How To Effectively Use Your Voice at the Abortion Center

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:07.200 One of the most effective single things that I think I say is after the 2 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:12.119 three talking points, pause and then, young lady, what would God have 3 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:17.760 you do? And I've had many people tell me that that was a statement 4 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:24.559 that made them leave. I Am Yours, I am yours, I'm yours. 5 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:30.719 And Me, Lord, I am yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome 6 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:36.159 to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage 7 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:40.000 and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the 8 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:49.600 Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt your pashed touch your heart. Yes, 9 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:56.479 Lord, use me. Lord. Hey, everyone, this is the gospel 10 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:00.640 centered pro life podcast. Yes, it is. I got it right, 11 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:03.920 you did, and I am here. I'm Vikikasi, York. I'm here 12 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:08.959 with Daniel Parks. Yeah, not much. Forget it. Let's I mean. 13 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:11.879 I'm not saying. I'm not saying what's up to you. I'm saying 14 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.519 what's up to the people. They're listening. We need to start all over. 15 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:23.120 Okay, all right. So this Um, this podcast, like Benny, 16 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:29.280 that we have developed, is hopefully an encouragement or will help to equip 17 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:33.040 you if you are out on the sidewalk, and this one, like many 18 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:38.439 of them, came when one of our counselors texted me and said that she 19 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:45.040 thought it was really valuable for us to go over just all of the things 20 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.560 we could come up with that would be tips, guidelines in how to speak 21 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:56.840 when calling out to the women on the sidewalk. So we we have often 22 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.799 talked about those sorts of things over various podcasts, but I don't think we've 23 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:07.280 ever pulled together in one podcast. What are all the things we could think 24 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:10.759 of that are useful things for a sidewalk counselor to know when they are calling 25 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:15.280 out to the people that at the sidewalk? Yeah, well, let's let's 26 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:19.080 get into it. You've got an article here, several bullet points. We 27 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.879 probably, we definitely won't go through all of the bullet points, but we'll 28 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:27.120 touch on some of the main ones. And just so we're clear, let's 29 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.159 define our terms calling out. We talk about this in our training. We 30 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:34.599 talked about this, I think, in just the Basic One oh one training 31 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.919 and we dig into it a little deeper in the one oh two training. 32 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:40.520 I believe you should know that. But either way we talk about it. 33 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.919 We've talked about in the PODCAST. But what are we talking about? We're 34 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:49.599 talking about raising our voices so as to be heard by those walking into the 35 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:53.039 abortion center. Some scenarios don't lend themselves to this. Our New York team, 36 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.120 they're right there on the sidewalk, literally can touch the front door of 37 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:00.639 the abortion center. Where they reach out at they're not going really, really 38 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:04.520 be doing a lot of calling out necessarily right. They're gonna be yelling at 39 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:07.080 people that are walking down the sidewalk, because that's what it can seem like. 40 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:08.199 Yelling. Now, I don't like to use the word yelling, but 41 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:14.360 it's what it is. Um but yelling has certain connotations. We're kind of 42 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:17.599 like angry or whatever in this context. We're raising our voice so it has 43 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:23.039 to be heard. And the TROUBE is where we use calling out a lot 44 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.159 went over the same way plant parenthood, the scenarios in which people are pulling 45 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:30.759 into a parking lot of the abortion center, they're walking from their car to 46 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.319 the door of the abortion center. You've got fifteen seconds. You're calling out, 47 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:36.919 you're not able to reach them. You're not to be right there in 48 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:39.240 front of them and talk one on one with a soft, calm voice. 49 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.759 You have to raise your voice right. There's some distance away generally and in 50 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.919 most facilities that that's the case. Yeah, and so, Um, one 51 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:53.560 of the most important things as we start out with this list of of general 52 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:59.879 speaking tips, is be friendly, winsome and uh, be friendly and winsome. 