Pastors Arrested At An Abortion Center Under A Stay-at-Home Order

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.599 Our calling is not to fight the powers would be our calling is to submit 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.990 to the power. That is, we submit to the Lord Jesus and to 3 00:00:08.150 --> 00:00:14.189 his rule and his reign, because he's the Lord. I Am Yours, 4 00:00:14.589 --> 00:00:19.789 I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Some local 5 00:00:19.829 --> 00:00:25.019 pastures were arrested for praying outside an abortion clinic and violation of a stayathome order. 6 00:00:25.460 --> 00:00:29.219 Join Vicky and as we talked through this biblically and the impact that stay 7 00:00:29.219 --> 00:00:32.740 at home orders and other laws have had on pro life ministry and me, 8 00:00:33.060 --> 00:00:48.609 Lord, I felt show Passish, touch your h use me love. Welcome 9 00:00:48.649 --> 00:00:54.560 to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We're here in an undisclosed location somewhere 10 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:58.520 inside the city of Charlotte, hunkered down in the midst of a pandemic. 11 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:02.320 Right. Not Trying to make light of it. It's a it's a big 12 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:04.950 issue, this coronavirus thing that we're all dealing with it. We're all dealing 13 00:01:04.989 --> 00:01:10.829 with various aspects of it, various aspects of way, the way that this 14 00:01:10.950 --> 00:01:14.909 thing has affected our lives and how, you know, I guess, the 15 00:01:14.989 --> 00:01:21.299 the repercussions of it and some of the decisions that local governments and the national 16 00:01:21.579 --> 00:01:26.060 the federal government and state governments have made in order to tamp down on this, 17 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:27.980 or, let's say tamped down, but in order to, I guess 18 00:01:27.980 --> 00:01:32.420 it else, the spread of this this virus. How you listen, we 19 00:01:32.700 --> 00:01:36.010 have to acknowledge, you know, there's conspiracy, theorists out there that think 20 00:01:36.090 --> 00:01:40.890 that this has is really not true, that the hospitals are actually empty and 21 00:01:41.090 --> 00:01:44.409 there's not people suffering from this. But we know that there are people suffering 22 00:01:44.450 --> 00:01:47.239 from from this virus and we don't want to make light of it, right, 23 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:55.200 but we do need to put it in perspective, and I'm not just 24 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.359 talking about economic perspective, but one of the things that we're going to talk 25 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:01.030 about today, the main focus what we're going to talk about today, is 26 00:02:02.310 --> 00:02:12.189 the fact that abortion clinics remain open right, even though not essential medical services. 27 00:02:12.550 --> 00:02:15.860 The federal government has said these things should stop, right and you know, 28 00:02:16.219 --> 00:02:19.500 local governments it said that. You know, they said that, I 29 00:02:19.659 --> 00:02:22.419 think, here in Mecklenburg County, and the state has said that. All 30 00:02:22.419 --> 00:02:27.580 right. Well, they've said that all medical operations that are not necessary should 31 00:02:27.580 --> 00:02:30.930 be postponed. Yeah, absolutely. I just talked to gather the other day. 32 00:02:30.969 --> 00:02:36.250 He said his his mother's mother in law supposed to have brain cancer surgery. 33 00:02:36.490 --> 00:02:38.770 Oh My, and that's been postponed for two months. Wow, now, 34 00:02:39.569 --> 00:02:43.569 I mean, I'm not a doctor, right, don't even play one 35 00:02:43.610 --> 00:02:47.439 on TV. Yeah, but I'm thinking brain canswer surgery probably essential. You 36 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:50.919 with think, you know, yeah, and so you know. But we 37 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.319 just we just came from the abortion clinic here in Charlotte. How many abortion 38 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:58.710 patients were there? Mobbed? At least forty. Wow, probably amazing. 39 00:02:58.750 --> 00:03:05.030 Say, yeah, it's it's hard to wrap your mind around how folks can 40 00:03:05.069 --> 00:03:09.349 talk about you, non essential services being put off until you know, some 41 00:03:09.469 --> 00:03:15.659 undefined time, and yet here the abortion clinic is full forty abortion patients. 42 00:03:15.659 --> 00:03:17.580 And then we talk about social distancing. There's no way. And I don't 43 00:03:17.580 --> 00:03:20.659 know. I know the other day they were bringing them in and they were 44 00:03:20.740 --> 00:03:23.020 making some of them sit out in their cars and so so they didn't, 45 00:03:23.219 --> 00:03:25.659 you know, have the building full of people. Yeah, there are a 46 00:03:25.699 --> 00:03:28.849 couple of days though, they had at least thirty people there and they were 47 00:03:28.849 --> 00:03:30.969 all inside of the buildings. I don't know how it was to day. 48 00:03:30.129 --> 00:03:34.289 Yeah, I think it was a mix of both of those same but I'm 49 00:03:34.409 --> 00:03:38.370 sure they there was no way that they were keeping the social distance. Yeah, 50 00:03:38.569 --> 00:03:40.680 I mean we saw even as they lined up. There was like ten 51 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:44.719 and ten lined up as they open the doors and they were all past. 52 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.080 I mean they were right on each other's backs. Yes, well, yeah, 53 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:51.960 it's crazy. So that's what we're going to be talking about gas and 54 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.789 if you're, you know, stirred up over just what little bit we've mentioned 55 00:03:54.830 --> 00:03:59.030 thus far, you should be. Yeah, we you know, there's there's 56 00:03:59.069 --> 00:04:02.389 a phony outrage that goes around in society and people get out raised over things 57 00:04:02.430 --> 00:04:05.870 they're not really outraged over. You know, I'm I don't even like the 58 00:04:05.909 --> 00:04:11.780 word outrage, but I'm outraged with abortion in general. So, I mean, 59 00:04:12.340 --> 00:04:16.100 obviously, full disclosure, I think abortion clinics should be shut down because 60 00:04:16.100 --> 00:04:20.259 they killed children. Right, had really nothing to do with the coronavirus. 61 00:04:20.339 --> 00:04:24.220 Yeah, it should be shut down because they're killing children. Yeah, my 62 00:04:24.610 --> 00:04:28.529 my opinion, and I believe in the scriptures opinion, God's opinion. Yeah, 63 00:04:28.930 --> 00:04:30.810 but they're people who, you know, think that abortion is a good 64 00:04:30.930 --> 00:04:34.730 thing and, you know, abortion clinic should remain open, and yet they're 65 00:04:34.850 --> 00:04:40.920 talking about this social distancing. We talked about this in our coronavirus podcast where 66 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:46.800 we talked about the hypocrisy about bodily autonomy, and yet now the government is 67 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:48.720 able to take away your bodily autonomy as long as it affects another person. 68 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:54.110 So you have people who are pro choice or complaining about, you know, 69 00:04:54.230 --> 00:04:58.790 people spreading this virus. They should be complaining about the fact that there's a 70 00:04:58.910 --> 00:05:02.670 building with forty people that have come to that place that are having a non 71 00:05:02.870 --> 00:05:13.620 essential elective surgical procedure or medical procedure right being potentially exposed and exposing others to 72 00:05:14.139 --> 00:05:17.779 this virus. