Gleaning Wisdom From Pro-Life Pioneers Tim and Terri Palmquist

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.789 Lord, I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 3 00:00:11.070 --> 00:00:14.189 This episode we're going to do an interview with Tim and Terry Palm Quiz, 4 00:00:14.390 --> 00:00:17.429 Pro Life Pioneers. We've been in this battle for a long time and 5 00:00:17.510 --> 00:00:20.350 we're going to talk to them about how they got involved. Stick with us. 6 00:00:23.699 --> 00:00:32.460 I felt show passis touch your heart. All right. Well, welcome 7 00:00:32.460 --> 00:00:36.450 to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate all those who join. I 8 00:00:36.530 --> 00:00:41.450 had have with me today here Tim and Terry Palm Quist. All right, 9 00:00:42.409 --> 00:00:46.250 and these guys I just met them actually just on a hour and a half 10 00:00:46.250 --> 00:00:50.640 or so ago. You'd reached out to me email. The email a couple 11 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:53.320 of days ago you guys are going to be in town and I thought, 12 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:57.719 Hey, man, I got these pro life pioneers in town here in Charlotte 13 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:02.159 and really wanted to take the opportunity to get you guys to share your story, 14 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.790 share where the Lord is kind of brought you guys from and where he's 15 00:01:04.790 --> 00:01:07.829 bringing you to share. Just you know, we get into some of the 16 00:01:07.870 --> 00:01:12.549 pro life history stuff. This this podcast just focused on bringing the Gospel and 17 00:01:12.909 --> 00:01:17.390 talking about the necessity of the Gospel and we're talking about the issue of abortion 18 00:01:17.510 --> 00:01:21.060 and I know that you guys heart, and just a little bit that I've 19 00:01:21.180 --> 00:01:23.019 heard from you, Tim especially, it's just your heart, you know, 20 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:26.500 of course, is to save babies, but also to proclaim the gospel. 21 00:01:27.780 --> 00:01:33.329 Share real quick just a little bit about you guys. Maybe how long you've 22 00:01:33.329 --> 00:01:37.049 been in pro life ministry and what kind of ministry you've been involved in and 23 00:01:37.090 --> 00:01:38.489 that sort of thing, if you don't mind. Right. Well, we 24 00:01:38.569 --> 00:01:46.810 started in pro life ministry aboutout nineteen eighty six are our first child was born. 25 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:52.959 We married eighty five and got cot pregnant on our honeymoon and as our 26 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:57.400 first child was born. That's really pro life right there. Didn't, didn't 27 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.000 intend it that way, but God, God did. Yeah, yeah, 28 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:04.750 we were the typical well, we'll have two or three kids. Yeah, 29 00:02:05.030 --> 00:02:07.909 thing a couple of years. Yes, sure, and so we had our 30 00:02:07.990 --> 00:02:15.219 first child and he was in hospital for ten days afterwards and and just got 31 00:02:15.300 --> 00:02:21.699 to see a lot of lot of struggling children there. And Yeah, sure, 32 00:02:21.819 --> 00:02:27.979 son. And there was another, another baby that we got to know 33 00:02:28.419 --> 00:02:32.889 that was born at Twenty, twenty two weeks, I think. Was Little 34 00:02:32.930 --> 00:02:39.370 Baby Caleb worn of twenty two weeks. That also touched us before, just 35 00:02:39.569 --> 00:02:44.960 before our before we are married, I had a radio program and she was 36 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:50.080 handing my calls and and this lady called us saying that her son was born 37 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.960 and and you know, his life was just hanging in the balance. And 38 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.639 so I end up going to this child in his hospital, seeing this little 39 00:02:55.680 --> 00:03:00.629 baby that's the size of my hand. Yeah, yeah, really frustrated her 40 00:03:00.909 --> 00:03:06.389 because she was going, how in the world can people abort a baby the 41 00:03:06.550 --> 00:03:10.270 size of my son? Yeah, it just really touched her and we became 42 00:03:10.389 --> 00:03:14.219 really good friends. Yeah, but you know, I grew up in a 43 00:03:14.300 --> 00:03:17.460 family my dad was in Christian radio and you know, very, very Christian, 44 00:03:19.699 --> 00:03:23.020 conservative Christian family. Yeah, but you know, my memories in one 45 00:03:23.020 --> 00:03:27.610 thousand nine hundred and seventy three I was I was twelve years old. And 46 00:03:27.810 --> 00:03:36.009 yet my memories of the Church, Christians reacting to the the Ro versus weight 47 00:03:36.129 --> 00:03:42.599 decision are non existent. I have tons of memories of my dad and other 48 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:46.639 people, you know, other other people I knew, being outraged over various 49 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:52.479 aspects of what was going on with Nixon. Yeah, I remember those things 50 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:57.669 happening. I remember the day Nixon left on that helicopter. I remember that 51 00:03:57.710 --> 00:04:00.710 quiet well, but I remember nothing of anybody speaking out about abortion. Yeah, 52 00:04:00.909 --> 00:04:09.270 and so you know it was. It was years later that kind of 53 00:04:12.419 --> 00:04:18.019 long haired young man who was part of the Calvary Chappel movement had a radio 54 00:04:18.100 --> 00:04:25.449 program on my dad's station and he started playing this from a guy, Gary 55 00:04:25.569 --> 00:04:29.529 S Paxton. Okay, old song, first first song I ever heard that 56 00:04:30.370 --> 00:04:33.129 dealt with this. It's kind of a interesting to call the song, but 57 00:04:33.170 --> 00:04:38.410 it's called the big a equals the big M. Okay, here the little 58 00:04:38.569 --> 00:04:42.399 heartbeat, it would go. And so I heard this song that ends with 59 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.720 a flat line of you know, you have a baby's heartbeat throughout the song. 60 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.680 At the end it is flat line. Yeah, it is my creation. 61 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:55.990 You killed it. Yeah, wow. So you know, I went. 62 00:04:56.069 --> 00:04:59.389 We weren't hearing about it in Church and we weren't hearing about it much 63 00:04:59.470 --> 00:05:01.990 at home, but you know, for this this thing we heard on the 64 00:05:02.029 --> 00:05:08.620 radio and the people calling into my radio show and we had a young woman 65 00:05:08.660 --> 00:05:13.939 who called us from a community told us she was pregnant and we tried to 66 00:05:14.019 --> 00:05:15.420 figure out how to help or didn't know what to do, because she was 67 00:05:15.459 --> 00:05:20.420 saying she was going to Aboord her baby. She just wanted prayer and turned 68 00:05:20.449 --> 00:05:24.370 out, long and the short of it that she was lying about the whole 69 00:05:24.490 --> 00:05:28.769 thing and she was just doing it to get attention. But God used that 70 00:05:28.889 --> 00:05:32.649 to get us thinking towards what are we going to do about this situation? 71 00:05:32.689 --> 00:05:35.