Are Vaccines Pro-Life?

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.759 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.470 Lord, I am Your Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 3 00:00:10.589 --> 00:00:14.310 In this episode we're going to talk about vaccines. Is it pro life to 4 00:00:14.390 --> 00:00:19.309 take vaccines? Or aborted fetal cells really used in vaccines? Stay with us. 5 00:00:19.710 --> 00:00:29.059 Send Me, Lord. I felt show passish, touch your heart. 6 00:00:31.500 --> 00:00:38.689 Use me well. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you 7 00:00:38.810 --> 00:00:43.450 guys tuning in. Appreciate you guys listening. Appreciate you guys sharing this podcast. 8 00:00:43.609 --> 00:00:46.090 We hope that these episodes have been a blessing. We hope that this 9 00:00:46.170 --> 00:00:50.119 episode will be a blessing to you guys as well, and we encourage you, 10 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.520 guys, as it just sh just said, to share this podcast with 11 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:57.000 your friends, with your family, with people that you love, people that 12 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.759 you hate. Well, if you're Christian, you shouldn't hate anybody. Actually, 13 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.159 you should love everyone. People do you don't like so much. Share 14 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.310 it with them. I think it'll be a blessing in this one might actually 15 00:01:07.349 --> 00:01:11.109 help stir up some controversy in your life. Yeah, and make people not 16 00:01:11.230 --> 00:01:14.829 like you so much, or maybe like you better. I don't know. 17 00:01:15.790 --> 00:01:19.340 So keep quiet there. They're important things. I think it's very important things 18 00:01:19.379 --> 00:01:23.819 to share. I think it's important. I think it's a little bit difficult 19 00:01:23.859 --> 00:01:26.980 to sort through, though. Hopefully we're going to sort through this together, 20 00:01:26.180 --> 00:01:30.340 guys. Yeah, what we're going to be talking about? We're talking about 21 00:01:30.379 --> 00:01:38.170 the bio ethics of vaccine. The it is it? The call, yeah, 22 00:01:38.450 --> 00:01:45.409 to use vaccines that have been derived through the use of aboarded fetal cell 23 00:01:45.609 --> 00:01:51.879 yeah, and that's why. That point there is why we're doing this episode. 24 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:56.079 It's right. Yeah, we're not experts. I'm not a medical expert, 25 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.239 I'm not an expert on vaccines. I am not an anti Vaxxer, 26 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:05.230 I'm not a pro vaxer either. I'm kind of somewhere in between. Just 27 00:02:05.390 --> 00:02:07.709 so that you guys know where I'm coming from. Where you? Where do 28 00:02:07.709 --> 00:02:10.870 you staying on that whole thing? Um, I don't think I I'm knowledgeable 29 00:02:10.949 --> 00:02:15.780 enough. In general, I'm probably where you are. I think vaccines have 30 00:02:15.979 --> 00:02:22.259 clearly done great service to to humanity. I do think there's too many vaccines 31 00:02:22.460 --> 00:02:25.539 now and and I do question the safety of some vaccines, for sure, 32 00:02:25.780 --> 00:02:30.250 including I I have some concerns about this new vaccine, the new covid vaccine. 33 00:02:30.409 --> 00:02:35.289 Yeah, so in general, I think I'm probably kind of somewhere in 34 00:02:35.330 --> 00:02:38.969 the middle. Yeah, and so, okay, that being the case, 35 00:02:38.169 --> 00:02:42.530 why in the world would we, as a gospel center pro life podcast, 36 00:02:43.250 --> 00:02:46.599 even care about the issue of vaccines? Wow, wow, why would we 37 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:51.080 cover this? Yeah, and there are some very important at the call and 38 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:54.759 pro life issues surrounding vaccines. There is no doubt, and many people don't 39 00:02:54.759 --> 00:03:05.469 know this, but most vaccines have been developed through the use of aborded fetal 40 00:03:06.110 --> 00:03:13.939 cell lines that were from mostly to aborted babies. In the S and I 41 00:03:14.020 --> 00:03:17.180 think there was one kidneys cells from one aboarded in the eight I think eighty 42 00:03:17.259 --> 00:03:22.259 five. Yeah, and there is, there is a lot of use of 43 00:03:22.340 --> 00:03:29.250 aborded fetal cells in research and in the pharmaceutical industry currently. Yeah, I 44 00:03:29.289 --> 00:03:32.449 mean they're they're that's why there was that big scandal with plan parenthood. So 45 00:03:34.210 --> 00:03:38.009 that is a plant parenthood selling baby parts, correct and all correct. So 46 00:03:38.169 --> 00:03:43.199 that is that. It is clearly a pro life issue and of deep concern 47 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:47.319 to to many people that that we are pro life and we don't want to 48 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:55.189 do anything that might be tainted with the use of aborted fetal cells for for 49 00:03:55.590 --> 00:04:00.189 any purpose. Yeah, well, I mean if they're killing babies to make 50 00:04:00.229 --> 00:04:03.789 vaccines, then that's an issue, right, and it's going to get abortion 51 00:04:03.830 --> 00:04:06.669 will never end. If you start there, all of a sudden abortion becomes 52 00:04:06.710 --> 00:04:12.180 a money maker, not only to the doctors doing the abortion in the industries, 53 00:04:12.300 --> 00:04:16.019 but also for science and research. Yes, so it's a big issue. 54 00:04:16.060 --> 00:04:19.019 It's important issue. Yeah, absolutely, and I do want to cover 55 00:04:19.180 --> 00:04:23.860 real quick some of the things that were not going to talk about. Right, 56 00:04:24.180 --> 00:04:29.689 okay, we're not going to talk about how vaccines could potentially cause autism 57 00:04:29.689 --> 00:04:31.569 or not. Right, we're not going to talk about that. We're not 58 00:04:31.649 --> 00:04:36.569 going to talk about how effective vaccines are. However, I will say that 59 00:04:36.889 --> 00:04:44.199 to deny that vaccines have had a positive effect, and my mind shoot me, 60 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:48.279 but in my mind your denying reality. Like vaccines have had a positive 61 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:54.709 impact. Yeah, at least in everything that I've read, unless your total 62 00:04:55.230 --> 00:05:00.430 conspiracy theorist or something, which I'm not, vaccines have had at least a 63 00:05:00.629 --> 00:05:03.629 some kind of positive impact. Again, we're not going to get into that, 64 00:05:03.870 --> 00:05:09.100 though, now. So we're not gonna this is safety effects. Yet 65 00:05:09.379 --> 00:05:12.939 we're not. We're not going to get into into that either. You're going 66 00:05:12.939 --> 00:05:15.699 to have to research all of that on yourself. We do put some of 67 00:05:15.740 --> 00:05:19.019 it in an article? Sure that that we these kind of other points? 