Remembering The “Why” Helps With The “How”

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.879 You start to lose the gravity of the fact that you're in battle, and 2 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:07.799 that's how you drift away from being vigilant, having your eyes open, paying 3 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:11.199 attention to what's going on, paying attention to the battle. Yeah, you 4 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:17.760 lose strategy because you lose the gravity of the battle. I Am Yours, 5 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:23.640 I am yours, I am yours. And Me, Lord, I am 6 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:29.239 yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pray Life Podcast, 7 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:34.880 a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, 8 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:40.359 and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt 9 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:53.280 show Passish, touch your use me, Lord. Hey, they're welcome to 10 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:57.719 the Gospel centered pro life podcast. I'm here with Daniel Parks. It's a 11 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:03.280 Keycausie Org and today we're going to talk about what are maybe the three, 12 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:10.000 among the top three strategies a sidewalk team should employ to be effective. Yeah, 13 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:14.359 talked a lot about this about, you know, teams that seem to 14 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:18.640 be really effective. They tend to follow these strategies to that maybe don't see 15 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:21.760 as many results. Maybe they're not, maybe they are right. Sometimes there 16 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:23.879 are facilities that are just harder. Yeah, Oh, absolutely, reach the 17 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:29.400 way. Yeah, there's only so much strategy you can employ to be effective 18 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:34.640 in ministry and of course the danger of strategy is thinking it's all about strategy 19 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:38.200 and all about like the things that. Yeah, all about us, way 20 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.000 we position ourselves or whatever, saying just the right thing. And of course, 21 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:45.840 if you guys have listened to this podcast any length of time, you 22 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:49.879 know that there's there's never just the perfect thing to say in every scenario. 23 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.760 There are some general principles and at the end of the day the results are 24 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.040 up to the Lord, right, but if there are things that we can 25 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.040 do, ways that we can position our teams and things like that, they 26 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:05.400 can help us to be more effective than why wouldn't we do those things right 27 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:09.919 exactly, you know, as we're thinking of methodology. Yeah, there's a 28 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:13.360 few things, a few ways. We're going to get into some of that 29 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:16.520 little bit. But there's a few ways that we can approach sidewalk ministry and 30 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:22.800 those ways can can be if you have two ways, for example, and 31 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:29.360 both are biblical but one is more effective, why wouldn't you use the one 32 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.879 that's more effective? Exactly? You know what I mean. So, yeah, 33 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:36.240 and we'll get into that. I'll break that down a little bit later 34 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.000 on. But we need to be looking at things, of course, not 35 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.280 from just a perspective of whether or not it's effective, because there's there. 36 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:49.319 That's the trap of pragmatism, that it's all about what works, when in 37 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:52.639 reality we're not called just to do what works, we're called to do what 38 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:54.479 honors the Lord. So you know, if we if we fall into the 39 00:02:54.520 --> 00:03:00.360 trap of pragmatism, that's a trap of let's compromise the Gospel. So you 40 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:05.719 know, if we discovered somehow that it was more effective to leave the gospel 41 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:10.599 out of the equation to save babies or whatever, and we decided, well, 42 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:14.319 we'll go with that because it's more effective, that would be the trap 43 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:19.439 of pragmatism, falling into that trap neglecting the Gospel, which the Bible says 44 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:22.919 is the power of God to salvation. If we leave the Gospel out, 45 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:27.400 we're no longer doing ministry. Correct, we're running a business or some other 46 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:30.039 thing, but we're not doing Ministry of Leave The Gospel out. So we 47 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:35.080 can't leave the Gospel out. But if the gospels included in what we're doing, 48 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.360 if Jesus is at the center of what we're doing. And again we 49 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.960 have choices to do things one of two ways or three ways or whatever, 50 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.479 and all of those ways are Biblical and centered on the Gospel, but one 51 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.120 is more effective. We would be fools not to employ the one that's more 52 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.000 effective. Exactly, you would be, it would actually be pride. Yeah, 53 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:55.960 as a matter of fact, stuck in your ways. It's the way 54 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.080 you're used to doing things, you know. Yeah, and so we do 55 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:04.039 need to allow the Lord to shake us out of our ways. And sometimes 56 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:10.199 we will pretend that our ways are the way, God's way and not be 57 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:15.240 able to be shaken from those ways. And and therefore we're robbing ourselves of 58 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:19.199 fruit that would otherwise be bored. Will Robin God of fruit that would glorify 59 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:28.720 his name and possibly compromising the effectiveness of the ministry. Like we are called 60 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.360 not primarily to be afective. We're called primarily to be biblical, but we 61 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.959 are called to be effective, to bear fruit right, right, and and 62 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:41.279 we kind of developed these ideas out of years of watching SEAMACH teams, watching 63 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:46.839 results and where a Gospel Focus Ministry always have been. So that has always 64 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.560 been primary. There are some things we've done that with the Gospel as a 65 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:55.959 part of it that are less effective than other things we've done with the Gospel 66 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:57.959 as as, yeah, part of it. Well, I want to mention 67 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.000 this, okay, because this is a recent conversation that I'm having with myself, 68 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.560 okay, and with others, and we've had the conversation as well. 69 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:10.319 Yeah, and we've did podcast. We've done podcast about the use of victim 70 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:13.800 images. Right, and if you guys have any questions about where we stand 71 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:15.600 on that, please go back and listen to our podcast. We did it 72 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:19.800 with some folks from CBR, center for bioethical reform, who use victim images 73 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:25.319 primarily on college campuses and stuff. And so I'm not going to go over 74 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:30.439 and rehash kind of our philosophy on victim images, except to say that is 75 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:34.560 it biblical to use victim images? Absolutely. Jesus was crucified on a hillside. 