Case Study - High Risk Pregnancy

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.679 And then the even more wonderful additional end of the story. She stood up 2 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:15.080 and she she was horrified by the callous, hardheartedness and even just joking manner 3 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:18.399 of so many of the women in there as they're about to kill their baby. 4 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:22.399 While she's going through all of this ankst yeah, she saw one other 5 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:27.640 couple sitting in the waiting room and she said she knew looking at them that 6 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:31.280 they were struggling with this decision. Yeah, she went over to them and 7 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:35.960 said, I'm going to leave, I'm going to keep my baby. You 8 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:41.119 don't have to stay here. You know you can leave too. I Am 9 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:46.280 Yours, I am yours, I am yours. And Me, Lord, 10 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:52.200 I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pray 11 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:57.600 Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro 12 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.560 life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. 13 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:15.640 I felt show Passih touchs your Lord, use me love. Welcome back to 14 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.439 the Gospel centered pro life podcast. We appreciate you, guys, joining us 15 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:26.799 as always, and with this episode we're going to do something that we haven't 16 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:29.680 done in a while. We're going to do a case study on. By 17 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:33.159 the way, I forgot to mention I'm Daniel Parks. I'm Vicky cassier. 18 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.519 Yes, she is. So, yeah, we're going to jump into a 19 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:42.719 case study and basically a story that's played out and I think is still playing 20 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:47.640 out, yeah, of a mom that chose life that we met, Vicky 21 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:51.599 met, at the abortion center. Now, I think these are helpful because 22 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:55.640 we kind of share with you the flow of things, some of the initial 23 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.640 conversations, how that went, how things progressed for her to choose life and 24 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:02.760 some of the connections that were made. I think this kind of gives you 25 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:08.960 guys, a real world view of our interactions with the mom that chooses life 26 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:13.240 and some of the things that are helpful, maybe some of the things that 27 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.319 we learned along the way. And so we're going to be talking in this. 28 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:21.240 We're going to call her we mama tea. Mama Tea, okay, 29 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:23.240 so first name starts with tea. Will give you that much, but we 30 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:28.000 obviously don't want to anything further, so we just call her tea. I 31 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.719 guess it's Talk Tea, all right, and tea is in a high risk 32 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:38.319 maternity situation and this is one of those. Yeah, it's rare, but 33 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:43.240 not super rare, like we encounter these at the abortion center quite often. 34 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:46.719 I guess I'll us. I will tell you I often hear from my mom 35 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.199 that it's high risk. Yeah, but that's not always the truth, right, 36 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.319 right. So we're going to talk about some of that as well. 37 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:57.319 And so hopefully this will help equip you, guys and help give you some 38 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.759 confidence if you encounter this situation, or maybe you have already encountered a situation 39 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:06.000 like this. Some of these principles, some of this experience will hopefully help 40 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.000 equip you and, yeah, keep you moving forward and help you be as 41 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:15.759 effective as possible and maybe you can learn from our mistakes, because we make 42 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:20.120 them from time to time. Yeah, this one, this one really was 43 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.360 a really I think it's a really good case to discuss because there are a 44 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.840 lot of components to it that I think can train and help people. But 45 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.159 this woman pulled up to the driveway of the abortion center, she was about 46 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:37.560 to turn in. She stopped, wrote down her window, stopped for me 47 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.840 and I instantly handed her the literature. Right, that's step number one. 48 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:47.360 Even before I say hi. I am saying hi as I'm handing her the 49 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:51.759 literature. They almost always then take it. Hi, my name is Vicky. 