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's a they should be outraged, 73 00:05:17.899 --> 00:05:21.850 but of course they're not, because they think abortion is is an essential 74 00:05:21.970 --> 00:05:27.449 thing and it's their precious little jewel that they want to protect at all costs 75 00:05:27.569 --> 00:05:30.930 and even expand. I mean it's becoming an excuse like that. I have 76 00:05:31.089 --> 00:05:35.839 heard that there is talk of trying to get rid of the height amendment and 77 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:42.199 have public funding of abortion, because the coronavirus has made it so difficult for 78 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.000 these women who have now lost their job, yes, to be able to 79 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:48.920 get their abortion right. So so there should be taxpayer funding, yeah, 80 00:05:49.110 --> 00:05:55.029 of abortion. It's crazy it because we've seen over the past couple of weeks, 81 00:05:55.350 --> 00:05:59.509 since this coronavirus scare and all this, we've seen an increase in people 82 00:05:59.550 --> 00:06:01.430 coming for aboords. All My yess, yeah, yeah, and it's like, 83 00:06:02.069 --> 00:06:05.699 okay, so this, this is ramped up, have an abortions and 84 00:06:05.779 --> 00:06:08.819 all that. And course you have to ask yourself why, and I think 85 00:06:08.819 --> 00:06:12.980 we know it because fear. We've encountered people now, a couple of different 86 00:06:13.019 --> 00:06:16.699 people, who've told US specifically they're there for an abortion right because of the 87 00:06:16.819 --> 00:06:20.209 coronavirus. They lost their job and then this that. So of course we 88 00:06:20.290 --> 00:06:26.009 get that and that's why it's even more essential that we are there. Exactly 89 00:06:26.569 --> 00:06:30.889 because in all the the cases over the past few days, since the stay 90 00:06:30.889 --> 00:06:34.879 at home order, especially when people have come over and talked with us, 91 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:41.480 and it's very evident that their decision to abort is being fueled by fear that 92 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:45.959 has been brought on by the coronavirus. And in the three cases that come 93 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.910 immediately to my mind, all three of them really did not want an abortion, 94 00:06:50.269 --> 00:06:54.709 really did not. And as soon as we were able to take away 95 00:06:54.790 --> 00:06:58.149 that element of fear and talk about the hope and help that was available and 96 00:06:58.310 --> 00:07:01.300 talk with them about the truth of God that all three of them chose life. 97 00:07:01.300 --> 00:07:04.100 Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. The story from today that you share 98 00:07:04.139 --> 00:07:08.740 with me. A couple from a country, I guess we write and another 99 00:07:08.860 --> 00:07:12.939 country, from another country and good ways away, had some issues that they're 100 00:07:12.939 --> 00:07:15.009 dealing with. She didn't want to have an abortion at all, but felt 101 00:07:15.050 --> 00:07:18.649 like there's just no way in the midst of all this. And, of 102 00:07:18.769 --> 00:07:21.730 course, you know, you were able to offer them resources that they helped 103 00:07:21.810 --> 00:07:25.490 them. Yeah, and they had no idea and if we hadn't been there 104 00:07:25.529 --> 00:07:29.009 again at just zeroed out, they there. She was already in there, 105 00:07:29.050 --> 00:07:31.560 the abortionist had arrived, she was in there for the abortion and the husband 106 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.639 came over to talk to me and I told him what we could offer, 107 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:39.759 all legitimate things, by the way, that they already have availed themselves of. 108 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.680 Yeah, as soon as we offered them, we made good. We 109 00:07:44.509 --> 00:07:47.790 got the people necessary to follow through on those resources. Yes, you say 110 00:07:47.790 --> 00:07:51.230 they already have availed themselves of like they've already been plugged into the researchers. 111 00:07:51.269 --> 00:07:56.550 They're absolutely. Yeah, absolutely, and they immediately went from the abortion clinic, 112 00:07:56.709 --> 00:08:00.339 chose life, went from the abortion clinic to the other resources and things 113 00:08:00.379 --> 00:08:03.819 that connect. That's right. And in fact the the husband, said would 114 00:08:03.860 --> 00:08:05.259 you be able to do? I told him what we could do. Said 115 00:08:05.300 --> 00:08:09.379 can you do this now? Yeah, and I said yes, yeah, 116 00:08:09.660 --> 00:08:15.810 and we did, and that's God. God, God a shared and and 117 00:08:16.009 --> 00:08:20.610 provides. But but the the overarching point is that this was a woman who 118 00:08:20.610 --> 00:08:26.680 actually wanted the baby, but she was absolutely adamantly set on abortion because she 119 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:31.240 did not see her own way out of this mess. But we did. 120 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.080 And Yeah, I did, and if we hadn't been there, that baby 121 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.559 would be dead. Yeah, yeah, and that's you know, I guess 122 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.389 spring boards right into what we're talking about in this podcast, which is something 123 00:08:41.470 --> 00:08:45.710 we're dealing with locally. You know, I've I've had a few people reach 124 00:08:45.830 --> 00:08:48.629 out to me in light of the state at home order that's been issued by 125 00:08:48.710 --> 00:08:52.110 Mecklenburg County. And you guys, you know, across the nation you probably 126 00:08:52.149 --> 00:08:56.019 dealing with this their states that have enacted stay at home or orders or shelter 127 00:08:56.179 --> 00:09:00.500 in place orders, and there's different levels of that, and I won't get 128 00:09:00.500 --> 00:09:01.860 into all of that because I don't know all the INS and outs of that, 129 00:09:03.460 --> 00:09:05.740 but there are people who are dealing with this in their city and their 130 00:09:05.740 --> 00:09:07.179 people are dealing with is this and their state, and so you know I'm 131 00:09:07.179 --> 00:09:11.289 talking about when talking about stay at home order, and in ours here in 132 00:09:11.370 --> 00:09:16.049 Mecklenburg County was basically stay at home unless you're part of an essential service or 133 00:09:16.850 --> 00:09:22.129 you are a support company or whatever for an essential service, or you need 134 00:09:22.169 --> 00:09:26.919 to walk your dog or you need to walk your dog or go kayaking or 135 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.519 bicycling to there are certain exceptions here, but you know, we're dealing with 136 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.559 that here in Mecklemburg County. It's in place for thirty days, yeah, 137 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:41.509 if I'm not mistaken, and then today actually at five o'clock and we're recording 138 00:09:41.549 --> 00:09:45.230 this on a Monday. This is the thirty of March that we recording this. 139 00:09:46.590 --> 00:09:50.149 They're supposed to be a statewide thank that's have some of the same language 140 00:09:50.149 --> 00:09:52.299 as the Mecklenburg County one. Anyway, I've gotten people that have asked me 141 00:09:52.539 --> 00:09:56.539 and, you know, even well, meeting people, some believers, they're 142 00:09:56.580 --> 00:09:58.820 like, why you guys? Didn't you know? Why you guys not abiding 143 00:09:58.860 --> 00:10:03.019 by this stay at home order? Yeah, you guys are breaking the law, 144 00:10:03.659 --> 00:10:07.250 you guys are violating this thing and you guys are potentially exposing yourself and 145 00:10:07.330 --> 00:10:11.529 exposing to other others to this virus and you're potentially part of the problem. 146 00:10:11.570 --> 00:10:15.250 Yeah, and I think it's a legitimate concern for people. Listen, there's 147 00:10:15.289 --> 00:10:18.929 there's a lot of concern. There's a lot of people that are afraid they're 148 00:10:18.929 --> 00:10:20.929 going to, you know, not just that they're going to get this thing, 149 00:10:20.169 --> 00:10:22.480 but we should be concerned as Christians that we're not a part of the 150 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.159 problem, that we're not spreading this this virus us around. I don't want 151 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.000 someone that I'm in contact with, you know, I have you know, 152 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:31.480 if I had this this virus, had it in my body, which, 153 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.389 by God's grace, I don't, but if I did and I expose an 154 00:10:35.470 --> 00:10:39.669 older person to it, I would feel horrible. If I was just being 155 00:10:39.750 --> 00:10:41.470 haphazard. I mean some things you can't help, but if I'm just going 156 00:10:41.549 --> 00:10:46.269 out and being recklessly, you know, exposed to this thing and exposing myself 157 00:10:46.389 --> 00:10:48.549 to the situations that that I don't need to, then that would be an 158 00:10:48.590 --> 00:10:52.220 issue. Yeah, but here's the thing. We're not doing that right. 