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, a lot of Christians sort of. 72 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:40.959 You know, I was. I was a believer for a couple of 73 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:45.759 years until I really and before I really got really the Lord got a hold 74 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:48.040 of me over the issue of abortion. Like you know, we believe abortions 75 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.870 bag because we know it's killing a Cho out. It's bad, but it 76 00:05:50.990 --> 00:05:55.230 is a really anything we can do about it. It's really thing that I'm 77 00:05:55.269 --> 00:05:57.709 called to do about. I mean we're called just to preach the Gospel, 78 00:05:57.870 --> 00:06:00.750 right. We're not called to go out and deal with political issues, and 79 00:06:00.829 --> 00:06:03.189 it's because we're duped by the devil, I believe, as a church, 80 00:06:03.269 --> 00:06:06.660 into believing in church has been for a long time and believing that abortion is 81 00:06:06.660 --> 00:06:11.300 a political issue. It's really not. It's really not political issue at all. 82 00:06:11.939 --> 00:06:15.100 So talk a little bit about how the Lord got you involved in in 83 00:06:15.300 --> 00:06:17.180 pro life work. I know you guys were involved in the rescue movement and 84 00:06:17.889 --> 00:06:20.850 stuff like that. So talk a little bit about your heart, as far 85 00:06:20.889 --> 00:06:27.050 as God's heart in your heart and getting you involved in that extreme level of 86 00:06:27.209 --> 00:06:30.689 pro life involvement that some people think it is. Well, we knew before 87 00:06:30.689 --> 00:06:33.720 we were married. One of the things that kind of brought us together. 88 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:38.240 We knew each other about seven years before we were married. But and I 89 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.720 we had been together in high school and then when I went off to college, 90 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:47.589 I decided to leave her behind and go try out some other relationships with 91 00:06:47.670 --> 00:06:51.149 girls and till in high school time year. She's two years younger than me. 92 00:06:51.310 --> 00:06:54.670 So I know you can't. Can't go to college and have a high 93 00:06:54.670 --> 00:07:00.269 school girl. Yeah, from my school. So anyway, eventually I come 94 00:07:00.350 --> 00:07:01.579 back to her, as she knew I would always come back to her. 95 00:07:02.259 --> 00:07:09.019 So, but how? I forgot what I was going to say. Just 96 00:07:09.100 --> 00:07:12.819 getting involved in the rescue movement, and that's sort of thing right. This 97 00:07:13.060 --> 00:07:17.170 was this was early, early s I'm talking about. But when we wanted 98 00:07:17.209 --> 00:07:23.490 to talk about getting married, he had basically at some point decided he didn't 99 00:07:23.529 --> 00:07:25.970 even think he needed to get married. He didn't want it. He just 100 00:07:26.050 --> 00:07:28.610 wanted to serve God. That's what. That's the point I was going to 101 00:07:28.649 --> 00:07:30.839 say, and the thing that she kind of hooked me back in with was, 102 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.160 you know, we can serve got better together than we can separately. 103 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:39.439 He was and so we got married planning to serve God and we had already 104 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.600 had, you know, a few little influences toward doing something about abortion. 105 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.829 But I was still just thinking of Inner City Ministry. I wanted to move 106 00:07:46.870 --> 00:07:49.670 to Jackson, MISSISSIPPI BE A part of ministry, two people in the inner 107 00:07:49.790 --> 00:07:54.709 city, because there's a ministry there we were familiar with. And you know, 108 00:07:54.910 --> 00:07:58.939 so when you get pregnant on your honeymoon, it kind of changes your 109 00:07:58.980 --> 00:08:01.939 perspective on Yes, and so she's taking your ministry focused. Are We? 110 00:08:03.180 --> 00:08:07.500 Are we going to move to Jackson Mississippi, with the being pregnant and all 111 00:08:07.540 --> 00:08:11.139 that, and my and her mom was her mom's health wasn't good thing. 112 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:15.050 So she's singing. Is there something we can do around here? Where we 113 00:08:15.129 --> 00:08:18.889 do around here is going to make a difference? And so we heard about 114 00:08:18.250 --> 00:08:22.050 a pregnancy center about thirty minutes from us. We were in a little town 115 00:08:22.089 --> 00:08:26.199 called Dalano, California, and so we had to go down to Bakersfield be 116 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:31.200 a part of this pregnancy center and we not train. We got trained, 117 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.840 but we couldn't finish the training because she had a breast infection and baby had 118 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.480 to be in a hospital or different things like that, and we never could 119 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.389 finish it. Never could finish the training. And so she finally says, 120 00:08:41.389 --> 00:08:43.590 kind of out of frustration, you know, what I really would like to 121 00:08:43.710 --> 00:08:46.950 do is talk to girl, girls who are actually going in for abortion. 122 00:08:46.990 --> 00:08:50.590 Does anybody do that? Uh Huh, and they said Yeah, they actually 123 00:08:50.710 --> 00:08:54.669 is a group that does that. It turned out the group that went out 124 00:08:54.710 --> 00:08:58.019 on the sidewalk had started a couple of years before that and the pregnancy center 125 00:09:00.299 --> 00:09:03.379 had been founded by some of the same people there, and so they were 126 00:09:03.419 --> 00:09:05.500 familiar with what they did there. So we went out on the sidewalk and 127 00:09:05.580 --> 00:09:09.769 got to know these people that were ministering your girls going in. And you 128 00:09:09.889 --> 00:09:16.129 know, honestly, for about the first six months we are standing there. 129 00:09:16.169 --> 00:09:18.009 We want to we want to be there, we want to be used when, 130 00:09:18.049 --> 00:09:22.889 want to be effective, but I personally am standing there thinking, how 131 00:09:22.970 --> 00:09:24.120 do you, how do you talk to these people? Yet how do you 132 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.679 find the words to say, yeah, so girls about to go in and 133 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.480 have maybe killed you know. Yeah, and so we're kind of standing in 134 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.519 awe of these people who are talking to the girls going in and praying and 135 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.029 just thinking, wow, these are like spiritual giants, letting US stand next 136 00:09:39.070 --> 00:09:46.110 to him. And eventually a woman comes in. The first one that, 137 00:09:46.350 --> 00:09:48.669 I think, correct me if I'm wrong here, I think this is the 138 00:09:48.710 --> 00:09:52.070 first one that you was pretty much there by myself, you really had an 139 00:09:52.429 --> 00:09:54.419 impact on. Is this woman who comes in, she has a little baby 140 00:09:54.700 --> 00:09:58.299 and she doesn't speak English. Okay, little baby, she has to do 141 00:09:58.460 --> 00:10:01.980 something with this maybe very sick baby, to oxy, she has to do 142 00:10:03.139 --> 00:10:05.220 something on it, with a tube and cleaning out the baby's throat or something, 143 00:10:05.299 --> 00:10:09.529 and she doesn't speak a word of English. Yeah, Terry didn't speak 144 00:10:09.529 --> 00:10:11.570 a word of Spanish, and yet this girl, this woman, is going 145 00:10:11.649 --> 00:10:16.330 in and to the abortion center. Yeah, he brought her baby with her, 