Bodily Autonomy, is it Biblical?

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.949 Lord, I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast 3 00:00:11.230 --> 00:00:14.910 and this episode we're going to talk about the pro choice argument of bodily autonomy. 4 00:00:15.150 --> 00:00:18.030 We're going to deal with this subject biblically and we're going to think through 5 00:00:18.109 --> 00:00:26.260 this thing rationally. Hope you're blessed as you listen. I felt show passish 6 00:00:27.339 --> 00:00:35.500 touch your heart. All Right, welcome to the Gospel Center prolife podcast. 7 00:00:35.700 --> 00:00:41.369 I'm here today with Vicky and we're going to talk about a subject that I 8 00:00:41.490 --> 00:00:45.689 think is near and dear to the pro abortion, pro choice folks crowd, 9 00:00:46.250 --> 00:00:50.079 which is bodily autonomy. And it's an argument that I hear a lot and 10 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:55.240 you know, as you you look on facebook and social media, is is 11 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.039 one that's touted by the pro choice crowd as kind of the end all. 12 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:02.759 This is sort of like the gauntlets thrown down mic drop when they give these 13 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:07.950 bodily autonomy arguments. It's it's you shut your mouth because we just proved you 14 00:01:07.030 --> 00:01:11.670 wrong sort of thing. And you know actually, honestly for me is I'm 15 00:01:11.750 --> 00:01:17.390 looking at the pro choice arguments in the stuff that people give as arguments for 16 00:01:17.430 --> 00:01:21.700 abortion. To me, the bodily autonomy argument is the only one that really 17 00:01:22.099 --> 00:01:25.819 is consistent with itself, because then, you know, a lot of the 18 00:01:25.900 --> 00:01:27.420 arguments about, you know, what if this, what if that? A 19 00:01:27.659 --> 00:01:33.170 lot of the arguments about, you know, women, you know women can't 20 00:01:33.170 --> 00:01:36.010 provide for a child, therefore it's okay for to kill it and that sort 21 00:01:36.049 --> 00:01:38.650 of thing, all of these sort of fall to the ground. They're all 22 00:01:38.769 --> 00:01:41.609 really just emotional arguments. This is the only one, to me, that's 23 00:01:41.609 --> 00:01:45.730 sort of philosophical and it makes makes you think, it makes you sort of 24 00:01:45.810 --> 00:01:48.879 think these things through, and I think it's important that we do put some 25 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:51.519 thought of these arguments and not just kind of brush them to the side. 26 00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:56.560 Ye, and so, first of all, just kind of define bodily autonomy. 27 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:59.120 What is bodily autonomy? You want to take a crack at that, 28 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:01.989 you want to take a step ahead. You know, bodily the human body. 29 00:02:01.989 --> 00:02:07.549 They're talking about the human body autonomy, your control, yeah, over 30 00:02:07.549 --> 00:02:12.590 over your own body, that you have the right to say what happens to 31 00:02:12.710 --> 00:02:15.229 your body. Yeah, that's that sound. Yeah, I mean it's it 32 00:02:15.740 --> 00:02:19.659 has to do with really governance over your body, which is basically what you 33 00:02:19.819 --> 00:02:23.500 just said and that, yeah, you can make the decisions for the things 34 00:02:23.740 --> 00:02:25.699 that affect your body, and I think you know we would. We would 35 00:02:25.699 --> 00:02:30.569 pretty much agree, right. I mean I don't. I don't go and 36 00:02:30.129 --> 00:02:34.009 tell people who are you having their tonsils removed? It. You can't have 37 00:02:34.090 --> 00:02:37.889 your tonsils removed, you know. So we can't pink are that you can't 38 00:02:37.930 --> 00:02:40.289 have me or or earring. It does offend me. Pink here does, 39 00:02:40.449 --> 00:02:44.360 honestly. But I'm not going to make the laws that say you can't, 40 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.560 you know, and we grant them that bodily yeah, exactly, can have 41 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:52.319 that bodily autonomy. But we're talking about the issue of abortion. Well, 42 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:58.000 really talking about more than just an individual's bodily autonomy. And the reason why, 43 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.189 you know, when someone gives that argument to me, one of the 44 00:03:00.229 --> 00:03:04.270 pro abortion people, on a regular basis, they give that argument you a 45 00:03:04.310 --> 00:03:07.229 woman has a right to govern what happens inside of her body. It's like, 46 00:03:07.550 --> 00:03:09.870 okay, well, you're not understanding really where we're coming from, because 47 00:03:09.909 --> 00:03:14.259 I'm really not trying to limit her ability to have healthcare. I just don't 48 00:03:14.259 --> 00:03:17.020 want her to kill her child. So I'm talking about two bodies to two 49 00:03:17.139 --> 00:03:23.099 separate people that we're thinking about when we're thinking about a pregnant mother, right, 50 00:03:23.460 --> 00:03:25.099 and that's how we do. Ministries will reach out on the sidewalks. 51 00:03:25.139 --> 00:03:29.930 We're considering two people. We know that we have two people that we're trying 52 00:03:29.969 --> 00:03:32.050 to reach and we have to reach the mother in order to reach the baby, 53 00:03:32.129 --> 00:03:36.330 and so we understand that. Yeah, but I've had people say, 54 00:03:36.370 --> 00:03:39.289 you know, I'll grant you that the baby in the womb or the fetus 55 00:03:39.289 --> 00:03:44.199 is a person, and they'll go to this bodily autonomy argument, which is 56 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:49.080 a thought experiment from from years past. I read it to you earlier just 57 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.080 in preparation for the PODCAST, but I don't read it again, from before 58 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:57.229 abortion. Yeah, this is this argument was first posed by Judith Jarvis Tom 59 00:03:57.509 --> 00:04:01.789 Thomas in one thousand nine hundred and seventy one. And this is the like 60 00:04:02.430 --> 00:04:08.110 lay down the MIC drop. Once they give this, they've they've just all 61 00:04:08.189 --> 00:04:11.740 these yeah, yeah, we're done, no longer pro life. When they 62 00:04:11.740 --> 00:04:14.860 give this argument, and here's the argument. This is the thought experiment. 