159 00:10:52.299 --> 00:10:54.620 You know, we have friends also, you know, I'm told you I 160 00:10:54.659 --> 00:10:58.059 wanted to mention our friends with love life, Charlotte, our love life. 161 00:10:58.179 --> 00:11:01.419 Now they're, you know, all over the country, there here in Charlotte, 162 00:11:01.419 --> 00:11:05.970 Greensboro, Raleigh and then now in New York City, and they're doing 163 00:11:05.049 --> 00:11:09.409 prayer walks and that's there. One of their primary focus is bringing the church 164 00:11:09.450 --> 00:11:11.210 out to the abortion clinics to do prayer walks. And they were out there 165 00:11:11.490 --> 00:11:16.809 this past Saturday and there their ministry was in Greensboro, North Carolina, and 166 00:11:18.009 --> 00:11:22.840 they're doing a prayer walk and the police came out because Greensboro does have a 167 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.600 stay at home order and under the you know, authority, I guess, 168 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.200 of the stay at home order, they told him they had to leave, 169 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:33.149 so they did. The prayer walkers and the people who were there that morning 170 00:11:33.230 --> 00:11:35.909 left, but justin a good friend of mine who we had on the podcast 171 00:11:37.230 --> 00:11:41.830 some months ago went as the founder that ministry to see what was up and, 172 00:11:41.429 --> 00:11:43.870 you know, we believe, and they believe, that they had good 173 00:11:46.070 --> 00:11:48.059 standing to be out there. There are certain provisions, and we'll talk about 174 00:11:48.059 --> 00:11:52.980 those in a little bit, where we stand on these things exactly and in 175 00:11:52.179 --> 00:11:54.539 certain you know, we're not just kind of pulling the stuff out of the 176 00:11:54.620 --> 00:11:58.059 dark, out of the air. We have lawyers that we've talked to we've 177 00:11:58.179 --> 00:12:03.889 read through the orders. We all sixteen pages exactly, and we want to 178 00:12:03.009 --> 00:12:05.730 be in you know, we want to be in compliance. We're not just 179 00:12:05.970 --> 00:12:09.090 reckless. They you know, our friends would love life. They're not just 180 00:12:09.210 --> 00:12:11.250 reckless just to go out there and do what we want. We understand these 181 00:12:11.330 --> 00:12:16.000 are difficult times, these are extenuating circumstances and there's things that we maybe could 182 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.000 have done a two months ago that we can't do now, you know. 183 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:22.679 But anyway, so our friends, they went out there. That Justin and 184 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:26.240 a couple of the other guys went out there and ultimately they were arrested. 185 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:31.110 They were they were arrested and and they were booked and and then, you 186 00:12:31.190 --> 00:12:35.470 know, let go and the police. Some of you guys, if you 187 00:12:35.509 --> 00:12:37.470 want to check, probably Google search it pretty easily, but you can see 188 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.389 the facebook live that they were recording at the time. The police did not 189 00:12:41.509 --> 00:12:45.100 want to have a conversation with them about the what they were even out there 190 00:12:45.179 --> 00:12:46.659 for. They didn't want to have a conversation about, you know, their 191 00:12:46.700 --> 00:12:50.659 legal ground that they were standing on to be out there, and they just 192 00:12:50.779 --> 00:12:54.659 sits there. Yeah, there wasn't. They had the order, they had 193 00:12:54.740 --> 00:12:58.340 the orders and the paperwork in hand everything to show them, and the the 194 00:12:58.419 --> 00:13:01.850 police officers did not want to see it at not these that we're past that 195 00:13:01.929 --> 00:13:05.409 point. Yeah, as either leaver you're going to jail. So anyway. 196 00:13:05.450 --> 00:13:11.450 And then Monday today actually, when recording this podcast, a group of pastors, 197 00:13:11.490 --> 00:13:15.919 along with some of the folks from love life, went back out there 198 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.840 again to pray. They were just five of them and and actually the order 199 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:22.120 says you can't have a group of more than ten, so they were, 200 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.950 you know, half of that, and again they took them to jail. 201 00:13:26.990 --> 00:13:31.509 Yeah, they also another thing that really just was like wow, how can 202 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:33.750 they even justify this at all? And you know, we listen, we 203 00:13:33.909 --> 00:13:37.429 honor the police, we appreciate all that they do. It's you know, 204 00:13:37.909 --> 00:13:41.820 there are police officers to make decisions that are that are very difficult, and 205 00:13:43.019 --> 00:13:46.059 we get that. But also police officers make decisions that like come on, 206 00:13:46.299 --> 00:13:48.899 man, you can rethink that thing. So this, but really this comes 207 00:13:48.940 --> 00:13:52.100 from the higher ups. But the mobile unit, you know, there was 208 00:13:52.100 --> 00:13:54.059 a mobile unit, mobile ultrasound unit, like what we have here in Charlotte 209 00:13:54.059 --> 00:13:58.250 Park there and near the abortion center in a parking lot where they have permission 210 00:13:58.250 --> 00:14:01.490 from the business to be there illegal medical yeah, yeah, absolutely legal within 211 00:14:01.809 --> 00:14:05.370 the the boundaries of the stayathome order. You know, if the abortion clinic 212 00:14:07.129 --> 00:14:11.600 is a medical facility, and you know it's a medical facility because it has 213 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:15.720 medical staff and medical equipment. The mobile ultrasound units are as well. there. 214 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:20.440 There's medical staff, there's an urn or scenographer that's been trained, that 215 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.509 has a medical license under the state of North Carolina. There's medical equipment. 216 00:14:24.710 --> 00:14:30.230 You know, all they had and confidential always supply. They followed all the 217 00:14:30.309 --> 00:14:33.710 Seenis Se resommendations to keep it nice and clean and yeah, but they were 218 00:14:33.789 --> 00:14:37.950 told that they had to leave, and so they had to. They had 219 00:14:37.990 --> 00:14:39.659 to pack up and leave where they would have gone to jail and maybe they 220 00:14:39.700 --> 00:14:43.340 would have towed away their mobile unit, I don't know. You know, 221 00:14:43.460 --> 00:14:48.940 so one one medical facility is told to leave, the other medical facility is 222 00:14:48.419 --> 00:14:54.169 deemed essential. And what was the difference between the two? The message? 223 00:14:54.169 --> 00:14:56.809 Yeah, I mean that's exactly what it was. And you know, I'm 224 00:14:56.889 --> 00:15:00.649 again, I'm not a lawyer. We do have lawyers that were that we're 225 00:15:00.649 --> 00:15:03.049 dealing with from our end, and they love life does as well. But 226 00:15:03.210 --> 00:15:09.080 just on its face there's an obvious bias there. It seems to me that 227 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.799 with this, you know, public emergency, this, you know, emergency 228 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.919 designation. Right there were state of emergency. That's the terrible American for earlier. 229 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.629 The state of emergency designation has given people who, you know, who 230 00:15:22.629 --> 00:15:26.909 are limited by the constitution, limited by other laws, to it's just given 231 00:15:26.950 --> 00:15:31.309 them free reign to just run all over people's rights, and that's that is 232 00:15:31.429 --> 00:15:33.710 not the way that it ought to be. Yet, based on fear and 233 00:15:33.789 --> 00:15:37.580 safety, which is don't fear and safe, and capitalizing on people's fears right 234 00:15:37.700 --> 00:15:43.419 and people's desire for safety, they're just pushing the constitution to the side and 235 00:15:43.539 --> 00:15:46.500 that's a grievous thing. Now, one of the things I do want to 236 00:15:46.539 --> 00:15:48.500 say, and this is this is something I said to you earlier, that 237 00:15:48.539 --> 00:15:52.730 I want folks that are listening to understand we as a ministry, our job 238 00:15:54.450 --> 00:15:58.210 and are calling from the Lord, is not to fight the powers that be. 239 00:15:58.330 --> 00:16:00.769 It's not to, you know, put a stake in the ground and 240 00:16:02.169 --> 00:16:04.960 fight constitutional battles, even though we were in our mission statement. Does it's 241 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.679 anything about exactly exactly, although we do have a federal lawsuit against the city 242 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:14.159 of Charlotte because of them infringing on our First Amendment Rights. It's not our 243 