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Yeah, you definitely don't want to
lose the grief and, again, the
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gravity of what's happening. But if
you dwell on the grief and the gravity,
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Um, yeah, if you if
you lose it, your heart could
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be callous and can be hardened,
but if you dwell on it, you'll
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start to become bitter and disillusioned.
I Am Yours, I'm yours, I'm
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yours, and me, Lord,
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to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Everyone. I'm yeah, good test
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see you, Daniel. I'm Vicky
Kasier here Daniel Parks and we have an
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encouragement today. I think this is
this is an encouragement for all of you
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who may be, like our state, are seeing an unbelievable influx of abortions
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in their state. So here in
Charlotte, we're pretty much in North Carolina.
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We are surrounded by states that have
some sort of restrictions and people are
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flocking from out of state, two
Charlotte specifically, and Tuesday of this week
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there were probably more than ninety abortions
in one center. I know we've always
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seen people coming from South Carolina and
from Georgia pretty consistently. Sometimes maybe from
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Virginia, Alabama, Tennessee, but
for the most part South Carolina, North
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Carolina's rules because we're not far from
the South Carolina border. But now,
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yeah, we're seeing I mean I
think today the I was out there just
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for a little bit on the sidewalk
and our team lead was just counting the
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cars that had come from Georgia.
I mean we pretty consistently we'll see maybe
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a car or two per week or
something like that from Georgia, and now
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it's like multiple people a day coming
to at least little tribal abortion center from
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Georgia and Alabama and Tennessee and stuff. Yeah, we're thinking probably half of
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the arrivals right now are coming from
Georgia. So they're clearly being sent from
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from Georgia. So, but ninety
is it's the record for me then,
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the largest number of people coming for
an abortion that I have seen in the
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ten years I've been out there.
Um It's pretty devastating. It's devastating to
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be on that sidewalk and watch these
women just stream. And Yeah, I
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mean there's a certain heaviness just being
there has. Anyway, we're in front
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of a place where kids are dying
right, people are killing their children,
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and especially at the latrobe abortion center. Like those ninety cars that showed up
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there, we know that they didn't
come in for something other than abortion,
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because that's all they do there.
Right. So it's heavy already being there,
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but to see the parking lot full, so full that they have to
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park people in a second parking lot
and even park people on the street,
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that that brings a level of heaviness
that's hard to it's hard to grasp,
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it's hard to deal with, it's
hard to cope with. And, Um,
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and so certainly, like we,
we know that we need to be
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praying all the more for our folks
that are serving out there on the sidewalk
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and we need to be rallying people
to hey, we need more folks out
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here, because you could always use
more volunteers out there. Um. But
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yeah, I mean just the heaviness
is kind of what what just is brought
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fresh to my mind because I remember
years back when I would be out here
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on a Saturday. Saturday's used to
be the busiest day. Used to be
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like they're sometimes sixty, sometimes seventy, five people there on an average,
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probably fifty or so on the Saturday. Since the love life started with the
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prayer walks and we saw a significant
decrease in people coming out here on Saturdays.
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Um. But I mean I remember
back in those days we would have
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fifty, sixty cars there, so
much so they'd be parking them on the
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street. I just remember the heaviness
that came with that. But to see
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ninety like that's just Um, yeah, it's hard to grasp. It's truly
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mind boggling and horrific. Uh,
that's three kindergarten classes, you know,
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if you want to think about it
in those terms, maybe even four right
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there in one day being slaughtered.
So Uh, you know, it's it's
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led us all to to really think
about how can we help our counselors who
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are facing this, because it is
so heavy and it is, I think,
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very easy to become very discouraged and
depressed by Um, by that influx
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which is just huge. So Um, we were thinking about what can we
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say, well, how can we
encourage our counselors to stay in the battle
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and not be destroyed by the weight
of this battle? And one of the
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things we have said many, many
times, and I think just preface,
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is this is not our battle.
This battle belongs to the Lord. This
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is we're called to be there.
There's no doubt we're called to be there.