68 00:05:19.060 --> 00:05:24.089 Yeah, in an article that will be linked to this podcast. Yeah, 69 00:05:24.129 --> 00:05:30.089 but that's not we're dealing with the the ethics of mostly the covid that don't 70 00:05:30.129 --> 00:05:34.839 covid vaccines. Are they ethical for a pro life person? Yeah, to 71 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:40.399 take an even other vaccines, are they ethical from a pro life? Yeah, 72 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:45.319 point. And so just again, so you guess understand the fact that 73 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:48.079 we're not talking about those other things doesn't mean those other things don't matter, 74 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.149 right, or that we don't have an opinion about those other things. Actually, 75 00:05:51.149 --> 00:05:55.949 I don't have much knowledge about the whole autism thing and all of that, 76 00:05:56.310 --> 00:06:00.149 but I'm not discounting that. I'm not discounting that as a concern or 77 00:06:00.149 --> 00:06:03.939 any of the other concerns. It's just not what we're going to be talking 78 00:06:03.939 --> 00:06:06.540 about. So they don't take because we're not touching on those things, that 79 00:06:06.699 --> 00:06:10.459 we don't care about those or they don't matter. They do matter, it's 80 00:06:10.500 --> 00:06:13.100 just not what we're touching on here. So let's jump into what we actually 81 00:06:13.139 --> 00:06:16.220 are touching on. Yeah, okay, so if ax, if vaccines are 82 00:06:16.259 --> 00:06:24.769 indeed created or produced using aborted fetal cells, we clearly would have a moral 83 00:06:24.810 --> 00:06:31.850 obligation to not use those vaccines. So if they are being developed with the 84 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:40.759 ongoing harvesting of aborted fetal cells, there's no doubt. There is no doubt 85 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:45.519 that we should not be using those vaccines or whatever products are may absolutely from 86 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:48.910 from an ongoing process of using aboarded fetal cells to develop them. Yeah, 87 00:06:49.550 --> 00:06:55.269 but with the question gets gray, and this is what actually is happening, 88 00:06:55.990 --> 00:07:02.660 is there are fetal cell lines, not the actual fetal cells, but fetal 89 00:07:02.779 --> 00:07:09.779 cells from aborted babies decades ago. Yeah, that then have been cultured and 90 00:07:10.540 --> 00:07:19.089 those cell lines have been used in developing vaccines and sometimes in testing vaccines. 91 00:07:19.129 --> 00:07:27.129 Okay, and that's where prolife and all Christians, although those who believe in 92 00:07:27.290 --> 00:07:30.319 love the Lord, Wrestle with is it at the cual for me, yeah, 93 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:35.160 to use those vaccines. So you're saying that just so people who are 94 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:40.480 listening, who were tuning in, understand what we're talking about. There were 95 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:44.199 babies that were aborted back in and I've got her in down here, nineteen 96 00:07:45.509 --> 00:07:47.790 ninety or one thousand nineteen sixty six and one thousand nine hundred and sixty two 97 00:07:47.829 --> 00:07:50.430 or two of the fetal cell lines. So there are babies that were aboarded 98 00:07:50.550 --> 00:07:56.589 then, right, that were not aborted just for the sake of using their 99 00:07:56.629 --> 00:08:00.220 cells, but they were aborted and then their cells were used after the fact. 100 00:08:00.379 --> 00:08:03.540 So correct. The intention was, at least from all the information that's 101 00:08:03.579 --> 00:08:05.540 been gathered that we can tell, the intention was not to kill them in 102 00:08:05.620 --> 00:08:09.860 order to use them to make vaccines. But those cells were available, so 103 00:08:09.980 --> 00:08:15.250 they use those cells because there were the most, I don't know, usable 104 00:08:15.370 --> 00:08:20.529 cells for this particular purpose. And those cells themselves, the original cells, 105 00:08:20.569 --> 00:08:24.810 are no longer alive, right, right, but they've been cultured. So 106 00:08:26.009 --> 00:08:30.959 cells have formed from cells, from cells, from cells ultimately, and those 107 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:35.600 cell lines, or what it's currently being used in some of the production of 108 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.159 some of the vaccines, right, right. And the cells, just so 109 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.389 we're clear again, we're even if there were cell lines, and there are, 110 00:08:43.429 --> 00:08:48.710 actually those cells are not actually what's in the vaccine, but the vaccines 111 00:08:48.750 --> 00:08:54.070 are actually grown on or cultured on the cells of that correct, that that's 112 00:08:54.940 --> 00:09:00.220 when they're being used. How produced the vaccines or they're using those cell lines 113 00:09:00.299 --> 00:09:03.700 to actually test whether the vaccine is effective. Okay. So, anyway about 114 00:09:03.700 --> 00:09:09.139 it, it's not like there's aborted fetal cells are being injected into us. 115 00:09:09.179 --> 00:09:13.250 Yeah, it's not happening and I think there is that misconception. Yeah, 116 00:09:13.289 --> 00:09:16.889 and you'll see that on facebook. I've heard that with one of the the 117 00:09:16.129 --> 00:09:22.210 pro abortion people who, right was out kind of ragging me about being out 118 00:09:22.330 --> 00:09:26.279 and having a group of people out there because of Covid and I was just 119 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:30.039 messing around and I said I'm okay, I don't have to worry about covid 120 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:31.440 because I got the trump vaccine. So so I'm good to go. And 121 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:35.279 she was like, you got a vaccine that uses aborted fetal cells. You 122 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:39.149 have aborted fetal cells in your body or a boarded fetuses in your body or 123 00:09:39.190 --> 00:09:43.309 whatever is even this pro abortion person, yeah, knew about this and try 124 00:09:43.350 --> 00:09:46.990 to use it against me. Yeah, and so, yeah, there's a 125 00:09:46.029 --> 00:09:50.789 lot of information. Even she thought that aborted fetus is now. She wouldn't 126 00:09:50.789 --> 00:09:54.299 care, right. Yeah, but they thought them. They're telling us on 127 00:09:54.460 --> 00:09:56.220 her. Yeah. Yeah, you heard some of our reviews, if you've 128 00:09:56.460 --> 00:10:00.379 read some of our reviews on our podcast, are talking about yummy fetuses. 