Is It Appropriate For Men To Minister To Abortion-minded Women?

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.759 I just don't know if it's appropriate for men to be out there in speaking 2 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:08.390 to women about women's issues. I Am Yours, I am yours, I 3 00:00:08.990 --> 00:00:13.390 am your. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Is Abortions just 4 00:00:13.550 --> 00:00:17.989 a woman's issue? Is it appropriate for men to Minister to abortion minded women? 5 00:00:18.350 --> 00:00:21.820 Join us as we look at this scripturally and share an awesome testimony at 6 00:00:21.820 --> 00:00:28.739 the end. Stay tuned. Send Me Lord, Send Me Lord. I 7 00:00:29.059 --> 00:00:43.130 felt show passis touch your use me love. He there. This is the 8 00:00:43.289 --> 00:00:47.890 Gospel centered pro life podcast. Welcome everybody, and today we're going to talk 9 00:00:47.929 --> 00:00:55.079 about a common thing that we face when we are working out on the sidewalk 10 00:00:55.119 --> 00:01:00.280 or in pro life ministry, which is is it appropriate for men to Minister 11 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:06.670 to abortion determined women? Yes, a lot of folks that will say no, 12 00:01:07.230 --> 00:01:10.269 though. You hear it all the time from the socalled pro choice people 13 00:01:10.430 --> 00:01:15.790 that you don't ever uterus, you're not allowed to speak about abortion. Yeah, 14 00:01:15.870 --> 00:01:19.420 yeah, you hear that, not just from pro abortion people, to 15 00:01:19.540 --> 00:01:23.459 hear that from even some pro lifers. I've had folks say that. You 16 00:01:23.579 --> 00:01:26.099 know, guys say that. I'd like to be out there. I just 17 00:01:26.140 --> 00:01:27.859 don't know if it's appropriate for men right, right, be out there in 18 00:01:27.900 --> 00:01:32.579 speaking to women about out women's issues. Yeah, there's a way, some 19 00:01:32.620 --> 00:01:34.730 people will say, and honestly, even to be fair, as as we 20 00:01:34.890 --> 00:01:40.769 train our new volunteers, we do say that in most cases we feel it's 21 00:01:40.969 --> 00:01:45.250 most effective for women to Minister to the women, yeah, and men to 22 00:01:45.290 --> 00:01:49.519 speak to the men. But I think since I have been doing little bit 23 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:55.040 of research for this podcast, I may have come to a different conclusion. 24 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.840 Yeah, well, we certainly believe in practice, but also, of course, 25 00:01:59.959 --> 00:02:05.750 biblically, that it's not only appropriate for men to Minister in this capacity, 26 00:02:06.469 --> 00:02:08.550 it's biblical to do so. So we believe that. But you know, 27 00:02:08.590 --> 00:02:13.830 there is some wisdom and certain certainly we don't abandon that wisdom. As 28 00:02:13.990 --> 00:02:16.659 far as when a man's coming into the abortion center, they'll say he's brought 29 00:02:16.740 --> 00:02:22.419 his girlfriend there and he's coming out of the abortion center and he's going to 30 00:02:22.460 --> 00:02:23.939 sit in his car or whatever. For a woman to call out and say 31 00:02:24.020 --> 00:02:28.620 hey, be a man and get back in there typically not as effective, 32 00:02:28.699 --> 00:02:32.610 not as well received from a woman to a man. Yeah, typically we 33 00:02:32.930 --> 00:02:38.569 prefer from men to minister to men and that contacts. But well, another 34 00:02:38.610 --> 00:02:42.569 example is, like I share with you before we started this podcast. If 35 00:02:42.610 --> 00:02:46.960 a woman is walking down the sidewalk, she's more vulnerable than if she's driving 36 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:50.280 in in a vehicle and it could be more intimidating if I were to go 37 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.960 up an approach. Not to say I won't a wheel, and I have, 38 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:58.789 but if there's a woman there that can get over to her that's as 39 00:02:58.870 --> 00:03:00.909 she's walking down the side walk coming into the abortion center, I'm going to 40 00:03:00.990 --> 00:03:04.069 say, hey, Google them, talk to her. Yeah, if there's 41 00:03:04.069 --> 00:03:07.469 no one else available, maybe someone that's not very well trained, someone's kind 42 00:03:07.469 --> 00:03:10.870 of new, I'll go and I'll approach and I'll do you everything I'd normally 43 00:03:10.870 --> 00:03:14.860 do as I'm approaching a woman going in. But I think there's some wisdom 44 00:03:14.900 --> 00:03:16.860 that we can use so that we're not being intimidating. I mean, the 45 00:03:16.939 --> 00:03:21.219 goal is we want to have a conversation with these women and we want to 46 00:03:21.300 --> 00:03:23.780 remove any barriers that would be there. Sure, and so if me being 47 00:03:23.819 --> 00:03:27.849 a man would be a barrier, potentially, I want to try to remove 48 00:03:27.889 --> 00:03:30.650 that in as much as I'm able to just use in wisdom. Yeah, 49 00:03:30.810 --> 00:03:35.090 and one of the things that I did is I was thinking about this podcast, 50 00:03:35.370 --> 00:03:38.969 was I did a little bit of research into some of the facts about 51 00:03:39.050 --> 00:03:47.919 the women who are coming for an abortion and how those truths affect whether they 52 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:53.479 would best receive ministering from a man or for a woman. Yeah, for 53 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:58.789 example, I think all of us have seen this. Many, if not 54 00:03:59.110 --> 00:04:04.389 most, abortion minded women come from broken and even abusive relationships. Yeah, 55 00:04:04.469 --> 00:04:10.780 they come. They come from families without father's, either a completely absent father 56 00:04:10.819 --> 00:04:16.420 or a father who is sometimes in prison or in addiction or negligent and yet 57 00:04:16.540 --> 00:04:23.100 some way or absently right or or outright abusive. And so the article specifically 58 00:04:23.180 --> 00:04:27.410 that I that I got some of my facts from, we will post in 59 00:04:27.970 --> 00:04:31.370 in an article that we're going to post on our sidewalks for life website. 60 00:04:32.449 --> 00:04:42.439 But a peer reviewed study of abortion minded women found that a fourth of the 61 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:48.120 women who abort, a fourth are in abusive relationships. Yeah, so knowing 62 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:54.230 that, just knowing that, you know that that woman is likely perceiving a 63 00:04:54.629 --> 00:05:01.189 man with jaded eyes. They're seeing men in in and not a good light. 64 00:05:01.269 --> 00:05:08.339 Yeah, and we're going to talk later on more about how men can 65 00:05:08.420 --> 00:05:15.220 overcome that and the approach to how they approach the woman has to be very 66 00:05:15.379 --> 00:05:19.939 careful. Yeah, but but I think that's part of the reason for why 67 00:05:20.449 --> 00:05:26.689 we so often hear that that a man should not minister to an abortion minded 68 00:05:26.730 --> 00:05:30.529 woman. And there is certainly validity and there yes, well, you know, 69 00:05:30.569 --> 00:05:35.279 if you're dealing with women who have had aggressive men in their lives and 70 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:41.759 in their experience, and let's let's face as far as aggression goes, if 71 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.680 you do a comparison of whether or not this percentage of men or more aggressive 72 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.639 than this percentage of women, I mean the prison population shows just that men 73 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.949 typically are more aggressive, and so that's the perception, and so we have 74 00:05:54.029 --> 00:05:57.949 to understand that perception with the women that we're ministering to. Not only is 75 00:05:58.029 --> 00:06:01.029 it just a general act that men are more aggressive, we're dealing with a 76 00:06:01.149 --> 00:06:05.579 population of women who have been involved with or had men in their lives who 77 00:06:05.579 --> 00:06:11.379 were more aggressive. Yeah, and literally harmed in various ways. And Yeah, 78 00:06:11.379 --> 00:06:15.379 we're coerced into the abortion exactly. So whatever. That's why it is 79 00:06:15.459 --> 00:06:19.529 important that we keep these things in our minds. It shouldn't be a deterrent 80 00:06:19.569 --> 00:06:23.089 from US minishing, and that's one of the things. One of the lies 81 00:06:23.170 --> 00:06:27.610 we want to tear down right away is that is it appropriate for men to 82 