Counter Intuitive Things We Have Learned

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.080 I think this, as far as our tone can really be a manifestation of 2 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:07.150 what's in our hearts. And so if you show up at the abortion center 3 00:00:07.269 --> 00:00:11.029 on a consistent basis and you've got an angry tone, you've got an accusatory 4 00:00:11.109 --> 00:00:13.869 tone, I think it's time to get in the presence of the Lord and 5 00:00:13.949 --> 00:00:16.269 see if there's some things in my heart, Lord that I need to get 6 00:00:16.309 --> 00:00:22.059 right with you. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, 7 00:00:22.620 --> 00:00:27.660 and me, Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm 8 00:00:28.100 --> 00:00:32.579 welcome to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, 9 00:00:33.219 --> 00:00:37.729 encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry and always were the focus on the 10 00:00:37.770 --> 00:00:49.049 Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use 11 00:00:49.250 --> 00:00:56.039 Me. Welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys 12 00:00:56.079 --> 00:01:03.240 joining us and this is being recorded in two thousand and twenty one, actually 13 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:07.670 the ladder days, the latter days of two thousand and twenty one, but 14 00:01:07.790 --> 00:01:11.670 should come out in the early days of two thousand and twenty two. So 15 00:01:11.829 --> 00:01:15.950 we hope that you guys had a blessed Christmas. Hope you guys had a 16 00:01:15.030 --> 00:01:21.620 blessed New Year and we hope that this podcast episode will be an encouragement to 17 00:01:21.700 --> 00:01:25.659 you as we speak from some experiences, some of the things that we've learned. 18 00:01:25.739 --> 00:01:30.099 And that's going to be the title of this maybe maybe I'll twee the 19 00:01:30.140 --> 00:01:32.540 title a bit before I put it out there, but this is kind of 20 00:01:32.540 --> 00:01:37.810 the title we're rolling with as we're recording this. counterintuitive things we have learned, 21 00:01:38.329 --> 00:01:42.730 right, and we may need to break down what that means, because 22 00:01:42.730 --> 00:01:47.010 I don't really know what the word counterintuitive means. Oh dear, okay, 23 00:01:47.090 --> 00:01:49.239 well, we'll try and educate everybody that. Yeah, actually, not just 24 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:56.480 Daniel. Yeah, I'm not as dumb as some people think. It's that 25 00:01:56.599 --> 00:02:00.599 don't know what that means. So we're going to talk about some of the 26 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:04.469 things that we've learned over the years, some of the things counterintuitively, some 27 00:02:04.590 --> 00:02:07.510 of the things you think, hmm, maybe you should do this, maybe 28 00:02:07.510 --> 00:02:09.990 you should do that, but you find actually that's not very productive. It's 29 00:02:10.030 --> 00:02:15.900 counter productive right, and so things that you would think are one way we're 30 00:02:15.060 --> 00:02:19.379 thinking. We've learned those things are a little different. So some of these 31 00:02:19.379 --> 00:02:22.020 points are going to be counterintuitive and some of them maybe you're going to just 32 00:02:22.099 --> 00:02:24.780 be common sense. For you. Right, but it's things that we learned 33 00:02:24.979 --> 00:02:30.409 nonetheless, and we hope that, rather than making your own mistakes on the 34 00:02:30.490 --> 00:02:34.370 sidewalk, you can let us make them for you and you can learn learn 35 00:02:34.490 --> 00:02:36.770 from us. What do you think about that? I think it's good. 36 00:02:36.889 --> 00:02:39.009 In fact, the first point that we're going to make as a mistake that 37 00:02:39.169 --> 00:02:44.090 I made, I think, just a few days ago. I've been out 38 00:02:44.129 --> 00:02:49.039 here for nine years. So sometimes we don't learn from our Vicki, I 39 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:53.680 don't make mistakes, they're just happy accidents. Oh, okay, yes, 40 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:58.120 that's what. What's the gay? The painter with the Oh, with the 41 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:00.710 big Afro? Yeah, I can I remember his name. I don't remember 42 00:03:00.710 --> 00:03:05.229 it. Bob Something. See, then, this is how sm where we 43 00:03:05.270 --> 00:03:09.069 are. And he said you just make happy accidents. So okay, yeah, 44 00:03:09.189 --> 00:03:12.830 let's lead to it. So we'll turn some of our happy accidents, 45 00:03:13.060 --> 00:03:17.099 some of our mistakes, into teaching moments for all of you guys. That's 46 00:03:17.099 --> 00:03:21.860 right. And you guys can maybe shoot me an email and let me know 47 00:03:21.979 --> 00:03:24.219 what that guy's name is. Who I should know absolutely. It is what 48 00:03:24.419 --> 00:03:28.729 I'm in. It's Bob someone. Yeah, it is, but I can't 49 00:03:28.770 --> 00:03:30.530 think of it right now. So maybe by the end of this episode I'll 50 00:03:30.569 --> 00:03:35.129 just chime in and say this is the guys name. Me and my kids 51 00:03:35.169 --> 00:03:38.729 used to watch that guy together. I used to watch him. Anyway, 52 00:03:38.889 --> 00:03:42.680 that's not what this podcast is about. It's about sidewalk ministrying. So let's 53 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.919 go through. What are some of the counterintuitive things that we've learned, or 54 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.439 maybe some of the common sense things that we've learned over the years that we 55 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.639 feel like would help and encourage people that are involved in this ministry. Yeah, 56 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:58.909 well, I'll tell you the little story that led to the first point 57 00:03:59.030 --> 00:04:02.389 that we're going to make, which is that the importance of timing is critical. 58 00:04:02.550 --> 00:04:06.389 Yeah, speaking to Tommy. Oh what Bob Ross? But yes, 59 00:04:08.509 --> 00:04:13.580 yeah, that's the guys name. Okay, you're absolutely correct about my timing. 60 00:04:13.620 --> 00:04:15.100 Could have been better on that, because you're trying to make a point 61 00:04:15.180 --> 00:04:18.300 here and I just chimmed in for something that has nothing to do with what 62 00:04:18.379 --> 00:04:21.019 you're saying. Yeah, so it was the right thing, but at the 63 00:04:21.100 --> 00:04:27.689 wrong time, which is exactly which is exactly the point. So the little 64 00:04:27.769 --> 00:04:32.610 story is a person stopped car side, in fact two in a row stopped 65 00:04:32.730 --> 00:04:36.410 car side up the street, which doesn't happen all that often, but it 66 00:04:36.529 --> 00:04:42.199 was my lucky day and both of them were willing to engage, at least 67 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:46.839 for a little while. Yeah, and the first one, I talked with 68 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:51.800 her for a little while and then it felt like it was time to say, 69 00:04:53.230 --> 00:04:56.829 what would God have you do? And at that moment she nudged her 70 00:04:56.870 --> 00:05:00.990 boyfriend in the side and say get out of here. Yeah, and and 71 00:05:00.350 --> 00:05:03.629 drove it into the abortion center. You would think I would have learned after 72 00:05:03.670 --> 00:05:08.220 after that. But then the next car comes along and the very different. 