50 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:54.919 We have hope and help available for you. And before I could say 51 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:01.360 much further, she said, look, I really appreciate what you're doing here. 52 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:05.719 I don't hear that often, right, but she and and her eyes 53 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:11.400 instantly are already watering. I appreciate what what you're doing here. I don't 54 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.639 want to be here, but I have no choice. I will die if 55 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.680 I have this baby. Yeah, is what she said. So, like 56 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:23.240 I said, I've heard this this many times. Many times it turns out 57 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:28.319 it was not true, but she I immediately asked her then, what's going 58 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:30.680 on? Yeah, I'm really saw sorry. What's going on? And she 59 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:34.439 said she had a young baby at home who she almost died when that baby 60 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:40.839 was born because her her uterus ruptured. Yeah, and I know that is 61 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:46.040 serious, and so she had not had enough time since that rupture before she 62 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:51.920 was now pregnant again, and she said that her doctor had said that that 63 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:58.839 she would die. That's that's the first part of the scenario. Yeah, 64 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:03.160 that's pretty heavy situation to be encountering there for sure. Yeah, yeah, 65 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.199 and, like you said, to hear from her, I appreciate what you 66 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:11.600 guys are doing here. What she's done in a sense, which is kind 67 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:18.279 of understandable, is she's distant, disconnected herself from abortion exactly and really just, 68 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:24.759 well, that's what people like. They do the people who are inside 69 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.600 of there already or whatever. But I'm not like that. My situation is 70 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.120 different, which her situation is different in the sense that she's in a Harris 71 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.399 maternity situation. Parent, yeah, but it's not different in the sense that 72 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:39.160 she still would be going in there to take the life of her babies. 73 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:43.399 That needs to be like we've always said, we've got to meet these women 74 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:48.680 with compassion, as silly sometimes as their circumstances might seem to us. We 75 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:54.279 have to meet him with compassion. As heavy as their situations seem to us, 76 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.600 and this is a heavy situation, we still have to meet them with 77 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.000 compassion. Compassion is we of passion. We have to suffer with him, 78 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:04.839 as we're passion you probably, you guysn't probably Hurd me say that compassion, 79 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:11.519 if you break it down the prefixes with calm means with and the word passion 80 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.240 means suffering. We have to suffer with them, and so I know you 81 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.079 did, identifying with her pains she's already crying, right. Yeah, got 82 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.560 to connect with them on that level because what they're going through is pretty heavy, 83 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:24.920 right. And so that was, you know, and there's some other 84 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:29.040 principles that I didn't write down in the article that we accompany this podcast with, 85 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.079 but things getting the information in their hands right away, smiling, waving, 86 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:36.279 showing that your trustworthy and friendly. But I did say I'm sorry several 87 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:41.240 times, and then asking what's going on, getting their story if she was 88 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.399 willing to tell me. So, you know, I I instantly did say, 89 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:49.439 I feel terrible for you, I am so sorry, but but listen, 90 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:55.279 we have a high risk doctor that can talk with you for for free. 91 00:06:55.399 --> 00:07:00.480 Have you gotten a second opinion? And that's always an important thing, 92 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:05.600 thing to mention. But Um, she she stopped when I said that and 93 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:11.560 kind of adapt at her eyes and and said, I, I, I 94 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:17.360 just can't write, I can't and then I said do you know God? 95 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:23.279 That was do you know God, and that made her start to cry even 96 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:31.279 harder. Right. So there's a couple of main principles in in that segment 97 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:36.439 of of my encounter with her, which not every community is going to have 98 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:41.759 a high risk writer. Yeah, but most do, and we have one 99 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.639 that will actually talk to anyone nationally. So, you know, offering that 100 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:53.000 second opinion. Yeah, and and offering a high risk doctor to talk with 101 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.079 her. Yeah, that's definitely a powerful tool to have if you have a 102 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:03.600 high risk doctor locally in your area you've connected with. I mean I'm sure 103 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:07.360 there are, like you said, in every area there's there's some high risk 104 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.079 doctor right that has dealt with situations like this. But whether or not they 105 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.720 will be on your team and whether or not they would be willing to talk 106 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.120 to women as a whole other story. Yeah, so it's good to if 107 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:22.079 you can find out about that before you ever step onto a sidewalk, because 108 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.040 it's easily found out if it's in your community. But one of the at 109 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:31.600 as we continue to talk, then I knew that God was in the equation 110 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:35.799 because her eyes got even more she was crying even harder. When I said 111 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.600 do you know God? I think she nodded at the point at that point. 