so I'll remember that one. 640 00:43:55.230 --> 00:44:00.030 There's a path back to God through Jesus. I love Romans ten nine 641 00:44:00.389 --> 00:44:05.630 for that, which I had already mentioned. Focusing on Lordship, yeah, 642 00:44:05.670 --> 00:44:08.590 she is one of the most common misunderstandings and of false conversions. I believe 643 00:44:08.710 --> 00:44:13.420 is not understanding. Lord Luke six and forty six. Why do you call 644 00:44:13.460 --> 00:44:15.900 me Lord Lord? Yeah, and not everyone, Matthew. Twenty one is 645 00:44:15.940 --> 00:44:20.219 another great one. Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord, will enter 646 00:44:20.300 --> 00:44:22.659 the Kingdom of Heaven. Yeah, that's a powerful that is a powerful and 647 00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:27.449 scary verse. Yeah, who are not living for the Lord it is, 648 00:44:28.210 --> 00:44:30.570 have not truly certended their life to Jesus, and yet have his name on 649 00:44:30.610 --> 00:44:37.010 their lips. Yeah, I think something for me and that kept me from 650 00:44:37.010 --> 00:44:40.239 sharing the Gospel was because there's so many great verses and there's so many that 651 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.960 you could focus on. So I think it is important to go through and 652 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:50.920 think about what are the key elements and what are some key verses that really 653 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:55.429 resonate with you, that that get that key concept across to whoever you're talking 654 00:44:55.469 --> 00:45:00.030 to and memorize those verses. Yeah, absolutely, and not be afraid. 655 00:45:00.389 --> 00:45:05.389 Not Be afraid, because the it is the power of God alone is it's 656 00:45:05.510 --> 00:45:09.619 what's going to change this whole abortion issue. Yeah, and change it. 657 00:45:09.940 --> 00:45:15.900 That change happens individual hearts being surrendered to the Lord. So I would encourage 658 00:45:15.900 --> 00:45:19.699 you guys share the gospel out there on the sidewalk. Don't neglect sharing the 659 00:45:19.780 --> 00:45:22.969 gospel. Encourage us. Maybe there are some things that we missed in this 660 00:45:23.130 --> 00:45:28.010 podcast. Maybe you're involved in sidewalk ministry, you're out there on a regular 661 00:45:28.010 --> 00:45:30.170 basis and you're sharing the Gospel and there's some stuff we didn't touch on. 662 00:45:30.329 --> 00:45:34.090 Some wisdom you can give to us. We certainly don't think that we have 663 00:45:34.170 --> 00:45:37.679 it all together, so reach out to US share those things. You can 664 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:43.079 reach out to me d parks at cities for lifecom Her v CASSIE ORG at 665 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.719 cities for lifecom. We'd love to hear from you, guys. We appreciate 666 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.469 you, guys that share this podcast. Please continue to share it, but 667 00:45:50.590 --> 00:46:02.590 until next time, God bless our love. For Love, give me our 668 00:46:02.909 --> 00:46:15.900 loft for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too 669 00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:17.420 precious. And some met you