God Brought Her Full-circle (Interview With A Mom That Chose Life)

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:06.440 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord, 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.470 I am your. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We 3 00:00:10.550 --> 00:00:13.189 got a real treat for you guys in this episode, as me and Vicki 4 00:00:13.349 --> 00:00:16.469 do an interview with the mom that chose life, Jamie Corzynski, and I 5 00:00:16.550 --> 00:00:18.870 believe her testimony is going to be powerful. It's going to be a blessing 6 00:00:18.870 --> 00:00:29.100 of you guys, so stay tuned. I felt show Passi touch your heart. 7 00:00:32.460 --> 00:00:35.140 All right. Well, welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 8 00:00:35.810 --> 00:00:39.170 This is Daniel here and I have Vicky also here with us, and then 9 00:00:39.210 --> 00:00:45.689 we have a special guest, Jamie Quizynski, Corse and Corzinsky. Manna told 10 00:00:45.729 --> 00:00:48.049 you, Elly ruin, that you know what to try. Yeah, and 11 00:00:48.490 --> 00:00:52.840 and she's with us day. She had chosen life for her little boy, 12 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:57.079 Gabriel, a couple of years ago and she's been one of the moms that 13 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:00.719 has chosen life with us who's been a great blessing to us and shared her 14 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:07.189 testimony. And even shared that testimony it was shared on w bet radio one 15 00:01:07.269 --> 00:01:10.069 point, right right, like it was yeah, and maybe he didn't even 16 00:01:10.109 --> 00:01:14.310 one who stations? Yeah, did you know that? Well, yeah, 17 00:01:14.549 --> 00:01:18.469 well, you should have known it. Anyway, it was awesome and there 18 00:01:18.549 --> 00:01:22.739 was a several other ladies. I believe is he shared her testimony, but 19 00:01:22.819 --> 00:01:26.019 we wanted Jamie to come in because we thought that her testimony would be a 20 00:01:26.019 --> 00:01:30.099 blessing to you folks who listen to the podcast and just an encouragement to you. 21 00:01:30.219 --> 00:01:33.890 But also maybe you could learn something if you're doing prolife ministry, if 22 00:01:33.890 --> 00:01:36.569 you're reaching out at abortion centers like we do, if you're working in a 23 00:01:36.650 --> 00:01:40.930 pregnancy center or whatever you're doing in pro life ministry. We feel like, 24 00:01:41.049 --> 00:01:42.730 you know, the testimony from a mom who chose life would be a blessing 25 00:01:42.810 --> 00:01:46.609 to you and help you glean some wisdom and kind of see from that that 26 00:01:46.930 --> 00:01:51.599 perspective. And so, Jamie, welcome the I'm glad you're here with us. 27 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:55.200 Thank you. I'm glad I'm here too. Yeah, and so, 28 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:57.159 yeah, like I said when we before we started, this would be really 29 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.950 conversational, just kind of us just sort of talking through your story. That's 30 00:02:01.150 --> 00:02:05.750 that's what I want to hear. I actually haven't heard sort of the whole 31 00:02:06.269 --> 00:02:08.830 story of how we met you and how you know, that choice for life 32 00:02:08.870 --> 00:02:12.830 sort of impacted your life and of course, the life of your son and 33 00:02:12.949 --> 00:02:15.669 your family. So I want to hear that personally and I think again, 34 00:02:15.669 --> 00:02:21.139 others would like to hear that. So, UM, without sort of getting 35 00:02:21.180 --> 00:02:24.900 into the the whole back story of your life. We met you. When 36 00:02:24.900 --> 00:02:28.979 did we meet you? It was a little over four years ago. Okay, 37 00:02:29.020 --> 00:02:31.289 roll before, on the eighteenth of this month. Okay. So yeah. 38 00:02:31.330 --> 00:02:36.289 So, well, four years ago we met you. And and for 39 00:02:36.370 --> 00:02:38.449 the for the sake of those who are listening, where do we meet you? 40 00:02:38.569 --> 00:02:43.289 At? First Time? At the abortion clinic. Okay, let's Trye. 41 00:02:43.370 --> 00:02:46.960 Yeah, yeah, here's Charlotte. Yeah, we're actually on latrobe right 42 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.479 now and we're, you know, just what, hundred and fifty yards or 43 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.479 so away from from that abortion clinic, which is sort of ironic. Then 44 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:55.280 that's where we first met you. And then and who you are sharing your 45 00:02:55.319 --> 00:03:01.030 testimony. So so, sort of you, if you can sort of rewind 46 00:03:01.189 --> 00:03:07.509 your mind back to maybe the months, weeks or maybe just a couple of 47 00:03:07.550 --> 00:03:13.620 days before before we initially met you at the abortion center, what was going 48 00:03:13.699 --> 00:03:21.460 on in your life? If you don't mind me asking, I was separated 49 00:03:21.819 --> 00:03:30.770 from my my other boys. Well, it's Gabriel's dad father. I guess, 50 00:03:30.090 --> 00:03:37.569 and he was on drugs. Very bad. Yeah, very, very 51 00:03:37.610 --> 00:03:42.520 bad, and I mean it was to a point to where, you know, 52 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:49.879 I mean he was doing things to hurt my kids. And you know, 53 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.199 not only was I having to deal with him, my mom, you 54 00:03:53.280 --> 00:04:00.669 know, she was going through Chemo for skin cancer, and it's just I 55 00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:03.509 was working at a place I just got a job and, you know, 56 00:04:04.069 --> 00:04:08.830 they had told me that if I had had him before a certain time, 57 00:04:08.830 --> 00:04:12.259 I wasn't going to be able to keep my job because I had to be 58 00:04:12.379 --> 00:04:16.660 there year in order to get maternity leave, and it's just everything was just 59 00:04:16.899 --> 00:04:25.129 piled up on me having to deal with their father. I really don't like 60 00:04:25.329 --> 00:04:28.769 saying that word, because he's not he's not been there at all. Yeah, 61 00:04:28.930 --> 00:04:32.610 so having a deal with him just by itself was enough. He was 62 00:04:32.649 --> 00:04:38.410 breaking into my home. He was, you know, very abusive. I 63 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.199 mean, you know, he just yeah, he put his hands on me. 64 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.560 I was I my placenta abrupted while I was pregnant with Gabriel because I 65 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:54.790 was basically thrown to the floor. Wow. So which one of the doctor 66 00:04:54.829 --> 00:04:59.670 who ended up actually delivering Gabriel used to come up here? I don't know 67 00:04:59.709 --> 00:05:05.069 if she still does Dr Collins? Yeah, I think knows. Yeah, 68 00:05:05.149 --> 00:05:10.899 it's a small room. Yeah, so she helped, you know, the 69 00:05:11.019 --> 00:05:15.540 whole abruption thing, clear it up and everything else. But yeah, so, 70 00:05:15.980 --> 00:05:17.420 you know, I mean it's safe to say there was a bunch of 71 00:05:17.500 --> 00:05:21.250 stuff going on yes, sort of like a storm, totally overwhelmed thing. 72 00:05:21.329 --> 00:05:25.889 The you whole life was kind of crashing in on you at that point. 73 00:05:26.209 --> 00:05:30.370 It really was. It was just I wouldn't wish what was going on on 74 00:05:30.569 --> 00:05:33.689 anybody. Yeah, anybody. Yeah, it is. And you were kind 75 00:05:33.689 --> 00:05:38.199 of all alone because your husband was not in the picture. Your mom is 76 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.800 obviously very sick and you felt the great responsibility towards what was going on with 77 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.439 her. Right and you found yourself pregnant. M Yeah, and I didn't 78 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:48.360 know what I was going to do with you know, I'm already got two 79 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:53.990 kids. How now am I going to provide for another kid, because I'm 80 00:05:53.990 --> 00:05:57.949 not getting any child support? I mean I was from her father, but 81 00:05:58.910 --> 00:06:00.910 not much at all. Yeah, you know, I think some folks can 82 00:06:00.949 --> 00:06:03.980 benefit. You know, folks are listening to a podcast can sort of benefit 83 00:06:04.019 --> 00:06:08.779 from from the story. In this sense. Is just, at least just 84 00:06:08.899 --> 00:06:11.339 the first couple of minutes that you shared is that you know, a woman 85 00:06:11.379 --> 00:06:14.740 that comes to an abortion clinic is I mean there are certainly some that are 86 00:06:14.779 --> 00:06:16.620 cut that come that are just sort of, you know, hardhearted, and 87 00:06:16.699 --> 00:06:21.889 they're just they're just wrapped up in selfishness and they're just going to come and 88 00:06:21.930 --> 00:06:25.370 do what they want to do, because controlling men, right. Yeah, 89 00:06:25.490 --> 00:06:27.889 they don't want to look they don't look bad in a bathing suit and so, 90 00:06:28.370 --> 00:06:31.490 you know, but not every woman. And I couldn't say majority or 91 00:06:31.529 --> 00:06:34.319 not majority, but either way we have to understand that there are folks that 92 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:40.399 come in very dire situations to an abortion clinic. Doesn't justify, you know, 93 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.399 what their plan to do, but it certainly should make us sort of 94 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.680 stop and think, how are we going to reach this person? Because it 95 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:49.750 felt impossible to you, but indeed absolutely felt I cannot do this. It 96 00:06:49.870 --> 00:06:56.110 did. I mean I'm completely always have been against abortion. That something I've 97 00:06:56.189 --> 00:07:00.069 always been against and coming up here it just, you know, it tore 98 00:07:00.189 --> 00:07:04.339 me up and I mean I was sitting in the parking lot just crying. 