112 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:46.360 But then I talked about the certainty of the death of that child, 113 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:52.759 if she had no portion, bumped up against the possibility that she might die, 114 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.159 and that's an important point, I think, to make in any in 115 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:01.120 any situation where they're talking about the possibility of either the child's death or the 116 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:05.759 possibility of the maternal the mother's death. Yeah, in and that's not to 117 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:11.080 just kind of push upside her concerns, right. Obviously we don't want her 118 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.960 to die. Yeah, we don't want the baby to die either. Right. 119 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.960 And, like you said, what Vig he's talking about is that contrast 120 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.440 between your you've been told that you may die. There's such and such a 121 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.399 present chance that you may die if you get through this pregnancy. That, 122 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.399 though, is not a certainty, right, but if you go through with 123 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.080 an abortion, mean the the goal of the abortion is to kill the child. 124 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.879 So if the abortion is successful, then that's a certainty that baby's going 125 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:45.039 to die. Right, and bumping that message up against keep offering that high 126 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:50.440 risk doctor or a pro life doctor with a with a second opinion. And 127 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:52.279 then I asked her to pull over and she said, listen, let me 128 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.639 think about it. I'm going to look this pamphlet over and think about it. 129 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:01.960 Yeah, so before she left, I said, can I pray with 130 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.440 you, because I knew she's going to drive away. Now she's she has, 131 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:09.759 she has reached her limit of talking with me. It's clear. Yeah. 132 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:13.960 So I said, can I pray with you, and she nodded and 133 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:18.639 I prayed that God would help her to trust him in this very hard thing, 134 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.879 that that she would consider not only the struggle she's going through but the 135 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.159 struggle that that poor baby's going to go through if from if she decides to 136 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:31.120 take that child's life, and that God would give her discernment. Yeah, 137 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:37.000 do its best. And then and pretty much closed. There and to my 138 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:41.840 surprise, she did not pull into the driveway. She drove down and pulled 139 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.480 into the next driveway, which is the call center. Yeah, and obviously 140 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.799 conflicted, obviously there does not have her mind set on abortion. Yeah. 141 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.480 Yeah, yeah, and so that offering of prayer. Yeah, and I 142 00:10:54.519 --> 00:11:00.919 love what, again, Daniel, what you taught me in praying, if 143 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.840 you you know. Okay, they're about to leave. It's time to pray. 144 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.399 Yeah, and to pray at them right. Yeah, and in that 145 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.519 prayer to be reiterating, you know, the main points of what you've already 146 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.360 yes, something to the effect of God. And now I'll try to get 147 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.000 their name at that point. Yeah, and I'm praying God, please help 148 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.600 tea to see, yeah, your love for her. The fact that you 149 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.360 care for her and you care about her situation and help her also to see 150 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:30.600 your love for her baby, right, that you value this child and you 151 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.840 have a good plan for her baby, and that, Lord, if you'll 152 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.919 put her trust in you, you're with her through this whole situation. Now, 153 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.039 when I'm praying, I want to be careful not to pray. I 154 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:45.759 know that she's going to be okay and thank you God, that she's absolutely 155 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.000 not going to suffering the issues that you don't know. That right, but 156 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:52.039 I do know that God will be near her if you she puts her trust 157 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.919 in him. Yeah, and I do have confidence that the Lord is a 158 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.799 healer, and so I may even pray something like that. Lord, I 159 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.279 pray that you would heal her, that the wounds that she has in her 160 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:07.240 uterus would be quickly hue, because that's the issue. Her uterus apparently been 161 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.120 sewn back together and it could rupture, ruptree in and so see. Yeah, 162 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.519 so, anyway, I'm praying at them, but I'm also careful not 163 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:20.440 to you. I don't want to give false hope either. Right. Yeah, 164 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.480 yeah, so, as she pulls over and she's sitting in the other 165 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:30.240 call center parking lot, I wanted to be visible. I wanted her to 166 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.639 know I had not abandoned her, but I was far enough away that I 167 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:39.240 hoped it was the right balance between intrusive visible but not intrusive. So I 168 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:45.639 was standing there and used my time to call our high risk doctor right who 169 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:50.440 fortunately did pick up. I told her the situation and I said what do 170 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:52.840 you think? We can you talk with her, and Edith as her name. 171 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.440 He said yes, she would be more than happy to talk about her, 172 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.159 but she said this is serious. She's not lying. It is this 173 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:03.240 is a serious issue and I'm going to do some research, but I'd be 174 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.360 happy to talk with her and I would need to ask her some questions. 