Ministering To Fathers

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.710 Lord, I am yours. I welcome to the Gospel Center prayer life 3 00:00:10.750 --> 00:00:13.910 podcast. This episode we're going to talk about how to Minister to Father's at 4 00:00:13.949 --> 00:00:16.870 the abortion center, how to encourage them to go in and get their girlfriend 5 00:00:16.870 --> 00:00:19.789 out of there so that their babies life can be saved. Stay tuned. 6 00:00:20.149 --> 00:00:31.820 Me, Lord, I felt show Passish, touch your heart. Use. 7 00:00:34.539 --> 00:00:38.929 Welcome to the Gospel centered prayer life podcast. We appreciate you guys listening as 8 00:00:39.049 --> 00:00:44.250 always, and we would appreciate, as always, if you guys would share 9 00:00:44.289 --> 00:00:47.570 this podcast with other people. 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But yeah, we well, listen, we prepare, we produce 20 00:01:26.540 --> 00:01:30.379 these pods cast to be a blessing to you, to train and to equip 21 00:01:30.500 --> 00:01:36.730 you. And really what we do is we screw up, we learn from 22 00:01:36.769 --> 00:01:38.689 our screw ups, MMM, and we try to teach you not to screw 23 00:01:38.689 --> 00:01:42.930 up like we did. That's right. So that's what this thing is all 24 00:01:42.969 --> 00:01:47.280 about. So learning from you can learn from our mistakes. You know what 25 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:51.239 we they say a wise man learns from his mistakes, right, but I 26 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:55.840 think it even wiser man learns from other people's mistakes. Yeah, think about 27 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:57.439 it. It's rare. It is. I see it's rare. We often 28 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.200 want to just make our own mistakes. Yeah, you ever notice that? 29 00:02:00.469 --> 00:02:04.230 I did notice that. I've noticed that my own life. But by God's 30 00:02:04.269 --> 00:02:07.269 grace, you guys get to benefit from our mistakes and us, by God's 31 00:02:07.310 --> 00:02:09.629 grace, learning from those mistakes. We're not going to be talking about making 32 00:02:09.710 --> 00:02:14.229 mistakes here, although we'll probably make a few as we get through this podcast 33 00:02:14.349 --> 00:02:17.020 and I have to edit them out so they'll never know, you'll never know, 34 00:02:17.500 --> 00:02:21.939 but we do make mistakes, but we're going to jump into the subject 35 00:02:22.300 --> 00:02:24.939 and probably, I would say, in some context, in some measure, 36 00:02:25.180 --> 00:02:30.129 we've touched on this. We've covered some things that would help you in this 37 00:02:30.289 --> 00:02:35.330 area. But I think we're going to focus in particular on ministering to support 38 00:02:35.370 --> 00:02:38.569 people at the abortion center, that's, people that have come brought their friend, 39 00:02:38.610 --> 00:02:43.810 their girlfriend, family member for an abortion, and particular we're going to 40 00:02:43.849 --> 00:02:47.280 talk about the fathers that are bringing their girlfriends to the abortion center and in 41 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:51.520 particular one of the things we want to touch on, because there's a lot 42 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.199 of ways in which you would minister to a father, for example, pull 43 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:57.680 and into the driveway bringing her. Initially she's in the passenger's seat, he's 44 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.949 in the driver re seat or vice versa. But in particular we're going to 45 00:03:00.990 --> 00:03:05.310 touch on he's pulling out, and we actually did a few weeks ago to 46 00:03:05.509 --> 00:03:09.430 mock sessions in a podcast. The first mock session was me minister to you 47 00:03:09.590 --> 00:03:13.219 as you were a mom going to the abortion center. In the second one 48 00:03:13.340 --> 00:03:15.979 was you ministering to me as I was a dad pulling out. So there's 49 00:03:15.979 --> 00:03:19.900 a little bit of an example, right, but not every you know, 50 00:03:19.979 --> 00:03:23.460 not every conversation is the same. So we're going to talk about some general 51 00:03:23.500 --> 00:03:25.300 principles to do with that, how to minister to these DADS, how to 52 00:03:25.379 --> 00:03:30.250 ministers to support people that. The same principles, I think, apply to 53 00:03:30.370 --> 00:03:35.370 a mother that has brought her daughter to the abortion center and family member or 54 00:03:35.810 --> 00:03:38.050 a friend. We've seen that a lot. So we're going to talk about 55 00:03:38.050 --> 00:03:40.680 that. Yeah, yeah, there are some things definitely that I would say 56 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:45.560 to a dad that I would not say to a different kind of supportions. 57 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:50.199 Yeah, but but this this actually arose because it was a specific question by 58 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.879 one of our sideback missionaries. Hey, I need some help that. She 59 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:58.830 said. This is what she falters in and she sees it all the time 60 00:03:59.550 --> 00:04:03.590 and I thought it was interesting. She said, for example, offering help 61 00:04:04.310 --> 00:04:11.139 to especially the MOMS seems to be very effective. Sure, but she said 62 00:04:11.180 --> 00:04:15.460 she's not finding that to be the case with DAD's. Yeah, and said 63 00:04:15.460 --> 00:04:20.339 I wonder. I wonder if it's because they just it's a Mucho kind of 64 00:04:20.500 --> 00:04:28.129 thing and I was thinking about that. They probably know their failure they have 65 00:04:28.529 --> 00:04:33.689 not supported this woman in some way. Yeah, so that she feels secure 66 00:04:33.730 --> 00:04:38.410 and choosing life. Yeah, and so I think there is an element of 67 00:04:38.569 --> 00:04:41.959 pride when they hear, Hey, we can help you, and maybe Daniel, 68 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:44.240 you know, you're a man. I'm not. So maybe I'm going 69 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.959 to use them. Maybe, maybe I'm wrong about this, but I'm just 70 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:50.319 wondering. Does it is that like a sore spot if you raise that to 71 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:54.110 a man and say hey, we've got help, she doesn't need to do 72 00:04:54.230 --> 00:04:57.990 this, we can help. Is it in does he here? I'm not 73 00:04:58.149 --> 00:05:00.790 helping? Yeah, I mean there's a couple of things going on. And 74 00:05:01.230 --> 00:05:04.949 men that come to an abortion center come with all kinds of mindsets. There's 75 00:05:04.990 --> 00:05:09.379 varying mindsets. You've encountered it, where they don't want to have the abortion 76 00:05:09.899 --> 00:05:14.180 and so they're there. We've even had him come but by themselves. Their 77 00:05:14.220 --> 00:05:15.980 girlfriend came to the abortion center, drove herself there and they come after her 78 00:05:16.259 --> 00:05:18.420 in their own vehicle trying to get her out of there. So we've had 79 00:05:18.500 --> 00:05:21.009 that happy as well. Yeah, and then of course we've had the men 80 00:05:21.129 --> 00:05:26.449 like almost literally dragging the woman into the abortion so and anything in between. 