Reaching Abortion Workers

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.879 There's a certain level of repentance that's taken place there, right. They're repenting 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:08.160 because they've been involved in the industry, and so it does require sacrifice, 3 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:10.880 and that's why it's important that they understand, like you said, the true 4 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:15.640 gospel. So when we can share the gospel, we need to I'm yours, 5 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:22.000 I'm yours, I'm yours, and me, Lord, I'm yours, 6 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:27.839 I'm yours. I'm Welcome to the Gospel Centered pro Life Podcast, a podcast 7 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:33.520 designed to equip, encourage, and challenge you in pro life ministry and always 8 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:41.560 with a focus on the gospel. Stay tuned. I felt your passh touch 9 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:51.039 your heart. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Gospel Centered Pro Life 10 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:56.719 Podcast. I am here with Daniel Parks and y'all know me. I'm I'm 11 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:02.439 Vicky. I hope y'all are doing well today. We are doing a topic 12 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:06.319 that we thought we had already covered, but we're not sure we have and 13 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:10.040 so we thought maybe it wouldn't hurt to cover it again. And that's how 14 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:15.079 to deal with the abortion workers that you are certainly going to encounter in your 15 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:19.159 work as a as a sidebok counselor so, you know, we like to 16 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.200 say, if there were no abortion workers, there would be no abortion. 17 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.040 So I don't know if that's quite true, but it certainly would decrease the 18 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:30.640 number of abortions. So it wouldn't be an abortion clinics, that's for sure. 19 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.879 Because ye yeah, yeah, So whenever possible, of course, we 20 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:41.719 try to encourage abortion workers to leave the industry. We actually do see a 21 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:46.040 lot of turnover, We do see a lot of success in in doing that. 22 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:52.040 So we wanted to give you some tips on how to how to most 23 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:57.239 effectively maybe get the abortion workers to rethink the job that they are in. 24 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.920 Yeah, you know, one of the awesome things that you've seen over the 25 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.359 past I mean it's probably been two years or so that we've started keeping track 26 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.199 of this, but I think we've seen what forty five abortion workers that have 27 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:12.240 quit over the past two years or so. Yeah, those are the ones 28 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:15.599 we know about. Yeah, and so that's pretty amazing, right, forty 29 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.439 five abortion workers. And some of these people are people that have surrendered their 30 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:23.039 lives to Jesus, which is pretty amazing. Yeah. Yeah, So we'll 31 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:29.000 hop right into that. You all may know Abby Johnson, who was the 32 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:35.159 subject of the movie Unplanned. She was a former Planned Parenthood manager, and 33 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:39.680 when she left the industry, she found it to be very difficult. There 34 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:44.240 had been things that she had seen and done that were illegal. She wanted 35 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.280 to expose them. She ended up in a lawsuit with Planned Parenthood, who 36 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:53.120 was trying to keep her from mentioning anything that she had seen in her in 37 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:59.000 her years at Plant Parenthood, and uh, surprisingly she won the lawsuit. 38 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:05.840 And she recognized how difficult it was for people on so many levels when they 39 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:09.719 leave the abortion industry. They of course it's great that they've left, but 40 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:16.879 there are are often emotional scars, spiritual scars, um the difficulty of finding 41 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:22.800 new work with that on on your record. And so she began a ministry 42 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:29.960 and I never get the name right till there are none or and then one 43 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:34.080 is a song and one is the name of her ministry. So and then 44 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:40.280 there were none and it's a it's a really effective ministry in helping abortion workers 45 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:46.360 who want to leave the abortion industry. They do all kinds of great things. 46 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:52.080 They help with finding new work, they help with legal representation, they 47 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:57.319 even help with salary as the moms are seeking new work and they have I 48 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:01.319 believe it's at least a once a year completely free healing retreat where they'll fly 49 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:10.000 these workers out and have a retreat for um and classes and just a time 50 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:14.599 of of healing for for these workers. So they do a really great um 51 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:20.560 job with working with former abortion workers. And there are some things that we 52 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:26.720 might not know if we did not do that every day, that their ministry 53 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:32.519 does know, the depth of her the depth of the legal um consequences that 54 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:39.240 can occur. So, um yeah, I mean I would say that beyond 55 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:43.920 the legal stuff and beyond just the practical stuff of finding a job and all 56 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:48.439 of that. Um, you know, there's some trauma. I guess is 57 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:53.240 the word that comes to mind. I think you mentioned that that is much 58 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:59.360 like the same trauma in the same experience that post abortive people have. In 59 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:02.519 reality is that many of these abortion workers have abortions in their past as well, 60 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:06.079 but those that don't still they've been involved in abortions. I mean, 61 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:10.800 we even see that with the men they're involved with abortion, they carry a 62 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.639 certain load of guilt or a friend that took a friend to have an abortion. 