Don’t Trust at Face Value

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.680 That was the big red flag. Yeah, I knew she was still living 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:11.080 with the boyfriend. I understood it, I get why, but but it 3 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:15.919 it's not the mark of someone with a life that has truly been changed. 4 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:21.559 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. And Me, 5 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:27.519 Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel 6 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:33.200 Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you 7 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:37.399 in pro life ministry and always were the focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned, 8 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:50.200 I felt show passish touch your heart. Use Me, Lord. Hey, 9 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:56.079 they're welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. I'm Vicky Kashi York. 10 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:59.520 Yes, you are, I am, I was yesterday, I will 11 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:03.079 be tomorrow. Well, my God's grace, you will right. And I'm 12 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.200 Daniel Parks and we are blessed to bring you this episode of the Gospel Center 13 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:11.280 Pro Life podcast. Yes, and I'm going to let Vicki kind of take 14 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.760 the reins on this episode because this is from an experience that she had. 15 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.079 This is not necessarily going to be like a case study. Maybe it is, 16 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:23.000 I guess, but at least sharing some experiences. But what's kind of 17 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:27.879 the focus of this episode? Right. The focus is that we have to 18 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:34.959 be very careful about accepting at face value when someone claims to be a believer 19 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:40.879 or claims that they have asked Jesus to be Lord of their life. Okay, 20 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:46.439 and I think that we are quick to believe that because we desire it 21 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.280 so much. YEA, or we want to maintain a relationship and we don't 22 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:55.760 want to challenge when someone, and the someone's in this case, or a 23 00:01:55.879 --> 00:02:01.159 mom, who has chosen life. But when they when we've shared the Gospel 24 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:06.480 with them, that they they said, Oh, I've already done that, 25 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.039 I am a believer, and yet clearly they're living a life that doesn't reflect 26 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:15.759 that. Right, and we want to believe them, but they're there's a 27 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:20.439 such a big danger in believing them, and that danger is they're going to 28 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:24.599 hell if it's if it's if they're believing that they are a believer, their 29 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:29.879 life certainly doesn't reflect it, and you can find out by asking some questions 30 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:36.439 that indeed they're not, but they believe they are. Yeah, then that 31 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:43.400 becomes kind of our fault, that that these people then are not saved. 32 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:50.680 We've fed into a false belief, a false security that they are saved. 33 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:54.680 Yeah, there's a great message actually from Ray Comfort. HMM, we kind 34 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.560 of plush right comfort. We love race UPFORT. Yeah, he's Great Guy. 35 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.599 Yeah, he's evangelism, some method which I think is a biblical evangelism 36 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:07.080 method. Is really powerful, it is and it really kind of, I 37 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:13.400 guess, keeps us out of the ditch of giving people a false sense of 38 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.280 security. I think if you follow his framework faithfully, you are absolutely corrected 39 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:22.719 to us. But he has a message called true and false conversion. I 40 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.080 listened to it years ago. It's been a while since I listen to it. 41 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:29.000 Maybe since we did this podcast episode, I should listen to it again 42 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:35.719 just to reamin myself. But recomfort in his awesome fashion and really engaging fashion, 43 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.960 as a funny guy. Just listening to him talking and preach, he's 44 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:42.639 funny, but he also gets right to the point. Yeah, talking about 45 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:46.400 true and false conversion and how we as believers have a vested interest in making 46 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.879 sure we don't create false converts. Yeah, right, and how do we 47 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.199 do that? We do that by sharing the Gospel and a biblical framework, 48 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:58.680 not just saying Jesus loves you, so ask him into your heart, but 49 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.560 really getting to into the issue of sin. We need to be talking about 50 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:05.960 men and women's guilt before God because of our sin. Sin Is what separates 51 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:11.039 us from God, Jesus and his death be own resurrection is the solution to 52 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.400 the problem of sin. But we need to talk about sin, and so 53 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:18.439 that's what Ray Comfort talks about in that true and false conversion message and it 54 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:23.759 kind of ties right into the subject that we're covering here. Yeah, yeah, 55 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:29.079 it is. It's such an important subject and what sparked this specifically was 56 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.199 about a week ago, maybe two weeks ago, a mom who chose life, 57 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:41.279 actually already had her baby contacted me and she she claimed to be a 58 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:46.319 believer. She had a great story and I wanted to write about that story. 