81 00:05:27.250 --> 00:05:30.009 But got understand too, that this is this is a situation in which the 82 00:05:30.129 --> 00:05:34.410 devil has inserted himself right. So there's a lot of confusion, there's a 83 00:05:34.449 --> 00:05:39.759 lot of fear there's a lot of anxiety, there's a lot of just chaos 84 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.680 going on in that situation. So you've got to cut through that as best 85 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:45.639 you can. How you do that? You do that with the truth. 86 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:50.149 But I will say that kind of in a big picture way. We have 87 00:05:50.189 --> 00:05:58.670 to understand as a society in America we have so demeaned manhood and it's been 88 00:05:58.790 --> 00:06:02.029 perverted. Certainly, you know this idea of tossed toxic masculinity or whatever. 89 00:06:02.149 --> 00:06:06.100 That's kind of like a pendulum swing reaction to where it is bad to be 90 00:06:06.180 --> 00:06:10.660 a man now. Used to be it was like you got to be a 91 00:06:10.699 --> 00:06:13.699 rough man, never cry, and that sort of so it's like this pendulum 92 00:06:13.740 --> 00:06:16.819 swing thing, the pendul on the swinging toward just really emasculinating men. Yeah, 93 00:06:16.899 --> 00:06:21.610 there men aren't aren't being men, men aren't encouraged to be men. 94 00:06:21.970 --> 00:06:25.889 A lot of men, especially the ones that we encounter at the abortion center, 95 00:06:25.930 --> 00:06:28.970 don't know what it is to be a man right. So one of 96 00:06:29.009 --> 00:06:30.810 the things that I want to do when I'm talking to a man at the 97 00:06:30.850 --> 00:06:35.399 abortion center is I want to as I gave a couple of weeks ago, 98 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:41.160 I want to put courage into him. What is if he was courageous, 99 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:45.800 if he had courage and he truly because I've encountered men who would say, 100 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:48.189 and I believe them, I don't want her to have the abortion, but 101 00:06:48.350 --> 00:06:51.670 you drove her here right. You know, what does that say? What 102 00:06:51.829 --> 00:06:57.029 says to me He's a coward. Yeah, he won't stand up and he 103 00:06:57.189 --> 00:07:00.589 won't stand for righteousness and he won't stand for his child. He's I may 104 00:07:00.629 --> 00:07:03.180 have had men literally weeping, and I believe that their tears are genuine, 105 00:07:03.500 --> 00:07:08.180 in front of the abortion center, in their vehicle on the way out or 106 00:07:08.220 --> 00:07:11.139 whatever. Yeah, balling their eyes out because they don't want to have the 107 00:07:11.180 --> 00:07:14.540 abortion. And yet they drove her there. And I asked them, why 108 00:07:14.540 --> 00:07:16.529 did you drive her here? Well, I didn't feel I hid any other 109 00:07:16.529 --> 00:07:19.449 choice. I mean, it's her decision, her, you know, she's 110 00:07:19.490 --> 00:07:21.610 got to deal with the pregnancy and all this other stuff. And I'm like, 111 00:07:21.730 --> 00:07:26.889 listen, you're a man, God has given you charge and this is 112 00:07:27.170 --> 00:07:29.689 kind of me giving you guys. Here's what I would say to him and 113 00:07:29.769 --> 00:07:31.639 and it depends. I'll try to read the situation best I can based on 114 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:34.839 the interactions with this guy, but I want to put courage into him and 115 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:39.079 I don't just want to say you're a coward, which I think can be 116 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:43.920 said and can be effective given the right context timing with that. But I 117 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.709 really want to put courage into him. And so if I have a brief 118 00:07:46.990 --> 00:07:49.750 conversation with a man who's dropped his girlfriend off at the abortion center, he's 119 00:07:49.790 --> 00:07:54.509 pulling out and he's balling his eyes out, or he's, you know, 120 00:07:54.870 --> 00:07:58.350 glazed of whatever, you know, whatever's going on. Yeah, I want 121 00:07:58.350 --> 00:08:01.939 to speak courage into him. Yeah, I want to give him courage to 122 00:08:01.060 --> 00:08:05.620 say, not only should you, but you can go in there and get 123 00:08:05.740 --> 00:08:07.740 out. So I'm going to give my opinion. You should do this, 124 00:08:09.339 --> 00:08:11.300 but I want to empower him to know that you can listen, you can 125 00:08:11.420 --> 00:08:16.050 walk in that abortion center and you can have this Pamplin in your hand and 126 00:08:16.129 --> 00:08:18.610 you can tell her we don't need to do this. Yeah, so that's 127 00:08:18.649 --> 00:08:22.410 one of your specifics that you're going to tell them. You're literally given the 128 00:08:22.490 --> 00:08:26.480 plan of Action. You can go in there, you can have the pamphlet, 129 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.360 you can tell her you don't need to do this. Yeah, and 130 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:37.360 I want to use words that really affirm biblical manhood, HMM, like protect. 131 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:39.320 You can go in there, and you can protect your child, right, 132 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.389 yeah, you can support her and carrying this pregnancy. You can, 133 00:08:43.509 --> 00:08:46.990 I'll use the word, you can be a hero. I'll use that word. 134 00:08:48.110 --> 00:08:50.629 That, I think is one of the most effective positive statements you can 135 00:08:50.669 --> 00:08:54.029 make, because we all want to be heroes, we do. You can 136 00:08:54.070 --> 00:08:58.500 save a child's life. Is another thing along along those lines. You can 137 00:08:58.539 --> 00:09:01.379 save your baby's life. You can be a hero to that woman. Now 138 00:09:01.500 --> 00:09:07.539 to the into now, I do think that, especially for women speaking to 139 00:09:07.700 --> 00:09:11.850 men, that whole what I just talked about the whole kind of societal thing 140 00:09:13.049 --> 00:09:18.450 of really making manhood just a terrible thing and kind of just deflated men, 141 00:09:18.649 --> 00:09:22.250 and even TV shows make men look just like a bunch of googers and all 142 00:09:22.289 --> 00:09:26.240 this other stuff. And so, with that being kind of in society and 143 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.200 kind of what a lot of our men have been brought up and trained with 144 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.799 it, manhood is just been perverted to be something it's not and manhood is 145 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.519 terrible and wrong or whatever. You have to be careful as a woman speaking 146 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.149 into that. I mean, how are you, as a woman, going 147 00:09:41.230 --> 00:09:43.389 to put courage in him to be a man? You don't know what I 148 00:09:43.470 --> 00:09:45.629 has to be a man, right, right, but there are things that 149 00:09:45.710 --> 00:09:48.950 you can say. Well, I will tell you, just from a woman's 150 00:09:48.029 --> 00:09:52.220 perspective, is sometimes the tactic that I will take. It is I will 151 00:09:52.340 --> 00:09:56.220 say, you know, I am a woman. I know that it would 152 00:09:56.299 --> 00:10:01.299 mean the world to me if I was in this situation and my boyfriend or 153 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:05.100 husband said, honey, we can do this together. Yet I will take 154 00:10:05.139 --> 00:10:09.649 care of you, I will watch over your baby, our baby, and 155 00:10:09.970 --> 00:10:13.210 that I will do whatever it takes. That that I am just waiting for 156 00:10:13.370 --> 00:10:18.049 a man to be strong and to do what God would have him do. 157 00:10:18.370 --> 00:10:22.120 Yeah, so I think, speaking from from I'm a woman, this is 158 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.200 maybe what she is waiting to hear. Yea, I will say that and 159 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.879 I think that is maybe better received than me. Certainly I wouldn't say I 160 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:37.070 actually don't ever say you are a coward. I think that that never goes 161 00:10:37.230 --> 00:10:39.429 well coming kind of name calling there. Yeah, I mean there is. 162 00:10:41.149 --> 00:10:45.029 I've seen God use that, but just because God would use something doesn't necessarily 163 00:10:45.070 --> 00:10:48.470 mean that we should do it like God's mercifully uses. He uses donkeys. 