53 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.680 And the tone, and what I say is your tone will set the 54 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:08.919 tone. Your tone is crucial. You don't want to come across as just 55 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:15.400 an angry, lunatic, raving mad protester or whatever. You want to raise 56 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:20.319 your voice to be heard, but you want to be kind, you want 57 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:25.360 to be approachable in your tone and you can do that even if you've raised 58 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:30.680 your voice to be heard. You you can be gentle and kind and friendly. 59 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.399 Are the desires that they would come and talk to you ultimately, because 60 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:39.639 if you're calling out, the presumption is there a distance away and that's not 61 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.040 conducive to a good conversation. You want them to come over and approach you, 62 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:48.519 and so we believe you you really do have to be approachable for them, 63 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:53.399 for them to approach. And so this is like a key phrase to 64 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:58.600 remember. You guys that are listening. Calling out, the goal is not 65 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:03.079 just to deliver in from nation but to start a conversation right exactly. You're 66 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:08.199 delivering information. You're you're using the three talking points, and that's your next 67 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:11.439 point that you have in this article. Use the three talking points. You're 68 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:16.240 using those things, you're weaving them into that ten, fifteen second speech that 69 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:20.480 you're giving, as you're calling out. But you're not just delivering information, 70 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:26.319 you're give those three talking points and then give the invitation. Would you please 71 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:28.879 come over and talk to me right so it could go something like this. 72 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:31.800 Mama, your baby is precious, making the image of God. Your child's 73 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:35.279 heart is already beating. We have help and resources available to meet your needs. 74 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:39.160 Would you please come over and talk with me? And that's often all 75 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:43.480 the time you've had and you've got in all three of what we call the 76 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.560 main talking points. You got in all three of them, which are for 77 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.160 the thousandth time probably, if you listen to this podcast, much God, 78 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:54.759 resources and humanity of the baby, and you've got in all three of those 79 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.959 and we we do recommend you try and get all three of those in and 80 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.000 really every interaction, yeah, that that you have with with those moms. 81 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:04.279 But you see that I ended it with an invitation. I didn't just deliver 82 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:08.519 information, I did deliver some information, but that's not my only goal. 83 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:14.480 Essentially, what you're saying, based on these three important points, God loves 84 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:16.480 your baby, God has a good plan for you. Your baby is a 85 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:20.839 human being, imprecious, and we have resources for you based on that stuff. 86 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:25.319 Come over and talk with me. Again, you're giving an invitation, 87 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:29.360 not just delivering information, and hopefully they will and it. It may seem 88 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.000 like common sense if you're saying all this, you want them to come and 89 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.759 talk with you, but I think it is very wise to say please, 90 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:38.800 come and talk with me. Think so too, and it's very unwise, 91 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.959 if you were to do that, to end that with, please come and 92 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.920 talk to me, you feilthy murderer. And why is that, Daniel? 93 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.480 Because that can shut down the conversation before it even starts. And so your 94 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:54.720 next point here is not using condemning words. Now I will say we need 95 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:59.639 to be truthful and I'm not against, and we're we've never said anything against 96 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.319 using the word murder, talking about abortion being murder. It's just not the 97 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.439 first thing I'm going to start with right. I'M NOT gonna say don't murder 98 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:10.199 your baby and then go into the three talking points. I mean it's actually 99 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:12.839 one of the three talking points in a sense. Right it's calling it a 100 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.279 baby murder. That's a that's a moral terms based on what God's Word says. 101 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.879 Violation of the sixth commandment, for sure. So it's not that you 102 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:24.120 can't say that, it's just not the way I would start. And again, 103 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:28.199 you're, you're, you're, you're given an accusation rather than trying to 104 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:34.399 start that conversation right and and the reality is too. We did a whole 105 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:38.920 podcast. Should we use the word murder? But if you're using the word 106 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:44.160 murder and you know you're calling them a murderer, you're actually incorrect. If 107 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:46.560 they haven't had the abortion, they're not yet a murderer. Right now, 108 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:50.879 they're contemplating murder and you might say something to the effect of if you have 109 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:55.439 an abortion, you'll have murdered your baby like that. Think man, think 