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We feel very convicted of that,
or we wouldn't have been there all
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these years. But ultimately it's it's
not us that brings the results. Yeah,
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we're called to be faithful, we're
called to show up and proclaim God's
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word, and God is the one
that does the work. And that doesn't
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make it any less heavy for us. There's kind of this balance that we
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need to strike, and I've been
talking about this recently just with our staff
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here and also just even in my
own heart. Um, there's this balance
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we've got to strike with understanding the
reality ninety babies are dying, but then
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we can't let our minds dwell on
that. And this is this is a
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key right here, guys, and
the key Um, it comes out of
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Paul, his letter to the Philippians, and Paul specifically says Philippians four,
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eight through nine and I believe Paul. You even think about the brother Paul,
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Think about the Apostle Paul, Paul. This guy dealt with a lot
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of stuff. You talk about heaviness. Not only did he have situations where
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he was shipwrecked and he was beaten, he was beaten by the Romans,
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he was rejected by the Jews Um, he also had brothers in the Lord
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that rejected him, that turned their
back on him. He had to deal
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with the pressure of the churches turning
away from the truth that he had taught
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them, turning into, you know, back into Judaism and other kind of
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heresies and things. And he had
he had a weight about him, right,
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and he had to deal with like
the reality of these things. And
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just like us, we have to
deal with the reality babies are dying.
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But I believe Paul trained his mind
to not dwell on the things that are
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bad, the bad things that are
happening. We have to be very intentional
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about this. The news media knows
that the human propensity is to gravitate towards
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the bad. Like we like to
dwell on the bad, and so that's
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why you always see bad news right
that's compelling to get sort of an hour
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in the monkey so that there's more, more bad news, I call it
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the bad news, and they make
money off of that human propensity to grasp
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those things that are bad. Dwell
on the things that are bad. Um,
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I know one thing. This is
just an example, but and sending
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out emails. You know in the
past you used to do some email marketing
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and stuff. If you have a
negative subject line, people are far more
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likely to open it than if you
have a positive subject line. It's just
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a reality. It's human nature.
Yeah, but we have to train our
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minds to think on the things that
are good. And so Paul says in
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Philippians four versus eight through nine.
He says, finally, brothers and sisters,
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whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is
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pure, whatever is lovely, whatever
is admirable, admirable, if there's anything
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excellent or praiseworthy worthy, think about
such things. One version says, think
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on these things. If there's anything
praiseworthy, there's anything, just think on
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these things. So what I want
to encourage you before we get into kind
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of the meat of this podcast episode, you guys who are out there and
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there's a heaviness out there, whether
there's an influx of people coming in for
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abortions or just a fact that you're
there in front of a place where where
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kids are being murdered. We have
to grasp the reality of what's happening and
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not lose the gravity, because we
talk about that right. We need to
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not lose the gravity that babies are
dying, but we cannot meditate and and
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have our minds dwell on that.
We have to dwell on the good things.
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What's a good thing? Well,
if you're out there on the sidewalk,
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you're a good that God is doing. God has called you to be
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out there. People are there,
you have a team with you. Praise
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God. Maybe it's only you and
another person. Think on the fact that
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God took someone who was dead in
their trespasses and sins, saved them,
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put his word in them and his
Holy Spirit in them and placed them at
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a place of death. You're there. That's praiseworthy. Think about that.
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Think about God working through you and
how he's using you. If you've seen
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babies saved, think about the babies
that have been saved instead of just dwelling
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on the ones who are dying.
Think about that, which is Praiseworthy,
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and praise God for his work.
Salvations, people that are coming to the
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Lord. Think about that, the
body of Christ being united and mobilized,
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churches that are in your city who
are doing nothing about abortion now are doing
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something about it. Think on the
things. Train your mind, bring your
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mind in subjection, take every thought
captive to the obedience of Christ. Bring
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your mind and subjection to those things
which are praiseworthy and think on those things,
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not losing the gravity of what's going
on. That's my encouragement and I
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agree totally with all of that.