146 00:10:16.649 --> 00:10:18.889 brought her little sickly baby with her because she had to have her. 147 00:10:20.090 --> 00:10:26.080 And so then I somehow, with God's guidance, yeah, was able to 148 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.759 convince her to get in, because she had taken the bus, get into 149 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:35.120 my car and I drove her crosstown to the pregnancy center. Yeah, and 150 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.029 they found someone that spoke Spanish and she ended up keeping her baby. Yeah, 151 00:10:39.070 --> 00:10:43.149 right, well, so that that was and even then, even after 152 00:10:43.269 --> 00:10:46.629 that, you know, it's still well, okay, Currie Curry is there 153 00:10:46.710 --> 00:10:48.470 and I'm just kind of there the supporter because, you know, as a 154 00:10:48.590 --> 00:10:52.500 man, I felt like what what do I yeah say? And that's one 155 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:56.059 of the things that we find out. You were just out on the sidewalk 156 00:10:56.379 --> 00:10:58.299 earlier with us and you notice we had there were two men out there, 157 00:10:58.860 --> 00:11:01.899 actually three, four. I guess I would include myself as a man. 158 00:11:01.940 --> 00:11:05.450 So they're like four of US guys out there, and I get some of 159 00:11:05.529 --> 00:11:09.250 that from men who come out and they have a burden for this thing. 160 00:11:09.649 --> 00:11:11.889 They want to do something about abortion, like this was a woman's issue. 161 00:11:13.169 --> 00:11:16.809 The fact is this is really a man's issue and if we could reach that 162 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:20.120 young man that's brought his girlfriend for an abortion, we can also influence her 163 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:26.120 him to influence her. It's pretty powerful and some of our most effective sidewalk 164 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.360 counselors actually man. But so yeah, I mean, you know, the 165 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:33.230 devil allies to us. We, you know, kind of allow ourselves to 166 00:11:33.269 --> 00:11:37.470 be confused by some of the world's understanding of stuff. This is really a 167 00:11:37.549 --> 00:11:41.629 man's issue too. So it's good to see, from my respect, of 168 00:11:41.950 --> 00:11:45.590 a couple serving the Lord together and that capacity and seeing the necessity for, 169 00:11:45.710 --> 00:11:46.940 you know, husband of wife to be serving in the way. You can 170 00:11:46.980 --> 00:11:50.179 sort of tag team this thing right. Pretty cool. You guys have been 171 00:11:50.179 --> 00:11:54.940 doing that for a long time, right about fifteen to twenty years after we 172 00:11:54.179 --> 00:12:03.570 started. You know, Terry was Terry was leading a group in a vacation 173 00:12:03.649 --> 00:12:07.330 Bible school at our church, Baptist Church that we went to there in Bakersfield, 174 00:12:07.490 --> 00:12:13.250 and this this little boy was part of her group and he prayed to 175 00:12:13.330 --> 00:12:20.519 accept Christ there in her group and later we learned that his father, the 176 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:28.039 little boys father, said that I was there when they went into abort the 177 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.350 baby, that I was there telling him that you need to be a real 178 00:12:31.470 --> 00:12:35.830 man, you need to stand up for your baby, and I you know, 179 00:12:35.950 --> 00:12:37.950 at that time I don't that. I don't know if that was the 180 00:12:37.110 --> 00:12:41.509 first one I heard of that I had made a difference in, but honestly, 181 00:12:41.629 --> 00:12:45.340 you know, for many, many years there I was there ministering with 182 00:12:45.419 --> 00:12:48.179 Terry and I was mainly supporting her. I would talk from time to time, 183 00:12:48.299 --> 00:12:50.700 but I just felt like she's a lot more effective than yeah, I 184 00:12:50.899 --> 00:12:56.100 want them to hear the most effective voice and sometimes if I'm the only one 185 00:12:56.139 --> 00:12:58.809 there, then I got to be the one that talks. But I didn't. 186 00:13:00.049 --> 00:13:03.210 I didn't want to always be the one talking because I felt like she's 187 00:13:03.289 --> 00:13:05.450 just so much more effected than I was. But this, this guy told 188 00:13:05.490 --> 00:13:09.049 me that I was there yes, an amazing how the word lets us that 189 00:13:09.169 --> 00:13:13.240 exact me where to the chances, you know, and just random chance of 190 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.240 events? No Way. That was God in his Providence, sort of letting 191 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.399 you hear. Right then, if you know you were effective in that and 192 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.559 that this child whose life was physically saved, the God used me to physically 193 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.830 save his life and then Churie was there to pray with this child to accept 194 00:13:28.870 --> 00:13:31.230 Christ, that's amazing. But that is amazing. There's no such thing as 195 00:13:31.269 --> 00:13:35.870 accidents, there's no such thing as just fate or whatever. This is the 196 00:13:35.990 --> 00:13:39.870 providence of God moving. That's that's powerful. So if you could talk a 197 00:13:39.909 --> 00:13:43.299 little bit about because I'm interesting and I told you I'm interested in sort of 198 00:13:43.340 --> 00:13:46.100 the pro life movement history and you know, if I've had flip on and 199 00:13:46.179 --> 00:13:50.259 I want to have him on again, hopefully pretty soon, talking about the 200 00:13:50.299 --> 00:13:56.169 rescue movement, him being the president of that or the director of Operation Rescue 201 00:13:56.210 --> 00:13:58.409 for a while. But you guys are involved in that movement. was well, 202 00:13:58.450 --> 00:14:01.889 you involved when it first got started or you sort of jumped on board 203 00:14:01.929 --> 00:14:09.250 with that after that. We we roundell terry had come to Baker's field, 204 00:14:09.289 --> 00:14:11.399 right, and or our church. We were involved when it first started in 205 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:16.840 California, but I believe it was in Atlanta and then New Jersey, probably 206 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:22.200 a year or so before it came. Yeah, for you. Yeah, 207 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.789 some folks might not even have a clue when I'm talking about rescue movement or 208 00:14:26.909 --> 00:14:30.269 you know whatever. Describe a little bit of what that means, what it 209 00:14:30.429 --> 00:14:33.590 means when people say Operation Rescue, Rescue Movement and that sort of thing. 210 00:14:33.750 --> 00:14:39.940 When we heard about them doing the holy week rescues, okay, remember back 211 00:14:41.419 --> 00:14:43.460 what year would be. Thousand nine hundred and eighty nine, I think. 