59 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.800 That's that's how I ended up being connected with her. Okay, I 60 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:53.839 can't remember if I was the counselor that first stopped her at the abortion center 61 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:58.240 or not. I don't remember that part. But she already did have a 62 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:03.319 mentor. She was love's. The Mentor said the mentor has been in any 63 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:10.360 enormous help. They she's had a great baby shower. She she's had a 64 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:15.040 lot of she's even in a Bible study and and she feels truly that the 65 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:19.519 mentors a friend. So a lot of really great positives. But as we 66 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:27.120 were talking, I just I was hearing red flags, okay, and by 67 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.759 Red Flags I mean I was hearing things that made me really wonder, this 68 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.600 doesn't sound like a believer to me. Okay, she was claiming to be, 69 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:39.079 yeah, but there were so many things going on in her life and 70 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:46.040 even as she's describing her concerns and relationship with God, that made me wonder 71 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:53.399 is she and I really felt the Holy Spirit saying you need to clarify this, 72 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.920 you really do need to confront this. Yeah, because I felt if 73 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.480 she is a convert, she's a else convert, like I do not think 74 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:08.079 that she has a true saving relationship with God, based on what I was 75 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:13.720 hearing. Okay, so, so the the first thing I did, and 76 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.600 that what this I think, what the article I wrote and what I hope 77 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.560 we can convey, is how do you deal with this? Yeah, because 78 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:25.680 it will happen. It comes up. It comes up all the time that 79 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:29.560 people claim to be a believer. Yeah, I've already asked. One of 80 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:33.920 the products of American Christianity and kind of the easy believi ISM thing that just 81 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:40.600 say a prayer or just if you breathe American air, somehow you're just automatically 82 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.079 a Christian. If grandma was a Christian, you're automatically a Christian. Yeah, 83 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.000 and some of it come. It comes with that. Yeah, I 84 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:50.279 think the American Christianity mindset kind of kind of brings about this yeah, false 85 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:56.199 convert understanding. This this reality that people are false converse, I guess I'm 86 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.560 trying to say. Yeah, and you hear them say things like while I 87 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:00.560 go to church, I read the Bible, I'm in a Bible study and 88 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.279 it you just say, Oh, okay, well then you're a Christian. 89 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:10.120 Well, that's really not right. That would be workspace here salvation. Actually, 90 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:14.160 okay, you go to church, you do Bible Studies and that makes 91 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.680 you a Christian. That's works based salvation and that is not what the Bible 92 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:20.160 teachers. And that was the big red flag. Yeah, I knew she 93 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:27.560 was still living with the boyfriend. I understood it. I get why, 94 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:32.199 but but it it's not the mark of someone with a life that has truly 95 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:39.199 been changed by Jesus. So and I asked, where would you go? 96 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:41.800 That's the first thing. I think it. That's what Ray Comfort does, 97 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.120 I think the very first thing to help you understand if if this is a 98 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:47.800 true convert or not, ask them where they're going to go, right. 99 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:50.120 I. When they die, when they die, where you going to go? 100 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:56.480 Heaven or Hell? And she said Heaven, I hope. As soon 101 00:07:56.480 --> 00:08:00.160 as I hear heaven, I hope. Another red flag, right, we 102 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:05.439 should know it. where, if we are truly submitting a life to the 103 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:09.839 Lord, we should know where we're going. Yeah, and so she said 104 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:11.959 I hope, and I said, okay, and why do you? Why 105 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.360 do you think? But you think you are, you hope you are. 106 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:20.079 Why? And then her answer was very work based. Right, and and 107 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:28.439 instantly that's where I then go into the the Ray Comfort framework of first asking 108 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:37.159 questions that expose sin in your life. But to begin the discussion always, 109 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.399 always in the back of my mind, and I just as a cute to 110 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:45.519 all of you that that maybe haven't done this a lot. It's uncomfortable at 111 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.799 first, but to always pray for the Holy Spirit to open that door. 112 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:56.519 Yeah, always does open the door for the discussion and then start asking questions, 113 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.840 right, and that's the key to any like the countling sessions that we 114 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.960 do. One onone people at the abortion center, trying to convince them not 115 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.799 to go any kill their baby. Asking questions as a key. Yeah, 116 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.399 when you're sharing the Gospel, when you're trying to encourage another believer that struggling, 117 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:18.840 asking questions. Jesus asked more questions than he gave statements. Yeah, 118 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:20.120 I believe. Don't hold me to that a hundred percent. I was just 119 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.559 going to ask you a lot of gas. He did ask a lot of 120 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.000 questions and I we should maybe count that some day because it's great. I 121 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:31.960 do believe it is the an absolute critical part of being a good counselor. 