00:06:27.689 --> 00:06:32.000 minister to abortion minded women. Yes, it is absolutely appropriate. It is 83 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:35.000 the call of God for us. So we're given away the punch line, 84 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:41.240 were Anne, and so I'll say, yes, it's appropriate and it's necessary, 85 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:45.079 but there are some things that we need to consider in this, and 86 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.149 that's really the meat of what we're talking about. Exactly, exactly. Another 87 00:06:48.550 --> 00:06:57.629 fact of abortion minded women is that one in three children in America live in 88 00:06:57.750 --> 00:07:01.019 a fatherless home. Yes, so there's no male role model at all. 89 00:07:01.220 --> 00:07:08.100 Yeah, and in one out of three families. So these women are coming 90 00:07:08.660 --> 00:07:17.329 with very likely abusive or aggressive relationships with men and then like ful, yes, 91 00:07:17.889 --> 00:07:23.089 exactly, and then with really no role model of what a godly man 92 00:07:23.370 --> 00:07:27.970 or a father, yeah, would would look like. So it would be, 93 00:07:28.209 --> 00:07:30.240 I think, very safe to conclude that there would be trust issues. 94 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.240 Absolutely so, if we want to be effective, and that's all, that's, 95 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:36.639 of course, always primary in in our we want to first of all 96 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:41.600 represent God, but we also do want to be effective and in saving these 97 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:45.910 babies and reaching these MOMS, and if if they don't trust us, then 98 00:07:46.430 --> 00:07:48.149 you're probably not going to be a fact. Yeah, and that's maybe a 99 00:07:48.230 --> 00:07:54.430 subject for a whole other podcast, but the issue of trust is an important 100 00:07:54.470 --> 00:07:57.910 one and so just to lay it out just real succinctly, if I can, 101 00:07:58.860 --> 00:08:03.779 women are coming to abortion clinics because they trust that abortion, that the 102 00:08:03.819 --> 00:08:07.540 abortion clinic, that the abortionist, is going to fix what's broken in their 103 00:08:07.579 --> 00:08:09.740 life. There's a certain amount of trust. Now, of course we know 104 00:08:09.860 --> 00:08:16.170 it's it's a mixed in with all these different components, but there is an 105 00:08:16.290 --> 00:08:18.569 issue of trust where they even invested trust. I mean they've got the money 106 00:08:18.610 --> 00:08:22.089 in their hand, they've made the appointment, they've invested trust in that abortion 107 00:08:22.170 --> 00:08:26.649 clinic, so much so that they're going to go in there and submit themselves 108 00:08:26.689 --> 00:08:31.120 to to a very invasive procedure, put themselves in the most vulnerable position that 109 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.200 woman could be in, physically undressed from the waist down, feed up in 110 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.360 this stir hips. I mean now to get to graphic about it, but 111 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.669 that's the reality of it. And so they've placed their trust in abortion to 112 00:08:41.750 --> 00:08:46.509 the point where they're willing to do certain things to to convey that trust. 113 00:08:46.710 --> 00:08:50.950 Right. What we're trying to do with sidewalk counselors and man or woman sidewalk 114 00:08:50.990 --> 00:08:54.789 counselors. We're trying to get them and convince them, Hey, the trust 115 00:08:54.830 --> 00:08:58.899 that you put in that abortion clinic don't invest your trust. They are invest 116 00:08:58.940 --> 00:09:01.379 your trust us here, and ultimately it's in the Lord. Yeah, but 117 00:09:01.460 --> 00:09:05.139 it's also in us. I mean we're representatives of God, and so we 118 00:09:05.259 --> 00:09:09.490 want them to trust rather than the abortion clinic, we want them to trust 119 00:09:09.490 --> 00:09:13.409 us, and so that's the attitude we need to understand that we've got to 120 00:09:13.490 --> 00:09:16.850 come with. This is a trust thing. Ultimately, again, we want 121 00:09:16.889 --> 00:09:20.210 to turn them to trust the Lord. You know, trust in the Lord 122 00:09:20.250 --> 00:09:22.929 with all of your heart, as the scripture I use on a regular basis. 123 00:09:22.049 --> 00:09:28.080 Yeah, and so anything that that we might do, any disposition we 124 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:33.039 might have that would compromise that trust we need to be careful for. Yeah, 125 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.480 I agree totally. And and to piggyback off of that thought to even 126 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:43.429 a deeper level, when you said ultimately we want them to put their trust 127 00:09:43.629 --> 00:09:48.710 in God. Well, think of that. Their role model of their earthly 128 00:09:48.750 --> 00:09:54.580 father is very distorted, yeah, or absent or very negative. And so 129 00:09:54.899 --> 00:10:01.539 what we're ultimately as a gospel focused pro life ministry, we are ultimately asking 130 00:10:01.620 --> 00:10:05.940 them to put their trust in God, but their image of God is often 131 00:10:07.570 --> 00:10:11.889 distorted by the image of who their earth earthly father was, and so that 132 00:10:13.210 --> 00:10:18.090 is one of the things that I think makes the necessity of a godly man 133 00:10:18.529 --> 00:10:24.360 out on the sidewalk speaking life and being a role model of what a man, 134 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.799 as God designed him to be, a protector. Yeah, women and 135 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.679 children, and that is a really critical picture for them. Police say. 136 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:39.190 Yes, so almost in one sense we're we're talking about the positives and the 137 00:10:39.269 --> 00:10:41.470 negatives, right. So, yeah, it's we need to be careful the 138 00:10:41.549 --> 00:10:46.909 way that we we come across and that sort of thing. But because the 139 00:10:46.990 --> 00:10:48.549 way we come across could have a negative impact, they may not stop and 140 00:10:48.669 --> 00:10:52.019 talk that they reject what we're saying. Yeah, but also it can have 141 00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:58.419 a very positive impact when we come in a humble but also in a protective 142 00:10:58.899 --> 00:11:03.379 demeanor. Those things are important and in the the body language and all that 143 00:11:03.500 --> 00:11:05.730 stuff, and people pick up on that, and so that's why we need 144 00:11:05.769 --> 00:11:09.250 to be intentional and that sort of thing. I mean it's just simply put 145 00:11:09.529 --> 00:11:13.409 again, man or a woman, we need to have an approachable demeanor, 146 00:11:13.889 --> 00:11:16.450 we need to have a smile in our face, not to be all gruff 147 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:20.080 and he is an abortion clinic. We're doing, you know, abortion clinic 148 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.360 ministry. Right, it's hard to have a smile on your face because the 149 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:30.279 killing children in there. But we need to because the demeanor on our face 150 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:33.070 and the body language goes a long way. But I will say, especially 151 00:11:33.750 --> 00:11:37.070 for men when we're trying to reach women going into the abortion clinic, I 152 00:11:37.230 --> 00:11:43.149 mean our our disposition, our demeanor, goes a long way to help get 153 00:11:43.269 --> 00:11:48.379 some of that trust right. Right. You know, they have certainly experienced 154 00:11:48.860 --> 00:11:56.500 shaming, coercion, anger and even abuse at the hands of men. Quite 155 00:11:56.740 --> 00:12:00.700 off and not always, but quite often. That's the story that that I 156 00:12:01.179 --> 00:12:03.769 certainly hear from the women who talk with us. So that's the last thing 157 00:12:03.769 --> 00:12:07.450 they should see. Few men that are yeah, you know, it's not 158 00:12:07.610 --> 00:12:11.289 like when we're talking about this, it's not like we're coming I mean statistics 159 00:12:11.409 --> 00:12:13.649 and reading articles. Is Fine, we should do that, but we're not 160 00:12:13.769 --> 00:12:18.440 just coming from something we've read. This is experience. You know, I've 161 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.840 been out there for fifteen