73 00:05:08.379 --> 00:05:12.699 That woman was already crying. She pulled over, she wouldn't look at me. 74 00:05:12.899 --> 00:05:15.980 She was with another woman and she's looking straight ahead and she's obviously very 75 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:18.980 upset. I just said, look, you don't want to do this. 76 00:05:19.019 --> 00:05:23.569 It's very clear that you don't want to do this, and she was listening 77 00:05:23.649 --> 00:05:28.769 and I started telling about our resources and, in my defense, at that 78 00:05:28.930 --> 00:05:32.089 moment one of the pro abortion people came running over, screaming at her to 79 00:05:32.170 --> 00:05:38.120 drive in on into the abortion center, and you could tell she was like 80 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:42.920 getting tense, getting plustered, and so kind of as a last resort, 81 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.680 because I thought I'm going to lose her anyway. She's about to drive away 82 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.350 because of this pro abortion person telling her to do so. So I said 83 00:05:49.350 --> 00:05:53.709 again, what would I asked? I had already asked her, do you 84 00:05:53.829 --> 00:05:58.389 believe in the Lord? She nodded, and then I said, well, 85 00:05:58.470 --> 00:06:01.110 what would God have you do? As the PROPORT is standing there screaming at 86 00:06:01.149 --> 00:06:06.540 her, and she she looked like she was about to choke back really choke 87 00:06:06.660 --> 00:06:12.660 back sobs and then drove forward and I saw her slow down. I thought 88 00:06:12.699 --> 00:06:16.100 she was going to keep going and she ended up turning into the abortion center. 89 00:06:16.899 --> 00:06:21.850 So I just really I don't beat myself up. I realized that the 90 00:06:21.970 --> 00:06:26.569 Holy Spirit needs to do his thing and and I do my thing, which 91 00:06:26.569 --> 00:06:29.329 is obedient to his call, and I do my best at the moment. 92 00:06:29.810 --> 00:06:33.759 But I do analyze in both those cases, should I have held off? 93 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:41.399 It was the timing of that statement not quite the right time? Should I 94 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:46.199 have paused, told more about the resources, talked more about the grief that, 95 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.870 especially with the second one, right, that she was clearly feeling. 96 00:06:51.310 --> 00:06:56.310 And so the the first thing is we all need to be aware of the 97 00:06:56.470 --> 00:07:00.990 timing. You can say the right thing at the wrong time and have it 98 00:07:00.110 --> 00:07:04.259 be counter productive. Yeah, yeah, I know. Just for you guys 99 00:07:04.339 --> 00:07:10.980 listening. I do want to strongly discourage you from walking on eggshells and always 100 00:07:11.019 --> 00:07:14.300 being fearful that you're going to say the wrong thing at the wrong time. 101 00:07:15.220 --> 00:07:18.730 Right, to speak God's word and really to put the results in God's hands 102 00:07:18.850 --> 00:07:23.410 is what we've always taught you, guys, what we've always encourage you speak 103 00:07:23.490 --> 00:07:26.649 the truth of God's word, put the results in God's hands. However, 104 00:07:27.290 --> 00:07:30.519 there there is timing. They're in every situation can be different too. So 105 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.600 that's why I'm you know, I'm not going to give you. We're not 106 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:34.680 going to be able to give you. Here's the perfect time to say this. 107 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:39.759 Here's a perfect time to say that. I think probably more than anything, 108 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:43.639 just knowing that timing does matter. Right as that, if you're you're 109 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.110 in the kind of the chain of a conversation, stringing one thought to another, 110 00:07:47.189 --> 00:07:50.670 thought to another thought, that it's really best for us to hold back 111 00:07:50.829 --> 00:07:57.310 those kind of stinging statements for kind of the very last yeah, I think 112 00:07:57.310 --> 00:08:00.339 that's probably timing. There's a scripture here that comes to mind. I quote 113 00:08:00.339 --> 00:08:01.779 it off and actually, you guys, if you've listened to this podcast or 114 00:08:01.819 --> 00:08:07.660 an amount of time, you've probably heard me quote this so proverbs twenty seven, 115 00:08:07.779 --> 00:08:11.339 verse fourteen, he who blesses his friend with a loud voice, rising 116 00:08:11.379 --> 00:08:16.089 early in the morning, it will be counted a curse to him. So 117 00:08:18.050 --> 00:08:20.050 it's talking about the blessing, like you want to bless your friend. It's 118 00:08:20.089 --> 00:08:24.490 like going to your friend's house at four o'clock in the morning, I love 119 00:08:24.610 --> 00:08:28.639 you, you're my best friend, and with all the love that you have 120 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.600 for your friend in your heart, saying this loudly early in the morning. 121 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:37.360 So the loud voice, the timing, early in the morning, Oh that's 122 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.429 not that's a no Goo for your friend. He's going to receive it as 123 00:08:41.470 --> 00:08:45.429 a curse. You're cursing him actually, even though your intentions are well and 124 00:08:45.549 --> 00:08:48.789 so I think again, rather than just walking on eggshells and always being fearful, 125 00:08:48.830 --> 00:08:52.029 because this is one of the things that keeps people from the sidewalk is 126 00:08:52.029 --> 00:08:56.899 they're afraid they're going to say the wrong thing or something. So we don't 127 00:08:56.940 --> 00:09:00.059 want any of that. But I think what we do, would encourage you 128 00:09:00.059 --> 00:09:03.419 guys to be doing, is to analyze, like if you say something and 129 00:09:03.580 --> 00:09:07.980 it has a particular effect, let's let's say you say, what would God 130 00:09:07.059 --> 00:09:11.289 have you to do? And you see a consistent pattern of it just shuts 131 00:09:11.330 --> 00:09:15.610 the conversation down, then it's probably good to reassess should I be saying that 132 00:09:15.850 --> 00:09:18.929 particular thing at that time. Yeah, I do think that's a good statement. 