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I am yours. I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life
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podcast and this episode we're going to
talk about trust. When we encounter an
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abortion minded woman, she has put
her trust in abortion. It's our job
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to help her take that trust out
of abortion and put it in the Lord.
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But how do we, as pro
life ministers, do that? We
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believe the scripture has a lot to
say about this, so stick with us.
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I felt show passis touch your welcome
to the Gospel Center pro life podcast.
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WHO This podcast is a blessing to
you. We're going to talk about
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trust today. It's an important issue
and of course we're going to talk about
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it and lie of the ministry that
we're involved in on a regular basis,
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which is sidewall counseling. But I
think this, this rings true and the
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things we're going to talk about ring
true. And really, any ministry be
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involved in, when you're dealing with
abortion minded women and people just in difficult
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situations, trust is always an issue, right. I mean whether you're talking
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about again abortion, mind of women
or even just marital issues and mom and
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dad to their kids, kind of
issues, any issue, trust is a
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big deal and in the scripture it's
also an important deal. Right, there's
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all kinds of scripture. We're going
to get into some of those that talk
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about trust, but let me kind
of set the stage where what we're talking
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about, because again we're primarily talking
about in a sidewalk counseling realm or maybe
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even in a pregnancy center or some
other kind of prolife ministry, is we're
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talking about the trust, and this
is kind of what we come up against,
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that a woman has in abortion,
in the abortion industry, and what
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I mean by that is that she's
put a certain level of trust in abortion
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to fix her situation right, and
she's trusting abortion to make the relationship with
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her boyfriend better or husband better,
to calm the storm that's going on in
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her life. She's put her trust
in abortion and thereby put her trust in
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the abortion industry. Right. That
seems to be that's what's going to change
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her life and make it all right
again. Yeah, it's what we've got
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to do, and this is a
dynamic that I thought would be a blessing
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to you guys to understand, is
we've got to try, as sidewalk counselors,
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as prolife pregnancy center counselors. We've
got to try to counsel these women
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and to take in that investment,
if you will, of trust out of
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the abortion clinic, out of the
abortion industry, out of abortion, and
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put that trust in, you know, in us, but really in the
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Lord. Right. Basically we're trying
to gain their trust. Right, if
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they did it, because if they
don't put their trust initially in us over
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the abortion center, there's no reason
to listen to us. No one listens
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to someone they don't trust. Yeah, so our goal is, of course,
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to transfer that trust ultimately to God, but first of all they they
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have to feel they will trust us
enough to hear what we have to say.
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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So
what are some of the challenges than
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that we're dealing with? We're coming
up against some challenges and we're at a
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pretty grave disadvantage, especially standing in
front of an abortion clinic. Yeah,
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we really are coming to the abortion
center, right, right. What are
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some of the challenge? Yeah,
well, I looked on the website of
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our local, very busy abortion center
and here is the first big challenge.
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So these women don't go looking for
sidewalk counselors that can write, that can
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give them an another, you know, different option other than we're not coming
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to the abortion clinic because they're hoping
to sidewall counselor will be there right right.
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Have had people come because they knew
they knew that the mobile unit would
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be there. They knew it would
be would be out there right right.
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We praise God for that. But
primarily they're not coming to the abortion clinic
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because they want to encounter us right, coming for abortion, right exactly.
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And and so so let's look at
how the abortion center first of all presents
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themselves. Ye, to because in
order to gain gain their trusts. This
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this is a quote from the website
of the abortion center. Our physicians are
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some of the most experienced abortion providers
in the southeast. Our staff has provided
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abortion care to over a hundred thousand
patients during the past twenty years. Yeah,
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as though that something to brag about. Right. Honestly, it is.
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Okay. Registered nurses and medical assistants
with years of abortion experience compliment and
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assist are very experienced medical staff.
Many of our counselors have backgrounds in psychology,
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social work and medical office environments.
All of our councilors are sincere,
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caring women who are committed to helping
each individual patient complete their treatment with the
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best possible emotional, spiritual and physical
spiritual alms. Yeah, you know,
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a word comes to mind as you
read all of that. Yeah, and
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I hope I don't have to beat
this out. BULLCRAT. That's bullcrap.
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We who know what really happens.
But just look at let's just examine.
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Yeah, their language in good luck, this is some excellent language. They
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know what they're doing where. We
don't want to underestimate the the craftiness of
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the abortion center. They are very
good, of course, at at drawing
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people in and into trusting them.