175 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.960 Can it? Can I get a little bit more of her background? So 176 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:13.600 the woman was in the car, clearly sobbing her eyes out. Yeah, 177 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.240 reading the pamphlet. I saw her reading the pamphlet and I saw her on 178 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:22.919 the phone and I just was I was visibly praying then, yeah, so 179 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.759 that she knew that I was calling on God to as she's as she's going 180 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:37.000 through through this discussion and and then she starts up her car and starts to 181 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:46.000 pull out and she did roll down her window for me and at the same 182 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.600 time the owner, well, I don't know if he's the owner, I 183 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:54.200 don't know who he is, but he's someone high up in the abortion center, 184 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.399 pulled in, almost hit me with his car, gets out of his 185 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:03.919 car and comes fearious with at me, running over. And as this is 186 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:11.600 happening, I'm taut still talking to tea and said can I, can I 187 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:16.279 give you Dr Edith's number, and she said yes, I start writing it 188 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:22.639 down and this man comes barreling at me, inches from my face. He 189 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:28.200 has pushed me before. We know he can be violent. Yeah, and 190 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:33.679 this does play into the story, believe me. And at that moment our 191 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:39.919 counselor one of my fellow counselors, saw this, knew this guy has the 192 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:43.840 potential to be violent and she pulled out her phone, came at US videotaping 193 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:50.720 right so because she wanted to have evidence, should I get beaten up or 194 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.120 whatever for the police. Yeah, and she was afraid that I was going 195 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.000 to get beaten up. And when the woman, when tea, saw the 196 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:07.960 phone video and clearly videotaping, she then was angry and said are you videotaping 197 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.320 me? Rolled up the window before I could get to eat. This number 198 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:16.559 to her and pulled out and write the abortion center. What's our key point 199 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.799 here, Daniel? Yeah, but I mean that's a that that's kind of 200 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.039 a difficult balance there, because I think it was we teach our people to 201 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:28.799 pull out your phone and start video and right when something crazy starts happening. 202 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:33.759 Right, but it is good, if we're careful, as a careful as 203 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.600 we can be, not to appear to be videoing patients. Yeah, I 204 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.120 don't know that there was any way to avoid that in that situation. Maybe 205 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.279 put your phone a little down. I mean, the end of the day, 206 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:48.200 we have we have no there's no incentive for us to video patients. 207 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.480 Yep, right, and it does create a barrier and a breach of trust. 208 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.840 You've already built trust with her. I would say, though, just 209 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.720 hearing the scenario and how it played out. Like I've said in the past, 210 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:06.799 these women are oftentimes grasping for two things at the same time. They're 211 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:10.879 grasping for a justification to a board and to write off of all that we're 212 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.480 saying, and they're grasping for a justification to leave. Yeah, right, 213 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:19.159 and so I think that videotaping scenario was her grasping for a reason to go 214 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:23.159 ahead and a board. Just do it and forget about what this this lady 215 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.240 on the sidewalks head because, after all, she breached trust and she videotaping 216 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:29.919 me. Yeah, and I think that's what it was. It's it shows 217 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:33.559 that fight in her mind, because she didn't even give you an opportunity to 218 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.440 explain. She didn't even take in the fact that this guy was being belligerent 219 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.960 and angry and all that stuff like. I mean, my question would be 220 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:44.240 if I was reasonably thinking, why are you yelling at me? I'm in 221 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:45.759 the driveway here talking to this person. Why are you yelling? You know 222 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:49.080 you're supposed to be running the facility here and you're acting like a fool. 223 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:53.159 But again, these women that we encounter in very difficult situations a lot of 224 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:59.320 chaos in their minds. You can't you can't expect them to be thinking things 225 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:00.679 through very clearly. So, yeah, that's what I would say. Just 226 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.920 be careful as your videotape and so keep this in your mind when I get 227 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.000 to the end of the story, because it's not the how it truly ended. 