Dealing With Abortion Advocates, Biblically

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:09.990 Lord, I am you. Welcome to the Gospel Center prayer life podcast. 3 00:00:10.109 --> 00:00:13.789 In this episode we're going to talk about how to deal with pro abortion advocates, 4 00:00:14.029 --> 00:00:16.829 especially at the abortion centers, and, as always, will look at 5 00:00:16.870 --> 00:00:20.269 this from a biblical as well as a practical perspectives. To stay tuned. 6 00:00:23.699 --> 00:00:36.090 I felt show Passi touch your use. Welcome to the Gospel Center prayer life 7 00:00:36.170 --> 00:00:40.729 podcast. We're going to come cover a subject today that we hope will be 8 00:00:40.810 --> 00:00:45.289 helpful and, as often times, we're going to come from the perspective that 9 00:00:45.450 --> 00:00:49.049 we are involved in on a regular basis, which is sidewalk counseling and being 10 00:00:49.090 --> 00:00:52.840 out in front of abortion centers, and this is a common issue that people 11 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:56.320 are going to face. You could face this in other contexts, face this 12 00:00:56.439 --> 00:01:00.799 on social media, and it's basically dealing with people who oppose you, and 13 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.870 in our context it's pro abortion advocates right and how to handle that. You 14 00:01:03.989 --> 00:01:08.510 know, on the sidewalk we have those folks that come that they call themselves 15 00:01:08.549 --> 00:01:12.950 clinic defenders and they come out to defend a woman's right to choose, and 16 00:01:14.030 --> 00:01:17.989 I don't like to give them a whole lot of airtime. But I did 17 00:01:18.109 --> 00:01:21.780 think it was important for us to talk about this dynamic because again, it's 18 00:01:21.819 --> 00:01:25.700 a dynamic that people deal with a sidewalk counselors in front of abortion centers to 19 00:01:25.739 --> 00:01:27.579 dynamic we deal with on social media too, is're trying to share the 20 00:01:27.620 --> 00:01:30.459 truth about what abortion is. And Yeah, you know, we get our 21 00:01:30.579 --> 00:01:36.090 facebook page on cities for Life Charlotte rolled by these pro abortion people all the 22 00:01:36.170 --> 00:01:38.689 time, even our personal pages some yeah, and what kind of started this 23 00:01:38.849 --> 00:01:44.730 off is that some of the probortion people have actually gotten on the reviews in 24 00:01:44.810 --> 00:01:49.879 this podcast and they've actually kind of rolled that and put some some pretty nasty 25 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.200 things out there. And so I would encourage you guys who are listening to 26 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:57.640 please, if you like this podcast, go on Apple, itunes and I'm 27 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:00.829 not sure if the other podcast services let you do this, let you leave 28 00:02:00.870 --> 00:02:06.150 reviews, but apple does and those reviews do matter. At one time we 29 00:02:06.230 --> 00:02:09.229 had five stars and some good reviews. Now we got four stars because these 30 00:02:09.270 --> 00:02:14.030 pro abortion people have gone on there. Not a big deal tonight, but 31 00:02:14.069 --> 00:02:15.580 I want to encourage you guys, if you like this podcast, to go 32 00:02:15.819 --> 00:02:21.300 on and leave a comment. Let us know how you you know what you 33 00:02:21.419 --> 00:02:25.020 like about this. If you have suggestions that we often encourage you guys to 34 00:02:25.060 --> 00:02:28.979 do, certainly can reach out to me. We'd love to cover some subjects 35 00:02:28.979 --> 00:02:34.530 that maybe you guys have not heard US cover and give you our unique perspective 36 00:02:34.650 --> 00:02:38.689 and that sort of thing. But yeah, so this was spurred on by 37 00:02:38.610 --> 00:02:44.520 the fact that these probortion people have trold our podcast reviews and even our facebook 38 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.560 pages and we thought that let's just springboard off of that. Yeah, we're. 39 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.360 I mean it's not like we haven't dealt with this stuff before. So 40 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.599 it's not it's not like we're taking personal offense. We understand these people have 41 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:59.229 issues, we understand these people need the Lord, but we thought it would 42 00:02:59.229 --> 00:03:01.830 be good at opportunity just to springboard off of this and share some wisdom with 43 00:03:01.949 --> 00:03:05.629 you guys right from the word and from marks. Brace it. Yeah, 44 00:03:05.669 --> 00:03:07.509 face it absolutely the sidewalk. If you're any kind in any kind of pro 45 00:03:07.629 --> 00:03:10.909 life at endeavor, even if it's just posting things on facebook as a pro 46 00:03:12.030 --> 00:03:15.060 life presence, you are going to face opposition. Yeah, and and I 47 00:03:15.180 --> 00:03:19.419 think that there are ways that we can deal effectively with them and ways that 48 00:03:19.460 --> 00:03:23.979 are maybe not as effective and maybe even damage chain to us as people in 49 00:03:24.020 --> 00:03:29.289 the pro life movement. So one of the things I thought of when when 50 00:03:29.330 --> 00:03:35.810 we first started talking about this subject was the famous quote know thy enemy, 51 00:03:36.569 --> 00:03:39.930 and I and I looked up. I know I actually didn't know who said 52 00:03:39.930 --> 00:03:45.240 that, but everybody knows that quote. Well, so it's the Chinese general 53 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.400 son Sue, I'm not sure I'm pronouncing his last name right, T SEU. 54 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.520 And he said know thy enemy and know THY and know yourself. In 55 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:57.669 a hundred battles you will never be defeated when you're ignorant of the enemy, 56 00:03:58.110 --> 00:04:00.870 but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant 57 00:04:00.949 --> 00:04:04.830 both of your enemy and of yourself, you are sure to be defeated in 58 00:04:04.949 --> 00:04:11.340 every battle. So now I know he's not our authority. Yeah, I 59 00:04:11.419 --> 00:04:17.019 mean leave it to Vicky to quote some Calmy to the help us understand the 60 00:04:17.060 --> 00:04:21.819 biblical truth. But the reality is even a calm me like that right, 61 00:04:24.410 --> 00:04:28.370 even a broken clock is right twice a day, right, right. So 62 00:04:28.889 --> 00:04:32.649 there is a dynamic there that he's kind of spells out that we see in 63 00:04:32.689 --> 00:04:35.610 the scriptures. Yeah, let's look at Paul. That goes the same sentiment 64 00:04:35.769 --> 00:04:41.560 and Second Corinthians to eleven, Second Corinthians to eleven, Corinthians to eleven. 65 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.120 Be turned there in my mind. And while you're turning there, I mean 66 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:47.439 even you may want to just kind of briefly discuss well, are they really 67 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:51.560 are enemy? Enemies? Pretty harsh word. Yeah, and and yet so 68 00:04:53.069 --> 00:04:57.829 there's definitely two sides out there. At every sidewalk off every abortion center, 69 00:04:57.870 --> 00:05:00.550 there's usually two sides. There's the socalled pro choice people, which we're going 70 00:05:00.550 --> 00:05:04.029 to talk about that that that is not an honest expression of who they are, 71 00:05:04.430 --> 00:05:09.180 and then there's the the people who are in supportive of the sanctity of 72 00:05:09.220 --> 00:05:13.100 life. Yeah, now, I wouldn't say that at every abortion clinic that 73 00:05:13.220 --> 00:05:16.100 there is a pro abortion presence, but at many of there are, and 74 00:05:16.339 --> 00:05:19.540 can looking on social media and friends that are reaching out at abortion centers. 75 00:05:19.579 --> 00:05:25.689 There's they have to deal with this. Some are more wicked than others, 76 00:05:25.970 --> 00:05:30.529 some are more vocal, their vocal and just venomous than others. Yeah, 77 00:05:30.730 --> 00:05:38.399 but they are our enemies in the sense that they're opposing us, they're opposing 78 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:44.439 the things that got us, called us to but there's this different dynamics when 79 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.519 use the word enemy. In a worldly sense we're thinking this is somebody that 80 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:53.470 we marginalizes, is somebody that we physically do something to. This in a 81 00:05:53.509 --> 00:05:58.389 Christian sense, your enemy is somebody that opposes you, but you don't have 82 00:05:58.509 --> 00:06:01.110 a right in a Christian sense to do anything physical to them. You don't 83 00:06:01.149 --> 00:06:04.420 have a right in a Christian sense. So just marginalize them. Yeah, 84 00:06:04.459 --> 00:06:09.019 we're sex it says love. Yeah, I love our enemies. We're supposed 85 00:06:09.060 --> 00:06:11.819 to do good, yeah, to those who do evil to us. Right, 86 00:06:12.339 --> 00:06:14.899 it's what we're supposed to do as Christians. We don't we don't get 87 00:06:15.060 --> 00:06:18.089 to justify. Certainly we can be angry, but we don't get to justify 88 00:06:18.089 --> 00:06:21.290 any kind of violence or thoughts of violence. We don't want kneel towards them. 89 00:06:21.569 --> 00:06:25.329 I mean, ultimately, if we love them, and we should, 90 00:06:25.370 --> 00:06:29.329 we should love our enemies. Right to love someone is to desire the highest 91 00:06:29.529 --> 00:06:31.850 good. And so when I see these pro abortion people out there, and 92 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:35.680 I certainly do not like their presence, and then they cause issues and whatever, 93 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:40.279 and they're nasty and their vile and all of that, but I love 94 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.000 them, and that doesn't mean I speak flowery to them all the time, 95 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:46.589 but I want the highest good for them. What is that? Well, 96 00:06:46.709 --> 00:06:50.389 that's that's coming to know the Lord, as says there, as they're safe 97 00:06:50.550 --> 00:06:54.310 salvation. That's right. I want them to know God. Yeah, and 98 00:06:54.350 --> 00:06:57.629 I want them to be eternally saved. That's yeah, that's what I desire 99 00:06:57.670 --> 00:07:00.350 for them now, because I want that, I'm going to speak the truth 100 00:07:00.430 --> 00:07:02.540 to them. So I'm not going to compromise the truth of the Gospel. 