Yeah, so, well, this is
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what we have to understand to is
that we're dealing with again, a a
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for profit company. Right, well, plant parent, who it's not?
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They say they're not for profit,
but they make make off of killing children.
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GO MONEY ON UM number. We
know that. So we're dealing with
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that. And so I say that
so that people understand. These are salesmen
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and these are sale is tactics,
and and a sales tactic is to gain
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people's trust. Yeah, boy,
Hey, we have this amount of experience.
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Yeah, yeah, and and something
that a lot of people don't know.
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I certainly didn't know this until some
of the abortion workers who left confided
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in me and talked with me and
told me that they have quotas at the
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call center, quotas for how many
abortions they have to book or they're retaught.
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Okay, they're re edguy condition and
then ultimately fired if they don't meet
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their quota of abortions. I mean, how sick is that? Yeah,
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well, sounds like it's broads.
Yeah, because again, you're talking about
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a business that makes a lot of
money off would right, right. So
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notice how their building trust in their
prospective clients. They paint this rosy picture
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of time tested success. Yeah,
twenty years, why you have killing hundred
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thousand babies. Yeah, and this
is a glowing recommendation, because they know
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what they're doing. Apparently. In
this business, the doctors are described as
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experienced, the staff are are described
as caring, sincere, committed to helping
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and the best possible outcomes. So
all that language, not once does it
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describe what happens in an abortion.
Of course not. Nowhere on the website
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can you find the abortionist name and
look up the record of the abortionists.
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Right nowhere. Even if you call
an ass they do mean in one sense,
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they're talking about their providers, in
their you know, abortionists, in
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their staff and all of that.
You got to take our we're for it,
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because they're not going to. This
is what the abortion clinics convey and
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you got to take our word for
it that these people are experienced, because
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we're not going to tell you who
they are. Right. So they are
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actually come into the room, right
and any abortion and you get the idea
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that maybe, maybe, you know
you're getting this really wonderful, compassionate doctor.
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Yeah, but what do we learn
from this, though, as we're
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thinking about okay, we're dealing with
women in crisis situation, right, yeah,
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and anybody in a crisis situation you're
looking for something to grab hold of,
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you're looking for some kind of hope, you're looking for some kind of
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remedy, you're looking for some were
or somebody that you can go to to
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help make the situation better. So
that's really scared and you're scared and you
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know it hurts because you've heard from
your friends, so you know it hurts.
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So so the picture of their painting
is one that is designed to damp
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in their fears and paint a picture
that is not at all scary, not
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at all paint well it least.
You know, in one sense, the
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abortion industry is playing on the fear
of the future, the fear of having
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a baby, the fear of all
of this, and trying to say well,
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after all, having an abortion.
I mean that's the picture that the
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abortion industry paints and some of them, I've heard pro choice people say this.
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It's less invasive to have an abortion
procedure than it is to have a
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baby. So, you know,
trust abortion, trust the abortion industry,
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because all your fears will be taken
away, all the things and anxiety that
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you have your fast Cera Lot come
best possible comes spiritually, yeah too.
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So how can we take what they
have put there, HMM, and use
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that? Now, I'm not saying
that we use the enemies tactics, but
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I am saying is within this language, is sort of what we recognize as
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how we, as human beings,
would communicate to someone who's in a crisis
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like we want to let them know
that we have experience in dealing with their
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issues. We want to let them
know that you, in one sense,
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okay, you've got chaos going on
in your life and we got some solutions
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for you. Right. Yeah,
and in one sense, you know,
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that's what a sidewalk counsel is,
that's what a pregnancy center counselor is is.