133 00:09:18.970 --> 00:09:20.889 I do think what we gotta have you to do. To me, 134 00:09:22.090 --> 00:09:26.000 it's it's, in my mind at least, one of those statements that kind 135 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:31.320 of last minute before they're going into the door of the abortion center, that 136 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.480 I'm going to give out what would God have you to do, because it 137 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.830 will hopefully provoke in them the fault of really what God have be doing by 138 00:09:39.950 --> 00:09:43.350 doing what honors the Lord in those car side scenarios. For me personally, 139 00:09:43.710 --> 00:09:46.909 I want to try to be as relational as possible. I want to be 140 00:09:48.230 --> 00:09:52.789 as much of obviously bringing God into the conversation right off the bat. This 141 00:09:52.899 --> 00:09:56.820 idea that we don't mention God, we don't mention religion or Jesus until like 142 00:09:56.139 --> 00:10:01.379 the very last is absurd. Okay, we should mention Jesus. He's on 143 00:10:01.500 --> 00:10:05.940 the forefront of their minds. We're talking what they're already thinking, because even 144 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:09.250 if they don't believe in God, they're still thinking about what God really wants 145 00:10:09.289 --> 00:10:13.889 them to do. Yeah, but making it more relational rather than just because 146 00:10:15.169 --> 00:10:20.049 in reality that statement is more of an accusation than it is really a question. 147 00:10:20.210 --> 00:10:24.080 That question is really a statement of accusation that it really is a question, 148 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.240 although we hope that it provokes thought and a response, not just to 149 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.679 US really, but to themselves, between them and God, you know. 150 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.909 Yeah, so again, don't want you guys to be fearful of saying the 151 00:10:35.990 --> 00:10:41.230 wrong thing, but just reflective of what could be, as far as timing 152 00:10:41.389 --> 00:10:45.110 is concerned, the right time to say whatever it might be. Yeah, 153 00:10:45.429 --> 00:10:48.509 yeah, and actually our second point, which is about adoption. Most of 154 00:10:48.590 --> 00:10:54.059 these points are things that we hear from New People and frequently they'll say, 155 00:10:54.100 --> 00:10:56.899 do you ever talk about adoption? Yeah, Oh gee, we never thought 156 00:10:56.940 --> 00:11:00.980 of it. Wow, because I bad you came along and mention that, 157 00:11:01.059 --> 00:11:05.610 because we never thought about talking about adoption. But overwhelmingly the timing of when 158 00:11:05.649 --> 00:11:09.850 you mentioned adoption. It's not that we never mentioned it, but it is 159 00:11:09.970 --> 00:11:15.169 a it's a conversation shopper, especially if it's early on in the conversation, 160 00:11:15.250 --> 00:11:18.240 if you have exhausted everything and they've said, I did have one mom who 161 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.440 we came to this point and she just said, I just don't want this 162 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:26.639 baby, I cannot parent this baby. Yeah, well then, I then 163 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.159 I brought up adoption. It was still an no. She didn't take me 164 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:31.870 up on it so at all. And and I don't know that I can 165 00:11:31.909 --> 00:11:37.710 remember even a single person ever that I know of that I've personally counseled who 166 00:11:37.710 --> 00:11:43.070 has chosen adoption. Yeah, so, knowing that the timing and the mentioning 167 00:11:43.309 --> 00:11:48.539 of adoption is usually a conversation stop her dead. Matter of fact, if 168 00:11:48.580 --> 00:11:54.059 you want one thing that would stop your conversation dead in its tracks for the 169 00:11:54.100 --> 00:11:58.940 most part, then mention adoption right because most of the time that's going to 170 00:12:00.019 --> 00:12:03.169 just shut the conversation down, especially, I know, within the black community, 171 00:12:03.169 --> 00:12:07.169 and we talked about this with Jessicamlin, who runs option, adoption, 172 00:12:07.289 --> 00:12:11.889 adoption resource. In the black community, adoption is stigmatized in a lot of 173 00:12:11.929 --> 00:12:16.559 ways. Hey, and in many communities, not just the black community but 174 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.840 many communities just in general, adoption and foster care are equated with one another. 175 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.919 It's like you're saying the same thing. That's what they hear. Now, 176 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.360 obviously we know that falster care and adoption or two different things, and 177 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.830 we know the differences. But for many of these women you got to think 178 00:12:31.830 --> 00:12:33.909 again, in the mindset of a young lady who's scared and got all this 179 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:37.870 chaos going on our life for her to do really in her mind break down 180 00:12:37.870 --> 00:12:41.590 the differences. And you try to break down the differences and all this stuff. 181 00:12:41.629 --> 00:12:45.259 It's just it's not it's not a realistic scenario that you're going to be 182 00:12:45.259 --> 00:12:46.460 able to break all that down. They're going to be able to pass through 183 00:12:46.460 --> 00:12:50.539 all of the differences between falster care and adoption and all that stuff. And 184 00:12:52.779 --> 00:12:56.340 somebody asked me this is a while back because I talked about how we don't 185 00:12:56.340 --> 00:12:58.610 mention adoption. You know, when the new people come out, first thing 186 00:12:58.649 --> 00:13:03.370 they say you guys, you've ever thought of mention an adoption offering to adopt 187 00:13:03.370 --> 00:13:07.129 their baby? It's like, Oh yeah, he said, but you came 188 00:13:07.129 --> 00:13:09.809 along, we never thought of course we thought of that, right, but 189 00:13:09.929 --> 00:13:16.919 we don't mention that because it's a conversation stopper and you know you're asking. 