years. Yeah, you've been out there for seven, 162 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:26.159 seven, now, seven years, and talked to probably, I mean 163 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.710 hundreds, maybe thousands, of women coming into the abortion center in various ways, 164 00:12:31.149 --> 00:12:35.149 either talking to them as they're walking up or as a pull over and 165 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:37.110 talk or on the mobile ultrasound unit, we're able to get more in depth 166 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.909 talking to them afterwards on the phone. You know, I've been involved in 167 00:12:41.070 --> 00:12:46.179 situations, in family situations. was some of the moms that have chosen life 168 00:12:46.220 --> 00:12:48.379 and I've seen some of the difficulties, some of the struggles, but I 169 00:12:48.539 --> 00:12:52.940 also seen some of what God will use to try to, you know, 170 00:12:52.500 --> 00:12:56.659 to break into that situation, using myself and other men to break into those 171 00:12:56.700 --> 00:13:01.330 situations and really bring truth and life, not just for the baby but for 172 00:13:01.409 --> 00:13:05.610 the mom as well. Yeah, so we're speaking from from experience and what 173 00:13:05.690 --> 00:13:07.610 God has done. We'll get into a little bit more of that later on. 174 00:13:07.889 --> 00:13:13.759 Yeah, and of course, as in all of our Gospel Centered Prolife 175 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:20.320 podcast, we turn to the Bible, yeah, for truth. And so 176 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:26.149 the Bible is, of course, filled with evidence that men ministered to women 177 00:13:28.309 --> 00:13:33.629 and women an insexual sin. Yeah, I would consider abortion sexual sin and 178 00:13:33.070 --> 00:13:37.669 well, and the result of sexual sin, certain abortions, is the results 179 00:13:37.710 --> 00:13:41.220 of sexual sin a lot of times, and you know, unfortunately, many, 180 00:13:41.259 --> 00:13:46.500 many, many of the situations that we speak to that we experience are 181 00:13:46.620 --> 00:13:50.899 women and men who were having sex outside of marriage. I mean, if 182 00:13:52.340 --> 00:13:56.289 if sex outside of marriage didn't exist, abortion likely would not exist. Right, 183 00:13:56.330 --> 00:13:58.090 right. That's the reality of it, and so that's why it's important 184 00:13:58.129 --> 00:14:03.370 that we bring that into the equation. Biblically speaking. Yeah, do men 185 00:14:03.450 --> 00:14:09.080 in the Bible Ever Address Women in sexual sin situations and difficult situations like what 186 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:15.039 we encounter at the abortion centers? Yeah, and and of course the prime 187 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.519 model of that is Jesus. Yeah, we are to we are to model 188 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.440 our lives after Jesus. Men and women are to model our lives after Jesus. 189 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:31.950 But Jesus Ministers to women so often in the Bible, and always they 190 00:14:31.990 --> 00:14:35.070 are women. Well, not always, most of the time they are. 191 00:14:35.269 --> 00:14:39.299 They are women that are involved in some sort of sin, if not sexual 192 00:14:39.340 --> 00:14:41.899 sin. Yeah, and how he ministers to them, I think, is 193 00:14:43.220 --> 00:14:48.340 just really telling and and helpful. I think so for us. But we're 194 00:14:48.379 --> 00:14:54.009 going to go over some specific examples of when Jesus Ministers to women, and 195 00:14:54.169 --> 00:14:58.169 it's not a comprehensive list at all, but it's it'll give a sense of 196 00:14:58.289 --> 00:15:01.929 how often and he does minister to women. And one of the things which 197 00:15:01.929 --> 00:15:07.200 maybe you can speak more knowledgeably than me to is just that women were not 198 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:15.879 considered as valuable or worthy as men and just the mere fact that Jesus would 199 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:22.190 stoop to talk to women was unusual. Yeah, in the absolutely I mean 200 00:15:22.669 --> 00:15:26.230 John Chapter Four, the woman of Samaria, the woman at the whale. 201 00:15:26.269 --> 00:15:30.870 I mean not only the Jesus kind of breach cultural norms about talking to a 202 00:15:30.990 --> 00:15:35.779 woman, but talking to a woman who had so many husbands and pretty promiscuous, 203 00:15:35.820 --> 00:15:41.740 yeah, it seemed, and also a Samaritan at that, and enemy 204 00:15:41.779 --> 00:15:46.340 of the Jews. Yeah. Yeah, so Jesus breaches all those cultural norms. 205 00:15:46.379 --> 00:15:50.610 Yeah, boss speaking to this woman and he speaks some some really important 206 00:15:50.649 --> 00:15:52.730 truth to her and she ends up. We talked about this in previous podcasts. 207 00:15:52.850 --> 00:15:58.009 Awesome Pastors Scriptures who probably touch on it throughout. It's so appropriate this 208 00:15:58.250 --> 00:16:02.850 for our party is it is. But she goes and she's an evangelist for 209 00:16:03.210 --> 00:16:07.679 for Jesus in that sense in her city. Right. So it is appropriate. 210 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:10.759 We see in that passage. That's probably one of the passage that is 211 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:14.360 it's one that that will mention. So we're going to go over the specific 212 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:18.120 examples, but some of the guiding principles. I think it's always good to 213 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.750 kind of give a gist of what are the main points that are raised in 214 00:16:22.789 --> 00:16:26.549 these passages, and these are the things I came up with. Maybe you'll 215 00:16:26.590 --> 00:16:30.029 come up with other ones. But number one, Jesus. His goal in 216 00:16:30.230 --> 00:16:34.379 ministrying to women, women is always to point them to the heavenly father. 217 00:16:34.539 --> 00:16:40.740 Yeah, I'Ms Always. Number two, his method is always conviction, not 218 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:44.820 condemnation, and in fact he says I come not to condemn but to save. 219 00:16:44.899 --> 00:16:47.970 Yeah, so, but he does want to convict and he does convict. 220 00:16:48.210 --> 00:16:51.490 He uses truth to convict, but but I think, notably not to 221 00:16:51.649 --> 00:16:56.649 condemn. Number three, he always values them as people, no matter how 222 00:16:56.929 --> 00:17:02.039 serious their sin is. He always addresses them. Yeah, as, as 223 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.519 you know, say, human beings absolutely and valuable. Not Getting off the 224 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:11.000 track too much, but Jesus Ministry was marked by the fact that he had 225 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:17.750 women in his company of disciples. I mean, there weren't any of the 226 00:17:17.829 --> 00:17:22.829 apostles weren't women. We know that, but there were several women that came 227 00:17:22.869 --> 00:17:26.069 along with Jesus, and we see that throughout all of the Gospels. Yep, 228 00:17:26.269 --> 00:17:30.900 Jesus did not exclude women from his ministry, didn't exclude them from ministering 229 00:17:30.940 --> 00:17:34.779 to them, but also he didn't exclude them from following him and learning from 230 00:17:34.779 --> 00:17:37.579 him and all of that in the upper room. Yeah, when the Holy 231 00:17:37.579 --> 00:17:41.900 Spirit came down, this is after Jesus, course, was crucified and resurrected 232 00:17:41.980 --> 00:17:45.210 and ascended to heaven. The Holy Spirit came down, there were women in 233 00:17:45.250 --> 00:17:49.009 the midst there. Yeah, and so Jesus Ministry was marked by and even 234 00:17:49.009 --> 00:17:55.569 the Apostles Ministry. My quiet time before the Lord in the mornings. Lately 235 00:17:55.609 --> 00:17:57.599 I've been reading the book of acts and all through the book of acts you 236 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:02.920 see that there were notable women that came through the Ministry of Paul and the 237 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.119 apostles. Yeah, and so women certainly were a part of the ministry and 238 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:12.829 certainly men in Jesus time, though maybe not normally, would reach out to 239 00:18:12.910 --> 00:18:17.990 women. Jesus certainly did. The apostle certainly did, because the Gospel, 240 00:18:18.230 --> 00:18:21.029 you know, Paul says at one