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We're trying to counsel them through a
situation. We're trying to show them
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that there are solutions and that there
is ultimately, from our perspective, a
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God that they can trust to carry
through with this situation and bring about the
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best possible outcome. Right. And
and so the abortion center, of course,
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knows we have a solution that is
not abortion, and they they know
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that we're effective at it. So
we have another layer, though, that
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we have to first overcome, not
only the language that they have read and
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the counseling they've received from the abortion
center, but they tell them there will
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be protesters, called protesters. They
they tell them just drive past, don't
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talk to them, that they tell
them that we're mean. I had someone
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come and say I was so surprised
you, you're nice that they told me
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you really mean and angry, and
that wasn't what she saw, which is,
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by the way, answers in part
your question. We have to counter
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that's another one of the her right. Right, we encounter that's another one
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of the things that we have to
overcome. Yeah, know the fact that
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the abortion industry has this language and
has encouraged now, hey, we have
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these these wonderful providers. All that, the fact that the abortion industry is
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told them the people on the sidewalk
or just a bunch of angry, mean
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protesters. That's that's something else that
we've got right to counter. Right the
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we've had some of the pro choice
people, quote are quote, per choice
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people say that, you know,
you lie to the women. You show
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them ultrasounds of Squirrel fetus their feet
and that was a good so they've lied
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to these women. So we've got
all we've got a pretty big challenge,
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especially with sidewall counselors, but even
in a pregnancy center context, there's challenges
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there because again you're dealing with a
woman who's afraid, who thinks, at
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least in some measure, that abortion
might be a solution for her. And
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you've got a contrast really, and
that's what we're doing. We're contrasting God's
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way, yeah, with their way
right. We're contrasting God's way, the
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right way, the hard way,
yeah, with the world's way. The
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world is into quick fix solutions,
take appeal, solve your problems. Just
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go and have this five minute procedures. Solve your problem, and God's way
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is trust me, and it doesn't
seem clear where things are going to lead
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it. Ultimately you're trusting in God, right, and it's kind of like
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you're in a storm. This is
how I describe it when I'm talking to
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women at the abortion clinic or talking
to men. You're in a storm and
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there's this storm of life, and
we're going to get into a little bit
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of scripture talking about the storm and
talking about disciple being in the storm.
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But you're in the storm and you
can't see that there's a shore on the
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other side of that storm. Is
You're paling this boat of life, and
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we encourage them. There's a God
that's over it all. It sees from
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above the storm and he's calling you
to trust him. And so that's the
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message we're trying to convey. But
again we've got some challenges that coming up
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again, very limited time and so
well, that's another challenge, right,
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and that tells you, see,
have time and did time. We sometimes
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only have as much as ten to
fifteen seconds to begin to build that trust
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but one of the things, as
you were speaking, that I believe is
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perhaps very important in any difficult situation
when you've got choices to make, is
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to label the problem. And the
problem here really is who are you gonna
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Trust? And I think sometimes just
being very I've heard you over the microphone
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say this many times to them.
Who are you going to trust? Are
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you going to trust God, or
are you going to trust your own solutions
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that has brought you to the worst
place on earth that you possibly could be
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and never wanted to be? And
so labeling the problem, that this is
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a problem of trust and and pointing
out their alternatives, what you just did.
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You can trust God, or you
can trust the abortion industry, or
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you can trust the abortion yeah,
to and ultimately, of course, we
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know it's trusting the devil, it's
trussing the enemy exactly their soul and sat
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me of their baby. Yeah,
yeah. Well, one of the in
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my mind is I'm thinking about the
hurdles that we have to overcome, some
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of the issues that we have to
deal with and and what we're up against.
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And we're trying to convince an abortion
minded mom not not even just to
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choose life, but just to come
over and talk with us. Is the
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fact that she's already engaged. I
mean I think there's, you know,
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within pregnancy centers are certain language they
use. They talk about abortion minded women,
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abortion determined women. I think in
one sense we're dealing with at an
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abortion clinic is we're dealing with an
abortion engaged woman, like she's engaged in
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the very act, like you can't
get more close than being at an abortion
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clinic to actually having an abortion.
Her eyes are straight on that building which
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someone is going to take the life
of her baby and she had so many
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times women have told me I agree
with everything you say, but I've got
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an appointment. Yeah, they're focuses. I've got an appointment and that appointment
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is with death and nothing is going
to determine so she's headed toward the abortion
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said when they encounter us. Yeah, they're headed toward the abortion center.
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They have their money in their hand
YEP, and they've already gone through the
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counseling stuff over the phone off and
so called counseling circle. Counsel. Trust
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the abortion inst to give a good
day. Hey, they're good spiritual counsel.
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He is ridiculous, but anyway,
they they've gone through that, they've
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got their money in their hand,
they've been told there's these angry protesters.
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Don't stop for them. So really, I'm just paying the picture, guys.
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So the you understand, we're up
against a pretty difficult challenge there.
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Yet the miracle is that anyone ever
chooses life, and I mean that's when
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you're are, when someone even stops
and talk exactly takes our literature or sue.