164 00:10:48.629 --> 00:10:50.100 Is that the best? We don't get riding donkeys to the abortion right. 165 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:56.059 Use the donkey to speak to a to Balim right. Well, taken donkeys 166 00:10:56.059 --> 00:11:01.059 to the abortion clinic. But my point is, though, is well, 167 00:11:01.620 --> 00:11:05.450 the main point is in any of these conversations is we've got to be led 168 00:11:05.490 --> 00:11:09.409 by the Holy Spirit. Right, so the Holy Spirit in the moment could 169 00:11:09.529 --> 00:11:13.490 call a man to the carpet and basically point him out as a coward. 170 00:11:13.570 --> 00:11:16.649 One man who actually did choose life or went in and got his girlfriend out. 171 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:22.679 One of our counselors on our last episode, the hundredth episode, shared 172 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:24.919 that testimony, yeah, that that man went in there and told her that 173 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.000 he had believe that that was the testimony of Kathleen shared. Maybe, just 174 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.399 maybe, as you were sharing that. Don't yeah, but basically the man 175 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.429 went in told her that we have a family emergency, that got the girl 176 00:11:35.470 --> 00:11:37.389 out. We reason why he did that as because the guy who he wasn't 177 00:11:37.389 --> 00:11:39.870 a love life, cour cities for Life Guy. He was kind of an 178 00:11:39.909 --> 00:11:43.549 independent guy out there by himself. Great Dude, but he called the Guy 179 00:11:43.629 --> 00:11:46.379 Coward. Okay, now, don't think that part of the story did come 180 00:11:46.379 --> 00:11:48.899 out on our back. Not come okay. So that's in. That's what 181 00:11:50.059 --> 00:11:52.659 happened. So he said you're if you're going to allow them to kill your 182 00:11:52.700 --> 00:11:56.539 child, you're a coward, and he said when he got on the mobile 183 00:11:56.580 --> 00:12:00.580 unit. That was part of what got him to go in and get her 184 00:12:00.620 --> 00:12:03.129 out of there, is the fact that he said, you know what I 185 00:12:03.289 --> 00:12:05.730 was thinking about that? That guy said that I'm a coward because I'm not 186 00:12:05.809 --> 00:12:09.490 standing up for my baby, and he's right, yeah, and so he 187 00:12:09.610 --> 00:12:13.169 went in there and got her out. Baby was saved, amazing again, 188 00:12:13.330 --> 00:12:16.639 just because God used that. I don't think it means that we go out 189 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:22.559 on the sidewalk and just constantly calling people cowards. Right. However, biblically 190 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.639 speaking, revelation chapter twenty one, Verse Eight Talks About Cowards. All cowards 191 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.549 will find their part in the lake of fire. Leads out this kind a 192 00:12:30.629 --> 00:12:35.309 list of sins and things that God's going to judge, and being cowardly is 193 00:12:35.309 --> 00:12:39.870 one of those things. So there can be a context for that. If, 194 00:12:39.149 --> 00:12:43.590 specifically the Holy Spirit leads you to that, I think you might could 195 00:12:43.629 --> 00:12:46.899 say that, but I think it's better to lay out a case first and 196 00:12:48.019 --> 00:12:50.580 let them come to the conclusion that they're being a coward, Ram just telling 197 00:12:50.659 --> 00:12:52.980 them, Hey, you're a coward, yeah, and so you can say 198 00:12:54.179 --> 00:12:56.019 things. There are two ways you can go at that. You can, 199 00:12:56.179 --> 00:13:00.330 you know, be laying out the case where it's just painfully obvious they're a 200 00:13:00.409 --> 00:13:03.929 coward. You can go at it from the positive approach and if they're not 201 00:13:05.009 --> 00:13:09.850 too thick headed or hardhearted, this can sometimes be effective, where you are 202 00:13:09.889 --> 00:13:15.480 laying out what a courageous man looks like. Yeah, and are are they? 203 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.080 They will figure out on their own. Do I measure up or not? 204 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:22.480 Right, yeah, you know. Are you using your strength to protect 205 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.590 RHYMAN and and babies? Have you told her you will do everything you can 206 00:13:26.669 --> 00:13:31.950 in your power to help her? So, so those sort of statements, 207 00:13:31.990 --> 00:13:35.309 I think, can be really, really effective. Yeah, and easier, 208 00:13:35.389 --> 00:13:39.950 I think, for a woman. I will say I tend to personally be 209 00:13:41.820 --> 00:13:48.220 harsher with a man leaving, especially if they're leaving the woman in the abortion 210 00:13:48.340 --> 00:13:52.460 center. Yeah, then I am with a woman, right or wrong. 211 00:13:52.539 --> 00:13:56.169 I don't know if that's right or wrong, but that's just my natural inclination. 212 00:13:56.850 --> 00:14:05.450 Is they are. They're just letting this happen and they will be called 213 00:14:05.529 --> 00:14:07.330 to account before God, and that's one of the things I will say. 214 00:14:07.370 --> 00:14:13.039 Yeah, I will talk about what do you think Jesus would have you do, 215 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:18.679 and what do you do with the verses where where Jesus says we will 216 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.600 be called to account for every action that we've done, both good and an 217 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:26.230 evil. Yeah, well, what do you think will be his opinion of 218 00:14:26.710 --> 00:14:31.070 this action? And have you done everything possible? Yeah, while that baby 219 00:14:31.149 --> 00:14:35.309 is that alive? Like, one of the dynamics that plays out in these 220 00:14:35.429 --> 00:14:39.620 particular scenarios is that the man in this is this is more often than not 221 00:14:39.740 --> 00:14:43.539 the reaction. It's one of apathy, like not that they don't want her 222 00:14:43.539 --> 00:14:46.500 to have the abortion, that they do wanted to have the abortion. It's 223 00:14:46.539 --> 00:14:48.100 just more like, well, it's her thing and whatever, I'm going to 224 00:14:48.139 --> 00:14:52.500 go have profess that. Mctimes, absolutely I think one of the ways that 225 00:14:52.700 --> 00:14:58.409 I think you can break through that apathy in your conversation with them is to 226 00:14:58.490 --> 00:15:05.730 make it personal for them and to imply, or I guess, drop drop 227 00:15:05.850 --> 00:15:09.879 on their lap, the reality, not just imply it, but bring it 228 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:15.159 to the forefront that that baby is their son or daughter. Yes, just 229 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:20.429 not that baby, not just her baby, your baby, but I think 230 00:15:20.509 --> 00:15:26.309 in particular, using the word father, yeah, that you are the father 231 00:15:26.149 --> 00:15:30.710 of that baby that scheduled to yeah, yeah, that's your son and that's 232 00:15:30.750 --> 00:15:33.509 your daughter and I will just like with the mother's I will call her a 233 00:15:33.629 --> 00:15:35.139 mother, because she is. If she's pregnant, I will call them a 234 00:15:35.220 --> 00:15:39.139 father and then I will talk about so one of the questions I asked do 235 00:15:39.220 --> 00:15:43.500 you have other children? So I ask if do you have any other children? 