122 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.200 Yeah, askout, but then, yes, I have to listen right to 123 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:41.039 the answers. So listen carefully to the answers, because they're that was would 124 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:45.000 cued me in her answers or what made me say and I don't think this 125 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:48.679 person is a believer. I know she's going to Bible study and she's actually 126 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:54.080 had discipleship, but it's not sounding like to me like she truly understands the 127 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:58.360 the Gospel. So the the next question that that I think is a very 128 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.559 telling question, is and and another counselor technique is reflect on what you've they've 129 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.840 said and say it again in a different way. So you know, I 130 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.440 said, so what you're telling me is you basically believe you're a good person. 131 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.519 Yeah, and the good out, or the good outwaghs the bad. 132 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.320 And she said yeah, that's what she was telling me. Well, then 133 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.600 there's your open door to start sharing. Have you ever told a lie? 134 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.240 Have you ever stolen? Have you ever lusted after a man that you're not 135 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.639 married to? A lot of people ask me how do I introduce the purity 136 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.600 message, which in pretty much every case of dealing with women going to an 137 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:37.200 abortion center, that needs to be introduced. That's the point at which I 138 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.480 introduce it, right when I say have you ever lust it after a man 139 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:41.960 you're not married to? And they always laugh, which she did, and 140 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:46.279 said, well, yeah, I'm I'm actually, you know, I'm praying. 141 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.840 I'm I had two babies, or maybe more with the boyfriend that I'm 142 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:58.919 not married to. And then going into the law and what God says about 143 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:03.480 sexual immorality. She knew, she knew, you know, and some of 144 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:09.639 them will say I don't know. And their models are their parents did not 145 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:16.039 model sexual purity outside of marriage. Most many of them, their parents were 146 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:22.360 not married or the father's absence. So so, anyway, then she admitted 147 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:28.039 no, she she knows it's wrong. Yeah, and but then we go 148 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:30.559 on, we go through the list. She, of course, has broken 149 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:35.919 every one of the commandments, as have most people. Yeah, and and 150 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.919 then Ray Comfort always says, and I always say it too, ask the 151 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:45.080 question, do you still think you're good? Right, still think you're a 152 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:50.320 good person after all of this? You're lying, thieving, lustful adulter at 153 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:56.360 heart, right, right. And she said No. And by then oftentimes 154 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:03.480 they're like, you can tell, scared, grieving. Yeah, they realize. 155 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:05.840 You know, I talked about the penalty. Then this is the penalty, 156 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.080 rights what the Bible says. This is your penalty. Does that concern 157 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:13.519 you? And they always say yes, yeah, at that point. So 158 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.960 then I go into Romans ten nine. I don't know if that's where ray 159 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.879 comfort goes, but that's the verse I would I always go to, because 160 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.759 in that verse, if you proclaim with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and 161 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:31.679 Jesus is Lord, if there was a single statement that I would say false 162 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:37.320 converts are not living. It's that right and really helping them to understand if 163 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.519 Jesus is Lord, would you be doing this? This, this, right, 164 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:46.879 so you've just admitted to me. I said to her that that you 165 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:54.120 believe Jesus is Lord, but, and you've also said, living in sexual 166 00:12:54.559 --> 00:13:01.360 relationship with some of you're not married to is against God's clear commands. Is 167 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.399 Jesus Lord of Your Life? Yeah, if you're doing that. And she 168 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:11.879 said no, right. And then when I said the verse Romans Ten nine 169 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:15.679 and said have you ever done this, she said no, she's never asked 170 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.919 Jesus to be Lord. She didn't even know it was like something she should 171 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:22.919 do. Yeah, wow, to which was surprising to me. Yeah, 172 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:28.519 given that she is being discipled in a church and all, why she missed 173 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:33.200 it? She must missed it. Yeah, it's easy for people to miss 174 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.720 playing truth. It's easy. Certainly not pointing the finger wagon, the finger 175 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.600 at the church, because I know for myself. I was in church for 176 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:48.799 a couple of years, actually about three years in church pretty consistently and had 177 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:54.600 the gospel proclaimed to me. I know that they talked about Romans ten nine 178 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.919 and I just missed it. I just I didn't missed had never really what 179 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.639 it was, as my mom set and everything to do with Christianity and religion 180 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:07.559 was focused on me. Not until I had a like true encounter with my 181 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:13.440 sin I might need for a savior, where someone actually loved me enough to 182 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.039 lay down the plain truth that I am not good, yeah, and that 183 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.799 I need to turn from US and to put my trust in Jesus. Not 184 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:24.000 until that time when it was a really a one on one conversation. Yeah, 185 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.360 that I really understood that I need to turn from sin. Yeah, 186 