101 00:07:02.740 --> 00:07:05.620 That's the only way they're going to get saved. Yeah, and I'm not 102 00:07:05.740 --> 00:07:10.459 going to just, you know, kind of gloss over some of the ridiculous 103 00:07:10.500 --> 00:07:12.899 things that they say. It. Right, we've got to confront evil, 104 00:07:13.220 --> 00:07:15.290 right, and all of that. But let's go to this set and Corinthians, 105 00:07:15.370 --> 00:07:20.569 to in verse eleven, and it says less Satan should take advance image 106 00:07:20.569 --> 00:07:25.490 of us, for we are not ignorant of his devices, right. Yeah, 107 00:07:25.569 --> 00:07:29.889 and there's a context there, and Paul is talking about you. We 108 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.720 must know the truth, we must walk in the truth, we must be 109 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:36.959 aware of the enemy, like that that common guy you quoted. Right, 110 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:41.240 you've got to be aware of your enemies, son. Yeah, and and 111 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.149 my version says so that we would not be outwitted, yeah, by Satan, 112 00:07:45.430 --> 00:07:48.149 so you know, and and their goal is certainly to outwit us, 113 00:07:48.269 --> 00:07:51.589 to beat us at our game out there in a sense, and make sure 114 00:07:51.589 --> 00:07:57.029 that we don't score. Yeah, of course. And in their eyes it's 115 00:07:57.149 --> 00:08:01.259 the the saving of a baby that if the baby is saved, they've lost. 116 00:08:01.540 --> 00:08:03.540 We won. Yeah, and we know that's kind of ridiculous, of 117 00:08:03.620 --> 00:08:07.420 course, utterly rediculous. You know, it goes on in here, in 118 00:08:07.459 --> 00:08:11.139 the same book, Second Anthians to Art, Second Carinthians, chapter four actually, 119 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:13.889 which will probably cover this right. We do a little bit around further, 120 00:08:13.930 --> 00:08:18.089 but I want to just mention it now, okay. And it's whose 121 00:08:18.170 --> 00:08:22.769 minds this is talking about? People who don't know the Lord and says whose 122 00:08:22.850 --> 00:08:26.319 minds the God of this age is blinded, who do not believe lest the 123 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:31.240 light of the glory or The Gospel of the glory of Christ, who is 124 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.799 the image of God, should shine on them. Right their hearts and their 125 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:39.840 minds are darkened, they are lost. Now, let us not forget that 126 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:45.149 we were not born saved. Let us not forget that we too were at 127 00:08:45.190 --> 00:08:48.110 one time blinded by the God of this world, by the devil, and 128 00:08:48.269 --> 00:08:52.990 we were doing the devil's bidding. Maybe we weren't standing in front of an 129 00:08:52.990 --> 00:08:56.899 abortion clinic supporting abortion, but we were doing other wicked things, right, 130 00:08:58.419 --> 00:09:01.620 even you yourself being in having an abortion right, that's that's sin. You 131 00:09:01.700 --> 00:09:05.259 were blinded by the God of this age. And so we can't forget where 132 00:09:05.299 --> 00:09:09.809 we came from. If we started just marginalize these people and not deal with 133 00:09:09.850 --> 00:09:13.690 them as human beings. Now again, I don't mean that we that we 134 00:09:13.049 --> 00:09:18.529 don't marginalize their arguments. Their arguments are ridiculous. They're based in all kinds 135 00:09:18.570 --> 00:09:22.049 of just political rhetoric but other and they're evil and Godless, and so we 136 00:09:22.129 --> 00:09:26.720 don't. We validate their argument, right, but we can't just marginalize them 137 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:30.720 as human beings and say that they don't matter to the Lord. They do 138 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:33.320 matter to God. So hopefully we'll give you guys some principles that will help 139 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:39.309 you and give you, guys, just some experience from from our perspective that 140 00:09:39.389 --> 00:09:41.309 will help you if you're dealing with these people at the right portion center where 141 00:09:41.309 --> 00:09:45.509 you minister. Yeah, how much to do with them and specifically how to 142 00:09:45.629 --> 00:09:48.990 deal with them based on on our experiences. So you already kind of touched 143 00:09:50.070 --> 00:09:54.139 on it. As I was thinking through this kind of preparing an outline of 144 00:09:54.259 --> 00:09:58.620 it. There were at six major areas that presented themselves as as what I 145 00:09:58.740 --> 00:10:05.620 thought we're good areas to talk about and how we deal with this group. 146 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:09.730 But I think the first thing is I tend to be nice and call them 147 00:10:11.009 --> 00:10:15.490 pro choice in quotation are quotations, because that's what they want. But we 148 00:10:15.610 --> 00:10:18.850 specifically are not going to do that in it because, and why? Don't 149 00:10:18.850 --> 00:10:20.730 you explain? Why? Why are we not going to? You know the 150 00:10:20.850 --> 00:10:24.799 list? I could I could be wrong and I'm sure there's probably some prolifers 151 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.679 out there, some abolitionist folks out there, some people who would disagree with 152 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.720 me, and please disagree with me. That's fine. To correct me, 153 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:33.600 send me an email while I'm wrong. Yeah, but I don't like to 154 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:39.870 give the devil and his minions an inch. I mean when we talk about 155 00:10:39.870 --> 00:10:43.070 being pro choice, right, and when these folks to call themselves pro choice, 156 00:10:43.830 --> 00:10:48.029 what are we implying there? The word choice implies the availability of more 157 00:10:48.070 --> 00:10:54.860 than one option. Correct, like at it's very basic core word meaning. 158 00:10:54.899 --> 00:11:00.100 Choice implies the availability of more than one actually are these people? Is the 159 00:11:00.139 --> 00:11:03.409 abortion clinic that's, you know, supposed to be a woman's choice healthcare facility. 160 00:11:03.450 --> 00:11:07.929 There even some of these abortion clinics that call themselves a woman's choice right. 161 00:11:07.129 --> 00:11:13.129 Are they offering any other options besides abortion? Now, and in fact 162 00:11:13.129 --> 00:11:16.409 they're. They're hindering our ability to offer the choice for life to the very 163 00:11:16.490 --> 00:11:22.879 best of their ability and they they often even cheer when when they are successful 164 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:28.039 in keeping someone from stopping and taking our information or hearing our voices. So 165 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.990 clearly they there one choice. That choice is the death of the all right, 166 00:11:31.990 --> 00:11:35.149 yeah, so if you only have one choice, then you actually don't 167 00:11:35.190 --> 00:11:39.190 have choice. Right, right, and so that's why I will call them 168 00:11:39.389 --> 00:11:41.350 not pro choice but pro abortion. Now again, I'm sure there's some folks, 169 00:11:41.870 --> 00:11:45.029 because we do want to meet people where they are. We don't want 170 00:11:45.029 --> 00:11:48.980 to just come out immediate just be offensive, but understand and I get it. 171 00:11:48.100 --> 00:11:52.179 There's a context. If you're minister in two people, pro choice minded 172 00:11:52.259 --> 00:11:54.980 people on a college campus, you're going to meet them where they're at. 173 00:11:54.019 --> 00:11:58.379 You're going to call them pro choice, that's what they call themselves whatever. 174 00:11:58.460 --> 00:12:01.139 But in the context were ministering in, we just don't have a lot of 175 00:12:01.220 --> 00:12:03.610 time to beat around the bus and I want them to understand we know where 176 00:12:03.649 --> 00:12:07.330 they stand. Yeah, you know, they call us pro berth ors. 177 00:12:07.490 --> 00:12:11.009 For me to call them pro abortion people is not just for me to just 178 00:12:11.129 --> 00:12:15.759 get back at them. Yeah, it's just the reality and it's my experience 179 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.960 and it's many people's experience that are standing out there. There's not. They're 180 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.679 not offering other choice. Right. So it's probortion. So they're but so 181 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.840 that's what we're going to refer to them as a pro abortion proponents or the 182 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.830 pro abortion opposition or something along those lines, and that's why I wanted to 183 00:12:31.909 --> 00:12:35.590 make that clear. That's why we're it's a conscious choice. Yeah, in 184 00:12:35.950 --> 00:12:39.429 this podcast at least, referred to them that way. But the first thing, 185 00:12:39.509 --> 00:12:43.470 which you already kind of touched on, was know thy enemy. So 186 00:12:43.710 --> 00:12:48.179 in knowing thy Nimy, understanding the mindset, yeah, of the opposition. 187 00:12:48.379 --> 00:12:52.460 That's the critical kind of first step. I just had a group of three 188 00:12:52.580 --> 00:12:56.860 new volunteers that I was training this past Monday and one of them in particular 189 00:12:58.059 --> 00:13:01.049 just kept shaking his head, he could not take his eyes off of them, 190 00:13:01.610 --> 00:13:05.210 saying what, there's a wicked why don't they understand? And he was, 191 00:13:05.570 --> 00:13:07.330 he was he wasn't even listening to me. As I'm trying to train 192 00:13:07.409 --> 00:13:13.519 him what to do. That is very positive and uplifting and helps these women, 193 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.399 because he was so focused on why. Why? Why are they? 194 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.039 Are they this way? So I thought it's good to address that. First 195 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:22.840 of all. Why are they this? Yeah, what's going on in their 196 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:30.110 mind? That is well, I think the Bible addresses this issue and our 197 00:13:30.190 --> 00:13:35.269 experience addresses this issue. Again, we cannot forget who we were at one 198 00:13:35.389 --> 00:13:39.190 point, right, and we can't forget what God brought us from. Yeah, 199 00:13:39.269 --> 00:13:41.139 we were dead. This is biblical, right, right, making this 200 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:45.940 up. The Bible tells us for that. We are dead in our trespasses 201 00:13:45.980 --> 00:13:50.500 and sins. It tells us, and saying Corinthians that chapter four MM and 202 00:13:50.659 --> 00:13:54.809 verse four, that the God of this age has blinded their eyes. Those 203 00:13:56.009 --> 00:14:00.009 don't know the Lord. Their eyes are blinded. Yeah, they are blind. 204 00:14:00.690 --> 00:14:05.330 So we now there's a balance here. So I don't mean to convey 205 00:14:05.409 --> 00:14:09.210 that these people aren't responsible for their actions. I don't mean that, but 206 00:14:09.330 --> 00:14:13.440 the best analogy I can think of is you think about a person that's blind. 