236 00:15:43.539 --> 00:15:48.220 Do you have? If they share, people are often very open about 237 00:15:48.220 --> 00:15:50.289 it. Yeah, I've got a son. He's such a blessing. Yeah, 238 00:15:50.690 --> 00:15:54.049 and I will talk about. Okay, that you were son. Could 239 00:15:54.049 --> 00:15:58.929 you imagine life without them? Did you? Do you remember when your girlfriend 240 00:16:00.009 --> 00:16:03.879 or your wife, who ever bore that child, was pregnant and the struggle? 241 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.919 It was difficult, right, but it was worth it, right, 242 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:08.679 because you have that child in your life as a blessing. Right. Well, 243 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:12.320 this child that she carries, your son that she carries right now that 244 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.600 you're the father of, is, in the same way, of blessing. 245 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.190 This is your child. So I kind of use what they know to really 246 00:16:19.309 --> 00:16:22.549 bring them into the reality of something they actually don't know, having connected with 247 00:16:22.669 --> 00:16:27.149 and really disconnected them to themselves from yeah, and one of the harssure truths 248 00:16:27.269 --> 00:16:32.070 that you can then continue in that vein is this is what is going to 249 00:16:32.190 --> 00:16:37.139 happen to your son or daughter, do you know right what happens and describe 250 00:16:37.700 --> 00:16:41.419 that your son or your daughter is going to be literally ripped apart limb by 251 00:16:41.460 --> 00:16:47.529 limb. That's, you know, something as if you're encountering apathy. You 252 00:16:47.649 --> 00:16:51.850 kind of it's not said for shock value, but you do want to kind 253 00:16:51.850 --> 00:16:56.529 of shock them into out of that lethargy. Yeah, and into some sort 254 00:16:56.570 --> 00:16:59.529 of action. So one of the things that struck me when you were talking 255 00:16:59.529 --> 00:17:04.480 about using the word coward and then thinking about the apathetic man coming out. 256 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:11.319 Coward is a word that can evoke strong emotions. Should I imagine there's men 257 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.599 that get very angry. Yeah, yeah, I've seen it, so I 258 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.710 know this happens. Yeah, they can get very angry, and maybe that's 259 00:17:18.750 --> 00:17:22.670 a almost a good thing, because at least it's it's moving them out of 260 00:17:22.869 --> 00:17:26.630 just in action. It's a good thing, as long as they don't punch 261 00:17:26.670 --> 00:17:29.869 you in the face. They don't punch you in the face. Yeah, 262 00:17:29.869 --> 00:17:36.940 we got to be careful about trying to keep things from escalating to a point 263 00:17:36.980 --> 00:17:40.900 where anyone is in danger. Yeah, but another done now out of that. 264 00:17:41.180 --> 00:17:45.450 Yeah, let her Chi another donenet dynamic that I see out there which 265 00:17:45.609 --> 00:17:48.529 to me is really just the way the flesh and the devil operate, really 266 00:17:48.569 --> 00:17:53.289 just deceptively, and I know you've heard it thousands of times, where he 267 00:17:53.529 --> 00:17:56.529 pretends, you know, he might stop again in the driveway coming on the 268 00:17:56.609 --> 00:18:02.880 way out and he pretends that really he's sort of apathetic toward the situation. 269 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:04.640 So he might say something to the effect of, well, you know, 270 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.000 I don't want her to have the abortion, but after all it's her body, 271 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.799 her choice, her right or whatever. I'm not doing it. Yeah, 272 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.390 after all, I'm not doing it. It's her doing it right, 273 00:18:14.750 --> 00:18:18.309 and to me that's a really devilish way to handle because if you get then 274 00:18:18.349 --> 00:18:22.549 I've had these situations or these conversations many, many times. I really really 275 00:18:22.589 --> 00:18:26.750 get down to the bottom of it. All he's doing is taking the guilt 276 00:18:26.829 --> 00:18:30.900 that he feels because, after all, he's likely the one that pressured her 277 00:18:30.940 --> 00:18:33.980 to have the abortion. He's likely the one that paid at least some of 278 00:18:33.019 --> 00:18:37.220 the money to have the abortion. So you're trying to make me believe, 279 00:18:37.259 --> 00:18:41.690 young man, that you brought her to the abortions and you drove her here, 280 00:18:41.529 --> 00:18:45.769 you paid the money for her to have the abortion, but you really 281 00:18:47.650 --> 00:18:51.529 it's not your body's not your choice. All you're doing. It's a mechanism 282 00:18:51.609 --> 00:18:53.410 for you to take the guilt that you're your feeling and put it off on 283 00:18:53.490 --> 00:18:56.319 her. And so in those situations that, if I can perceive that's what's 284 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:02.359 going on, I will come down very heavy handedly and I will say God 285 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:04.960 is not deceived by what you're doing. Yeah, yeah, you're taking the 286 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.640 guilt of the thing and you're basically saying my hands are clean because I'm not, 287 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.349 after I'm not the one having the abortion. I want to tell you 288 00:19:11.390 --> 00:19:15.109 your hands are not clean. This is your baby and you need to do 289 00:19:15.309 --> 00:19:18.829 everything you can to get her out of there. Now, you can't drag 290 00:19:18.910 --> 00:19:21.549 her by the hair out of that place, but you need to go in 291 00:19:21.950 --> 00:19:25.019 with this pamphlet in your hand and you need to speak to her and tell 292 00:19:25.019 --> 00:19:27.859 her let's not murder our child. Yeah, that way, and that I'm 293 00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:30.740 still put encourage into him. Yeah, but I'm really being forth right and 294 00:19:30.740 --> 00:19:36.980 I'm really confronting that young man in not his ampathy but his active involvement in 295 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:41.210 the murder of his own chil right. And of course we're a gospel centered 296 00:19:41.529 --> 00:19:47.730 ministry and so whenever it is the right time, which is most of the 297 00:19:47.809 --> 00:19:51.170 time, we give them scripture, you give them the word of God. 298 00:19:51.289 --> 00:19:55.160 What is what does the word say? And one of my favorites when I 299 00:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.480 have someone tell me it's her body, her choice. I'm not the one 300 