63 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.360 We've ministered as a ministry to people who need post abortive healing, not 64 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:23.199 because they had an abortion, or took someone to have an abortion, but 65 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.600 because they didn't stop their friend from having an abortion, they didn't speak the 66 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.759 truth, and so there's this guilt that's there necessarily, right, they should 67 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:38.000 feel guilty for being involved in abortions. But when we repent and uh turn 68 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.319 away from the things, we still might carry some of that guilt with us. 69 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:44.800 And the Lord can wash away guilt. So it's important that these abortion 70 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:48.000 workers understand the gospel and that the guilt that they feel is washed away, 71 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:53.079 just like people who have abortions in their past. Right, So I want 72 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.560 I wanted to start off just to be sure that we get this in with 73 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:01.560 immediately. What is the practical thing on a sidewalk you could call out to 74 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:08.560 abortion workers? And this is I'm going to give you typically kind of what 75 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:13.959 I would what I would call out. We always call out the website Abbie 76 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:19.600 Johnson's website. So um, we'll we'll say abortion worker dot com. That's 77 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:25.800 the website abortion worker dot com. It's easy to remember. We do have 78 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:30.480 cards that Abbie Johnson has sent us which we can hand out, but oftentimes 79 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.040 they actually are told that they may not come near us, they may not 80 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.519 talk to us, or they can be fired. And so so I have 81 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:42.240 laid the card down on the grass before and backed away and said, you 82 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.920 can get this card, and I actually did if someone do that once, 83 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:47.639 but they can't come near us. They're on cameras. There's often security cameras, 84 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.879 whatever. But so here's the typical thing I would call out. Let 85 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:56.040 me mention real quick before we get into all of those specifics, because I 86 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:59.439 think it's helpful for people to understand. It's sort of the priority and we 87 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.120 talk about is in our training and we even talk about how to reach out 88 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:05.600 to abortion workers in our trainings. And uh so, if you guys have 89 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.639 been through our trainings one oh one through one o three, you've gotten some 90 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.879 of this information already. We get more in depth with more you know, 91 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.920 the focus on abortion workers. But just so you guys understand, when we're 92 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:21.040 at the abortion center, we kind of see our engagements in a level of 93 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:27.600 priority. And so what we mean by that is the moms calling out to 94 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.240 the mom's engaging with the moms is priority number one, right, Well, 95 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.519 priority number one is honoring Jesus, right, and he wants to save that 96 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:40.040 baby. But the first person we're gonna engage with. We're gonna prioritize engagement 97 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:44.480 with is gonna be the moms going into the clinic. The second is going 98 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.879 to be the dads and support people, friends, family members, the person 99 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:50.439 that brought her there, the person that's there with them. That's gonna be 100 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:55.879 our second priority. Our third priority is going to be the abortion workers. 101 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:59.360 We're gonna engage with them. And so, if you encounter a scenario in 102 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:03.759 which a mom was walking into the abortion center and there's a dad in his 103 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.079 car and there's an abortion worker walking into the back of the abortion center, 104 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:11.079 who are you going to speak to because you can't speak to all three at 105 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.560 the same time. You're going to speak to the mom. If you encounter 106 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.399 a situation where the mom is already in there, there's a dad in the 107 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.160 parking lot, mill around in the parking lot, and then there's an abortion 108 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:22.199 worker walking in, who you're gonna speak to? You can speak to the 109 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.560 dad. Right If neither the mom or the dad or support person is around, 110 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.160 or maybe you've already engaged with them and they've ignored you or flipped you 111 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:33.559 off and told you to stop talking to them, well, then you can 112 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:37.120 move to the next party. Which is the abortion workers calling out to them, 113 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.759 and we do try if we're able to call out to them each time 114 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.240 they walk into the abortion center. Depends on when you get there and if 115 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.919 you notice the flow of things kind of vet latrobe. It's pretty much like 116 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.399 clockwork, right. The abortion workers come in at a particular time, and 117 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.679 so we can address them as they're coming in. Um. And of course 118 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.799 we're gracious in the way that we're addressing