63 00:04:14.860 --> 00:04:17.579 I think thought experiments do help. We lay out analogies and stuff like that. 64 00:04:17.819 --> 00:04:20.379 Stuff does help, and so I'm not just poopoo in the idea of 65 00:04:20.420 --> 00:04:24.889 a thought experiment, but this thought experiment and how it sort of applies to 66 00:04:24.930 --> 00:04:28.370 the bodily autonomy arguments and support of abortion, I think, can be easily 67 00:04:28.410 --> 00:04:30.930 torn down and ultimately, I think just stick with US folks, because we're 68 00:04:30.930 --> 00:04:33.449 going to get to the word of God. That's where ultimately we want to 69 00:04:33.490 --> 00:04:36.970 go. But let's just read this real quick it says so you wake in 70 00:04:38.050 --> 00:04:41.759 the morning and you find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. 71 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:45.120 Now, why a violinist? I have no clue. I'm sure there's 72 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.959 some background of that. It's a famous unconscious violinist. He's been found to 73 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:53.870 have a fatal kidney ailment. In the Society of music lovers has canvas all 74 00:04:53.910 --> 00:04:58.069 available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to hell. 75 00:04:58.709 --> 00:05:02.029 They have therefore kidnapped you and last night the violinist circuitry, circulatory system, 76 00:05:02.069 --> 00:05:05.509 was plugged into yours so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons 77 00:05:05.550 --> 00:05:09.980 from his blood as well as your own. If he's unplugged from you now, 78 00:05:10.180 --> 00:05:13.620 he will die, but in nine months he will have recovered from his 79 00:05:13.699 --> 00:05:16.579 ailment and can be safely unplugged from you. And so you know, the 80 00:05:16.660 --> 00:05:23.250 the analogy is with the unborn child, nine months obviously one the violinist might 81 00:05:23.290 --> 00:05:27.529 be because he's valuable. Making they're making the concession that that baby does have 82 00:05:27.769 --> 00:05:30.009 some sort of value. Yeah, nature experiment. Yeah, and I think 83 00:05:30.129 --> 00:05:33.689 probably we're, you know, as probably lifers, the Society of music lovers, 84 00:05:33.730 --> 00:05:40.399 who values this this violinist, though greater society maybe doesn't. And their 85 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:43.079 analogy there, right. And so how do you answer this, though? 86 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:46.000 How do you answer this, this thought experiment? As you're thinking, okay, 87 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.519 if I unpluged this person, like, do I have the right, 88 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:54.149 if I find myself in this partigament, as wild as the scenario sounds, 89 00:05:55.670 --> 00:06:00.149 do I have a right just to unplug myself from this violinist? Am I 90 00:06:00.310 --> 00:06:03.300 within my bodily autonomy rights to do that? Right? Yeah, well, 91 00:06:03.300 --> 00:06:06.899 would you think? Yeah, well, well, it's obviously being used as 92 00:06:06.939 --> 00:06:11.899 an analogy between the mother and the Child, and I think that the first 93 00:06:11.980 --> 00:06:14.740 thing I would want to do, I say this a lot, examine the 94 00:06:14.779 --> 00:06:16.620 premise that, yeah, I mus has flawed. Yeah, it's flawed. 95 00:06:16.699 --> 00:06:23.769 Right, okay, because it's it's first of all, you've been kidnapped? 96 00:06:23.850 --> 00:06:30.050 Yeah, against your will, apparently. and well, becoming pregnant with the 97 00:06:30.129 --> 00:06:35.279 child is a very different sort of thing. You put yourself in a position 98 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:42.959 where you would become or could. Certainly there is a logical consequence. Yeah, 99 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:47.430 sure, is pregnancy. Yeah, and so did did the person who 100 00:06:47.550 --> 00:06:53.509 is kidnapped? Is? Is that an equal sort of symbol? And I'd 101 00:06:53.589 --> 00:06:58.189 say no. Yep, kidnapping is nothing like putting yourself in a position where 102 00:06:58.189 --> 00:07:00.230 you could become pregnant. Yeah, and then we talked about this. I 103 00:07:00.269 --> 00:07:03.180 don't know if you want me to spoil the whole story. That a good 104 00:07:03.220 --> 00:07:11.420 for but you know that it's not just this stranger that you're hooked too who's 105 00:07:11.420 --> 00:07:15.730 not related in any way and and you're being forst into this, this synbiotic 106 00:07:15.970 --> 00:07:21.089 relationship with him. This is your child, yeah, your relative, through 107 00:07:21.209 --> 00:07:29.810 a natural process. A mother and her womb is designed for one thing and 108 00:07:29.970 --> 00:07:32.920 that's to bear a child. Yeah, you being plug to the violinist. 109 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.639 It's not what you were designed for. Right, right, and it's not. 110 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:43.480 They're not your relation. So I think the analogy immediately falls apart. 111 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:47.790 It is it's you're comparing completely different yeah, sorts of things yeah, and 112 00:07:48.110 --> 00:07:53.389 some folks go into even a sort of a selfdefense thing that you know, 113 00:07:53.509 --> 00:07:57.550 you're within your in your rights to defend yourself, and so they'll even take 114 00:07:57.670 --> 00:08:00.379 you know, okay, I'll grantee that. The baby's a person, but 115 00:08:00.459 --> 00:08:03.100 if the person inside of her body is threatening her life, then she has 116 00:08:03.139 --> 00:08:07.339 the ability to defend herself. Right, but against it. What we're talking 117 00:08:07.339 --> 00:08:11.860 about in that scenario is we're talking about an unborn child. We're talking about 118 00:08:11.860 --> 00:08:18.569 her offspring. We're not talking about some intruder or some stranger, we're talking 119 00:08:18.610 --> 00:08:24.689 about someone that is her relation. Right. Mother's UN natural inclination of a 120 00:08:24.810 --> 00:08:31.399 mother is to protect her child, not to immediately kill her child when it 121 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:37.240 becomes an inconvenience or it becomes that you're a certain threat. And so abortion 122 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.070 is directly against the natural instincts, in the natural way that God has made 123 00:08:41.110 --> 00:08:46.830 a human beings to function. You know, and and that's why I really 124 00:08:46.830 --> 00:08:50.389 wanted to get into the bodily autonomy thing, and I mentioned to you even 125 00:08:50.429 --> 00:08:56.659 talking about this subject is bodily autonomy and self idolatry, that the self becomes 126 00:08:56.700 --> 00:09:00.460 an idol. And you know, the reality is, even with all these 127 00:09:00.580 --> 00:09:05.539 thought experiments. There's other thought experiments that they use. One of them about 128 00:09:05.659 --> 00:09:11.009 people seeds. If there were people seeds floating around and and they're always just 129 00:09:11.129 --> 00:09:13.690 really it's just in the air and they all ridiculous. And and you know 130 00:09:15.210 --> 00:09:20.250 certain folks, certain women, have decided to invest in screens on their windows 131 00:09:20.289 --> 00:09:22.929 so that the people seeds can't come through. They have really expensive ones. 132 00:09:24.009 --> 00:09:26.759 But if one just happens to come through, is she within her rights to 133 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.399 take that people seed and uproot it and throw it away? And so the 134 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.919 analogy there is then with a baby and of course you know an unborn baby 135 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:41.269 being a person seed right, which again, you know, every analogy breaks 136 00:09:41.309 --> 00:09:46.990 down, and that analogy is certainly breaks down because again we're talking about human 137 00:09:46.070 --> 00:09:50.429 beings. Aren't talking about just seeds, we're not just talking about again, 138 00:09:50.509 --> 00:09:54.700 not just some stranger that you that you were kidnapped and forcedly plugged into. 139 00:09:54.740 --> 00:10:01.179 We're talking about an individual child, a person, and what will say, 140 00:10:01.179 --> 00:10:03.139 according to the word of God, that is made in the image of God. 141 00:10:03.259 --> 00:10:07.610 I think what we're getting down to is we're getting down to the fact 142 00:10:07.649 --> 00:10:13.889 that human beings are different than other creatures. Human beings are different than other 143 00:10:13.929 --> 00:10:18.250 animals. You know, in our society, as people have rejected God and 144 00:10:18.370 --> 00:10:22.360 embrace this idea of evolution and human beings are nothing more than just evolved animals, 145 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.480 and that mentality, all of these analogies are, I guess, are 146 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:31.120 fitting. You know, but if you understand based on the framework that God 147 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.029 gives us, human beings are made in his image, then we're talking about 148 00:10:35.110 --> 00:10:41.110 the destruction or the protection of an innocent human life, right, and using 149 00:10:41.149 --> 00:10:46.309 bodily autonomy to justify killing a person is ridiculous. And then working a lot 150 00:10:46.350 --> 00:10:50.059 of other scenarios either, which will talk about. Yeah, yeah, like 151 00:10:50.340 --> 00:10:54.259 like if if I don't like you, yeah, and and you're really bothering 152 00:10:54.340 --> 00:11:00.820 me and you're putting unrealistic expectations on me. Well, my body is the 153 00:11:00.899 --> 00:11:05.090 most important, my autonomy is the most important to me, and so why 154 00:11:05.129 --> 00:11:07.889 can't I just get rid of you? Yeah, you know, if, 155 00:11:09.090 --> 00:11:13.610 if bodily autonomy is the be all end all, then then there's no restrictions 156 00:11:15.169 --> 00:11:18.000 on what I can or can't do, even if it harms you. Yeah, 157 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:22.919 and I think that that's actually a more accurate kind of analogy. Then 158 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:31.679 then the violinist, in some ways, because it's it's showing what are their 159 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:37.870 limits? Are there limits that are society should put on bodily autonomy? And 160 00:11:39.029 --> 00:11:43.509 really does? None of us are completely autonomous. Yeah, right, we 161 00:11:43.950 --> 00:11:46.620 have rights. There are certain things that we have rights to, like, 162 00:11:46.980 --> 00:11:50.500 like we said, pink are you know what? We have the right to 163 00:11:50.580 --> 00:11:56.100 do that if we so desire. But where do those limits come when it? 164 00:11:56.259 --> 00:12:01.649 Are there limits in society and throughout really all history? Yeah, on 165 00:12:01.330 --> 00:12:07.330 where my bodily autonomy needs to be restricted. Yeah, you know, the 166 00:12:07.809 --> 00:12:15.450 scriptures clear own individual responsibility. HMM, and it's also clear only individual autonomy 167 00:12:15.570 --> 00:12:22.120 in a certain sense, but it's the things that we do with the governance 168 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.200 of our own body, in our own within our own self, that ultimately 169 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:30.950 God holds US accountable for. Right. So when Kane Kills Abel, he 170 00:12:31.070 --> 00:12:33.350 did that with his own bodily autonomy. Right. He had this this offense 171 00:12:33.429 --> 00:12:37.429 inside of himself where he was jealous of his brother because God received his sacrifice 172 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.230 but not kin's, and he altimately uses his bodily autonomy to commit the first 173 00:12:41.269 --> 00:12:46.580 murder where he kills his brother. You know, your autonomy ends where someone 174 00:12:46.580 --> 00:12:50.940 else's life is affected in a negative way. But even that, in a 175 00:12:50.980 --> 00:12:54.379 sense. They mean the decisions that we make with our bodies are going to 176 00:12:54.500 --> 00:13:00.450 affect other people, either positive to positively or negatively. It's just part of 177 00:13:00.570 --> 00:13:03.889 living in a society. You right, it's part of living around other people, 178 00:13:03.370 --> 00:13:07.610 and so you have a certain amount of autonomy. But when you talk, 179 00:13:07.049 --> 00:13:11.090 when you're talking about using that autonomy to kill another person, to commit 180 00:13:11.129 --> 00:13:13.879 an act of violence against another person, that's where it ends. Yeah, 181 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:16.879 but even you know, it even ends in a sense, and we won't 182 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:22.399 get into the into the really nuts and bolts of this, but like with 183 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:28.870 suicide, for example, or with prostitution. Mean, if bodily autonomy sort 184 00:13:28.870 --> 00:13:33.070 of the end all, then them as a society, we're okay with suicide 185 00:13:33.190 --> 00:13:37.029 and it seems more and more uninhibited drug use, anything that destroys your body, 186 00:13:37.070 --> 00:13:41.820 even if it doesn't kill you outright, like suicide, but slowly kills 187 00:13:41.860 --> 00:13:43.659 you. Yeah, they should. We have no restrictions on that. If 188 00:13:43.659 --> 00:13:48.539 bodily autonomy is is the most important. Yeah, and even you with prostitution 189 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:52.220 is as a woman have the right to sell her body. It's she's autonomous. 190 00:13:52.299 --> 00:13:54.850 He can govern the thing and she sell her body. And prostitution most 191 00:13:56.009 --> 00:14:01.850 nations realize that prostitution is not a good thing, right and most nations make 192 00:14:01.929 --> 00:14:05.690 it illegal for a woman to sell her body and prostitution, and there's reasons 193 00:14:05.730 --> 00:14:09.440 for that, not just bodily autonomy reasons, but moral reasons. It's immoral. 