110 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:58.800 that's fine. I don't have a problem with that. I just don't like 111 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:05.360 the notion that Um accusing them of something. I don't like you. You 112 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.399 know I'll say this and I've seen God use this. Okay, we had 113 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.879 a situation recently with another man calling another man at the abortion center a coward 114 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.759 and you know, honestly, that's kind of my propensity. Right. How 115 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:26.079 would take more of that position of calling these men cowards, boys in men's 116 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.040 bodies, things like that. I've said that. I've done that, um, 117 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.480 but it's not gonna be my normal mode of operation. Right, I'm 118 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.440 that's not gonna be. If I do say those things, I'm gonna make 119 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.679 sure that it's what the Lord wants me to say and I'm still not gonna 120 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.080 lead with it. Right, if I was to call a man waiting in 121 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.519 the parking lot for his girlfriend to have the abortion a coward, I'm going 122 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:54.759 to do that in the conversation or in the context of a conversation or other 123 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.480 information that I've delivered first. So, based on these three talking points, 124 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:03.720 if you will go in there, you're a coward. I might say that, 125 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.919 but I'm still gonna be very, very careful not just to throw that 126 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.159 out there in some kind of cornal way. Yeah, I think that's really 127 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:15.399 important to make sure it's not your flesh talking because you're mad um, but 128 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:18.679 that the spirit has urging you that this person might need a little bit more 129 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:24.080 hard hitting comment. And usually if I work my way up to those sorts 130 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:30.120 of comments. It's that I the softer approach has maybe not worked. I've 131 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.360 seen them several times and at this point I feel like harder truths need need 132 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.799 to be expressed. Um, yeah, I mean I think generally speaking, 133 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.360 that's the flow of things. We're gonna get the harsher truths, like don't 134 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.480 murder your child, things like that, things that are gonna sting more. 135 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:50.080 It needs to be after the softer truths have been rejected. Right. Further 136 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.200 on in this article we talk about that it's always, if, if possible, 137 00:09:54.360 --> 00:10:00.720 pain to positive picture. That's kind of the opposite of what we naturally 138 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.960 want to do, which is called them coward, murderer, uh sinner, 139 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:09.600 whatever, um, but instead painting a positive picture. Again, if your 140 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.960 goal is that they're going to come and talk to you. People are much 141 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:18.039 more likely to come and talk with you if you are making them feel hopeful 142 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:26.120 and encouraged and in general, the more condemning sorts of name calling or anything 143 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:33.080 like that is not building hope or encouragement. It's almost more of causing the 144 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.519 guilt and shame to to come in. I do think there's a place for 145 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:43.159 guilt shame. Maybe not so much, but maybe sometimes Um, you know, 146 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.039 uh, if if they're about to murder their child, there there should 147 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.840 be a sense of shame for sure, but if you can paint a positive 148 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.120 picture, I will often say things like you can be the mom God designed 149 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.200 you to be, you can be the man God designed you to be, 150 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.559 you can be courageous. It's almost saying the same thing. Don't be a 151 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:07.919 coward, just flipping it to be you can be courageous, Um, so 152 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:15.840 that you're kind of inspiring them to be what God wants them to be in 153 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:20.360 a more positive way. Part of this list is developed, while all of 154 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:26.720 it really is developed through our experience. The we're listing things that we have 155 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:33.840 seen tend to be more effective than yeah, one practical point I'll mention here 156 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:39.279 so we don't move on beyond it, is one person calling out at a 157 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.480 time, no matter how good and how gracious and how kind, winsome and 158 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.559 great your tone is, if you've got three or four people calling out at 159 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.960 the same time out of your zeal, you know you're want to reach the 160 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.080 woman, the woman going into that place, and so you've got three people 161 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.720 calling out at the same time, people miss the forest for the trees. 162 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:00.840 If people are calling out all at the same time. You're not no one's 163 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.039 going to be hurt. It's just noise. Yeah, and so thinking of 164 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.559 ways that you know if you're if you're in a city other than Charlotte. 