99 00:07:04.699 --> 00:07:10.139 Yeah, I mean it I just hated. Yeah, well, you think 100 00:07:10.379 --> 00:07:12.579 that whole drive, because you had a long drive. Yeah, so you're 101 00:07:12.620 --> 00:07:15.610 driving alone. Right, you're all alone. I'll drive into the abortion center 102 00:07:15.689 --> 00:07:19.449 for an hour and a half for something. And what's going through your head 103 00:07:19.449 --> 00:07:26.490 as sure? I just I know I cried probably just about the whole ride 104 00:07:26.569 --> 00:07:33.519 here. I just disappointment, I guess, and just I was overwhelmed with 105 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:40.639 everything. Yeah, it just was almost like nothing. It's just I was 106 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:45.750 just kind of zoned out the whole ride because I didn't know, like, 107 00:07:45.949 --> 00:07:50.029 I'm doing something I'm completely against. Then is it? When you say disappointment, 108 00:07:50.149 --> 00:07:55.110 you mean like disappointment in yourself or just kind of in myself, because 109 00:07:55.550 --> 00:08:01.420 I just, you know, not only that, you know I'm letting my 110 00:08:01.259 --> 00:08:05.860 parents down. I felt like I was letting everybody down just by, you 111 00:08:05.939 --> 00:08:09.379 know, coming up here because again, I'm just I'm not against, I 112 00:08:09.500 --> 00:08:15.529 mean I'm I am just so against that in general, against abortion. You 113 00:08:15.610 --> 00:08:20.050 mean. Yeah, and you are your parents? They are? Were They 114 00:08:20.250 --> 00:08:22.209 Christians? Are They Christians? Did they so they would, did they know? 115 00:08:22.930 --> 00:08:28.920 They knew? Okay, they knew, they knew and they were they 116 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:33.480 were kind of for me doing that because they knew my situation. So, 117 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.360 you know, I mean they weren't too happy that, you know, I 118 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:45.830 had chose not to just because, just because the situation I was in and 119 00:08:45.950 --> 00:08:48.149 they knew how hard it was going to be on me. But you know, 120 00:08:48.350 --> 00:08:52.309 I had to whenever I came back, I you know, talk to 121 00:08:52.389 --> 00:08:56.820 them about everything and everything was better in the end. So yeah, yeah, 122 00:08:56.860 --> 00:09:01.659 it's good's good. And and how he can sort of change hearts and 123 00:09:01.100 --> 00:09:05.379 sort of turn situations around. And of course we'll get to that in your 124 00:09:05.419 --> 00:09:09.659 life and how how the Lord did that. But when you arrive, so 125 00:09:09.820 --> 00:09:13.090 there's a lot of anxiety going on, there's a lot of disappointment in yourself, 126 00:09:13.129 --> 00:09:16.330 a lot of tears and all of that. When you are when you 127 00:09:16.409 --> 00:09:20.370 arrived to the abortion center, what was this the scene like, even if 128 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.169 you may not even have paid attention? You may have just been so teer 129 00:09:24.250 --> 00:09:26.879 eyed and so overwhelmed that you didn't even pay attention. But what was the 130 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:28.159 scene like, if you know what I mean, when you came to the 131 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:33.679 abortion center? Do you remember? I remember a little bit. I remember 132 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:41.909 driving up and seeing y'all on the sidewalks. Y'All weren't really pushy or anything 133 00:09:41.070 --> 00:09:43.789 like that. You are being, you know, real gentle about the whole 134 00:09:43.870 --> 00:09:48.710 situation and I could hear you guys talking and, you know, trying to 135 00:09:48.830 --> 00:09:52.659 tap me in the coming to speak with you and everything. And I think 136 00:09:52.659 --> 00:09:56.860 I want to say maybe when I was pulling in, when y'all may have 137 00:09:56.980 --> 00:10:00.779 stopped at my car and, you know, was like, you know, 138 00:10:00.940 --> 00:10:03.059 why don't you come and talk to us? We can, we can help 139 00:10:03.100 --> 00:10:07.970 you, and so I just went on and pulled into the parking lot and 140 00:10:09.090 --> 00:10:11.570 just sat there and just cried and cried and cried, and then I heard 141 00:10:11.610 --> 00:10:16.649 them talking about, you know, you want to ultrasound will show you the 142 00:10:16.809 --> 00:10:20.970 baby and all that, and I was like, you know, I was 143 00:10:20.169 --> 00:10:24.559 okay, let me, because I just I could not just I couldn't do 144 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:30.639 it. I just so when so somebody offered it was Vicki there. Okay, 145 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.200 so begin Sherry cheery. Yeah, yeah, so Sherry was very was 146 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.950 the nurse. Yeah, so they were sort of so somebody stopped and talked 147 00:10:37.990 --> 00:10:39.509 with you. Are you're on your way in. You like you went on 148 00:10:39.590 --> 00:10:43.309 end, but you still sat in the parking lot and and sort of his 149 00:10:43.389 --> 00:10:48.590 process and maybe the whole thing. And then what was there anything in particular? 150 00:10:48.830 --> 00:10:50.539 It was just the offer of the ultrasound that made you sort of okay. 151 00:10:50.659 --> 00:10:54.019 I'll just go give this a chance. Is that how it kind of 152 00:10:54.059 --> 00:10:58.419 worked? or it was it was really probably everything. I was hearing them 153 00:10:58.500 --> 00:11:01.820 speak and the things they were saying over the Intercom and then just knowing my 154 00:11:01.980 --> 00:11:07.610 beliefs and everything. Yeah, you know, it all just kind of brought 155 00:11:07.649 --> 00:11:09.570 it all together and I kind of just was like, okay, I can't 156 00:11:09.570 --> 00:11:13.730 do this. So speaking on the microphone and you were on the Micshone, 157 00:11:13.809 --> 00:11:16.889 we were on the microphone and you could hear us and you are on the 158 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:22.240 microphone. And back then I don't remember seeing the other people, the pro 159 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.440 choice people. Yeah, I don't really not have been out there yet back 160 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:28.159 then, four years ago, not so much. Yeah, at least not 161 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.600 on the side. I don't remember seeing them. Yeah, what were some 162 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.149 of the things? If you remember? You may not remember that you heard 163 00:11:35.230 --> 00:11:39.389 on the microphone. That maybe sort of kind of added to that whole, 164 00:11:39.870 --> 00:11:43.429 you know, decision and to rethink this thing and to come out. You 165 00:11:43.549 --> 00:11:46.990 Remember? I remember them saying that, you know, they can help me, 166 00:11:46.179 --> 00:11:56.419 obviously give me options, choices, to help me be able to do 167 00:11:56.620 --> 00:12:00.820 what I can, I guess, so that I can be able to have 168 00:12:01.100 --> 00:12:07.009 my baby and, you know, be able to live my life without needing 169 00:12:07.129 --> 00:12:09.129 all this worry. Yeah, you know, and I mean they did. 170 00:12:09.210 --> 00:12:13.529 Yeah, and so at that point, so you're in the parking lot, 171 00:12:13.570 --> 00:12:18.639 you're hearing people talk and offer the free ultrasound. Did you know what pulling 172 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.039 out back out of the parking are you just walk from the parking lot to 173 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.360 the to the RV, because eventually you went on the Mobultra saying right, 174 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:28.840 I don't did I pull out and, like you know, all over on 175 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:31.149 the side of the road? And Yeah, that I don't remember. I 176 00:12:31.309 --> 00:12:35.429 remember you getting out of the car crying and me hugging you. Yeah, 177 00:12:35.429 --> 00:12:39.230 I think I may have pulled out again parked ivory. Yeah, right. 