And it is there. There will be
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that tension. I just had a
counselor say to me, I think it
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was yesterday, I don't want to
lose them, the grief, because my
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heart will become hard and we don't
want to be hard hearted. It's our
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soft hearts that allow us, I
think too, to be there for those
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MOMS. So, but you definitely
don't want to lose the grief and again,
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the gravity of what's happening. But
if you dwell on the grief and
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the gravity, Um, yeah,
if you if you lose it, your
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heart could be callous and can be
hardened, but if you dwell on it
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you'll start to become bitter and disillusioned. Right, exactly. So, as
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I was thinking about this, uh, the story in the Bible that came
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to mind is one of my favorite
books in the Bible, the story of
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Jeremiah, the weeping profit, and
there is a very well, there's a
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few encouraging passages in Jeremiah, but
one of the most odd encouragements has to
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do with a field in a war
zone. And so in Jeremiah, just
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to kind of recap Jeremiah, his
his story really is very tragic. He's
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he's called to this ministry as a
youth and he says, but I'm just
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a youth. I mean, he
tries kind of to like argue God,
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how can I speak? I'm just
a youth and Um, and that's where
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that passage comes from. And Jeremiah, one five that we use on the
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sidewalk a lot. Before I formed
you, I knew you and before you
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were born, I set you apart
as a prophet to the nation's right.
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Yeah, yeah, and I'm glad
you brought that up because that's that's so
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critical. Well, Jeremiah was called
for this God already knew, just as
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he already knew all of us that
are on the sidewalk. We're going to
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be on the sidewalk ID already knew
that. We have been called, called
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to that work. and Um so
Jeremiah is already kind of a reluctant prophet
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and then he's told what is going
to have to be his life being a
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prophet for God in this man a
street at that particular time and place.
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He was told he would never marry, he could not attend the normal social
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customs like Um and celebrations like weddings
or funerals. He was told he never
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have children. Um So he had
a very isolated, lonely life. And
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on top of it, his message
is to be to a very wicked,
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disobedient people who have strayed so far
from God, to tell them your wickedness,
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now is the time of judgment and
you're going to be led away to
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captivity. The battylonians are going to
take over and you all need to basically
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repent and turn back to God.
And he he preaches for forty years with
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no results. With no results.
Can you imagine that? No visible fruit
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forty years. Um. So,
basically looking at it from, you know,
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a human perspective. He was a
total failure right. He there was
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just zero it. It seemed as
though every effort was wasted on on on
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his part. But in this story, Um, where it talks about the
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field, he's preaching to these people, the Babylonians, I think the childeans.
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I'm a little bit fuzzy on like
all the people that are a part
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of the Babylonians and who took over. Maybe maybe, if I say something
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wrong, do correct me. But
Um, the Chaldeans have already taken over
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a good portion of the land,
including a portion that is the middle of
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the war zone, a field,
and that field is owned by Jeremiah's uncle
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and in the middle of Jeremiah.
Let's see the the verse is I think
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it's chapter thirty two. Yeah,
Chapter Thirty two, Jeremiah, and it's
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the whole chapter and it talks about
how, Um, the uncle basically wants
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to get rid of this field because
the field is worthless. You know,
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it's in the middle of a battle
zone that I don't know if the uncle
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believed Jeremiah that hey, we're going
to be going into exile and that field
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is going to be worthless, not
only as worthless said as it is now,
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but it's going to be worthless.
For how long were they in Babylonian
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Captivity? Eighty years, something like
his, his lifetime. He was never
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going to be able to, you
know, to to do anything with this
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field. So the cousin, Jeremiah's
cousin comes and says, Hey, buy
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this field, pay, pay good
money and buy this field. And Jeremiah,
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Here's God's Um word voice telling him
by the field. He wants him
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to buy the field. and Um
Jeremiah knows the field is worthless. He
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knows God's prophecy because he's been proclaiming
it now for, you know, decades.
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And he knows he's spending money for
a field that will never be redeemed.
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But he does it because God told
him to do it. So he
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was obedient. He buys the field
and then God talks about how that field
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one day will be redeemed, the
it will be prosperous, the people will
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return. There's that beautiful poign in
verse where God says they will be my
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people and I will be their God, and so there will be repentance and
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there will be returned to the land
and the field. He specifically says fields
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will be bought in this land,
of which you say it is a desolation
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without manner. Beast men will buy
fields for money, sign and seal deeds,
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calling witnesses and Um, for I
will restore their fortunes, declares the
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Lord. That's how that chapter ends. So he ends with this vision for
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Jeremiah, saying it's okay, this
really what that field is is a symbol
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of yes, there is desolation right
now. Yes, you don't see the
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fulfillment of my promises, but trust
me, the promises will be fulfilled and
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that field will be of great value. So as I'm as I'm thinking of
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that story and feeling so sorry for
Jeremiah, but thinking what a privilege that
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God did reveal what was going to
happen. And, by the way,
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Jeremiah never did see that day.
