June 4, 2020
Helping Abortion-minded Women Trust the Lord - Part 1

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As pro-life ministers, we're fighting an uphill battle in trying to convince an abortion-minded woman to trust the Lord rather than abortion. The scripture does give us some wisdom on this subject. Join Vicky and Daniel as they share from the...
As pro-life ministers, we're fighting an uphill battle in trying to convince an abortion-minded woman to trust the Lord rather than abortion. The scripture does give us some wisdom on this subject. Join Vicky and Daniel as they share from the scriptures and their experiences on the subject of trust.
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I am yours. I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life
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podcast and this episode we're going to
talk about trust. When we encounter an
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abortion minded woman, she has put
her trust in abortion. It's our job
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to help her take that trust out
of abortion and put it in the Lord.
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But how do we, as pro
life ministers, do that? We
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believe the scripture has a lot to
say about this, so stick with us.
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I felt show passis touch your welcome
to the Gospel Center pro life podcast.
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WHO This podcast is a blessing to
you. We're going to talk about
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trust today. It's an important issue
and of course we're going to talk about
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it and lie of the ministry that
we're involved in on a regular basis,
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which is sidewall counseling. But I
think this, this rings true and the
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things we're going to talk about ring
true. And really, any ministry be
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involved in, when you're dealing with
abortion minded women and people just in difficult
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situations, trust is always an issue, right. I mean whether you're talking
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about again abortion, mind of women
or even just marital issues and mom and
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dad to their kids, kind of
issues, any issue, trust is a
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big deal and in the scripture it's
also an important deal. Right, there's
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all kinds of scripture. We're going
to get into some of those that talk
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about trust, but let me kind
of set the stage where what we're talking
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about, because again we're primarily talking
about in a sidewalk counseling realm or maybe
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even in a pregnancy center or some
other kind of prolife ministry, is we're
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talking about the trust, and this
is kind of what we come up against,
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that a woman has in abortion,
in the abortion industry, and what
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I mean by that is that she's
put a certain level of trust in abortion
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to fix her situation right, and
she's trusting abortion to make the relationship with
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her boyfriend better or husband better,
to calm the storm that's going on in
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her life. She's put her trust
in abortion and thereby put her trust in
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the abortion industry. Right. That
seems to be that's what's going to change
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her life and make it all right
again. Yeah, it's what we've got
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to do, and this is a
dynamic that I thought would be a blessing
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to you guys to understand, is
we've got to try, as sidewalk counselors,
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as prolife pregnancy center counselors. We've
got to try to counsel these women
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and to take in that investment,
if you will, of trust out of
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the abortion clinic, out of the
abortion industry, out of abortion, and
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put that trust in, you know, in us, but really in the
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Lord. Right. Basically we're trying
to gain their trust. Right, if
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they did it, because if they
don't put their trust initially in us over
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the abortion center, there's no reason
to listen to us. No one listens
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to someone they don't trust. Yeah, so our goal is, of course,
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to transfer that trust ultimately to God, but first of all they they
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have to feel they will trust us
enough to hear what we have to say.
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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So
what are some of the challenges than
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that we're dealing with? We're coming
up against some challenges and we're at a
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pretty grave disadvantage, especially standing in
front of an abortion clinic. Yeah,
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we really are coming to the abortion
center, right, right. What are
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some of the challenge? Yeah,
well, I looked on the website of
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our local, very busy abortion center
and here is the first big challenge.
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So these women don't go looking for
sidewalk counselors that can write, that can
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give them an another, you know, different option other than we're not coming
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to the abortion clinic because they're hoping
to sidewall counselor will be there right right.
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Have had people come because they knew
they knew that the mobile unit would
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be there. They knew it would
be would be out there right right.
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We praise God for that. But
primarily they're not coming to the abortion clinic
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because they want to encounter us right, coming for abortion, right exactly.
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And and so so let's look at
how the abortion center first of all presents
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themselves. Ye, to because in
order to gain gain their trusts. This
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this is a quote from the website
of the abortion center. Our physicians are
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some of the most experienced abortion providers
in the southeast. Our staff has provided
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abortion care to over a hundred thousand
patients during the past twenty years. Yeah,
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as though that something to brag about. Right. Honestly, it is.
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Okay. Registered nurses and medical assistants
with years of abortion experience compliment and
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assist are very experienced medical staff.
Many of our counselors have backgrounds in psychology,
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social work and medical office environments.