76 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:39.040 The Bible says he was marred beyond beyond the form of a man in 77 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:42.360 front of everyone. Would God show graphic images? Yes, he would. 78 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:47.199 Right, but does that mean that if you don't use victim images you're not 79 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:51.759 doing biblical ministry? No, the Bible does not say when you go out 80 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:56.920 to an abortion clinic thou shalt use victim images. Right, it gives us 81 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:01.959 the allowance to use the victim images. But if there are scenarios in which 82 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:08.560 I can use victim images and babies can be saved because of that, then 83 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.279 you know I want to have the option to use those. But if there's 84 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:15.720 scenarios in which it would be more effective for me not to use victim images, 85 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.519 and yet I'm still keeping the Gospel. Listen, when you're holding up 86 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:24.800 a victim of abortion, you are not preaching the Gospel. That's not a 87 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:30.199 gospel thing, right. It could be preparation work for the Gospel, just 88 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:34.040 like the law. We Love Great Comfort, we love his method of evangelism, 89 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:39.680 but when he shares the law, when he shares the fact that we're 90 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:43.639 all under the judgment of God, that's not the Gospel. Actually, the 91 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:47.519 Ten Commandments, they are not the Gospel. They are the preparation work, 92 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:54.639 potentially for the Gospel. Right, the Gospel is Jesus Christ died for our 93 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.319 sins. I mean First Corinthians, Chapter Fifteen. You look at Paul lays 94 00:06:57.319 --> 00:06:59.279 out. Here's The gospel of that. Preach you on. I what what 95 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:02.079 Paul Preached as Gospel. He lays it out very clearly. He says that 96 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.639 Jesus Christ died for our sins, according to the scripture, that he was 97 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:10.360 buried and on the third day he rose again, according to the scripture. 98 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:15.120 That's the Gospel. Jesus death, burial and resurrection. That's the Gospel. 99 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.240 Now other things are preparation for the Gospel, and victim images just kind of 100 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:23.920 go back to that. So I don't rabbit trail too much. Victim images 101 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:28.519 can be effective, but also they can be a hindrance. Yeah, they 102 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:33.800 can really cause people to be angry rather than receptive, because at the end 103 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:36.639 of the day, like, why are we at the abortion center? And 104 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:40.759 I guess you guys who are listening, you'd have to ask yourself why are 105 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.959 you out there? Are you out there just to communicate information, or you 106 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.759 out there to engage with people going into the abortion center? Right, because 107 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:55.160 if there are things that you're doing that makes your engagements either less or more 108 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:59.759 hostile, then you probably need to change what you're doing right, right, 109 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:03.560 and I do not mean leaving the Gospel out, because that's a nonnegotiable, 110 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:05.279 but there's other things that are sort of negotiable. Yeah, I think. 111 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:11.480 Yeah, and so go back to just that victim image idea. Yeah, 112 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:15.519 is, you know, and it may not be in either or it could 113 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:20.360 be that maybe there are situations where you can use them, but you you 114 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:26.519 modify, yeah, how they're used up the street in conjunction with a saved 115 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:33.000 baby. So so being able to verbalize what your goal is out there is 116 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.000 really critical because if your goal is engagement with the people, yeah, there's 117 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.200 no doubt that sometimes that victim image is gonna, yeah, it's going to 118 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:45.480 affect that. And that's just one example of you know, that I just 119 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:46.960 kind of pulled out off the top of my head. There's other examples of 120 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.600 the way that you could do things. Yeah, but as we're talking about 121 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:54.639 this, because we've been talking, you and I've had some conversations about looking 122 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.960 at our teams across the nation how they're doing, and there's are there some 123 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:03.200 ways that we can help in encourage them? Are there's some ways, like 124 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.759 some kind of general principles that we can help equip them so they're they're more 125 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:11.720 effective on the sidewalk, so that's you're not discourage themselves, right. Yeah, 126 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:13.879 and so, in a sense, like are there some how to things 127 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.559 that we can help them with, which is what we're going to really talk 128 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.879 about this and if you guys ever watched our training, or one hundred one 129 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.440 sidewalk training, you'll know we talked about the how. Is the meat of 130 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:26.639 the training. Like it's, it's really where you want to pay attention. 