129 00:10:00.460 --> 00:10:01.980 So yeah, I mean they could care less. But she was trying to 130 00:10:03.019 --> 00:10:05.899 use that against me. The point is that even pro abortion people have this 131 00:10:07.019 --> 00:10:11.690 misconception that aborted fetuses are being ejected in people's bodies for the sake of vaccinating 132 00:10:11.730 --> 00:10:18.490 them from from diseases. And additionally, they are aware that this should be 133 00:10:18.490 --> 00:10:24.120 of some concern to pro lifers. Yeah, and so if they're aware and 134 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:33.320 they think that these people that are advocating for life of the unborn are using 135 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:39.269 aborted fetal cells for their benefit, it makes them look like us, look 136 00:10:39.309 --> 00:10:43.309 like hypocrites, and so it's important for us to be able to discern are 137 00:10:43.389 --> 00:10:48.110 we are we being hypocritical? If we have vaccines? What are the ethics 138 00:10:48.149 --> 00:10:52.379 around it? And that's we're hoping to discuss that. Yeah, in in 139 00:10:52.740 --> 00:10:58.059 in this in this podcast. So I read through a whole bunch of articles 140 00:10:58.340 --> 00:11:03.980 to try and understand this as best that I could, and one of the 141 00:11:03.220 --> 00:11:09.970 really good articles, the author was Kyle McKenna and the title is aborded fetal 142 00:11:09.049 --> 00:11:16.769 tissue in vaccines and medical research obscures the value of all human life. So 143 00:11:16.809 --> 00:11:18.679 when we've got this link, and will link this with the podcast so that 144 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:24.399 you can go through and and read it in itself yourself. But the the 145 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:30.159 author of the article says that. Here's his question. Can we in good 146 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:35.870 conscience support any intervention that is developed through any relationship to the brutal crime of 147 00:11:35.909 --> 00:11:39.429 abortion? If, if aborted babies are used in any part of the vaccine 148 00:11:39.470 --> 00:11:43.990 process, directly or from long ago, is it ethical for us to use 149 00:11:43.149 --> 00:11:48.940 that vaccine? That's the basic question that this article raises. And here's his 150 00:11:48.580 --> 00:11:54.899 concern, and I'm just going to quote this presents a contradiction in the attitude 151 00:11:54.940 --> 00:11:58.820 of the researcher, who says that he does not approve of the injustice abortion 152 00:11:58.899 --> 00:12:05.409 perpetrated by others but at the same time excepts for zone work the biological material, 153 00:12:05.889 --> 00:12:11.769 so the aborted fetal cells which the others have obtained by means of that 154 00:12:11.970 --> 00:12:18.879 injustice. Yeah, so it's setting up a contradiction in his mind. He 155 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:24.759 knows abortions evil, but he's using it for good. And how does how 156 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.320 does he reconcile that? Yes, it's almost like the riot of this article 157 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:33.149 is saying your hypocrite if you, as a researcher, say that abortion is 158 00:12:33.309 --> 00:12:37.110 wrong, right, and yet you're accepting the material, E. aborted fetal 159 00:12:37.149 --> 00:12:43.190 tissue. That would be using that research right. Your hypocrite. And Yeah, 160 00:12:43.230 --> 00:12:46.379 that's again, that's the main concern and that's why we're doing this podcast. 161 00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:50.779 Are Pro lifers hypocrites that exact allow their children to have vaccines or that 162 00:12:50.820 --> 00:12:54.820 are going to take the COVID vaccine? Or Yeah, we're being hypocritical. 163 00:12:54.139 --> 00:12:58.450 And so also, I want to just make you guys aware that, again, 164 00:12:58.490 --> 00:13:03.769 we're not medical experts, were not bioethical experts. We're just thinking these 165 00:13:03.809 --> 00:13:07.049 things through from a practical perspective, from a Biblical perspective, and I don't 166 00:13:07.049 --> 00:13:11.450 know at the end of this podcast if you're going to have I mean, 167 00:13:11.610 --> 00:13:13.960 you'll have solid information, but if you're going to be able to say, 168 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.879 at the end of this podcast, I'm definitely not doing vaccines, definitely not 169 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:20.960 doing covid vaccines. Are I definitely am a definite we're just giving you some 170 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.879 stuff to think about, some stuff to worry about. Sort and he only 171 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.549 do understand the you'll know this exists, that this issue even exists. When 172 00:13:28.590 --> 00:13:33.389 I went to my doctor when I, for I first found out about aboarded 173 00:13:33.470 --> 00:13:37.269 fetal cell lines in vaccines not that long ago, a few years ago, 174 00:13:37.429 --> 00:13:41.100 and I asked my doctor, who want to give me some vaccine whether that 175 00:13:41.299 --> 00:13:46.740 vaccine was made with aboarded fetal cell lines, and she didn't even know that 176 00:13:46.820 --> 00:13:50.860 that was a thing. She didn't know anything about it and she had to 177 00:13:50.899 --> 00:13:54.299 go look that up. So I think we need to be educated about this, 178 00:13:54.740 --> 00:13:58.169 this issue, so that that's our concern. So the author of that 179 00:13:58.370 --> 00:14:05.529 article that I just cited said that the the the big concern is that any 180 00:14:07.009 --> 00:14:13.120 scientific advance from the use of fetal tissue from elective abortions desensitizes the people who 181 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:18.480 benefit from it, the scientist and the doctors, to the original evil act 182 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:30.590 that produced those cells. And ultimately, could that desensitization lead to validating elective 183 00:14:30.629 --> 00:14:35.110 abortions for a greater good? That slippery slope of it was okay to use 184 00:14:35.149 --> 00:14:39.899 those cell lines. Look at all the good that came of it. Well, 185 00:14:39.940 --> 00:14:45.259 let's keep aboarding babies and using the their cells are perfect for for this 186 00:14:46.220 --> 00:14:52.889 thing that, for developing vaccines or whatever medical advances. So they conclude, 187 00:14:54.009 --> 00:14:58.330 all people of good conscience have the responsibility to voice opposition to the use of 188 00:14:58.370 --> 00:15:05.970 fetal tissue from elective abortions in order to promote the development of alternatives, affirm 189 00:15:07.009 --> 00:15:09.960 the value of human life and limit scandal. Yeah, so they're saying, 190 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:18.080 