them. We're not just yelling out 119 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.399 you filthy murder or whatever. We're speaking the truth. But we're also gracious 120 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.279 of making ourselves approachable. But that is sort of the priority. As we 121 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.879 call out to folks going in, or we engage with folks. Some of 122 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.519 you guys aren't calling out. You're engaging with people on the sidewalker walking into 123 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.919 the abortion center. Either way, if I'm going to hand out literature, 124 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.120 I'm going to hand out literature to that mom going in first, and then 125 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:24.559 maybe to the dad if I can't engage with her, and then maybe to 126 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:26.440 the abortion worker. I can't engage with the mom or the dad, you 127 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.559 know, that's kind of the priority. All that kind of makes sense. 128 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.799 Yeah, yeah, that's good. No, that's good. I'm glad that 129 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.039 you mentioned that it's not in the article I wrote. Uh. Something you 130 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:43.639 should know is that the opposition that often have umbrella's vest outside of the abortion 131 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:50.519 center, they're not abortion workers. Those are volunteers and largely I mean maybe 132 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:54.120 some are paid, but but most are volunteers. I do not call out 133 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.080 abortion worker dot Com to them. It's the people that are working in the 134 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.759 clinic. There is a call center next to the clinic where we work, 135 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.039 and we also they are abortion workers. We do call out to them, 136 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:07.039 and definitely to the clinic people. So what I will typically say, this 137 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.320 is what I'm about to tell you is is if I have a long amount 138 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:13.519 of time. If I don't, all I'll say is my name is Vicky, 139 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.240 and I know there's times you wish you could leave this job. Go 140 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:22.559 to abortion worker dot com. They will help you leave if I have time 141 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.039 to expand upon it. Some of the things I might add, Uh, 142 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:30.639 you understand that your salary is being paid by the death of innocent babies. 143 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.039 Um Uh. They will help you find new work at abortion worker dot com. 144 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.720 They have resources to help you along with healing retreats. They know what 145 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.960 you're going through. If you're contemplating leaving this job, because all of them 146 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:48.360 are former abortion workers themselves abortion worker dot com. And I'll repeat the abortion 147 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:54.720 worker dot com a few times, so um, so that's just right from 148 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.559 the get go, that's that's pretty much what what we will call out, 149 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.399 and we can expand upon it as time perm it. But we've worked with 150 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:07.759 many abortion workers who have left. I'm working with one right now that left 151 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.960 about, I don't know about a month ago, and she reminded me of 152 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.480 some things that I think are very important for all of us to know, 153 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:20.399 which are some of the difficulties that these former workers are going to face and 154 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:24.159 why they're in that job in the first place, which I didn't know when 155 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.759 when I first started as as a sideball councilor but I do know now, 156 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.960 and the difficulties are real and they're significant. So one of the first one 157 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.360 is that many of them are felons. That is not true of every single 158 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:46.679 one of them, for sure, but I have found many of them that 159 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:54.159 I have worked with have a felony record, and finding work is very hard. 160 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:01.519 So um. One of the things Abbie Johnson Ministry does is they have 161 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.879 a very tried and true method of of helping these former workers to find work. 162 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.279 But they really do have to do exactly what Abby Johnson's group tells them 163 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.080 to do, and they pretty much guarantee that they will have work within two 164 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:18.159 weeks I think they say, or maybe it's three weeks, as long as 165 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.039 they follow all that Abbey suggest but it's probably not going to be their dream 166 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:26.399 job. And and so that's very important. That's why we share the gospel. 167 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:31.159 We want to really be sure that they understand that they might not get 168 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:37.320 paid as well if they leave this work, but they will be paid eternally 169 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.600 with with turning their life over to the Lord and doing what he would have 170 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.440 them do. And so that I don't forget in the article that accompanies this 171 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:52.639 uh, at the end of the article, we have a list of companies 172 00:12:52.720 --> 00:13:01.240 that are less resistant and even consider themselves um uh, I don't know helpful 173 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.559 to people in in hiring people with a felony record. And that's a good 174 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.399 list for you to have. I did send it to the woman I'm working 175 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:15.679 with right now because she is struggling to find work. She asked, is 176 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.360 there anyone that doesn't do a background check? You know, honestly, there 177 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.559 aren't many. Um, everyone pretty much does a background check nowadays. And 178 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.440 as soon as she