He never did get in human life.
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In his life he never saw the
field redeemed, he never saw the return
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from captivity Um, he never saw
his people repent and turn back to God.
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But he kept preaching faithfully anyway.
And I was thinking in so many
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ways I could see this as an
analogy of what we face as sideball counselors.
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Our field sometimes looks desolate, our
efforts sometimes seem absolutely feudal. Ninety
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babies were killed Tuesday. There was
one baby saved that we and we knew
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that it was a confirmed save.
That's the only one we knew about.
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So that to me, is looking
at it, that desolate field, knowing
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God doesn't want those babies to die. Why? Why? God? Why
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are all these babies dying now?
And yet are our folks are standing there
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in obedience to God's call, knowing
his promises, knowing his attributes, knowing
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God is good, knowing he promises
that all things will work together for the
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good of those who call, who
love the Lord, who have been called
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according to his purpose. And we
may not see that field of abortion redeemed
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in in our lifetime, we may
not see it until Jesus comes again,
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but we do have God's promises that
in the end all will be made right
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and we are standing there for a
purpose and we're standing there from a place
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of victory, because Jesus has already
secured the victory. Yeah, yeah,
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a man. Yeah, I don't
I don't know if I shared this with
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you and maybe I've shared it on
the previous episode of the podcast, but
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I shared with our staff a couple
of weeks ago just the devotional before we
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did our staff meeting, and the
title of my devotional was life sucks.
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Sometimes life sucks, but we win. And the premise is that there's difficulties,
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there's things Jesus said. In this
world you will have tribulation, you
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know, because we're in a fallen
world. There are falling people. We
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are falling people in perfect in many
ways, many aspects, and uh so,
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issues are gonna come, we're gonna
face issues, we're gonna see things
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like ninety babies dying. We're gonna
feel the pressure and the weight and the
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grief from things like that. But
at the end of the day, Jesus
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Christ has defeated the worst enemy of
all death and if we're in him,
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we win. As a matter of
fact, the passage that I went to
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was in acts chapter two, where
Peter Again, this is a guy who
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rejected Jesus when he said, when
all else reject you, I won't reject
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you, but he did anyway outright
denied, even cursed when he denied even
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knowing Jesus three times. So this
is a loser like he he was a
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loser, rejected Jesus and all that. And yet in Jesus resurrection, Jesus
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Calls Him To be a leader right
ultimately fills him with his Holy Spirit.
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In Acts Chapter two, when the
spirits poured out and this man who was
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a loser before became a bold proclaimer
of the Gospel, even so bold.
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Then, in front of a crowd
of three thousand people in the day of
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Pentecost, he pens the crucifixion of
Jesus on them. He says this Jesus,
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that you guys crucified, pointing the
finger at them. So he was
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so bold. He's going to preach
to this crowd of three thousand people who
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some were probably angry and somewhere wondering
what's going on in this day of Pentecost.
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But then in that in that past, I believe it's in verse twenty
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four, he talks about Jesus,
he talks about the resurrection, she said,
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whom God raised from the dead Um. And then he says this.
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He says because it was impossible that
he could be held by death. Peter
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was confident. Peter was a bold
man who previously had been a loser.
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Now he's a winner. It's kind
of Cheesy, but we win. We're
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in Christ, and Peter knew that
because he knew he was in the one
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who had defeated death. And he
says that it was not possible that he
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could be held by it, that
he could be held by death. And
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so what Peter is saying, this
is what we need to understand. It
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wasn't that it was improbable, that
it probably wouldn't happen, very unlikely to
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happen, but Peter's basically saying it
didn't even enter into the equation, didn't
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even compute, wasn't even worth consideration
that Jesus could be held by death.
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It's not even it's not possible.
It's impossible that Jesus could be held by
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death because he is the Lord over
everything, he is the victor over free
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enemy and those are in him.
It's impossible that we can be held by
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death. And so we win,
no matter what's happening around us, and
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we're grieved by those babies that are
dying, for sure, but if we're
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in Christ, we win. All
we have to be to have victory.
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We've said it time and again.