207 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.559 You're not angry with them because they can't see. It's like, why 208 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:18.759 don't you open your ass? Can't you see. Look what I'm trying to 209 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:20.840 show you. I'm trying to show you a picture. Why can't you look 210 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.950 at this? Right? They simply cannot. They're not equipped to see, 211 00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:30.710 they cannot understand, they cannot perceive the truth. Now what has to happen 212 00:14:31.389 --> 00:14:33.269 is God has to open their hearts, God has to open their eyes. 213 00:14:33.750 --> 00:14:37.509 And how does he do that? Will primarily he does that through his word, 214 00:14:39.100 --> 00:14:41.980 right, and that's why we can't neglect sharing his word, and I'm 215 00:14:41.980 --> 00:14:45.179 sure we'll get in to some of this as we progress in this podcast. 216 00:14:45.340 --> 00:14:48.100 Yeah, but God's word. There's a temptation in us to argue from a 217 00:14:48.740 --> 00:14:52.450 scientific perspective of not saying we shouldn't, we should bring science into the equation. 218 00:14:52.570 --> 00:14:56.409 Science is just knowledge and God has given US knowledge, right, you 219 00:14:56.529 --> 00:14:58.090 know. So we can bring that into the equation, and I do. 220 00:14:58.370 --> 00:15:01.889 But we cannot neglect the word of God, even if they reject the word 221 00:15:01.929 --> 00:15:05.409 of God, which many of them did today as I was speaking on the 222 00:15:05.450 --> 00:15:09.039 microphone, as you were speaking some too. They said, what if we 223 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.960 don't believe in the Bible? I don't care what you believe. This is 224 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:15.919 true and I'm going to share it with you, right and that truth has 225 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.679 power, whether you believe in it or not. But from a worldly past 226 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:26.830 perspective, they do make some pretty big sacrifice as they're out there, usually 227 00:15:26.870 --> 00:15:28.750 not as long as us, but in nasty weather, they're out there pretty 228 00:15:28.789 --> 00:15:33.470 consistently. Well, why, no one makes a sacrifice and less they believe 229 00:15:33.750 --> 00:15:39.259 that it's worthwhile. So they are defending what they believe is precious. Yeah, 230 00:15:39.299 --> 00:15:43.820 exact same way that we are defending what we believe is precious. So 231 00:15:43.220 --> 00:15:48.340 so, bottom line, they they believe largely, not not all of them, 232 00:15:48.500 --> 00:15:52.169 but but I would say probably most of them at least, the way 233 00:15:52.250 --> 00:15:56.370 that they rationalize being out there. They believe that this is not a human 234 00:15:56.450 --> 00:16:00.529 being, at least not a human being, a full human being worthy of 235 00:16:00.690 --> 00:16:03.129 rights. Yeah, and so the mother, the mother's needs and rights, 236 00:16:03.289 --> 00:16:10.200 trumps that unborn child. Bodily autonomy is is kind of like the the mantra 237 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:15.200 right, the autonomy is the chief thought and motivation, the right right. 238 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:17.519 And if you listen to the things that they say, in the language that 239 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:19.549 they use and some of even some of the exchanges on facebook, yeah, 240 00:16:19.590 --> 00:16:23.070 it's bodily autonomy. And so what we have to understand, just like what 241 00:16:23.190 --> 00:16:26.870 you said when we're when we're confronted with these people who were saying and doing 242 00:16:26.950 --> 00:16:30.549 some very evil things. Right, and they are. Some are more vile 243 00:16:30.629 --> 00:16:36.500 than others, and even at our abortion clinic there's some that are just completely 244 00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:40.100 vile and there's some there kind of chill. Yeah, yeah, but what 245 00:16:40.259 --> 00:16:44.419 we have to understand is they, from their perspective, are trying to protect 246 00:16:44.659 --> 00:16:48.330 what's precious to them. Now it's twisted, it's perverted because, if we 247 00:16:48.450 --> 00:16:51.049 boil it down, what are they trying to protect? Oh, a woman's 248 00:16:51.049 --> 00:16:52.490 right to murder her child. Right, that's what they're trying to pro woman 249 00:16:52.570 --> 00:16:56.529 try to choose what to choose abortion, the dismembering, to choose to murder 250 00:16:56.610 --> 00:17:00.600 her child. So it's twist yes, it's perverted, it's tainted with the 251 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.799 thinking of this world. It's saturating in the thinking of this world. Right, 252 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:07.799 but we have to understand to them they're trying to protect what's precious to 253 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:12.279 them and in kind of the same way, so are we. Now our 254 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:17.950 primary motivation is the Lord. We love him, we want to bring his 255 00:17:18.109 --> 00:17:21.589 Gospel. So that's our primary motivation. So it's not it. It's not 256 00:17:21.710 --> 00:17:25.190 so much what's precious to us. Yes, what's precious to God and their 257 00:17:25.190 --> 00:17:27.549 foots, precious time, exactly. So we're there in it kind of a 258 00:17:27.630 --> 00:17:33.619 big picture way, right. We're there to protect what's precious to the Lord, 259 00:17:33.740 --> 00:17:37.259 which is the value of human life. Right, we're we're speaking the 260 00:17:37.339 --> 00:17:41.579 things that we're speaking or taking the stance that we're taking, because we believe 261 00:17:41.660 --> 00:17:45.049 every human life has value. Now, of course he's pro abortion. People 262 00:17:45.130 --> 00:17:48.009 they'll accuse us of not caring about children after they're born. If you've listened 263 00:17:48.009 --> 00:17:51.809 to this podcast or any amount of time, if you've followed cities for life, 264 00:17:51.930 --> 00:17:55.089 you know that ain't true. Right. I mean we go all, 265 00:17:55.490 --> 00:17:57.720 you know, over over the top sometimes, I think, in the ways 266 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:00.359 that we help and I don't think it's over the top, but you get 267 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.000 what I'm saying. We do a lot to go out of our way to 268 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.160 help these MOMS and these babies and these families, and we've seen God do 269 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.039 so many things. You guys have heard some of the testimonies, Ebony's testimony, 270 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.990 which is really powerful, and God still still doing something personals in her 271 00:18:15.029 --> 00:18:18.269 life. Yeah, hopefully we'll have her back on its point, but she's 272 00:18:18.349 --> 00:18:22.309 just one among many, many, many other stories. So it's a lie 273 00:18:22.710 --> 00:18:26.630 to believe that we don't care about these women and these babies after they're born. 274 00:18:26.630 --> 00:18:30.579 Rabbit tread a little bit on that. We're there to protect what is 275 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:36.579 precious. They're there to protect what's precious. Yeah, to them. Yeah, 276 00:18:36.579 --> 00:18:40.500 now again it's perverted, but we have to understand that. That's right, 277 00:18:40.700 --> 00:18:44.690 that's right. They would. They certainly don't consider themselves evil. They 278 00:18:45.529 --> 00:18:48.930 they believe that what they're doing is right, at least at some level. 279 00:18:49.009 --> 00:18:52.970 Yeah, or they it's a noble thing in their eyes. Right, you 280 00:18:52.009 --> 00:18:56.559 know, they put it on facebook and you know, look where I was 281 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:00.599 at today. I was defending the woman's right and all that. Yeah, 282 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.759 and so, yeah, that's the perspective they're coming from. We have to 283 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.200 understand that and in a certain sense you have to meet people where they are 284 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.630 right and come with that understanding. Right, that's that's the first thing, 285 00:19:10.750 --> 00:19:15.349 right, right, who has a Rushilingba? That says you can to expect 286 00:19:15.430 --> 00:19:18.390 a leopard not to wear its spots. You know you're gonna. And and 287 00:19:18.589 --> 00:19:25.420 so if you understand they this is what they are, then I think it 288 00:19:25.539 --> 00:19:29.019 does help you to be there with them each day and not be filled with 289 00:19:29.059 --> 00:19:32.740 anger at this is wait, they are blinded. They don't know the Lord, 290 00:19:33.140 --> 00:19:37.059 and people who don't know the Lord are going to act like people who 291 00:19:37.059 --> 00:19:40.250 don't know the Lord. It's par for the course. Yeah, so that 292 00:19:40.410 --> 00:19:44.450 leads kind of then to the the second big point, which is what is 293 00:19:44.730 --> 00:19:48.410 their motivation? And linked with that, are they all the same, like 294 00:19:48.490 --> 00:19:52.799 we're kind of talking about them as though they're there one monolithic group, but 295 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:56.839 that's really not the case. No, and it with any group, with 296 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.720 any you know, like all of us who are standing out there on the 297 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.559 sidewalk, we're not obviously all the same. Right now, those who are 298 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:06.559 Christians, and there are those who are standing out there who claimed me her 299 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:10.710 life, who aren't Christians right and they cause problems. They have their different 300 00:20:10.750 --> 00:20:14.670 motivations. But those who are believers, even within us, who love Jesus, 301 00:20:15.269 --> 00:20:18.109 God called us out there for different reasons. Some people are called out 302 00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:22.819 there out of kind of their past, having had an abortion. Some people 303 00:20:22.859 --> 00:20:26.980 are called out there and God uses their past, in my situation, being 304 00:20:26.019 --> 00:20:30.500 a father at a young age, and God use that a spring board and 305 00:20:30.619 --> 00:20:33.019 to call me out there through their different motivations that we come with, and 306 00:20:33.299 --> 00:20:37.930 of course we understand that. Ultimately, though, our motivation, chief motivation, 307 00:20:38.089 --> 00:20:41.930 has to be a love for God and then out of that flows our 308 00:20:41.210 --> 00:20:44.809 love for our neighbor. Right. Right, babies, right. And what 309 00:20:45.009 --> 00:20:48.930 is their motivation, if you were to name, like their chief motivation as 310 00:20:48.210 --> 00:20:51.960 and, like I said, we know they're different, but they do probably 311 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.240 share a fairly similar motivation. Yeah, I mean, I would say again 312 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.319 it's that bodily autonomy thing, right, that we talked about first. That's 313 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:04.470 that's a motivation. I think some of it's probably a chief motivation. Among 314 00:21:04.589 --> 00:21:08.190 that it's like self