unless you oppose the use of fetal cell lines, aborted fetal cell lines, 191 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:22.509 being used in vaccines, will there ever, will there be any reason for 192 00:15:22.909 --> 00:15:31.429 scientists and researchers to try to find an alternative that is ethically fine? Okay, 193 00:15:31.750 --> 00:15:35.059 without about question at all. Yeah, fetal cells, and these authors 194 00:15:35.139 --> 00:15:41.220 conclude maybe not. Yeah. So so that's the first point of view, 195 00:15:41.379 --> 00:15:45.179 okay, that they're there. Clearly are vaccines that we are going to go 196 00:15:45.220 --> 00:15:48.580 into more depth about what vaccines actually use aborted fetal cell lines in which ones 197 00:15:48.659 --> 00:15:52.250 don't? There are some that don't. Cry Few actually that don't. But 198 00:15:52.370 --> 00:15:58.490 then there's another point of view, and and an organization that I think presented 199 00:15:58.529 --> 00:16:03.529 that as well as any I've read, is creation ministries. Okay, I 200 00:16:03.649 --> 00:16:08.679 believe it's Creationcom. Yeah, is is their website. They argue the opposite 201 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:14.200 point of view. So in in that article, and we're going to list 202 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:18.309 that article also, the author states that it's it's important to understand that. 203 00:16:18.590 --> 00:16:22.950 First of all, there are misconceptions, which we already talked about, yeah, 204 00:16:22.990 --> 00:16:26.549 about the it's not aborted baby parts are not being, you know, 205 00:16:26.710 --> 00:16:30.669 injected into your body. So you don't have to worry about that and no 206 00:16:30.830 --> 00:16:37.500 more babies today are being used, are being aborted and used to make current 207 00:16:37.659 --> 00:16:41.220 cell lines for use in the vaccine. They say, though, as you 208 00:16:41.379 --> 00:16:49.409 said, unequivocally, vaccines have been proven to help humanity in so many terrible 209 00:16:49.889 --> 00:16:55.129 diseases from the past, polio, yeah, being one of the main ones 210 00:16:55.370 --> 00:17:00.090 mentioned. So they make the point that the greater good of using vaccines, 211 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:07.279 even those developed from the aborted fetal cell lines, makes it okay for a 212 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:17.390 Christian to use those vaccines because it the the good benefit is so far removed 213 00:17:17.869 --> 00:17:22.829 from the original evil act. Yeah, so they're not that's discounting that abortion 214 00:17:22.950 --> 00:17:26.069 is an evil act. They are not. They're not discounting the fact that 215 00:17:26.190 --> 00:17:33.019 aborted fetal cell lines are used to produce vaccines and the test vaccines. And 216 00:17:33.099 --> 00:17:36.579 they're just saying, though, that the good outwaghs the bad, right, 217 00:17:36.660 --> 00:17:41.220 and that's kind of the question, you know, if the good outweighs the 218 00:17:41.339 --> 00:17:45.410 bad. And if that's the case, then still there's bad, right? 219 00:17:45.450 --> 00:17:49.650 Yeah, there's they're still bad in this in the scenario. Can we, 220 00:17:49.730 --> 00:17:53.690 as Christians, compromise? I mean that's really the question. Can we compromise 221 00:17:55.089 --> 00:17:57.130 because the good always the bad. Right, in order to read the good 222 00:17:57.210 --> 00:18:03.880 benefit, they give an example of an original evil leading to a greater good 223 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:07.400 to help us understand their point. And they use the example of a drunk 224 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:12.589 driver who, he drinks, gets drunk, gets behind the wheel of a 225 00:18:12.710 --> 00:18:18.069 car and then is killed in the accident. Okay, and he happens to 226 00:18:18.109 --> 00:18:22.349 be an organ doner, so his organs are harvested and used, maybe to 227 00:18:22.430 --> 00:18:32.019 save many other lives. The original evil act drive in while drunk. That's 228 00:18:32.019 --> 00:18:34.500 evil and and it ended in his death, maybe even took the lives of 229 00:18:34.579 --> 00:18:38.900 other people. Yeah, as he crashed his car, but there was a 230 00:18:40.180 --> 00:18:44.410 good that came of that evil, harvesting his organs, and there were many 231 00:18:44.529 --> 00:18:51.490 people that benefited. Should we not have used his organs for that greater good 232 00:18:52.369 --> 00:18:57.839 just because the act that allowed those organs to be available was evil? I'm 233 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.400 my opinion. I think we're okay to use those organize. He was an 234 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:07.519 organ Downer, right, so he gave his consent. He gave his consent. 235 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:11.150 Yeah, of course. The question is or it's not even a question. 236 00:19:11.670 --> 00:19:15.150 The reality is that baby that was killed, even if, even though 237 00:19:15.190 --> 00:19:18.470 it was nineteen sixty six or nineteen sixty two was a long time ago. 238 00:19:18.630 --> 00:19:22.950 Still, that baby did not give consent. Right. Quite possibly that Mother 239 00:19:23.660 --> 00:19:26.660 didn't give consense, and even if she did, that wouldn't matter because we're 240 00:19:26.660 --> 00:19:30.539 talking about a separate life. Yeah, so the scenario is a bit different. 241 00:19:30.579 --> 00:19:34.819 Yeah, it is. Plus you go to the the original consent of 242 00:19:36.740 --> 00:19:41.170 did the baby ever give consent to being aborted? You know, and probably 243 00:19:41.210 --> 00:19:45.930 would not have if the baby could have spoken. Yeah, so they talked 244 00:19:45.930 --> 00:19:51.490 about in that. I'll just say the the point is understood. Nonetheless, 245 00:19:52.170 --> 00:19:55.400 there's evil acts that are committed. I mean you could kind of even tweak 246 00:19:55.480 --> 00:20:00.640 the story a bit in like what you mentioned. Let's say this drunk driver 247 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.799 did kill somebody and there was somebody in the other car. Yeah, that 248 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:10.470 was an organ Downer and those organs were donated in that family. Let's say 249 00:20:10.509 --> 00:20:15.670 the surviving family members wanted to donate those organs and they were used for whatever 250 00:20:15.750 --> 00:20:21.230 good. Maybe they they were used to cultivate cells that would ultimately be used 251 00:20:21.269 --> 00:20:23.140 to make vaccines. I don't, don't. I wouldn't have a problem with 252 00:20:23.299 --> 00:20:27.259 that really. Yeah, it wouldn't be much of a moral dilemma there. 253 00:20:29.859 --> 00:20:34.140 The issue comes, though, if we're intentionally getting people drunk and getting them 254 00:20:34.220 --> 00:20:38.450 direct and kill other people so that we can harvest the organs for other things. 