190 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.360 This is kind of the way I explained it to this one person who said 191 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:26.230 won't you mention adoption? Is You're really asking someone who's going into a place, 192 00:13:26.230 --> 00:13:30.909 a mother, the about to do one of the most selfish things she 193 00:13:30.990 --> 00:13:35.350 could possibly do to protect herself. Right, all right, by killing her 194 00:13:35.350 --> 00:13:39.190 baby. You know, are quotes. Protect herself. That's the mentality a 195 00:13:39.309 --> 00:13:41.860 lot of times to handle her situation, to take care of her, to 196 00:13:43.379 --> 00:13:46.379 do you. You know she's she's going in to take care of herself. 197 00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:48.460 Look out for number one, one of the most selfish things you could do, 198 00:13:48.500 --> 00:13:52.419 abortion. And you're asking her to go from that, from abortion, 199 00:13:52.659 --> 00:13:54.419 one of the most selfish things you can do, to one of the most 200 00:13:54.419 --> 00:13:58.490 selfless things a mom could do, which is place her baby with another family 201 00:14:00.129 --> 00:14:03.049 that could take care of her child, and she can't. That's one of 202 00:14:03.129 --> 00:14:05.289 those selfless things that a mother can do. Yeah, and you're asking her 203 00:14:05.370 --> 00:14:09.799 to go from zero to a thousand, and so it's it's a no go 204 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:13.879 a lot of times. Yeah, also, I will say, develop a 205 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.159 relationship, and sometimes that has happened where I remember counseling a woman for months 206 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.519 and at the she's almost ready to give birth and at that point she was 207 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.629 ready to hear about adoption, interestingly enough, although once the baby was born, 208 00:14:26.750 --> 00:14:28.870 she immediately changed back to know she would parent the child. Yeah, 209 00:14:30.230 --> 00:14:33.269 which happens a lot. It does, which I will say, and this 210 00:14:33.470 --> 00:14:35.070 is you guys, go back and listen to the episode that we did with 211 00:14:35.110 --> 00:14:39.379 Jessica Maulan where she talked about this. I think it's a very important episode, 212 00:14:39.379 --> 00:14:43.779 yeah, for everyone to listen to, because I've seen people in front 213 00:14:43.779 --> 00:14:46.899 of the abortion centers yelling will adopt your baby, will adopt your baby, 214 00:14:46.940 --> 00:14:50.860 and they're like wondering why no one's taking them up on that offer. Right, 215 00:14:52.500 --> 00:14:56.409 it's because, again, that kind of whole selfishness, selflessness scenario. 216 00:14:56.730 --> 00:15:00.330 And then I will say to again, with that stigma about adoption and foster 217 00:15:00.450 --> 00:15:03.730 care within the black community and especially at Latrobe, the abortion centers in Charlotte, 218 00:15:03.850 --> 00:15:07.080 most of the women that go in our African American most are black women. 219 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:13.919 And when you're out there, upper middle class white person yelling out to 220 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.360 a young lady who's black, who you know is really looking at you, 221 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.990 is here this upple minute upper middle class white person telling them when you say 222 00:15:22.389 --> 00:15:26.269 I'll adopt your baby, you're basically saying, Hey, young black lady, 223 00:15:26.269 --> 00:15:28.149 you can't take care of your kid, let me, a rich white person, 224 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:31.230 take care your guys. Like, how's that sound? Right? That's 225 00:15:31.269 --> 00:15:33.669 not what we imply yeah, but a lot of time that's what's being heard 226 00:15:33.789 --> 00:15:37.899 and we need to understand that. Yeah, and so really, if we 227 00:15:37.980 --> 00:15:41.059 are mentioning an option, it's going to be at the tail end of the 228 00:15:41.100 --> 00:15:48.019 conversation. It's going to be when all almost they're convinced that abortion is the 229 00:15:48.059 --> 00:15:50.330 wrong thing, but they don't really see any other option. They really can't 230 00:15:50.370 --> 00:15:56.330 pair at the child. When they can't pair that child, obviously adoption should 231 00:15:56.330 --> 00:15:58.409 be an option for them. Right. Yeah, there's ways to do it. 232 00:15:58.570 --> 00:16:03.250 There's ministries option adoption is one of those that we connect with that can 233 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.440 help make that connection. But something we've learned is that it's definitely not a 234 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:15.279 conversation starter, it's a conversation stopper. Yeah, for sure that. The 235 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:18.149 next point is that your tone matters, and in that that verse that you 236 00:16:18.190 --> 00:16:22.590 quoted that really talks about that, because he's spoken a loud voice. Now, 237 00:16:22.110 --> 00:16:26.669 I guess loud isn't necessarily tone, but it can be. Yeah, 238 00:16:26.710 --> 00:16:32.029 but if you've got an angry, bitter, loud, nasty tone, it 239 00:16:32.350 --> 00:16:37.659 again you. This is not going to draw people to you. So if 240 00:16:37.700 --> 00:16:42.740 you have self righteous anchor in your heart, as you are, as you're 241 00:16:42.779 --> 00:16:48.769 calling out to the women, then that's going to be communicated. That's what 242 00:16:48.850 --> 00:16:51.850 they're going to here and they are not going to come and talk to you. 243 00:16:52.450 --> 00:16:55.330 So you again, you can say the right thing, not only at 244 00:16:55.370 --> 00:17:00.529 the wrong time, but also in with the wrong tone. Yeah, and 245 00:17:00.610 --> 00:17:03.160 if you say the right thing with the wrong tone, they don't hear the 246 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.640 right thing. What they connect with this the tone. Yeah, absolutely. 247 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:12.680 You can talk about how how bad abortion is, you can talk about you 248 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:15.549 can talk about the resources that are available and do it in an angry, 249 00:17:15.589 --> 00:17:19.910 accusatory tone. Tone, you could say something like we have resources available for 250 00:17:21.109 --> 00:17:22.829 you and you think about that. Why don't you just come and talk with 251 00:17:22.910 --> 00:17:26.630 that? Yeah, everything you need to think about. We have resources available 252 00:17:26.670 --> 00:17:30.299 for you once you's come and talk to us. How does that sound? 253 00:17:30.339 --> 00:17:33.660 Versus we have resources available for you, would you please just come and talk 254 00:17:33.700 --> 00:17:38.059 to us? Like that's more inviting. Right, one tone. I mean 255 00:17:38.140 --> 00:17:41.980 just think about just the inflection, just the tone itself. Sounded accusatory. 