212 00:14:43.659 --> 00:14:46.580 Okay, we because even a sidewalk counseling, believe it or not. I 213 00:14:46.820 --> 00:14:52.299 was kind of shy to do it. Yeah, and when we went down 214 00:14:52.340 --> 00:14:58.370 to La in Bakersfield, it's more conservative. We don't have the pro boorts 215 00:14:58.450 --> 00:15:01.129 in our face or anything like yeah, but when we were when we were 216 00:15:01.250 --> 00:15:05.370 down there, I was just going to sidewalk counsel. I wasn't going to 217 00:15:05.409 --> 00:15:09.240 risk arrest. And what they do is they would actually place themselves in front 218 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:16.480 of the doors and not allow anyone to go in because they didn't want babies 219 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.240 to be killed. And we were taught that we need to be peaceful, 220 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:24.590 yeah, respectful and pray, and it was, it was. It was 221 00:15:24.629 --> 00:15:28.110 an awesome time, but I was just counseling. Yeah, and so I 222 00:15:28.350 --> 00:15:33.070 was able to try to talk to girls, but the pro bourts had those 223 00:15:33.230 --> 00:15:37.379 big keep abortion legal sign okay, and they would surround the girl and there's 224 00:15:37.419 --> 00:15:41.860 no way you could. So I had to raise my voice. Yeah, 225 00:15:41.940 --> 00:15:45.899 and I came out of my comfort zone. UH, yell, please, 226 00:15:46.379 --> 00:15:50.129 let us talk to you. And they had surrounded this girl in a car 227 00:15:50.929 --> 00:15:54.289 and didn't want her to look at us or anything. But pretty soon she 228 00:15:54.450 --> 00:15:58.409 ends up, the driver backs up and she ended up leaving. Yeah, 229 00:15:58.450 --> 00:16:02.889 so that encourage me and made me more vocal when I came back to Bakersfield. 230 00:16:03.129 --> 00:16:08.480 Yeah, so the rescue movement basically in conjunction with what sidewalk counselors are 231 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:12.519 already doing. The rescue movement what it's heart was to put it self, 232 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:18.870 put themselves between the woman who's going into the abortion clinic and the abortionist and 233 00:16:18.950 --> 00:16:23.149 basically they would, through civil disobedience, block the door. But there's some 234 00:16:23.350 --> 00:16:26.190 you know, I know listen, of course, if you listen to the 235 00:16:26.389 --> 00:16:30.870 media about this, you read some of the stories from back in those days, 236 00:16:30.909 --> 00:16:33.299 it was a lot of hyped up and like these are a bunch of 237 00:16:33.299 --> 00:16:37.500 violent people that were just doing they it wasn't a civil disobedience in their eyes, 238 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:40.500 it was just violence and just angry and it's like, man, and 239 00:16:40.539 --> 00:16:44.019 I look back at some of the old videos from the rescues and I listened 240 00:16:44.059 --> 00:16:47.450 to people like you, you, like yourself, talk about the rescue movement, 241 00:16:47.490 --> 00:16:52.330 it's like these are just God loving people, loving individuals. Like it 242 00:16:52.409 --> 00:16:55.210 or lump it, they were doing the best they can with what they knew 243 00:16:55.370 --> 00:17:00.049 to try to interpose, to try to stand between that that mother and that 244 00:17:00.129 --> 00:17:03.960 abortionist and then ultimately, working in conjunction with the sidewalk counsel, try to 245 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.960 convince her to choose life. And there were I don't know how many, 246 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.400 maybe you guys do. I would say thousands, yes, babies that were 247 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:17.470 saved through that. So if you could share. You've already shared one powerful 248 00:17:17.509 --> 00:17:21.349 testimony. Share a testimony, whether it's from, you know, the rescue 249 00:17:22.109 --> 00:17:25.589 sort of thing going on with operation rescuer, whether it's too sidewalk counseling. 250 00:17:26.069 --> 00:17:30.259 Maybe share a story that you guys have experienced. Another one. Well, 251 00:17:30.740 --> 00:17:37.579 Terry, where is? Terry was out a woman had lost her baby at 252 00:17:37.619 --> 00:17:42.859 about Betty, she lost her baby about fourteen weeks. Is that what it 253 00:17:44.019 --> 00:17:51.130 was? And so she the doctor had allowed her to bring her baby home 254 00:17:51.250 --> 00:17:56.329 for some reason in a jar, and she felt like I want my baby, 255 00:17:56.490 --> 00:18:00.920 Baby Anthony, to be useful in some way. I feel like God 256 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.000 has something he wants to do with my baby, and so she ended up 257 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.680 allowing Terry to bring her baby in the jar out in the sidewalk, and 258 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:11.079 Terry was very careful with it because she got I know people are going to 259 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:14.069 go what. Yeah, I know it look creepy, a little weird, 260 00:18:14.190 --> 00:18:18.349 but lord use us. And it was in a cardboard box and I only 261 00:18:19.710 --> 00:18:23.829 used it if I would ask a girl, you know, Oh, you're 262 00:18:23.910 --> 00:18:27.259 twelve weeks. Well, you know, I have a little baby that's fourteen 263 00:18:27.460 --> 00:18:32.380 weeks. Would you want to see the baby? Yeah, and if she 264 00:18:32.579 --> 00:18:37.220 did I would show it, show him, Anthony, yeah, to here 265 00:18:37.299 --> 00:18:41.609 and they were amazed and we showed five, five people the baby, and 266 00:18:41.849 --> 00:18:48.369 out of the five, four change their minds. Yeah, they're baby, 267 00:18:48.809 --> 00:18:52.730 and three ended up asking Jesus into their heart. Okay. Yeah, so 268 00:18:52.890 --> 00:18:59.480 it was used very effectively. But it wasn't long before the abortion business caught 269 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:03.359 wind of it and they actually called the corner. Okay, there, and 270 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:06.920 it became a big media thing that, you know, the news. The 271 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.910 News said that night that Terry was parading up and down the sidewalk showing this 272 00:19:11.109 --> 00:19:14.990 fetus in the jar to, yeah, everybody, as if she was just 273 00:19:15.190 --> 00:19:18.710 waving it around. Yeah, and so, you know, they made a 274 00:19:18.829 --> 00:19:25.779 big, big, you know girls, very fake news. Yeah, if 275 00:19:25.859 --> 00:19:29.140 it was viable even, okay, yeah, crazy, yeah, okay, 276 00:19:29.339 --> 00:19:30.539 wow, right. So, yeah, that's a little, right, little, 277 00:19:30.539 --> 00:19:34.380 little hypocritical of them. Right, by God. Used that effectively and 278 00:19:34.420 --> 00:19:41.650 it wasn't long after that that you met Jackie out in the sidewalk, who 279 00:19:41.450 --> 00:19:48.450 young woman who was there with her young granddaughter and she herself thought that she 280 00:19:48.490 --> 00:19:51.809 might be pregnant and she was watching her granddaughter, who was a bathe and 281 00:19:51.930 --> 00:19:55.640 allowed children in the of course, clinning. So here I am. I 282 00:19:55.799 --> 00:20:00.759 had never met her before and she I don't know if I volunteered or what, 283 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:03.519 but I said, well, I can, because back then they would 284 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.589 just do the pregnancy tests and they would call them back in a couple of 285 00:20:07.670 --> 00:20:11.150 hours to let him know what the results were. Huh. And so I 286 00:20:11.349 --> 00:20:15.230 watched her baby, grand baby out there while she went she went in and 287 00:20:15.390 --> 00:20:19.269 then we exchanged phone numbers. But she had told me if I'm pregnant, 288 00:20:19.829 --> 00:20:23.299 I'm going to have to have an abortion. I just got in shape. 