194 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.240 But also, you know, women are exploited through the trafficking that happens 195 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:22.279 from prostitution, you know, the legal prostitution trade or whatever. Ultimately, 196 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:26.190 because people are sinners, people take advantage of that whole thing and that whole 197 00:14:26.190 --> 00:14:30.350 system is twisted and people are kidnapped and be more taken and sold in all 198 00:14:30.429 --> 00:14:33.429 of that, you know, in similarly, women are exploited in abortion. 199 00:14:33.470 --> 00:14:39.620 Yeah, they are definitely exploited by bi sexual predators, by you know, 200 00:14:39.779 --> 00:14:43.700 serial adulterers, but the sexual trait. Yeah. So, you know, 201 00:14:43.779 --> 00:14:48.379 at the basis of any discussion of bottom autonomy, I just think you really 202 00:14:48.419 --> 00:14:54.769 can't get away from the question of why shouldn't, why should or should there 203 00:14:54.889 --> 00:15:01.250 not be protection of my body or protection of the little baby body? And 204 00:15:01.490 --> 00:15:07.559 and so I think the really the the root issue that we need to grapple 205 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:13.480 with is what gives anybody value. Yeah, and I know we know what 206 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.320 does from a biblical standpoint. Yeah, that of all God's creation, human 207 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:22.549 beings alone are made in the image. Yeah, I mean you know, 208 00:15:22.590 --> 00:15:26.789 if you if you wanted it, to make the argument with you from the 209 00:15:26.909 --> 00:15:30.629 pro abortion standpoint, that you know, first of all, human beings are 210 00:15:30.669 --> 00:15:33.230 just evolved animals, but we still have bodily autonomy. It's like, well, 211 00:15:35.029 --> 00:15:37.899 is that cow that I ate for lunch? You know in a hamburger 212 00:15:37.139 --> 00:15:41.740 that he had bodily autonomy. No, actually, somebody owned him and actually 213 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:46.179 slaughtered him. We ate him because he didn't have bodily autonomy, because because 214 00:15:46.700 --> 00:15:50.610 he's an animal. Yeah, right, and say this whole idea that humans 215 00:15:50.690 --> 00:15:52.769 have bodily atomy and something different animals sort of proves the point, right, 216 00:15:52.850 --> 00:15:56.090 it does. Yeah, and and you know, of course we grant that 217 00:15:56.169 --> 00:16:00.570 there's a certain amount of autonomy that takes place. But it's funny that, 218 00:16:00.809 --> 00:16:04.240 and I'm not a I'm not an anti vaxx or sort of person. You 219 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.799 know, we're our family's more measured. We don't do every vaccine, but 220 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.000 we more careful in those who want to, you know, come at me 221 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.159 because of that. That's fine. We're more measured in vaccines, but we 222 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:21.230 don't do everyone right, but I know people who are stunchly opposed to vaccines 223 00:16:21.590 --> 00:16:26.590 and then also know people, or you read people who are like stonessly pushing 224 00:16:26.669 --> 00:16:30.830 this thing like mandated government dated vaccines. And it's so funny that many of 225 00:16:30.870 --> 00:16:36.460 the pro abortion, pro choice people the talk about bodily autonomy are for mandated 226 00:16:36.500 --> 00:16:40.299 vaccines. I might man, is that not a contradiction of terms where you're 227 00:16:40.419 --> 00:16:45.580 basically the government is forcing against someone's autonomy, forcing that person to take a 228 00:16:45.779 --> 00:16:49.570 vaccine that they may not want? Right? Right, or forced us in 229 00:16:49.610 --> 00:16:52.690 Asia? Yeah, you know, which is on the rise, and it 230 00:16:52.809 --> 00:16:56.409 sounds like with old people. Yeah, you know that. Okay, it's 231 00:16:56.649 --> 00:17:02.159 do they have, do we have bodily autonomy or not? Yeah, and 232 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:03.880 in that situation, you know, it's really interesting, as I was thinking 233 00:17:03.920 --> 00:17:11.920 about it, in the Bible is on one hand there's there's a definite human 234 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:18.230 beings are of great, inestimable value before God and their body is of value. 235 00:17:18.430 --> 00:17:21.950 Yeah, God, he numbers every hair on our head. But at 236 00:17:22.029 --> 00:17:25.589 the same time, later on, I think it's in Corinthians, it talks 237 00:17:25.630 --> 00:17:30.180 about how the in First Corinthians how your body is not your own, that 238 00:17:30.500 --> 00:17:33.299 it was bought at a price. Yeah, and that we're not. We 239 00:17:33.579 --> 00:17:38.140 don't control our bodies. God does. God's in control, and there's sort 240 00:17:38.180 --> 00:17:44.059 of that, I think, an interesting it's not a contradiction. Nothing in 241 00:17:44.099 --> 00:17:48.809 the Bible, I think, is a contradiction, but it's two different sides 242 00:17:48.009 --> 00:17:52.289 of this issue. That that the body is of great, great value, 243 00:17:53.170 --> 00:18:00.960 every one of US uniquely of infinite value before God, and yet it's not 244 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.920 our own. Yeah, we do not have the final say, ultimately, 245 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.039 in where we spend eternity. Yeah, you know, it is always God's 246 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:15.710 decision and and we are a temple of the Lord and it is his to 247 00:18:15.829 --> 00:18:18.349 do with as he pleases. Yeah, yeah, I mean he's Lord and 248 00:18:18.430 --> 00:18:22.309 he gets to say what goes right. That's ultimately, you know. So 249 00:18:22.630 --> 00:18:25.710 to the argument for Christian if you if you'll jump into that scripture that you 250 00:18:25.829 --> 00:18:30.660 just mentioned, in the First Corinthians, great, yeah, First Corinthians six 251 00:18:32.420 --> 00:18:37.380 and and there's a couple of verses in their first Corinthians six, thirteen to 252 00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:42.529 fifteen says well, part way, three thirteen. The body, however, 253 00:18:44.049 --> 00:18:48.769 is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord and the Lord for the 254 00:18:48.809 --> 00:18:53.609 body body. And then in Verse Fifteen, do you not know that your 255 00:18:53.730 --> 00:18:59.960 bodies are members of Christ yourself, and then skip on down to verse nineteen. 