165 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.399 Of course, here in Charlotte we've thought through these ways. We have strategy 166 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.679 and all this stuff, and this stuff is pretty clear, but in other 167 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.120 cities maybe your brand new to this stuff. Thinking of ways if you're down 168 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.200 the sidewalk from each other and you really can't hear each other very clearly, 169 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:22.799 maybe hand signals. We have our hand up is what we've used in the 170 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.559 past. When someone's on the microphone and we want to call out with our 171 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:30.399 natural voice, we'll put our hand up and they'll shut the microphone down for 172 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.240 a second. We'll do calling out and then take it from there. Things 173 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:35.200 like that can help. I mean it's gonna Happen. It's gonna Happen where 174 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.080 people call out over each other. You just gotta be give grace to each 175 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.200 other. But you need to do our best not to call out over each 176 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:45.559 other. Right and when you're not speaking, there are other things you can 177 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.080 be doing. First of all, I stay focused. Don't get distracted by 178 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.440 talking with your teammates. We have said that a lot. But during the 179 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.240 times when you're not actively calling out, you should be in prayer. You 180 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:00.440 can be gathering clues about what you could be saying. You know, they 181 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.279 drive in with a car seat in the back. You can talk to the 182 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:07.159 fact that they have other children and the value of that child that they have 183 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:11.879 at home is the same in God's eyes as the value of the unborn child 184 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:16.320 whatever. So that time is not wasted when when you're not speaking, and 185 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.039 you do have to be careful to not fill it with just talking with your 186 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.399 teammates, because if you lose focus, you're gonna you're gonna Miss Things, 187 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.879 you're you're gonna Miss Miss the mom something that I don't always do, but 188 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:31.559 I do think it's important, is to use your name when you call out. 189 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.799 I will try to say hey, my name is Vicky, I'm here 190 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:39.519 with love life and we have hope and help for you. That's often how 191 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:43.919 I'll start. You personalize it, your your relationship, building what you're doing 192 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:50.320 exactly. Um, so, uh. Two of the words that are really 193 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:56.759 effective words calling out, free and help. Ye, these are effective words. 194 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:01.080 That's important words to call out. That's not you know, we're going 195 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.840 to call out a lot of gospel focused words as well in scripture, but 196 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.519 those two words were cited by many of the mothers that I work with who 197 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.480 have chosen life as two of the words that drew them over to us. 198 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:18.200 Yeah, so they're important to know. Free and help. Yeah, absolutely. 199 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.200 Yeah, you have here. If there's a more antagonistic per life group 200 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.440 on the side, wall a distance between you and them, and there can 201 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.279 be. Listen, God uses all kinds of people, um, and there 202 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:33.159 are people that are out there doing things that are not necessarily the love life 203 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:37.639 way. We don't pretend that our way is. We think it's the best 204 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.440 way. UNT pretend it's not the best way. We do believe it this, 205 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:46.120 yeah, we do, but we don't pretend it's the only we don't 206 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.919 pretend that it's the only thing that God can use. God uses the harsh 207 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.840 message and the soft message. I think we have a balance between both, 208 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:56.639 but there are some people that have a propensity towards more of the harsh stuff. 209 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.240 I've seen God use it, but there is times when it gets over 210 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:05.080 the top and you really got to distance yourself from it and it's best not 211 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.159 to. You know, if you can, if you can just gravitate away 212 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.399 from it. You don't have to make a big scene out of it, 213 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:15.639 a big show. We're leaving because you're too loud or you're to this or 214 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.480 to that. Just put yourself a little bit further down the street if you're 215 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:22.840 able to, if you can address it with the other group and reason with 216 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.159 them. Hey, this is actually not very helpful. We've been out here 217 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:31.399 for years or months or whatever. We've seen it's actually more effective if we 218 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:33.799 do it this way. If you can reason with them in that way, 219 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.799 then try to do that. Do that across the street or over coffee or 220 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:39.960 something like that. Don't do that in front of the pro aborts or in 221 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:41.720 front of the women going into the abortion center. We don't want to argue 222 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:46.320 methodology in front of the abortion center. Um, but if you can't do 223 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.559 anything about it, then distancing yourself can be can be helpful. Yeah, 224 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.200 and in fact that was one of the things that we list on. This 225 00:15:54.279 --> 00:16:00.919 is is don't argue Um and and don't don't approach those people that you disagree 226 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.320 with right there. Do it later somewhere else, not not in front of 227 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.639 the women. Use An unamplified voice, if at all possible. It's more 228 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:15.159 personal to speak with your normal voice, not over a microphone or whatever. 