131 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.840 So we're going to talk about some of these how some of these effective strategies 132 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.480 and the how of that. But as we were talking yesterday, one of 133 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:37.759 the things I said to you was that the how a lot of times will 134 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.080 work itself out if people have the why right, if they understand, because 135 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:50.200 what happens is we begin to drift from the why right. So an example 136 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.960 of that is if you're in a city where you have pro abortion people that 137 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.879 are out there constantly and they're nagging you, and we have that here in 138 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:01.080 Charlotte, it is so easy to drift as far as your why is concerned, 139 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:05.639 why you're out there, and then start to think that you're out there 140 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:11.840 because of the pro boarts, you're out there because of the political persuasion of 141 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:15.159 those people. These socialists are trying to take over our country or whatever, 142 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:20.519 and you can drift in your why ideologically they're trying to take our country captive 143 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:24.440 and you can start to think your why and in the motivation for coming out 144 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.320 there is to deal with these pro boards change their hearts. Change their hearts, 145 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.720 change their minds or whatever, and certainly God can do that and we 146 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:37.120 certainly want the Lord to do that. But that's not why the Lord called 147 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.840 you out there initially. Hey, right, he didn't call you out there 148 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.240 to deal with the pro boorts. And, as a matter of fact, 149 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.600 if that's your motivation and that's your focus, then you have drifted away from 150 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:52.039 the original why and you fallen into their trap. That's the trap and whether 151 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.360 they know it or not, the devil certainly knows it. That's the trap 152 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:00.000 that they want you to fall into, that he wants you to fall into. 153 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.000 Yes, here's the trap of continually thinking about them, having your mind 154 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.159 drive. I mean, if you're away from the side walking you're thinking about 155 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.440 the pro boorts and how nasty and stuff they are. Yeah, probably need 156 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.519 to bring it before the Lord. Yeah, probably need to let the Lord 157 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:16.080 take that stuff out of your heart, in your mind, because the reality 158 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:20.360 is, in the eternal scope of things, their activities and stuff. If 159 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:28.320 we really believe that God is the most powerful being ever there, their activity 160 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.879 is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Right. Remember, you're 161 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.919 a child of God, you have the Holy Spirit of the Living God inside 162 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.080 of you, and the activities of evil people that are under control of the 163 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:43.639 devil is, in a sense irrelevant. Now, I get it there annoying 164 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.519 and I get it there a distraction and they cause problems and all that stuff. 165 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.919 I'm not trying to minimize that, but I am saying is we do 166 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:54.759 serve an eternal God and we do need to look to him. We need 167 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.159 to be a we. We say often we need to be motivated not by 168 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:03.480 the the the horror of abortion, but by the beauty of Jesus. Right. 169 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:05.759 And so I would ask you if your mind is captivating to distracted? 170 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:11.240 Have you lost the why? And what is the main why of why we're 171 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:15.519 out there? Yeah, well, my main why is to glorify God, 172 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:20.120 to magnify his holy name. That's step father, but that's true in in 173 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.080 of my general life. Yeah, I would say, if I'm going to 174 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:31.039 be totally honest about with the sidewalk, yes, glorify God through intervening and 175 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.440 interceding for those unborn babies. Yeah, that's the specific focus. Yeah, 176 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:41.159 I want to glorify him, but the focus is those are born babies. 177 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:46.080 Yeah, so why is the motivation to glorify God and why does that motivation 178 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.200 carry you to the sidewalk? It's because they're murdering babies inside, and I 179 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.519 love God and God loves those babies. God has called us to be a 180 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.759 good neighbor. God has called us to be a voice for the voiceless. 181 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:05.039 So I am honoring God and magnifying him by how I'm going to deal when 182 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.600 I'm out on that sidewalk. Yeah, those babies are going to die today. 183 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.559 The pro boats probably are not. I mean they could, but I 184 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:13.759 probably are not. So that's why my focus is on the immediate crisis and 185 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.000 what I'm called to do is to deal with those unborn children. And I 186 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:24.320 love what you told me. It was very powerful saying if you give the 187 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:31.840 why remind people through, and you said, the image of a baby, 188 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:37.279 a victim, yeah, of abortion. You can bring people back to Oh 189 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:43.240 yeah, all that other stuff that pails in comparison to that horrific picture. 190 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.720 Yeah, that's why we're there, and what I love about that is so 191 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:52.799 many of these things were going to go over I'm like the anointed Nagger of 192 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.799 our ministry, right, yeah, very skilled at nagging. You have an 193 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:03.559 annointed is. I'm nagging all the time because we drift away from these basic 194 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:11.000 how to and it struck me when you said return people to the philosophy of 195 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:15.320 why they're doing what they're doing, and those things I have to Nag about 196 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:20.919 might just fall away because people no longer want to be ineffective. Yeah, 197 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.840 and that major focus. Yeah, yeah, get the why right and the 198 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:30.639 how that that will fall into place. Often Times, the reason why we 199 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:37.080 drift away from and you know, I don't want to jump into the how 200 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.559 part just yet. Okay, but the reason why we drift away from some 201 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:45.399 of these kind of common how to things is because we lose the why. 202 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:48.039 Yeah, we lose while we're out there, we lose the gravity of what's 203 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:52.759 happening at that place. And so, for example, one of the one 204 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.440 of the most desperate detrimental things that can happen in the ministry on the sidewalk 205 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:01.120 is that we clump together in Chit Chat while we're out there. Right, 206 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:03.559 I mean it's it's a kind of mind yeah, in this kind of time. 207 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.200 I see it ever, probably every day out there right at sometimes very 208 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:11.200 limited. Sometimes we catch ourselves, but I'm telling