All of our councilors are sincere,
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caring women who are committed to helping
each individual patient complete their treatment with the
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best possible emotional, spiritual and physical
spiritual alms. Yeah, you know,
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a word comes to mind as you
read all of that. Yeah, and
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I hope I don't have to beat
this out. BULLCRAT. That's bullcrap.
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We who know what really happens.
But just look at let's just examine.
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Yeah, their language in good luck, this is some excellent language. They
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know what they're doing where. We
don't want to underestimate the the craftiness of
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the abortion center. They are very
good, of course, at at drawing
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people in and into trusting them.
Yeah, so, well, this is
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what we have to understand to is
that we're dealing with again, a a
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for profit company. Right, well, plant parent, who it's not?
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They say they're not for profit,
but they make make off of killing children.
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GO MONEY ON UM number. We
know that. So we're dealing with
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that. And so I say that
so that people understand. These are salesmen
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and these are sale is tactics,
and and a sales tactic is to gain
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people's trust. Yeah, boy,
Hey, we have this amount of experience.
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Yeah, yeah, and and something
that a lot of people don't know.
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I certainly didn't know this until some
of the abortion workers who left confided
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in me and talked with me and
told me that they have quotas at the
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call center, quotas for how many
abortions they have to book or they're retaught.
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Okay, they're re edguy condition and
then ultimately fired if they don't meet
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their quota of abortions. I mean, how sick is that? Yeah,
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well, sounds like it's broads.
Yeah, because again, you're talking about
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a business that makes a lot of
money off would right, right. So
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notice how their building trust in their
prospective clients. They paint this rosy picture
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of time tested success. Yeah,
twenty years, why you have killing hundred
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thousand babies. Yeah, and this
is a glowing recommendation, because they know
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what they're doing. Apparently. In
this business, the doctors are described as
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experienced, the staff are are described
as caring, sincere, committed to helping
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and the best possible outcomes. So
all that language, not once does it
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describe what happens in an abortion.
Of course not. Nowhere on the website
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can you find the abortionist name and
look up the record of the abortionists.
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Right nowhere. Even if you call
an ass they do mean in one sense,
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they're talking about their providers, in
their you know, abortionists, in
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their staff and all of that.
You got to take our we're for it,
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because they're not going to. This
is what the abortion clinics convey and
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you got to take our word for
it that these people are experienced, because
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we're not going to tell you who
they are. Right. So they are
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actually come into the room, right
and any abortion and you get the idea
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that maybe, maybe, you know
you're getting this really wonderful, compassionate doctor.
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Yeah, but what do we learn
from this, though, as we're
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thinking about okay, we're dealing with
women in crisis situation, right, yeah,
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and anybody in a crisis situation you're
looking for something to grab hold of,
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you're looking for some kind of hope, you're looking for some kind of
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remedy, you're looking for some were
or somebody that you can go to to
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help make the situation better. So
that's really scared and you're scared and you
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know it hurts because you've heard from
your friends, so you know it hurts.
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So so the picture of their painting
is one that is designed to damp
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in their fears and paint a picture
that is not at all scary, not
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at all paint well it least.
You know, in one sense, the
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abortion industry is playing on the fear
of the future, the fear of having
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a baby, the fear of all
of this, and trying to say well,
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after all, having an abortion.
I mean that's the picture that the
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abortion industry paints and some of them, I've heard pro choice people say this.
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It's less invasive to have an abortion
procedure than it is to have a
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baby. So, you know,
trust abortion, trust the abortion industry,
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because all your fears will be taken
away, all the things and anxiety that
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you have your fast Cera Lot come
best possible comes spiritually, yeah too.
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So how can we take what they
have put there, HMM, and use
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that? Now, I'm not saying
that we use the enemies tactics, but
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I am saying is within this language, is sort of what we recognize as
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how we, as human beings,
would communicate to someone who's in a crisis
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like we want to let them know
that we have experience in dealing with their
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issues. We want to let them
know that you, in one sense,
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okay, you've got chaos going on
in your life and we got some solutions
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for you. Right. Yeah,
and in one sense, you know,
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that's what a sidewalk counsel is,
that's what a pregnancy center counselor is is.