289 00:20:23.420 --> 00:20:27.900 She was going to be correctional officer. Her youngest was like five, I 290 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:33.259 guess, and her whole new life was going to start, yeah, over, 291 00:20:33.500 --> 00:20:36.490 you know, and the father of her baby was married to somebody else 292 00:20:36.529 --> 00:20:40.450 and was a deacon in a in the church, and so, you know, 293 00:20:40.529 --> 00:20:44.890 it just like we can't do this. Yeah, anyway, that became 294 00:20:44.930 --> 00:20:49.519 a lifelong still relationship. We yeah, we just just yesterday, day before 295 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:52.599 you were still talking to her about something. But we told her that we 296 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:57.119 would, I said, will adopt her baby, Uh Huh, you know, 297 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:00.839 and she was a black lady. Yeah, and we're great friends. 298 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.349 And she said you really would, and I said Yeah, sure, you 299 00:21:04.430 --> 00:21:08.190 know, and so we kept an off and on she'd still think she might 300 00:21:08.309 --> 00:21:11.789 need to abort. I got to be at the birth of the baby. 301 00:21:12.029 --> 00:21:15.150 Yeah, and then once she saw him she said sorry, Terry, I'm 302 00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:18.619 keeping them and yeah, that's fine. We never even got to have him 303 00:21:18.660 --> 00:21:22.259 for a single night. Yeah, yeah, so you went through this sort 304 00:21:22.299 --> 00:21:25.259 of up and down a lot of you know, I love her a lot 305 00:21:25.299 --> 00:21:26.819 of side well, cancels. Know exactly what you're talking about. Like you 306 00:21:27.180 --> 00:21:30.819 connect with the MOMS. She chooses live and the next day she says, 307 00:21:30.099 --> 00:21:33.849 I just don't think I can do this, and you know. So you're 308 00:21:33.890 --> 00:21:37.690 in that prayer sort of tension and like God, move on her heart. 309 00:21:37.730 --> 00:21:40.730 You don't let her get back. Yeah, we've experienced that several times. 310 00:21:40.809 --> 00:21:44.690 It school how the Lord can bring those stories about. And even you have 311 00:21:44.769 --> 00:21:48.000 a relationship now this, this lady's your friend. That's twenty eight years ago. 312 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:51.799 That having twenty eight years ago. So wow, that's that's and he's 313 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:55.680 he's even saying at some of our dinners and stuff. Oh, okay, 314 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:57.920 when he was younger. Yeah, yeah, that's that's so all. Thank 315 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:00.470 you for thank you for giving to the Lord. He's saying that song. 316 00:22:00.710 --> 00:22:03.990 What was I supposed to be. So it was. Yeah, yeah, 317 00:22:04.029 --> 00:22:10.069 that's powerful. God definitely blessed us by having that relationship over the yeah, 318 00:22:10.549 --> 00:22:14.230 now you'd cheered earlier. I could be misquoting you on this, but you 319 00:22:14.309 --> 00:22:18.220 know, you gas were involved, at least in some way involved, in 320 00:22:18.740 --> 00:22:22.660 the life chain movement and sort of the beginning stages of that. Talk took 321 00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:26.299 a little bit about that. Well, this was during the rescue days when, 322 00:22:26.660 --> 00:22:30.650 you know, there was a big flash of attention and a lot of 323 00:22:30.690 --> 00:22:33.609 a lot of things happening for the Holy Week in California, and then after 324 00:22:33.690 --> 00:22:36.930 that a lot of people got arrested and it's like well, wow, there 325 00:22:37.009 --> 00:22:38.930 was there was a big price to pay there, because they really cracked down 326 00:22:40.009 --> 00:22:42.130 on them there in La with numchucks and all this stuff. Yeah, and 327 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:48.000 so there were a lot of people saying, is there something else we can 328 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.359 do? You know, we're not sure how long we can keep doing these 329 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:56.480 rescues, and during that time we heard of this life chain idea that had 330 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:00.349 happened up in Uba city, Marysville. Man Named Royce Dunn had the idea 331 00:23:00.390 --> 00:23:03.789 of just holding this sign that says abortion kills children. Yeah, at the 332 00:23:03.869 --> 00:23:07.950 time it was just that one sign and no other message. You just felt 333 00:23:07.990 --> 00:23:11.509 like that's the message God gave him. Abortion kills children. Yeah, and 334 00:23:11.710 --> 00:23:15.700 so we ended up getting in touch with the guy who was the head of 335 00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:22.900 that in Bakersfield and he was he was actually, he had actually been at 336 00:23:22.940 --> 00:23:27.410 that same rescue that Terry talked about where the the pro aboards were surrounding the 337 00:23:27.450 --> 00:23:30.529 car with their keep abortion legal sign. They're trying to keep her from being 338 00:23:30.569 --> 00:23:34.849 able to talk to this girl. He was videotaping that. We Terry called 339 00:23:34.970 --> 00:23:41.640 him and thinking maybe we should have a rescue in Baker's right, because he 340 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:44.920 was ahead of Operation Rescue in Bakersfield, even though we hadn't had any rescues 341 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:48.000 in Bakersfield. And so we called him to see what we could do with 342 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:52.680 that and he said wait, who are you? And and he realized at 343 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:56.829 that very moment he had been editing a video. He had been he had 344 00:23:56.869 --> 00:24:02.829 a video of that rescue, of that very moment when she called, he 345 00:24:03.109 --> 00:24:07.109 was looking at a video of her, yeah, trying to save that baby's 346 00:24:07.150 --> 00:24:11.019 life. So we got a picture from him later of her her interceding for 347 00:24:11.140 --> 00:24:15.220 that baby, with this car also rounded with these people waiting lets for them 348 00:24:15.339 --> 00:24:18.700 yeah, and so we were. We were there with him throughout the time 349 00:24:18.740 --> 00:24:22.940 he was planning this Bakersfield life chain, which was the first one after the 350 00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:27.890 one Royce did in Uba City married Marysville, and as Bakersfield Life Chain, 351 00:24:27.970 --> 00:24:34.089 we he mapped out this huge area, miles of sidewalks and and had a 352 00:24:34.170 --> 00:24:41.319 church designated for each block and just a huge plan that he went to to 353 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:44.440 do all this. His name was bill newsome, the man I'm referring to, 354 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:51.559 and and ended up having eight thousand people on sidewalks on the streets of 355 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:56.029 Bakersfield during that time and he formed across it was a it was a huge 356 00:24:56.269 --> 00:25:03.470 miles long cross and and bill had the foresight to know this is something we 357 00:25:03.630 --> 00:25:07.099 need to have people know more about what we did here. So he even 358 00:25:07.900 --> 00:25:11.980 he hired videographers to take videos, okay, and he had a helicopter taken 359 00:25:12.019 --> 00:25:15.460 an aerial view of the whole thing, and so that video that he took 360 00:25:15.500 --> 00:25:21.650 in Bakersfield of that first Bakersfield life chain ended up being spread all across the 361 00:25:21.730 --> 00:25:26.769 country. The life chain is still to this day promoting that Bakersfield video. 