you, teams, if 209 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:15.120 you're listening, you're probably doing this. Yeah, and you need to pay 210 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:18.200 attention because this is detrimental to our effectiveness. And I'll tell you a little 211 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:22.159 story about that very briefly. I was out there, I won't say what 212 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:26.440 day, and I saw a group of our counselors clump together and I was 213 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:31.679 had another portion of the sidewalk and saw a woman, a clump of three 214 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:37.120 of them, walk in the door and I'm waiting. I was far away 215 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:41.159 and no one saw them because they were all talking with each other because they're 216 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:45.120 also wonderful. They we do with wonderful people. I get it, but 217 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:50.039 they were missed because of clumping and Chit Chat. Yeah, yeah, it 218 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.879 happens a lot. And and how does it get there? And again, 219 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.320 I don't like to come down heavy and I will say, and I know 220 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.519 you'll say too, I'll falling victim of that. I'm out there, I'll 221 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:07.120 chit chat sometimes. I get it, but how do we allow ourselves to 222 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:12.039 to begin just to have Chit Chat, sort of shooting the breeze conversations out 223 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.840 there is because we've forgotten that babies are dying inside of that place, right. 224 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.639 So if we bring ourselves back and remind ourselves of the why, yeah, 225 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:23.639 then we can keep ourselves from doing that. Another thing. That is 226 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.799 a reality that we deal with. We want to glorify God, we want 227 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:33.679 to see baby saved, but also we can't forget that there are people, 228 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.120 there are women, walking into that place who are going to kill their child. 229 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.240 They're going to become captivated by the sin of abortion and if they don't 230 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:44.679 repent, they're going to end up in hell. Yeah, and the men 231 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:47.039 going in that are bringing their girlfriends. I mean, think about that. 232 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:51.240 These men are, some of them, pressuring the girlfriend to have an abortion. 233 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:53.639 How's it going to be for them when they stand before God, right? 234 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:59.000 And what if no one ever gives them an opportunity to hear the Gospel 235 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.240 and to turn from their sin and put their trust in Jesus? They're going 236 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.680 to end up in hell for eternity or ever. Help some deven recognize that 237 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:07.960 uses and that there was at that there's anything to repent. Yeah. So 238 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:14.799 we're dealing with eternal things and we've been given an eternal message that can change 239 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.680 hearts and change lives. And so we can't lose the gravity that babies are 240 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.319 dying, that people are going to end up in hell. And I think 241 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:23.480 about the workers to you know. You know they're not our primary focus, 242 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.359 but we do call out to the workers and we send many of them quit. 243 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:30.640 We've even some seen some of them come to the Lord. If we 244 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.799 lose our focus, if we lose our wife, we get distracted out there, 245 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.039 if we're just out there to be out there because it's part of our 246 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:41.480 weekly rhythm rather than we're out there because they're killing children and people are going 247 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.920 to end up in hell, then we've lost our why and we need to 248 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:47.799 get back to it and listen. I will say, and I know you 249 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.960 agree, Vicki, that this this message. Preachers say this message. I'm 250 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:53.319 preaching it to me as much as I am to you. There's a sense 251 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:56.799 in which that's true. Yeah, I'm preaching that to myself as much as 252 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.839 I am to you. So, yeah, there's we fall into this. 253 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.400 We all fall into these traps. That's why we're talking about them. Yeah, 254 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:07.359 exactly. And the motivation, the why for us is we want to 255 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.680 see you guys see babies can be saved and people come to the Lord. 256 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.240 We want you guys to be as effective as possible. You are listening to 257 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:19.599 the podcast. So then let's jump into some of the how I think we've 258 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.799 laid the foundation for the why here and reminded people of the why that we're 259 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.000 out there. Yeah, can touch on that enough. But what are some 260 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:33.079 of the just practical things that we can do and be aware of that would 261 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:37.720 make us more effective on the side wall? Yeah, and one of the 262 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.960 first things his strategic placement of of your team's. How many team members do 263 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.039 you have and where are the best places to place them? Yeah, we've 264 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.599 already kind of given away one of them. Don't clump. Yeah, so 265 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.920 we're going to want to spread out the teams. Yeah, so you find 266 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.640 okay, first of all, is it vehicle traffic or is it walk ups? 267 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.799 Yeah, what is it? Mostly? You know, in New York 268 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:02.440 City it's mostly, I guess, walk ups. People are walking down the 269 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:04.559 street coming from a subway. Yeah, here in some of our other cities 270 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:08.559 are like that as well. So, yeah, important to know. Yeah, 271 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:12.119 and then analyze. I know you use Google maps and you do an 272 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:17.160 overhead view and and you will you find the points at which people can come 273 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:19.279 from. And if, depending on how many team members you have, you 274 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:22.400 you really prioritize. You say, if I only have one team member, 275 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.599 here's where he's going to go. The we never recommend you just one team 276 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.240 member, but if I only have one in it, that's usually the place, 277 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.240 right by the door, right, no matter where, what facility you're 278 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:34.720 at. Yeah, that last moment. Get them. Yeah, it could 279 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.440 be that or could be by the driveway, like in Charlotte. Right, 280 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:42.119 yeah, latrobe, it's that driveway. Yeah, like that's priority position number 281 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:47.119 one. So now everybody decide on that. Everybody team team leads or whatever. 