228 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.079 I don't mention in this article. So I want you to remember what 229 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.799 you just said. All of that. Anyway, I did call out to 230 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:19.079 her. She's driving away. No, we were videotaping him, but that 231 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:22.000 was all I could say. And she's gone. So she get I felt 232 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.599 like I'd been punched. I was like, Oh, I had her. 233 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.039 Yeah, no, she was. I was just about to hander edith's number 234 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:38.000 and she drives into the abortion center. So she drives in and she was 235 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:44.119 in there for like an hour. The abortionist arrives in the meantime. She's 236 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:48.200 in there, the hours going on. I got really busy with with other 237 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:55.920 things and you know, I felt awful that poor counselor. Felt awful because 238 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.480 she, you know, she was saying the same thing you're saying. I 239 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.119 don't know what else I could have done. Yeah, and and there really 240 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.599 wasn't. She was in a very bad position. So anyway, a little 241 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:15.519 about an hour later, wait before the hour later, I actually got on 242 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:19.079 the mic and I started talking about fear, because this was a woman who 243 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:23.599 was obviously afraid of dying and it was fear that was fueling this decision. 244 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:27.680 This was a time when I felt the MIC would be useful to address. 245 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:32.240 I didn't talk about people in a high risk pregnancy or anything like that. 246 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.839 I just I address the issue of fear over the microphone and we know that, 247 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:38.640 or we think that, they can hear us in the bit in the 248 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:44.079 back room. And then I see, like an hour later, her car 249 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:48.559 pull out again. The abortionist has come. So I'm assuming she had the 250 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:55.359 abortion. Yeah, and she stopped for that very counselor who had been videotaping 251 00:18:55.440 --> 00:19:02.279 her. Told that counselor she had chosen life. That counselor started crying. 252 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:03.720 I'm I'm way on the other side, by the way, I'm waiting, 253 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:08.000 way down the street, but I'm seeing and thinking, wait, I think 254 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:12.359 that's that car. And then I see that counselor hand her blessing bag, 255 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:17.440 which I know means she's changed her mind. We've given her a gift. 256 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:23.119 She's chosen life. And and at as she's coming towards me, she instantly 257 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:29.599 pulls over, rolls down her window and said I didn't do it, and 258 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:33.079 I has laid my head down on the window and started sobbing because I was 259 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.960 it had been so emotional right and I had thought this baby was dead and 260 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:45.240 here it was still alive. She had saved the baby's life and and the 261 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.880 my main kind of point is here in this segment of it, is just 262 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:55.079 never give up. Yeah, net never, never give up, and rejoice 263 00:19:55.119 --> 00:20:00.920 that that in you were there and privileged to see right it' this amazing transformation. 264 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:04.720 So the end of the story, though, that isn't in here. 265 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:11.599 Is She wanted to mentor from our from our love life program she wanted to 266 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:18.279 mentor someone that would walk alongside her as her story unfolds. It turns out 267 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:26.319 she actually went back later to the OBGYN. It was not as high risk 268 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.759 as she had indicated. Yeah, you know, she needs to be followed 269 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:36.480 and she should be followed by a his doctor, but that generally these things 270 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:38.599 turn out fine. She'll they'll take the baby a little early. Do is 271 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:42.440 see section a little early. So if she goes into Labor yet there is 272 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:47.519 a danger of the the uter in rupture, but probably not through the rest 273 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:51.480 of the pregnancy and they know what to look for. But Um, what 274 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:59.119 she told me was, first of all, she did know that that man 275 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:03.759 was a jerk coming over, from what he she said he tried to run 276 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.319 you over and I said, you know the lady taping you. We destroyed 277 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:08.799 that tape. I want you to know. As soon as he didn't hit 278 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:14.480 me, we knew we didn't need that video. We took it off our 279 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.640 phones. It's deleted. And she said, Oh, I knew, I 280 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.400 knew why you were taping me. So you're right, Daniel, she did 281 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:26.440 know. Yeah, she knew, and it was part of an excuse to 282 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:32.000 go back in. But she said while she was in there for an hour. 283 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.599 She was in there. She said she told them, she went to 284 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.279 the front. I said listen, give me a minute. She sat down. 285 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.880 That minute turned into an hour. She was crying most of the time 286 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:51.960 and she said what, what opened her heart to considering life was the prayer. 