256 00:17:42.019 --> 00:17:47.009 Yeah, when I change it a little bit, same words, it sounded 257 00:17:47.089 --> 00:17:49.250 more inviting. Yeah, it's our tone. Yeah, can set the tone, 258 00:17:49.289 --> 00:17:53.170 even an angry tone. We would come across as I mean you can 259 00:17:53.250 --> 00:17:56.930 say, yeah, say something like this, young lady. Abortion is murder. 260 00:17:57.250 --> 00:18:00.799 It destroyed is the life of your baby. Like that sounds to me, 261 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:04.440 you tell me, like a loving way to say you're about to murder 262 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:11.160 your kid. It's giving a pleading, pleading voice, speaking the truth. 263 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.349 Yes, opposed to yeah, I mean, if I were to say, 264 00:18:14.829 --> 00:18:17.509 and Letty, abortion is murder, why don't you just come and talk to 265 00:18:17.589 --> 00:18:21.069 us, you know, it's like yeah, there's like an accusatory tone. 266 00:18:21.150 --> 00:18:25.710 Yeah, same words, but the tone and inflection in your voice can mean 267 00:18:25.869 --> 00:18:30.779 a lot. Yeah, now I think again, not. We don't want 268 00:18:30.779 --> 00:18:33.380 you guys walking on eggshells, always afraid you're going to use the wrong tone. 269 00:18:33.740 --> 00:18:40.579 But just being conscious of that, I think our tone actually, you 270 00:18:40.700 --> 00:18:44.130 know, Jesus said from the depths of the heart, the mouth speaks. 271 00:18:44.529 --> 00:18:48.289 If we show up at the abortion center thinking that we're better than them and 272 00:18:48.490 --> 00:18:52.450 that we got it all together and we need to set them straight, that 273 00:18:53.569 --> 00:18:56.519 we're the children of God and they're the wicked, and we show up with 274 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:02.400 this attitude of somehow we're better than them rather than an attitude of humility before 275 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:06.160 the Lord, then that will come across in our tone. That's my so 276 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:10.069 important. That we ourselves be before the Lord in prayer, that we are 277 00:19:10.109 --> 00:19:12.549 seeking God, that we see the truth of who we are in the side 278 00:19:12.589 --> 00:19:17.230 of a holy God, and also, of course, we experience his mercy, 279 00:19:17.390 --> 00:19:21.710 his kindness toward us, then we're able to come with mercy and kindness 280 00:19:21.710 --> 00:19:23.819 toward others. So I think this, as far as our tone can really 281 00:19:23.859 --> 00:19:29.059 be a manifestation of what's in our hearts. And so if you show about 282 00:19:29.059 --> 00:19:32.660 the abortion center on a consistent basis and you get an angry tone, you've 283 00:19:32.660 --> 00:19:36.019 got an accusatory tone. I think it's time to get in the presence of 284 00:19:36.059 --> 00:19:37.339 the Lord and see other's some things in my heart, Lord, that I 285 00:19:37.420 --> 00:19:41.329 need to get right with you. I so agree with that. That kind 286 00:19:41.329 --> 00:19:45.369 of makes me a little Trie Ei'd because this very morning I was walking along 287 00:19:45.410 --> 00:19:48.809 at praying, as I always do on mornings. I actually didn't come to 288 00:19:48.890 --> 00:19:52.519 sidewalk, but I thought I would. And and I was remember marine my 289 00:19:52.599 --> 00:20:00.440 own abortion past and feeling very weepy, and and and was then thinking I'm 290 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.279 grateful to God that he does bring that back, because what it does is 291 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:11.309 it reminds me that I have that in my past. Yeah, and and 292 00:20:11.910 --> 00:20:18.109 so the people that I am counseling and calling out to, I can approach 293 00:20:18.190 --> 00:20:22.019 them with more compassion. I was thanking God, saying I think this gives 294 00:20:22.059 --> 00:20:26.500 me compassion, this ability, much as I don't want to remember it, 295 00:20:26.539 --> 00:20:30.900 it does give me the ability to be more compassionate and Hind in kind in 296 00:20:32.099 --> 00:20:36.210 my tone. Yeah, you think about the story Jesus gives, and I'm 297 00:20:36.210 --> 00:20:38.690 a probably slaughter the story, but you guys know it, where Jesus is 298 00:20:38.809 --> 00:20:42.890 talking about two men that went to the temple. One was weeping, wailing 299 00:20:44.009 --> 00:20:47.529 and right repenting before the for the Lord. I'm a sinner, don't deserve 300 00:20:47.569 --> 00:20:51.839 your mercy, and one is, one was a Publican and one was the 301 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.400 Pharisee, or one of the religious guy. It's like he the religious gay. 302 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:59.720 The pharisee praised God. I thank you that I'm not like this, 303 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:03.680 this tax collector, as this guy. Yeah, and I thank you that 304 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.109 I'm righteous. And it's like which one of these is justified? It's the 305 00:21:07.230 --> 00:21:08.829 one whose heart was broken before the Lord. I. We need to have 306 00:21:08.950 --> 00:21:14.069 a heart broken before the Lord for the women. But also even today, 307 00:21:14.269 --> 00:21:17.630 like one of the pro boorts came up to me and just said something that 308 00:21:17.750 --> 00:21:22.420 was I mean she didn't mean it to be really she didn't mean it to 309 00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:25.019 show what was in her heart. I'm not going to go through all what 310 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:26.460 it was because these people are whacked out, so I'm not going to give 311 00:21:26.460 --> 00:21:30.180 a more airtime than they need. But it actually broke my heart the way 312 00:21:30.259 --> 00:21:34.250 she said it. There was almost like this from her perspective, there was 313 00:21:34.369 --> 00:21:41.089 this kind of built into the world, this this need to always like, 314 00:21:41.730 --> 00:21:45.130 I don't know, just wish I could spell it out a little more, 315 00:21:45.170 --> 00:21:51.200 but explain herself in such a way like I actually have goodness to find her 316 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:55.720 actions being out there in a way. Not that if I could break the 317 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:56.960 story out a little more than I would, but I can't do that. 318 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:02.710 But reality is like what was seen in the story that she was telling, 319 00:22:02.750 --> 00:22:07.349 and what she was saying is that she's always paranoid of people doing evil to 320 00:22:07.470 --> 00:22:11.789 her, like what a terrible life to live, and I remember living that 321 00:22:11.950 --> 00:22:15.299 life. I remember when I