We just have to obey, just just
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be obedient, trust in Jesus,
show up on the sidewalk because he's called
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you to. And Jeremiah. Jeremiah
that he was a failure in the eyes
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of the world, was a victor
in the eyes of God because he obeyed
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what God told him to do.
Yeah, so, analyzing and looking at
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what Jeremiah did and just this simple
little story in with the field, we
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came up with some kind of key
principle, principles that I think will help
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all of us to obey faithfully,
to follow God faithfully in the midst of
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such great discouragement, such such difficult
times. And the first one is my
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favorite. He was obedient in the
difficult things. It is so easy to
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be obedient when God is answering every
prayer the way you want it answer,
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when things are cushy, comfortable and
happy and going the way you hope that
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life will go. It is a
whole lot harder to obey God when you
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see no end and the situation is
very difficult. And why I love that
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is, first of all, it's
true. It has been so true in
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my life that, Um, you
know, it's scripture, but it also
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it rings true in my life and
my experience, but it is also the
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very thing that allows ninety women to
come and aboard their child. Most of
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those women would claim to have faith. We know that because we've been there
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a long time. We've talked to
a lot of women out there. We're
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in the Bible belt, and yet
their faith is not sustaining them to be
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obedient to God's clear command that shall
not murder in whatever difficulties they face.
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So to me this is one of
the most key points for us. Obedience.
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No matter what, no matter what
you're facing, you still obey God
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through those hard times. Yeah,
and God honors that. Yes, yeah,
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yeah, yeah, so, Um. The second thing that I love
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about Jeremiah and breaks my heart for
him, is that he had to live
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what looks like an unbearable life,
not only in his obedience to the calling,
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which was so lacking in fruit from
what he could tell, but the
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things that God required of him.
Like I, we don't know why.
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I don't know why, Um,
but they were very hard things. I
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have read some commentaries. For example, why was he not allowed to marry?
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Well, God knew that for the
next eighty years life was going to
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be pretty unbearable under the Babylonians and
Um and that, uh, you know,
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he'd be bearing children to a population
that was doing all kinds of unspeakable
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evil. God knew that and maybe
in a sense he was sparing Jeremiah from
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the pain of watching his wife and
children, his family, be Um raised
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formed in that kind of an environment. That's one of the commentaries I've read.
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Yeah, well, if you think
about it and just dig a little
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deeper with Jeremiah, he did suffer
rejection and we've said oftentimes the ministry on
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the sidewalk is the Ministry of rejection, and so it's tough and so we
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identify with that for sure. So
he suffered rejection and false accusation and he
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had to do some hard stuff,
confront the lead and things like that,
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which are which are hard things to
do. But he also had the glory
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of fellowshipping with God. I mean
this guy seemed to have some kind of
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direct communication. I don't know there
was a voice from heaven or something Um,
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but this guy had direct communion with
God and that's really an important point
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here. I don't know if you
have it listed in this list of things
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key principles to endure faithfully, but
communion with God is key. Um,
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well, you have that. That's
the third point. He knew God,
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right, this man knew the Lord. He had an intimate relationship with the
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Lord, and that, guys,
will sustain you when nothing else will.
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That's why we say, and I
want to put this warning out there because
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I know, especially you guys that
are new to sidewalk ministry, the temptation
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is to let the ministry on the
sidewalk replace your relationship with the Lord.
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And so instead of seeking him in
prayer and being in the word for that
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day that you volunteer or for your
whatever, maybe you volunteer a couple of
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days or you serve in the leadership
capacity, and so you let your service
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to the Lord Replace Your intimacy with
the Lord, and that is a trap.
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Do not fall into that trap.
You need intimacy with the Lord.
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You need one on one time with
Jesus in his word and in prayer and
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in worship. That time on the
sidewalk is different. That's time where you're
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serving him. That's time that you
serve him out of the overflow of what
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you got while you were in his
presence alone. Right, you get filled
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to overflowing and the overflow is what
happens in public when you go out to
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the sidewalk. So don't fall into
the trap of replacing intimacy with God with
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ministry, and I don't think we
easily develop the depth of intimacy God in
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a place of comfort. And again, I'm speaking from my own experience.