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We're trying to counsel them through a
situation. We're trying to show them
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that there are solutions and that there
is ultimately, from our perspective, a
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God that they can trust to carry
through with this situation and bring about the
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best possible outcome. Right. And
and so the abortion center, of course,
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knows we have a solution that is
not abortion, and they they know
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that we're effective at it. So
we have another layer, though, that
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we have to first overcome, not
only the language that they have read and
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the counseling they've received from the abortion
center, but they tell them there will
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be protesters, called protesters. They
they tell them just drive past, don't
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talk to them, that they tell
them that we're mean. I had someone
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come and say I was so surprised
you, you're nice that they told me
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you really mean and angry, and
that wasn't what she saw, which is,
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by the way, answers in part
your question. We have to counter
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that's another one of the her right. Right, we encounter that's another one
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of the things that we have to
overcome. Yeah, know the fact that
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the abortion industry has this language and
has encouraged now, hey, we have
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these these wonderful providers. All that, the fact that the abortion industry is
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told them the people on the sidewalk
or just a bunch of angry, mean
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protesters. That's that's something else that
we've got right to counter. Right the
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we've had some of the pro choice
people, quote are quote, per choice
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people say that, you know,
you lie to the women. You show
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them ultrasounds of Squirrel fetus their feet
and that was a good so they've lied
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to these women. So we've got
all we've got a pretty big challenge,
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especially with sidewall counselors, but even
in a pregnancy center context, there's challenges
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there because again you're dealing with a
woman who's afraid, who thinks, at
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least in some measure, that abortion
might be a solution for her. And
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you've got a contrast really, and
that's what we're doing. We're contrasting God's
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way, yeah, with their way
right. We're contrasting God's way, the
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right way, the hard way,
yeah, with the world's way. The
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world is into quick fix solutions,
take appeal, solve your problems. Just
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go and have this five minute procedures. Solve your problem, and God's way
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is trust me, and it doesn't
seem clear where things are going to lead
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it. Ultimately you're trusting in God, right, and it's kind of like
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you're in a storm. This is
how I describe it when I'm talking to
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women at the abortion clinic or talking
to men. You're in a storm and
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there's this storm of life, and
we're going to get into a little bit
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of scripture talking about the storm and
talking about disciple being in the storm.
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But you're in the storm and you
can't see that there's a shore on the
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other side of that storm. Is
You're paling this boat of life, and
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we encourage them. There's a God
that's over it all. It sees from
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above the storm and he's calling you
to trust him. And so that's the
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message we're trying to convey. But
again we've got some challenges that coming up
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again, very limited time and so
well, that's another challenge, right,
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and that tells you, see,
have time and did time. We sometimes
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only have as much as ten to
fifteen seconds to begin to build that trust
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but one of the things, as
you were speaking, that I believe is
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perhaps very important in any difficult situation
when you've got choices to make, is
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to label the problem. And the
problem here really is who are you gonna
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Trust? And I think sometimes just
being very I've heard you over the microphone
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say this many times to them.
Who are you going to trust? Are
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you going to trust God, or
are you going to trust your own solutions
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that has brought you to the worst
place on earth that you possibly could be
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and never wanted to be? And
so labeling the problem, that this is
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a problem of trust and and pointing
out their alternatives, what you just did.
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You can trust God, or you
can trust the abortion industry, or
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you can trust the abortion yeah,
to and ultimately, of course, we
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know it's trusting the devil, it's
trussing the enemy exactly their soul and sat
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me of their baby. Yeah,
yeah. Well, one of the in
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my mind is I'm thinking about the
hurdles that we have to overcome, some
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of the issues that we have to
deal with and and what we're up against.
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And we're trying to convince an abortion
minded mom not not even just to
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choose life, but just to come
over and talk with us. Is the
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fact that she's already engaged. I
mean I think there's, you know,
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within pregnancy centers are certain language they
use. They talk about abortion minded women,
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abortion determined women. I think in
one sense we're dealing with at an
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abortion clinic is we're dealing with an
abortion engaged woman, like she's engaged in
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the very act, like you can't
get more close than being at an abortion
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clinic to actually having an abortion.
Her eyes are straight on that building which
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someone is going to take the life
of her baby and she had so many
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times women have told me I agree
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an appointment. Yeah, they're focuses. I've got an appointment and that appointment
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is with death and nothing is going
to determine so she's headed toward the abortion
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said when they encounter us. Yeah, they're headed toward the abortion center.
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They have their money in their hand
YEP, and they've already gone through the
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counseling stuff over the phone off and
so called counseling circle. Counsel. Trust
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the abortion inst to give a good
day. Hey, they're good spiritual counsel.
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He is ridiculous, but anyway,
they they've gone through that, they've
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got their money in their hand,
they've been told there's these angry protesters.
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Don't stop for them. So really, I'm just paying the picture, guys.
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So the you understand, we're up
against a pretty difficult challenge there.
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Yet the miracle is that anyone ever
chooses life, and I mean that's when
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you're are, when someone even stops
and talk exactly takes our literature or sue.