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.960 murdering, you know I'm it. It's not my issue, it's hers. 301 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:11.309 Is is proverbs twenty four, eleven to twelve. So I'm going to read 302 00:20:11.349 --> 00:20:15.549 that delivered those who are being taken away to death and those who are staggering 303 00:20:15.670 --> 00:20:18.710 to slaughter. Hold them back. If you say, see, we did 304 00:20:18.950 --> 00:20:23.099 not knows know this, does he not consider it? Who weighs the hearts 305 00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:26.859 and does he not know it? Who keeps your soul, and will he 306 00:20:27.059 --> 00:20:32.539 not render to man according to his work? So God perceives it. God 307 00:20:32.740 --> 00:20:37.529 knows what you have done. God knows whether you have done everything in your 308 00:20:37.569 --> 00:20:41.569 power to rescue those being led away to death. Have you done everything in 309 00:20:41.690 --> 00:20:45.410 your power to rescue that child being left way to death? And for you 310 00:20:45.529 --> 00:20:51.480 to say I knew nothing about it, that's just not true. Yeah, 311 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:56.079 God debt that that verse tells you. Does Not he perceive it? Yeah, 312 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.079 who holds the universe in his hand? You're not. You're not fooling 313 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:03.319 God. You are not fooling God, you are just deceiving yourself. Yeah, 314 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.549 and you will be called to account and God does see this. And 315 00:21:07.750 --> 00:21:12.750 and so then telling him you until you have, until that baby's dead, 316 00:21:14.589 --> 00:21:18.549 you should not be fleeing from that place. Yeah, because you could still 317 00:21:18.660 --> 00:21:23.539 influence and change the outcome your son or daughter. Yeah, a couple of 318 00:21:23.619 --> 00:21:27.299 things I want to mention in this vein and when we're talking about the fathers 319 00:21:27.339 --> 00:21:30.660 especially, but any of the support people. Yeah, we've trained, and 320 00:21:30.740 --> 00:21:34.609 if you've gone through our training you know this where we really talk about that 321 00:21:34.890 --> 00:21:41.329 mother is actually the judge, like weird advocate. We're a lawyer back pleading 322 00:21:41.450 --> 00:21:45.289 on behalf of that baby. We're pleading a case like that. That baby 323 00:21:45.450 --> 00:21:48.440 is on trial, even though it he or she has done nothing wrong. 324 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:51.440 That baby's on trial. Yeah, and where that baby's lawyer. And so 325 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:52.880 we use the three talking points, you know, all of that stuff, 326 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.920 as as evidence, right, of why that baby doesn't deserve to die. 327 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:02.029 We're appealing to the judge. That mother is the judge. The abortionist is 328 00:22:02.109 --> 00:22:04.750 not the judge. The abortionist is the executioner in this, in this analogy, 329 00:22:06.349 --> 00:22:08.470 the mother is the judge, and so we're appealing to her. So 330 00:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.990 we use evidence like fetal development, ultrasound. Will use, obviously, what 331 00:22:14.109 --> 00:22:17.460 God says is word, as evidence that this baby doesn't deserve to die. 332 00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:21.339 The resources that are available. You guys know the three talking points, but 333 00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:26.059 we can also call witnesses. Okay, and one of the greatest witnesses to 334 00:22:26.140 --> 00:22:30.970 have up on the stand to help us plead a case to that judge is 335 00:22:32.049 --> 00:22:36.170 the father of the baby. So if you can win him over in a 336 00:22:36.250 --> 00:22:37.730 conversation, this is why we need to be careful. Yes, there are 337 00:22:37.769 --> 00:22:41.690 times we need to confront you guys just heard what I said about confronting cowardice 338 00:22:41.730 --> 00:22:45.279 and all of that other stuff. But we really need to be careful because 339 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.039 if we can build a relationship with him and if we can put courage in 340 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:52.359 him, then we can likely influence the judge. Right, if we can 341 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:56.079 get a pamphlet in his hand and get him to go inside the abortion center 342 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:00.069 and talk to her. What he has to say, and I'll say this 343 00:23:00.230 --> 00:23:04.309 to the men, one sentence from you is worth tenzero words from me right. 344 00:23:04.710 --> 00:23:07.109 As a matter of fact, statistics have kind of bore this out and 345 00:23:07.150 --> 00:23:11.670 there's a statistic flying out around out there and haven't been able to pin out 346 00:23:11.789 --> 00:23:15.140 where it really comes from, but I'm I'm pretty sure it's accurate and it's 347 00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:21.019 basically about ninety percent of the women that have an abortion said eighty to ninety 348 00:23:21.099 --> 00:23:25.180 percent said that if the man would take responsibility for the baby, she wouldn't 349 00:23:25.180 --> 00:23:29.250 have the abortion. So that kind of speaks to the father's involvement in the 350 00:23:29.289 --> 00:23:33.009 abortion decision. Whether he's a pathetic or actively involved, passively involved, whatever, 351 00:23:34.450 --> 00:23:37.410 his voice does matter and if we can win him over as the attorney 352 00:23:37.410 --> 00:23:41.519 for that baby and have him as a witness on our side, yeah, 353 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.960 pleading the case to the judge, it could likely influence the judge. Yeah, 354 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:49.160 and I don't know the exact statistics, but I will say from experience 355 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.640 that is absolutely true. There was a mom on board the RV today that 356 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.589 the father the baby was pressuring her to abort and I said, well, 357 00:23:59.670 --> 00:24:02.750 how did that make you feel? Now she was coming, he wasn't and 358 00:24:02.990 --> 00:24:07.029 he didn't even know she was there. She was coming to abort and she 359 00:24:07.190 --> 00:24:11.500 was determined to abort. But when I said how did that make you feel, 360 00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:15.819 when the father said that the father of the baby and she said bad. 361 00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:19.819 Yeah, it made her feel bad. That's what I hear. Even 362 00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:26.730 for the women who are abortion determined, at the root so often of that 363 00:24:26.930 --> 00:24:32.650 determination is a man has said go kill our child. Yeah, and so 364 00:24:32.769 --> 00:24:37.009 in the way that you phrased it, you were again empowering him. Look 365 00:24:37.089 --> 00:24:41.720 at what an influence you have. You can influence her for good, yeah, 366 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.680 not for evil, not for destruction. Yeah, and so you're feeding 367 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:51.640 courage into him in a very positive way. That influences good. You can 368 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:56.269 influence her. Yeah, in the same way when you're dealing with like parents 369 00:24:56.549 --> 00:24:59.349 that have brought their daughter, their father and mother, their brother daughter there 370 00:24:59.430 --> 00:25:03.430 for an abortion, or a friend, family member, even sometimes an uber 371 00:25:03.470 --> 00:25:07.819 driver, somebody that has their trust that we might not have at that moment. 