282 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.720 Yeah, sure that you are clear. If there's only one member, 283 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:53.160 this is where that member has to go. Yeah. Yeah, so strategic 284 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:57.319 placement. Getting it'll keep you from clumping up and being in Chit Chat Mode 285 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:02.599 and being lighthearted about the thing. If you spread out and you understand why 286 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:06.839 you're out there. Right, this is this is a battle not between people 287 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:10.599 but between light and darkness, and I was as we were talking yesterday, 288 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:15.119 just kind of this picture came to mind. You asking the question how do 289 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.200 we lose the why? So that we don't employ the how? How do 290 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.839 we kind of lose our strategies, everything fall apart and just go out there 291 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.200 and just be out there, to be out there again. We lose the 292 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:30.519 why. But it's also it becomes it becomes like a common scenario. So 293 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.839 the picture I had was if you're in battle, if you've got soldiers that 294 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.319 have been in battle for a long time, you know when you're first out 295 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:38.920 there in battle, and you guys know, if you know you've been on 296 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.720 the sidewalk for a while, if you can remember back the first time you 297 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:47.200 went out there, you were aware of the battle and it was an uncommon 298 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:49.359 scenario for you. And so it's like a soldier being in battle. There's 299 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:55.079 bullets whizzo by and it's a big deal. Right, there's a battle raging 300 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:59.000 and they're alert, they're vigilant, they're aware of what's going on. You've 301 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:02.960 been in battle for a long time, for five years, the bullets whizzom 302 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.079 by your head. It's a common thing. You just used to it right 303 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:07.359 and it's right, and so you kind of loosen up. You start, 304 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:11.720 you know, just chatting with your battle buddies or whatever. You get on 305 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.960 the walkie talkie. I'm giving analogy here, and you're talking to to the 306 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:18.720 guy back at the mess hall or whatever. You start to lose the gravity 307 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:22.359 of the fact that you're in battle, and that's how you drift away from 308 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.359 being vigilant, having your eyes open, paying attention to what's going on, 309 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.960 paying attention to the battle. Yeah, you lose strategy because you lose the 310 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:36.920 gravity of the battle. Right. And so, as we're sharing these practical 311 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:40.519 things, I think more than anything, this this whole theme of why we're 312 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:44.039 out there, the theme that you we're in a battle, not between human 313 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:48.559 beings in us, but between principalities and powers. We know the scripture, 314 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:52.599 right, Effesians chapter six. Right. Sometimes I would visualize the the demons 315 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:57.200 on the rooftop, yeah, or on the shoulders of the women as they're 316 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:00.880 coming in, because it helps me to remember that. Yeah, or some 317 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.720 consorts have told me they've visualize the baby in the womb and the fight that 318 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:11.240 that baby's going to have. I think those are all good anything that keeps 319 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.279 you focused on the fact that this is truly a war between good and evil. 320 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:19.279 And then maybe he's going to die if someone doesn't rescue that baby. 321 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:25.799 Yeah. So the first thing that we have in how is strategic placement. 322 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:30.359 Placing your team in strategic spots, not just being out there right and all 323 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.400 standing together. And that's the next thing, and I'm telling you, I 324 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:37.440 can't stress this. We can't stress this enough. Being clumped up into a 325 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:41.319 group, not only does it make it more intimidating because people aren't going to 326 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:44.319 stop for a group of people like they would stop for an individual. If 327 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:48.000 you're handing out literature and there are four people there in one group and they're 328 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:49.720 all handing out literature, they're all trying to get you to stop, you're 329 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.880 not going to stop. Quite likely, you're the anime to that. You're 330 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.759 an enemy in force. Honestly, the smaller the teams are, quite often 331 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:02.079 the more literature. Yeah, I personally hand out. Yeah, yeah, 332 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:06.000 that can be the case. Yeah, we do of course encourage I mean 333 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:10.039 we're a ministry that encourages people come out in big groups to pray. Right. 334 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.039 So there is a balance and we know that the more people that come 335 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:15.720 out there to pray the less people show up for abortions. But there is 336 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:18.920 a balance and there's a way to strategically do that, like, for the 337 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.559 prayer walks here in Charlotte, for example. The prayer walkers are across the 338 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.119 street were our sidewalk teams are on the same side of the street as the 339 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:29.480 abortion center. That's a that's strategic right. We don't want all the prayer 340 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:32.519 walkers there on that side, but we do know that babies are saved because 341 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:36.079 people keep driving they see the prayer walkers there and that's effective. Yeah, 342 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.119 but you know, especially if you've got foot traffic, I would say, 343 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:44.759 but vehicular traffic to if you've got foot track of traffic, people walking up 344 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.039 and you got a group of people that are together, people are less likely. 