validation. Yeah, and some of these, if you 315 00:21:08.309 --> 00:21:11.309 talk to him for any amount of time, you'll find that they have abortion 316 00:21:11.309 --> 00:21:15.349 in their past. Right, they themselves have had abortions. Yeah, they're 317 00:21:15.390 --> 00:21:19.019 captivated by that sin and misery loves company, Right, and they want to 318 00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:22.619 justify themselves. The more people that do if you're doing something that you know 319 00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:26.099 is wrong, you're doing something evil, the more people that are doing that, 320 00:21:26.460 --> 00:21:29.779 the more you can justify. You think about it. Yeah, I 321 00:21:29.980 --> 00:21:33.769 think that's absolutely doing. It absolutely true. I agree with that. And 322 00:21:33.329 --> 00:21:37.089 and and in terms of the different kinds of groups out there, I've talked 323 00:21:37.170 --> 00:21:41.049 with many of them over the years. And you know, there are some 324 00:21:41.609 --> 00:21:45.410 that say, well, I don't believe abortion is a good thing. Yeah, 325 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:51.359 and I myself would never have one, but I can't make that decision 326 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:55.880 for other people, so I'm supporting someone else's right to choose abortion. Yeah, 327 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:02.470 some of them will say abortion is is good in the first trimester because 328 00:22:02.509 --> 00:22:06.589 they again, they don't think that unborn child as as a human being, 329 00:22:06.670 --> 00:22:10.230 yeah, or as a baby or whatever. And then there's some that will 330 00:22:10.230 --> 00:22:12.710 support it all the way through to the moment of birth, some beyond, 331 00:22:15.980 --> 00:22:18.460 you know, for any reason. So I mean to me, and we 332 00:22:18.619 --> 00:22:22.619 did a podcast me a long time ago, last year, so time about 333 00:22:22.700 --> 00:22:26.700 this, this subject, about bodily autonomy, and that's right thing right, 334 00:22:26.940 --> 00:22:30.609 but to me the only consistent way, the only consistent argument you can have 335 00:22:30.730 --> 00:22:34.569 if you're talking bodily autonomy is you have to believe that abortion is okay up 336 00:22:34.609 --> 00:22:38.809 to birth. There's no right if you're talking bodily autonomy. And many of 337 00:22:38.849 --> 00:22:42.569 them will say, you know, I'll give to you that baby in the 338 00:22:42.609 --> 00:22:45.400 womb, that a feed us is alive. Right, but it's rights don't 339 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.319 trump the life of the mother. And that's the bodily autonomy argument kind of 340 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.440 bowled down very simplistically. Yeah, it will. If that's the case, 341 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.359 then if it's rights never trump the rights of the mother, then she can 342 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:57.240 kill it up until birth, right, and why not beyond birth? Honestly, 343 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:00.349 if you take that, well, I guess bodily autonomy it once it's 344 00:23:00.470 --> 00:23:04.670 exited her body. Than that are going. You've got folks in this vein, 345 00:23:04.869 --> 00:23:10.390 these pro abortion folks, who are, you know, population control sort 346 00:23:10.430 --> 00:23:12.579 of people, and I don't say that as some conspiracy thing. I've literally 347 00:23:12.619 --> 00:23:17.980 had some of the pro abortion people tell me that we need abortion because we've 348 00:23:18.019 --> 00:23:22.299 got to control the population and the natural outflow of that is. Well, 349 00:23:22.980 --> 00:23:26.779 then, if a child is born that has fetal abnormalities, that has issues, 350 00:23:26.980 --> 00:23:30.009 has things that are going on, then why, as we as a 351 00:23:30.130 --> 00:23:33.089 society, why should we put resources into that person? We can just go 352 00:23:33.170 --> 00:23:36.730 ahead and snuff their life out before they're you know, they're a year old 353 00:23:36.809 --> 00:23:40.289 or whatever. I think there are pro abortion people, without kind of getting 354 00:23:40.289 --> 00:23:42.880 sidetrack with that, do make those argument right now, I don't believe that 355 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:47.799 the majority of these people think that way. Right you know, reality is 356 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:49.640 that many of them, once you walk through their arguments and things they say 357 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:53.279 they're not really thinking a whole lot anyway, because a lot of the motivation, 358 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:59.630 which is why we see an increase in pro abortion presence at abortion clinics 359 00:23:59.670 --> 00:24:03.470 during election years, a lot of the motivation is political motivation. Correct. 360 00:24:03.509 --> 00:24:07.029 They didn't give a rip about women's rights until a couple of months before an 361 00:24:07.069 --> 00:24:11.460 election was coming. Yeah, you know, and so that's that's a reality 362 00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:14.940 to yeah. Yeah, but so I think it helps to think about that, 363 00:24:15.059 --> 00:24:18.660 to think about their motivation and understand kind of what makes them tick in 364 00:24:18.940 --> 00:24:25.730 in a general vein. But we are in St our contrast in terms of 365 00:24:26.210 --> 00:24:32.849 what our motivation is and and we've talked before about probably one of our favorite 366 00:24:33.650 --> 00:24:37.680 guiding verses in the Bible, which is proverbs one nine, yeah, which 367 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.880 is open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and 368 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.799 needy. And that's why we're there. You are opening our mouth. We 369 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:48.880 are filled with the righteousness of God, not our own righteousness, and we 370 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.950 are able to make a judgment based on that. Yeah, on on that, 371 00:24:52.069 --> 00:24:56.549 this is wrong and we are going to speak against the sea fil and 372 00:24:56.710 --> 00:25:00.670 that that. That is certainly, I think, a Gospel centered motivation. 373 00:25:00.710 --> 00:25:06.950 Absolutely vertically also are yeah, right. So, so going. Then the 374 00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:11.259 next step from motivation would be okay, now we understand, kind of get 375 00:25:11.299 --> 00:25:15.220 a sense of the mindset. We understand the motivation. Now what are their 376 00:25:15.779 --> 00:25:19.980 goals there, because I think it helps to think about what are their goals 377 00:25:21.809 --> 00:25:26.410 and then how do they achieve them? Yeah, well, we've got you 378 00:25:26.529 --> 00:25:30.369 written a wonderful article, like you do a lot. Thank we've got some 379 00:25:30.690 --> 00:25:33.529 motivations here, we've got some mindsets here that we've talked about, that you 380 00:25:33.609 --> 00:25:38.960 talked about in this article. And then sort of how do they achieve these 381 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.480 goals that they have right, and we kind of have said the main goal, 382 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:47.599 their main goal is the right of choice. That has become their God, 383 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:49.829 really the right of choice. They don't really go beyond choice. For 384 00:25:51.029 --> 00:25:55.869 what? But the right of choice. And then then we get into we've 385 00:25:55.869 --> 00:25:59.589 got great alliteration here. You know how I love Little Yeah, we've got 386 00:25:59.630 --> 00:26:02.509 how many D's? We've got a bunch of D's. I think we have 387 00:26:02.829 --> 00:26:04.380 one, two, three, four, it. So five things that we 388 00:26:04.539 --> 00:26:10.019 believe are kind of the main methods by which they attempt to achieve that goal. 389 00:26:10.220 --> 00:26:14.140 So where the enemy and their eyes also, yeah, and and they 390 00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:19.089 have methods by which they are going to disarm another d yeah, another method 391 00:26:19.130 --> 00:26:25.809 by which they're going to disarm the enemy. And and these can be they 392 00:26:25.890 --> 00:26:30.650 can be devastating. Yet another D yeah, I'm especially for a new counselor 393 00:26:30.049 --> 00:26:33.960 so, if we know these methods, we name these methods, we look 394 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.759 for these methods, I think it helps us, like that Chinese general said, 395 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:42.880 to be able to fight against these methods and to win that. Yeah, 396 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:51.230 knowing these methods and then, quoting the Commie general again, knowing ourselves, 397 00:26:51.309 --> 00:26:55.190 yes, and knowing how we react. Yeah, and again it's knowing 398 00:26:55.390 --> 00:26:59.269 in the light of God's Truth and God's word, knowing our own hearts right, 399 00:26:59.349 --> 00:27:02.940 which our own hearts can be deceitful. Yeah, and so we be 400 00:27:03.099 --> 00:27:04.819 careful not to follow our own hearts and not to follow the ways of the 401 00:27:04.900 --> 00:27:10.660 world when we're dealing with these things. Yeah. And again we're encouraging you 402 00:27:10.700 --> 00:27:12.339 guys, because if you're out in an abortion center, you're going to face 403 00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:17.769 these things. And we did a podcast couple of weeks ago we talked about 404 00:27:17.769 --> 00:27:19.609 these three parables. If you haven't listened to that podcast, you got to 405 00:27:19.690 --> 00:27:22.490 listen to it, especially that last one. We talk about Swat and flies 406 00:27:23.009 --> 00:27:26.210 and this is right in line with that. Yeah, and so one of 407 00:27:26.250 --> 00:27:32.200 the first things of first deeds we have here that they are doing is distracting. 408 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.599 Yeah, they want to distract US their train, they're trained to distract 409 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.240 us. Yeah, they that's kind of what they're so at our abortion clinic, 410 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:44.240 just so you guys kind of understand the layout here, there are two 411 00:27:44.390 --> 00:27:47.230 pro abortion groups that are there, right, and I think they're really one 412 00:27:47.349 --> 00:27:51.630 group, but they separate themselves, you know, because of these two different 413 00:27:51.710 --> 00:27:55.509 methods of, you know, counteracting our efforts or whatever. Right. And 414 00:27:55.670 --> 00:27:59.099 one of them is the clinic escorts. So they're the ones who walk the 415 00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:02.819 women from the door of their car to the door of the abortion clinic with 416 00:28:02.859 --> 00:28:04.859 an umbrella to cover them and they try to play music to drown us out 417 00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:07.380 and that sort of thing. So there's an escorts and then you have the 418 00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:11.940 clinic defenders, as that's what they call themselves. So they're the people that 419 00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:15.049 are out of the road. They hold up signs that says clinic entrance this 420 00:28:15.130 --> 00:28:18.170 way to point people in, because the driveways not always clear to people. 