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You know, I say that not
to scare people off and not to
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say that we aren't effective out there. We certainly are. We've seen God
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do amazing things. Yeah, but
the first and foremost set the stays that
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we understand. This is why we
train our sidewalk counselors. Most importantly,
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that you need to be walking with
God, like the we need God on
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our side. We need God to
do the work, we need God to
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move their hearts, we need God
to speak to their hearts. Yeah,
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and God does it. We see
amazing things, but we also, I
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think, practically because we're up against
so many challenges, because there's a trust
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at these women have already placed in
the abortion industry, and the abortion industry
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is already told them not to trust
us that we need to be intentional and
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careful in the way that we carry
ourselves and the way that we talk.
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Like I don't want listen. I'm
not crafting the things that I say and
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things that I don't say based on
what the abortion industry says. So I'm
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not saying that we need to base
what we say and how we do ministry
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on the word of God. Primarily, right, that has to be our
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our central source for information, the
word of God. So I'm not saying
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that we leave the word of out, out of the equation. I know
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there are some people that say that
we shouldn't be talking about God until some
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certain point. We should mention scripture
because it might, you know, stop
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them from coming and talk to US
whatever. I think that's a ridiculous notion
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anyway, because most of the people
going into the abortion clinic, clinic coming
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for abortions, will quote scripture to
you. Right, that shall not judge.
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Yeah, that time, and you're
you know, in one sense,
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when you're quote scripture, you're reminding
them of things that they have known in
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their past. They've been in church, they've been exposed to things in the
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Bible belt. Yeah, absolutely.
Anyway, I say all that, it's
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a still yet we do need to
be careful not to reinforce some of the
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stuff the abortion clinic or the pro
choice people have told them. Yeah,
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for example, we need to make
sure the information that we convey is correct
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information, absolutely now to make sure
that they do not ever catch us in
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a life. For one thing,
it dishonors God to lie, but for
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another it just kind of supports what
they are saying, reinforces what they you
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know, quote pro choice people with
the pro abortion people have told them what
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the abortion clinic is told them.
You know, they show them pictures of
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squirrel fetuses. They lie to them
and tell them their baby is fully formed
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at, you know, six weeks
or whatever. So we need to make
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sure that we're not doing that right. But we do need to convey information
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right. Again, it needs to
be accurate information right. It needs to
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be in such a way where,
again, we're not like, okay,
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I'll give you an example. I've
heard people say on our sidewalk not are
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not cities for life people, because
they because we're perfect. We're not.
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But I'm telling you, I would
correct this right away, but I've heard
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people say they've got a fifty five
gallon drum of dead babies in the back
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of that abortion clinic? Ever heard? Somebody said, I have heard stuff
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like that, but not from us. Yeah, yeah, like, no,
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they don't. Actually they don't have
a few, but know if they
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did, because we're not allowed in
there anyway, right. But I mean
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we've seen them take the boxes of
that, you know, the baby,
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dead babies out, which is a
grievous thing. Yeah, and so you
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might say they have. They put
the babies in biohazard bag and thrown away
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you. We do say that that's
true, but just what you're trying to
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do is you're trying, in one
sense, to manipulate the facts and and
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bring a picture to the mine,
and which I understand that we need to
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use words, we need to bring
pictures to their mind. We need to
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be talking about the violence of abortion
when appropriate, when necessary. We certainly
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do. But then bellish on that
just chips away at any trust that we
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would normally have, because any reasonable
minded person would know they don't have a
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fifty five gallon drum a dead babies
in the back of the right clinic.
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And really the first picture that we
paid for them as us our face are
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demeanor, our tone, those are
all so critical in building trust. If
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we look trustworthy, we speak respectfully, gently, kindly, we convey that
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we are someone who can be trusted. So it before we ever open our
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mouth to speak, which I believe
very strongly we must do. Yeah,
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but just are very fact that we're
waving and smiling as they come in and
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looking approachable is kind of, I
think, the first step. Yeah,
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and what that does is it chips
away at what the abortion clinic is right,
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because the abortion clinic is told them
there's going to be a bunch of
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angry people out there yelling at you
and calling you a murderer. Yeah,
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and when what they encounter is something
very different. Yeah, then they begin.
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And we've had women like you just
shared who've told us. Well,
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they said you're like this, but
you're not, and so I'm glad I
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came over and talk to you.
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So we want to you know again, we're not crafting what we say
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and thinking about what we say and
what we do based on what the abortion
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industry styes, we're doing it out
of our love for God, our love
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for people. What we see in
the scripture. Right, right, right.