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You know, I say that not
to scare people off and not to
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say that we aren't effective out there. We certainly are. We've seen God
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do amazing things. Yeah, but
the first and foremost set the stays that
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we understand. This is why we
train our sidewalk counselors. Most importantly,
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that you need to be walking with
God, like the we need God on
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our side. We need God to
do the work, we need God to
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move their hearts, we need God
to speak to their hearts. Yeah,
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and God does it. We see
amazing things, but we also, I
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think, practically because we're up against
so many challenges, because there's a trust
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at these women have already placed in
the abortion industry, and the abortion industry
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is already told them not to trust
us that we need to be intentional and
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careful in the way that we carry
ourselves and the way that we talk.
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Like I don't want listen. I'm
not crafting the things that I say and
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things that I don't say based on
what the abortion industry says. So I'm
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not saying that we need to base
what we say and how we do ministry
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on the word of God. Primarily, right, that has to be our
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our central source for information, the
word of God. So I'm not saying
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that we leave the word of out, out of the equation. I know
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there are some people that say that
we shouldn't be talking about God until some
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certain point. We should mention scripture
because it might, you know, stop
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them from coming and talk to US
whatever. I think that's a ridiculous notion
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anyway, because most of the people
going into the abortion clinic, clinic coming
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for abortions, will quote scripture to
you. Right, that shall not judge.
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Yeah, that time, and you're
you know, in one sense,
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when you're quote scripture, you're reminding
them of things that they have known in
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their past. They've been in church, they've been exposed to things in the
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Bible belt. Yeah, absolutely.
Anyway, I say all that, it's
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a still yet we do need to
be careful not to reinforce some of the
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stuff the abortion clinic or the pro
choice people have told them. Yeah,
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for example, we need to make
sure the information that we convey is correct
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information, absolutely now to make sure
that they do not ever catch us in
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a life. For one thing,
it dishonors God to lie, but for
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another it just kind of supports what
they are saying, reinforces what they you
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know, quote pro choice people with
the pro abortion people have told them what
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the abortion clinic is told them.
You know, they show them pictures of
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squirrel fetuses. They lie to them
and tell them their baby is fully formed
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at, you know, six weeks
or whatever. So we need to make
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sure that we're not doing that right. But we do need to convey information
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right. Again, it needs to
be accurate information right. It needs to
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be in such a way where,
again, we're not like, okay,
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I'll give you an example. I've
heard people say on our sidewalk not are
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not cities for life people, because
they because we're perfect. We're not.
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But I'm telling you, I would
correct this right away, but I've heard
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people say they've got a fifty five
gallon drum of dead babies in the back
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of that abortion clinic? Ever heard? Somebody said, I have heard stuff
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like that, but not from us. Yeah, yeah, like, no,
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they don't. Actually they don't have
a few, but know if they
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did, because we're not allowed in
there anyway, right. But I mean
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we've seen them take the boxes of
that, you know, the baby,
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dead babies out, which is a
grievous thing. Yeah, and so you
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might say they have. They put
the babies in biohazard bag and thrown away
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you. We do say that that's
true, but just what you're trying to
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do is you're trying, in one
sense, to manipulate the facts and and
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bring a picture to the mine,
and which I understand that we need to
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use words, we need to bring
pictures to their mind. We need to
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be talking about the violence of abortion
when appropriate, when necessary. We certainly
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do. But then bellish on that
just chips away at any trust that we
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would normally have, because any reasonable
minded person would know they don't have a
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fifty five gallon drum a dead babies
in the back of the right clinic.
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And really the first picture that we
paid for them as us our face are
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demeanor, our tone, those are
all so critical in building trust. If
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we look trustworthy, we speak respectfully, gently, kindly, we convey that
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we are someone who can be trusted. So it before we ever open our
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mouth to speak, which I believe
very strongly we must do. Yeah,
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but just are very fact that we're
waving and smiling as they come in and
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looking approachable is kind of, I
think, the first step. Yeah,
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and what that does is it chips
away at what the abortion clinic is right,
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because the abortion clinic is told them
there's going to be a bunch of
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angry people out there yelling at you
and calling you a murderer. Yeah,
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and when what they encounter is something
very different. Yeah, then they begin.
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And we've had women like you just
shared who've told us. Well,
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they said you're like this, but
you're not, and so I'm glad I
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came over and talk to you.
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So we want to you know again, we're not crafting what we say
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and thinking about what we say and
what we do based on what the abortion
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industry styes, we're doing it out
of our love for God, our love
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for people. What we see in
the scripture. Right, right, right.