362 00:25:26.809 --> 00:25:30.529 Yeah, as as the thing that got so many people across the country to 363 00:25:30.730 --> 00:25:36.720 realize we need to be getting out to the streets and standing for this message. 364 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:38.920 And it was primarily through the churches. It is primarily with bill, 365 00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:42.240 Bill knews. It was primarily something that he said. We got to get 366 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.119 to the pastor's individually. Yeah, and it wasn't just you know, we 367 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.440 need to go there until the pastor hey, you got to, you got 368 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.829 to follow our agenda or you're worthless. It was we want to we want 369 00:25:52.829 --> 00:25:55.549 to support you in this, pastor, we're here, we're we're here to 370 00:25:55.630 --> 00:25:59.789 pray for you, we are here understanding that you need help and what we're 371 00:25:59.789 --> 00:26:03.190 doing. And you know, you go there not saying hey, pastor, 372 00:26:03.390 --> 00:26:07.339 we want you to solve this huge problem yourself, but here's something tangible that 373 00:26:07.460 --> 00:26:11.019 you can do, here's something. We're laying out the program here for you 374 00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:15.539 to follow and all we need to know is that, as a pastor, 375 00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:19.890 this is going to have your spiritual leadership in your congregation. Yeah, yeah, 376 00:26:19.930 --> 00:26:23.250 yeah, it's cool how the Lord can just grow things like that. 377 00:26:23.369 --> 00:26:26.529 You know, we have locally. I shared with you, guys, and 378 00:26:26.609 --> 00:26:30.529 you've probably seen someone social media, Love Life, Charlotte's ministry, that's done 379 00:26:30.609 --> 00:26:34.119 something similar to that. Just bringing the people out to the abortion clinics pray 380 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:38.240 and they've been a great partner with us. Even you know, some of 381 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.960 the folks have come out to the prayer walks have taken it a step further 382 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:45.000 and probably you guys experience that same thing that you know came in a hell 383 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.390 to sign, but I want to do something else, and they come sidewalk 384 00:26:47.470 --> 00:26:51.309 counsel and get involved in that way. So it's really cool to see the 385 00:26:51.430 --> 00:26:55.029 Lord doing that. Talk a little bit about because, you know, starting 386 00:26:55.069 --> 00:26:56.869 out I said you know, and you agree, abortions not a political issue, 387 00:26:57.630 --> 00:27:00.660 but there are some political decisions that are made and there were some there 388 00:27:00.740 --> 00:27:06.259 are some things that we as believers can do in order to influence the politics. 389 00:27:06.259 --> 00:27:08.500 I mean that. But really how it should take places is the politics 390 00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:11.779 follow the Church as the church leads, because we're supposed to be the conscience 391 00:27:12.140 --> 00:27:15.730 of society. Unfortunately, we've not been that in a lot of ways, 392 00:27:15.849 --> 00:27:19.410 but there are some ways that we have been, and I know you're involved 393 00:27:19.410 --> 00:27:23.930 with some of the political stuff and in particular the life amendment. Right, 394 00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:27.569 talk about that, talk about the the way the church can get him border 395 00:27:27.609 --> 00:27:30.079 get on war with that and why that's sort of a, you know, 396 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.440 an important thing for us to understand. Well, one of the most important 397 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:41.000 scriptures, I think, of the rescue movement, that it was talked about 398 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.309 frequently, was, I believe, this Matthew Sixteen, where Jesus says to 399 00:27:45.430 --> 00:27:52.069 Peter the gates of hell will not prevail against my church, and to to 400 00:27:52.190 --> 00:27:59.660 understand what that meant, that the Church was confronting the gates of Hell. 401 00:27:59.819 --> 00:28:03.579 Yeah, you know that we are, we are, we are going after 402 00:28:03.619 --> 00:28:07.539 the gates hell. But as in their last few years, as I've studied 403 00:28:07.539 --> 00:28:11.099 that, I've come to a new understanding, as I realize the word church 404 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:18.890 is actually not really a good representation of what Jesus said in that scripture. 405 00:28:19.049 --> 00:28:23.049 Okay, Peter it. The word in Greek is ECCLESEA, and the word 406 00:28:23.089 --> 00:28:29.640 Ecclesia, or assembly, is something that has a rich background in both the 407 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:33.359 Old Testament and in the Greek culture. You know, of course, that 408 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:38.519 that was written in Greek. Yeah, and the Greek ECCLESSEA, that was 409 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:45.630 hundreds of years before Christ, was the assembly, the political assembly of men 410 00:28:45.990 --> 00:28:51.230 of the community who came together to decide key issues in the community, in 411 00:28:51.269 --> 00:28:55.670 the Kay, in the community. These are the city states of classical Greek 412 00:28:56.059 --> 00:29:00.619 the community. The communities were the police, and that's where the word politics 413 00:29:00.940 --> 00:29:07.299 comes out of that community, where the ECCLESSEA was there deciding these issues. 414 00:29:07.579 --> 00:29:11.369 And so when we say the gates of hell will not prevail against the ECCLESSEA, 415 00:29:12.009 --> 00:29:18.609 you know understand the assembly that there was a political connotation to that in 416 00:29:18.730 --> 00:29:22.130 its original meaning. And so you know, when Jesus calls us to occupy 417 00:29:22.410 --> 00:29:27.599 until he comes, and you know, even though we are we are not 418 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:33.359 citizens of this world, that we are citizens of Heaven, we are to 419 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.000 be faithful in the tasks that he has given us here. Yeah, as 420 00:29:37.630 --> 00:29:44.269 citizens of our nation, we have all authority is given to us by God, 421 00:29:44.349 --> 00:29:47.509 and so we have the authority that God has given to us as citizens 422 00:29:47.509 --> 00:29:51.430 of our nation to be involved in the political process, to be involved in 423 00:29:51.549 --> 00:29:59.859 not just voting but in in political efforts to raise awareness about things, and 424 00:30:00.460 --> 00:30:03.859 so I think it's part of our calling to be salt and light in the 425 00:30:03.980 --> 00:30:14.089 society that we need to be reaching for efforts to protect people of all of 426 00:30:14.130 --> 00:30:17.049 all kinds. Yeah, and you know, abortion is not political issue, 427 00:30:17.089 --> 00:30:19.369 it's a people issue, okay, and just like a lot of things that 428 00:30:21.089 --> 00:30:25.160 politicians deal with affect people and a lot of things churches deal with affect people. 