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But if what we done, what
we do, really shows that what
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the abortion industry, what the abortion
clinic is told them is untrue, it
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helps, it helps to take some
of the trust, yeah, that they
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put in the abortion clinic and to
invest that trust in at least hearing what
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we have to say. Right,
so great. So our information needs to
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be truthful. Yes, it does. That's very important, and it needs
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to be spiritually accurate as well.
It needs to quote the Bible. Yeah,
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curately is yeah, anyboy in scripture
and use and to use the words,
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and I've got a whole slew,
yeah, of verses that are about
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trust, that that the the Bible
has to say, that God has to
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say about trust. With this be
good time for you to mention some of
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us. So I won't go through
all of them, because we will.
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Let me combat something. Or here's
another level of of issues that we have
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to deal with. Okay. Something
we're up against is that you have the
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world's way. You know, the
Bible says there is a way that seems
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right to man, kind of that
way of death. So you have the
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world's way, its system, its
system of thinking. Yes, what does
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the world say about trust. Think
about it. Think. What is the
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Hollywood mantra? Trust your heart,
you trust your heart. Trust your heart.
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Yeah, follow your feeling, not
bit. Yeah, cool, trust
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your heart because your heart will lead
you. That's a that. Listen,
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the Bible says directly the opposite of
that. Does says, if you trust
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your heart, guess where you end
up? In places of death. Yeah,
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follow your heart and you'll follow it
right to an abortion. Yeah,
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people come to abortion clinics because they
follow their heart. That's right. The
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heart is deceptive above all else,
the Bible says. Who can know it?
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So if the heart is deceptive above
all else, well then don't trust
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your heart. But what, what
do you trust? You're falling heart and
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it's going to lead you to an
abortion clinics. Anyway. I say that
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to say that we're up against that. We're up against people that are following
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their heart. We're up against society
that says follow your heart. Yeah,
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that's another level of like complications and
issues that we have to come up against.
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And so that's what again, selfishness, yeah, which is Putt of
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men. That whole plays on the
whole idea. Follow your heart. Why?
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Because you're the most important thing.
Yeah, this is what for number
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one, this is what I hear
that out of time. This is what's
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best for me, not the thought
about what might be best for they.
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And if you know you have that
sort of mindset and if you've your mindset
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and your life has been crafted by
the ideas of the world and follow your
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heart just seems natural. So we're
up against human nature, which is has
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that propensity towards send and selfishness.
Right, so we're up against that as
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well. Yeah, and I think
again people need to understand what we're up
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against, not to discourage us,
but to encourage us, that we have
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tools in God's word that we can
use, because God's word, the Bible
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says of itself, God's word,
is alive, active and sharper than need
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two edged sword, he brews and
twelve, alive, active and sharper than
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any two edged sword. It says
it's able to pierce the divide even between
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soul and spirit, joint and marry. So what it's talking about is God's
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words ability to get in and to
do a surgeon's job. God's word will
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cut through the mass, it will
cut through the lies, it'll cut through
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the bull crap, yeah, full
crap and get right to it. And
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that's why we cannot, as sidewall
counselors, as pregnancy center counselors, neglect
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the word of God. We cannot
neglect the word of God. Now,
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that doesn't mean that we need to
be constantly throwing Bible verses at people.
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Understand you know, there's we don't
want to do that, Shoven the Gospel
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downs people's throat through whatever. But
everything that we say needs to be informed
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by and seasoned with the word of
God and we ought to be quote in
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scripture. We ought to be saying, well, understand, your situation is
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such, but you know, the
Bible says this. Right, he called
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word tells us. I know your
situation is difficult, but Psalm Forty six
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one tells us God is a refuge
in strength, a very present help in
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trouble. Right, and what you
said undergirding everything that we do and say.
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So we may not even be quoting
all these scriptures about trust. I
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don't know that I quote them very
often about trust itself, but when I
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have that scripture in my heart and
I'm familiar with it and I know what
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the Bible says about trust, I
am more able to then go forth and
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know how to help them to trust
in God. Yeah, altimate. Yeah,
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because you know, it's believers.
We need to have assurance in the
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Lord that we can. You know, you can't give what you don't have
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exactly. And so if you're trying
to convey to an abortion amounted woman,
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a woman at an abortion clinic,
that she needs to trust God, if
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you don't have trust in him right
yourself right, you can have a hard
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time convinced her to trust the Lord. So you should be sure of God's
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word yourself and of course, if
you're a believer, you are in God's
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helping you more and more to trust
him. Yeah, but we need to
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be in God's Word on regular basis, and I want to encourage people with
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too, and this is what we
encourage our sidewalk counselors here with. You
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got to be in constant fellowship with
the Lord, because this Ministry is not
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a ministry you're going to be able
to do out of your own strength.