178 00:12:39.549 --> 00:12:43.110 Only ask because I sort of I sort of think it's cool sometimes when somebody 179 00:12:43.110 --> 00:12:46.860 walks right out of the parking lot and comes out to the ultrasound unit instead 180 00:12:46.899 --> 00:12:48.220 of going in there, and it's like, you know, it does happen. 181 00:12:48.340 --> 00:12:52.299 But so you never actually even walked in. I never even walked in. 182 00:12:52.700 --> 00:12:56.700 So do you remember US talking about God? Yes, all, remember 183 00:12:56.740 --> 00:12:58.929 anything specific or just that, because I had must of its. You, 184 00:13:00.009 --> 00:13:03.210 as a Christian, hearing that reminder, mm, has to have had an 185 00:13:03.409 --> 00:13:07.370 impact. It did you at that time it did. I mean, I 186 00:13:07.529 --> 00:13:11.409 don't remember exactly what Y'all said, but I do remember because, you know, 187 00:13:11.529 --> 00:13:15.360 my beliefs are same age your beliefs. I don't believe in abortion. 188 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.360 I believe it's against what God wants you to do. I feel like he 189 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.759 gave you this baby for a reason. Yeah, you know, I've always 190 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:24.720 said that. I said that, you know, to my friends. Right. 191 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.870 I've had friend recently. I said the same thing to her and changed 192 00:13:28.909 --> 00:13:33.110 her heart. She turned and chose life. So you're kind of paying it 193 00:13:33.269 --> 00:13:35.909 forward what happened with you. Yeah, so it's just, you know, 194 00:13:37.990 --> 00:13:45.700 just them bringing up, you know, versus and God and all that over 195 00:13:45.860 --> 00:13:50.460 the microphone kind of just it just brought it all back out. Yeah, 196 00:13:50.700 --> 00:13:54.139 and I was just like, you know, this is such an important point, 197 00:13:54.139 --> 00:13:56.929 I think, because I would say most of the women that come to 198 00:13:56.970 --> 00:14:01.049 an abortion center, at least here in the south, say that they know 199 00:14:01.250 --> 00:14:07.169 the Lord, but and and that's always you know, it's like you know 200 00:14:07.330 --> 00:14:16.679 the Lord, but you're here and yet you you understand that. You understand 201 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:24.110 you can love the Lord and be so focused on the struggle that you lose 202 00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:31.110 sight of God for at least for that moments of panic. And so how 203 00:14:31.149 --> 00:14:37.820 would you deal with someone like you that comes and and and knows good but 204 00:14:37.980 --> 00:14:43.220 you're feeling this desperation? What are the things that you now, having gone 205 00:14:43.259 --> 00:14:46.299 through this? What are the sorts of things that you would have wanted or 206 00:14:46.340 --> 00:14:52.730 you would want to say to them? I don't know, I guess you 207 00:14:52.850 --> 00:14:58.049 know there are you have all these options. You know, you don't have 208 00:14:58.210 --> 00:15:05.450 to go the way that the devil's pushing you to go. You know, 209 00:15:05.769 --> 00:15:09.919 there's if you can't take care of baby, there's people out there that will, 210 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.879 will love to have your baby or you know, they give you all 211 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.600 these resources so that you know you can find a way to be able to 212 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.309 do everything on your own. And then I would bring them into my situation 213 00:15:22.389 --> 00:15:28.710 and tell them, you know, how my life ended up being and you 214 00:15:28.830 --> 00:15:33.269 know, hopefully that would change their mind because I mean, yeah, yeah, 215 00:15:33.429 --> 00:15:35.700 Lord is done. There in certainly a lot in your life. Just 216 00:15:37.019 --> 00:15:39.500 the little bits that I've heard, even from Vicky, and you shoot your 217 00:15:39.539 --> 00:15:45.500 testimony before a couple of thousand people are more would love life several weeks ago, 218 00:15:45.539 --> 00:15:50.210 and that was really a powerful, powerful testimony. So you eventually came 219 00:15:50.289 --> 00:15:54.009 out again, out of the abortion center and ended up going on board the 220 00:15:54.049 --> 00:16:00.129 Mobile Ultra saying ultrasound unit. Share sort of the the you may not remember, 221 00:16:00.210 --> 00:16:02.690 certainly I don't think you probably would remember all the details, but what 222 00:16:02.850 --> 00:16:07.200 was that experience like going on the mobile ultrasound unit and just ultimately seeing your 223 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.279 baby? If you don't mind to share a little bit of that experience? 224 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.720 Well, you know, of course I went on there and they gave me 225 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:17.039 the ultrasound. I could see him, you know, for a while. 226 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.830 We're at that time I was probably about six weeks. Okay, yeah, 227 00:16:19.830 --> 00:16:23.190 so you've something like that. Maybe five or six weeks APP beating heart. 228 00:16:23.269 --> 00:16:27.950 Yeah, we seen the heartbeat and everything. So even though I was, 229 00:16:29.590 --> 00:16:33.059 you know, only five or six weeks. Yeah, you know, hurt 230 00:16:33.100 --> 00:16:37.580 his heart seeing it's hard everything. They printed off a bunch of pictures. 231 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:40.820 I still have those pictures. Well, and gave them to me. And 232 00:16:41.580 --> 00:16:45.500 do you remember the first time? It's cold. May Be a weird question, 233 00:16:45.539 --> 00:16:48.809 I don't know, but the first time you saw his heart beatings, 234 00:16:48.850 --> 00:16:52.649 you remember sort of the the impact of that? It just it kind of 235 00:16:52.250 --> 00:16:56.090 it broke my heart and away knowing what I was about to do. HMM, 236 00:16:56.450 --> 00:17:00.519 and you know, once I seen that heartbeat, I just I knew. 237 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:04.319 I was like, I'm doing the right thing by not going through with 238 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.599 it. Yeah, that was the turning point done for you really was seeing 239 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:12.240 that beating hard. Yeah, yeah, and got so good. Sort of, 240 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.640 and I don't say that to tout our horn. You know, we're 241 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.309 out there by God's grace, but and of course it's his his spirits sort 242 00:17:18.349 --> 00:17:21.589 of working on your heart and all of that, but it's just the lord 243 00:17:22.309 --> 00:17:25.269 sort of puts things in our way, not sort of definitely puts things in 244 00:17:25.390 --> 00:17:29.390 our in our path to get us to turn to him and to do the 245 00:17:29.430 --> 00:17:33.059 right thing. And and that's ultimately what what you did by His grace. 246 00:17:33.220 --> 00:17:37.019 You remember after that point on the mobile unit, if you had sort of 247 00:17:37.059 --> 00:17:41.900 any any experience of like, you know, Vicky counseling with you and sort 248 00:17:41.900 --> 00:17:47.450 of walking you through sort of some of the resources and stuff like that, 249 00:17:47.730 --> 00:17:51.769 you remember that. I remember Vicky see me down. You know, we 250 00:17:51.930 --> 00:17:57.009 discussed my situation, her and Sherry both, and we were talking about, 251 00:17:57.329 --> 00:18:03.160 you know, what my options were and you know that they would be here 252 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:08.359 for me. They had counselors that would stay with me. Were you and 253 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:11.319 doing your at that point of losing your job, because I do know shortly 254 00:18:11.950 --> 00:18:17.950 wasn't and I know that we counseled and talked about and you did a great 255 00:18:17.990 --> 00:18:21.549 job on your own, but I know that we were involved in some parts 256 00:18:21.630 --> 00:18:25.150 and saying, Hey, this is illegal, they can't. They weren't moving 257 00:18:25.190 --> 00:18:30.420 you, they weren't moving you to a place where you could work safely being 258 00:18:30.579 --> 00:18:34.180 pregnant. Correct right, my pass Anta was abrupted. This is before, 259 00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:37.779 you know, I had you know, the doctor fixed it and everything, 260 00:18:38.019 --> 00:18:45.769 but when I passent abrupt died. I was working at a job, a 261 00:18:45.890 --> 00:18:52.089 car, car manufacture, right right, and I was having a lift heavy 262 00:18:52.170 --> 00:18:55.839 boxes and kind of do strain you as thing, and they knew you were 263 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:57.480 pregnant. They knew I was rightened. Right, okay, they knew I 264 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:02.240 was pregnant. I went up to them. I was already trained in another 265 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:06.720 section that was not hard, yeah, and I had asked them if I 266 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:11.509 could just be moved over there and they refuse to move me over there. 