429 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:29.440 Yeah, and so abortion is one of those things. It's affecting real 430 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.240 people, that child in its mother's womb. Ninety seven percent of biologists, 431 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.829 a recent study, study recently came out saying that ninety seven percent of biologists 432 00:30:37.910 --> 00:30:44.910 agree that human life begins at the point of fertilization, conception, when the 433 00:30:44.950 --> 00:30:48.150 sperm and egg meet. Yeah, and so this is something that, you 434 00:30:48.269 --> 00:30:52.420 know, those who advocate taking away the lives of these children in the womb 435 00:30:52.420 --> 00:30:56.140 are really science deniers. Those who say that's not a baby, that's not 436 00:30:56.180 --> 00:31:00.579 a human being. These are the worst kind of science deniers, where they 437 00:31:00.859 --> 00:31:07.089 really basic basic genetics to know this baby in the womb is a human being. 438 00:31:07.130 --> 00:31:10.690 Yeah, and so the life amendment is an effort to simply say, 439 00:31:11.250 --> 00:31:17.130 and it's very it's a very short thing, that simply say that a human 440 00:31:17.170 --> 00:31:22.480 being is considered legally a person from the earliest point of its development. Yeah, 441 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.319 and so it doesn't go into a lot of detail about abortion or anything 442 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:32.400 like that, because if you use that word person, it links in with 443 00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:37.269 the Fifth Amendment, in the Fourteenth Amendment especially the fourteen that talks about the 444 00:31:37.390 --> 00:31:44.150 protections of you can't deny a person of life or liberty without due process. 445 00:31:44.309 --> 00:31:49.539 Yeah, and so the due process this isn't it's not in any way taking 446 00:31:49.579 --> 00:31:56.420 away from the personhood of a woman. Women as well deserve due process, 447 00:31:56.019 --> 00:32:00.980 but the baby deserves due process, yeah, or it's life is taken away. 448 00:32:00.380 --> 00:32:07.009 And so the life amendment is an effort constitutionally in our federal constitution to 449 00:32:07.410 --> 00:32:12.410 have what you've probably the personhood movement. Yes, the country quite a bit. 450 00:32:12.450 --> 00:32:16.680 It's a it's a federal personhood effort. But the difference is that a 451 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:23.119 federal constitutional amendment is something the Supreme Court can't strike it down, they can't 452 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:28.000 tinker with it. It's a constitutional amendment. It actually sets the rules that 453 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.750 the Supreme Court itself has to live yeah. So they have to, they 454 00:32:31.829 --> 00:32:36.349 have to adhere to that as part of the constitution because they're there, yeah, 455 00:32:36.390 --> 00:32:38.589 required uphold. So what is the language exactly and what you guys have 456 00:32:38.750 --> 00:32:44.460 proposed in the in the life amendment? Well, I don't have the exact 457 00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:51.539 language, members, but basically it's that from the beginning of the development of 458 00:32:51.619 --> 00:32:54.339 a human being it would be considered a person. Okay, it's a very, 459 00:32:54.380 --> 00:33:00.130 very so basically it's just an invitation for everyone to catch it with reality 460 00:33:00.289 --> 00:33:02.650 that this is a person and for the government to catch it with that reality 461 00:33:02.690 --> 00:33:07.769 and say, basically, all of the constitutional protections that are in the bill 462 00:33:07.769 --> 00:33:13.640 of rights and the constitution apply even to a person in the womb. Right. 463 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.400 Okay, let's go. Website Life Amendment Dot Org is going to ask 464 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:21.240 if there was a particular website. Someone be good specific wording on their life 465 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:25.920 amendment dot Org. But the real person whose passion brought this about, this 466 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:31.309 life amendment website, is a man that many people probably are familiar with, 467 00:33:31.630 --> 00:33:37.750 Dr Don Smith. He was the the the produce sure, of the silent 468 00:33:37.789 --> 00:33:42.019 screen video Manka many years ago. Remember that video and while since I watched 469 00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:45.180 it, but it's powerful. He passed away in January at about ninety five 470 00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:49.339 years old. I think he was little, little, little short of his 471 00:33:49.420 --> 00:33:52.539 ninety five birthday. But God, God used him for many years, but 472 00:33:52.660 --> 00:33:55.369 in the last few years we had the opportunity of working with him on this 473 00:33:55.529 --> 00:34:00.210 life amendment effort and the things, the way this whole life men was constructed 474 00:34:00.289 --> 00:34:05.450 in the things, most of the things on our website and our pamphlets we 475 00:34:05.529 --> 00:34:08.170 hand out, those were all written by by him and his final years. 476 00:34:08.570 --> 00:34:13.880 Yeah, so it's talked about a pro life pioneer. It's just been amazing 477 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:19.159 to have the opportunity the last few years as he was in his in his 478 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:24.150 rest home, we talked to him frequently there. This was his passion until 479 00:34:24.389 --> 00:34:29.510 his final days. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I know for sure 480 00:34:30.190 --> 00:34:32.389 for me personally. You know I'm around Flip Benham. You guys know him 481 00:34:32.429 --> 00:34:37.190 on a regular basis and been exposed to other people that have been in per 482 00:34:37.349 --> 00:34:39.539 life ministry for a long time and I've been able to just clean a lot 483 00:34:39.579 --> 00:34:45.780 of wisdom and and just talking to you guys and just this little bit of 484 00:34:45.860 --> 00:34:47.699 time that we've known each other, been able to draw out some wisdom for 485 00:34:47.780 --> 00:34:52.019 sure. And just the last couple of minutes, because I wrap this thing 486 00:34:52.099 --> 00:34:54.409 up, if that's all right with you, guys, share if you could, 487 00:34:55.489 --> 00:34:59.570 some wisdom, maybe some some things that that you know for those who 488 00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:04.210 are kind of brand new in dealing with the issue of abortion. Maybe those 489 00:35:04.409 --> 00:35:07.920 a lot of folks that they listen to our podcast are involved in sidewalk counseling 490 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.599 and maybe just newly involved in it and maybe some other people, you know, 491 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.079 whatever reason to listen this podcast. What are some maybe I don't know, 492 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:20.960 maybe some of the warnings or just some nuggets of wisdom that you would 493 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.710 speak to somebody just brand new getting into this, this battle for the unborn? 