229 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.080 But if you are going to use a microphone, keep it brief, and 230 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:25.080 I really want to emphasize that because I know when I get on the microphone 231 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:30.840 I get on a roll. I like I there's this whole wonderful message I 232 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:37.720 suddenly feel compelled to give, but it becomes background noise if it goes on 233 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.679 too long. And we really all need to be careful make your these are 234 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:47.080 women in crisis. They are not going to be able to follow complex thought. 235 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.759 They they're struggling and we need to keep our thoughts brief, to the 236 00:16:52.919 --> 00:17:00.960 point and Um, and get on and get off. You know, in 237 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.160 fact, I think you've said maybe five minutes. Five minutes seems to be 238 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.799 a good amount of time, and then give time for them, give space 239 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:10.599 for them to process it. Yeah, yeah, because if you just go 240 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:15.160 long winded, Um, like Vicky tends to do, and it just becomes 241 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.039 White Annis. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. I'll probably do it more 242 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.000 than you do I get on the microphone. But yeah, we do need 243 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:23.680 to discline ourselves to do better at that. Um, five minutes. I 244 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:27.680 think is a good a good time frame. Give five minutes, let him 245 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:32.640 process it another five minutes, maybe ten minutes later or something. Again, 246 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:34.799 these are not hard and fast rules. That are just general ideas, things 247 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:40.920 that we've seen from experience to be most effective. Um, and you know, 248 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.240 like you said, we're not going to lay out a three point message 249 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:48.799 and connect all these theological dots for them. Yeah, stick to the three 250 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:52.279 talking points. Stick to what God says about the baby and about the mother, 251 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.880 about the situation. Talk about the humanity of the baby. You can 252 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:59.920 even get into describing abortion procedures. That can be helpful. You don't want 253 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:03.759 to just get unnecessarily gory, but just give the details of it are enough. 254 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:08.880 Yeah, and then give Um resources and how here we would always say 255 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.160 come on board the Mobultra sound, you know, and I would say even 256 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.960 after using the microphone, if that's what you're gonna do, you still want 257 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.799 to give an invitation to come over. I always will say when I'm on 258 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.440 the microphone and are amplified sound is a good bit away from the area of 259 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.160 engagement, Um, but I always will say there's women out here that would 260 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.200 love to talk with you. Vicky's here. I'll name out the folks. 261 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.640 Vicky's standing out here, UM, Kathleen standing out you should love to talk 262 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:37.440 and pray with you, and just trying to give them that invitation to that 263 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:41.960 reason to come from the parking lot out to the sidewall. Yeah, yeah, 264 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:47.000 don't be afraid to use scripture and biblical truths. That is ultimately what 265 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:51.599 does change hearts. So we want to don't shy away from that. Even 266 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:55.279 if you're in a like a liberal community where, you know, maybe there 267 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:59.640 aren't a lot of believers, I still would not shy away from scripture. 268 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.079 It is the power of God to save. So use scripture. Um, 269 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.720 I would say. I would reward it and say not only don't be afraid 270 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:14.279 to use it, absolutely use scripture. Be Bold and confident with Biblical truth. 271 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:21.079 One of the most effective single things that I think I say is after 272 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:26.519 the three talking points, pause and then, young lady, what would God 273 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:32.160 have you do? And I've had many people tell me that that was a 274 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:37.440 statement that made them leave because, you know, they know, they know 275 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:38.880 what God would have them do. So that that's really, I think, 276 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:45.160 important and I do want to reiterate that point. The previous point you talked 277 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:49.720 about using amplified sound versus unamplified voice. Just so that people don't miss that 278 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:55.160 what you said. If you have to use amplified sound, because you know 279 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.640 some of our clinics Carlson nation, they're on a busy road and they need 280 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.759 to amplify their voices because it's hard to get over to the traffic noise. 