372 00:25:07.940 --> 00:25:11.140 That moment, right, we're just that Weirdo out on the sidewalk. 373 00:25:11.259 --> 00:25:14.660 Yeah, if we can win that person over, yeah, that person then 374 00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:18.700 becomes a witness on behalf of that baby. Yeah, and we can we 375 00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:23.450 can leverage that and and help influence the judge, the mother, yeah, 376 00:25:23.650 --> 00:25:27.609 to let that baby go free. Yeah. So you're making a great case 377 00:25:29.009 --> 00:25:33.890 for why we need to really be relational. Yeah, and and build hope 378 00:25:33.250 --> 00:25:40.519 and courage in that man. But there are times when they just are not 379 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:44.920 having it and and they are they are still determined. They're just going to 380 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:47.799 they will off in lie while be right back. Yeah, what do you 381 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:51.190 say in that case when that, when they've left her, no abortionist is 382 00:25:51.230 --> 00:25:52.829 going to be there any minut at right. So they say this, this 383 00:25:52.910 --> 00:25:56.390 is a good point, and this is what kind of want to just focus 384 00:25:56.509 --> 00:26:00.309 on just for a second here. Is Because I've seen this play out. 385 00:26:00.509 --> 00:26:04.059 Yeah, we're the guys coming out of the parking lot or even you know, 386 00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:08.019 he's walked out on the sidewalk and where there were talking to him, 387 00:26:08.019 --> 00:26:14.380 and I've seen counselors, and I've probably done it myself, go on endlessly. 388 00:26:14.420 --> 00:26:17.500 Right, and because he wants to debate and he wants to justify himself, 389 00:26:17.539 --> 00:26:21.369 he wants to claim, you know, innocence and no involvement in this 390 00:26:21.529 --> 00:26:23.410 thing, or he wants to talk about whatever. I mean, I've had 391 00:26:23.490 --> 00:26:27.009 guys talk about anything under the Sun to really just shrug off the guilt of 392 00:26:27.049 --> 00:26:30.609 they're feeling. Hey, but we have to understand there's a sense of urgency. 393 00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:36.000 Right, was that mother WHO's pregnant? I will have a conversation with 394 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:40.599 her for four hours if I can write, because I know she's not going 395 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.160 in here. She's not any abortions. I'll have a conversation that will keep 396 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:45.599 right out of there. If she wants to keep talking, I'll talk about 397 00:26:47.309 --> 00:26:51.430 whatever. I don't care. Yeah, but with him there's a sense of 398 00:26:51.509 --> 00:26:53.670 urgency. Yeah, and so if he's out there on the sidewalk talking to 399 00:26:53.750 --> 00:26:56.630 me and he wants to talk about anything under the Sun, I'm always going 400 00:26:56.670 --> 00:27:00.859 to bring the conversation back around to but your girlfriends in there, your wife 401 00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:03.859 is in there and your baby's about to die. So please go in there 402 00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:06.819 and get her out of there and then we can talk about all these other 403 00:27:06.900 --> 00:27:08.819 things. So he might want to talk about evolution, he might want to 404 00:27:08.819 --> 00:27:14.460 talk about, I mean Rastafarian Ismm I had a guy talk to one of 405 00:27:14.500 --> 00:27:17.809 the talk to me about Rastafarian is him and all babies being murdered in the 406 00:27:17.890 --> 00:27:21.690 baying in there right. All of it's around him trying to justify his self 407 00:27:21.809 --> 00:27:25.450 and not doing anything. Yeah, and so you they want to talk about, 408 00:27:25.730 --> 00:27:29.170 whatever it might be, conspiracy theories and all kinds of weird stuff. 409 00:27:29.170 --> 00:27:33.960 I will always bring the conversation back around there to them going in and getting 410 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.279 her out and when they're about to pull out and there I'm just going to 411 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:38.400 go up to here, to the store, I'm going to go up to 412 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.319 McDonald. I'll be right back. Yeah, I will stress that there's not 413 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:45.990 time for you to be right back. You need to go in there and 414 00:27:47.029 --> 00:27:49.150 get her out of there. Please understand the gravity of what's going on. 415 00:27:49.589 --> 00:27:53.069 So what I want to communicate as I want to communicate urgency, yes, 416 00:27:53.390 --> 00:27:57.859 I want to communicate the gravity of the situation, and I want to communicate 417 00:27:59.059 --> 00:28:03.380 his ability to change the situation. Right. So I want to urgency, 418 00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:08.220 gravity and his ability to communicate to her in such a way that I cannot 419 00:28:08.500 --> 00:28:11.259 write. So I want to get him and so I will say specifically, 420 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:15.970 just cut a you turn right here, go back in there, talk to 421 00:28:17.089 --> 00:28:19.490 her and then all you can all you can do, is try right now. 422 00:28:19.529 --> 00:28:22.970 I will I will reiterate that because I don't want to put an undue 423 00:28:23.009 --> 00:28:27.440 guilt on them, like if they're if they do and genuinely try to get 424 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.839 her out of there and she doesn't come out, what else can you do? 425 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.200 That's right, you know. Yeah, and so I will encourage them 426 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.279 with that you go in, just give her this pamphlet and I'll try to 427 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.309 make it very simple. Just give her this pamphlet, just tell her. 428 00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:45.589 You don't even have to tell her anything, but these people on the sidewalk 429 00:28:45.630 --> 00:28:47.990 want to talk to you. That's all you need to do. Can you 430 00:28:48.029 --> 00:28:52.069 do that? Yeah, and I have watched men, after I encourage them, 431 00:28:52.589 --> 00:28:56.180 walk into the abortion center five ten minutes later, walk out with her 432 00:28:56.259 --> 00:29:00.740 girlfriend holding her hand, and all she was waiting for is for them to 433 00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:03.660 walk for that boyfriend that has been to walk back into that abortion center and 434 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:07.220 say we don't have to do this. That tried, and I do believe 435 00:29:07.339 --> 00:29:11.089 that that is true for many, many of the women, women that they 436 00:29:11.130 --> 00:29:17.089 are just waiting. Will he be the man that God designed him to be? 437 00:29:17.210 --> 00:29:21.049 In that I think women long