267 00:19:11.430 --> 00:19:15.670 And so and I had been cramping and I was kind of worried. So 268 00:19:15.869 --> 00:19:19.390 I was like, you know, I can't keep doing this because something bad 269 00:19:19.509 --> 00:19:25.420 is going to happen. Right, this happened Cup maybe a week or two 270 00:19:25.500 --> 00:19:27.900 after I came up here, right, because I recall that you called and 271 00:19:29.259 --> 00:19:33.619 and you're like, what do I do? Yeah, and and now I 272 00:19:33.700 --> 00:19:37.299 don't quite remember if you fought it legally, but we certainly gave you resources 273 00:19:37.339 --> 00:19:41.970 saying, yes, they can't do this, this is illegal. They cannot 274 00:19:41.049 --> 00:19:45.970 fire you for for being pregnant. That's against the law. You gave me 275 00:19:45.089 --> 00:19:49.369 resources, you told me get in touch with the EOC, right, and 276 00:19:49.809 --> 00:19:55.799 so I did end up going and going through with all that. It is 277 00:19:55.960 --> 00:20:04.920 considered sexual harassment. Right. So whenever they when you're pregnant and they don't 278 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:15.710 move you to a part to where physically you can work, that that's illegal. 279 00:20:15.869 --> 00:20:18.509 Right. So, which is so important because, I will say there 280 00:20:18.549 --> 00:20:22.579 are a huge number of women who come here who find themselves pregnant. They're 281 00:20:22.579 --> 00:20:25.740 working, they must work, they need that income, and they say, 282 00:20:25.779 --> 00:20:29.259 I'll be fired. I've been told I'll be fired. Well, that's illegal, 283 00:20:29.700 --> 00:20:30.740 and so it's good to know about. Yes, so you fought it. 284 00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:36.130 I didn't fought it, and and one. So, and then there 285 00:20:36.250 --> 00:20:38.250 was the baby shower. I'm sure that was offered. Yes, yes, 286 00:20:38.289 --> 00:20:42.970 y'all came and y'all. Sherry drove about two hours, I think, and 287 00:20:44.490 --> 00:20:48.849 drove to my mom's house and brought me so much stuff I didn't have to 288 00:20:48.930 --> 00:20:52.319 get anything for him at all. Like that was a blessing. That was 289 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.720 through truth and mercy pro life ministries with Caryl Chandler. She supplied the things 290 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:02.480 and then you could not come out here. So Sherry, the nurse drove, 291 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:04.910 drove and brought you all of those those things. And was that helpful? 292 00:21:06.069 --> 00:21:08.470 Oh, it was very, very helpful, very helpful. Yeah, 293 00:21:10.990 --> 00:21:15.670 so you're just kind of talking through the different resources and connections that right there 294 00:21:15.750 --> 00:21:18.299 you were able to make with her. Yeah, and so, you know, 295 00:21:18.539 --> 00:21:22.140 maybe I'm jumping ahead, I don't know, but after that point, 296 00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:26.259 you know, you saw Gabriel's at that time. You got knew his name, 297 00:21:26.339 --> 00:21:30.019 but maybe you hadn't had named him yet. He saw his heartbeat pretty 298 00:21:30.019 --> 00:21:33.890 quickly, didn't you? Yeah, what is do date? He was do 299 00:21:33.089 --> 00:21:38.210 on Christmas Day. Okay, they told me in the ultrasound that his okay, 300 00:21:38.250 --> 00:21:41.009 dude, it was Christmas Day and even when I went to the doctor 301 00:21:41.130 --> 00:21:44.529 it was saying Christmas Day and I was like, well, you know what, 302 00:21:44.609 --> 00:21:47.799 I want to name him something. You know that has to do with 303 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.799 the Bible or Christmas, because he's doing Christmas. So I named him Gabriel. 304 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.720 was a kind of like a an affirmation from God. When you when 305 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.960 you heard Christmas Day, I remember us. I'll just saying, oh, 306 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.990 only God. Yeah, yeah, so you UN it, you saw his 307 00:22:04.109 --> 00:22:07.990 heartbeat. You the lord sort of, I guess, solidified your decision to 308 00:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.069 for life rather than abortion. You heard about the resources and all of that 309 00:22:12.190 --> 00:22:18.900 stuff. was there a point where you felt that a burden had sort of 310 00:22:18.980 --> 00:22:22.619 been lifted from your shoulders? Like this, you know, Hu can breathe 311 00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:25.740 again now. Is there a point of that? Yes, yes, I 312 00:22:25.859 --> 00:22:29.019 mean, you know, going back home, still having a deal with that 313 00:22:29.180 --> 00:22:32.730 stuff. Of course, you know that burden was still there. Yeah, 314 00:22:33.009 --> 00:22:37.769 but the you know, the resources that you guys had gave me help me 315 00:22:37.009 --> 00:22:41.410 get out of that. Yeah, you know, before I even left, 316 00:22:41.450 --> 00:22:45.440 Y'all had gave me, I think, two or three bags full of maternity 317 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:52.400 clothes and sure your youngest was then five, something like that. He was 318 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.000 one hit there, eighteen months apart. Oh, that's all? Yeah, 319 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:59.269 well, God, only eighteen months apart. So he was still young to 320 00:22:59.509 --> 00:23:02.950 and you got, I think y'all gave me some like gender neutral clothes to 321 00:23:03.829 --> 00:23:07.910 so to help out, you know, with that. But yeah, Y'all 322 00:23:08.269 --> 00:23:14.980 help me so much and I ended up being able to I think you helped 323 00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:19.140 me find a lawyer that was a pro bono lawyer for domestic violence. I 324 00:23:19.259 --> 00:23:25.019 ended up getting a expart a okay, and guess at that point you really 325 00:23:25.059 --> 00:23:27.730 weren't sure. How do I get out of this? I know it's dangerous, 326 00:23:27.849 --> 00:23:32.490 I know it's damaging, but I have no money to help and it 327 00:23:32.609 --> 00:23:36.609 again, with the magic of Google, we found yeah, we found resources 328 00:23:36.809 --> 00:23:38.130 to help you and they did help you. Yes, yes, she was 329 00:23:38.170 --> 00:23:42.240 able to get that granted for me, and so I ended up with the 330 00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:48.000 restraint in order and it may not have worked for a couple years, but 331 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:52.160 yeah, I mean I ended up moving back on my parents to get him 332 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.990 to stay away, but yeah, it was just I mean that's kind of 333 00:23:56.029 --> 00:24:00.910 the point you're making here in the point, I mean folks should be hearing 334 00:24:00.109 --> 00:24:04.910 is that even when a mom chooses life in such a sort of drastic way 335 00:24:04.910 --> 00:24:10.660 at an abortion clinic, it doesn't mean the situation that seems like abortion was 336 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:14.099 a good option for her just goes away. It's like you chose life on 337 00:24:14.140 --> 00:24:17.700 that mobile, just how you saw your baby's heartbeat. But your situation was 338 00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:21.220 still there, there was still the stuff going on and you still had to 339 00:24:21.259 --> 00:24:26.730 kind of go back into that hmm where there's some things said by either Vicky 340 00:24:26.849 --> 00:24:30.609 or the nerves or even the lord in your heart that helped you. The 341 00:24:30.690 --> 00:24:36.529 help comfort you and helped you fight that battle back at home. Just knowing 342 00:24:37.210 --> 00:24:41.839 the resources that you guys gave me and, you know, knowing that I 343 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:47.359 had people there to help me and help guide me in the direction that I 344 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:52.759 needed to go to be able to, you know, get through all that. 345 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:57.829 That helped me a whole lot. Yeah, and feel all alone. 