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:18.000 primary calling and we don't want to get wrapped up in it in anything else. 244 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:19.269 We don't want to. We don't want to be in the lawsuit that 245 00:16:19.309 --> 00:16:22.990 we're in right now. But there comes a point where your pressured by, 246 00:16:22.950 --> 00:16:26.509 you know, we're pressured by the city or by other government entities where you 247 00:16:26.950 --> 00:16:30.830 can't just abide. Yeah, and another for folks that are asking, you 248 00:16:30.909 --> 00:16:33.220 know, aren't we supposed to obey the law of the land? We talked 249 00:16:33.259 --> 00:16:38.779 about this some months ago in another podcast about civil disobedience and Romans chapter thirteen 250 00:16:38.820 --> 00:16:41.940 and all that stuff. And aren't we supposed to obey the law of the 251 00:16:41.980 --> 00:16:45.700 land? Yes, we are supposed to obey the law of the land, 252 00:16:45.740 --> 00:16:48.809 but when the law of the land is in contradiction to the law of God, 253 00:16:51.409 --> 00:16:56.129 clearly lay down in scripture, we have to respectfully decline to obey when 254 00:16:56.169 --> 00:17:00.370 it yeah, yeah, yeah, when it's an obvious contradiction to God's word, 255 00:17:00.570 --> 00:17:04.000 which is true, but in this case we don't even need to worry 256 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:10.279 about that. Honestly, within the Statute itself, for the ordinance itself, 257 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.359 we are justified in being there. Yeah, and so, you know, 258 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:19.309 maybe can you just give us kind of a review or an overview of what 259 00:17:19.509 --> 00:17:30.940 the content of that stay at home order states that we see as being justification? 260 00:17:30.980 --> 00:17:33.900 Yeah, yeah, for us to be there, and then maybe, 261 00:17:33.940 --> 00:17:38.259 lady, we could even talk about how the lawyer also went over that with 262 00:17:38.339 --> 00:17:42.299 us and justify. Yes, those are so we have attorneys with the Thomas 263 00:17:42.380 --> 00:17:45.650 Moore Society that are helping us out with our federal case against the city for 264 00:17:47.690 --> 00:17:51.970 infringing upon our rights to use signage and given out literature and all that other 265 00:17:52.009 --> 00:17:53.849 stuff, and get into those details. But Anyway, they they've written for 266 00:17:53.930 --> 00:17:59.960 us a letter as they've gone through this stayathome order and they've given us a 267 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.799 letter that basically says, you know, you're in compliance because of this, 268 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.599 this and this and this. Right now, I don't know if I've already 269 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:07.960 said this, but I do want to make this clear that we are taking 270 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:12.630 the CDC recommendations very serious seriously. You know, we even have marks on 271 00:18:12.750 --> 00:18:17.750 the pavement. It might see good six feet almost expen the sidewalk. We're 272 00:18:17.789 --> 00:18:21.069 not high five and we're not hugging, we're not handshaken. We're being very 273 00:18:21.109 --> 00:18:25.349 intentional about being spread out Yep, we're sanitizing our hands after every interaction we 274 00:18:25.470 --> 00:18:27.700 have someone. If they stop and take our literature, you might say, 275 00:18:27.740 --> 00:18:32.740 well, you're passing out literature. That's that's not in accordance with the CDC 276 00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:36.900 recommendation. As well, if you're going to a place to get drive through 277 00:18:36.980 --> 00:18:40.140 food and you're you're doing more than what we're doing and passing out of piece 278 00:18:40.220 --> 00:18:44.529 of information. Their handing you a bag of food exactly exactly. So, 279 00:18:44.650 --> 00:18:48.089 I mean there's listen, we understand there are certain risk just being out in 280 00:18:48.250 --> 00:18:52.049 public. There's a certain risk that's involved and being exposed to this virus. 281 00:18:52.130 --> 00:18:55.690 We get it. But is the risk worth it? Like when you go 282 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.680 to the grocery store, you are, you are risking getting exposed or, 283 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:02.759 if you carry this thing and don't know what, exposing other people. But 284 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.759 is the reward, for lack of a better term, worth the risk? 285 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:08.519 Of course, you need groceries, right, you've got to do that. 286 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:12.309 Certain things you have to do. They are certain essential things. And so 287 00:19:12.789 --> 00:19:15.750 are we risking being on the sidewalk, even though we're spread out, even 288 00:19:15.789 --> 00:19:18.950 though we're sanitizing in your hands, even though we're doing all the things that 289 00:19:19.029 --> 00:19:22.710 we ought to be doing social distance, no more than ten people to all 290 00:19:22.750 --> 00:19:26.099 of that. Is there risk? Yes, but is the reward, I 291 00:19:26.180 --> 00:19:29.740 guess, for lack of a better term, again, worth the risk? 292 00:19:30.019 --> 00:19:33.259 Yes, because what is the reward? Well, it's just what you shared 293 00:19:33.259 --> 00:19:37.420 earlier. Yeah, it's those babies get a voice and women who who would 294 00:19:37.779 --> 00:19:41.009 be back and forth in their mind and their heart about the abortion are getting 295 00:19:41.410 --> 00:19:45.089 a choice. Yeah, we're offering them a choice, we're offering them hope, 296 00:19:45.170 --> 00:19:48.210 we're offering them alternatives. Yeah, and the word of God. So, 297 00:19:48.569 --> 00:19:52.960 anyway, to jump into what the stayathome order says a little bit. 298 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.920 I think I've already mentioned it, and the where we kind of fit in 299 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.759 with this thing. You know that. It's yeah, you you not supposed 300 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.759 to be outlass is an essential thing. There's certain essential things that have been 301 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.599 laid out, but one of the things I did want to mention just right 302 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:10.910 away in this stay at home order it says prohibited activities. This is all 303 00:20:10.990 --> 00:20:15.430 public and private gatherings of more than ten people are prohibited. Right. So 304 00:20:15.509 --> 00:20:18.910 what does that tell me? Well, that tells me that want that public 305 00:20:18.029 --> 00:20:25.900 and private gatherings that are under ten ten people are under are not prohibited, 306 00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:29.940 they're actually allowed. Yea. So we fit under that criteria and right, 307 00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:33.259 no problem, because we have been intentional. Any there have been times where, 308 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:37.089 you know, we've had more than ten people out on the side in 309 00:20:37.170 --> 00:20:38.450 our history, and you know in our history, yeah, yeah, but 310 00:20:38.609 --> 00:20:42.730 now, since this thing, since the CDC recommendations, we've been intentional about 311 00:20:42.769 --> 00:20:45.930 not having more than ten people. We have we tried to be very intentional 312 00:20:45.970 --> 00:20:51.480 about us and we were limited our teams to four or five people, and 313 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:53.839 that until people out there and if we've been sent some home or we've sent 314 00:20:53.960 --> 00:21:00.000 them elsewhere, so that we are definitely appliance there. Absolutely, so that 315 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:04.990 you know right away that's that's one of the things that I see. Another 316 00:21:06.109 --> 00:21:08.230 thing, and this is I'm not going to name out the sections and all 317 00:21:08.230 --> 00:21:11.549 this because I'm sure people aren't going to be looking through this, but another 318 00:21:11.589 --> 00:21:15.869 thing that talks about here it says that you can leave your home for essential 319 00:21:15.910 --> 00:21:18.980 activities, and these are these permitted activities. I'll just read the titles for 320 00:21:19.299 --> 00:21:22.859 health and safety. So if you need to go to a doctor's appointment or 321 00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:26.339 emergency situation, even for pets, by the way, if you need take 322 00:21:26.339 --> 00:21:29.900 your pet to the veterinarian. Right, you can do that under this order. 