421 00:28:18.569 --> 00:28:22.930 They try to counteract our efforts by even sometimes getting between if a car stops 422 00:28:22.970 --> 00:28:26.089 for us, getting between us and the vehicles so we can't approach that vehicle 423 00:28:26.130 --> 00:28:29.680 and give them literature and talk with them. Yeah, and so one of 424 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:33.279 their methods, though, used to distract us, to get us in conversation. 425 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.319 And I'm telling you, I've had conversations with these people and some of 426 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.509 them can be productive conversations. I've had some fairly productive conversations because for me, 427 00:28:41.710 --> 00:28:45.190 from my standpoint, I want to understand where people are coming from. 428 00:28:45.269 --> 00:28:51.990 I genuinely do. People interest me. I'm I'm interested in people and the 429 00:28:52.029 --> 00:28:55.269 way they think, and not that I want to get into their psyche or 430 00:28:55.269 --> 00:28:57.660 anything weird like that, but I like to understand the perspective people are coming 431 00:28:57.700 --> 00:29:02.740 from, how they think, how they tick, and it's interesting to me. 432 00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:06.779 So I've had many conversations with these people and some of them, again, 433 00:29:06.819 --> 00:29:10.130 to have been productive and some of them been just playing distractions. Yeah, 434 00:29:10.170 --> 00:29:14.089 where you're talking about who knows what, you're talking about everything under the 435 00:29:14.210 --> 00:29:18.809 Sun and you learn pretty quickly that their goal is been to distract me. 436 00:29:18.089 --> 00:29:22.210 Yeah, and I feel like, and I told you before we started this 437 00:29:22.289 --> 00:29:27.680 podcast, that the Lord is not happy when I have allowed myself to be 438 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:33.519 distracted in some fruitless conversation with these people and a woman walks into the door 439 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.960 that abortion clinic without being address, without being able to hear. And that 440 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.910 has happened, sadly. Yeah, where I've been engaged one of these pro 441 00:29:38.950 --> 00:29:44.109 abortion people and maybe even gotten a heated argument with him. That's another trap. 442 00:29:44.150 --> 00:29:47.349 We talked about that and that podcast about swatton flies. Yep. But 443 00:29:47.470 --> 00:29:49.470 even if I'm just in a conversation with him and a woman pulls into the 444 00:29:49.470 --> 00:29:52.619 driveway and doesn't get an opportunity to get literature, she walks into the door 445 00:29:52.660 --> 00:29:56.099 of the abortion clint doesn't get an opportunity to hear the truth and the resources 446 00:29:56.140 --> 00:30:02.099 that were offering, we have failed because God didn't call us to the abortion 447 00:30:02.180 --> 00:30:04.339 clinic to reach pro abortion people. Right, he guy able us. They 448 00:30:04.339 --> 00:30:07.650 are, they have valued like every human being. God, God loves them. 449 00:30:07.690 --> 00:30:10.930 He had saved them in an instant if they have turned to him. 450 00:30:11.490 --> 00:30:14.809 And the fact is, you know, they're getting more Gospel just being out 451 00:30:14.849 --> 00:30:17.609 there, just listening to what we're saying to the MOM's going in. They're 452 00:30:17.650 --> 00:30:19.890 hearing more Gospel. The most people in the world ever here, right, 453 00:30:19.970 --> 00:30:23.279 so they get it by US may as Moses Anyway, right, just being 454 00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:27.359 there. Yeah, but, yeah, we can't let them get us distracted 455 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:32.480 and talking about things just don't pertain because that's what they wanted to don't pertain 456 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:36.309 to while we're there. Yeah, and then miss the opportunity to address an 457 00:30:36.349 --> 00:30:38.109 abortion. Amount of mom going in there. They're not on the priority list 458 00:30:38.109 --> 00:30:41.589 as far as addressing people at the abortions. Right, right, because we're 459 00:30:41.670 --> 00:30:45.910 not speaking for those unborn at that point. Really no one is. And 460 00:30:45.069 --> 00:30:49.500 so another thing that they are trained to do is to discredit us, to 461 00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:56.140 distract us and then discredit us and to say that what we're saying our lies, 462 00:30:56.619 --> 00:31:00.619 that what we promise. We are not going to do. Yeah, 463 00:31:00.500 --> 00:31:04.329 they'll discredit us because of our background. I've heard them say you had an 464 00:31:04.369 --> 00:31:07.490 abortion, what gives you the right to speak? Yeah, and it takes 465 00:31:07.529 --> 00:31:11.890 various forms, but it happens all the time. They are busy trying to 466 00:31:14.690 --> 00:31:18.720 have the MOM's question whether they should trust us or not, and it does 467 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.559 spoil down to the example of this is, yes, it does absolutely bulls 468 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.720 down to the issue of trust. Yeah, an example of this is they 469 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.079 used to have signs, which I haven't seen him hold these suns in a 470 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.869 while. But they still say this, that the RV, the Mobultra son, 471 00:31:32.910 --> 00:31:36.549 you know we have there is a fake fake our RV, fake clinic, 472 00:31:36.750 --> 00:31:38.869 face ship, fake pictures. That, yes, still floors me. 473 00:31:40.109 --> 00:31:41.029 Yeah, the Oh, the one guy. I think I shared this on 474 00:31:41.109 --> 00:31:45.430 a previous podcast. The Guy said we show them squirrel feed us. Yeah, 475 00:31:45.589 --> 00:31:48.539 how that would serve US I don't know, but now idea. But 476 00:31:48.700 --> 00:31:51.380 Hey. And so, yeah, they want to discredit what we're saying. 477 00:31:51.380 --> 00:31:53.700 They want to discredit us even as human beings. You know, they've personally 478 00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:56.940 attacked you, they've personally attacked me. Yeah, and you know, even 479 00:31:57.059 --> 00:32:01.210 like my story being a father at seventeen years old and just how God use 480 00:32:01.289 --> 00:32:05.730 that situation to turn my life around. They try to discredit me on that, 481 00:32:06.009 --> 00:32:08.730 you know, and just use all kinds of just wicked language to try 482 00:32:08.730 --> 00:32:12.890 to describe my past and all of that. Yeah, the goal is again 483 00:32:12.970 --> 00:32:15.359 to discredit exactly the things I read that Mom's have written to me. I 484 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.119 read it right from the text from the MOM and they say you're lying. 485 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.519 Yeah, and you know there is nothing you can do do when that happens, 486 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.599 when you're being discredited like that, it is kind of my word against 487 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.470 your word, except just keep speaking truth. Yes, keep speaking to one 488 00:32:30.509 --> 00:32:35.069 of the things that I do. If and again, you cannot let these 489 00:32:35.109 --> 00:32:37.269 people be a focus. Right, you cannot be. You. We were 490 00:32:37.269 --> 00:32:43.069 able we have the awesome gift of being able to use amplified sound here in 491 00:32:43.190 --> 00:32:45.859 Charlotte. We have a private property with a partner ministry love life, next 492 00:32:45.859 --> 00:32:49.380 door to the abortion center. We can set up there. We can have 493 00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:51.700 it pretty loud. Yeah, and so it was a gift for us to 494 00:32:51.740 --> 00:32:55.420 be able to broadcast what we're saying there. And there are times today I'll 495 00:32:55.420 --> 00:33:00.130 let this pro abortion agenda be a focus and I don't. I didn't let 496 00:33:00.130 --> 00:33:04.529 it be an unnecessary focus. It was good and I spring boarded off of 497 00:33:04.609 --> 00:33:07.450 that into you know, are you going to trust the pro abortion agenda? 498 00:33:07.450 --> 00:33:08.970 Are you going to trust the Lord? Right? So it was all good. 499 00:33:09.329 --> 00:33:14.200 Yeah, but one of the things that I do in order to counteract 500 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.039 that discredit is I just tell the truth, right, you know, I 501 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:21.480 just I just tell the truth. I don't embellish the truth. Yeah, 502 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.000 I don't try to make it sound more than it is. Yeah, and 503 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:28.029 then I encourage people who are listening and I'll say this often, don't take 504 00:33:28.069 --> 00:33:30.430 my word for it. So, so today, for example, I was 505 00:33:30.509 --> 00:33:34.430 talking about the abortionist right, Dr Ron Vermonti, and his track record as 506 00:33:34.470 --> 00:33:37.630 being arrested for rape and his racist comments that he made and stuff like that 507 00:33:37.910 --> 00:33:40.460 with your public. Yeah, they're all you can find them going youtube and 508 00:33:40.539 --> 00:33:44.700 find it, and I say, don't take my word for it, please, 509 00:33:44.980 --> 00:33:46.140 don't take my word for it. Look on your smartphone, right, 510 00:33:46.180 --> 00:33:49.940 and that's one of the ways that you can counteract that. We're talking about 511 00:33:49.940 --> 00:33:52.259 out when does a baby's heart begin to beat? Don't take my word for 512 00:33:52.339 --> 00:33:54.769 it, look on your small you can look it up yourself. Yeah, 513 00:33:54.809 --> 00:33:59.529 I mean this day and age, you can't get away with embellishing on the 514 00:33:59.569 --> 00:34:01.769 truth without people checking up on it, right, and so we encourage people, 515 00:34:01.849 --> 00:34:05.250 yeah, to check up on it. With what I'm saying. Is 516 00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:07.450 a lie, then show me, and that's one of the things I will 517 00:34:07.450 --> 00:34:09.960 do if I do exchange with these pro abortion people, and I do from 518 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.800 time to time, right when it's appropriate, is that you know, they 519 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.519 cause liars. They say you tell people lies. And I ask him, 520 00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:21.719 please share with me one lie, one line that I tell people or in 521 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.070 our brochure. They say your brochure is a bunch of lies and propaganda, 522 00:34:24.510 --> 00:34:28.230 and I'll hand them one of our brochures and say, please, just circle 523 00:34:28.510 --> 00:34:30.309 what in this brochure. Is A lot. Please circle it for me and 524 00:34:30.389 --> 00:34:34.670 because genuinely I do want to know. I don't want to be given people 525 00:34:34.710 --> 00:34:37.590 misinformation. If we're to telling a lie, we want to know. Yeah, 526 00:34:37.630 --> 00:34:39.340 prays, take the brochures, circle whatever in there is a lot, 527 00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:43.739 and I will do whatever I can to correct it. Did they ever circle? 