was in sane living in rebellion to God none. 322 00:22:15.420 --> 00:22:18.420 I couldn't trust any of my friends and still from you. That's stab 323 00:22:18.500 --> 00:22:21.339 you in the back, and that's kind of what she was speaking from, 324 00:22:21.420 --> 00:22:25.059 just this idea of you can't trust anybody. Yeah, like, man, 325 00:22:25.140 --> 00:22:30.089 what a heartbreaking world to live in, right, and US almost are weeping's 326 00:22:30.089 --> 00:22:33.690 done out there on and on the sidewalk. Yeah, because of this kind 327 00:22:33.690 --> 00:22:37.329 of just I don't know, my heart was was broken, not because I'm 328 00:22:37.369 --> 00:22:41.089 so great or anything, but I just realized the world I came from. 329 00:22:41.089 --> 00:22:44.559 Yeah, and so I guess this is kind of going a little long on 330 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.799 this point that your tone matters, but really from the depths of the heart 331 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:49.559 of the mouth speaks. And if our heart is broken, in our heart 332 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.759 is a heart of humility and compassion, because we see what God has brought 333 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.720 us from, then that's going to come out of our mouths. Right. 334 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:00.390 So yeah, more than anything, just just keep that in mind. Yeah, 335 00:23:00.630 --> 00:23:04.269 and and that goes along with our next point about righteous anger rarely helps 336 00:23:04.349 --> 00:23:08.230 the situation there. there. Certainly it's a place for righteous anger out there. 337 00:23:08.509 --> 00:23:15.259 What's happening there is a horrific affront to a holy God and rebellion, 338 00:23:15.740 --> 00:23:19.819 but it almost never draws people to us. And if our goal is to 339 00:23:19.940 --> 00:23:27.049 have them their hearts change towards God and towards those babies, than usually the 340 00:23:27.250 --> 00:23:33.089 counterintuitive way to deal with them is with mercy grace and love. Yeah, 341 00:23:33.569 --> 00:23:37.170 even in the midst of their anger and even in the midst of their nastiness 342 00:23:37.289 --> 00:23:41.640 towards us, which we do see. And again, that's not a natural 343 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.400 response. That it's not a natural human response to respond to people being angry 344 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:52.680 with you or persecute your whatever, to respond with love. Yeah, but 345 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.549 I think that that is the more effective way, yeah, to respond out 346 00:23:56.549 --> 00:24:00.470 there. Yeah, I mean I think there's listen, to be angry is 347 00:24:00.670 --> 00:24:04.950 to be human, yeah, and also to be angry in a lot of 348 00:24:04.990 --> 00:24:10.779 ways is to be righteous. Yeah, Jesus got angry right. Yeah, 349 00:24:11.140 --> 00:24:15.059 it's righteous to be angry with wickedness going on. That's that's true. Yeah, 350 00:24:17.180 --> 00:24:19.619 but also the Bible says the anger of Man Does Not work the righteousness 351 00:24:19.660 --> 00:24:23.259 of God. So you can have this righteous anger and indignation toward the wickedness 352 00:24:23.289 --> 00:24:27.329 that goes on out there. You can have it without it manifesting itself in 353 00:24:29.089 --> 00:24:32.849 an angry tone and an angry voice and an angry facial expression. Yeah, 354 00:24:33.130 --> 00:24:37.250 you can yield that stuff to the Lord. And, given this volatile situation 355 00:24:37.529 --> 00:24:41.279 that being at an abortion center is a lot of times it's hard for you 356 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:45.279 to discern whether or not the anger that you're feeling is righteous anger or carnal 357 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.480 anger? Yeah, so let's just put anger on the shelf while we're out 358 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:53.309 there as best we can and let the Lord through us. If God wants 359 00:24:53.309 --> 00:24:56.470 to deal with them in an angry way, let him. He can do 360 00:24:56.630 --> 00:25:00.589 that in a righteous way every time. God's anger is always righteous, right. 361 00:25:00.789 --> 00:25:04.950 God never manifests his anger in an unrageous and unrighteous way. Sadly, 362 00:25:06.069 --> 00:25:10.019 often times, our anger that we want to sanitize and calls will call it 363 00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:14.019 righteous anger, but in reality it's his carnal anger. Yeah, it's not 364 00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:18.859 always righteous. Right, our anger is oftentimes unrighteous. Anger's this anger of 365 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:23.730 the flesh. So I kind of try to take the posture of putting anger 366 00:25:23.809 --> 00:25:27.369 on the shelf. Yeah, while I'm out there, let God do the 367 00:25:27.410 --> 00:25:30.450 angry stuff. Right, let him deal with him his wrath, and I'll 368 00:25:30.490 --> 00:25:36.240 do you're speaking the truth of God, Confronting Evil in a gracious way. 369 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.519 So yeah, that's what I would say on that point and prevent hopefully prevented 370 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:47.519 it escalating. Yeah, being really good listeners, even though the reason sometimes 371 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.990 that you hear for why they're there are just, frankly, stupid. Oh 372 00:25:51.029 --> 00:25:55.150 yeah, they're they're stupid, they're wrong, they're right, evil, wicked. 373 00:25:55.349 --> 00:26:00.710 But you still need to listen, and I think the the hard discernment 374 00:26:00.910 --> 00:26:07.539 comes in with Listen Long enough to so that they feel heard. Yeah, 375 00:26:07.660 --> 00:26:12.180 but not so long that you're allowing them to rationalize and justify what they're about 376 00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:18.500 to do. That's a fine balance that I think comes with experience. But 377 00:26:18.369 --> 00:26:25.890 along the same lines, smiling, kindness and offering help literally to murderers, 378 00:26:26.089 --> 00:26:30.769 people who are intending to murder, is not I think the net are natural 379 00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:33.799 way that we would want to respond to someone that we feel is doing something, 380 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.440 that we know is doing something that is so awful. Yeah, but 381 00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:45.079 again, if they feel that you really do care and you're showing that in 382 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:51.069 your demeanor, in your words, in your tone, it's more likely to 383 00:26:51.829 --> 00:26:55.670 bring them to speak to you. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean 384 00:26:55.990 --> 00:27:00.990 the reality is we have to knowledge that there is a lot of confusion. 385 00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:04.140 There's a lot of confusion in society, right, and there's a lot of 386 00:27:04.299 --> 00:27:07.700 confusion, confusion in the lives of these women. Do they know that they're 387 00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:12.339 murdering their child? Many do, right, but there is so much demonic 388 00:27:12.460 --> 00:27:18.690 confusion, so much relational confusion, with family members, their boyfriend, friends 389 00:27:18.730 --> 00:27:21.609 telling them they should have bore, one friend tell him they shouldn't, all 390 00:27:21.650 --> 00:27:23.690 aunt telling them they should, their mom saying you should. You know, 391 00:27:25.410 --> 00:27:29.130 all of these things that are spoken people their pastor telling them that God's okay 392 00:27:29.210 --> 00:27:32.400 with it or what you know, all these things, all these voices speaking 393 00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:36.079 into their lives, are so much confusion there. Yeah, and so do 394 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.440 they know they're murdering? Yes, but it's been covered up and it's been 395 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.720 all these other voices as have drowned out the voice of truth. So for 396 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.549 us just to go out there angry, just with a smirk on our face 397 00:27:47.670 --> 00:27:49.430 and just letting them all have it, telling them all they're going to burn 398 00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:55.710 in hell, that might be I mean you could justify that biblically, yeah, 399 00:27:55.750 --> 00:27:56.789 but is that going to be the effective way to do it and is 400 00:27:56.789 --> 00:28:00.339 that going to be the godhonoring way to do it? I don't think so. 401 00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:03.900 Yeah, it hasn't been my experience that it's ever effective right. Using 402 00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:07.180 the word murderer, I think, is again a showstopper that just going to 403 00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:12.809 run away from us. Offering though prayer, sometimes even to the most stony 404 00:28:12.930 --> 00:28:18.329 faced, angry people who have said I don't believe in God, I don't 405 00:28:18.329 --> 00:28:22.970 want to hear anything about your God. And I have had or seen people 406 00:28:23.089 --> 00:28:30.000 just completely turn around with a really heartfelt, sincere prayer and I have not 407 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.079 had many say no, please don't pray for me if I offer prayer. 408 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.880 But recently this, this did happen just this past week on when someone was 409 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:44.990 on the mobile ultrasound unit and she just was flat affect, wasn't wasn't responding 410 00:28:45.029 --> 00:28:48.230 to anything, even seeing her baby on the ultrasound screen. But at the 411 00:28:48.309 --> 00:28:52.470 very end she actually said to me, are you going to pray? And 412 00:28:52.589 --> 00:28:56.700 I thought at first she was mocking me. Yeah, but I said sure 413 00:28:56.059 --> 00:29:00.460 and I started praying and she started crying. It was the first show of 414 00:29:00.579 --> 00:29:03.779 emotion I had seen. So I think I've heard you say this before, 415 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:08.380 Daniel, that somewhere in all of our hearts we all know God, we 416 00:29:08.539 --> 00:29:11.650 know he's there, we know he's real. That's certainly what the Bible says. 417 00:29:11.690 --> 00:29:15.369 All Creation Declares his glory. Yeah, so that none are without excuse. 418 00:29:15.809 --> 00:29:22.450 So don't be afraid to offer a sincere prayer. Yeah, and and 419 00:29:22.730 --> 00:29:29.039 sometimes I can open doors totally unexpectedly. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 420 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:36.200 one of my favorites on our points that we mention is don't give up 421 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:41.190 and persistence, persistence, Pace. Sometimes you feel like you're knacking. I 422 00:29:41.549 --> 00:29:45.670 excel in this area, as you know. Yes, you have what I 423 00:29:45.789 --> 00:29:48.670 call a NAG anointing. That is correct. If I ask you those you 424 00:29:48.710 --> 00:29:52.220 are listening to this podcast and you know me. If I ask you to 425 00:29:52.299 --> 00:29:56.539 do something and I'm going to ask you to do something, that's you. 426 00:29:56.180 --> 00:30:00.579 You helpful to the ministry or whatever. If you don't do that thing, 427 00:30:00.380 --> 00:30:04.980 that I will unleash Vickio and your weel see, will have you doing it. 428 00:30:06.619 --> 00:30:11.009 She has a Nag annointing, I do, and as so. I 429 00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:18.009 had actually a suicidal woman that, through a series of text I thought literally 430 00:30:18.329 --> 00:30:21.559 was dead. She had done it, she'd committed suicide, and through the 431 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.359 words of a friend, I ended up connecting with the police, who checked 432 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.519 on her. She turned out to be alive and she hadn't been the one 433 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.960 that it texted me that she was dead. Anyway, I just continued to 434 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:38.990 to persist in that she needed to get help. Yeah, she needed to 435 00:30:40.069 --> 00:30:45.230 talk with a suicide hotline. Yeah, and and that, and I continue 436 00:30:45.309 --> 00:30:48.829 to text her every single day and she has come around to the point where 437 00:30:48.829 --> 00:30:53.940 yesterday she actually she did finally connect with a counselor and she thanks me for 438 00:30:55.220 --> 00:30:57.099 will base. Yes, Oh, yes, it's focus on the family. 439 00:30:57.380 --> 00:31:03.900 You'll do suicide counseling and and Christian counseling and we'll connect them with local resources. 