323 00:21:29.900 --> 00:21:33.210 Yeah, for necessary supplies and services. So basically you can go to 324 00:21:33.289 --> 00:21:36.730 the store, you can go get food and get other things that are necessary 325 00:21:37.210 --> 00:21:40.769 for outdoor activity. That's one I think you mentioned earlier. Yeah, so 326 00:21:40.890 --> 00:21:44.650 you can engage in outdoor activities long as you social distance. So you can 327 00:21:44.690 --> 00:21:48.720 go and says out here, by way of example, and without limitation, 328 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:52.759 walking, hiking, golfing, running, cycling, are using the green ways, 329 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:56.000 and so you can. You can go and says they can go into 330 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.000 parks, but just can't play on the park, the playground, on the 331 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:04.069 press playground. Yeah, because slid surfaces, apparently, can carry the virus 332 00:22:04.269 --> 00:22:11.069 longer. Yeah, that's the next part is for certain types of work. 333 00:22:11.269 --> 00:22:15.700 And here's where it talks about healthcare and public health operations, Human Services and 334 00:22:15.940 --> 00:22:19.819 all these other things. And and listen, we know if, let's if 335 00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:23.619 they're gonna DEEM THE ABORTION CLINICS TO FIT in this criteria, this is a 336 00:22:25.460 --> 00:22:30.450 public health organization or whatever, then the mobile unit, who serves the same 337 00:22:30.690 --> 00:22:33.009 clientele, yeah, fits in that category as well. And you know, 338 00:22:33.450 --> 00:22:37.410 whether we buy extension or applied to that or not. In some people's minds. 339 00:22:37.450 --> 00:22:41.130 We believe that we are because we, you know, we're are teams, 340 00:22:41.170 --> 00:22:45.119 are operating alongside that mobile unit. And you you on, you go 341 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:48.799 on. Want to counseling board where required to be there as as the witness 342 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:53.000 yeah, I'm there needs to do to medical care. People on board there 343 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:59.589 and that are counselors are the ones that are witnessing and and counseling with the 344 00:22:59.710 --> 00:23:03.710 resources. Yeah, yeah, and continueing on, you know what talks about, 345 00:23:03.109 --> 00:23:06.710 and this is in section three on if you have it on the air. 346 00:23:06.789 --> 00:23:08.430 But again, people aren't probably following along, and that's fine, you 347 00:23:08.470 --> 00:23:11.390 should. Probably shouldn't, because it's a bunch of some of it's a bunch 348 00:23:11.390 --> 00:23:17.660 of legally's stuff anyway. But it talks about repredictive reproductive health providers and of 349 00:23:17.740 --> 00:23:21.380 course we know that's probably exempt. They are, example, from the state 350 00:23:21.420 --> 00:23:26.099 of exempt from the state productive healthcare providers. Yeah, okay, yeah, 351 00:23:26.140 --> 00:23:30.130 and you know that's stuck in there to let abortion clinic stay open, exactly. 352 00:23:30.170 --> 00:23:34.650 But but what's reproductive health? Of course, yeah, pregnancy is reproductive 353 00:23:34.809 --> 00:23:37.769 health. Yeah, pregnancy is normal, it's not a disease. And so 354 00:23:38.009 --> 00:23:47.319 that those who are helping to sustain that pregnancy and give the mom's resources and 355 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:52.160 and medical assistance so that they can and continue on with a healthy pregnancy. 356 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.390 Certainly fall under this category. Yeah, absolutely, and that's exactly but the 357 00:23:56.470 --> 00:24:00.430 RV, oh, yes, and that we so doubt about it. Yeah, 358 00:24:00.430 --> 00:24:03.710 again, they serve the same clientele as the abortion clinic does, except 359 00:24:03.750 --> 00:24:07.190 for the goals are different. For the abortion clinic, obviously it's to make 360 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:10.700 money off of killing the child. For the mobile unit, it's not make 361 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:14.539 any money because they don't write. But all for free help to the woman 362 00:24:14.660 --> 00:24:18.220 so she doesn't feel like she has to go through with the abortion killed child, 363 00:24:18.380 --> 00:24:22.140 right, and also talks about human service operations. And this where it 364 00:24:22.220 --> 00:24:26.289 talks not just about medical stuff, but it talks about social services and offering 365 00:24:26.410 --> 00:24:30.089 certain resources and things to meet their needs. And you know, we certainly 366 00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:33.210 fit right in that category. In this it talks about social services, it 367 00:24:33.289 --> 00:24:38.720 talks about shelters, homeless shelters and things like that. Talks about helping those 368 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:45.119 who are at disadvantage, otherwise needy, is what it's economically disadvantaged individuals, 369 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:51.039 and those are the bulk of the people who really they're there for an abortion 370 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:56.430 and they are there and often choose life when they meet with us, because 371 00:24:56.990 --> 00:25:03.869 the services, the human services that we are offering are helping these economically disadvantaged 372 00:25:03.910 --> 00:25:07.099 individuals. Yeah, so you know kind of what we're doing, guys, 373 00:25:07.099 --> 00:25:11.660 is you just going through this, this order, and we're saying that we're 374 00:25:11.660 --> 00:25:18.140 in compliance with this thing. This thing is laid out with some pretty clear 375 00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:22.849 exceptions, some pretty clear definitions of what's essential, and the mobile unit certainly 376 00:25:22.849 --> 00:25:26.609 does. And then we as a ministry fit into this criteria. I mean 377 00:25:26.650 --> 00:25:30.809 we believe if the abortion clinic is open and it's considered an essential service, 378 00:25:30.970 --> 00:25:36.559 then for us to be there and offer those women a choice is also essential. 379 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:37.920 Yeah, and you know, of course, that's from our perspective, 380 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:42.359 but from the perspective of this stayathome order as it's laid out here, we 381 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.200 were essential. Exactly. Here's what goes on to say. It says, 382 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:51.670 and this is talking about essential businesses and operations, so it's naming out some 383 00:25:51.750 --> 00:25:56.430 essential businesses and operations and, and this is one of the categories. Of 384 00:25:56.509 --> 00:26:00.869 course, it talks about groceries and medicine and food and beverage and agriculture. 385 00:26:00.109 --> 00:26:04.900 When it says organizations that provide charitable and social services. M So it says, 386 00:26:04.940 --> 00:26:10.460 businesses and religious and secular nonprofit organizations, including food banks, when providing 387 00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:15.660 food, shelter and social services and other necessities of life for economically disadvantage or 388 00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:19.650 otherwise needy individuals. I mean, that's exactly what do, what we do, 389 00:26:21.730 --> 00:26:23.130 because, you know, we plug these listen, we have a list 390 00:26:23.170 --> 00:26:27.170 of these services, we have a list of these food panchers. Yeah, 391 00:26:27.210 --> 00:26:33.039 but we also have our own ministry that we provide baby clothes and baby items, 392 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:36.440 diapers and all those things. So any when people need those things in 393 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.119 the midst of a pandemic like this, right, and they very much doubt, 394 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.680 very much so. And and you know, we fit where charitable, 395 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:49.670 we're nonprofit. We provide the social necessity of life for needy individuals. Yeah, 396 00:26:49.750 --> 00:26:52.630 yeah, no doubt about it. And of course, again, we 397 00:26:52.750 --> 00:26:59.829 provide those babies of voice. So we're essential so that those babies that are 398 00:26:59.869 --> 00:27:03.900 in the womb, but also those women would would have a choice. Yeah, 399 00:27:03.940 --> 00:27:07.539 because otherwise the abortion clinic does not offer a choice. They're not going 400 00:27:07.579 --> 00:27:08.779 to help them, they're not going to help meet the needs that they have, 401 00:27:08.900 --> 00:27:12.579 they're not going to plug them into you know, organizations and ministries that 402 00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:15.490 can help meet their needs. You know, what is there for profit? 