346 00:24:57.869 --> 00:25:02.950 I didn't feel alone anymore because at that time I was extremely alone, like 347 00:25:03.150 --> 00:25:06.309 nobody was in my corner at all. Right, yeah, you know, 348 00:25:06.430 --> 00:25:07.500 can be a tough situation. It can, and it you know, it's 349 00:25:07.539 --> 00:25:11.779 overwhelming to a councilor to I think, when when there's someone with the host 350 00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:17.539 of really severe issues that that you came with, and I think so many 351 00:25:17.539 --> 00:25:22.849 people in the pro life movement can be overwhelmed and can say what can we 352 00:25:22.930 --> 00:25:26.210 do? How can we help this? And we're nobody. You didn't know 353 00:25:26.369 --> 00:25:30.009 how to help either. But we knew that God is a mighty God. 354 00:25:30.529 --> 00:25:34.609 You had just made this amazing choice in the midst of your circumstances had not 355 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:37.799 yet changed. But we know that God will provide a way. And and 356 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:42.400 you know, there's just there's a network. Everybody has a network of friends 357 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:48.359 and people and Google that you can you can call a fer if the Google 358 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.029 company would be happy with the fact that we're using their their search engine to 359 00:25:52.150 --> 00:25:55.950 help women seuse life or that. But it was more that you knew there 360 00:25:56.029 --> 00:25:57.869 was someone in your corner. I like how you said that there was someone 361 00:25:57.910 --> 00:26:04.859 else fighting for you so that you weren't all alone. Yeah, that's pretty 362 00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:08.259 amazing again, how the Lord can can bring those things about. You know, 363 00:26:08.380 --> 00:26:12.099 I'm amazed sometimes by, you know, as a ministry, as we 364 00:26:12.220 --> 00:26:17.779 encounter situations like yours and other situations, of the stuff that the lord sort 365 00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:22.410 of puts on our lap and the organizations that we end up connecting with to 366 00:26:22.809 --> 00:26:25.890 meet needs that were like, well, I didn't even know this organization existed. 367 00:26:26.450 --> 00:26:29.730 And you know, I think for example of organizations doesn't have to do 368 00:26:29.809 --> 00:26:33.880 with your story, but with the MOM, couple of MOMS we've encountered that 369 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.319 our drug addicted that are pregnant. It's like this amazing organizations were opened up 370 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:42.680 that has a maternity home for drug addicted women. It's like, who knew, 371 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.880 you know, and then we, I think Google helped us, found 372 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.910 that right. That again, it was another thing and I think that is 373 00:26:49.029 --> 00:26:52.990 just such an important message to anyone who. You probably encountered it with the 374 00:26:53.029 --> 00:26:56.630 friend that you talked into, you know, choose life, and then you're 375 00:26:56.670 --> 00:27:00.619 like, but now what? Yeah, but but now what? Is Now? 376 00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:06.339 God, and and trust that there is a way. When you make 377 00:27:06.380 --> 00:27:10.500 a choice for life, God will make a way. Yeah, well, 378 00:27:10.539 --> 00:27:11.900 let's talk a little bit more about it. You've shared some of that. 379 00:27:11.980 --> 00:27:15.730 I mean, like a lawyer, that was that you helped her connected with 380 00:27:15.730 --> 00:27:19.289 the lawyers. Are Right, it's pretty pretty amazing. And trying to handle 381 00:27:19.329 --> 00:27:23.730 that situation, which in itself is a difficult situation, where you scratch your 382 00:27:23.769 --> 00:27:26.289 head and like, okay, how do you deal with this? Thank God 383 00:27:26.329 --> 00:27:30.680 that situation was dealt with, but there other stuff going on. You already 384 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:37.799 mentioned the job situation with have that situation paying out. Well, I ended 385 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:42.079 up losing my God, yeah, so that I ended up taking them the 386 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:47.230 core or the EOC did because of it being, you know, it's illegal 387 00:27:47.269 --> 00:27:52.509 what they were doing. Yeah, I ended up, it's about a year 388 00:27:52.549 --> 00:27:56.150 later, they end up hiring me back. Okay, so I ended up 389 00:27:56.190 --> 00:27:57.549 getting that job back at the same place. They just put me in a 390 00:27:57.579 --> 00:28:03.539 different department and they ended up, I want, my lawsuit with them and 391 00:28:03.579 --> 00:28:08.180 everything else. So that kind of helped build everything back up and, you 392 00:28:08.299 --> 00:28:14.410 know, it kind of made things better. Yeah, but you know, 393 00:28:14.490 --> 00:28:18.730 it was a good paying job. I was able to, you know, 394 00:28:18.890 --> 00:28:22.369 get on my own with my kids and everything, and I met my now 395 00:28:22.450 --> 00:28:26.440 husband there. He's my trainer. Oh really, how that's that's a fairy 396 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:33.799 story then, then, because you come out of such a really horrific relationship 397 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:38.640 and kids that you love and and and then you meet the love of your 398 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:45.910 life and so God kind of opened a whole bunch of doors for you following 399 00:28:45.029 --> 00:28:48.950 that choice for life. He did. Yeah, now with all a better 400 00:28:48.950 --> 00:28:52.670 roses along the way. Right now, it wasn't. But you know, 401 00:28:53.230 --> 00:29:00.180 once you know, it took me a good I would say two years, 402 00:29:00.579 --> 00:29:04.059 because Gabriel, I think, was like too maybe when he came in the 403 00:29:04.099 --> 00:29:08.019 picture. So he's about turn for so, yeah, it took about two 404 00:29:08.019 --> 00:29:15.210 years for it to finally level itself out kind of. But you know, 405 00:29:15.970 --> 00:29:19.809 finally after that third year, everything is way better. Yeah, much better. 406 00:29:21.089 --> 00:29:23.130 Bear in what I could have ever imagined. Yeah, he is a 407 00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:27.160 scripture that comes to mind for me. Jesus said in this world you will 408 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.839 have tribulation. So this like, okay, you're going to have stuff going 409 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.279 on, but he says, but take joy, for I have overcome the 410 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.400 world. And that scripture, of course, is you know, he's talking 411 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.549 to his disciples and he's saying, Hey, you guys are going to be 412 00:29:40.990 --> 00:29:42.349 really persecuted and you're going to people are going to mess with you, it's 413 00:29:42.349 --> 00:29:45.869 going to be life's not gonna be easy for you, but I've overcome the 414 00:29:45.910 --> 00:29:48.029 world, and that certainly can apply to us. Going to part of your 415 00:29:48.069 --> 00:29:52.109 situations, like you're going to have tribulation, there's me stuff in a following 416 00:29:52.109 --> 00:29:55.660 world. That happens, but take joy, I've overcome the world. And 417 00:29:55.819 --> 00:30:00.779 really clinging to him, clinging to the promises of God, is what helps 418 00:30:00.859 --> 00:30:03.579 us in him to overcome the world. Can you talk a little bit about 419 00:30:03.859 --> 00:30:07.930 how sort of maybe I could be making an assumption, I don't know, 420 00:30:07.369 --> 00:30:12.450 but your walk with the Lord had had sort of been set in a better 421 00:30:12.490 --> 00:30:15.410 direction since you had chosen life. You took a little bit about that. 422 00:30:15.730 --> 00:30:18.730 Now I did start going back to church more. Okay, I'm at that 423 00:30:18.809 --> 00:30:22.680 point, because I wasn't going to church as much. Yeah, I was 424 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.359 just overwhelmed with that job I had. It was just it. I was 425 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:32.319 working all the time. But so I started going back to church and everything, 426 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.240 and it was like as soon as I started going back to church and, 427 00:30:36.470 --> 00:30:41.349 you know, started making all the better decisions, that's when and everything 428 00:30:41.509 --> 00:30:45.470 started coming together. So, you know, I feel like by me bringing 429 00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:51.579 that back into my life, you know, things got better for me. 430 00:30:51.700 --> 00:30:56.059 