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But if what we done, what
we do, really shows that what
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the abortion industry, what the abortion
clinic is told them is untrue, it
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helps, it helps to take some
of the trust, yeah, that they
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put in the abortion clinic and to
invest that trust in at least hearing what
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we have to say. Right,
so great. So our information needs to
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be truthful. Yes, it does. That's very important, and it needs
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to be spiritually accurate as well.
It needs to quote the Bible. Yeah,
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curately is yeah, anyboy in scripture
and use and to use the words,
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and I've got a whole slew,
yeah, of verses that are about
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trust, that that the the Bible
has to say, that God has to
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say about trust. With this be
good time for you to mention some of
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us. So I won't go through
all of them, because we will.
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Let me combat something. Or here's
another level of of issues that we have
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to deal with. Okay. Something
we're up against is that you have the
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world's way. You know, the
Bible says there is a way that seems
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right to man, kind of that
way of death. So you have the
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world's way, its system, its
system of thinking. Yes, what does
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the world say about trust. Think
about it. Think. What is the
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Hollywood mantra? Trust your heart,
you trust your heart. Trust your heart.
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Yeah, follow your feeling, not
bit. Yeah, cool, trust
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your heart because your heart will lead
you. That's a that. Listen,
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the Bible says directly the opposite of
that. Does says, if you trust
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your heart, guess where you end
up? In places of death. Yeah,
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follow your heart and you'll follow it
right to an abortion. Yeah,
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people come to abortion clinics because they
follow their heart. That's right. The
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heart is deceptive above all else,
the Bible says. Who can know it?
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So if the heart is deceptive above
all else, well then don't trust
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your heart. But what, what
do you trust? You're falling heart and
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it's going to lead you to an
abortion clinics. Anyway. I say that
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to say that we're up against that. We're up against people that are following
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their heart. We're up against society
that says follow your heart. Yeah,
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that's another level of like complications and
issues that we have to come up against.
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And so that's what again, selfishness, yeah, which is Putt of
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men. That whole plays on the
whole idea. Follow your heart. Why?
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Because you're the most important thing.
Yeah, this is what for number
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one, this is what I hear
that out of time. This is what's
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best for me, not the thought
about what might be best for they.
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And if you know you have that
sort of mindset and if you've your mindset
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and your life has been crafted by
the ideas of the world and follow your
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heart just seems natural. So we're
up against human nature, which is has
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that propensity towards send and selfishness.
Right, so we're up against that as
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well. Yeah, and I think
again people need to understand what we're up
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against, not to discourage us,
but to encourage us, that we have
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tools in God's word that we can
use, because God's word, the Bible
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says of itself, God's word,
is alive, active and sharper than need
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two edged sword, he brews and
twelve, alive, active and sharper than
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any two edged sword. It says
it's able to pierce the divide even between
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soul and spirit, joint and marry. So what it's talking about is God's
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words ability to get in and to
do a surgeon's job. God's word will
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cut through the mass, it will
cut through the lies, it'll cut through
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the bull crap, yeah, full
crap and get right to it. And
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that's why we cannot, as sidewall
counselors, as pregnancy center counselors, neglect
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the word of God. We cannot
neglect the word of God. Now,
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that doesn't mean that we need to
be constantly throwing Bible verses at people.
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Understand you know, there's we don't
want to do that, Shoven the Gospel
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downs people's throat through whatever. But
everything that we say needs to be informed
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by and seasoned with the word of
God and we ought to be quote in
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scripture. We ought to be saying, well, understand, your situation is
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such, but you know, the
Bible says this. Right, he called
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word tells us. I know your
situation is difficult, but Psalm Forty six
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one tells us God is a refuge
in strength, a very present help in
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trouble. Right, and what you
said undergirding everything that we do and say.
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So we may not even be quoting
all these scriptures about trust. I
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don't know that I quote them very
often about trust itself, but when I
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have that scripture in my heart and
I'm familiar with it and I know what
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the Bible says about trust, I
am more able to then go forth and
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know how to help them to trust
in God. Yeah, altimate. Yeah,
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because you know, it's believers.
We need to have assurance in the
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Lord that we can. You know, you can't give what you don't have
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exactly. And so if you're trying
to convey to an abortion amounted woman,
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a woman at an abortion clinic,
that she needs to trust God, if
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you don't have trust in him right
yourself right, you can have a hard
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time convinced her to trust the Lord. So you should be sure of God's
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word yourself and of course, if
you're a believer, you are in God's
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helping you more and more to trust
him. Yeah, but we need to
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be in God's Word on regular basis, and I want to encourage people with
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too, and this is what we
encourage our sidewalk counselors here with. You
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got to be in constant fellowship with
the Lord, because this Ministry is not
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a ministry you're going to be able
to do out of your own strength.