point there's neither male nor female. Doesn't 241 00:18:21.029 --> 00:18:23.630 mean they're all the male and female distinctions are removed, but it does mean 242 00:18:23.710 --> 00:18:27.740 that the Gospel is for everybody. Yeah, and they so. Yeah, 243 00:18:27.740 --> 00:18:33.859 I mean that's that's shown forth in Jesus Ministry. Yeah, the fourth kind 244 00:18:33.900 --> 00:18:38.500 of guiding principle that I leaned from going over these was that that Jesus always 245 00:18:38.660 --> 00:18:44.569 offers a better way with a positive outcome, and that kind of goes along 246 00:18:44.569 --> 00:18:51.130 with condemnation. It's not condemnation. There is a game plan and alternative and 247 00:18:51.250 --> 00:18:53.650 that alternative is a very positive one and it, you know, just a 248 00:18:53.809 --> 00:18:59.039 kind of as a side note, I think men are kind of wired differently 249 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.519 and then women, and that men are wired, I believe, to solve 250 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:08.640 problems. They're not so much into talking, yeah, the way women are, 251 00:19:10.430 --> 00:19:12.829 but they at my husband is, of a great example of that. 252 00:19:12.910 --> 00:19:17.269 There are times I just want to vent, but he wants to solve. 253 00:19:17.309 --> 00:19:21.349 Right, yeah, but in the case of in front of an abortion center, 254 00:19:21.990 --> 00:19:23.859 that's not a bad thing to have, not at all. Someone who's 255 00:19:23.900 --> 00:19:27.740 got a solution who's going to point you, because Jesus did. Jesus just 256 00:19:27.819 --> 00:19:33.380 didn't spend a lot of time, like with the touchy Feeley Chatting. He 257 00:19:33.500 --> 00:19:37.730 spent a lot of time about this is what's wrong, this is what's right, 258 00:19:38.130 --> 00:19:41.809 and here is where it leads to this positive outcome. Yeah. So 259 00:19:42.329 --> 00:19:49.609 the fifth thing is that he always loves unconditionally, without compromising the expectation of 260 00:19:49.730 --> 00:19:56.160 repentance and resulting change to behavior. So it sounds like we're being very careful. 261 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.799 The same man should not be too aggressive or certainly not abusive, but 262 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.640 we're not saying that they should refrain from both these speaking the truth. Yeah, 263 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:08.109 I mean the one example that comes to mind for me, which is 264 00:20:08.390 --> 00:20:11.269 again probably another one of the strangers are you going to touch on, is 265 00:20:11.309 --> 00:20:15.390 a woman that was called an adultery, right exactly, and Jesus came to 266 00:20:15.470 --> 00:20:21.150 her defense in the sense that he told those who wanted to stone her to 267 00:20:21.230 --> 00:20:23.259 death he was without sin cast the first stone. So he sort of turn 268 00:20:23.339 --> 00:20:26.539 it around on them. Yeah, but he didn't. I mean, he 269 00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:30.500 wasn't some effeminate Pansy. They didn't point out the truth, right, he 270 00:20:30.660 --> 00:20:34.259 said it was no way condoned. It does where your keysers? You know 271 00:20:34.339 --> 00:20:37.769 where to be found. Okay, and he tells her go and send. 272 00:20:37.849 --> 00:20:41.970 No more so if heat knowledges her sin, he doesn't just say well, 273 00:20:41.089 --> 00:20:45.329 no big deal, keep on you keep only keeping on. No, he 274 00:20:45.410 --> 00:20:48.650 pointed out her sin and told her to stop doing it. Yeah, and 275 00:20:48.809 --> 00:20:52.319 he did it, you know, he did it so succinctly. there. 276 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.720 He didn't, like waste a lot of words, but in those few words, 277 00:20:55.880 --> 00:21:00.079 go and send, no more, he exposed it as sin. He 278 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.150 told her to turn from it, basically to repent, and he said go 279 00:21:04.630 --> 00:21:08.190 now move on with your life. All in what seven words? How many 280 00:21:08.230 --> 00:21:12.430 women can do that right? Yeah, well, just in general, I 281 00:21:12.509 --> 00:21:15.670 think men tend to be less wordy. Jesus, I think that. I 282 00:21:15.789 --> 00:21:21.019 think it was not wordy. Yeah, he but one of the things we're 283 00:21:21.059 --> 00:21:23.380 talking about, just like we talked about a couple of PODCASTS, to go 284 00:21:23.420 --> 00:21:27.660 about how the body of Christ works together. They're different components and in different 285 00:21:27.740 --> 00:21:32.180 folks with different giftings and different callings and all that sort of thing, and 286 00:21:32.220 --> 00:21:36.849 God uses all that in the same way. God uses both men and women 287 00:21:37.369 --> 00:21:41.170 on the sidewalks to Minister to abortion mounded women, in our different strengths, 288 00:21:41.329 --> 00:21:47.089 in our different weaknesses. Yeah, I think probably, because I think it 289 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.640 would be inappropriate for a man to go on board the mobiltra sound unit with 290 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.400 a woman and get the ultra sound on their hands on dress. So yeah, 291 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:57.799 exactly. That will be totally inappropriate. However, just the scenario itself 292 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.910 might not be a scenario in which men will thrive. Thrive so well, 293 00:22:03.990 --> 00:22:07.589 because that's when you do get into the meat of the things and you're not 294 00:22:07.670 --> 00:22:11.549 just given solutions, you're talking about the situations, you're hearing them out and 295 00:22:11.630 --> 00:22:14.549 all that. You get more in depth with the conversations. Well, that's 296 00:22:14.589 --> 00:22:17.619 a good point, because a big part of the RV experience where we bring 297 00:22:17.660 --> 00:22:19.859 the women on to show them then I'll just sounded their baby, is that 298 00:22:19.980 --> 00:22:23.900 we listen to that huge, really important. Yes, you build a relationship 299 00:22:23.980 --> 00:22:29.299 and you hear them so that they feel heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 300 00:22:29.299 --> 00:22:30.690 and it's not to say that of course we don't want to brawl brush. 301 00:22:30.930 --> 00:22:33.809 Some men are more inclined to want to talk at length than others, 302 00:22:33.890 --> 00:22:37.329 but it does seem to be a pretty general principle that men want to fix 303 00:22:37.490 --> 00:22:41.049 things. I mean that's the case for me. The Lord has helped me 304 00:22:41.210 --> 00:22:47.759 tremendously, I think, through this ministry and through just learning from my wife 305 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.599 to listen, to be an ear and I don't always have to solve problems. 306 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:55.440 Sometimes I just need to listen. So but it does seem generally men 307 00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:57.519 are just problem solvers. We hear a problem, yeah, you go here's 308 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:02.269 a plant. Yeah, and in this scenario it can be a good thing. 309 00:23:02.309 --> 00:23:06.390 That's right. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. So then 310 00:23:06.430 --> 00:23:08.509 the the last kind of guiding principle, and then maybe we could talk about 311 00:23:08.549 --> 00:23:15.539 some of those specific samples, is that Jesus often meets physical and other needs, 312 00:23:15.019 --> 00:23:21.019 but again always with the spiritual counterpart of the primary goal being a right 313 00:23:21.099 --> 00:23:26.369 relationship with God. So the men out there at an abortion center, Godly 314 00:23:26.490 --> 00:23:32.289 met pro life men on the sidewalk can be offering to meet the needs that 315 00:23:32.450 --> 00:23:36.690 these women have expressed, just as just like the women can offer that. 316 00:23:37.289 --> 00:23:41.759 But the goal in both cases, and certainly in Jesus case, was that 317 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:48.119 always healing and meeting needs was to lead to a right relationship with God. 318 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.720 Yeah, and to keep redemption. The Ministry of a Sidewalk Counselor Ministry if 319 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.670 you guys listen, and minister in a pregnancy center, whatever context. Yeah, 320 00:23:56.750 --> 00:24:00.950 it's always he's redemptive. Yeah, I the desires always redemption. It's 321 