Yeah, which they're change from. I was just talking to someone today about 431 00:30:56.180 --> 00:30:59.940 that, that there can be a belief in God, but that can be 432 00:31:00.099 --> 00:31:04.930 different from following God and submitting a life to God. And what was that 433 00:31:06.410 --> 00:31:11.490 something that you can relate to? Yes, yeah, and I mean it's 434 00:31:14.490 --> 00:31:19.400 I don't want to get into like before all this, like before the kids 435 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.519 and everything else, but I had a bad point in my time in my 436 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.839 life, way before them, and you know, I mean it was dark. 437 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:32.440 A lot of people can't get out of that. Yeah, you know, 438 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.589 like with drug addictions. Yeah, you kind of got to, you 439 00:31:36.710 --> 00:31:40.589 know, fight through it all and, you know, pray. I had 440 00:31:40.630 --> 00:31:44.190 to move away to get away from the things I was being around and I 441 00:31:44.269 --> 00:31:48.539 joined the army and got away from it, and so it just, you 442 00:31:48.619 --> 00:31:52.940 know, you kind of got a and when I was in basic I read 443 00:31:53.619 --> 00:31:56.380 the Bible every single night. That was the one thing we could have, 444 00:31:57.299 --> 00:32:00.809 is we could have our bibles and I would read. I started at Genesis 445 00:32:01.009 --> 00:32:05.769 and I read I can't remember. I think I stopped at Matthew, but 446 00:32:06.089 --> 00:32:10.170 we I read every single day a and my book whiles and Basic Training and 447 00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:14.569 aid and I feel like that's what got me through that, I feel like, 448 00:32:14.849 --> 00:32:17.880 and I was the smallest person. So I feel like by me, 449 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.160 you know, my faith would God and all that has got me through so 450 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:29.400 much. Yeah, so, so much, not just my past relationship with 451 00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:35.390 the the kids and you know, it's just been from my whole life. 452 00:32:35.390 --> 00:32:40.230 Yeah, right, yeah, so the Lord's been there. Even when you 453 00:32:40.430 --> 00:32:44.700 showed up at an abortion clinic, like the Lord was there. Hmm, 454 00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:50.420 sounds like the Lord is everywhere. Yeah, it sounds like this darkest places 455 00:32:50.539 --> 00:32:53.500 there is who corey ten boom? That said, there is no pit that 456 00:32:53.700 --> 00:32:59.289 you can dig that God is not deeper still. Yeah, you know that 457 00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:04.250 he's there in our deepest, darkest place and we do need to make the 458 00:33:04.369 --> 00:33:07.650 choice to reach out to him. And I think that that's kind of what 459 00:33:07.769 --> 00:33:12.490 happened when you walked out of that abortion clinic. You said, okay, 460 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.839 I'm going to trust you now. Yeah, I'm not just going to believe 461 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:17.839 in you, I'm going to trust. Nothing's changed, nothing had changed. 462 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.160 You were crying in the car. Nothing had changed, but you walked out 463 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.440 of there and and trusted that God was going to make away, and he 464 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:30.509 did. MMM, yeah, he definitely did. Yeah, now, I 465 00:33:30.549 --> 00:33:31.869 don't want to put you on the spot with this question. You can say 466 00:33:31.910 --> 00:33:35.630 I don't want to answer that question because you know, I don't want to. 467 00:33:35.910 --> 00:33:37.789 I don't people to have a bad view of your parents or anything like 468 00:33:37.910 --> 00:33:40.500 that, because there was a lot going on in their lives. There's a 469 00:33:40.579 --> 00:33:44.539 lot going on in your life, but when you made that choice for life, 470 00:33:44.740 --> 00:33:46.819 how difficult was it to sort of break that news to your parents and 471 00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:51.940 say, Hey, you know what, I'm keeping this baby and I'm going 472 00:33:51.980 --> 00:33:53.500 to trust God and I'm going to move forward with this thing? Was that? 473 00:33:53.660 --> 00:33:58.170 was that a hard thing for them to swallow, and I mean they 474 00:33:58.210 --> 00:34:01.009 were a little disappointed at first. My parents, you know, they're Christians. 475 00:34:01.130 --> 00:34:05.529 They didn't believe in it either, but they just were saying my situation 476 00:34:06.009 --> 00:34:09.000 and you know what I was about to have to deal with and they knew 477 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.079 who I was dealing with as well, so they didn't want to see me 478 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:21.599 any deeper into that situation than I already was. Yeah, but it when 479 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.590 I got home, you know, I'm just I am the type of person, 480 00:34:24.789 --> 00:34:30.590 though, that I don't let really anybody like that tell me, you 481 00:34:30.710 --> 00:34:34.989 know, I have to do this. I've never been like that, you 482 00:34:35.070 --> 00:34:37.190 know. I just went home and I was like, I can't, I 483 00:34:37.269 --> 00:34:38.980 can't do it. Yeah, I'll just I'll figure out what I can do. 484 00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:43.739 You can be disappointed to me, I don't care. Yeah, it's 485 00:34:43.860 --> 00:34:47.980 just something that I had to I've always I've been like that. But yeah, 486 00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:52.329 sort of sort of hardheaded in a good way. Yeah, but now 487 00:34:52.409 --> 00:34:59.250 they see the this wonderful, adorable, yeah, little boy that that I 488 00:34:59.449 --> 00:35:01.849 know the rest of your children a Dor, I'm sure, the grandparents a 489 00:35:01.969 --> 00:35:10.079 door to. Yeah, and the Jay Carl, yes, has completely embraced. 490 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.239 He has father to all of your child Yes, he don't have any 491 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.960 of his own. So he has took all three of my kids in. 492 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:23.190 Like there he is, and it's just, you know, the first day 493 00:35:23.750 --> 00:35:27.869 the boys met him, they literally ran up to him and I was like, 494 00:35:27.989 --> 00:35:31.909 Daddy, yeah, I thought he was going to run away, I 495 00:35:31.989 --> 00:35:35.469 thought he was never gonna speaight to me. Yeah, but he just picked 496 00:35:35.510 --> 00:35:38.659 them up and just from that point on it was just he was dad either 497 00:35:38.780 --> 00:35:43.380 them. Yeah, the first day I met him. That's cool. That's 498 00:35:43.420 --> 00:35:47.460 cool. So you so your parents heart changed and that matter, they sort 499 00:35:47.539 --> 00:35:50.889 of came around through the fact that okay, she's going to do this and 500 00:35:50.969 --> 00:35:54.289 they embrace that idea and they love their their little grandson, and I'm sure 501 00:35:54.369 --> 00:35:59.489 they give him candy and ice cream and all that. Oh, yes, 502 00:35:59.570 --> 00:36:01.449 and then drop him off that. Yeah, that's right, full him up 503 00:36:01.449 --> 00:36:05.760 with sugar and drive him off to run around the house. Yeah, so 504 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:14.320 you can really talk about how situations change. Yes, and and to make 505 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:19.389 a decision when you're in the worst spot you've ever been, that is a 506 00:36:19.469 --> 00:36:23.389 life or death decision, is maybe not a great time to be making that 507 00:36:23.550 --> 00:36:29.150 decision, right, because things changed, and in your case they changed really 508 00:36:29.150 --> 00:36:32.340 dramatically from where you were yes, three years ago. Yeah, yes, 509 00:36:32.739 --> 00:36:36.900 you. One of the the words I like in these sort of scenarios is 510 00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:38.739 sort of that word. It's at a word, or maybe it's two words. 