403 00:27:15.569 --> 00:27:21.210 There their business. Yeah, and, and I think a couple that came 404 00:27:21.369 --> 00:27:25.089 on on Saturday illustrates this point so well. There was one of them had 405 00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:30.079 had for abortion, yeah, and and what she talked about was that she 406 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.079 kept having abortion after abortion after abortion, because she would get the abortion, 407 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:40.759 but the abortion center didn't provide the the services that she needed or the recommendations 408 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.549 or the resources or the anything that counseling, anything that might lead to her 409 00:27:45.710 --> 00:27:52.750 not ever returning for another abortion, for another abortion. But that's what we 410 00:27:52.109 --> 00:27:56.670 do, right, that's what we do so that they don't have to keep 411 00:27:56.750 --> 00:28:00.900 coming back or feel that they have to keep coming back for abortion after abortion 412 00:28:00.980 --> 00:28:03.299 and abortion. But she specifically said, from the little ride up that you 413 00:28:03.339 --> 00:28:06.460 showed me, that, yeah, you know, if someone would have been 414 00:28:06.619 --> 00:28:08.420 here, yeah, saying what you guys were saying, an oftrom and what 415 00:28:08.500 --> 00:28:11.779 you guys were offering, that I likely wouldn't have gonement. You would have 416 00:28:11.859 --> 00:28:15.730 made another choice, she thought. And and that's why we're there. Yeah, 417 00:28:17.009 --> 00:28:19.650 again. What does that say? That that speaks to the essential nature 418 00:28:19.650 --> 00:28:25.609 of what we're doing. That's right, essential, if your mindset isn't that 419 00:28:26.410 --> 00:28:30.920 killing the baby is the way to deal with the struggles, yeah, that 420 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:37.000 an unexpected pregnancy brings. Yeah, and and that mindset we categorically reject. 421 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.349 We believe that that there is never a valid reason for taking an innocent human 422 00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:47.190 life and therefore that's why we're there, speaking from that perspective of and providing 423 00:28:47.230 --> 00:28:52.150 the resources that that is not deemed necessary. Yeah, absolutely, and, 424 00:28:52.269 --> 00:28:56.099 you know, speaking to you, you mentioned and I mentioned, that we 425 00:28:56.180 --> 00:29:00.259 had attorneys that were that we're dealing with with our federal lawsuit, but also 426 00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:03.059 they've drafted up a letter for us. Yeah, as it pertains to this 427 00:29:03.339 --> 00:29:07.940 order. And you know, what we want to do is we want to, 428 00:29:08.099 --> 00:29:12.089 as best we can, abide by any law, any order. We're 429 00:29:12.089 --> 00:29:17.170 not. Listen, as Christians, we shouldn't just be lawless individuals thinking the 430 00:29:17.210 --> 00:29:18.250 government can't tell me what to do. I know I shared with you, 431 00:29:18.369 --> 00:29:22.369 guess you know, on the on the coronavirus podcast, and I'm that kind 432 00:29:22.410 --> 00:29:23.839 of guy where I don't like the government telling me what to do. Stay 433 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.079 out of my business, I'll do what I want. But I'm also a 434 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.039 guy that submitted to the word of God and another word of God tells me 435 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.599 that I should submit to the government. But, as I mentioned earlier, 436 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:38.349 if the government tells me to disobey God, then at that point I can't 437 00:29:38.509 --> 00:29:42.230 obey that and you know, I can respectfully decline to obey that order. 438 00:29:42.750 --> 00:29:48.549 But the Bible tells us very clearly. Proverbs thirty one versus eight nine probably 439 00:29:48.589 --> 00:29:52.859 quoted. It most quoted scripture that we quote as a ministry. Open your 440 00:29:52.900 --> 00:29:56.980 mouth for the speeches, for think in the case of all who are appointed 441 00:29:56.019 --> 00:29:59.980 to die, open your mouth, judge righteously, plead the cause of the 442 00:30:00.019 --> 00:30:03.259 pegnity. That is not a suggestion from God, that is a command from 443 00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:07.130 the Lord Right that we've taken very seriously as a ministry, which is why 444 00:30:07.130 --> 00:30:11.609 we do what we do. That's a command from God. And just like 445 00:30:11.730 --> 00:30:15.289 the Apostles John and and Peter when they were told by the Pharisees and the 446 00:30:15.410 --> 00:30:19.329 religious leaders of that day to stop speaking about the name of Jesus, they 447 00:30:19.369 --> 00:30:23.880 didn't just throw off and disregard the the leaders. They said we must have 448 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:26.799 been I mean, you can just to me when I read that scripts. 449 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.440 I can just hear the humility and Peter's Voice. We must obey God rather 450 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.480 than man, it's like we don't have a choice and when the government tells 451 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.269 us we can't be out there. Yeah, and you know, thankfully they've 452 00:30:37.349 --> 00:30:41.710 not told us that. Thankfully here in Charlotte, they've not said you can't 453 00:30:41.710 --> 00:30:45.029 be out here right they've just said and here's certain criteria and we meet those 454 00:30:45.069 --> 00:30:48.750 criteria and two. So we're out there. In Greensboro. It's not not 455 00:30:48.910 --> 00:30:52.740 like that, though. They've been told expressly you can't be out here right 456 00:30:52.740 --> 00:30:55.220 now. I'll watch one of the videos. Is got a funny I watch 457 00:30:55.299 --> 00:31:00.059 one of the videos of love life and in the midst of them being arrested 458 00:31:00.140 --> 00:31:03.410 and you can see a bicycler walking his bike right by there and the police 459 00:31:03.410 --> 00:31:07.769 aren't saying anything to yeah, they're they're not doing anything more than he's doing. 460 00:31:08.009 --> 00:31:12.289 You know, they're at the same location. But it's basically they're targeted 461 00:31:12.410 --> 00:31:18.569 because they are known to be opposed to abortion. That's like, that's that's 462 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.799 scary. Yeah, scary stuff. Yeah, yeah, and so, you 463 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.960 know, as a as those who want to honor God and those who want 464 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.319 to do what's right, what's it? You know, you know, I 465 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.109 want to ask you this question and I've asked myself this question. How's it 466 00:31:34.230 --> 00:31:37.309 going to be if they start to do that here in Charlotte, they start 467 00:31:37.349 --> 00:31:41.109 to say, Hey, R I guess can't be out here, even though 468 00:31:41.150 --> 00:31:44.589 we know we're in we're in accordance with this thing. We have lawyers that 469 00:31:44.670 --> 00:31:47.029 have looked at this thing. How's IT GOING TO BE? What do we 470 00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:49.500 how we're going to handle this thing and we still honor God and remain out 471 00:31:49.539 --> 00:31:55.900 there? And I've honestly had quite a few sleepless nights wrestling with that and 472 00:31:56.059 --> 00:32:04.250 thinking about that, because my strong conviction, based on careful study of scripture, 473 00:32:04.930 --> 00:32:10.089 is that we are commanded to be there and I know I specifically have 474 00:32:10.329 --> 00:32:15.960 been called to be out on that sidewalk and I also know that I am 475 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:22.279 abiding to the letter and even the spirit of of what is written in these 476 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:30.269 stayathome ordinances. So I must obey God. Yeah, and how will that 477 