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You're not going to be able to
do it out of your own wisdom and
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the world's wisdom. As much as
medical science might be on our on our
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side, and it is Yep,
medical science is not going to change a
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human heart that's bent on doing something
very selfish. It never says in the
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Bible that I could find trust in
medical science. Never. No, I'm
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not saying that medical science, again, is not on our side. It
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is. It is, and I'm
not saying that it's not a tool that
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we can use. We certainly can. That's one of our what we call
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our three talking points when we're taught, when we're teaching side what counsels is
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fetal development. We get that from
medical science, right, right. The
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humanity of the baby can be proven
scientifically. Exactly. Yeah, but what
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does that even matter? If you
think about it, what does the humanity
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of the baby even matter if God's
not brought into the equation? You're just
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talking about killing another animal anyway.
Yeah, so God has to be brought
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into the equation. God's word doesn't
mean, again, that we can't use
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some of these things to our advantage. We can and we should. But
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if God's words not brought into the
equation, then nothing else has the ability
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as God's word does, to change
the human heart. These women have to
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see from yeah, I think the
Holy Spirit shows it to him that they
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can't trust the abortion industry, they
can't trust, ultimately, the devil.
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They need to trust the Lord.
They need to trust what God says about
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them, about their baby, about
their situation, rather than the abortion industry.
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Yeah, and the people that God
has sent. They need to they
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need to listen to I had a
woman a couple of days ago who,
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when I asked her about what brought
her here and what her obstacles were,
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she said basically that it was all
about her. Yeah, but then she
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said that she knew in her heart
that this was the right thing to do
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and and that before God her heart, he knew her heart. That's what
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she said. He knows my heart. I said, well, do you
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know what the Bible says? He
says about your heart. Yeah, and
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and I started quoting about the hardest
deceitful above all else. And and I
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I asked her the series of questions. Have you ever lied, stolen lust
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it after someone spoken ill of someone, and and and she said that she
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had to all of those. And
I said, what do you think your
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heart looks like in reality then,
and and she agreed that maybe her heart
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didn't look as good as as she
thought, that it did. So that's
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kind of an example of using scripture
to kind of bring someone to the conclusion
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that their belief was wrong, where
they were trusting in their heart was just
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wrong. Yeah, and what don't
want you guys that are listening to understand,
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because we're talking, you know,
heavy about using the word of God,
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we're talking about how the word of
God comes against lies and we're talking
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about wielding the sword of the spirit. But again, we're up against a
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lot and they've been told we're a
bunch of angry protesters whatever. So that's
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why we need to be careful in
the way that we like you, can
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convey certain truths, like what you're
talking about, showing someone that their heart
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is deceitful above all things and desperately
wicked. Yeah, and you can do
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it very graciously, you can do
it in a way where you're not just
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accusing and pointing the finger. See, biblically, we have to come from
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a position of we've sinned and fallen
short of the glory of God as well,
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we've failed the Lord as well and
we need a savior as well.
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Right, and even though we're not
living in sin, we came from a
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lifestyle of sin. We need to
come from a perspective of we're no better
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apart from Christ, then they are
right and we can speak graciously into situations
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like that because we see hey set
for the grace of God, I'd be
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right where you are exactly, you
know. So when we're speaking from that
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perspective we're speaking graciously and I think
it is as much as people might minimize
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that. I think tone does matter, the tone of voice that we use.
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It goes a long way and I
think there's there's a proverb that speaks
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to that. I quit this proverb
a lot to our side Walt counselors and
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other people who are not our sidebalt
counselors who would I would like for them
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not to be so so loud and
obnoxious in the way that they talk.
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Yes, is the proverb that says
if you bless your brother early in the
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morning loudly, it will be perceived
as a curse. Basically, what it's
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saying is you can say as nice
as stuff as you want, if you
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say that the wrong time and in
the wrong volume, it's not going to
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be received as a blessing, it's
going to be received as a curse.
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So our tone does matter. Yeah, our tone, accept the tone.