281 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:07.599 Praise God for the technology that we have used amplified sound, but it is 282 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:10.920 more personal if you don't amplify your voice. You think about it in that 283 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:14.599 in that sense, when you're on a microphone, you've got a speaker, 284 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.960 it's like you're speaking at them. If you don't have that barrier, that 285 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.440 electronic barrier, between you and them, it's it's more like you're speaking to 286 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.440 them. That makes sense. It definitely makes sense, and it's the same 287 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:32.640 thing with a megaphone. That definitely makes you look like a cheerleader and but 288 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:36.079 sometimes you have to. I definitely have to if if I'm going to be 289 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:40.960 heard and I need to be heard. But whenever possible, speak in a 290 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.559 normal tone of voice and get them to cut. That's why it's so important 291 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.240 to invite them over, to get them to come and talk with you. 292 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:52.200 Yeah, Um, let's see, we have a whole lot on this list. 293 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.640 So that you all know, we do have an article that accompanies this 294 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.440 and you can read through this list, because we're not going to go through 295 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:03.200 every one of them. But something that I think is really critical don't give 296 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.559 up. Don't give up. It is so easy to think I've already called 297 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.759 out to them twice. Well, that may be, but if they're standing 298 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:18.519 there on the porch or whatever and they can still hear your voice, don't 299 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:23.799 give up. The next thing you say might be the thing that tips the 300 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:27.839 scale. Yeah, I'm thinking about a young lady that we that chose life 301 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:30.480 like eight years ago. You just mentioned her today. I won't mention her 302 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:37.599 name, but you remember we interviewed her and one of like important part of 303 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.960 her testimony was the persistence of the counselors that were out there. She said 304 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:47.079 she went in and out like seven or eight times and she was astounded at 305 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:51.519 the fact that every time she went out and every time you went out to 306 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:55.359 her car from the abortion center and every time she walked back in from her 307 00:21:55.359 --> 00:22:00.599 car to the abortion center, someone addressed her and she appreciated that and it 308 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:03.839 actually broke through the hardness of her heart. We can we contend to think 309 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:08.200 we're just we're just making them angry. Now there does come a point when 310 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.079 they tell you to F off and they tell you to shut your mouth. 311 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.519 It's best maybe to sting him with a little bit of truth after that, 312 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:19.359 but just leave them alone, because you don't want to unnecessarily poke the bear 313 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:22.279 if they've closed their heart. Like Jesus said, if you go into a 314 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.400 city and they don't receive you, knocked the dust off your feet. Move 315 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.039 On. If someone says F off and stop talking to me, it's kind 316 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:32.440 of like that. Knock the dust off your feet and move on to the 317 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:37.960 next person, Um. But until they do that, I would say keep 318 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:42.400 pressing in, keep calling out, keep engaging with keep inviting them to come 319 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:48.079 over and talk with you. Totally agree, and I make them have to 320 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:52.599 tell you stop talking. Don't don't just assume they're sick of you. Let 321 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.279 them prove it. Yeah, exactly, Um. There have been so many, 322 00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:02.400 so many times when I have pursued some one literally, sometimes running after 323 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.920 them Um up the street when they had been so antagonistic, and that last 324 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:14.680 little effort is what changed their heart and I think what you're showing them, 325 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:19.599 is what I'm saying, is so important. I it is worth me risking 326 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:26.359 your wrath because your baby is that valuable. So I think you're you're making 327 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:34.440 that point just by your by your persistence. Um, let's see. How 328 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:38.720 about if they don't feel like talking, sometimes I'll say that if you don't 329 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:44.559 feel like talking, then just come get our free information and Um, and 330 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.839 I promise you, and then I