528 00:34:43.820 --> 00:34:46.219 And think? Of course not now. No. Yeah. Well, 529 00:34:46.300 --> 00:34:54.130 today was great because you played over the microphone the the audio of Doctor Vermonti 530 00:34:55.130 --> 00:35:02.530 saying that he didn't want to support those ugly black babies on unwelfare and and 531 00:35:02.690 --> 00:35:08.000 that did. This was a group of young new pro abortion people and they 532 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:13.760 were silenced by that, because they're just when you play the truth and it's 533 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.320 audible, they're just as really nothing you can say. It's awful, that 534 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.150 what he did and said. So, yeah, so they want to distract, 535 00:35:22.190 --> 00:35:25.349 they want to discredit, they wanted demoralize. Yeah, they would. 536 00:35:25.349 --> 00:35:29.469 They want and and you know, they can be effective, especially with the 537 00:35:29.550 --> 00:35:31.949 new volunteers. I have had new volunteers start crying because they are. So 538 00:35:32.349 --> 00:35:37.699 they did a lot of name calling. Yeah, a lot of bad, 539 00:35:37.820 --> 00:35:42.500 bad language, and a lot of personal attacks on your dress, on your 540 00:35:42.659 --> 00:35:47.820 age, on your looks. It's just it can be really demoralizing. Yeah, 541 00:35:47.860 --> 00:35:51.969 you know, with without them, even in the equation. HMM, 542 00:35:52.289 --> 00:35:54.090 if you've ever been to an abortion center, you'll know exactly what I'm talking 543 00:35:54.090 --> 00:35:58.809 about. You're in a spiritual battle and you can feel the spiritual warfare right 544 00:35:58.969 --> 00:36:01.289 and again. That's without these people. Even in the equation. You're add 545 00:36:01.289 --> 00:36:05.719 an abortion center, you can feel the demonic presence and all of that, 546 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.159 and so it's already a battle. It's already difficult when you add these people 547 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:14.039 to the equation. Yeah, and then they're saying some of the I mean 548 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.000 really, it makes me laugh, but I can understand how people who are 549 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:22.909 new can get demoralized and get deflated, because it is like personal attacks. 550 00:36:22.909 --> 00:36:24.989 Yeah, you know, they were making fun of my shoes today. I 551 00:36:25.070 --> 00:36:29.710 think they were making fun of they called you ikey Vicki. Ikey Vicky is 552 00:36:29.869 --> 00:36:32.380 the new yeah, all over facebook. And the thing is I laughed too, 553 00:36:32.579 --> 00:36:37.019 but I remember when I was new, I didn't laugh, but you 554 00:36:37.099 --> 00:36:42.780 learned to. I think you learn to realize this is it's not really me 555 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:45.900 of that that they're battling. Ma's one of the things that we say in 556 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:49.050 our train. Yeah, when you've got people, you know, angry people 557 00:36:49.050 --> 00:36:52.489 who are there for an abortion or pro abortion people, whoever, you got 558 00:36:52.650 --> 00:36:55.130 security guards, whatever, don't take it personal, right, because it's not 559 00:36:55.289 --> 00:37:00.650 personal. It's not about you necessarily. They just wanted to moralize you and 560 00:37:00.730 --> 00:37:04.280 it's really they hate what you stand for. Yeah, in their minds and 561 00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.480 their minds, you stand for everything that's wrong with the world. You know, 562 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.719 you're like a little representative of Donald Trump. You know, that's the 563 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:15.389 way they see and of course that's ridiculous, right, but that's the way 564 00:37:15.429 --> 00:37:19.389 they see it, and so they're attacking that. And really what they're attacking 565 00:37:19.469 --> 00:37:22.750 as a straw man, right, it's at caricature they've built up in their 566 00:37:22.789 --> 00:37:24.949 own minds. It's just not true, right. And the ultimately they're attacking 567 00:37:25.070 --> 00:37:30.420 God and his message because they're in so much rebellion against God. So the 568 00:37:30.500 --> 00:37:34.619 next day, is that their their goal is to discourage yeah, because if 569 00:37:34.699 --> 00:37:38.139 they think if they just attack enough, that they will discourage us him and 570 00:37:38.260 --> 00:37:44.329 we won't come out there they've been proven wrong, that we've been out there. 571 00:37:44.449 --> 00:37:46.570 How long? A Long, long time, you know, and just 572 00:37:46.650 --> 00:37:52.090 about every hour that the abortion centers opened. So and then all the the 573 00:37:52.170 --> 00:37:55.889 last D is to defend their own lives and choices. You touched on that 574 00:37:55.969 --> 00:38:00.239 earlier. Yeah, that they're trying to defend and rationalize. Right, trying 575 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.960 to rationalize, trying to justify and trying to make themselves feel better about their 576 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.559 sinful lifestyle, whatever. You know. But it is ultimately bulls down to 577 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:14.030 selfjustification. Yeah. Yeah, and again you can understand because their loss and 578 00:38:14.070 --> 00:38:17.710 they're not just defied through the only means of justification they're there actually is, 579 00:38:17.789 --> 00:38:22.190 which is Jesus Christ and his death barrel and resurrection. They've not been justified, 580 00:38:22.309 --> 00:38:27.500 so they have to justify themselves. Yeah, and again it's understandable if 581 00:38:27.619 --> 00:38:30.460 we can see from their perspective. And at one time you are not a 582 00:38:30.500 --> 00:38:35.980 Christian. One time you were not born again, you were not justified by 583 00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:38.340 faith in Jesus Christ. So you were in their shoes at one time. 584 00:38:38.420 --> 00:38:43.050 So we have a unique thing going on here, is that we have the 585 00:38:43.130 --> 00:38:45.130 ability to see from both perspectives. Yeah, now, I don't mean that 586 00:38:45.210 --> 00:38:49.409 we can see all together from their perspective and all of that, because they 587 00:38:49.530 --> 00:38:53.650 their different life experiences and stuff, but they're really two perspective in the Bible. 588 00:38:53.730 --> 00:38:59.440 There's this perspective of the lost the world and then there's their perspective of 589 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.880 those who were born again. Right, and we can see from those two 590 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.320 perspectives because one time we're lost. Well, they're in darkness and we're in 591 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.719 light. Yeah, for one thing, and darkness. You don't see in 592 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.590 darkness, but you do. You do see in light. And and I 593 00:39:10.710 --> 00:39:15.909 think this goes back to that very first point that we made about know your 594 00:39:15.949 --> 00:39:19.469 enemy. No, not only your enemy, but know yourself. The negative 595 00:39:19.710 --> 00:39:22.989 of our self is that our heart is deceitful above all else. Who can 596 00:39:22.030 --> 00:39:27.820 know it? But the positive is we have the Holy Spirit in dwelled yeah, 597 00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:31.900 within in every believer and dwelling every believer, and that Holy Spirit is 598 00:39:32.019 --> 00:39:37.940 what gives us that light, that knowledge and Truth and righteousness. The heart 599 00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:40.849 is deceitful above all things and desperately, desperately wicked. Who can know it? 600 00:39:42.409 --> 00:39:45.369 But the board right. When you're a Christian, when you're lost, 601 00:39:45.489 --> 00:39:47.050 you don't know it. You're blind. When you're a Christian, you can 602 00:39:47.130 --> 00:39:50.969 know what your heart is like because you have the Holy Spirit, you've got 603 00:39:51.090 --> 00:39:54.639 my Lord by his spirit in you and you can look and see, here's 604 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:59.159 where I'm off and here's where, here's where you know I'm good. Yeah, 605 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.159 people are lost. Can't see that, right. So we have again, 606 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.039 we had that's understand. We have that. Yeah. So that that, 607 00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.030 I hope, helps, just knowing these are their goals and the methods 608 00:40:07.070 --> 00:40:10.429 that they use. And and now once you know them, hopefully you can 609 00:40:10.510 --> 00:40:15.110 be aware of them and if you're aware you are able to move beyond them. 610 00:40:15.190 --> 00:40:17.630 And we so we found a psalm. Yeah, that that we just 611 00:40:19.550 --> 00:40:22.900 we both read it and thought, wow, this, this just really describes 612 00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:27.980 in our eyes what we see from the pro abortion crowd. Yes, I 613 00:40:28.099 --> 00:40:30.139 do. You have that, that Psalm? I do. Psalmsen for three 614 00:40:30.139 --> 00:40:34.219 level or through revene. Know, again, this this biblical language. The 615 00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:36.530 Bible say they have problems. We're not the same thing, as I said, 616 00:40:36.690 --> 00:40:39.250 but then you got problems with with God's word. But again, when 617 00:40:39.289 --> 00:40:44.050 we're talking about enemies, we're talking about wicked people. We're not using those 618 00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:46.050 terms just to demean them and say they don't have value. They do. 619 00:40:46.449 --> 00:40:50.719 We were wicked at one time. Right God's mercy was shot on us. 620 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.119 They're wicked. God's mercy will shot on them if they'll repent and put their 621 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.960 trust in him. Yeah, but here's what the Bible says. The wicked 622 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:01.199 in his proud countenance does not seek God. God is in none of his 623 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:06.309 thoughts. His ways are always prospering. Your judgments are far above out of 624 00:41:06.429 --> 00:41:09.349 his sight. As for all his enemies, he sneers at them. He 625 00:41:09.389 --> 00:41:13.150 has said in his heart I shall not be moved, I shall never be 626 00:41:13.349 --> 00:41:16.989 an adversity. His mouth is full of cursing into sit and oppression. Under 627 00:41:17.030 --> 00:41:22.019 his tongue is trouble in iniquity. He sits in the lurking places of the 628 00:41:22.059 --> 00:41:24.420 villages, in the secret places, he murders the innocent. His eyes are 629 00:41:24.460 --> 00:41:29.539 secretly fixed on the helpless. He lies in weight, secretly as a lion 630 00:41:29.619 --> 00:41:32.690 in his den. He lies in wait to catch the poor. He catches 631 00:41:32.769 --> 00:41:37.250 the poor when he draws him into his net. So he crouches and he 632 00:41:37.409 --> 00:41:40.489 lies low that the helpless may fall by his strength. He is said in 633 00:41:40.570 --> 00:41:45.289 his heart God has forgotten. He hides his face. He will never see 634 00:41:45.530 --> 00:41:49.599 and we know he will see it. But I did think that they they 635 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.960 have told us, the pro abortion group, that they don't believe in God 636 00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:57.559 and they don't care. Yeah, but I actually did today on the microphone. 