256 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.160 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit who 257 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:08.400 is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your 258 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:15.269 own, you were bought at a Christ therefore, honor God with your own 259 00:19:15.710 --> 00:19:22.269 body. Yeah, and so that you know. Of course that's speaking specifically 260 00:19:22.349 --> 00:19:25.819 to Christians, right when he says your body is the temple of the Holy 261 00:19:25.859 --> 00:19:29.539 Spirit, and of course we wouldn't say an unbeliever has the Holy Spirit, 262 00:19:30.220 --> 00:19:34.900 but the principle is still the same that God has created the body. God 263 00:19:36.019 --> 00:19:37.809 has created, you know, in in the resurrection. You know, we 264 00:19:38.210 --> 00:19:41.769 think you know, when you die you go to heaven or if you're not 265 00:19:41.849 --> 00:19:44.970 right with God, you go to hell, and that's it. Right your 266 00:19:45.009 --> 00:19:48.289 spirit, your you know, whatever that part of you is that goes, 267 00:19:48.329 --> 00:19:52.170 that's it. But the Bible tells us that God is going to actually resurrect 268 00:19:52.170 --> 00:19:55.880 our bodies. Yeah, they we're going to spend eternity in a physical body, 269 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.559 whether that's eternity to heaven or eternity in Hell, because it warns against 270 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.319 your flesh being sins, you know, it warns against gnashing of your teeth. 271 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:10.910 So there's a physicality that is in heaven and inhale and and so the 272 00:20:11.029 --> 00:20:15.190 body. God has a vested interest in in our bodies and what happens with 273 00:20:15.269 --> 00:20:18.230 our bodies, and therefore he gives us certain commands of things that we can 274 00:20:18.390 --> 00:20:22.180 and cannot do right with our bodies. Yeah, some of those commands obviously 275 00:20:22.220 --> 00:20:26.420 or expressly toward Christians. You know, we're commanded to use our body to 276 00:20:26.500 --> 00:20:30.460 go and broadcast the Gospel, to go and preach the Gospel. Right, 277 00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:34.579 but there's also things that God gives all of humanity, prohibitions that God gives 278 00:20:34.619 --> 00:20:40.089 all of humanity in the Ten Commandments, and with each of those ten commandments 279 00:20:40.130 --> 00:20:44.130 there's some aspect of that. That's that's it's physical. It's not just heart, 280 00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:48.970 but it's actually physical actions that take place. Yea. And so you 281 00:20:48.049 --> 00:20:52.400 know, we have certain prohibitions in the scriptures what you can and what you 282 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.519 cannot do with your body. Shall not murder. Yeah, Y is, 283 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:59.279 you know, the most basic one. God hates the shedding of innocent blood. 284 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:03.000 Yeah, other human beings, innocent blood. So and in the in 285 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:08.470 this first though and in First Corinthian six, when it says flee immorality, 286 00:21:08.549 --> 00:21:14.349 but the immoral man sins against his own body. I think you could make 287 00:21:14.390 --> 00:21:18.029 a case that. Well, the immoral man is not someone who is in 288 00:21:18.150 --> 00:21:22.980 the Lord, but he sins against his own body. Yeah, he when 289 00:21:23.019 --> 00:21:32.579 he commits sexual immorality. So, whether whether or not you're a believer, 290 00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:37.930 when you practice Im morality, you have God is saying you have sinned against 291 00:21:37.970 --> 00:21:41.849 your own body. Yeah. So, so I think it can be applied 292 00:21:41.890 --> 00:21:52.039 bid to to unbelievers and believers alike, that if sexual immorality against your own 293 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.599 body is sin, general sin for everyone, whether a believer or not. 294 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:00.119 Well, how much more so something like murder? Yeah, but that your 295 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.789 your body, belongs to the Lord, whether you're a believer or not, 296 00:22:03.150 --> 00:22:07.869 it was the Lord who created you. And like the verses that talk about 297 00:22:07.869 --> 00:22:14.150 the Potter has the right to do whatever he chooses to do with his clay 298 00:22:14.269 --> 00:22:18.180 creations. Well, the Lord, God, is our pottern and he has 299 00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:23.180 the right to do whatever he chooses to do with with our bodies. Yeah, 300 00:22:23.180 --> 00:22:30.170 yeah, which is a negation of our autonomy. Yeah, that we 301 00:22:30.289 --> 00:22:36.410 are not our own. Even an unbeliever is not his own. Ultimately, 302 00:22:36.609 --> 00:22:40.650 that body belongs to the Lord. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 303 00:22:40.650 --> 00:22:45.319 every person, whether believer or not, is made in God's image. That's 304 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.440 right. And every person, ultimately, you know, the Bible says, 305 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:53.920 everything was made for him and by him. So everything, even that which 306 00:22:53.960 --> 00:23:00.390 is disobedient to him, was still created for him with the intention of being 307 00:23:00.069 --> 00:23:04.190 in relationship with him, accountable to him. Right, and again, the 308 00:23:04.230 --> 00:23:08.069 accountability that we have before God, when we give an account before God, 309 00:23:08.750 --> 00:23:14.019 it's going to be the actions that we took with our body. Yeah, 310 00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:18.779 you know, it's going to be how we, through our autonomy, made 311 00:23:18.859 --> 00:23:22.700 decisions that ultimately affect other people. And so, you know, that's what 312 00:23:22.900 --> 00:23:26.220 love is. Love is not just a feeling, emotion inside, but it's 313 00:23:26.259 --> 00:23:29.289 how things are actually worked out in your own life. You First John, 314 00:23:29.369 --> 00:23:32.650 and first John John says brother, and we ought not love and word only, 315 00:23:32.809 --> 00:23:34.490 but also, indeed, again, the things that you're that you do 316 00:23:34.769 --> 00:23:38.210 with your with your body. That's right. Yeah, yeah, and and 317 00:23:38.730 --> 00:23:44.480 the the baby in the womb sense, this is all really coming back to. 318 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:52.079 Does the pregnant mom have the right to do whatever she wants with that 319 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:56.470 baby in the womb? And if you seem bodily autonomy as the argument, 320 00:23:56.990 --> 00:24:00.190 and you said one of the pro choice people that you spoke with even said 321 00:24:00.190 --> 00:24:04.190 I'll grant it's a person. Yeah. Well, I'm as part of that 322 00:24:04.230 --> 00:24:07.150 that argument where they say we did, would just will grant you this person. 