00:24:00.950 --> 00:24:07.390 always to take a bad situation and allow God to redeem that situation. And 322 00:24:07.509 --> 00:24:12.380 of course that won't Happen Unless the Gospel is plainly laid out right, and 323 00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:17.259 that can be done in in a way that is not you know, you 324 00:24:17.299 --> 00:24:19.660 don't have to be overly aggressive to share the gospel. I mean, if 325 00:24:19.660 --> 00:24:23.099 you've ever seen, which you've encourage you guys in the past to do, 326 00:24:23.289 --> 00:24:27.329 is watch summer ray comforts videos. You don't see an aggressive man, you 327 00:24:27.450 --> 00:24:33.730 know, you see Ray Comfort Sharing the gospel very, very forthrightly, but 328 00:24:33.849 --> 00:24:37.809 very tactfully and all that with men and women alike, and that's to me 329 00:24:37.890 --> 00:24:41.839 a good model of sharing the Gospel. Yeah, totally ID to some people 330 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:44.000 might have in their mind. Reason why I say that? Because some people 331 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:47.119 might have in their mind because they've seen videos on Youtube or whatever, if 332 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.279 people men in front of abortion clinics just being like, I guess, overtly 333 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:56.589 aggressive and just calling out sin and whatever people. I'm not going to. 334 00:24:56.789 --> 00:25:00.710 I'm not the critic of that, but don't be surprised if you do that. 335 00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:03.230 You know, if you stand on a stool in front of the abortion 336 00:25:03.269 --> 00:25:07.819 clinic like a street preacher, don't be surprised very few women come over and 337 00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:11.019 talk to you because you're not putting yourself in a position for them to actually 338 00:25:11.740 --> 00:25:14.500 come over and talk to you. God will, God will use I mean, 339 00:25:14.539 --> 00:25:17.259 God's word doesn't return void. God will use that, but preaching. 340 00:25:18.579 --> 00:25:22.569 So anyway, yeah, rabbit trail on that. Yeah, so let's get 341 00:25:22.569 --> 00:25:26.130 into some of the specifics. Maybe then some of when Jesus encounters women. 342 00:25:26.369 --> 00:25:32.410 Okay, how about Mark Twenty five to thirty four? Okay, that's the 343 00:25:32.490 --> 00:25:36.240 woman who has been sick with a bleeding disease, I believe. Okay, 344 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:41.759 yeah, for years and she touches his robe and in that passage she has 345 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.720 a significant health need. She's unclean, by the way, right the eyes 346 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.960 of Jewish law at the time, because she has this flow of blood and 347 00:25:49.109 --> 00:25:56.789 that made her unclean. So she should not have touched Jesus according to Jewish 348 00:25:56.829 --> 00:26:00.190 law. Oh Yeah, and I think it. Well, disciples, I 349 00:26:00.230 --> 00:26:03.109 can't remember if they rebuked her. No, no, they didn't rebuke. 350 00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:07.900 Can Actually rebeat her? Actually, they sort of rebuke Jesus when Jesus said, 351 00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:08.740 and you know, he touched me, and they said, you ask 352 00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:12.180 who touched me, and there's a crowd, crowd around him. That's right, 353 00:26:12.579 --> 00:26:19.250 that's right. So, but he doesn't rebuke her and say why did 354 00:26:19.369 --> 00:26:22.970 you touch? You Break Jewish law. You touch me, a woman. 355 00:26:23.049 --> 00:26:26.890 What are you doing? Yeah, what's wrong with you? And in fact 356 00:26:26.890 --> 00:26:32.920 he commends her and says that her faith has saved her. Yeah, so 357 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:41.880 he looks at this desperate woman and he's gentle he's kind and even commends her 358 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:48.990 her attempt to be healed. Yeah, her a successful attend and it was 359 00:26:49.150 --> 00:26:55.750 successful, and I think that's a great model in in terms of what's happening 360 00:26:55.829 --> 00:27:00.740 out in front of the abortion center, in that he looks for the positive 361 00:27:00.819 --> 00:27:06.660 in a way. Yeah, he doesn't look at the obvious infraction of which 362 00:27:07.019 --> 00:27:10.900 there was in that time period. Yeah, but he looks for something that 363 00:27:10.980 --> 00:27:14.099 he commend her. Yes, a matter of fact, I read this is 364 00:27:14.180 --> 00:27:17.890 Mark Five, verse Thirty Four. Okay, and he is Jesus said to 365 00:27:18.009 --> 00:27:22.210 her, daughter, your faith has made you well go in peace and be 366 00:27:22.329 --> 00:27:26.250 healed of your affliction, and he addresses her as daughter. Yeah, and 367 00:27:26.369 --> 00:27:30.000 that's a powerful term of endearment there. He doesn't rebuke her again, like 368 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.440 you said, for breaking the Jewish law, because that would be she has 369 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.599 a flow of blood right, and she would be breaking because she's unclean. 370 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:42.559 Yeah, Jewish law, and him, being very God in the flesh who 371 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:48.549 established that law, could have rightly rebuked her, but he didn't. He 372 00:27:48.670 --> 00:27:51.990 says daughter, he calls her daughter, your faith has made you well go 373 00:27:52.269 --> 00:27:56.230 in peace and be healed of your affliction. Jesus meets her very graciously in 374 00:27:56.390 --> 00:28:00.099 that situation and immediately connects it to a spiritual it was her faith. Yeah, 375 00:28:00.180 --> 00:28:04.980 that made her well. Yeah, so not direct application what we're dealing 376 00:28:06.019 --> 00:28:07.740 with. As far as abortion minded women. They're coming with a quite a 377 00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:14.529 different disposition. But yet still it's notable that Jesus was gracious to her, 378 00:28:14.650 --> 00:28:18.529 even though she did, you know, break that one Jewish right. But 379 00:28:18.650 --> 00:28:23.289 there is another slight way that we could draw that even closer to the population 380 00:28:23.410 --> 00:28:30.000 of women coming to an abortion center, in that she was disdained and overlooked. 381 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.799 Yeah, because she was unclean. But Jesus breaks through those barriers. 382 00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:40.440 And there are certainly people that just want to scream at abortion minded women. 383 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.750 Yeah, because they're doing something awful, and it is awful, it is 384 00:28:42.789 --> 00:28:48.910 ruful, absolutely, but but we need to look past that sometimes to how 385 00:28:48.990 --> 00:28:52.509 can we heal? Yeah, how can we help? Okay, how about 386 00:28:52.670 --> 00:28:56.819 the woman who was crippled and bent double by demons, and that's in luke 387 00:28:56.980 --> 00:29:03.420 thirteen versus ten to seventeen. So in that story, just in general, 388 00:29:03.539 --> 00:29:07.140 the woman has been crippled, it says, by evil spirits. Yeah, 389 00:29:07.819 --> 00:29:14.650 for eighteen years, and Jesus ultimately sets her free from her infirmity. Laying 390 00:29:14.769 --> 00:29:19.329 hands on her, she immediately straightens up and, as a result, praises 391 00:29:19.490 --> 00:29:26.039 God. So he meets her needs. The result is to draw her out 392 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.240 of evil control, these satanic she's bound by Satan. He says. She's 393 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.759 been bound by Satan for eighteen years, and then he delivers her to God. 394 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.240 And I would suggest that these abortion minded women are, in a sense 395 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.309 bound by Satan. Yeah, they've been bound by lies from the devil. 396 00:29:41.549 --> 00:29:47.269 Right. They've been bound by fear, which is a thing that we need 397 00:29:47.309 --> 00:29:52.230 to understand, and we read article about that on our sidewalks for lifeside, 398 00:29:52.230 --> 00:29:56.059 how women come under a spirit of fear. And so there's that spirit of 399 00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:59.779 fear they're under. So we need to come with that understanding for shore. 