287 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.240 It wasn't really what we had said, it wasn't what I said in 288 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.279 the prayer, it wasn't what she heard over the mic. It was that 289 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:06.519 God was now forefront in her mind. Yeah, because we had prayed. 290 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:14.559 Yeah, and so that's such a key, key element, I think, 291 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:18.119 for us all to remember. Yeah, in our interactions with this mom you 292 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:25.799 can pray with them and the very act of praying is what's important, not 293 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:30.000 if you have the exact white words. Yeah, and then the even more 294 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:34.039 wonderful additional end of the story. She stood up, she finally, she 295 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:41.200 said, God just finally said you can't do this. She stood up and 296 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:49.640 she she was horrified by the callous, hardheartedness and even just joking manner of 297 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.880 so many of the women in there as they're about to kill their baby while 298 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:59.079 she's going through all of this ankst yeah, she saw one other couple sitting 299 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:03.240 in the waiting room and she said she knew looking at them that they were 300 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:07.920 struggling with this decision. Yeah, she went over to them and said I'm 301 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.960 going to leave, I'm going to keep my baby. You don't have to 302 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.920 stay here. You know you can leave too. Yeah, and they got 303 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:22.440 up and followed her out and left. So a few things. When that 304 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:27.559 counselor was videotaping her and giving her an excuse to go in, if she 305 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.400 hadn't gone in, she wouldn't have seen that couple, she wouldn't have had 306 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:38.440 that war between good and evil, she wouldn't have seen it acting out right 307 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:44.799 in front of her. Yeah, in the other clients and that second baby 308 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:51.000 that was saved, might not have been saying yeah, so God uses so 309 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:55.200 much. We had to be there, we had to be there, but 310 00:23:55.359 --> 00:24:00.319 look at how everything worked together. Yeah, for the good of those who 311 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.200 love the Lord and have been called according to his purpose. Yeah, yeah, 312 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.640 that's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. It's encouraging. Yeah, and 313 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.000 so, guys, we hope that this case study was an encouragement to you, 314 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.160 guys, and that we gave you some principles and just kind of walked 315 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:19.599 you through that story. There's still I mean the story is not over, 316 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:23.880 that baby's not yet been born and there's still some mentoring that's taken place. 317 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:27.480 And she said one of the main issues that she faced was her milk supply 318 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:32.039 was running out and she needed formula. And I come to the office and 319 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:36.400 guess what, there were two big cases of formula. So I called her 320 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:38.640 and had her come meet me and yesterday I gave her the formula. Yeah, 321 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:44.079 that's cool. Yeah, so, guys. Yeah, yeah, we 322 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.200 think this was a blessing. You hope it was a blessing to you. 323 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.559 You can certainly reach out and share maybe some feedback, maybe some questions, 324 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:55.680 maybe a little bit of encouragement. Maybe you want to throw a review, 325 00:24:55.720 --> 00:25:00.279 five story view into the the reviews only pocket kick that down the street at 326 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.880 all. We take it, gladly, love it. We'd love some some 327 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:08.319 positive reviews on our podcast. We'd love for you guys to share this podcast. 328 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.759 Maybe it would be encouraging to someone else. So certainly we encourage you 329 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.680 guys to share this episode with others. You can reach me Daniel Love Life 330 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.519 Dot Org. If you have suggestions for other episode, you can reach Vicky, 331 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.920 Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. Maybe you want to bounce some things 332 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.680 off of Vicky, maybe you want to pick her brain on sidewalk counseling stuff. 333 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.559 So I know she'd be more than happy to answer any questions that you 334 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.480 guys have. Of but until next time, God bless God, bless you 335 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:45.759 all. Give me our lift for love. Give me our life for gratitude. 336 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:57.200 I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. 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