345 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:52.240 Women are going to be less likely to engage with that group, right, 346 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.519 right, then they would with with one person. Yeah, and to 347 00:23:55.519 --> 00:24:00.039 take that a step further, if a woman starts talking to one of the 348 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:04.640 the counselor's a mom coming in, then everybody tends to want to be in 349 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:08.240 on that action and clump together. We see that all the time and that 350 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:14.920 is another thing don't do. Don't to leave that person in that developing that 351 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:19.920 very tenuous relationship alone unless she specifically calls for help. Yeah, yeah, 352 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:23.960 if you've got you a situation like ours. For example, if someone stops 353 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.119 for me, I'm will equipped have done it long enough. I can handle 354 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.480 a conversation with a man or woman or whoever, right, but there are 355 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.680 some points where it gets into the conversation, where it gets deep with the 356 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.759 woman, and I think it'd be more effective for another woman to be talking 357 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.880 to her. And I'll waive you over, but I do not want, 358 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.960 if I'm talking to somebody, for you just to come over and start button 359 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.559 into the conversation. Yeah, if I'm doing sidewalk counseling, I'm doing it 360 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.640 on the sidewalk and it's not a vehic, not a vehicle that stopped, 361 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.079 but it's a person I'm talking to. If you come up and start talking 362 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.039 into the situation when I didn't invite you, I'm not going to be very 363 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.440 happy with you. Well, not only are you're not going to be happy, 364 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.519 but if you're like me, you you are going to find your all 365 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:12.359 that hard work derailed. Almost always it derails the conversation. Yeah, so 366 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.759 we need to be all aware of that. We all do it. I 367 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.480 do it, we all do it. We're all so excited, especially if 368 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.799 there's been a long period of no action. Right, don't, don't enter 369 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.960 a conversation uninvited. It is almost always better if it's just one on yeah, 370 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:32.400 almost always. Yes, realizing that the situations that we're dealing with are 371 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:37.039 volatile situations. The women that were talking to are vulnerable people. They've been 372 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:41.920 lied to by the Devil and other people and they're they don't really want to 373 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:47.039 share all that's going on anyway. And so again you got to imagine young 374 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.640 lady who's scared, who's finally opening up to one person. Here comes another 375 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:55.079 person along and then another person along and it just gets to be too much. 376 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.759 And I've seen conversation shut down because of that stuff. Right. It's 377 00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:03.359 kind of like the picture of I used to go fishing a lot, okay, 378 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:07.160 and you know, if you're at a pond and you're fishing, you 379 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:11.519 got your pole in the water, nobody's getting a bye. There's several people 380 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.440 around the pond and then you all a sudden you get a bite. Yeah, 381 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.440 what happens? No one else is getting a bye. Everybody comes to 382 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.359 your side of the pond and they want to put their poll in where you've 383 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.279 got yours in and all the fish runaway. And the fish run away. 384 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:27.279 Yeah, and he swim away. They SAT. Well, exactly, they 385 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:33.359 swim away. So that's something to be aware of. Guess now, can 386 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.240 God use situations where three or four people are ministring to one woman? Yeah, 387 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.559 he can use all kinds of stuff. But just because it's a donkey, 388 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.240 as you love to say, exactly. He can use a donkey, 389 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.559 but we don't take donkeys with us on the sidewalk, do we? Maybe 390 00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:49.640 we should, maybe we should, I don't know, maybe that's another podcast 391 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:52.920 for another day. My point is, just because God would use something and 392 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:57.279 just because God has used something in the past, does it necessarily mean that's 393 00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:03.400 the best way to do things? Yeah, and so we're speaking, we're 394 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:08.400 not speaking, understand, guess, from just a theoretical position. Okay, 395 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:12.079 we're speaking from experience. We've experienced these things, we've seen these things over 396 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:18.519 a course of years, but of course we don't have it all figured out 397 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.079 either. So I would say I'm correctable in this matter. If you can 398 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:26.480 convince me that it's more effective to have for people come together in a group 399 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.960 to reach one woman going into the abortion center, then I'll hear you out, 400 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.640 but I'm going to tell you from experience it's not more effects. It's 401 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.160 more effective for you just to engage one on one with somebody and then if 402 00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:41.039 you need somebody additional, come in. Hey, would you come over here 403 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:42.200 for a second? You know, you can call them over right and the 404 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.119 other side of that is it for people are clumping to that one. Well, 405 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.920 what about all the other women entering? And that's an important thing to 406 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.400 lose. Yeah, they're not going to have someone interceding for them. I 407 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.160 will tell you. Sharing the Gospel, which is what we do on our 408 00:27:55.319 --> 00:28:00.279 mobile ultrasound unit here, on the help Monroe mobile ultrasound unit, and when 409 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.920 I used to have the nurses and maybe even someone else on board all trying 410 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.119 to share the gospel, it was a mass. Yeah, but they have 411 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.319 since we've kind of gravitated to at least when I'm on I share the gospel 412 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:17.359 loan, they usually disappear and it takes that person that I'm sharing with out 413 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:22.319 of feeling like she is being observed so that she's much less selfconscious. She's 414 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:29.759 that. It just seems like there are more salvations when when I'm able to 415 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.319 following train of thought one on one. Yeah, in that situation. Yeah, 416 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.559 I want to reiterate that point too, because if you're out there on 417 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.680 the sidewalk, I'll say, you know, you that Latrobe, for example. 