400 00:30:00.059 --> 00:30:06.380 Yeah, and and how Jesus deals with her is is he sets her free, 401 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:11.049 laying hands on her again, there's this this touch, a gentle and 402 00:30:11.210 --> 00:30:18.490 compassionate touch that again meets the needs, but it points her to God. 403 00:30:18.690 --> 00:30:22.960 And so the general principle, I think, for all men and all women 404 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:30.359 ministering at an abortion center is everything you do needs to ultimately keep pointing someone 405 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.559 compassionately, keep pointing them to God. Yeah, so the woman caught an 406 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:41.630 adultery. That's a big one. That's probably the one that most fits the 407 00:30:41.829 --> 00:30:45.430 parallel of what we face. Yeah, as in Pro Life Ministry. So 408 00:30:45.549 --> 00:30:51.500 that's in John Seven, verse fifty three and goes through John Eight, verse 409 00:30:51.579 --> 00:30:56.339 eleven and and in that in that story, we've mentioned it many times, 410 00:30:56.420 --> 00:31:00.299 she's caught in the act of adultery. Now here's an interesting thing. According 411 00:31:00.339 --> 00:31:06.089 to Jewish law, both the adulterous man and woman were supposed to be brought 412 00:31:07.289 --> 00:31:10.930 to justice, brought right. Yeah, for but where's the man? Of 413 00:31:11.049 --> 00:31:15.730 course, yeah, he's he's not been included in the equation. And of 414 00:31:15.890 --> 00:31:21.960 course their motivation is not about justice right, not even upholding the law. 415 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.880 Their motivation, it tells us in the scripture, in order to trap Jesus 416 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.599 Right, getting trapped in us an area in which he'll say that she should 417 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.789 be condemned, yeah, or that she should not be condemned. Yeah. 418 00:31:33.789 --> 00:31:37.230 Yeah, of course Jesus, in his awesome wisdom, out smarts those guys, 419 00:31:37.390 --> 00:31:40.509 yes, and brings truth to her as will. I can't be forgotten 420 00:31:40.549 --> 00:31:45.069 that Jesus didn't just glaze over her sin. Yeah, Jesus focused on that 421 00:31:45.109 --> 00:31:48.579 sin and told her to stop doing it. Right yet right? Yeah, 422 00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:52.900 show her mercy, for sure, but also shared her truth. Yeah, 423 00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:57.619 and love and truth. And I think that's that's where how I summarized that 424 00:31:57.859 --> 00:32:04.170 passage. Is She expects condemnation, m shaming, even death. Yeah, 425 00:32:04.250 --> 00:32:07.210 for according to Jewish law, for what she had done. I'm sure she 426 00:32:07.369 --> 00:32:10.569 was expecting. She's brought in front of this grape man. Yeah, certainly 427 00:32:10.609 --> 00:32:15.160 knows scripture. Yeah, this rabbi WHO's everybody's talking about. And and I'm 428 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.559 sure there's any concern on her part that she's going to be stone today. 429 00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.559 And yet how does he treat her? Is it condemning? Is it shaming? 430 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:28.839 Is it threatening death? No, that it was. It was gracious, 431 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.789 compassionate, but again forthright and truthful. Yeah, yeah, and and 432 00:32:34.230 --> 00:32:37.150 so she we I guess, we don't know what happened to her. We 433 00:32:37.230 --> 00:32:40.470 don't know if she went and send no more. I don't think we're told. 434 00:32:42.069 --> 00:32:45.019 No, we're not told. In Church history didn't didn't have her, 435 00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:47.980 as far as I'm aware. Yeah, any stories about her, but we 436 00:32:49.099 --> 00:32:54.420 can assume, with that encounter with Jesus, that she went and obeyed Jesus 437 00:32:54.500 --> 00:33:00.890 and maybe was one of the the sidell's that that followed Jesus and the coming 438 00:33:00.490 --> 00:33:04.450 months and years. Yeah, and I think it's one of the most beautiful 439 00:33:04.450 --> 00:33:10.369 passages as as an example for men ministering to women. Is They are expecting 440 00:33:10.490 --> 00:33:15.079 condemnation from you. They are, and if that's what they hear, you've 441 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.839 you have become the problem, I think at that point, honestly, because 442 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:23.559 they're you. You're exactly what they expected. But that's not what Jesus modeled. 443 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:29.990 He modeled kindness, compassion, truth, forthrightness and love. Yeah, 444 00:33:30.150 --> 00:33:37.509 absolutely, along with truth. So then maybe the last one that we have 445 00:33:37.670 --> 00:33:40.150 time for. You want to do just one more? Yeah, okay. 446 00:33:40.190 --> 00:33:46.980 So the last one is in Luke seven versus thirty six to fifty, and 447 00:33:47.220 --> 00:33:54.970 that's about the prostitute who anoints Jesus prior to His crucifixion. She's a sinful 448 00:33:54.970 --> 00:34:04.609 woman, that is certainly suggested, probably a prostitute. She anoints Jesus's feet 449 00:34:04.970 --> 00:34:09.000 with her tears and ointment, and those that are with Jesus are appalled, 450 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:14.800 right on several levels that. First of all, what's he doing interacting at 451 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:22.199 all with this woman of ill repute and she's touching him and they're just apalled 452 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.429 that he would let her touch him and even say, don't you know who 453 00:34:25.510 --> 00:34:29.110 this is? Right, yeah, that is touched. Yeah, I mean 454 00:34:29.190 --> 00:34:32.150 one point is in verse thirty nine, it says now in the Pharisee who 455 00:34:32.190 --> 00:34:35.869 had invited him saw this, he spoke to himself. So he just said 456 00:34:35.869 --> 00:34:37.230 this in his own heart. This man, if he were a prophet, 457 00:34:37.579 --> 00:34:42.539 would know who and what manner of woman this is who's touching him, for 458 00:34:42.659 --> 00:34:45.300 she is a sinner. So, yeah, the filthy woman. Yeah, 459 00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:47.659 this man's eyes. And if Jesus was any kind of a prophet, like 460 00:34:47.820 --> 00:34:52.019 people are saying or like he claims to be, then he would know this 461 00:34:52.179 --> 00:34:54.050 woman right, she shouldn't be touching it. So it isn't that interesting that 462 00:34:54.130 --> 00:34:59.570 he's questioning even they even who Jesus is, based on the fact that he's 463 00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:05.369 interacting with this sinful woman? I think that that can clearly has applications for 464 00:35:06.289 --> 00:35:12.000 what we do. We are not only associating with clearly sinful women, they're 465 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.679 about to kill their babies, but we are offering them, I hope, 466 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:21.590 a similar sort of response as Jesus saw first. Yeah, yeah, so 467 00:35:21.829 --> 00:35:24.670 from the perspective of this Pharisee, he wants Jesus to, in his eyes, 468 00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:28.750 do the right thing and push this woman to the side and they get 469 00:35:28.789 --> 00:35:30.869 out of here. Yeah, but Jesus turns it on him and actually gives 470 00:35:30.909 --> 00:35:35.469 a parable and talks about, you know, basically, a man was owed 471 00:35:35.550 --> 00:35:37.460 this much money and was forgiven this much money, and another man was owed 472 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:40.659 this much money was for giving this much money. Who you think would love 473 00:35:42.260 --> 00:35:45.980 the guy that forgave the debt more? Well, the one who was forgiven 474 00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:47.940 more. Right. And he's saying this woman, yeah, you might be 475 00:35:49.059 --> 00:35:52.170 a righteous pharisee that has never broken the law or whatever, and she's a 476 00:35:52.449 --> 00:35:57.769 your as a filthy prostitute. And yet she's had an encounter with me. 477 00:35:57.929 --> 00:36:01.449 Obviously she, I would say, knew who Jesus was way before this incident. 