said that, I knew why she said it. I 179 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:31.120 knew it was because there was a felony in her record and and there is, 180 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.120 so keep that in mind. A second important thing to remember is that 181 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:43.440 many of them have done illegal things as abortion inside the clinic, they have 182 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:50.600 seen illegal things, they have participated in illegal things, and they are very 183 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:56.799 fearful about leaving because maybe they've been directly threatened by the abortion center. I 184 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.559 do know some have told me that. Um, but some of them are 185 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.519 just afraid they're going to be liable. They know what they've done, what's 186 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:13.799 wrong, criminally wrong at times. So um, you know, to be 187 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.559 aware of that now. Abby Johnson's group is aware of that, and that's 188 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:24.279 why we really always refer them to group. They can get free legal counsel 189 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.440 in fact with Appy Screw, Yeah, which is really helpful. It's it's 190 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.720 really helpful to have another organization that you can point these abortion workers too. 191 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:37.360 And because like we can't do it all right, we can't follow up with 192 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:39.840 the moms and reach out to the dads and plug them into churches and do 193 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:45.120 the mentor plug him into mentorship and all the other things that we do on 194 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.840 top of that working with abortion workers. It's so it's such a blessing that 195 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.360 we have a ministry that we can point them to that has a framework for 196 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:58.120 all of this stuff very effectives. Yeah. Now, I have found many 197 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:03.159 of the women that I work with tell me they feel it's very intrusive. 198 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:11.000 Would Abbie Johnson's ministry requires to them? But it's not when you understand all 199 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:16.120 that they're doing for these former workers and um and all that they're providing totally 200 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:22.120 free. But be aware of that the workers sometimes do complain about that. 201 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:28.120 The farm workers, I mean, they're in this realm of ministry. They're 202 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.279 the experts and if there's certain information that they need to have and if they're 203 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.679 look at what they're doing, Look what they're offering. They're offering them compensation 204 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.600 until they can find a job. They're offering them a resume, like working 205 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:43.919 through their resume and all that stuff. And so you know, they're the 206 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.159 experts on this. So I'll put that, you know, in their hands 207 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.559 and whether or not how how atrusive intrusive they are, that's between between them 208 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:56.559 and the abortion workers at the end of the day, we're calling these abortion 209 00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.879 workers to repentance, right, and repentance requires acrifice, us turning to the 210 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.879 Lord and doing the right thing. That doesn't mean that every time an abortion 211 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:08.799 worker quits they surrender their life to Jesus. Right. They're not always quitting 212 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:15.120 because of their surrendering to Jesus. Sometimes all the time. It's a process, 213 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.120 right, Um. But you know, either way, there's a certain 214 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:23.000 level of repentance that's taken place. They're right, they're repenting because they've been 215 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:27.039 involved in the industry, and so it does require sacrifice. And that's why 216 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.080 it's important that they understand, like you said, the true gospel. So 217 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.799 when we can share the gospel, we need to Yeah. And and staying 218 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:40.960 in touch um through the process if you can, not to take over what 219 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:45.240 Abbie Johnson's group is doing. But uh, I have had them call me 220 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.559 and say, I just don't want to fill this stuff out, or I 221 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.320 just don't want them to help me with my resume. I think it's good 222 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:56.120 enough. Whatever, And and to keep pointing them back to do what Abbie 223 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.759 tells you to do, because honestly, it's effective. She will help you 224 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.720 find your way out of this mess. But you've gotta you gotta follow through. 225 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:07.079 And since sometimes you're the first point of trust for them, they're more 226 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:12.680 willing to trust you than another organization. So stay in touch if they will 227 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:17.480 allow you to stay in touch. I I do try to until I know 228 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:22.359 that they are now um they've been out for a while from the industry, 229 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:26.480 and that that they have a new job. We have to remember many of 230 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.240 them are poor. Not only do they have a record and many times, 231 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:36.000 but many of them are very poor. And this is a relatively well paying 232 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:40.839 job. And um, and that's the draw. So many of them have 233 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:44.480 told me it's just a job. And when they say that, we remind 234 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:48.079 them, no, it's not just a job. It's a job where innocent 235 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.799 baby's blood pace your salary. But um, but they say, I'm I'm 236 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.440 providing for my family. That's that's why I'm here. I'm trying to care 237 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:00.319 for my family. And God would have me do that. So you've got 238 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.519 to be ready with with an answer to that, because because you'll hear that 239 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.960 a lot. Yeah. And you know, we always talk about speaking the 240 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.839 truth and love, that balance of grace and truth. Um, And we 241 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.720 want to be gracious and we don't want to heap insult to injury, right. 