323 00:24:07.349 --> 00:24:11.819 But but they're ignoring the fact that then this is another body. Well, 324 00:24:11.859 --> 00:24:17.460 what about that ones bodily autonomy? There it's clearly another body. No 325 00:24:17.660 --> 00:24:21.779 one can argue that it is not another body. It has a separate heart, 326 00:24:21.819 --> 00:24:26.289 separate blood, separate fingerprints, uniquely and wonderfully made. And you know 327 00:24:26.450 --> 00:24:30.890 every every organ unique and different from, separate from the mothers. So well, 328 00:24:30.930 --> 00:24:37.289 what about their bodily autonomy? Yeah, or the argument is then that, 329 00:24:37.490 --> 00:24:41.720 you know, we're sort of what argument is is that your bodily autonomy 330 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.160 ends when you are affecting another person. If the argument is that this baby 331 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:49.839 in the womb is affecting that that mother, well then just flip it around. 332 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:56.430 The mother is is harming that that other baby. So that argument is 333 00:24:56.630 --> 00:25:00.029 really illogical. I if they're going to grant, which some of them won't 334 00:25:00.029 --> 00:25:03.670 grant. Yeah, but if they're going to grant, this is another separate 335 00:25:03.710 --> 00:25:08.859 body and it doesn't take very long through just scientific medical evidence that yes, 336 00:25:10.019 --> 00:25:12.779 this is another body. Yeah, but if, if, that, if 337 00:25:14.779 --> 00:25:21.220 you can harm that child, you're saying, because they're harming you. Well, 338 00:25:21.930 --> 00:25:26.529 what about the Child? Yeah, and and what he is allowed to 339 00:25:26.609 --> 00:25:30.970 do towards you? Yeah, see, you can't have both those, right. 340 00:25:32.009 --> 00:25:34.410 Yeah, read some of the other scriptures, is I know you did 341 00:25:34.490 --> 00:25:38.119 some digging and some good. Yeah. Well, you know, first of 342 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:44.799 court we talked about Genesis. Then that that is the basis for for the 343 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.759 value of every human being. And then so what does that mean? Well, 344 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:56.470 it means that in genesis nine, verse six, whoever sheds human blood 345 00:25:56.509 --> 00:26:00.710 by humans shall their blood be shed. And why? For in the image 346 00:26:00.710 --> 00:26:07.579 of God has God made mankind. So so there is a value to human 347 00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:14.299 beings and God is clear that that value is so important that if you harm 348 00:26:14.859 --> 00:26:22.609 another human being, then there are consequences, severe consequences, and that's because 349 00:26:22.210 --> 00:26:26.690 those human beings are made in the in the image of God. Yeah, 350 00:26:26.730 --> 00:26:30.890 that's what gives them value. So I kind of went through the Bible just 351 00:26:32.650 --> 00:26:38.039 in order of some of the passages that I found that were spiff specific and 352 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:45.039 and I think something when you're thinking about bodily autonomy, so is is are 353 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.150 being able to do what we want with our body. The most important thing 354 00:26:49.269 --> 00:26:55.269 is that what we're here on earth for. Biblically, know biblically, go 355 00:26:55.470 --> 00:26:59.710 to Isaiah. Forty three, seven, everyone who is called by my name, 356 00:26:59.829 --> 00:27:04.180 whom, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made. 357 00:27:04.579 --> 00:27:11.500 So I think that gives us a really clear indication of what our purpose 358 00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:15.849 is. We're created for God's glory, Not for our glory, and that 359 00:27:15.970 --> 00:27:21.410 goes back to what you were saying with self idolatry, this bodily autonomy. 360 00:27:21.849 --> 00:27:27.410 Autonomy issue is really I'm what is important. I'm created for my glory. 361 00:27:27.450 --> 00:27:32.359 Yeah, but that's not what the Bible says. We're created for the glory 362 00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:38.839 of God. Then it is a Fort Fifteen. You know, how seriously 363 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:45.990 does God take the value of every human being that he has created? And 364 00:27:47.069 --> 00:27:49.630 I love these verses. Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and 365 00:27:49.750 --> 00:27:53.789 have no compassion on the child she is born? Though she may forget, 366 00:27:55.230 --> 00:27:57.740 I will not forget you. See, I have engraved you on the palms 367 00:27:57.819 --> 00:28:04.420 of my hands. So we are the value of every human being before God 368 00:28:06.220 --> 00:28:11.019 for his glory, and he's the one that has engraved us on the palms 369 00:28:11.059 --> 00:28:17.809 of his hands. So we don't have the right to destroy what he has 370 00:28:18.130 --> 00:28:22.450 created and what he has engraved. Yeah, and will never mean ultimately. 371 00:28:22.609 --> 00:28:26.240 You know, a lot of this centers around the idea of restraints, like, 372 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.200 no one has the right to restrain me to do what I want to 373 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.200 do with my body, as long as it doesn't affect another person. That's 374 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.960 sort of the caveat, as long as it doesn't affect another person. Of 375 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.839 course, in an abortion the argument is it does affect another person. And 376 00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:45.710 again it's like this self idolatry. Right, it's I get to say what 377 00:28:45.950 --> 00:28:49.230 happens to me and I get ultimately, though, it's bunk, because no 378 00:28:49.390 --> 00:28:53.190 one gets to say anything ultimately when it's all said and done, just like 379 00:28:53.269 --> 00:28:57.140 Jesus said. He says don't fear those who who can kill the body and, 380 00:28:57.220 --> 00:29:00.019 after the body is dead, have power to do nothing with the soul. 381 00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:03.220 But, feeling fear Him who, after the body is dead, has 382 00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:07.019 the power to cast the soul into hell. Right. So, ultimately, 383 00:29:07.099 --> 00:29:11.730 at the end of the day, your body is going to