00:32:30.430 --> 00:32:35.230 play out? Will See, I guess you never know to you're in that 478 00:32:35.390 --> 00:32:37.390 situation. Yeah, I know. You know one of the concerns that I 479 00:32:37.470 --> 00:32:40.789 have. You know the past. So this thing for us and Mecklenburg County 480 00:32:40.829 --> 00:32:45.140 came into effect Thursday of last week. Yeah, we have a state or 481 00:32:45.299 --> 00:32:49.019 order that I mentioned earlier, this is going to come into effect today at 482 00:32:49.059 --> 00:32:52.980 five, actually here in just a little bit, but get out of her 483 00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:58.650 quick yeah, but you know, with what happened in Greensborough, I'm hoping 484 00:32:58.690 --> 00:33:01.329 this is not going to embolden our local authorities. But also, you know, 485 00:33:01.450 --> 00:33:05.730 we have a city council that is not favorable to us. They've tried 486 00:33:05.769 --> 00:33:08.410 to attack, you know, every area of speech that we employ, right 487 00:33:08.569 --> 00:33:13.519 and there's been one of the city council leaders, Julie Eisolt here in Charlotte, 488 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:15.000 that has been very vocal and said, you know, the police need 489 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.599 to shut this thing down. She was doing that last Saturday. She's, 490 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.000 you know, apparently good friends with some of the pro abortion people that stand 491 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.440 out there and oppose us and and probably good friends with the abortion clinic owners 492 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:30.109 and stuff too. And you know, I'm just I'm concerned that the pressure 493 00:33:30.150 --> 00:33:34.029 that she's going to put is going to almost force the hand of cmpd to 494 00:33:34.670 --> 00:33:37.589 do something similar to what Greensboro did. Right, and you know, I 495 00:33:37.670 --> 00:33:39.470 have to ask myself. Listen, I'm a man with eight kids, a 496 00:33:39.670 --> 00:33:44.180 wife and kids, and yeah, I certainly don't want to be locked up, 497 00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:45.660 I don't want to be. You know, I don't have the money 498 00:33:45.819 --> 00:33:51.740 just to throw away on lawyers and and legal fees and and pay in citations 499 00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:53.180 or whatever. So how am I going to handle this thing? What, 500 00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:59.809 before God, how can i? How can I honor him and and do 501 00:34:00.009 --> 00:34:04.609 what I'm called to do and not get to jail? So we're doing our 502 00:34:04.650 --> 00:34:07.690 best. We have carefully read the entire both of us have read the entire 503 00:34:07.690 --> 00:34:13.639 ordinance. We have spoken with their lawyers and our lawyers have drafted this letter 504 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:19.760 and we are abiding by what we believe is our civic duty, yeah, 505 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:24.630 as well as our moral and God given duty. Yeah, yeah. So, 506 00:34:24.869 --> 00:34:29.550 so what did the lawyers say? Basically, what's what's the bottom line 507 00:34:29.550 --> 00:34:32.869 of their justification life? I mean, so the bottom line is some of 508 00:34:32.909 --> 00:34:37.070 the things that we've already gone through. Yeah, you know the reproductive health 509 00:34:37.389 --> 00:34:40.619 thing. You know the fact that if these reproductive health care, these abortion 510 00:34:40.659 --> 00:34:45.940 clinics can remain open, and what we're doing as a charitable you know, 511 00:34:45.019 --> 00:34:50.179 because there's a name about the organizations are provide charitable and social services. What 512 00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:52.050 we're doing is we'll reach in the people that are going in there with these 513 00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:57.730 charitable and social services. They also mentioned which I'm very thankful for about how 514 00:34:57.849 --> 00:35:00.809 we were there proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ and advocating for life. And 515 00:35:00.889 --> 00:35:06.369 so they talk about the outdoor provision. You can be outdoors and you can 516 00:35:06.409 --> 00:35:10.519 do outdoor activities, outdoor activities like walking and running. That's what we're doing 517 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.800 on the sidewalk. We're walking. Yeah, not running, we're walking. 518 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:16.960 Would just used to do that in front of the abortion Clin, that strip 519 00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.280 a sidewalk there in front of the abortion Clin. In fact, I have 520 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.550 a HEALTHAPP on my phone. Yeah, and Saturday while I was ministering to 521 00:35:24.909 --> 00:35:29.949 the women who stopped to talk with me, I put in five miles on 522 00:35:30.070 --> 00:35:32.630 my wow, I know, amazing. So you're you're getting your outdoor activity. 523 00:35:32.670 --> 00:35:37.059 It's getting my outdoor activity while sharing the Gospel and, yeah, and 524 00:35:37.219 --> 00:35:39.300 the hope and help of many resources. Yeah, so, I mean that's 525 00:35:39.340 --> 00:35:43.019 what they're their siding. Course, they talk about the mobile unit and they 526 00:35:43.059 --> 00:35:49.539 talk about it offering rep productive healthcare. Then they talk about which I told 527 00:35:49.619 --> 00:35:52.090 them, you know, hey, listen, guys, we're checking all the 528 00:35:52.130 --> 00:35:53.610 boxes, we're doing all the CDC stuff, and they talked about that. 529 00:35:53.730 --> 00:35:58.730 How these these folks are abiding by these social distancing requirements. And so, 530 00:35:59.130 --> 00:36:01.130 you know, reason why I wanted to do this podcast really is to let 531 00:36:01.170 --> 00:36:05.760 folks know who might be concerned, and rightly so. You know, you 532 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.480 guys just being reckless? Are you just out there because you feel like you 533 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.079 got a bone to pick with the city of Charlotte? You feel like you 534 00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:15.280 know you're some social justice warrior that you know got to fight the powers that 535 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:19.389 be? No, in no way. We're out there because those babies don't 536 00:36:19.429 --> 00:36:22.070 have a voice. We're out there because God calls us to be out there 537 00:36:22.469 --> 00:36:25.230 and we're doing everything that we can, shy of not being on the sidewalk, 538 00:36:25.309 --> 00:36:29.389 doing everything that we can, yeah, to not be a part of 539 00:36:29.630 --> 00:36:32.179 the problem of spreading this virus. We get it, it's a problem. 540 00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:37.940 We're not making light of it at all, but we also have a mandate 541 00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:43.019 from the Lord that we are committed to yeah, and before God, I 542 00:36:43.179 --> 00:36:46.329 can't good conscience, stay home right. I don't know if I don't believe 543 00:36:46.449 --> 00:36:50.650 we have talked about this on any of other other podcasts and I really think 544 00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:52.889 it. It's actually pretty funny, but I think it's important to talk about 545 00:36:53.170 --> 00:37:00.090 when we arrived at the sidewalk yeah, on Thursday morning's a wonderful site matter. 546 00:37:00.130 --> 00:37:02.719 Right. So we're coming, Daniel and I thinking, well, I 547 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.000 told my husband, you may have to bail me out to this is when 548 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.159 they say at home, orderhead. That's correct. There's them. That's correct. 549 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.119 So I said, I don't know what I'm going to do. I 550 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.230 won't know till I'm in this situation. Pretty sure Daniel's going to be in 551 00:37:15.230 --> 00:37:20.469 jail and I know going and I m I. So, you know, 552 00:37:20.670 --> 00:37:23.110 be prepared. You know you might be eating dinner alone. But so we 553 00:37:23.469 --> 00:37:27.349 come to the sidewalk and and what do we see? Yeah, so, 554 00:37:28.670 --> 00:37:30.659 as I told you, and I put it on Facebook, this is one 555 00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:32.340 of the most encouraging things I say in a long time. The pro abortion 556 00:37:32.380 --> 00:37:37.659 people had taken the liberty to ride on the sidewalk and name us in particular. 