511 00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:44.940 Full Circle. It's come full circle. My beadcition there maybe DA hiphinated 512 00:36:44.980 --> 00:36:47.409 words are one word, but yeah, full circling. And when, I 513 00:36:49.409 --> 00:36:53.570 know when some of your story and no one you from, from your relationship 514 00:36:53.570 --> 00:36:59.690 with Vicki and everything, seeing you sort of come full circle in the sense 515 00:36:59.769 --> 00:37:02.480 that you've actually come to this abortion clinic and shared your testimony of how you 516 00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:07.400 chose life and even beyond that. Before that you helped a friend of yours 517 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.800 that you worked with, I believe, so you worked with who was thinking 518 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:15.909 abortion. You help them to choose life and even brought him here to have 519 00:37:15.309 --> 00:37:19.110 a baby shower that we did here in the office, which was really a 520 00:37:19.150 --> 00:37:22.909 blessing to us and hopefully it was a blessing to her. But yeah, 521 00:37:22.909 --> 00:37:28.030 I mean you've sort of come really full circle here and now on the podcast 522 00:37:28.110 --> 00:37:30.340 here, but also in front of the crowds of, you know, thousand 523 00:37:30.380 --> 00:37:35.340 people or more and on the radio that you didn't know about, your testimony 524 00:37:35.500 --> 00:37:39.380 was shared. That's powerful. Share a little bit about, if you don't 525 00:37:39.380 --> 00:37:43.619 mind, your feelings in coming here again. That that was. was that 526 00:37:43.699 --> 00:37:46.530 your first time ever coming back? It was this this latrobe drive. It 527 00:37:46.809 --> 00:37:51.690 was furt. When I pulled in, I just I got emotional right off 528 00:37:51.769 --> 00:37:53.369 the bat. I got out of the car and seeing Vicky and I just 529 00:37:54.329 --> 00:37:58.920 and I helped her again and she cried again. Yeah, I lost it. 530 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.519 Yeah, I just just coming up here does brought all those memories back. 531 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.719 Yeah, and it just kind of tore me up inside that I had 532 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.440 even thought about that. Yeah, season. Yeah, well, you nervous. 533 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.670 I was very nervous. Yeah, it's ready to pass out, but 534 00:38:15.949 --> 00:38:20.590 in Beninese, and she didn't take breath to put my arms around her butt. 535 00:38:21.030 --> 00:38:24.389 So, which makes it all the more remarkable, because you were terrified. 536 00:38:24.670 --> 00:38:30.059 Never done anything like that. What compelled you to get in front of 537 00:38:30.139 --> 00:38:36.659 those two thousand people and speak? Just hoping that I can reach somebody who's 538 00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:39.139 in my type of situation or in the situation I used to be in. 539 00:38:39.860 --> 00:38:44.530 I just I wanted, you know, that to kind of help somebody in 540 00:38:44.610 --> 00:38:46.570 that situation if they were able to hear it. Yeah, so, like 541 00:38:46.969 --> 00:38:51.769 I you know, I just wanted it to you know, yeah, help 542 00:38:52.050 --> 00:38:54.920 somebody. Yeah, and we know it did and that that testimony was shared 543 00:38:54.920 --> 00:39:01.159 all over the Internet because I shared it other people. But you also, 544 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:07.679 as we're leaving the speech, which is just so moving and wonderful, you 545 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:16.989 saw pro choice people mmm in their vast and saying pro choice. And what 546 00:39:17.190 --> 00:39:22.349 happened with them went when in your in your heart, as you're looking at 547 00:39:22.590 --> 00:39:25.820 them, who are actively trying to prevent us from giving the information, and 548 00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:32.059 that allowed and helped you to make a choice for that precious life. Well, 549 00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:37.219 Vicky said, it was okay, okay, because I walked up to 550 00:39:37.300 --> 00:39:40.489 them and, you know, told them, you know, a little bit 551 00:39:40.530 --> 00:39:45.170 of my story and told them that if they had been there the day that 552 00:39:45.289 --> 00:39:49.489 I came, my son may not be here. And they are like, 553 00:39:49.690 --> 00:39:52.119 well, that was your choice, and I was like, yes, that 554 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:58.320 was my choice. Or what about my baby's choice? Yeah, and they 555 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.320 turn their backs on me. They completely just shut me off. There was 556 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:07.429 one girl who had her face completely covered with a sign the whole time. 557 00:40:07.510 --> 00:40:10.710 She wouldn't even let us look at her face. Yeah, and I didn't 558 00:40:10.710 --> 00:40:14.469 even realize that to I started looking at pictures, I'm like, I remember, 559 00:40:14.510 --> 00:40:16.269 she didn't even let us see her face. Yeah, it's like she's 560 00:40:16.309 --> 00:40:22.179 almost kind of what is that word? I'm looking a shame, a shame 561 00:40:22.659 --> 00:40:24.780 to even be out there. Yeah, well, it could be because, 562 00:40:24.820 --> 00:40:28.300 you know, a lot of times when we, you know, we could 563 00:40:28.300 --> 00:40:31.460 do it as prolifers, we can view this issue as sort of just political 564 00:40:32.340 --> 00:40:38.130 and in disconnect it from human beings, disconnected from real life. I think 565 00:40:38.170 --> 00:40:42.130 it can happen again on pro life side of thinking, captain, certainly on 566 00:40:42.210 --> 00:40:46.449 the pro choice side, and whenever your face to face with the reality of 567 00:40:46.650 --> 00:40:52.559 the choice or the the opposite of that choice, and your face to face 568 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.320 with a woman who had almost that choice who's saying to you that, if 569 00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.639 you would have been here and and try to prevent these people from talking to 570 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.429 me, which is what they're that's their goal out here. Yeah, then 571 00:41:04.510 --> 00:41:07.590 I quite possibly would not have my son, who's a blessing, and rather 572 00:41:07.710 --> 00:41:12.750 than process, process that and rethink their their persuasion. Maybe some of them 573 00:41:12.789 --> 00:41:15.949 did, hopefully they did. They just sort of turn their back on you 574 00:41:15.030 --> 00:41:21.059 and they couldn't answer my question. Yet all they they just couldn't answer. 575 00:41:21.219 --> 00:41:22.980 Just turn their backs. Yeah, now, these are the folks that oftentimes 576 00:41:23.019 --> 00:41:28.699 tell themselves as the most open minded and and the most willing to listen to 577 00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:31.539 everyone and anybody. And it seems that that wasn't the case, at least 578 00:41:31.579 --> 00:41:35.769 that day, where and you know things. That's a pro choice, but 579 00:41:35.809 --> 00:41:42.289 you, they're not trying to tell them, but you're blocking the choice that 580 00:41:42.449 --> 00:41:46.090 saved my baby. You're blocking the choice for life. You guys give more 581 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.400 choices than they ever would. They only do one choice. That's not a 582 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.800 choice. They're pro abortion. That's all they are. They're not pro choice. 583 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:58.719 If they were pro choice, they would be given choices to these women, 584 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.909 right, not pushing them to that abortion clinic. Yeah, because, 585 00:42:02.469 --> 00:42:07.670 you know, you guys are given the choices and the options to help them 586 00:42:07.869 --> 00:42:15.269 be able to keep their baby instead of, yeah, throwing parties and doing 587 00:42:15.349 --> 00:42:17.980 everything that they do over there. But now they say that all the women, 588 00:42:19.059 --> 00:42:21.699 they tell us so well, all the women that come there, their 589 00:42:21.739 --> 00:42:25.900 mind just made up. was that true for you over there? Yeah, 590 00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:30.250 it was not made up. I was still in, you know, this 591 00:42:30.570 --> 00:42:36.929 whole guess cloud. Yeah, it is what you can say. It was 592 00:42:37.010 --> 00:42:39.889 because I didn't really I didn't want to be there. I didn't want to 593 00:42:39.889 --> 00:42:45.199 be there at all, and I'm sure every woman who goes there probably feels 594 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.880 the same way just about. I mean, you know, you may have 595 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.760 some that just yeah, I'm going to ask you a question that I think 596 00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:58.239 it's going to be real important and maybe a heavy question, maybe not, 597 00:42:59.710 --> 00:43:01.789 and it, you know, helps, hopefully it will help other people who 598 00:43:01.789 --> 00:43:07.630 are thinking about get involved at an abortion clinic sort of spur them to action. 