242 00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.839 We want to make sure that we're speaking the truth, but we're also 243 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.039 tempering that with the love of God, the mercy of God, that understanding 244 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:23.759 ourselves that if it wasn't for the grace of God, we might be working 245 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:29.039 inside of an abortion clinic ourselves. Um, but we do need to reiterate 246 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:32.920 that point that this is not just any work. This is not just a 247 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:38.759 job that you're using to pay your bills, but babies are dying because of 248 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:42.079 what you're doing. A lot of times, the pushback you'll get from some 249 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:47.039 of the abortion workers is, especially like the ones in the call center or 250 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.079 like the ones that are working the front desk, is well, I'm not 251 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:53.799 actually doing the abortions. I'm not actually involved in the abortions helping them to 252 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:57.200 understand, Like you laid it out, Actually your check is signed with the 253 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:02.599 blood of innocent babies. You could say it just like that, or you 254 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:07.400 do me too, And um, I'm not yelling that out across the parking 255 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.640 lot. I'm not you know, yelling out again, you filthy murder, 256 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:17.880 you blood stained money. I'm I'm doing that with a gracious tone. I'm 257 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:19.559 doing that with a compassionate tome because at the end of the day, we 258 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:23.599 have to reach these abortion workers with compassion. Right again, we have to 259 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:27.480 understand, except for the grace of God, we would be working inside of 260 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:32.000 an abortion clinic ourselves. So we have to come with compassion. We have 261 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.079 to come with a gracious tone, but we also have to come with the 262 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:41.519 truth and shaking them out of that that sort of that lack of understanding the 263 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:47.440 weight of what they're doing. Um, you do that by stinging them with 264 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.799 the truth and reminding them what they're involved in. Now, I know some 265 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:56.079 of these abortion workers have kind of numbed to their conscience with the idea, 266 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.640 with the notion that they're in it for the women. They're in it for 267 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.599 women's health care. As a matter of fact, Abby Johnson and her testimony, 268 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:08.119 as I recall, God involved because she wanted to help women with reproductive 269 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.599 healthcare. Right. She got involved with plant parenthood because she was sold that 270 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:17.119 that bill of goods, that you're helping women exercise their right to choice and 271 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:21.920 all this other stuff, when in reality, if you see what happens behind 272 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:25.799 the scenes and you talk to abortion workers that are honest about what happens behind 273 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.359 the scenes. They know that it's not helping women. Actually, it's destroying 274 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:33.759 lives, the lives of babies and the lives of the women. So reminding 275 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.720 them of that, and I will say that too. My calling out to 276 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.640 abortion workers is typically like this. I'll start out with God has made you 277 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:47.200 for so much more than this. God has given you skills and ability to 278 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:49.640 help and not to do harm. And you know what you're doing inside of 279 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.680 there's harming babies and harming women. So please go to abortion worker dot com 280 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:59.759 turn away from this industry. And that's how that's normally my my line that 281 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.039 I call out something that I like that because that's giving the positive You're painting 282 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.759 a positive vision. Uh when you're calling out to them, which is a 283 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:10.599 really I think, really, well, ye do the same thing calling out 284 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:12.599 to the abortionist too. I think there is a different level. You know, 285 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:15.920 if we talk about levels of people that we reach out to, You've 286 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:21.960 got the abortion workers kind of like the common nurses and people that work the 287 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.680 front desk and people that work the call center, and then you've got the 288 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:30.279 abortionists. And I think that's even another level of engaging with them and helping 289 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.400 them to understand, and I'll call out that very same thing. I might 290 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:41.319 be a little a little more harsh with the abortionist because I know that he's 291 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.519 there. There's no way that he or she can deny that they're killing human 292 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.839 beings, right, they see the little arms and legs. They know it, 293 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.680 right. They've been to medical school for you know, eight ten years, 294 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.400 so there's no denying the facts. And so i might be a little 295 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.480 more harsh with them, but I'm still gonna be gracious. I'm still gonna 296 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:03.480 