557 00:37:37.699 --> 00:37:40.820 See, for Al they named John Fifty three, which is the the 558 00:37:40.900 --> 00:37:45.369 woman called an adultery, and it says, you know, Jesus said he's 559 00:37:45.409 --> 00:37:49.449 without seeing cast the first stone. And then it says they all went home, 560 00:37:49.650 --> 00:37:52.849 the exact first that they put said. Then they all went home and 561 00:37:52.929 --> 00:37:55.690 we kind of laughed with that's a pretty good bad and they all went home. 562 00:37:57.210 --> 00:37:59.039 Well, of course, if you read on in the context, it 563 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.239 tells us Jesus didn't go home. He actually stayed in tall in the temple. 564 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:06.800 But another piece of their sidewalk art said Jesus would have stayed home. 565 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:08.280 Right, Jesus would have stayed home. And and of course, you know 566 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:14.670 that brings to mind. The scripture tells us that he left his glorious abode 567 00:38:14.949 --> 00:38:16.869 to come to this place and he took on the form of a man. 568 00:38:16.909 --> 00:38:21.989 Yeah, so that he could save US wretches. You know, Jesus didn't 569 00:38:22.070 --> 00:38:24.989 stay home, he left. That plays even three verses later. So John 570 00:38:25.110 --> 00:38:29.699 Eight versus one to two. It's right that the next verse, Uh Huh, 571 00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:35.940 but Jesus, but Jesus, but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 572 00:38:35.980 --> 00:38:38.900 Uh Huh. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where 573 00:38:38.900 --> 00:38:44.050 all the people gathered around him and he sat down to teach them to yeah, 574 00:38:44.050 --> 00:38:46.010 Jesus didn't even go home. And what they say? Yeah, that's 575 00:38:46.130 --> 00:38:51.289 and, which is really funny. But I said that's encouraging because they knew 576 00:38:52.010 --> 00:38:53.610 that, in spite of that order, that we would be out there. 577 00:38:53.650 --> 00:38:55.480 They were not there, by the way. They were not. They were 578 00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:59.239 not not a thankfully they've not been. And actually, you know, I 579 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.639 don't know if I shared this with you, I'll share it now. Okay, 580 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:05.599 they put out on their social media that they plan on shutting down their 581 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.760 operations completely until this thing passed. So you know what it's got. Yeah, 582 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:10.869 praise the Lord. I'm glad not to have him out there, but 583 00:39:10.949 --> 00:39:15.829 I'm glad for the encouragement that they gave that we have established, you know, 584 00:39:15.909 --> 00:39:19.030 by God's grace, we've established our character in such a way that there 585 00:39:19.110 --> 00:39:22.349 was no doubt in their mind right that we would be out there last sidewalk. 586 00:39:22.389 --> 00:39:24.739 They knew that as long as that abortion clinic was open, that cities 587 00:39:24.739 --> 00:39:28.260 for life, that our folks were going to be out there on that sidewalk. 588 00:39:28.300 --> 00:39:30.300 And you know about God's grace. That's what we intend to do again, 589 00:39:30.539 --> 00:39:34.579 not just to be lawless, not because we feel like we have this 590 00:39:34.659 --> 00:39:37.099 bone to pick with the city or we going to fight the powers that be. 591 00:39:37.500 --> 00:39:40.170 Our calling is not to fight the powers that be. Our calling is 592 00:39:40.250 --> 00:39:44.889 to submit to the power. That is how you like that? That's good. 593 00:39:45.010 --> 00:39:47.650 Yeah, and we submit to the Lord Jesus and to his rule and 594 00:39:47.730 --> 00:39:53.079 his reign because he's the Lord, because he is God, and we're not 595 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:57.239 just going to say Lord, Lord, we're going to really do what he 596 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.880 says. And what does he say? Take up our cross, follow him. 597 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.400 What does he say? Love your neighbor as yourself. Whatever you've done 598 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.269 the least of these, you've done it. Unto me. Yeah, proverbs 599 00:40:07.349 --> 00:40:10.949 thirty one, eight nine, open your mouth for the speechless. That's what 600 00:40:12.190 --> 00:40:15.389 we intend to do, by God's great so I want to encourage you guys 601 00:40:15.429 --> 00:40:17.469 who are listening, please pray for us as a ministry. You know, 602 00:40:19.710 --> 00:40:23.260 listen, this is the difficult time for everybody. I do not envy the 603 00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:29.219 stuff that pastors have to deal with and making decisions about their congreg congregations not 604 00:40:29.340 --> 00:40:32.139 meeting. I don't envy what government officials the decisions they have to make. 605 00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:36.570 I don't envy the police department, some of those police officers that made the 606 00:40:36.730 --> 00:40:39.409 rest of our friends love life. I'm sure some of them were believers and 607 00:40:39.530 --> 00:40:43.369 probably didn't want to do that but felt like they had to. I don't 608 00:40:43.369 --> 00:40:47.329 envy their position at all. But we're all in a difficult position. We're 609 00:40:47.329 --> 00:40:51.639 all in a circumstance where we have to make difficult decisions, and so just 610 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.440 pray for us as a ministry, if you think about it, because, 611 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:58.920 listen, babies are thought still dying. We're still called to be out there 612 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.880 and listen, we're seeing. We saw four baby saved on Saturday, Saturday. 613 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.309 Yeah, God is doing amazing things in spite of this, and the 614 00:41:06.429 --> 00:41:09.789 and Daddy. Evening after those four babies were saved, one of them I 615 00:41:09.869 --> 00:41:15.070 had the privilege of counseling on on the RV. Yeah, and that evening 616 00:41:15.190 --> 00:41:19.500 I got a text from her. This was a woman who is strongly abortion 617 00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:23.500 minded and and I got a text from her that evening that said, thank 618 00:41:23.539 --> 00:41:28.179 you for saving my child. Yeah, and I loved that she used the 619 00:41:28.260 --> 00:41:31.820 word child, because that humanized instantly. No longer was it just this clump. 620 00:41:31.860 --> 00:41:37.170 Yeah, this was her child and she was going to do anything from 621 00:41:37.170 --> 00:41:39.170 that point forward to protect that baby. And if we hadn't been there, 622 00:41:39.969 --> 00:41:44.690 that would be a very different to you. I'm story so amazing what the 623 00:41:44.730 --> 00:41:47.599 Lord will do if we just show her, show up and make ourselves available 624 00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:51.559 to be used by him so he man be. Can pray for us as 625 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.039 a ministry, as we always do. We want to refer you to our 626 00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:58.880 sidewalks for life website sidewalks the number four and lifecom. Maybe we should do 627 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.869 an article about serving God in the midst of a pandemic or some don't know, 628 00:42:01.949 --> 00:42:06.150 maybe we will. We put articles out on regular basis. Mostly Vicki 629 00:42:06.190 --> 00:42:08.070 writes those because she's a rider and it takes me like four months to write 630 00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:14.030 one sentence. But anyway. So when I refer you that website, certainly 631 00:42:14.030 --> 00:42:16.019 reach out to me. D Parks at cities for lifecom. Reach out to 632 00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:19.980 Vicki, v COSSI OREGET CITIES FOR LIFECOM. We'd love to hear from some 633 00:42:20.059 --> 00:42:22.420 of your feedback. Please share this podcast with your friends and family. But 634 00:42:22.539 --> 00:42:35.570 until next time, God bless give me our love for love, give me 635 00:42:36.329 --> 00:42:47.559 our loft for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's 636 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:51.320 too precious, and some that you