637 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.039 It did a show of hands and it was interesting. Yeah, I 638 00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.710 did that because you know, you've got people in the abortion center parking lot 639 00:42:04.750 --> 00:42:07.030 who are waiting on their appointments, right, and many of those people listen. 640 00:42:07.150 --> 00:42:10.989 Statistically, yeah, like it or Lumpet, statistically, the vast majority 641 00:42:12.070 --> 00:42:14.869 of people, especially here in the south, that are going to an abortion 642 00:42:14.909 --> 00:42:17.420 center, would claim to be Christians. Yes, at least have some kind 643 00:42:17.420 --> 00:42:21.539 of faith. So these are people who have some kind of faith who would 644 00:42:21.739 --> 00:42:24.099 likely be offended if you told them you didn't believe there was a god. 645 00:42:24.500 --> 00:42:28.139 Right. They would probably defend, and I've talked to a lot of them 646 00:42:28.179 --> 00:42:30.289 there and I know they would. They would defend the idea that there's a 647 00:42:30.329 --> 00:42:34.409 god and they would think you're stupid if you don't believe in God. Right. 648 00:42:34.610 --> 00:42:36.769 So what I did is I kind of use that knowledge that I have 649 00:42:36.889 --> 00:42:38.650 about that and the knowledge that I have about these pro abortion people and I 650 00:42:38.730 --> 00:42:42.690 wanted to show a contrast. And it has to do with trust, it 651 00:42:42.809 --> 00:42:45.480 has to do with. I want them to trust what I'm saying is true, 652 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.440 not just because it's me, but because it's coming from God's word and 653 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:51.440 and they can check these facts out, because our goal is if they trust 654 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.199 us, they will choose life. Yeah, yeah, for their child. 655 00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:55.960 I wanted them to see a contrast, right, and so I said I 656 00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.789 want to show of hands of all you were standing out here. Who is 657 00:43:00.829 --> 00:43:05.349 an atheist and all of the pro abortion poll raise their hands, all of 658 00:43:05.469 --> 00:43:07.150 them. And I springboard off that and said many of you sitting in the 659 00:43:07.150 --> 00:43:12.550 sparking lot waiting for your abortion, believe in God. Please see that the 660 00:43:12.630 --> 00:43:15.780 people that drove that ushered you into the drive with it, try to block 661 00:43:15.860 --> 00:43:17.739 you from hearing what we were saying, that try to stop you from getting 662 00:43:17.739 --> 00:43:22.780 our literature, that these people are gutless individuals, they don't know God, 663 00:43:22.820 --> 00:43:25.980 and the God that many of you claim to belong to they hate and they 664 00:43:27.019 --> 00:43:30.210 hate leaving the idea of him. So I was doing a little contrast there, 665 00:43:30.250 --> 00:43:31.969 and I think it can be helpful to do that again, not letting 666 00:43:31.969 --> 00:43:35.650 these people be the focus, because if we let them be the focus, 667 00:43:36.130 --> 00:43:39.369 then we've basically fallen into the trap exactly and so that that goes into the 668 00:43:39.489 --> 00:43:43.840 next main point. How should we respond? And that is a hard question. 669 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.719 I think you've touched on it now. You did take some time while 670 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.960 you are on the microphone. We had already spoken to all the women who 671 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.909 were pretty much were already inside the building and so we knew that they had 672 00:43:55.030 --> 00:44:00.510 heard us said as they went in and we had a fairly decent sized team 673 00:44:00.550 --> 00:44:06.030 out there stretched across the sidewalk. But he made a choice at that point. 674 00:44:06.030 --> 00:44:08.670 I'm going to speak really to actually kind of to those pro abortion people. 675 00:44:08.710 --> 00:44:14.820 But you also did connect that with with what the mothers needed to hear 676 00:44:14.860 --> 00:44:17.179 who are inside the building. But we deal with that as we're out on 677 00:44:17.219 --> 00:44:21.940 the sidewalk. We know there are our enemy, their God's enemy, and 678 00:44:21.980 --> 00:44:27.969 they need the gospel. But how should we respond? Should we be spending 679 00:44:28.210 --> 00:44:34.369 our time speaking to them or and sharing the Gospel with them, ignoring them? 680 00:44:35.329 --> 00:44:37.369 What? What should we what should we do? Well, I think 681 00:44:37.449 --> 00:44:42.079 in line again with that podcast that we did a couple of weeks ago with 682 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.639 the three parables in that final parable about getting distracted and Swat and flies. 683 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.920 You know, that's that's wisdom from the Lord that we can't let these people 684 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.150 be our focus, right, because you know, if you're out there, 685 00:44:53.190 --> 00:44:55.909 especially when there's kind of like a lull in the day and there's not a 686 00:44:55.989 --> 00:45:00.429 lot of ability to interact with abortion minded women going into the abortion center, 687 00:45:00.510 --> 00:45:04.110 and these people are allowed and their belligerent, you can just because you're bored 688 00:45:04.510 --> 00:45:07.380 and you don't have anybody to talk to. Yeah, you can start getting 689 00:45:07.380 --> 00:45:10.820 in a conversation with them and you'll find like maybe traffic picks up at the 690 00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:15.340 abortion center and you're focus in a conversation with them and you get distracted from 691 00:45:15.340 --> 00:45:17.099 why you're really there. Yeah, so, you know, understand, if 692 00:45:17.139 --> 00:45:22.050 you're there in front of the abortion center and there's just you and some pro 693 00:45:22.090 --> 00:45:23.449 abortion people, you feel like, I don't have anybody to talk to, 694 00:45:23.489 --> 00:45:25.969 you as well talk to this person, right. Well, you do have 695 00:45:27.090 --> 00:45:29.289 someone to talk to. You. You can talk to the Lord. Yeah, 696 00:45:29.289 --> 00:45:30.690 you can be in prayer. You can be praying for those MOMS that 697 00:45:30.730 --> 00:45:34.130 are in that abortion center. You can be praying for those that are sitting 698 00:45:34.130 --> 00:45:37.559 in their cars. You you just can't let yourself get distracted with these people. 699 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.599 Right. That does not mean, however, at least in my experience, 700 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:45.400 that you just ignore them all together. They can be appropriate times to 701 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.000 talk to them. They need the Gospel. And if there's you know, 702 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.389 I'll tell you just from experience, though, a little bit of a word 703 00:45:52.429 --> 00:45:53.750 of caution, if they're in a group together, if there's like three or 704 00:45:53.789 --> 00:45:59.030 four of them, you're just better off not engaging right. But if you 705 00:45:59.110 --> 00:46:02.030 can have a oneone conversation with one, it's like that whole group. Think 706 00:46:02.110 --> 00:46:07.019 dynamic this'. There you're not going to make any headway. I can almost 707 00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:09.059 tell you a hundred percent of the time. You're not going to make headway 708 00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:12.579 if you talk with them in a group. But if you have a oneone 709 00:46:12.619 --> 00:46:15.420 conversation, there's an opportunity for that and such a way that you're not going 710 00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:17.849 to get distracted from why you're there, to reach those women, to say 711 00:46:17.889 --> 00:46:22.570 babies and preach the Gospel, then yeah, you can have a one on 712 00:46:22.929 --> 00:46:25.210 one conversation with yeah, yeah, and and that tension I think about, 713 00:46:25.250 --> 00:46:30.409 do I talk to I ignore, is is again a biblical tension. The 714 00:46:30.530 --> 00:46:34.480 Bible clearly tells that we are called to warn those who are wicked, and 715 00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.559 I and on a wicked path. A great example of that is Zekiel, 716 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.000 thirty three, yeah, verse will just do. Eight, if I say 717 00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:45.079 to the wicked, Oh wicked one, you shall surely die and you do 718 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.469 not speak, if you do not speak to warn the wicked to turn from 719 00:46:47.469 --> 00:46:51.469 his way, that we could person shall die in his iniquity, but his 720 00:46:51.550 --> 00:46:53.750 blood will be required at your hand. So we are we are called to 721 00:46:53.789 --> 00:46:59.389 account if we don't warn. But on the other hand, the Bible warrants 722 00:46:59.389 --> 00:47:01.900 us against fruitless discussion. Yeah, as in Matthew Seven. Six, don't 723 00:47:01.900 --> 00:47:07.300 give to dogs what is wholly do not throw your pearls before pigs less they 724 00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:13.139 trample them underfoot. So so that tension is there. But but I think 725 00:47:13.219 --> 00:47:15.809 it's so important. In our previous podcast really talked about it. What is 726 00:47:15.929 --> 00:47:19.690 the main thing? Keep the main thing, the main thing, the main 727 00:47:19.769 --> 00:47:23.769 thing for our ministry is speaking for the unborn, and really that should be 728 00:47:23.809 --> 00:47:29.050 our focus and and that's how we overcome all of those do well, you 729 00:47:29.130 --> 00:47:32.000 know in that that Matthew Chapter Seven. But yeah, it actually goes on 730 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:37.159 to say not only will they trample the pearls underfoot, but it says they'll 731 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.320 turn around and tear you up to right. So you have to be careful. 