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That's what we say. Your tone
sets the tone in your time and can
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matter. You know, you look
and you pray for those opportune times in
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a conversation with a mom who's come
over and talk to you or with the
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mom who's stopped her vehicle and pulled
over to talk to you on the side
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of the road. You look for
those opportune times to introduce the conviction of
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sin, the reality. You know, I've spoken, I mean very forthrightly,
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with men in front of the abortion
clinic about their sexual sin. Yeah,
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about their guilt before God and their
manipulation of women. I mean I've
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encountered men that have taken three and
four women to the abortion clinic because they
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got them pregnant, having second south
out of her. But I'll wait for
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the opportune time not to tell them
that they're a filthy, wretched center,
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but to let them tell themselves.
That's what I like so much as effective
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thing, to really ask questions and
let them draw their own conclusion. Yeah,
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listening to watching Rad Comfort Videos,
U see, that's exactly what he
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does. He's taking them through the
law and he says, have you ever
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lied? Yeah, well, what
does that make you? And that's a
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really good method. You're asking questions, you're drawing it out of them.
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They're seeing and in hearing from their
own mouth their guilt before God for their
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sin. Right, yeah, and
it that's a that's a helpful way,
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in a very gracious but fourth right
way to address these issues. Yeah,
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yeah, well, so let's look
at some of these becauses now. The
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first one is from proverbs. Proverbs, it's so good. Yeah, proverbs
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three, five, trust in the
Lord with all your heart and do not
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lean on your own understanding. Yeah, so that's they're leaning on their own
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understanding, right. Or Yeah,
trust in the Lord with all of your
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heart and I lean on your own
understanding and all of your ways. Acknowledge
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Him and he would direct your right. Yeah, passed. So that's a
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scripture. Erect it. Yeah,
right, you direct your path, you
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follow your heart, you follow your
ways, you end up in an abortion
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clinic, you follow the Lord and
he'll direct your path. He'll direct your
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path out of the abortion clinic.
And so this is a scripture that talks
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about trust and it really contrasts with
the trust that a woman has an abortion
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and the abortion industry with the trust
that she should have in the Lord.
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And I think this is an important
scripture to remind these mothers about that God
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can be trusted and you ought to
trust it. Yeah, and this one
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is one that I actually will say
to the women quite often. For one,
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it's one of the few I remember. I'm not very good memorization,
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but it's such a good one,
it's so appropriate. So the next one.
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Blessed is the man who trust in
the Lord. Whose Trust is the
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Lord Jeremiah, seventeen seven. Yeah, and you know what we're talking about
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when we're talking about trusted in the
Lords? We're talking about the character of
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God. Really, you know,
if you think about trust, what is
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it? It's really a faith in
the character of that entity or that person
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that you're trusting. Right. Yeah, and I think as sidewalk counselors,
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one of the things that we can
do to help women to see that they
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can trust the Lord, and I
think, I know this is very biblical,
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is to share testimonies, to share
stories about what God has done in
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certain situations. I mean, one
of the ways that I will try to
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gain trust from people as I'm talking
to him or even as I'm talking on
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the microphone, is sharing with them. Listen, I've seen women in your
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situation and I've seen God do amazing
things. Would you come over and just
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let me show you some of the
help that God has available for I am
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a woman who was in your situation
and I did what you did and I
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know the pain and sorrow. But
let me tell you about how God changed
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my life and changed me and brought
set me on a solid path. Yeah,
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I might and right. And so
you're sick. You're sharing these stories
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and you're sharing these testimonies because you're
establishing, helping, establishing their mind the
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character of this God that you're talking
about, that he is good, that
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he does care, that he is
able to cause dramatic, radical change in
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your life that you maybe have never
felt her seen before. And if you
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have experienced that, we all know
that every true believer who speaks of that
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transformative power of Christ in their own
life is compelling. People want that,
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people are on to that. Yeah, and if you look in the Old
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Testament, you look at some of
the psalms and you look at how the
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Psalmist recounts the faithfulness of God and
even recounting the exodus from Egypt and how
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God had been faithful to bring his
people into the promised land. What is
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he doing? What's The psalmist doing
there? He's conveying the faithfulness of God
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to the people that are reading and
singing this psalm and they're singing about the
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faithfulness of God. If you think
about a lot of our songs in Church,
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they surround the faithfulness in the goodness
of God and what God has brought
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us from, what God has done
in our lives. Yeah, and all
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through the scripture we see this common
thread of what God has done. Look
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what the Lord has done, look
at the faithfulness of God, and that's
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all there to help us and remind
us that this God that we're talking about,
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we're trying to encourage people to trust
in, is good, he's faithful,
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that he comes through, that he
can be trusted, so trust him,
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you know. Yeah, and it's
a theme in Scriptures, a very
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common thing. It is in a
counterpoint to that which I do sometimes tell
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the women is now contrast that that
picture of God that has just been painted
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with. When you trusted in yourself, when you trust it in your own
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choices, when you trusted in your
own solutions. Where have they brought you?