perish and this 384 00:29:11.849 --> 00:29:15.450 autonomy that you think you have is going to cease. Right, you're not 385 00:29:15.569 --> 00:29:19.569 going to have the ability to control your body. Once you're dead, you're 386 00:29:19.650 --> 00:29:22.650 beholding to God, the one who made you, the one who forms your 387 00:29:22.690 --> 00:29:26.400 body and who commands you to do with your body what is right and what 388 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:32.519 is good for his glory, for his glory and in because he says so. 389 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:37.359 Rank right and in and so, when your bodily autonomy is what you 390 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.750 think you have is bodily autonomy is gone, who ultimately is going to have 391 00:29:41.910 --> 00:29:45.670 the say so? Ultimately, God is. So why not give him the 392 00:29:45.750 --> 00:29:49.309 say so now? Why not yield to him now and do that which is 393 00:29:49.349 --> 00:29:52.099 right to him now? You know, it irks me to know end, 394 00:29:52.420 --> 00:29:57.380 to see people claiming to be Christians that would press a bodily autonomy argument. 395 00:29:57.619 --> 00:30:03.539 Now, somehow we're all able to make our own decisions and our decisions only 396 00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:07.289 affect us. That is just so outside of what the Scripture teaches. Yeah, 397 00:30:07.329 --> 00:30:12.930 we don't have autonomy, we have bodily responsibility. That's what we have 398 00:30:14.450 --> 00:30:21.210 and that's that's a greater thought. And then autonomy. Autonomy is Selfish Otto 399 00:30:21.410 --> 00:30:23.839 me self, see, it's what I mean. But when we talk about 400 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:29.359 responsibility, we talk about our ability to respond to the needs of other people, 401 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.240 to respond ultimately to God's truth. Right. Yeah, yeah, that's 402 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:40.470 great. Let's see if that one kind of says the same, same thing 403 00:30:40.509 --> 00:30:45.509 I said before. Let's see if I can find you another. How much 404 00:30:48.869 --> 00:30:52.539 in this is in Matthew six verse Twenty Six. Look at the birds of 405 00:30:52.619 --> 00:30:56.019 the air. They do not so a reap or store away in Barns, 406 00:30:56.339 --> 00:31:00.579 and yet your heavenly father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than 407 00:31:00.619 --> 00:31:04.089 they can any one of you by wearing at a single hour to your life 408 00:31:04.130 --> 00:31:08.529 for so again, talking about that. It is God who provides our needs, 409 00:31:08.569 --> 00:31:11.410 who cares for us, who loves US, yeah, and who values 410 00:31:11.450 --> 00:31:19.440 us. And and he's the one that has control ultimately over every everything. 411 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:25.559 Yeah, we are, and that we do that. He gave Jesus as 412 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.119 is only begotten Son. Yes, again showing the incredible value that God places 413 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.150 on our body. And then this is a great one. Romans twelve one, 414 00:31:34.470 --> 00:31:37.910 okay, a living sacrifice. Yeah, therefore, I urge you, 415 00:31:38.029 --> 00:31:42.789 brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as 416 00:31:42.869 --> 00:31:48.700 a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God. This is your true and 417 00:31:48.859 --> 00:31:52.460 proper worship, and I think that's as good on a versus any to talk 418 00:31:52.500 --> 00:31:57.339 about what are. What is the proper use of in fact, didn't use 419 00:31:57.539 --> 00:32:02.809 true and proper worship. Is the proper use of our body to offer our 420 00:32:02.849 --> 00:32:07.650 bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God. So here in 421 00:32:07.930 --> 00:32:15.440 in in abortion, it's like the the mother is offering another person's body as 422 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:21.000 a living sacrifice. Yeah, to God, which is not the God to 423 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:25.400 themselves. And I'm sorry exactly, but it is like offering a child to 424 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.269 a false god, like in the Old Testament where you sacrifice the child to 425 00:32:30.430 --> 00:32:35.269 bay all to the fire, and God hated that. Yes, said that 426 00:32:35.349 --> 00:32:39.910 that was an abomination. So I really like that. First in the whole 427 00:32:39.990 --> 00:32:46.500 discussion and we talked about the the Corinthians versus, and I think that was 428 00:32:47.019 --> 00:32:50.819 that was the there. I've one more. Okay, see what that is. 429 00:32:52.460 --> 00:32:54.819 This is from first Peter, okay, to versus four to five, 430 00:32:55.339 --> 00:33:00.369 as you come to him, the living stone, rejected by humans but chosen 431 00:33:00.450 --> 00:33:07.210 by God and precious to him. You also, like living stones, are 432 00:33:07.289 --> 00:33:10.970 being built into a spiritual house, to to be a holy priesthood, offering 433 00:33:12.089 --> 00:33:17.640 spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. So we have become them it. 434 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.680 Christ is first of all, described as the living stone, rejected by 435 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:29.950 humans but chosen by God and precious, and our role is to become like 436 00:33:30.150 --> 00:33:34.470 living stones ourselves. We don't come like Christ, ourselves and our bodies are 437 00:33:34.670 --> 00:33:43.259 that again, that a spiritual sacrifice, yeah, to God through ourselves, 438 00:33:43.339 --> 00:33:46.460 through our bodies. Yeah, the exact opposite of what happens in an abortion. 439 00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:49.900 Yeah, it's so. Ultimately, as Christians, you know, I 440 00:33:49.980 --> 00:33:53.980 can bring this around and use this for some call to action for believers. 441 00:33:55.849 --> 00:33:59.329 We see in the word of God there are things that God says that are 442 00:33:59.529 --> 00:34:04.210 completely immoral, no matter if you're a Christian or a nonbeliever, and murders 443 00:34:04.250 --> 00:34:06.529 course, of one of those things. Adultery is one of those things, 444 00:34:06.730 --> 00:34:08.969 these acts that you commit with your body that affect other people, that are 445 00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:14.840 sin and in God says don't do them. But as believers we have certain 446 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:20.559 commands, just like the Romans twelve passage, which is you you surrender your 447 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.309 body as a living sacrifice. Yeah, also the Corinthians passage that you read 448 00:34:24.510 --> 00:34:28.630 earlier, that our bodies are not our own, we are bought with a 449 00:34:28.869 --> 00:34:32.030 price. Yeah, so we don't have the right as believers, as as 450 00:34:32.070 --> 00:34:37.869 a larger society won't have a right to take advantage of other people and because 451 00:34:37.909 --> 00:34:39.579 of our own body autonomy and what we feel, what we want to do. 452 00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:45.019 But as believers we don't have a right just to do and where we 453 00:34:45.139 --> 00:34:49.539 want to go. We have to obey what God's word says. We're accountable 454 00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:54.050 to God. That whole thing bodily autonomy is bunk. It's bodily responsibility. 