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You're not going to be able to
do it out of your own wisdom and
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the world's wisdom. As much as
medical science might be on our on our
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side, and it is Yep,
medical science is not going to change a
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human heart that's bent on doing something
very selfish. It never says in the
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Bible that I could find trust in
medical science. Never. No, I'm
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not saying that medical science, again, is not on our side. It
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is. It is, and I'm
not saying that it's not a tool that
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we can use. We certainly can. That's one of our what we call
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our three talking points when we're taught, when we're teaching side what counsels is
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fetal development. We get that from
medical science, right, right. The
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humanity of the baby can be proven
scientifically. Exactly. Yeah, but what
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does that even matter? If you
think about it, what does the humanity
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of the baby even matter if God's
not brought into the equation? You're just
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talking about killing another animal anyway.
Yeah, so God has to be brought
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into the equation. God's word doesn't
mean, again, that we can't use
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some of these things to our advantage. We can and we should. But
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if God's words not brought into the
equation, then nothing else has the ability
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as God's word does, to change
the human heart. These women have to
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see from yeah, I think the
Holy Spirit shows it to him that they
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can't trust the abortion industry, they
can't trust, ultimately, the devil.
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They need to trust the Lord.
They need to trust what God says about
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them, about their baby, about
their situation, rather than the abortion industry.
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Yeah, and the people that God
has sent. They need to they
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need to listen to I had a
woman a couple of days ago who,
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when I asked her about what brought
her here and what her obstacles were,
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she said basically that it was all
about her. Yeah, but then she
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said that she knew in her heart
that this was the right thing to do
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and and that before God her heart, he knew her heart. That's what
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she said. He knows my heart. I said, well, do you
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know what the Bible says? He
says about your heart. Yeah, and
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and I started quoting about the hardest
deceitful above all else. And and I
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I asked her the series of questions. Have you ever lied, stolen lust
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it after someone spoken ill of someone, and and and she said that she
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had to all of those. And
I said, what do you think your
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heart looks like in reality then,
and and she agreed that maybe her heart
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didn't look as good as as she
thought, that it did. So that's
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kind of an example of using scripture
to kind of bring someone to the conclusion
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that their belief was wrong, where
they were trusting in their heart was just
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wrong. Yeah, and what don't
want you guys that are listening to understand,
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because we're talking, you know,
heavy about using the word of God,
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we're talking about how the word of
God comes against lies and we're talking
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about wielding the sword of the spirit. But again, we're up against a
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lot and they've been told we're a
bunch of angry protesters whatever. So that's
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why we need to be careful in
the way that we like you, can
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convey certain truths, like what you're
talking about, showing someone that their heart
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is deceitful above all things and desperately
wicked. Yeah, and you can do
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it very graciously, you can do
it in a way where you're not just
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accusing and pointing the finger. See, biblically, we have to come from
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a position of we've sinned and fallen
short of the glory of God as well,
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we've failed the Lord as well and
we need a savior as well.
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Right, and even though we're not
living in sin, we came from a
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lifestyle of sin. We need to
come from a perspective of we're no better
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apart from Christ, then they are
right and we can speak graciously into situations
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like that because we see hey set
for the grace of God, I'd be
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right where you are exactly, you
know. So when we're speaking from that
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perspective we're speaking graciously and I think
it is as much as people might minimize
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that. I think tone does matter, the tone of voice that we use.
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It goes a long way and I
think there's there's a proverb that speaks
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to that. I quit this proverb
a lot to our side Walt counselors and
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other people who are not our sidebalt
counselors who would I would like for them
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not to be so so loud and
obnoxious in the way that they talk.
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Yes, is the proverb that says
if you bless your brother early in the
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morning loudly, it will be perceived
as a curse. Basically, what it's
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saying is you can say as nice
as stuff as you want, if you
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say that the wrong time and in
the wrong volume, it's not going to
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be received as a blessing, it's
going to be received as a curse.
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So our tone does matter. Yeah, our tone, accept the tone.