understand that except with the grace of God, um, I might be doing 297 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:06.359 the same thing that they're doing. But I do, at the end want 298 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:08.799 to call them to repentance and to call them to connect with the abortion worker 299 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:12.759 dot com folks. Yeah, And and that's a good point that we do 300 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:18.039 call out to the abortionist as well, not not just the clinical workers, 301 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:23.519 but but the abortionist his or him or herself. And one of the things 302 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:30.559 in painting the positive vision sort of idea I will call out is you, 303 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:37.079 at one time, maybe even still have worked handing a living child to his 304 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:44.240 mother, and you know the joy of that moment um, But that's not 305 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:48.039 what you're experiencing in this work, is it? And what do you think 306 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.640 God has called you to? So? Um? So, yeah, calling 307 00:22:52.799 --> 00:23:00.359 calling out to the abortionist as well as really important. Um it's it's something 308 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.440 that kind of has surprised me, but it's it's often the case with the 309 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:08.160 ones that I have worked with, is that they have had very poor role 310 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:12.039 models in their life and some of the basic life skills that we don't even 311 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:18.400 think about. Maybe they don't have, things like when their phone breaks. 312 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.119 This happened recently. Their phone either was discontinued or broke or whatever. And 313 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:26.920 I had given a whole list of kind of two dues and people to call, 314 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:33.440 including abortion worker dot com. And when their phone broke, they just 315 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:38.880 didn't do it. They just kind of didn't persist. And weeks later she 316 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.319 still didn't have a job, And I said, well, what does abortion 317 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:44.640 worker dot com say? And she said, well, I never got back 318 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.720 to them when my phone broke, and and I had to say, well, 319 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.079 that's something you need to do right away. In fact, I would 320 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.559 do it immediately because they're the people that are most going to help you. 321 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:57.799 And said oh okay, and she was willing. She just really didn't even 322 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:02.960 think of it, which is odd to me, but I think to be 323 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:08.920 aware of that, that that helping and coaching them is really important and so 324 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:17.599 kind of um uh to to wrap this up, you've got the article that 325 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:19.960 um that we have put out, and we we don't have the time to 326 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:26.799 go through all of the points. But I think a final point that I 327 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:32.319 I would like to leave us with is remind them of who they are in 328 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:37.880 Christ. Remind them they are not defined by their past. It is very 329 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:42.200 important that they recognize they do not have to always be remembered as the person 330 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:48.599 who helped in the dismemberment of little babies. They are a new creation in 331 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:52.359 Christ, hopefully if they have come to the Lord. But even reminding them, 332 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.400 like you said earlier, Daniel, that God has created them for something 333 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.319 so much better. Yeah. Yeah, if they're not yet children of God, 334 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.599 you can inform them of what they can be and how they can be 335 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:08.079 free in Jesus. If they came to know the Lord through repenting of working 336 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:12.279 in the abortion industry, and you know, through the process, um reminding 337 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:17.160 them that they're not who they used to be. Yeah. That, and 338 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:22.240 so the Lord is very gracious and what he does and we've been blessed to 339 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:26.119 see abortion workers quit. We actually have a testimony in our love life on 340 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:32.720 our love life YouTube channel, Kawana's testimony who Kawanta used to work the front 341 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:37.079 desk of the Tribe Abortion Center for I think she says twelve to fifteen years 342 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:41.839 and um, by God's grace, I would really encourage you guys. Maybe 343 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.160 I'll put that in the show notes for you guys to watch that video if 344 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:47.200 you have not. But it's an awesome testimony, and it's a testimony you 345 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:49.759 can share with other abortion workers as well, just what the Lord will do 346 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.720 and how the Lord can turn things around. So we appreciate you guys listening. 347 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.440 We hope this episode was a blessing to you. You can reach out 348 00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:00.240 to me Daniel at love life dot org. You can reach her vi key 349 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.279 with a y at love life dot org. We'd love to hear from you. 350 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.240 Also check out our podcast website, Gospel Centered pro life dot com, 351 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:10.680 where all of our episodes are stored, and then you can go to our 352 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:15.279 training and equipping website Sidewalks for Life dot com, Sidewalks Centumber before Life dot 353 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:18.440 com. I hope you take advantage of those things. And until next time, 354 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:32.000 God bless bless ye all. Give me our left love, give me 355 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:44.920 our lift for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothings 356 00:26:45.000 --> 00:27:00.240 too precious since I met you, M