455 00:34:54.090 --> 00:34:59.730 We're responsible to do what God's word says we should do, which is in 456 00:34:59.809 --> 00:35:06.610 a society where people are making bodily autonomy the chief and making body and making 457 00:35:06.769 --> 00:35:10.000 self the idol, we've got to tear that thing down. We are called 458 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:15.159 to be those that bring the truth, that answer a larger society that believes 459 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:20.559 that, you know, abortion is moral because of bod the autonomy. It's 460 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:27.070 going to euthanasia, of course, it's going to assisted suicide, legalizing prostitution, 461 00:35:27.110 --> 00:35:30.670 all these other things, lealizing whatever drugs that people want to shoot into 462 00:35:30.670 --> 00:35:35.389 their bodies and all that other stuff. Right, and it's going down. 463 00:35:35.469 --> 00:35:38.900 He'll fast because of that self idolatry. We as believers have to uphold the 464 00:35:38.980 --> 00:35:44.739 standard of what God's word says. We have to uphold this this idea that 465 00:35:44.980 --> 00:35:49.420 human beings are made in God's image. We're not just evolved animals that are 466 00:35:49.659 --> 00:35:53.610 only accountable to ourselves. We are accountable to God. Yeah, and that's 467 00:35:53.690 --> 00:35:57.650 part of, you know, part of what we're doing. Had the abortion 468 00:35:57.730 --> 00:36:01.489 clinics right and and and I worry so much about what the message is going 469 00:36:01.570 --> 00:36:06.199 into the next generation, to our yeah, I think we've talked to people 470 00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.480 on these podcasts that I've been counseling, and I'm still counseling a pregnant teen 471 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:16.519 and early on in those discussions with her, she said, I'm not going 472 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:22.590 to give up my whole life for US cell. So there are a few 473 00:36:22.670 --> 00:36:27.789 things there. She's saying my life is what matters. And then there's the 474 00:36:28.309 --> 00:36:31.829 the learned belief that what she carried, she was eight weeks along at that 475 00:36:31.940 --> 00:36:36.579 time, that what she carried was a cell. Just to say, yeah, 476 00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:40.539 clearly not a cell. And but but the whole idea is she didn't 477 00:36:40.659 --> 00:36:47.530 need to give up her life for this other entity. Yeah, other body. 478 00:36:47.690 --> 00:36:53.090 And and that's such a you know that that is what happens to a 479 00:36:53.210 --> 00:37:04.119 culture who who says that I'm most important and and other sacrifice is not important 480 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.679 and sacrificing my needs and wants is not important and that other body in the 481 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.199 womb is. Yeah, value. Yeah. So I do think we have 482 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:17.429 to we have to fight that and and and speak truth, yeah, into 483 00:37:17.469 --> 00:37:23.789 that kind of a an understanding, yeah, and tear down that that self 484 00:37:23.909 --> 00:37:29.070 idolatry, that right idea that that self is the god of all things. 485 00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:31.460 And we do that with the word of God. We do that with a 486 00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:36.300 gospel. We do that, you know, talking about how Jesus himself came 487 00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:40.940 and laid his life down as the ultimate sacrifice, and those that put their 488 00:37:42.019 --> 00:37:46.530 trust in him. You know, the rightful response to what Jesus has done 489 00:37:46.570 --> 00:37:51.929 for us, our creator comes and laces life down. The rightful response is 490 00:37:52.010 --> 00:37:54.969 that we lay our lives down. We lay our lives down for the sake 491 00:37:55.050 --> 00:37:59.480 of others. We lay our lives down because there are people that are suffering 492 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.239 who, by God's grace, we can alleviate their suffering by either speaking on 493 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.559 their behalf, Iye, you know, speaking for the unborn, but also 494 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:13.389 meeting practical needs. You know, it's part of our calling as believers to 495 00:38:13.469 --> 00:38:17.710 lay our lives down and to lay self and the idol of self to the 496 00:38:17.869 --> 00:38:22.630 side. And Make God first in our hearts. That's right, and that's 497 00:38:22.630 --> 00:38:27.110 the call of of the word of God toward the Christian. So basically, 498 00:38:27.179 --> 00:38:29.780 that's sort of what I wanted to cover. If you having more to cover 499 00:38:29.900 --> 00:38:31.699 on that's cool. If not, I'll wrap this thing up. And No, 500 00:38:32.019 --> 00:38:36.099 I think that's good. I think that we are, you know, 501 00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:39.699 ultimately we are to bring glory to God through our bodies and we are to 502 00:38:39.739 --> 00:38:45.929 be imitators of Christ. and He, like you said, he laid down 503 00:38:45.090 --> 00:38:51.329 his life for others. And the mother is not laying down her life for 504 00:38:51.489 --> 00:38:57.840 the child. She is making sacrifices in carrying a child. But God never 505 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.440 tells us that we're here on Earth for our comfort, happiness and ease. 506 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.480 Yeah, but we're here on earth to bring glory to God and to be 507 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:10.750 imitators of Christ. Yeah, yeah, Amen. Well, that's kind of 508 00:39:10.789 --> 00:39:15.429 the subject we wanted to cover today. Appreciate all those that joined us on 509 00:39:15.550 --> 00:39:19.110 the Gospel Center pro life podcast. If you want to connect with me, 510 00:39:19.230 --> 00:39:22.309 you can get that. 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