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:33.559 yeah, turned to Jesus. That's great illustration of your own experience and to 187 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.720 throw me under the bus a little. Yeah, I've shared the Gospel, 188 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.480 I don't know, probably hundreds, if not thousands of times now since I've 189 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.720 been out, you know, as a sidewalk counselor, and I always do, 190 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.279 always with every single mom that I interact with, if I have an 191 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:56.440 extended conversation many of them, early on in my sidewalk career, would then 192 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.480 go on to have a baby shower with caryl chandler. Her Ministry is Truth 193 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.720 and mercy, truth and mercy pro life ministries. Yeah, she's throws great 194 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.759 baby showers. She was who we used before love life and be and we're 195 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:13.399 still using her, but we now we've really hopefully given that over to the 196 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:18.120 Church as opposed to a ministry that does baby showers. Yeah, the Church 197 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.440 has taken that over with the mentors, but at the time Cheryl did them, 198 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:26.120 and Cheryl has a wonderful framework for her baby showers. She always, 199 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.120 always shares the Gospel. Yeah, well, I had always shared the Gospel 200 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.480 with these MOMS. Many of them had come to the Lord and I would 201 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:37.360 tell Cheryl this mom is a believer, she is come to the Lord, 202 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:43.519 and then we would go to Cheryl's baby shower, Cheryl would share the Gospel 203 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:50.240 and the mom would would clearly not be a believer. Yeah, and I 204 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.720 would feel so ashamed, but I shouldn't have. And so I think a 205 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:00.080 really valid point for us, because I did it properly. Yeah, but 206 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:08.720 sometimes it needs to be heard a few times before the truth truly transforms and 207 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:15.600 Vix and that's okay sometimes. So when we hear those Red Flags, I 208 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:19.320 think it's important that we do it again. Then, yeah, we'll share 209 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:23.080 it again, like in your experience. You'd been in church, yeah, 210 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:29.080 but you needed to hear it, maybe in a fresh way, with someone 211 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:34.120 that truly dug into that. The truth of breaking God's law us and your 212 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:37.399 own. Yes, and it's that same dynamic that we talk about often time, 213 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.799 whether it be sidewalk counseling or sharing the Gospel, whatever we're doing. 214 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.879 At the end of the day, all we can do is plant seeds and 215 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.399 water seeds. We can also till the ground a little bit, right, 216 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.279 yeah, take some of the weeds out. Yeah, using God's word, 217 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.360 but God has to give the increase. They have to have an encounter with 218 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:02.080 Jesus, the Holy Spirit has to move on their hearts to bring conviction and, 219 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:06.119 of course, help them to understand their need for a savior. Yeah, 220 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.440 and it does take a couple of times, right. We don't just 221 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.920 water a garden one time before we see the increase. Right, you got 222 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.559 a watered a couple times. You know, just put seeds in one time 223 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:17.960 and you have a garden for the rest of your life. You got to 224 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.880 keep putting seeds in. Yeah, and so that's what we're doing. We're 225 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:23.759 putting seeds in. That's why we need to be intentional about sharing the Gospel, 226 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.039 not ramming it down people's throat or, you know, anything like that. 227 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:32.119 But when we're doing counseling car side or one on one on the sidewalk 228 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.599 in front of the abortion center. Yeah, weaving the Gospel and we're getting 229 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:38.279 them connected to a mentor on the phone after they've chosen life. We've in 230 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.440 the Gospel and or whatever you we're ministering to them after they had the abortion. 231 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.039 We've in the Gospel and we're doing a baby shower, weaving the Gospel 232 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:49.920 into that. Yeah, Discipleship, weaving the Gospel, because if we keep 233 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:55.240 kind of weaving the Gospel, that thread of the Gospel, through everything that 234 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:59.319 we do, eventually, I believe the light bulb will come on it. 235 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.559 Right. Yeah, even in it in follow up conversations, usually the sideball 236 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:10.480 councilors will have that and asking, and now I'm much more intentionable, intentional 237 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:14.640 about that, asking them. So, how are you feeling? What has 238 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:18.799 changed? Do you feel like a new creation in Christ? What is changed 239 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:23.599 in your life? That that and and being more aware that that. Yet 240 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:29.319 it does need nurturing. It just it isn't a oneandone kind of thing at 241 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:34.119 at all. And in extending the invitation which you alluded to early on, 242 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:38.640 and invitation to submit your life to the Lord, being sure it's not just 243 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:42.920 a rote repetition. After you because that is speed after me. Yeah, 244 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:47.920 I think. I think that is a very easy way to get a false 245 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:52.119 convert. Yeah, make sure that it's coming from their heart and that they 246 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.039 are expressing fully to God. Yeah, you know, and I do think 247 