for a strong man, yeah, who 438 00:29:21.089 --> 00:29:26.720 will defend them and their child. Yeah. So I like also how you 439 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:32.799 gave even in the specificity of just make a you turn. They have, 440 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:41.109 they have sometimes, in their own chaotic mess and deception, just a simple 441 00:29:41.710 --> 00:29:48.269 bit of advice like make a you turn, give them a a plan, 442 00:29:48.710 --> 00:29:55.140 yeah, is sometimes so in invaluable. Yeah, because they just sometimes they 443 00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:57.220 truly do feel like I've done all I knew to do. Some of them 444 00:29:57.299 --> 00:30:02.579 honestly do feel like they've done all they they knew to do, and so 445 00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:07.650 we are giving them more specifics, and those are the times when I feel 446 00:30:07.690 --> 00:30:10.410 like it's a man that's fought. Sometimes you will talk to a man who 447 00:30:10.450 --> 00:30:14.650 has indicated, and I sort of believe in that he has fought to some 448 00:30:14.809 --> 00:30:19.410 degree for that child. Then giving them new ammunition is is what I will 449 00:30:19.450 --> 00:30:22.400 try to speak into them, and that's we're talking about. Well, do 450 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.720 you know what happens to how far long is? She's said ten weeks. 451 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.319 Do you know that a ten week baby has detectable brain waves? Does your 452 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.960 girlfriend know that? Does she know that baby has ten fingers and ten toes 453 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.349 with unique little fingerprints? Yeah, and that that little baby's going to be 454 00:30:37.430 --> 00:30:41.269 ripped apart limb by limb? Does she know that? Maybe if you went 455 00:30:41.390 --> 00:30:45.230 and told her that and said we can't let that happen to our child. 456 00:30:45.950 --> 00:30:48.029 So if they have, have said I don't know what else to say, 457 00:30:48.269 --> 00:30:52.339 and sometimes they will say that. Yeah, that's when I think it's important 458 00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:59.339 give them specifics, know the specifics of abortion, of fetal development, sometimes, 459 00:30:59.420 --> 00:31:02.859 of the resources. Yeah, and and tell them now, go in 460 00:31:03.019 --> 00:31:06.130 and say, say those things. You don't see if those will help. 461 00:31:06.170 --> 00:31:08.569 Yeah, and I think, like I mentioned, putting a pamphlet in their 462 00:31:08.609 --> 00:31:11.089 hands. Yeah, just go in there, don't say a word and give 463 00:31:11.130 --> 00:31:14.930 her this pamphlet. Now's our pamphlet. Says all that. But you do 464 00:31:15.089 --> 00:31:17.769 have to be careful because, at least at our facility, we have said 465 00:31:17.769 --> 00:31:19.400 that and they will snatch it out of their hand. Yeah, I was 466 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.960 going to tell them, okay, I'm sure, yes, stick in your 467 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.400 back pockets, out and you're sure to something like that. To go on 468 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.839 there hander this pamphlet. Yeah, we don't have to do this, or 469 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.150 those people outside want to talk to you. You want to empower you want 470 00:31:33.150 --> 00:31:37.269 to encourage them against thinking of that kind of analogy, of they're a witness 471 00:31:37.710 --> 00:31:41.109 on behalf of their baby, yeah, of why their baby doesn't deserve to 472 00:31:41.190 --> 00:31:45.509 die. And it could be, and this is what I'll say to the 473 00:31:45.589 --> 00:31:48.700 man, it could be that she's in that abortion clinic right now and she's 474 00:31:48.819 --> 00:31:52.740 praying for a sign and she says, God, if you don't want me 475 00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:56.420 to have this abortion, then send whatever his name is back in there and 476 00:31:56.420 --> 00:31:59.019 I'll try to get their name with the man. I'll certainly try to get 477 00:31:59.059 --> 00:32:02.609 their name and use their name encourage them to go in there. And again, 478 00:32:04.049 --> 00:32:07.089 I want to give them enough information to empower them to go in and 479 00:32:07.170 --> 00:32:13.130 do something, but not so much information where I'm provoking a lengthy conversation. 480 00:32:13.569 --> 00:32:15.240 So I'm not. Yeah, I'll get into field development. I'll get into 481 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.759 it very minimally give them the fact that they need to know right. But 482 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.799 I do want to stress fatherhood and the fact that their child is their son 483 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.519 or daughter and that they need to do something about it now, go do 484 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.359 it. That's basically it. Yeah, you're the father that baby. That 485 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.950 baby deserves your protection. She's waiting for you possibly to come in and speak 486 00:32:32.950 --> 00:32:36.430 to her and encourage her to do the right thing. So go in and 487 00:32:36.430 --> 00:32:37.430 do it. Yeah, yeah, I want to stress. Get me chills 488 00:32:37.470 --> 00:32:43.589 when you said she might be praying right now for a sign. And can 489 00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:45.380 you imagine be and they tell us all the time they are. Yeah, 490 00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:49.380 we hear that so much from the women. Can you imagine being that woman 491 00:32:49.380 --> 00:32:53.940 and all of a sudden your boyfriend bust through the door with an and sometimes 492 00:32:54.019 --> 00:32:58.569 with all the workers chasten after him? Say Baby, go back there, 493 00:32:58.650 --> 00:33:02.049 can you imagine the impact of that on that woman? She sees her hero, 494 00:33:02.329 --> 00:33:06.170 she sees her night. Yeah, you know, in shining armor of 495 00:33:06.329 --> 00:33:08.529 hearing, just in the brink of time. It said. It is really 496 00:33:08.569 --> 00:33:13.519 an effective, I think. Yeah, vision for you to paint for them. 497 00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.079 Now there are times when you've done all that and they still say thanks, 498 00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:21.759 I gotta go. Yeah, and they and and there there is one 499 00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:25.160 last thing. We've talked about this before. We always offer to pray. 500 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:30.869 Yeah, yeah, we'll do that. And depending on again, the the 501 00:33:30.869 --> 00:33:35.750 the urgency, and if I know the abortionist is about to get there, 502 00:33:36.069 --> 00:33:37.789 I might not even pray with them. I might just send them on in 503 00:33:37.829 --> 00:33:39.789 there with a pamphlet in their hand and say get her out of there. 504 00:33:39.829 --> 00:33:43.019 Well, what if I know they're saying now? What if they say it? 505 00:33:43.660 --> 00:33:45.740 Thank you. That's been all great advice and see you later, buddy. 