440 00:31:03.940 --> 00:31:06.690 That's what I wanted to happen, was for her to be connected with 441 00:31:06.809 --> 00:31:08.529 the local resource. And she kept saying it'll do no good, it'll do 442 00:31:08.650 --> 00:31:12.450 no good, and I just would not stop nagging her. And and there 443 00:31:12.529 --> 00:31:18.529 is a scripture that I cling to because of this personality traite of mine about 444 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.920 I don't know the exact reference, but where the the woman that the judge 445 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.400 finally grants which she persisted with it because of the pers is it because she 446 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:32.559 just won't shut up? She won't stop nagging? Generally, it's what that 447 00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:36.589 saying. And in the end this woman wrote a text that said I want 448 00:31:36.630 --> 00:31:38.910 to thank you for your persistence and I said I like that. where I 449 00:31:40.029 --> 00:31:42.109 like that. Are saider than let good work. What Daniel says about me. 450 00:31:42.430 --> 00:31:47.460 Yeah, well, I've heard that more than one time. Yeah, 451 00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:51.460 I've heard moms that have chosen life. Yeah, I remember one young lady. 452 00:31:51.700 --> 00:31:55.140 This is a couple of years ago that chose life, and one of 453 00:31:55.180 --> 00:31:57.220 the things that she said she went in and out of the abortion center like 454 00:31:57.500 --> 00:32:04.049 five times and every time she came out and every time she went back in, 455 00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:07.289 back and forth to her car, someone was calling out to her. 456 00:32:07.569 --> 00:32:12.089 And it's kind of counterintuitive because you think, well, after they've already went 457 00:32:12.170 --> 00:32:15.130 in and out a couple of times, you need to just leave them along 458 00:32:15.130 --> 00:32:16.279 because's just going to tick them off, right, and you're thinking, let 459 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.720 him process it. Yeah, which can be the cavy right. Yeah, 460 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.079 you led by the Holy Spirit, but for the most part someone is not 461 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:27.000 going to come out of that abortion center and go to their car without being 462 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.710 addressed, right, and someone's not going to go back to the abortion center 463 00:32:30.789 --> 00:32:32.869 from their car without being addressed. We're going to call out to them. 464 00:32:34.430 --> 00:32:37.789 I don't until they tell me to f off right or whatever. I'm gonna 465 00:32:37.829 --> 00:32:42.549 be persistent because I've seen it and I know what's going on. I know 466 00:32:42.670 --> 00:32:45.940 this fight in their mind, is in their hearts, under the Devil's coming 467 00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:49.579 speaking lies you, that age old battle between life and death. It's going 468 00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:52.220 on in their mind and their heart, that battle between the flesh and the 469 00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:53.900 spirit and you know, we all know that battle. Yeah, that's going 470 00:32:53.980 --> 00:32:58.500 on. I want to tip the scale to life right, and so I'm 471 00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:01.809 going to keep speaking until again they tell me to blink off. I'm going 472 00:33:01.890 --> 00:33:07.890 to keep addressing them because I've seen it break through. One thing that was 473 00:33:07.970 --> 00:33:12.490 said right, just was the thing that they were looking for. They were 474 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.400 like I've said in the past, these women are grasping for two things. 475 00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:22.720 They're grasping for justification to a board and they're grasping for some reason to leave. 476 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:24.880 Yeah, and maybe you being persistent, calling out every time they go 477 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.710 in and out. Is that that one thing that they are grasping for will 478 00:33:29.710 --> 00:33:31.829 be said? Yeah, and that leads to the last point. We skipped 479 00:33:31.829 --> 00:33:35.349 over a few but I don't want this to go too long. We are 480 00:33:35.430 --> 00:33:38.710 going to put this bullet point list out with the podcast. But that leads 481 00:33:38.750 --> 00:33:43.140 to the last point that, even though you may not perceive it, there 482 00:33:43.299 --> 00:33:47.339 is always conflict, there is always conflict in their heart, and know that. 483 00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:53.380 Speak to that and don't give up trying to reach that, that kernel 484 00:33:53.420 --> 00:33:58.890 of conflict and be able to tip the scale. The scale is it's tipping 485 00:33:58.970 --> 00:34:01.490 from one way to another, even if you're not seeing that visibly on their 486 00:34:01.569 --> 00:34:06.329 face or their their demeanor, and so don't give up until that baby stead 487 00:34:06.410 --> 00:34:08.969 yeah, really. Yeah, the notion that women come to an abortion center 488 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:13.119 and that they have their mind made up that's why they're there, is that? 489 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.679 That's false notion. Yeah, women are conflicted. It doesn't matter what 490 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.079 their religious, political, whatever persuasion is. There is conflict, even a 491 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.590 thread of conflict, if not a bunch of conflict, in their hearts and 492 00:34:25.630 --> 00:34:31.190 then their minds, and we want to help that conflict go in the right 493 00:34:31.269 --> 00:34:35.949 direction, direction of life and toward the Lord. So right. So keep 494 00:34:35.949 --> 00:34:39.219 nagging, keep nagging. If don't give up, keep nagging being snaggingly, 495 00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:45.179 nicely, night nack with a correct tone, Yep, and the good time, 496 00:34:45.500 --> 00:34:49.219 Yep. Yeah, and Yeah, God's going to use you, guys. 497 00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:52.889 Hope this was an encouragement. Hope that we taught you guys something and 498 00:34:52.969 --> 00:34:57.329 we hope that you will share this podcast with others. If you have other 499 00:34:57.449 --> 00:35:00.170 episodes, other subjects you'd like for us to cover, you can reach out 500 00:35:00.210 --> 00:35:02.809 to me, Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You reach hurt Vicky at 501 00:35:02.889 --> 00:35:06.730 Love Life Dot Org. Vicki with a why at the end of it. 502 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:08.960 Love Life Dot Org. We love to hear from you, but until next 503 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:16.320 time, God bless cat. That's you all. Give me our love for 504 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:29.750 love. Give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me 505 00:35:29.949 --> 00:35:37.659 my life. Nothing's too precious in some you