478 00:36:01.570 --> 00:36:04.960 She just come in all of a sudden. She'd had an encounter with 479 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.239 Jesus before and she had seen His mercy and the forgiveness that he offers and 480 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:15.360 she loved him much because she was forgiven much. Jesus gives her mercy and 481 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.590 uses that as an opportunity to show others that God is merciful, that those 482 00:36:20.630 --> 00:36:24.789 who humbly repent, God shows mercy to now again, the scenario is a 483 00:36:24.829 --> 00:36:30.070 bit different because we're encountering women going into the abortion center who haven't yet repented. 484 00:36:30.230 --> 00:36:32.820 Correct. However, we want them to write, we want to have 485 00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:36.500 a conversation with him, we want to talk to them about the Lord and 486 00:36:36.579 --> 00:36:38.659 talk to them about the resources and things that would help them not to go 487 00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:44.219 in there and and do what they'd come to do. But again, our 488 00:36:44.300 --> 00:36:49.530 disposition should be like Jesus in one of receptivity. We want to be received 489 00:36:49.610 --> 00:36:52.769 and what we're saying right. Yeah, exactly. And I have seen the 490 00:36:53.010 --> 00:36:59.929 fruit of our ministry bring me a woman, not just me, all of 491 00:37:00.130 --> 00:37:05.880 us, a woman who is so grateful, yeah, that she responds in 492 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:10.679 a like sort of way, just with so much gratitude and love and turning 493 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:17.110 to God. Then was so much faith, because she has been forgiven of 494 00:37:17.389 --> 00:37:27.070 so much that she knows was wrong and and evil and sinful and at yeah, 495 00:37:27.110 --> 00:37:30.699 and and in fact, I know, Daniel, you have a really 496 00:37:30.099 --> 00:37:36.179 wonderful experience of someone who really came to that point of repentance. Yeah, 497 00:37:36.739 --> 00:37:38.619 yeah, this was not too many weeks ago. We cheered it on our 498 00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:42.619 blog, we shared it in an email send out, and this is a 499 00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:45.489 young lady who came to the abortion center right, and some of you, 500 00:37:45.570 --> 00:37:47.409 if you've read our email send outs, it's the young lady who said I'm 501 00:37:47.449 --> 00:37:51.289 going in for a refund. Well, initially, yeah, you know, 502 00:37:51.369 --> 00:37:54.130 I had poured my heart out to her. I'd spoken to her for well, 503 00:37:54.570 --> 00:37:58.130 you know, I'll just kind of give you the layout. She had 504 00:37:58.170 --> 00:38:00.840 gone into the abortion center and this because of the covid nineteen stuff. They 505 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:05.079 were telling them to go back outside and waiting their cars. So she comes 506 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.320 out and this is on a Saturday, so it's pretty crazy. Other Saturdays 507 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:13.670 are police officers there, there's even pro abortion people there. At that time, 508 00:38:13.750 --> 00:38:16.110 thankfully, there were not pro abortion people there. But she goes and 509 00:38:16.230 --> 00:38:21.110 she's sitting or standing beside her car and I called out to our said Hey, 510 00:38:21.190 --> 00:38:22.710 just come over and talk with us. It's come and take my information. 511 00:38:23.110 --> 00:38:27.139 And initially she was like no, I don't need what you have. 512 00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:30.699 I'm okay, right, and I said something to the effective well, you're 513 00:38:30.699 --> 00:38:35.500 not okay, you're at an abortion clinic. What I have will be really 514 00:38:35.539 --> 00:38:37.940 helpful. Just come over and take the information and I, you know, 515 00:38:37.980 --> 00:38:43.530 I make sure my tone is a gracious tone and I think tone does matter. 516 00:38:43.690 --> 00:38:45.289 Some people might downplay that, but you know, we say in our 517 00:38:45.329 --> 00:38:49.409 trainings your tone will set the tone. If you have an angry tone, 518 00:38:49.889 --> 00:38:52.250 hey, come over here and talk to me, they're typically not going to 519 00:38:52.329 --> 00:38:55.639 reciprocate nice with a nice tone. They're going to be angry as well. 520 00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.760 Right. And so, anyway, I just talked to her real graciously but 521 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.119 forth rightly, and I said just come over and take the information. Not 522 00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:06.159 Going to hurt for you to have information. She's okay, I'll come and 523 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:08.719 get so she came over and she took the information, or a little brochure 524 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:14.510 that we hand out, and I went right into okay, so what's going 525 00:39:14.550 --> 00:39:16.829 on in your life? What makes you feel like this is an option for 526 00:39:16.909 --> 00:39:21.909 you? And she started pouring out her heart and listen, I've had people, 527 00:39:22.269 --> 00:39:25.820 I've had women either stopping carside as they're going into the abortion center, 528 00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:29.980 coming out of the abortion center, all kinds of scenarios, share with me 529 00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:34.380 things and I'm like that's Dmi, two months information. I don't even know 530 00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:36.739 it, but I just roll with it. They're going to pour it out. 531 00:39:36.780 --> 00:39:37.969 Yeah, I'm going to listen. Yeah, and I'm going to try 532 00:39:37.969 --> 00:39:40.889 to just bring God a course into the equation and that's what I did in 533 00:39:40.969 --> 00:39:45.210 that situation. She shared some of about, like we talked about before, 534 00:39:45.289 --> 00:39:50.170 the the boyfriend, or actually wouldn't even her boyfriend was kind of one night 535 00:39:50.250 --> 00:39:52.599 stand thing, but the guy who she was pregnant by was a dirt bag. 536 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.039 That's that's I think that's the word you use these the dirt bag, 537 00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.400 and so I got into that and I talked about how God saves dirt bags. 538 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:00.760 I used to be a dirt bag and what God did in my life 539 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:06.599 and shared my testimony and then she shared some of the other things and struggles 540 00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.590 and and all that was going on and, you know, by God's grace, 541 00:40:08.710 --> 00:40:10.869 was able to talk to her and some others came along. Some ladies 542 00:40:10.909 --> 00:40:14.989 came along, One lady that are one of our volunteers who's post aboard of 543 00:40:15.070 --> 00:40:16.949 and shared and one of the things that she said, because I talked to 544 00:40:16.989 --> 00:40:21.980 her, that the young lady we were ministering to about the regret that comes 545 00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:23.699 from abortion, and she said, well, first she started out with, 546 00:40:23.860 --> 00:40:27.860 I'm afraid I'm going to regret if I have this baby. I'm going to 547 00:40:27.940 --> 00:40:30.820 regret it because I don't want to bring this baby into a situation where it 548 00:40:30.860 --> 00:40:32.860 doesn't know it's Dad. I understand that, but I said, you know, 549 00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:37.289 understand if you have the abortion, you're going to regret that, right, 550 00:40:37.530 --> 00:40:38.369 and she said, Oh, I know, I'll regret that. So 551 00:40:38.409 --> 00:40:42.130 I'm like, okay, so you have a scenario in which he might regret 552 00:40:42.809 --> 00:40:45.849 having the the baby and then a scenario that you know you're going to regret 553 00:40:46.010 --> 00:40:49.250 having the abortion. Yeah, well, why not? Do you know? 554 00:40:49.250 --> 00:40:51.679 I'm just kind of not a sales pitch, but I'm like, Hey, 555 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.679 just way this thing out. Yeah, we're being very logical and very truthful, 556 00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:00.000 