00:18:56.079 --> 00:19:00.279 there is a sense, because there are some folks that are really against giving 248 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.440 invitation because it is the Holy Spirit that gives the increase. It's not some 249 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:07.920 invitations, not some words that you say. It's the Holy Spirit that regenerates 250 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:11.839 the heart. Right, but I do think that it's good to give an 251 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.880 invitation. I do think it's good to you can only share so much, 252 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.240 you can't go home forever and you need to wrap the conversation up at some 253 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:22.359 point. And of course you'll see ray comfort do this when he talks about 254 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:26.799 their need for a savior'll talk about sin. You know what God did so 255 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.160 that you wouldn't have to go to hell, and of course he explains what 256 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:36.400 God did Jesus and his death bearing resurrection, and then he'll ask so, 257 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:37.759 when do you think you're going to do that? Right, when you when 258 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.000 you think you're going to get right with God, when you think you're going 259 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:44.160 to turn from your sin and put your trust in Jesus. Yeah, yeah, 260 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.519 and so there is kind of like putting it on them. Hey, 261 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:49.160 when are you going to get right with God? Not just leaving it out 262 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:52.880 in the air. And you can do that by saying, would you like 263 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:57.000 to pray, to acknowledge your sin before God and pray and ask Jesus to 264 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:00.119 be your Lord Right here, right now? Would you like to do do 265 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.400 that? You're not trying to pressure, you're not trying to do a sales 266 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:06.279 pitch, you're not trying to put a notch on your belt, but you 267 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:08.559 want them to genuinely come to grips with their their sin and their need for 268 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:12.759 a savior. Yeah, and then, in front of another person, get 269 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:18.319 right with God, right right that accountability. It's that there's just something about 270 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:23.400 that. That confess with your mouth doesn't just happen between you and God privately. 271 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.759 I think it can, but also it's a public profession. If you 272 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:33.400 have a profession of faith in Jesus that you're not willing to give publicly, 273 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:37.680 then is it really a profession? You know, I think it is so 274 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.880 important. I think why? That's why Romans ten nine has professed with your 275 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.400 mouth. Proclaim with your mouth that Jesus is Lord. You're to say it 276 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:49.039 out loud, and I think that when a when women will sometimes tell me, 277 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:52.079 no, I'm not ready, and I'll say I understand, that's that's 278 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.279 fine. I would urge you not to wait too long. I would urge 279 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:00.160 you to go explore this more. You never know when God's going to call 280 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.599 you home. Yeah, I hope that you would do it before that day. 281 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:10.119 But but I think it is. I can tell when they they're almost 282 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:15.400 always if they've never done that. They're almost always scared and embarrassed. Yeah, 283 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.319 but and say, Oh, I've never done that. I I don't 284 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.079 know if I could do that. Let's say. It's all right, doesn't 285 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:25.119 have to be fancy. You're talking to your Heavenly Daddy. Yeah, just 286 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:29.559 talk to him like you would to your your dad. He is your dad. 287 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:34.920 He and he he loves you. And and usually I will start a 288 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:37.519 prayer and then I'll say, okay, your turn. I literally say that, 289 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.960 okay, it's your turnout. Yeah, and and then there will usually 290 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:45.759 be a couple of moments of silence because they just don't know what to say. 291 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:52.240 But when they start speaking it it you can tell if this is sincere 292 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.599 right and that their heart truly is at least at a beginning stage of really 293 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:03.720 understanding, yeah, what what the Gospel truly means for them personally. Yeah, 294 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.680 that's good. So never, never, trust. Was the name of 295 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:11.799 the working title of my of my article was don't trust women, kind of 296 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.079 a play on we don't trust women. Well, we do trust women. 297 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:21.359 I think we trust women more than the socalled pro choice people, because they 298 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:25.359 are never offering the choice of life. They're only offering the choice that the 299 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:27.359 woman thinks is the only choice they have, which is death. But never 300 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:32.160 trusted face value. Yeah, it's really the bottom line. Don't trust it 301 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:37.880 at face value if someone claims to be following the Lord when it's pretty clear 302 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.359 that no, they're not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good stuff. 303 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:44.920 Hope this was blessing to you, guys. Hope this taught you, 304 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.759 guys something. We always like to take from our experiences and help you, 305 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:53.720 guys to see how you can add some of these things your ministry and just 306 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:59.680 see people really truly come to the Lord. And we invite you, guys, 307 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:03.759 as we do often, to share this podcast with others. 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