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I would say the times when I
have felt the closest to the Lord is
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when I've been in the most painful, impossible situations, breast cancer being one
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of those times. Terrified. I
was terrified, I you know, I
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thought I was gonna die. No
one wants to hear those words. The
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prospect of what I was going to
endure was overwhelming, beyond my ability to
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bear. And yet God was so
present in in my life at that time
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and I think that that is maybe
I'm glad you did mention this and bring
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it out, because I don't think
I brought it out that well in the
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in the article that we wrote.
But Um uh, that it is in
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sometimes when we absolutely um are at
the end of our ability to cope,
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to bear in such difficult circumstances,
that God is necessary and that we understand
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the necessity for God as truly the
only hope. So I think that that
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goes right into the third one.
Jeremiah knew God. He studied God's word,
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he prayed, he listened to God's
voice, and we need to do
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the to do the same. Yeah, yeah, and next you have here
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in number four. Here he didn't
try to make God who he wanted God
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to be. He understood who God
was, and that's we don't bring God
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down to kind of match our expectations. God is God and our service to
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him is because he's Lord, not
his service to us because, you know,
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we're cute and we're special or whatever. He let God be who God
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was in his heart, in his
mind, and that's why he was able
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to be an obedience and there's a
sense in which if you're going to be
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an effective believer, you're gonna be
consistent, you're gonna be faithful, you've
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got to fear the Lord, and
that's what Jeremiah did. He feared God.
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It wasn't wasn't that he was afraid
of God. He was intimate with
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the Lord, but he had a
reverence and a fear for God and who
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God is and knowing the true attributes
of God. Not what he wanted God's
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attributes to be in those struggles.
The next one. You've said a lot
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to our sidebag counselors, and I
think it's again a key point, that
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that it's our obedience, that we're
responsible for our faithfulness, doing what God
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has called us to do, but
we're not called for the results. That
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that's that's God's, God's job,
not ours. The burden is his.
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I heard someone else say recently it's
God's burden to bear. It might have
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been you, Daniel. It's God's
burden to bear, not ours, um
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which leads to the final point,
uh, that when we have that perspective,
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when we recognize it's all God,
we're just there in obedience and we're
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doing our part, but everything else
is up to God, well then of
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course all the glory also goes to
him, not to us. So that
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allows a team to be able to
go home at the end of the day
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when their shift is over, whether
there are still babies in there being slaughtered
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or not. You know, you've
been out there. We had someone collapsed
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from heat exhaustion recently and we're learning
let God be God, let God be.
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He is in control. You do
your part and then rest assured that.
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Um, that is all he's asking
of us. Man. Well,
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guys, we hope that this podcast
episode was a blessing to you and encouragement
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to you and, uh, we
always encourage you guys to reach out to
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us. If there's any way that
we can speak into the situations that you
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guys are facing, we'd love to
be able to do that. You can
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reach me, Daniel at Love Life
Dot Org. You can reach her,
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Vicky at Love Life Dot Org.
Also, we'll mention we're doing a monthly
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what we're calling a Q and e. rather than a q and a.
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it's questions and encouragement side of what
questions and encouragement meeting. We do it
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the first Saturday of every month,
five PM eastern time, and that actually
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an invite to that goes out to
everyone who's been through all three of our
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training modules. We have three training
modules, Sidewalk One oh one through one
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oh three, and so if you're
in a love life city and you've completed
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all those, you should have gotten
an invite to that. If not,
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we'd like for you to complete all
of those modules, even if you're not
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in a love life city. If
your church is a house of refuge,
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Church love life. You can complete
those modules and be a part of that
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meeting. It's just a meeting where
we, Vicky and I, meet with
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everyone who's doing sidewalks and encourage you
guys and, uh, answer any questions
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that you have as best we can. Talk about the stuff together, encourage
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each other and not just us encouraging
you, but you guys encouraging us,
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encouraging other folks who doing sidewalk ministry
in cities across the nation under love life.
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And so I just wanna, Um, just make you guys aware of
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that and if you need more information
about that, you can reach out to
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me, reach out to your city
director if you're in a love life city.
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If not, again you can reach
out to me. But Um,
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yeah, we appreciate you guys listening
and until next time, God bless you.
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Give me out live for love,
give me our life for gratitude.
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I know it will cost me my
life. Nothing's too precious. Since I
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met you, M M