following the biblical guidelines. Yeah, you're doing great so far. Yeah, 557 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.880 so thus far, doing fine, I guess. Well, it came 558 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.829 to a point where I think I had given her everything I could and he 559 00:41:06.989 --> 00:41:08.230 just kind of spelled it out to her and let her know the help and 560 00:41:08.309 --> 00:41:10.630 the resources that are available, and she said, well, I got a 561 00:41:10.750 --> 00:41:15.469 friend who's WHO's trying to Tak me into not having the abortion to I'm going 562 00:41:15.510 --> 00:41:17.070 to go to my car and I'm going to call her. So she went 563 00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:20.900 called her and then she came back out and talked a little bit more and 564 00:41:21.139 --> 00:41:23.500 shared some more stuff with her and then she said, okay, I just 565 00:41:23.579 --> 00:41:28.340 don't know what I'm going to do, and so she went over to her 566 00:41:28.420 --> 00:41:32.130 car, and that was just praying God, please get in your car right 567 00:41:32.210 --> 00:41:35.809 the away from here, get in your guys. Just plan. God, 568 00:41:35.889 --> 00:41:37.610 please get Ahold of her her make sure, just don't let her go in 569 00:41:37.650 --> 00:41:40.010 that abortion clinic. Lord, I'm praying because you know how it is when 570 00:41:40.010 --> 00:41:44.289 you poured your heart out and it's like your heart is invested in this person, 571 00:41:44.329 --> 00:41:46.800 and I just knew for her, if she had the abortion, it 572 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:52.519 would destroy her, because she knew the right thing. She had every reason, 573 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.559 I mean, as we talk through it and the way that she believed 574 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:59.559 in God and the way that God had arranged things, even though the guy 575 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.869 was a dirt bag. She had a good job, she had an apartment 576 00:42:01.909 --> 00:42:05.989 with an extra bedroom, you know, and she was talking about how maybe 577 00:42:06.030 --> 00:42:07.230 that would be a bedroom for the child. I was like yeah, you 578 00:42:07.309 --> 00:42:12.190 see how God. Anyway, she went back to her car this point and 579 00:42:12.670 --> 00:42:15.389 then I started to see her walk into the door of the abortion center. 580 00:42:15.429 --> 00:42:19.340 I'm like, Oh no, I've seen that walk before, right. We 581 00:42:19.539 --> 00:42:23.380 all, yeah, we all just shrivel up like we've given all we had 582 00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:27.099 to give. But as she's walking through the door, I called out to 583 00:42:27.219 --> 00:42:29.820 our called out her name and I said you don't want to go in there, 584 00:42:29.860 --> 00:42:30.849 please don't do this, and she turns around says, Oh, I'm 585 00:42:30.849 --> 00:42:35.409 not, I'm going in for a refund. Yeah, like then rejoicing broke 586 00:42:35.489 --> 00:42:37.889 out on the sidewalk. Ultimately she came out of the abortion center. She 587 00:42:37.929 --> 00:42:40.769 went and got her money back, got her ID back. Yeah, came 588 00:42:40.809 --> 00:42:45.920 out of the abortion center parking lot and stopped at the driveway and we pointed 589 00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.440 over to the mobile ultrass sound unit and my wife and Sarah were able to 590 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.039 minister her there's my wife is the nurse and Sarah was the counselor on board 591 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.320 that day. Ministered to her. She saw her baby on ultrasound. They 592 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.670 share the Gospel with her. She gave her heart to Jesus and you know. 593 00:43:00.909 --> 00:43:05.349 So that's just one story of many where I've seen men in this situation. 594 00:43:05.469 --> 00:43:07.389 God used me very graciously, but I've seen him use other men and 595 00:43:07.909 --> 00:43:14.460 ministering two women at the abortion center. And actually she came back that next 596 00:43:14.579 --> 00:43:16.300 Friday. So this was a Saturday, and so that next Friday, almost 597 00:43:16.340 --> 00:43:20.739 a week later, she came back with a gift basket for me and a 598 00:43:20.860 --> 00:43:22.699 card. Yeah, that said, this, read this card. I'm looking 599 00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:25.420 at it. You all can't see it at its hand illustrated. It's just 600 00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:29.489 speart of yeah, and I put it out on our cities for life facebook. 601 00:43:29.530 --> 00:43:30.849 Yes, he can public space, so you guys to see it. 602 00:43:30.889 --> 00:43:35.610 CHARLOTTE, cities for life facebook. But here's what it says. This is 603 00:43:35.849 --> 00:43:39.090 there's really not any words to describe the impact you've made. I knew the 604 00:43:39.130 --> 00:43:44.079 right decision. I just needed a little push and you were that other voice 605 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.320 I was seeking to hear from other than my own. Thank you. And 606 00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.840 so this she was just needing a voice. And, guys, I won't 607 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.559 encourage you. Men. Yeah, you can be a voice. That's just 608 00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:58.550 from my experience, but I'm telling you, I've seen it in other men. 609 00:43:58.630 --> 00:44:04.190 I've seen God use men in these situations awesomely. I've seen God do 610 00:44:05.269 --> 00:44:08.429 amazing things through men and women on the sidewalk. So is it appropriate for 611 00:44:08.510 --> 00:44:13.579 men? Is it okay for men to Minister to abortion minded women? Guys? 612 00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:16.219 Yeah, necessary, yeah, it's not just okay, it's necessary. 613 00:44:16.699 --> 00:44:22.500 God will use you. Now you're demeaning your disposition. They do matter, 614 00:44:22.699 --> 00:44:27.010 but even if that needs to be honed a little bit. God will work. 615 00:44:27.090 --> 00:44:30.130 God's worked on me massively. I used to be a lot more, 616 00:44:30.610 --> 00:44:32.650 I don't know, aggressive. I wouldn't that aggressive I used to be. 617 00:44:32.929 --> 00:44:37.920 I used to say things before that I don't say now because they're just not 618 00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:42.679 helpful in that scenario. I won't give any examples cut that want to embarrass 619 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.239 myself, but you know I'm careful with the words that I say. I 620 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:46.960 want to be approachable. I mean, that's basically what it is. Yeah, 621 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.280 I want to be approachable. And so, guys, is your ministering 622 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.510 this capacity. I want to encourage you, but also would encourage you listen. 623 00:44:53.550 --> 00:44:57.789 If there's some things you can kind of really in a little bit, 624 00:44:57.949 --> 00:45:00.110 some things you can hone, some things you can take from the example of 625 00:45:00.190 --> 00:45:05.230 Jesus and apply those principles, do it and God will use you. And 626 00:45:05.750 --> 00:45:07.659 so with that I think we'll wrap this thing up. This is a blessing 627 00:45:07.820 --> 00:45:10.659 to share this with you guys, blessing that you guys are listening to this 628 00:45:10.820 --> 00:45:15.300 podcast. It'd be a real blessing if you would share this podcast, shared 629 00:45:15.380 --> 00:45:19.940 on Social Media and let folks know some of the things that you heard some 630 00:45:20.019 --> 00:45:22.409 of the things that were helpful. Let us know. Reach out to me 631 00:45:22.570 --> 00:45:25.409 deep parks at cities for lifecom. You can reach out to Vicky v CASSIE 632 00:45:25.449 --> 00:45:30.690 orgate cities for lifecom. Go to our sidewalks for life website. Hopefully we'll 633 00:45:30.690 --> 00:45:36.960 have an article up in a couple of days that talks about this and again, 634 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.280 hopefully this was a blessing encouragement to you guys, but until next time, 635 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:57.230 God bless me for love. Give me our loft for gratitude. I 636 00:45:57.590 --> 00:46:06.699 know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. And some met 637 00:46:06.900 --> you