255 00:20:38.529 --> 00:20:41.130 The issue is, and I think the main dilemma for us should be, 256 00:20:41.809 --> 00:20:47.809 is our babies intentionally being aborted so that we can use them as a 257 00:20:47.890 --> 00:20:52.680 society in vaccinations and other things? And from what I understand, that's not 258 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.799 happening. These people sell love being developed there. That's how why they're being 259 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.799 aborted. They certainly are, though. We know that this is happening because 260 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.430 of what David de Leyden showed us with the plan parenthood. We do know 261 00:21:04.630 --> 00:21:10.349 that aborted baby parts are being sold for profit. They're not supposed to be, 262 00:21:10.470 --> 00:21:15.349 but they are. Yeah, in order to for scientific research pharmaceutical uses. 263 00:21:15.589 --> 00:21:21.460 Yeah, but you know the fact that the aborted fetal cell lines that 264 00:21:21.539 --> 00:21:26.700 are being used even now are from the s at least tells me that there's 265 00:21:26.740 --> 00:21:32.740 not this ongoing. They're intentionally killing children in the womb in order to use 266 00:21:32.819 --> 00:21:37.089 them to make vaccines. Right, they're using these fetal cell lines and, 267 00:21:37.849 --> 00:21:41.049 matter of fact, just talked real quick because you had a conversation with Dr 268 00:21:41.089 --> 00:21:45.930 Matt who's a local position. Yeah, Talk Real quick about why they would 269 00:21:45.930 --> 00:21:48.720 even continue to use these, because the question in my mind could be why 270 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.599 not use fetal cells from a baby that was a result of miscarriage and a 271 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:56.920 Mother did give consent? She wandered that that tragedy of losing her child, 272 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.150 yeah, to be redemptive, and so she offers her her baby's body, 273 00:22:02.190 --> 00:22:04.509 as people do, to science and to be able to, you know, 274 00:22:06.710 --> 00:22:11.630 conduct research and ultimately come up with a vaccine. Why don't they do that? 275 00:22:11.029 --> 00:22:14.990 WHY FETAL SET? Why these fetal cell lines? Yeah, and and 276 00:22:15.109 --> 00:22:19.460 I specifically asked Dr Matt Harrison. He's he's a friend of the ministry and 277 00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:26.740 the doctor who actually pioneered the abortion pill reversal procedure and protocol. So I 278 00:22:27.220 --> 00:22:32.250 asked him that question. Since we know that there are people willing to offer 279 00:22:32.329 --> 00:22:37.210 miscarried babies organ cells for research, why are aborted baby cell lines used at 280 00:22:37.210 --> 00:22:40.930 all? Why and why not switch over to what we know is morally ethical? 281 00:22:41.130 --> 00:22:45.839 It's okay from a Pro Life Sto or Christian standpoint, and he said 282 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:49.559 the lines were established many years ago and have remained viable. So I don't 283 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:55.359 think they've bothered to develop more with miscarried babies. Also I'm unsure about newer 284 00:22:55.400 --> 00:23:00.190 lines of cells because in medical terms, and abortionist is either spontaneous miscarriage or 285 00:23:00.349 --> 00:23:06.390 induced, which is in termination through the the abortionist. We call it abortion. 286 00:23:06.910 --> 00:23:11.430 So for all I know, newer lines may have used miscarried fetuses, 287 00:23:11.980 --> 00:23:18.059 but I doubt it because of the controlled situation offered and induced abortions. So 288 00:23:18.220 --> 00:23:22.700 basically, they've got these lines, there's still viable and and so go ahead 289 00:23:22.700 --> 00:23:27.210 and use them. They've they've done what they were supposed to do over all 290 00:23:27.289 --> 00:23:33.130 these decades, so they're continuing to use them. Yeah, and then I 291 00:23:33.329 --> 00:23:36.769 thanked him and said it just seems if there was a greater push for completely 292 00:23:36.890 --> 00:23:40.769 ethical vaccines that would be an option, that you would just get rid of 293 00:23:40.809 --> 00:23:45.279 these abort its fetal cell lines that are better course, proversy and questionable, 294 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.440 and he agreed with me. He's he said, a so. So, 295 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.839 in other words, that's going back to the rite, the original point of 296 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:59.589 view, which is, unless you oppose the morally questionable vaccines, is there 297 00:23:59.670 --> 00:24:03.910 ever going to be a push for morally ethical vaccines? And maybe not. 298 00:24:04.309 --> 00:24:10.819 Yeah, so there's a the article talked about something called the principle of double 299 00:24:10.859 --> 00:24:15.740 effect and that's if a contemplated action has both good and bad effects, then 300 00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:19.140 it's permissible only if it is not wrong in itself, and it does not 301 00:24:19.339 --> 00:24:26.369 require that one directly intend the bad result. So what what that means is 302 00:24:26.569 --> 00:24:32.369 by producing the vaccine using the available cell lines derived from the aborted baby decades 303 00:24:32.450 --> 00:24:37.759 ago. The researcher did not intend the abortion, nor have any direct responsibility 304 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:44.799 for the abortion, but a significant good came from that original evil, and 305 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:51.000 and the principle of double effects as that, even though that evil. There 306 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:56.230 was evil, but there was good that came of it, and so you 307 00:24:56.430 --> 00:25:03.069 can ethically avail yourself of the good. That's basically what that saying. Okay. 308 00:25:03.589 --> 00:25:07.779 So they also make several summary points on vaccines. Vaccines do more good 309 00:25:07.779 --> 00:25:11.059 than harm. According and this is, by the way, a scientific organization. 