599 00:43:08.269 --> 00:43:12.940 Do you think that if there were no prolife people on the sidewalk in 600 00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:15.099 front of that, the treble abortion center, when you arrived, that you 601 00:43:15.179 --> 00:43:22.059 would have quite possibly gone through with that abortion? I may have, just 602 00:43:22.300 --> 00:43:24.579 because I just I didn't know what else to do. I don't know I 603 00:43:24.699 --> 00:43:28.690 had options. Yeah, you know, I didn't know I was going to 604 00:43:28.809 --> 00:43:31.170 have, you know, the things that you guys offered me. I didn't 605 00:43:31.210 --> 00:43:37.090 know that I was able to do certain things to be able to get where 606 00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:39.570 I needed to go to be able to take care of my kids. Yeah, 607 00:43:39.809 --> 00:43:44.639 so if you guys hadn't been there, I probably would have. Yeah, 608 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.760 and that's the sad reality. You know, all over the country, 609 00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.239 I mean there's, you know, don't how many. I think there's seven 610 00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:55.309 hundred and something abortion clinics across the country and some of those there's nobody there 611 00:43:55.590 --> 00:44:00.309 to reach out. And you know, they're even abortion clinics in the city 612 00:44:00.349 --> 00:44:04.190 of Charlotte. There's four of them now in the city. Charlotte's latrobe is 613 00:44:04.230 --> 00:44:07.309 still the most visited abortion clinic. That does more abortions than the probably all 614 00:44:07.349 --> 00:44:14.099 of them combined, but there are times that there aren't any people there those 615 00:44:14.139 --> 00:44:17.179 other abortion clinics. Thankfully we have somebody here every day, but that's sort 616 00:44:17.219 --> 00:44:22.099 of one of our goals for next year is to have folks out here at 617 00:44:22.139 --> 00:44:24.449 the abortion clinics, every abortion clinic every day that they're open that they're doing 618 00:44:24.489 --> 00:44:29.690 abortions. I think it should be a goal for every church and personally to 619 00:44:29.809 --> 00:44:32.050 have a pro life ministry that reaches out of their abortion clinic and can be 620 00:44:32.170 --> 00:44:36.570 a voice for those babies in a voice to the women that show up, 621 00:44:36.769 --> 00:44:39.559 because, you know, this is not just about saving babies, this is 622 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.639 about proclaiming the Gospel and it's about rescuing women who are going in and rescuing 623 00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:52.070 families who are destroyed by abortion. Portions. Such a such a ravenous thing, 624 00:44:52.349 --> 00:44:57.590 just destroys lives, it destroys families, of destroys hearts and you know, 625 00:44:57.630 --> 00:44:59.710 it's our job, of those who are called to love our neighbor as 626 00:44:59.750 --> 00:45:04.030 ourselves, to do what we can to help stop abortion and help persuade people 627 00:45:04.030 --> 00:45:07.219 to choose life. Yeah, yeah, there is a woman. Just today, 628 00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:10.699 as I pulled up and I was leaving our office and walk into the 629 00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:15.019 abortion center, there's a woman, another one of our councilors has had stopped 630 00:45:15.059 --> 00:45:17.780 and spoken to, who chose life, I. Who told her she was 631 00:45:17.980 --> 00:45:23.610 praying that God would just put someone in her path because she, like you, 632 00:45:23.809 --> 00:45:27.329 she did not want to do it, not deep in her heart, 633 00:45:27.369 --> 00:45:32.610 but she was desperate. They're desperate and and so praise God that there were 634 00:45:32.690 --> 00:45:37.360 people standing there that could tell them you don't have to do this, there 635 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:42.960 are options. Yeah, well, you know, as we wrap up here, 636 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.119 I want to give you an opportunity if if you want to take the 637 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:50.429 opportunity. If you had and she asked earlier, but I'm going to ask 638 00:45:50.469 --> 00:45:52.590 again because I think it's cool to ask you again if you had the opportunity, 639 00:45:52.590 --> 00:45:57.590 and you did, to speak with an abortion minded friend or, you 640 00:45:57.750 --> 00:46:01.429 know, family member or whatever, what are some of the things that you 641 00:46:01.469 --> 00:46:05.860 would say to them to help persuade them not to get there with an abortion. 642 00:46:07.579 --> 00:46:09.539 You know, I'd bring up my story. Yeah, you know St 643 00:46:09.739 --> 00:46:15.579 Yeah, everything I went through. You know, I know everybody's different, 644 00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:24.369 but just the fact that by me choosing life, my life has turned around 645 00:46:24.849 --> 00:46:30.170 so much. I now have a man who takes care of my kids like 646 00:46:30.730 --> 00:46:34.159 as if they were his own. You know, we just bought our first 647 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:42.679 house. You know, everything has completely changed and I feel like by me 648 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:49.909 doing all that that it pushed me in that direction and I feel like it 649 00:46:49.989 --> 00:46:53.469 would do that for other people as well. Yeah, if you just try 650 00:46:53.590 --> 00:46:57.909 to fight through it all, I know it's hard, because it's very hard. 651 00:46:57.909 --> 00:47:01.579 Yeah, very hard having to deal with all that, but if you 652 00:47:02.019 --> 00:47:06.699 can just try to fight through it just for a little bit, you know 653 00:47:06.820 --> 00:47:09.739 it's going to end up better in the Lauren. You know, God never 654 00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:16.210 gives you more than you can handle. Yeah, so it always will end 655 00:47:16.289 --> 00:47:21.449 up in the direction that it's meant to be and you're going to end up 656 00:47:22.130 --> 00:47:27.690 in a better situation. Yeah, you quoted a scripture at the end of 657 00:47:27.809 --> 00:47:32.280 your speech. Was that lean not on your own understanding in all your ways, 658 00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:37.880 to acknowledge him and he will direct your past. It's my favorites. 659 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.239 Yeah, yeah, that's one of my favorites and he did that for you. 660 00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:44.000 Didn't hate it, you. Yeah, that's why I chose that verse. 661 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.750 Yeah, it's a Lord. Well, Jamie, thank you for coming 662 00:47:46.789 --> 00:47:51.110 and chaering your good ways away from here. It's like two hours for you 663 00:47:51.190 --> 00:47:53.590 to get here something. Yeah, and so we really appreciate it. I 664 00:47:53.750 --> 00:47:58.150 know the folks that are going to listen to this podcast are going to appreciate 665 00:47:58.150 --> 00:48:00.539 it. I appreciated this personal just hearing your stories, hear what God has 666 00:48:00.579 --> 00:48:04.019 done. It's such an encouragement to me, such a blessing to me. 667 00:48:05.179 --> 00:48:08.420 I do want to encourage those who are listening to the podcast to go on 668 00:48:08.500 --> 00:48:13.489 our website and connect with us. CHARLOTTE DOT cities. Life Dot Org is 669 00:48:13.570 --> 00:48:15.849 our website, and also we do have, as I'd mentioned, people getting 670 00:48:15.849 --> 00:48:19.809 involved in sidewalk counseling, being a presence of the abortion clinics. We have 671 00:48:19.849 --> 00:48:23.690 a website that's designed to help you to do that. WWW dot sidewalks, 672 00:48:23.730 --> 00:48:29.800 the number for for lifecom, and that'll train and equip you and help equip 673 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:35.119 you to get involved in sidewalk counseling. If you if you want to connect 674 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:38.039 with me personally, you can get in connect with me through my email address 675 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:43.989 the parks at cities for lifecom and Vicki vcassey Org at cities for lifecom. 676 00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:46.070 We'd love to hear from you. Would love to get some feedback from you 677 00:48:46.269 --> 00:48:51.349 on this podcast or other podcast. We'd love to hear from you some suggestions 678 00:48:51.389 --> 00:48:54.510 of other podcasts. Hopefully we'll have some other moms like Jamie who have chosen 679 00:48:54.550 --> 00:48:59.940 life on the on a podcast, on an episode and share from their perspective. 680 00:49:00.699 --> 00:49:02.619 But we were blessed to have heavy here, Jamie, and we're blessed 681 00:49:02.659 --> 00:49:07.139 for those who listen and pray that you're blessed as you as you continue to 682 00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:35.480 seek the service the Lord use mill give me costly my life, but these 683 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:36.639 two precious