732 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.079 If you can engage with a group of these pro abortion people. Yeah, 733 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.670 you're going to find that they're not just going to trample what you're saying 734 00:47:45.750 --> 00:47:50.349 underfoot. When you're sharing with them about the love of God and Jesus and 735 00:47:50.750 --> 00:47:52.949 His death, Bury on resurrection and all of that, you're sharing about abortion 736 00:47:53.030 --> 00:47:55.949 and the violence that abortion commits. Not only are they going to take those 737 00:47:55.989 --> 00:48:00.139 truths and just cast them underfoot, right, but a lot of times they're 738 00:48:00.139 --> 00:48:02.980 going to come around tear you up right right. You're going to suffer loss 739 00:48:04.139 --> 00:48:07.940 yourself. So God will give us wisdom sometimes just to ignore them, and 740 00:48:07.099 --> 00:48:10.380 that is my primary method of right these people right, and that is what 741 00:48:10.539 --> 00:48:15.010 we train. Aren't most of our most of our new, especially new counselors, 742 00:48:15.010 --> 00:48:17.969 but really all our counselors in in general. We say it is truly 743 00:48:19.090 --> 00:48:22.289 best to ignore them. Yeah, I know we've gone on a long time. 744 00:48:22.369 --> 00:48:27.639 There's one last one. Can we coexist and if so, how? 745 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.440 And so I'm going to read a proverbs and maybe maybe you can talk about 746 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.480 that in the light of that question. And okay, so proverb sixteen seven, 747 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.199 I think, paints a beautiful picture of harmony which finally develops between the 748 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:43.750 enemies of God, which ultimately I mean we do want harmony. We don't 749 00:48:43.869 --> 00:48:50.550 want to ever compromise with evil, but we also don't want to destroy harmony. 750 00:48:50.630 --> 00:48:53.110 That he's a lost constant contention. We're supposed to be peace people of 751 00:48:53.190 --> 00:48:58.579 peace. So so that proverb says when a man's ways please the Lord, 752 00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:02.380 he makes even his enemies to be at peace. Yeah, with him. 753 00:49:02.420 --> 00:49:07.260 I think there's a couple really important like yeah, absolutely, we not just 754 00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:12.929 scare a personal story. You remember, some years back one of the pro 755 00:49:12.969 --> 00:49:16.929 abortion ladies who was really vile and really difficult. Yeah, I don't say 756 00:49:16.969 --> 00:49:20.130 her name, but I think they even kicked her out, didn't they? 757 00:49:20.170 --> 00:49:23.130 Yeah, the abortion ended up even for that. Let me tell you, 758 00:49:23.250 --> 00:49:27.079 she was a formidable foe. She was. She was a real hinder. 759 00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.480 Yeah, and there was a point, though, however, as I was 760 00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:32.719 praying for her and praying, you know what the Lord would have me to 761 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:36.840 do? Shout out. Should I just ignore her completely? Should continue to 762 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.469 speak truth to her? And it's like the Lord said, well, buy 763 00:49:39.510 --> 00:49:43.989 or something. Yeah, Byre and what I ended up now, listen, 764 00:49:44.150 --> 00:49:46.789 guys, I don't I don't deal with starbucks. It's a wicked company, 765 00:49:46.989 --> 00:49:51.750 right, but I did overhear her talking to one of her pro abortion friends 766 00:49:51.750 --> 00:49:54.539 about how she really liked something from starbucks. Yeah, and I said, 767 00:49:54.619 --> 00:49:59.460 Lord, is it okay that I compromise this standard to bless this woman and 768 00:50:00.019 --> 00:50:04.059 just see what God does? Okay, so I did. Actually was driving 769 00:50:04.099 --> 00:50:07.130 the mobile ultra sound unit that Saturday and I stopped by starbucks on the way 770 00:50:07.130 --> 00:50:12.250 to the abortion clinic, got her a card, Gift Card, yeah, 771 00:50:12.570 --> 00:50:15.369 and gave it to her. Uh Huh. And this woman who's normally vile 772 00:50:15.570 --> 00:50:20.769 and and really weak in person, yeah, gives me a Hugo, really 773 00:50:20.809 --> 00:50:22.880 uncomfortables with you. Yeah, and this is this is some years ago. 774 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:28.639 But okay, okay, he makes even his enemies to be at peace, 775 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.800 and there was a sense of peace after that. Right now, ultimately, 776 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:36.670 sadly, she kind of went back into her old ways, but there was 777 00:50:36.750 --> 00:50:40.630 a bridge, yeah, that was kind of stretched across that chasm for that 778 00:50:40.789 --> 00:50:45.429 moment. For that moment, for actually a couple of weeks right now, 779 00:50:45.590 --> 00:50:47.349 I did not in any way. They were there. Were there was no 780 00:50:47.510 --> 00:50:52.260 way she can miss. You construe that as me being okay with her stance, 781 00:50:52.420 --> 00:50:54.619 right, because she knew where US did right, and I did not 782 00:50:54.699 --> 00:51:00.659 compromise truth. You know what, sometimes the way to somebody's heart is through 783 00:51:00.699 --> 00:51:06.090 their stomach, right. And I blessed her and it brought peace through an 784 00:51:06.210 --> 00:51:08.730 active kindness, through an active kind the one that I remembered that you did. 785 00:51:09.250 --> 00:51:12.969 I think it was you that spearhead. Spearheaded that. There was a 786 00:51:13.690 --> 00:51:20.079 another very, very vile pro abortion person who I think was kicked out from 787 00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.440 the group. Yeah, and and she wanted to go home and home was 788 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.320 far away, like across the country, and she didn't have the funds to 789 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:30.400 get home and we raised the Fund, caught win of a Gofund me that 790 00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:32.829 she had out there somehow. I don't know the Lord. I guess Yes 791 00:51:34.150 --> 00:51:37.909 to that. But yeah, it was pro choice or a pro choice prolife 792 00:51:37.989 --> 00:51:40.949 people that rallied around that and we said, and I guess it was kind 793 00:51:40.989 --> 00:51:44.030 of like a win win, right, is they're going to give a lot 794 00:51:44.070 --> 00:51:45.710 of money. Is probably was possible, but it was out of kindness. 795 00:51:45.750 --> 00:51:50.860 You wasn't. That wasn't the motivation. Motivation was to be a kind act 796 00:51:51.019 --> 00:51:54.019 towards an enemy and who knows where it may lead because ultimately, again, 797 00:51:54.300 --> 00:51:58.099 our goal is that she would turn to the Lord and if she sees the 798 00:51:58.179 --> 00:52:00.489 kindness of his people, maybe she will. Yeah. Well, one of 799 00:52:00.530 --> 00:52:04.610 the comments in that go fund me, you know you can put comments there, 800 00:52:05.570 --> 00:52:07.730 or is like on her facebook or something, was like wow, I 801 00:52:07.809 --> 00:52:10.690 can't believe this. She was she was taken aback right by the fact that 802 00:52:10.769 --> 00:52:17.320 these prolifers rallied around and gave money to help her to get with her family 803 00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:21.119 where she wanted to go. So, you know, the Lord uses that 804 00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.239 kind of stuff and the Lord can give you wisdom and the Lord can give 805 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:28.880 you grace to reach these people, to bridge that divide again without getting distracted, 806 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:30.710 without getting off course, because that's what they want to do. Those 807 00:52:30.789 --> 00:52:35.469 d's that we talked about. Yeah, they want to discourage distract this. 808 00:52:36.030 --> 00:52:43.070 But what's what's good? That demoralized defend their their point of view. And 809 00:52:43.349 --> 00:52:45.820 you know, we've talked about all of these negatives of them being out there, 810 00:52:45.900 --> 00:52:50.059 but I think we always love to end on a positive and, and 811 00:52:50.179 --> 00:52:52.500 this is something that I discovered in all of my years out there, and 812 00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:58.420 maybe you've discovered it as well, is that I I know longer necessarily look 813 00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:07.530 at them as opposition but kind of almost as an opportunity and opportunity to to 814 00:53:07.690 --> 00:53:10.449 first of all, learn to focus more clearly on God and and on our 815 00:53:10.489 --> 00:53:15.760 mission. And when they raise a point, sometimes they honestly do raise good 816 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:20.400 points, and when they do too and I don't know the answer, I 817 00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.239 don't know how to defend my faith in that particular instance, to go home 818 00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:30.750 and learn more. That has happened countless times and it has never harmed my 819 00:53:30.869 --> 00:53:35.630 faith. That has always increased my faith and I think that that principle is 820 00:53:35.750 --> 00:53:37.630 in count it all joy when you encounter trials. YEA, in the book 821 00:53:37.630 --> 00:53:43.380 of James, because because that brings us to a greater understanding of God and 822 00:53:43.659 --> 00:53:47.420 and closer to God. And so I think that that's a good perspective for 823 00:53:49.420 --> 00:53:52.940 it took me many years to gain that, but I think it's useful for 824 00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:57.289 other counselors probably as well. or it could be that if you look at 825 00:53:57.369 --> 00:54:00.610 what you're facing, when you're facing these people making fun of you, trying 826 00:54:00.610 --> 00:54:02.969 to distract you, whatever look at it. You look at it as an 827 00:54:04.050 --> 00:54:08.449 opportunity that God has set before you to to show the peace of God and 828 00:54:08.610 --> 00:54:14.320 to show your focus on what God has called you and to remain faithful to 829 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:20.000 that. Yeah, absolutely absolutely well with that. Will wrap this thing up. 830 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:22.800 Appreciate you guys listening. We hope this podcast was a blessing to you. 831 00:54:23.389 --> 00:54:28.429 We hope that you again will leave a review to help counteract some of 832 00:54:28.469 --> 00:54:31.349 the pro abortion trolls that have put their reviews out on our podcast. 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