310 00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:14.619 They do research, they have they have good studying, from what I 311 00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:19.380 feel just looking on their websites, creation dot calm or do creationcom. Okay, 312 00:25:19.700 --> 00:25:23.049 is just looking on their website. Every time I look at any kind 313 00:25:23.089 --> 00:25:29.369 of Christianese sort of website I'm always looking at their statement of faith. Look 314 00:25:29.490 --> 00:25:33.609 solid to me. Yeah, looks to be a solid Christian resource and and 315 00:25:34.450 --> 00:25:38.079 so they're scientific and they're serious about the Bible. Is Serious about the word 316 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:42.799 of God and maybe you guys know differently than I do. Maybe you've done 317 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.240 it a little deeper into this organization. There's some some questions that you guys 318 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:52.430 have. I didn't have any real questions about. Yeah, they're seriousness about 319 00:25:52.430 --> 00:25:56.390 the Bible and what the honor God. So these are people that Doug with 320 00:25:56.470 --> 00:26:00.150 a biblical dug into the information with a biblical world view. So we have 321 00:26:00.269 --> 00:26:03.500 they do know what we're talking some weight on that. They they are science 322 00:26:03.579 --> 00:26:08.619 scientists that they've, you know, and research it that they have carefully gone 323 00:26:08.660 --> 00:26:12.980 through. So there's some very points on the vaccines, that the vaccines do 324 00:26:14.099 --> 00:26:18.970 more good than harm, that they do counteract the effects of diseases we encounter 325 00:26:18.049 --> 00:26:22.450 as a result of the fall that vaccines I thought this was an interesting point. 326 00:26:22.450 --> 00:26:26.569 They train our immune system to be what God designed it to be. 327 00:26:26.930 --> 00:26:32.329 Yeah, so because of the fall, our immune systems are not fighting the 328 00:26:32.410 --> 00:26:37.240 way that they should and and the vaccines just kind of give a boost to 329 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.400 our immune system to do what but God wants it to do. They claim 330 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.680 that any toxic elements in the vaccines or either many times lower than a toxic 331 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.069 dose or occur naturally in the body in greater amounts than in vaccines. We're 332 00:26:49.109 --> 00:26:52.710 not here to argue that. That's just what the CREATIONCOM says. Yeah, 333 00:26:53.109 --> 00:27:00.910 and we can still trust God and use the medical advances of people God has 334 00:27:00.109 --> 00:27:06.099 bled been or God has blessed to produce those medical advances. I think that's 335 00:27:06.099 --> 00:27:08.460 a really important point. Yeah, that's a massively important point, because there's 336 00:27:08.500 --> 00:27:11.819 a mentality out there that, you know, we should just trust God, 337 00:27:12.579 --> 00:27:19.809 we should just go about and not even be concerned with whatever other medical things 338 00:27:19.890 --> 00:27:23.890 could be going on. I don't think that's a biblical mentality. You do 339 00:27:25.089 --> 00:27:29.369 hear that a lot about covid just trust God. And and what's even worse, 340 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:34.519 if you don't trust God, if you're going to like wear a mask, 341 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:41.200 you must not be trusting God. Or if if you, if you, 342 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.869 if you're thinking social distancing is is not a good idea, it's because 343 00:27:47.029 --> 00:27:51.430 you don't trust God. And while social distancing or mass I'm not here to 344 00:27:51.470 --> 00:27:55.750 argue either those, but what I'm saying is the idea that if you do 345 00:27:56.710 --> 00:28:02.019 in any way a precaution or a medical suggestion, that somehow you're no longer 346 00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:07.259 trusting God. I find that somewhat offensive. Yeah, plus, it's kind 347 00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:08.980 of kind of dumb, to be honest with you. I mean, you 348 00:28:10.059 --> 00:28:12.569 fall down, you break your arm. I mean you imagine that, you're 349 00:28:12.609 --> 00:28:17.369 walking, you stumble and trip on the curb. Yeah, you break your 350 00:28:17.450 --> 00:28:19.690 arm and I come up to you and say you're not going to the hospital, 351 00:28:19.730 --> 00:28:23.049 are you? You should just trust God. What are you going to 352 00:28:23.089 --> 00:28:26.490 say to me? Yeah, he'll heal you. If he doesn't, it's 353 00:28:26.569 --> 00:28:30.440 his will. Free to have a terribly crooked arm or something like that. 354 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.599 That's that's ridiculous. Same people that would say that would use a band aid 355 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.480 right with Papa Tile and all when they get a headache. I'm not I'm 356 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.109 not faulting them for that right. God has given us just practical means to 357 00:28:41.230 --> 00:28:45.069 take care of things, and if vaccines are one of those things, and 358 00:28:45.150 --> 00:28:48.029 I think in some measure they are, there are practical means. God has 359 00:28:48.069 --> 00:28:52.269 given this wisdom to men to be able to impart to other people, to 360 00:28:52.430 --> 00:28:56.819 use this for good. To just say we should trust God and not use 361 00:28:56.859 --> 00:29:00.779 vaccines is to break your arm. Just say you should trust God and not 362 00:29:00.859 --> 00:29:06.539 go get a cast. Right, exactly. Exactly so. So don't use 363 00:29:06.619 --> 00:29:10.690 that line on people because it can really be not good. Okay, so 364 00:29:11.289 --> 00:29:18.009 use morally acceptable vaccines if available. CREATIONCOM does agree that if there are morally 365 00:29:18.049 --> 00:29:22.650 acceptable vaccines that don't have these questionable fetal cell lines in them, then use 366 00:29:22.690 --> 00:29:29.759 them, use the morally acceptable wants. But if not, vaccines derived from 367 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.759 the evil of abortion of two babies forty years ago, they believe, are 368 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.319 still morally permissible for Christians. Yeah, and so if that's kind of your 369 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.109 bent, I think it's a good idea to read through what they said, 370 00:29:41.150 --> 00:29:44.670 because they do, I think, really support what why they came to that 371 00:29:44.789 --> 00:29:47.910 conclar yeah, I don't want to mention something, though, because it's mentioned 372 00:29:47.950 --> 00:29:52.190 here and we've already touched on it. So I don't want people to misunderstand 373 00:29:52.190 --> 00:29:55.220 that. We're saying these babies were killed back in the S and therefore it 374 00:29:55.339 --> 00:29:57.299 makes it not a big deal or that there was only two or that there 375 00:29:57.380 --> 00:30:02.500 was only two and somehow it makes it no two precious babies that were killed 376 00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:07.170 forty plus years ago or whatever. That's still two babies that were killed. 