have to keep that promise. I'm not 331 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.920 going to badge you anymore. I won't talk with you, but but just 332 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:55.160 come get the literature, because the literature can do the talking for you. 333 00:23:55.279 --> 00:24:00.200 Then another important point, and this kind of gives along the lines, that 334 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.200 invitation. You're not just delivering information, but you're giving an invitation. Please 335 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:07.200 come over and talk with me, or would you come over and let me 336 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.079 pray with you? A lot of times people that would reject a conversation would 337 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:15.359 not reject prayer. And you know, you never know if they will until 338 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.599 you ask, would you come over and talk with us, or would you 339 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.440 let us just pray with you? And then, of course, when you 340 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:26.480 get an opportunity to pray with them, you're you're gonna pray with them and 341 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:30.279 for them, but also pray at them and pray the truths of God's word, 342 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.400 pray the truth about their baby, God's love for them and for their 343 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.640 baby. So something like father, I pray for this young man. I 344 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.880 pray that you would help him to see the value of his child, help 345 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:42.440 him to have courage to go in there and get his girlfriend out of there 346 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:45.839 and help him to see that you've made provision for him and for his baby, 347 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.400 for his girlfriend, for his wife or whatever. That's how I might 348 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:52.279 pray at him, praying truths, reminding him of the Truth and the value 349 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:56.559 of his baby and praying some courage into him, like you can go in 350 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:00.000 there and get her out. So the things I might say to him directly, 351 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.119 one on one, I'm actually asking the Lord to speak to his heart, 352 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.680 and so it's it's a way, for lack of a better term, 353 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:10.839 to pray at them. Yeah, I agree. Um, something that happened 354 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:12.839 today that I really do want to speak about. It's not on this article, 355 00:25:12.920 --> 00:25:18.519 but it was miraculous and I think it will help a lot of you, 356 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:25.559 because many people are facing pretty aggressive opposition on the sidewalk and in here 357 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.880 in Charlotte and I've seen it elsewhere. What happens is a mom will stop 358 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:34.359 to engage with us and right away the opposition is just circling US and right 359 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:41.200 there and saying don't talk to them, they lie Um, they're just protesters. 360 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.359 And that happened today with one of the most vocal of the opposition. 361 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:52.200 I was by the car window and she was right behind me and she was 362 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.640 screaming at the top of her lungs telling this woman who is abortion minded, 363 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:03.200 just drive in Lee don't talk to her. Sometimes she's so loud. When 364 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:07.799 that happens, and I think this is common, we just don't want to 365 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.519 add to the noise and we sometimes then are quiet, waiting for a moment 366 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:15.880 when she takes a breath to speak. I didn't do that today. Today 367 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:21.279 I thought I am not going to seed this ground to the devil and I 368 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:26.880 just kept looking at woman right in her eyes and delivering my what I wanted 369 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.920 her to hear. Just kept talking with her, speaking truth. What would 370 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.400 God have you do? Are you a believer? We have help. I 371 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.960 know you don't really want to come in this place and take your child's life. 372 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:41.880 Please would you just pull over and let me talk with you and to 373 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:48.000 my shock, she did, and this was a definitely an actively abortion minded 374 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:52.079 woman. So it goes along with what we said. Don't give up, 375 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:56.240 but also don't be afraid. We said don't talk over our teammates. I 376 00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.200 agree with that. You never should unless there's a really compelling reason, but 377 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:08.160 I do think sometimes we do need to out talk the opposition because their voice 378 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:15.720 is pleading for death. Our voice maybe the only voice pleading for life, 379 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:22.160 and trust that God can miraculously open someone's ears to that voice. What you're 380 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:29.759 not saying is don't turn around and screaming her face. There, very good 381 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:34.119 point. I don't speak to her at all. I just try to pretend 382 00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:38.519 she's not there, that I'm not hearing what she's saying, and I just 383 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:44.920 keep speaking as I would have spoken had she not shown up. So it 384 00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:49.000 doesn't always work. It did today, which which empowers me then and encourages 385 00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:52.960 me to keep doing that. 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