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That's what we say. Your tone
sets the tone in your time and can
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matter. You know, you look
and you pray for those opportune times in
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a conversation with a mom who's come
over and talk to you or with the
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mom who's stopped her vehicle and pulled
over to talk to you on the side
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of the road. You look for
those opportune times to introduce the conviction of
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sin, the reality. You know, I've spoken, I mean very forthrightly,
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with men in front of the abortion
clinic about their sexual sin. Yeah,
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about their guilt before God and their
manipulation of women. I mean I've
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encountered men that have taken three and
four women to the abortion clinic because they
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got them pregnant, having second south
out of her. But I'll wait for
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the opportune time not to tell them
that they're a filthy, wretched center,
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but to let them tell themselves.
That's what I like so much as effective
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thing, to really ask questions and
let them draw their own conclusion. Yeah,
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listening to watching Rad Comfort Videos,
U see, that's exactly what he
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does. He's taking them through the
law and he says, have you ever
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lied? Yeah, well, what
does that make you? And that's a
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really good method. You're asking questions, you're drawing it out of them.
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They're seeing and in hearing from their
own mouth their guilt before God for their
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sin. Right, yeah, and
it that's a that's a helpful way,
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in a very gracious but fourth right
way to address these issues. Yeah,
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yeah, well, so let's look
at some of these becauses now. The
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first one is from proverbs. Proverbs, it's so good. Yeah, proverbs
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three, five, trust in the
Lord with all your heart and do not
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lean on your own understanding. Yeah, so that's they're leaning on their own
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understanding, right. Or Yeah,
trust in the Lord with all of your
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heart and I lean on your own
understanding and all of your ways. Acknowledge
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Him and he would direct your right. Yeah, passed. So that's a
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scripture. Erect it. Yeah,
right, you direct your path, you
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follow your heart, you follow your
ways, you end up in an abortion
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clinic, you follow the Lord and
he'll direct your path. He'll direct your
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path out of the abortion clinic.
And so this is a scripture that talks
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about trust and it really contrasts with
the trust that a woman has an abortion
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and the abortion industry with the trust
that she should have in the Lord.
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And I think this is an important
scripture to remind these mothers about that God
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can be trusted and you ought to
trust it. Yeah, and this one
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is one that I actually will say
to the women quite often. For one,
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it's one of the few I remember. I'm not very good memorization,
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but it's such a good one,
it's so appropriate. So the next one.
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Blessed is the man who trust in
the Lord. Whose Trust is the
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Lord Jeremiah, seventeen seven. Yeah, and you know what we're talking about
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when we're talking about trusted in the
Lords? We're talking about the character of
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God. Really, you know,
if you think about trust, what is
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it? It's really a faith in
the character of that entity or that person
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that you're trusting. Right. Yeah, and I think as sidewalk counselors,
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one of the things that we can
do to help women to see that they
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can trust the Lord, and I
think, I know this is very biblical,
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is to share testimonies, to share
stories about what God has done in
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certain situations. I mean, one
of the ways that I will try to
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gain trust from people as I'm talking
to him or even as I'm talking on
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the microphone, is sharing with them. Listen, I've seen women in your
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situation and I've seen God do amazing
things. Would you come over and just
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let me show you some of the
help that God has available for I am
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a woman who was in your situation
and I did what you did and I
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know the pain and sorrow. But
let me tell you about how God changed
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my life and changed me and brought
set me on a solid path. Yeah,
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I might and right. And so
you're sick. You're sharing these stories
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and you're sharing these testimonies because you're
establishing, helping, establishing their mind the
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character of this God that you're talking
about, that he is good, that
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he does care, that he is
able to cause dramatic, radical change in
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your life that you maybe have never
felt her seen before. And if you
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have experienced that, we all know
that every true believer who speaks of that
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transformative power of Christ in their own
life is compelling. People want that,
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people are on to that. Yeah, and if you look in the Old
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Testament, you look at some of
the psalms and you look at how the
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Psalmist recounts the faithfulness of God and
even recounting the exodus from Egypt and how
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God had been faithful to bring his
people into the promised land. What is
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he doing? What's The psalmist doing
there? He's conveying the faithfulness of God
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to the people that are reading and
singing this psalm and they're singing about the
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faithfulness of God. If you think
about a lot of our songs in Church,
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they surround the faithfulness in the goodness
of God and what God has brought
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us from, what God has done
in our lives. Yeah, and all
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through the scripture we see this common
thread of what God has done. Look
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what the Lord has done, look
at the faithfulness of God, and that's
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all there to help us and remind
us that this God that we're talking about,
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we're trying to encourage people to trust
in, is good, he's faithful,
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that he comes through, that he
can be trusted, so trust him,
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you know. Yeah, and it's
a theme in Scriptures, a very
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common thing. It is in a
counterpoint to that which I do sometimes tell
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the women is now contrast that that
picture of God that has just been painted
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with. When you trusted in yourself, when you trust it in your own
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choices, when you trusted in your
own solutions. Where have they brought you?