377 00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:10.690 Like time doesn't make them less valuable. So no one saying that right but 378 00:30:10.809 --> 00:30:17.410 the fact that they're still using these aborted fetal cell lines forty years from from 379 00:30:17.450 --> 00:30:19.609 the point when they were initially harvested. I hate to use that term, 380 00:30:21.009 --> 00:30:26.160 but human beings. But at least lets me know that there's not some conspiracy 381 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.640 just again to kill babies and put their bodies in vaccines, put their cells 382 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.400 into vaccines, because they're still using these cells. And I think one of 383 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.670 the points and one of the reasons why, from your conversation with Dr Matt 384 00:30:37.950 --> 00:30:40.990 even in this article and other things that I've read, the reason why is 385 00:30:41.109 --> 00:30:45.190 because of stability, like they have kind of a baseline with these fetal cells, 386 00:30:45.509 --> 00:30:48.509 and so they're sticking with them because it takes care of an unknowns, 387 00:30:48.670 --> 00:30:55.380 whereas if they introduce brand new fetal cells there's some more unknowns. These feed 388 00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:57.980 fetal cells have stood the test of time, so to speak. Kind of 389 00:30:59.099 --> 00:31:03.339 yeah, I think that. I think that is the point. So so 390 00:31:03.500 --> 00:31:08.730 the next big question is our vaccines made with a boarded fetal cells? We've 391 00:31:08.769 --> 00:31:11.809 already made the point, not with the cells themselves, but yes, they 392 00:31:11.890 --> 00:31:17.970 are. There are many vaccines that are produced through these aborted fetal fetal cell 393 00:31:18.049 --> 00:31:21.160 lines. Yeah, and so I wanted to go over those. Okay, 394 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:22.720 briefly. We won't take a lot of time with that, but just so 395 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.440 that you know seek because there are some of these are common diseases, common 396 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:33.029 vaccines. Most children have gotten these vaccines and I know I sure didn't know 397 00:31:33.549 --> 00:31:37.150 that aborted fetal cell lines were being used in them. And there are some 398 00:31:37.309 --> 00:31:41.789 morally acceptable alternatives in some of these. Okay. So the vaccines the following 399 00:31:42.029 --> 00:31:48.660 diseases that use vaccines or are fault with vaccines produced in a morally acceptable way. 400 00:31:49.460 --> 00:31:55.019 That means not using the aborted fetus cell lines. Diphtheria, tetanus, 401 00:31:55.819 --> 00:32:04.089 Pertussis, which is whooping cough, hemophilus influenza, type B Hib I've JEB 402 00:32:04.450 --> 00:32:10.329 but ABHIB but hepatitis be and influenza. All of those vaccines morally acceptable. 403 00:32:12.009 --> 00:32:15.440 You don't have to worry. Okay, so they don't use they do not, 404 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:23.559 so supported Peta set lines. Now the following list of diseases do have 405 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:31.109 vaccines, are are are fault with vaccines that have been produced using aborded fetal 406 00:32:31.190 --> 00:32:35.349 cell lines. Okay, some of them. I've never heard of a dinovirus, 407 00:32:35.470 --> 00:32:38.910 type for and type seven. It is produced the vaccine for that is 408 00:32:39.069 --> 00:32:45.140 produced using aborted fetus sell lines and there's no morally ex sceptable alternative. Okay, 409 00:32:45.500 --> 00:32:52.700 chicken pox, no morally acceptable alternative. They do use fetal cell lines 410 00:32:52.819 --> 00:32:58.930 and everyone's vaccinated, unless you're an antibax are. Everyone is vaccinated for chicken 411 00:32:59.009 --> 00:33:01.130 pox. Very much. Well, that's the one that we, as a 412 00:33:01.210 --> 00:33:07.170 family, did not give our children's. Like, because I have the chicken 413 00:33:07.250 --> 00:33:10.130 pox, right, I don't a kid and it was itchy and it was 414 00:33:10.329 --> 00:33:14.240 not fun. Yeah, but it's not going to kill you, right. 415 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.480 And Man, I guess maybe they're people that have died from the chicken box. 416 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:20.759 I guess they are, from what I've heard, from cat scratch fever, 417 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:23.839 right, yeah, sure, I mean people have died from eating tid 418 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:28.430 Paul. Yeah, people that from all kinds of things, right, but 419 00:33:28.509 --> 00:33:31.589 it's not very common. And so I'm like, why even vaccinate your kids 420 00:33:31.630 --> 00:33:35.910 with the chicken pox vaccine? I mean this might give you even a maybe 421 00:33:36.109 --> 00:33:37.910 didn't even know when you may even decision. Why we didn't do that is 422 00:33:37.950 --> 00:33:43.059 because the spirit of about yes, because it's like, well, the benefit 423 00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:45.539 is going to be what? They don't get the chicken pox, right, 424 00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:50.180 but potentially I'm doing something, or at least compromising in some way, that 425 00:33:50.339 --> 00:33:53.140 there's really no benefit there at all. Yeah, so, yeah, we 426 00:33:53.660 --> 00:34:00.250 didn't do that one. Yeah, okay, Hepatitis A is produced using a 427 00:34:00.329 --> 00:34:07.050 boarded fetal cells lines and there is no acceptable alternative. Hepatitis A B, 428 00:34:08.050 --> 00:34:16.239 which is, I guess, combination disease. That also that has two choices. 429 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.480 You. There is a vaccine that does use the aborted fetal cell lines, 430 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.590 but there's they do benn't do have an alternative for that one? Always 431 00:34:23.670 --> 00:34:28.789 wise to ask your doctor if this is of concern to you, which it 432 00:34:28.909 --> 00:34:31.469 is to me, and I always do ask my doctor. Does this vaccine 433 00:34:31.550 --> 00:34:43.099 use aboarded fetal cell lines? Mesolsmumpson rubellaw? Does it contains the combination? 434 00:34:44.539 --> 00:34:49.820 Is does use aborded fetal cell lines? Each one of those diseases separately. 435 00:34:50.500 --> 00:34:54.289 You can get a vaccination that maybe has an a morally acceptable alternative, but 436 00:34:54.690 --> 00:34:58.610 it's not sold that way in the United States. You have to get them 437 00:34:58.650 --> 00:35:05.250 as a combination and there is no there is no morally acceptable alternative in the 438 00:35:05.329 --> 00:35:10.960 US. Okay, polio, there is the the one that used aboarded fetal 439 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.679 cell lines has been discontinued. That vaccine. So now the vaccine for polio 440 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:24.949 does have a morally acceptable alternative. Okay, rabies, no alternative. It 441 00:35:25.070 --> 00:35:30.510 uses aboarded fetal cell line and rabies you can die from if you get rabies. 