418 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.319 Yeah, and someone pulls into the parking lot and they stopped to take 419 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.000 information and one of our counselors is is engaging with them, and then you 420 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:53.079 got to other counselors that want to come and engage also. Yeah, and 421 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.640 they pull away from calling out. Then you've got a woman that maybe is 422 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.240 already in the parking lot in her car walking to the door and she's not 423 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:04.839 getting addressed because the other two counselors besides the one that's already engaging are distracted 424 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:10.799 with that conversation. Let that person have the conversation. What you have to 425 00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.400 say is important, I'm sure, but trust that the Lord can use that 426 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.480 person as well, unless, I would say, if it's a brand new 427 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.359 person, then maybe stand by and listen in or whatever and interject. We 428 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.599 know that just practically they're brand new, they need some help. Obvious and 429 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.799 experienced person should be near them in that case. Yeah, exactly, but 430 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.720 we don't want everyone dropping their pole in the water when there's other fish that 431 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.160 could be caught in other places in the pond. You know. And just 432 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.079 a side point, if you are someone who is engaging with a pro abortion 433 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:47.640 person, and someone then near you, one of your fellow counselors, begins 434 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.759 to engage with a woman. Really take that conversation somewhere else with that pro 435 00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:56.079 abortion person. I have been so distracted by the how loud it can get 436 00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:02.160 sometimes when when someone else is addressing other people. So be really careful about 437 00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:06.480 that. You need to be quiet in that discussion if there's a nearby discussion 438 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:08.160 with the mom, because again, the Moma, the MOMS, are focus. 439 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:12.680 Yeah, all right. Well, let's let's wrap up with this final 440 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:17.599 effective strategy. We had three here. The first his strategic placement of your 441 00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:22.119 team, the second is don't clump up together, right, and the third 442 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:26.920 is your first impressions. Yeah, by this what we mean is, and 443 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.480 what do they say? What's the thing? The first impression? One chance 444 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.720 to make your first impression. I think it's something something like that. But 445 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:38.359 what we mean by that is when someone's pulling into the parking lot, what's 446 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.920 the first impression they have of use it? One of like angry wagon, 447 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.960 the finger, don't go in there, murder your baby. Or when someone's 448 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:51.680 walking up the sidewalk and they're coming to the abortion center, is the first 449 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:56.160 impression they're getting is they murder babies in there? Don't go murder your baby, 450 00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:03.119 or is the first impression inviting them to have a conversation with you and 451 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.599 you have to ask yourself, why am I out there? We talked about 452 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:12.480 that earlier, right, but are you out there just to deliver information? 453 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:18.960 Did God call you out there just to deliver information? We talked before about 454 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.559 the differences. If you guys again, listen to the training, the one 455 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.119 one training, watch the training, you'll know that I kind of give this 456 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:29.000 contrast between two types of ministry that can happen at an abortion center. One 457 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.519 is the Prophetic men street the profit he's just there to deliver the mail. 458 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.519 Think of it like street preachers and that's my tendency. Anyway. That's that's 459 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.920 my background. Street preacher on the corner delivering the mail. Yeah, you 460 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.319 engage with people if they come and talk you, but if they don't come 461 00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:47.559 and talk, you just there to deliver the mail anyway. Right. Yeah, 462 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:49.519 so that ministry can happen at the abortion center and I've seen God use 463 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:56.319 that and I'm not trying to marginalize and minimize that ministry, but the Ministry 464 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.279 of the evangelist, and I don't mean to say the prophetic voice is an 465 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.519 evangelistic it is. They're sharing the Gospel. To praise God for that. 466 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.559 But the Ministry of the evangelist and the story that I kind of base this 467 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.799 on is the story of Philip the evangelist. In Acts, Chapter Eight, 468 00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:15.079 I think it is, where Philip the evangelist encounters the Ethiopian unuch. You 469 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:20.640 guys know the story right. Not only is he there delivering information, but 470 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:25.079 he's actually helping the Ethiopian UNICH process the information. He's right, okay, 471 00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:29.839 gets up in the chariot right, explains to him what he's reading in the 472 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:36.480 scroll of Isaiah a lot more relational. It's more relational. So is our 473 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:43.160 calling as sidewalk counselors, sidewalk out reach volunteers, whatever, just to deliver 474 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.519 information? We have there just to deliver information? I would say, no, 475 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:53.160 we're not out there just to convey information, but to give an invitation, 476 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:57.680 right, yeah, or to start a conversation. Right, that kind 477 00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.640 of rhymes right. Well, not out there just to deliver in formation, 478 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.279 yeah, but to start a conversation. Yeah. So rather than the first 479 00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.240 impression being don't go in there and murder your child, what if it was 480 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.119 the three talking points? Mommy, your baby is precious. We have help 481 00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.240 for you. Please come over and talk with me. Yeah, probably every 482 00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:22.720 sentence that I give, as far as like my initial first impression sentence to 483 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.319 a woman walking into the abortion center, is going to end with an invitation. 