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Yeah, and they brought them to
a place of death and destruction,
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and they all know that. That's
undeniable and most of them don't want to
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be there. Right. I would
say none of them truly want to be
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there. So anyway. So the
next one and Psalm fifty six, three
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to four, and then verse thirteen
in that Psalm. Some fifty six.
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Okay, when I am afraid,
I put my trust in you, in
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God, who's where I praise.
In God, I trust. I shall
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not be afraid. What can flesh
do to me, for you have delivered
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my soul from death, yes,
my feet from falling, that I may
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walk before God in the light of
life. So there's a there's a psalm,
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just like something about David recounting the
faithfulness of God. You have done
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this, therefore, I know I
can trust you've been faith in the past.
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Therefore I can trust you in the
future. And when I'm afraid,
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to which these women, I think, relate to that, I mean they
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are, they are giving into fear
nine times out of town. Oh,
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absolutely. So we can remind them
of the faithfulness of God. Yeah,
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we can remind them of the faithfulness
of God in the Scriptures. We conminded
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them of certain scriptures where God came
through in the Scriptures. Also the faithfulness
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of God in our own lives,
the faithfulness of God. I remember I
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shared a couple of podcasts go about
the young lady who, by God's grace,
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and we talked about man and can
man be effective administer and how God's
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Great. By God's grace, she
chose life and one of the things that
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God used is meet reminding her about
the faithfulness of God in her life and
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how God has been faithful in the
past and how God had lined things up
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in her life in such a way
where she could actually have this baby and
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have her needs met, and all
of this because she had given you enough
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information that you were able to to
zone in on. Yeah, Hey,
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there's an example of God's faithfulness in
this student's life and you're probably storing that
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in your head, thinking I need
to speak to her. Yeah, absolutely,
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and it's important to remind people of
the faithfulness of God. Hey,
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as believers, it's important for us
to remind each other of the faithfulness of
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God. Sometimes I need to be
reminded when I'm down, when I'm in
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a difficult situation, when I'm dealing
with just the anxiety of whatever stress going
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on, I need to be reminded
of the faithfulness of God. That's why
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it's important for us to be in
church and hear the word of God's why
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is important for us to encourage one
another daily, as long as it's called
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today, as the Bible says,
because we, even his believers, need
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to be reminded. Listen, your
future is unsure, unclear, like everybody's
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future is. No one knows the
future, but God does, and God,
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who has been faithful in the past, will be faithful in the future,
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and that is an important truth for
us to convey to an abortion minded
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mom. Again, we're dealing with
majority, at least here in the south.
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The majority of these women have been
in church. Majority of these women
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know things about the Lord, right, and so we're reminding them of things
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that they'd already known. Yeah,
so that ultimately, again, they take
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the trust that they've put into the
abortion clinic and abortion and invest that trust
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actually in the Lord. Yeah,
and one of the things that they're losing
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side, if I do think is
is eternity and what's happening to their soul
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as they're making choices to rebel against
God. They know it's a choice to
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rebel against God almost overwhelmingly, and
I love in in this palm where it
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says for you have delivered my soul
from death. So reminding them again who
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really holds eternity, your eternity in
his hand. It's not the abortionist.
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Yeah, it's God. And do
you really want to make a choice that
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is going to draw you further from
God or closer to God? Well,
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you know, I think with this, I mean we've gone through a lot
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of scripture. I think we've laid
out a good spiritual case about how we
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asside counsel as we as ministers in
and pro life, in a pro life
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capacity, can help an abortion minded
mom to take the trust that she's put
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in the abortion clinic and put that
trust in the Lord. I hope we've
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given you guys some principles, at
least from our experience, and I think
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we've got more to share on this
topic. Yeah, so we'll do a
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part two to this because we can't
go much longer, right, but we'll
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do a part two and hopefully this
was a blessing you guys, and we
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appreciate you listening appreciate you guys that
share this podcast. Please continue to share
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this podcast send us ideas about future
podcasts. We love to hear what your
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ideas are and you can get in
touch with me. D Parks at cities
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for lifecom. V COSSI ORG at
cities for lifecom for her. But until
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next time, God bless. Give
me our love for love. Give me
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our loft for gratitude. I know
it will cost me my life. Nothing's
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too precious, and some me you