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Yeah, and they brought them to
a place of death and destruction,
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and they all know that. That's
undeniable and most of them don't want to
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be there. Right. I would
say none of them truly want to be
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there. So anyway. So the
next one and Psalm fifty six, three
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to four, and then verse thirteen
in that Psalm. Some fifty six.
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Okay, when I am afraid,
I put my trust in you, in
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God, who's where I praise.
In God, I trust. I shall
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not be afraid. What can flesh
do to me, for you have delivered
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my soul from death, yes,
my feet from falling, that I may
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walk before God in the light of
life. So there's a there's a psalm,
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just like something about David recounting the
faithfulness of God. You have done
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this, therefore, I know I
can trust you've been faith in the past.
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Therefore I can trust you in the
future. And when I'm afraid,
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to which these women, I think, relate to that, I mean they
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are, they are giving into fear
nine times out of town. Oh,
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absolutely. So we can remind them
of the faithfulness of God. Yeah,
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we can remind them of the faithfulness
of God in the Scriptures. We conminded
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them of certain scriptures where God came
through in the Scriptures. Also the faithfulness
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of God in our own lives,
the faithfulness of God. I remember I
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shared a couple of podcasts go about
the young lady who, by God's grace,
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and we talked about man and can
man be effective administer and how God's
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Great. By God's grace, she
chose life and one of the things that
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God used is meet reminding her about
the faithfulness of God in her life and
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how God has been faithful in the
past and how God had lined things up
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in her life in such a way
where she could actually have this baby and
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have her needs met, and all
of this because she had given you enough
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information that you were able to to
zone in on. Yeah, Hey,
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there's an example of God's faithfulness in
this student's life and you're probably storing that
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in your head, thinking I need
to speak to her. Yeah, absolutely,
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and it's important to remind people of
the faithfulness of God. Hey,
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as believers, it's important for us
to remind each other of the faithfulness of
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God. Sometimes I need to be
reminded when I'm down, when I'm in
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a difficult situation, when I'm dealing
with just the anxiety of whatever stress going
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on, I need to be reminded
of the faithfulness of God. That's why
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it's important for us to be in
church and hear the word of God's why
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is important for us to encourage one
another daily, as long as it's called
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today, as the Bible says,
because we, even his believers, need
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to be reminded. Listen, your
future is unsure, unclear, like everybody's
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future is. No one knows the
future, but God does, and God,
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who has been faithful in the past, will be faithful in the future,
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and that is an important truth for
us to convey to an abortion minded
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mom. Again, we're dealing with
majority, at least here in the south.
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The majority of these women have been
in church. Majority of these women
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know things about the Lord, right, and so we're reminding them of things
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that they'd already known. Yeah,
so that ultimately, again, they take
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the trust that they've put into the
abortion clinic and abortion and invest that trust
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actually in the Lord. Yeah,
and one of the things that they're losing
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side, if I do think is
is eternity and what's happening to their soul
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as they're making choices to rebel against
God. They know it's a choice to
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rebel against God almost overwhelmingly, and
I love in in this palm where it
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says for you have delivered my soul
from death. So reminding them again who
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really holds eternity, your eternity in
his hand. It's not the abortionist.
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Yeah, it's God. And do
you really want to make a choice that
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is going to draw you further from
God or closer to God? Well,
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you know, I think with this, I mean we've gone through a lot
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of scripture. I think we've laid
out a good spiritual case about how we
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asside counsel as we as ministers in
and pro life, in a pro life
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capacity, can help an abortion minded
mom to take the trust that she's put
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in the abortion clinic and put that
trust in the Lord. I hope we've
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given you guys some principles, at
least from our experience, and I think
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we've got more to share on this
topic. Yeah, so we'll do a
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part two to this because we can't
go much longer, right, but we'll
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do a part two and hopefully this
was a blessing you guys, and we
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appreciate you listening appreciate you guys that
share this podcast. Please continue to share
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this podcast send us ideas about future
podcasts. We love to hear what your
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ideas are and you can get in
touch with me. D Parks at cities
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for lifecom. V COSSI ORG at
cities for lifecom for her. But until
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next time, God bless. Give
me our love for love. Give me
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our loft for gratitude. I know
it will cost me my life. Nothing's
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too precious, and some me you