494 00:35:24.429 --> 00:35:29.710 Well, in terms of dealing with people directly who are going in for 495 00:35:29.789 --> 00:35:32.550 abortion, that's been the major focus of our ministry over the years, though 496 00:35:32.550 --> 00:35:36.300 we've done a lot of different things, including life amendment things like that, 497 00:35:36.579 --> 00:35:42.340 but the you know, one of the best pieces of wisdom I got was 498 00:35:43.099 --> 00:35:50.849 about probably fifteen years ago when when Franklin Graham was coming to Bakersfield for one 499 00:35:50.889 --> 00:35:55.690 of his festivals, and we've had an opportunity to see Franklin Graham many times 500 00:35:58.050 --> 00:36:01.809 over the years and really appreciate his boldness and speaking out abortion. In this 501 00:36:01.969 --> 00:36:06.480 particular situation, he didn't talk about abortion at all. I don't recall him 502 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.159 speaking of abortion specifically at that time, but we were going to be a 503 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:15.119 part of the effort in terms of just counseling people at the end and there's 504 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:20.590 a training class they have you go through and part of that that's I'm assuming, 505 00:36:20.670 --> 00:36:23.510 has been part of the Billy Graham training probably for years before Franklin himself 506 00:36:23.630 --> 00:36:30.949 was the evangelist there. But part of that was just really key to me 507 00:36:30.110 --> 00:36:35.579 when it talked about when you're taught, when you're trying to reach somebody, 508 00:36:35.699 --> 00:36:42.739 you need to address their significance and their security. Okay, those two key 509 00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:45.980 things I think are so important as we're dealing with people on this issue. 510 00:36:46.099 --> 00:36:50.929 Significance, both to the mother and to the baby. Yeah, to understand 511 00:36:51.489 --> 00:36:54.409 mom, you are significant in the eyes of God. You matter to God 512 00:36:54.730 --> 00:37:00.010 and your baby matters too. Yeah. And the security is to say to 513 00:37:00.130 --> 00:37:02.920 the mother, we're here to help you. Yeah, God isn't. You're 514 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.360 not alone here. You know, there are people that are going to help 515 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:12.480 you through this. Yeah. And so we need to consider the significance and 516 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.710 security of women as we're dealing with them. And that same training went on 517 00:37:15.829 --> 00:37:21.750 to talk about things that are roadblocks to relationships and talk talked about there as 518 00:37:21.750 --> 00:37:23.110 I think, five days it goes through. I know if I can remember 519 00:37:23.269 --> 00:37:29.269 remember them all, but demeaning, demanding, dogmatic, all these things that, 520 00:37:29.469 --> 00:37:31.940 you know, if you're kind of saying you got to do it my 521 00:37:32.179 --> 00:37:37.300 way to this woman and kind of trying to push her into your mold instead 522 00:37:37.340 --> 00:37:42.699 of saying, you know, there's a God here who is wanting to help 523 00:37:42.739 --> 00:37:49.690 you through this. If we're trying to push them with our human ability instead 524 00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:54.929 of letting God use us in this situation, then things don't turn out so 525 00:37:55.050 --> 00:37:58.489 well and they put up roadblocks. And yes, do. But I guess 526 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:05.079 really found that training from from the Grand Organization to be just nugget of wisdom 527 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.440 that every pro lifers should consider. Yeah, yeah, it's good stuff. 528 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.239 It's sort of along the lines, you know, because we do trainings as 529 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:15.670 a ministry for sidewall counseling and we have three points that we encourage sidewall counselors 530 00:38:15.710 --> 00:38:19.510 to touch on. We say, talk about what God says. What God 531 00:38:19.550 --> 00:38:22.269 says about abortion, of course, but what God says about the mother and 532 00:38:22.389 --> 00:38:23.829 the baby, that he loves them, that he cares about them. So 533 00:38:23.949 --> 00:38:29.179 that's sort of speaks to that whole seeing their values should the significance that they 534 00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:30.820 have. And then we say, you know, talk about the humanity to 535 00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:34.860 the baby. Baby's hearts already beating. Your baby has ten fingers, ten 536 00:38:34.940 --> 00:38:37.019 toes, at all that. So give humanity to the baby. And the 537 00:38:37.099 --> 00:38:42.130 third point that we tell people is resources. Talk about the things are available 538 00:38:42.210 --> 00:38:45.050 in the mobilt, your sound unit, this right theory, pregnancy centers, 539 00:38:45.769 --> 00:38:49.090 prenatal care, all these other things. It's sort of sort of Rud along 540 00:38:49.090 --> 00:38:52.530 the lines of what you're saying. It's not rocket science. It's pretty pretty 541 00:38:52.530 --> 00:38:54.719 simple things. If we look at it from in our perspective, being in 542 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:58.599 difficult situations, what are the things that speaks to us? What are the 543 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.679 things that helps calm the storm? And it's exactly like, like you said. 544 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:07.960 Well, makes me think of to flip been, I'm phrase, but 545 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.309 it just makes me think of letting our theology become biography. Yeah, yeah, 546 00:39:12.349 --> 00:39:15.030 it's all, yeah, exactly. Well with that, I'm going to 547 00:39:15.110 --> 00:39:19.909 wrap this thing up. I do appreciate you guys coming and in sharing your 548 00:39:19.949 --> 00:39:22.190 heart, sharing your experiences. I know that it'll have an effect. Certainly 549 00:39:22.230 --> 00:39:24.940 had an effect on me and I know how effect on others. I want 550 00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:30.940 to encourage those who are listening with check out these guys website. As far 551 00:39:30.019 --> 00:39:34.980 as the life amendment, you said Life Amendment Dot Org or is that right? 552 00:39:35.380 --> 00:39:37.730 And you guys have a website locally for your ministry and what you guys 553 00:39:37.730 --> 00:39:42.570 are involved in. What's that website, glorified Jesuscom. I like that. 554 00:39:42.849 --> 00:39:45.210 That's really good. Glorified Jesuscom. That's what this is about. So you 555 00:39:45.289 --> 00:39:49.730 can check those guys out. I'll put that in the description in the podcast 556 00:39:49.769 --> 00:39:52.559 itself so people can get to those websites. Also, we have a website 557 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:58.400 as a ministry that we always mentioned, and that's www dot sidewalks for lifecom, 558 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.920 sidewalks and number for Lifecom, which is a Gospel Center, sidewalk counseling 559 00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:06.719 website with training videos and and we put out blog posts on a regular basis 560 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.230 talking about how to be effective in certain areas and and that sort of thing. 561 00:40:09.309 --> 00:40:14.110 You can connect with me also at d parks, D parks, at 562 00:40:14.150 --> 00:40:17.309 cities for Lifecom and our website, Charlotte dot cities for Life Dot Org. 563 00:40:19.230 --> 00:40:22.019 And appreciate you, guys. Come appreciate all those who listen and until next 564 00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:37.289 time, God bless, use, mill use, give me, give me. 565 00:40:45.010 --> 00:40:52.199 It will cost me my life, but these two precious inside