484 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:30.799 So I might touch the three talking points all in kind of one couple 485 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.599 of second speel, so to speak, but I'm almost always going to end 486 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:36.680 it with please, come over and talk with us. I want to give 487 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.279 an invitation, not just deliver information. Yeah, yeah, please, let 488 00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:43.039 us help you. Is Yeah, and what I will say yeah, and 489 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:47.000 that's that. Does tie into the signage that we use now again, our 490 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.240 philosophy on victim images is that God uses them. I think it's biblical to 491 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.640 use them. I think you can use them. I do think if you're 492 00:33:55.680 --> 00:34:00.079 going to use them, at least in my experience, it's good to use 493 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:01.960 them in a balance. If you're going to show a victim of abortion, 494 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:06.279 right beside that needs to be a baby that will save from abortion. I 495 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.280 set before you this day life and death, blessing and cursing. Also think 496 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:14.280 it's good to get those away from the areas of engagement because the interactions you 497 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.159 have when they're close to the areas of engagement are far more hostile. Yeah, 498 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:22.239 and you'll have far less interactions. And so because because of that first 499 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.679 impression thing, like what's the first thing they're seeing? People that are inviting 500 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:29.920 them to come and talk, to receive information, to engage in the conversation, 501 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:31.960 or people who are just there to tell them that what they're doing is 502 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.599 wrong? Yeah, for example, there's a bus that drives around that is 503 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.599 covered with scripture. In one of those scripture there's all kinds of pictures of 504 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:44.199 hell and you're going to hell if you murder your baby. I think is 505 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.719 on there. And when and whenever I see that, I you know, 506 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:51.840 I get why they do what they do, but I always shudder because it 507 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:59.360 always causes in greater anger out there, less interaction, less opportunity to hopefully 508 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.440 have some mom decide to come talk with me, let me help her, 509 00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:07.880 yeah, and save her baby. So, yeah, that first impression, 510 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.920 I think my bias for sure is it needs to be inviting, it needs 511 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.880 to be loving, it needs to be helping, desiring to help, compassionate 512 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:22.800 and leave the harder truths for down the road. Yeah, if they'll come 513 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:24.039 and talk with you. You'll get you'll be able to get to those. 514 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.639 Yeah, but you may never get a second chance to get to those if 515 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.280 you've scared away because your first, her first impression is your judgmental. You're 516 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:37.280 condemning, you hate me, you're angry and I don't want anything to do 517 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:43.000 with you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and those first impressions do well. 518 00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.679 Like we say, your tone sets the tone. So the first impression 519 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:51.840 does set the tone for the conversation. It does help you to build a 520 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:55.000 relationship, because that's what you're doing in a sense, or it's relationship building. 521 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:58.960 You're trying to build trust with them and that little bit of time that 522 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:00.760 you have. Yeah, and so, yeah, the things that you say, 523 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:05.639 even the tone that you come across in can mean a lot. The 524 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.079 tone and the words you use, and I do want to make this point. 525 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:10.599 I know we're short on time, so we're not we don't have many 526 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:15.440 more points left. But the words, be careful. If you can use 527 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:20.000 a word that is less inflammatory and still truthful, I would always air on 528 00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.840 that side. Yeah, at least at the beginning. Murders and inflammatory term. 529 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.159 Taking the life of your baby means the same thing, but it just 530 00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:32.239 is less inflammatory and angry sounding. Yeah, and so I would really encourage 531 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:37.239 people to really think about, think carefully about those inflammatory words. Eat. 532 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.599 Yes, yeah, no doubt about it. Is Abortion, murder? Yeses, 533 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.039 is it? Is it okay the biblical to say don't murder your baby? 534 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.440 Yeah, I'll say that. I have said that. Is it going 535 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.800 to be the first thing that comes out of my mouth? Probably not, 536 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:54.639 definitely not. Yeah. And is it going to be the second thing? 537 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:59.920 Probably not. Be along there. Yeah, if you have fifteen seconds you 538 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:04.400 might. My recommendation from what I have seen, where we get the most 539 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.400 engagement, the most baby saved, the most women coming to the Lord, 540 00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:12.920 is those first fifteen seconds are spent pleading and helpful. Yeah, yeah, 541 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:19.400 absolutely. So we hope this podcast was equipping. Maybe it challenged you guys. 542 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.199 Maybe it offended you. Maybe we said some things that offend you. 543 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.840 We we glory in offending people. We wouldn't be doing our job if we 544 00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:31.360 didn't use someone. So if you were offended, we'd love to hear from 545 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.880 you. You can reach out to me, Daniel, Love Life Dot Org. 546 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.480 You reach her, Vicki. I love life. Don't organ matter of 547 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.159 fact, good to her first. If you're offended, you have to set 548 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:44.599 us straight. Let they deal with it. Not a trust that we encourage 549 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.159 you guys, that we challenge you guys. But Hey, maybe there's some 550 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.599 point of clarification that you could bring. Please reach out to us. Maybe 551 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.000 there's other subjects that you would like for us to cover. Please let us 552 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:58.360 know. We'd love to hear from you, but until next time, God 553 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:08.679 bless God, bless you all. Give me our love for love, give 554 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:19.239 me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. 555 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:35.159 Nothing's too precious, and some that you