506 00:33:45.740 --> 00:33:47.940 Yeah, and they're going to drive. But either way, if if 507 00:33:49.019 --> 00:33:51.500 I feel there's time, I will pray. I like, if I'm going 508 00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:52.460 to send him in there he's willing to go, I'm going to pray and 509 00:33:52.539 --> 00:33:55.289 just pray courage into him, give him the strength. But in that scenario 510 00:33:55.289 --> 00:33:59.250 where they're just apathetic and they're keep driving. I will offer to pray with 511 00:33:59.289 --> 00:34:01.170 them, yeah, and really pray at their yeah, right, right, 512 00:34:01.410 --> 00:34:04.529 Lord, I pray that you would help this young man to see that his 513 00:34:04.650 --> 00:34:07.210 baby is precious, that you love his baby and that you want to give 514 00:34:07.210 --> 00:34:10.519 him the courage that it takes to go in there and get his girlfriend out 515 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:14.559 of that place and save his baby. So give this young man the courage 516 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.039 to do that, help him to be the man that you've called him to 517 00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:20.800 be and help him to know God that he is guilty of the murder of 518 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:22.559 this child if he doesn't do something. So I'll pray something like that. 519 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:27.590 I'm lay it on. Memorize the whole case and laid it out, but 520 00:34:27.710 --> 00:34:30.789 in your prayer. Yeah, and so those words, even if he does 521 00:34:30.909 --> 00:34:34.630 drive away, you know, those words don't return for yeah, right, 522 00:34:34.710 --> 00:34:37.190 there they're. They're in his head as he's driving up to McDonald's for his 523 00:34:37.349 --> 00:34:40.460 coffee. Yeah, and he's thinking of what you've said. Yeah, and 524 00:34:40.780 --> 00:34:45.980 hopefully it's not too late when and if he does return. Yeah. Now 525 00:34:45.980 --> 00:34:49.300 I'll share one story, and I think, as far as I'm concerned, 526 00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:52.219 we're we can wrap this podcast up, I think. Yeah, it's been 527 00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:55.730 good but there was one encouraging story. Okay, now, you guys take 528 00:34:55.849 --> 00:35:00.489 this for whatever it is, but this guy's actually my hero, okay, 529 00:35:00.570 --> 00:35:02.530 one of my heroes, and I'm not saying we encourage people to do this. 530 00:35:02.650 --> 00:35:05.730 This guy kind of did this on his own. But at the HEBROWN 531 00:35:05.769 --> 00:35:10.280 abortion clinic some years ago, probably ten years ago or so, there was 532 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.440 a man his girlfriend actually came to the Hebron abortion clinic to kill his baby. 533 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.199 He knew that she was pregnant. He didn't want her to have the 534 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:21.829 abortion. She went kind of slipped out of the house or whatever, went 535 00:35:21.869 --> 00:35:24.630 to the abortion clinic and somehow he found out through one of her friends or 536 00:35:24.670 --> 00:35:29.269 something like that, that she was at the abortion clinic and he actually rolled 537 00:35:29.269 --> 00:35:31.750 up at the abortion clinic, found out she was in there and went talked 538 00:35:31.789 --> 00:35:36.019 with some of the sidewalk people that are out there and they didn't encourage him 539 00:35:36.059 --> 00:35:38.260 to do anything violent or anything like that, right, but they were encouraging 540 00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:40.860 him that you can go in there, you can speak with her. Well, 541 00:35:40.900 --> 00:35:44.659 they wouldn't let him in to go and talk to her, so he 542 00:35:44.780 --> 00:35:47.380 went around back and kick the back door open. Oh Wow, yeah, 543 00:35:47.739 --> 00:35:51.849 the back door open, got her out of there and he didn't drag her 544 00:35:51.849 --> 00:35:53.250 out or anything, but he he gave her a stern, you know, 545 00:35:53.769 --> 00:35:58.769 rebuke. The police ended up showing up and they rested him and all that 546 00:35:58.889 --> 00:36:01.690 stuff they did. They did arrest him, yeah, because he damaged property, 547 00:36:01.769 --> 00:36:06.559 broke the door down. Okay, but guess what, she's girlfriend didn't 548 00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:10.119 kill their baby babies. Life was safe because that man was a hero. 549 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.199 That guy is my hero. He's one of my hero is. Like that 550 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.590 dude did what most of these men would never do. Right. Most of 551 00:36:19.590 --> 00:36:22.510 these men wouldn't even squeak out in their voices don't have this abortion right. 552 00:36:22.789 --> 00:36:27.469 But that guy actually took action. Now, I'm not encouraging violence and people 553 00:36:27.469 --> 00:36:31.429 kicking downdoors, but man, that story, it's just just is awesome to 554 00:36:31.510 --> 00:36:35.860 me. His baby was saying it because of it. That shows the power 555 00:36:36.179 --> 00:36:42.619 of a man who really sees the value. Yeah, of think about that 556 00:36:43.059 --> 00:36:45.420 child. Think about that kid, and I don't know if that kid has 557 00:36:45.460 --> 00:36:49.090 that story shared, but if I was that kid, if that do was 558 00:36:49.170 --> 00:36:52.050 my father, yeah, I would look up to that knowing what dad did 559 00:36:52.289 --> 00:36:55.690 to save my life. Yeah, just and and you know, that's a 560 00:36:55.809 --> 00:37:00.489 great story. Do you tell that to dad's as I sure counsel, but 561 00:37:00.570 --> 00:37:02.039 I'm careful with that because I don't want to encourage them to go. Yeah, 562 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.920 I don't want to be part of that. I mean, if they 563 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.639 do it, I'm not sad, right, but I'm not going to encourage 564 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.280 it. Yeah, that because I'm not going to be part of yeah, 565 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:14.920 them getting arrested and things like that. Yeah. So it just encouraging story, 566 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.389 kind of like a one of those stories I like to bring out every 567 00:37:17.429 --> 00:37:21.670 once in a while and just share with people what what a man could do, 568 00:37:22.070 --> 00:37:23.750 yeah, to protect the life, of his power, of the of 569 00:37:23.829 --> 00:37:29.070 a father. And so many of these young men don't have fathers or if 570 00:37:29.269 --> 00:37:32.619 they have absent father's, they don't have great role models and sometimes, honestly, 571 00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:37.739 the man at the that's a sidewalk counselor is going to be that role 572 00:37:37.860 --> 00:37:40.380 model. Yeah, that can tell them this is what a man can do 573 00:37:40.900 --> 00:37:45.650 and can be. Yeah, that's true. It. So with that, 574 00:37:45.809 --> 00:37:50.809 guys, we appreciate you listening and we appreciate you, guys reaching out to 575 00:37:50.889 --> 00:37:53.769 us with any suggestions of future podcast that we can do. We love to 576 00:37:53.849 --> 00:37:58.409 cover whatever subjects. Will be a blessing to you we have folks that are 577 00:37:58.449 --> 00:38:00.239 within our circles, within love life, reaching out and saying hey, could 578 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:04.280 you guys cover this or cover that? And so we certainly will listen to 579 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.400 those folks that reach out. 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