442 00:35:30.590 --> 00:35:34.590 So that be a tough one. That that's a situation. Where are 443 00:35:34.630 --> 00:35:38.260 you willing to die or are you going to know that you're using aborded fetal 444 00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:43.340 cell lines? So we have and we're going to post this article right the 445 00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:45.619 sidewalks for life website. Yeah, we will be posted other places. Yeah, 446 00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:49.300 you know, kind of give you guys this rundown that we're going right, 447 00:35:49.380 --> 00:35:52.690 we're going through. Right, let's jump real quick. Okay, too. 448 00:35:52.409 --> 00:36:00.409 I guess the most timely list here is the COVID VEX. Yeah, 449 00:36:00.730 --> 00:36:02.889 the CO vaccines. Actually, I heard started radio. Actually, yeah, 450 00:36:02.929 --> 00:36:07.440 we're being distributed. There would be nicetributed today. Yeah. So, Yep. 451 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.320 What are the covid vaccines that that are being distributor or like right light 452 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.639 on the edge of being distributed, and do those use aboarded fetals? There 453 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:22.269 are three leading vaccines currently in the contest and they are Moderna, fiser and 454 00:36:22.349 --> 00:36:25.070 biointech is the second one, and that's the one that is rolling out already. 455 00:36:25.230 --> 00:36:32.420 Okay, that's the bio intech and Astra Zenica knows that. VISOR PV 456 00:36:32.619 --> 00:36:38.579 Pfi Zer and bio and biointech there. They're a combined company. That's one 457 00:36:38.619 --> 00:36:43.460 vaccine, fiser and Bioin tegator. They're the ones that are rolling out today 458 00:36:44.139 --> 00:36:49.889 and and then MODERNA's coming out soon. Astras Zenica is the third one. 459 00:36:50.369 --> 00:36:54.610 So Astra Zenica does use aborted fetal cell lines in its production. Okay, 460 00:36:54.769 --> 00:37:00.440 the other two do not, not in their production, but they do use 461 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:07.159 aboarded fetal cell lines in testing. When they tested these vaccines, they did 462 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:12.280 do it on a boarded fetal cell lines. So none of the top contenders 463 00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:19.150 are untainted. Yeah, from the abortion fetal cell line. Okay, do 464 00:37:19.389 --> 00:37:22.070 with that what you will. If you get this vaccine, and again we're 465 00:37:22.230 --> 00:37:28.230 talking about no other aspect of the covid vaccines other than all three of the 466 00:37:28.389 --> 00:37:35.260 top leading ones have used aborted fetal cell lines either in production or in testing. 467 00:37:35.780 --> 00:37:43.579 where I to make a moral choice, I would definitely prefer the vaccine 468 00:37:43.699 --> 00:37:47.929 that had not been using those fetal cell lines in its in its production. 469 00:37:49.449 --> 00:37:52.250 It did use it in testing, but not its production, and that is 470 00:37:52.329 --> 00:37:57.889 the current one out there that is rolling out today. It in the production 471 00:37:57.929 --> 00:38:01.719 of the that vaccine, they did not use aborded fetal cell lines. Yeah, 472 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.599 okay. So there you have it, folks, and I guess our 473 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:14.550 final thoughts maybe should be about the spiritual dimension of all of this. We've 474 00:38:14.590 --> 00:38:17.909 kind of woven that in a little bit. But you know, I was 475 00:38:19.030 --> 00:38:22.869 thinking, and I've heard all of this as people have been discussing the pandemic 476 00:38:23.110 --> 00:38:28.940 and the vaccines. Yeah, is is the pandemic the result of spiritual warfare? 477 00:38:29.139 --> 00:38:32.300 Is it a tool of Satan to fill humanity with confusion and fear? 478 00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:39.420 Is it punishment from God for the moral decay and so many critical areas where 479 00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:46.050 we have gone so are from the Biblical Standard Of Holiness and righteousness? Does 480 00:38:46.130 --> 00:38:51.130 it have none of that? Is there no spiritual dimension to the disease or 481 00:38:51.210 --> 00:38:57.480 the vaccine? Was it purposely be least as part of some genocidal or world 482 00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:01.440 domination conspiracy? God knows the answer to all of those that. But I 483 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:06.400 know you. You have a perspective. Yeah, I missed from a spiritual 484 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.030 point, from a from a spiritual point of view, as a jar of 485 00:39:09.070 --> 00:39:13.949 spiritual spiritual man that I had to city. I don't think there's a couple 486 00:39:14.030 --> 00:39:16.710 things to consider. Okay, as far as just talking about the covid disease 487 00:39:16.789 --> 00:39:21.150 itself, right, is it a judgment from the Lord? Is that at 488 00:39:21.150 --> 00:39:24.900 least possible? Yeah, certainly, at least it's possible, and there's biblical 489 00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:30.539 precedence. Yeah, absolutely. I mean God certainly can and does. We 490 00:39:30.619 --> 00:39:32.260 see all through the Bible, not just in the Old Testament but read the 491 00:39:32.260 --> 00:39:37.340 book of the revelation. God does release judgments own people, and so is 492 00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:43.090 it possible that because we have murdered over sixty million of our own children in 493 00:39:43.130 --> 00:39:45.929 the womb and done other vile things that are an abomination in the sight of 494 00:39:45.969 --> 00:39:50.449 God as a nation, that God has sent Covid as a judgment? That's 495 00:39:50.530 --> 00:39:53.559 possible. Yeah, I think it's certainly something we should consider. We should 496 00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:58.280 be seeking the Lord's wisdom for and the fact part of this world wide, 497 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.559 and look at what's happening to our world in terms of rebellion against God. 498 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.829 Certainly, certainly a possibility. Yeah, I'm not saying I'm some Prophet that 499 00:40:07.949 --> 00:40:10.309 knows that God sent this as a judgment. People that are saying that God 500 00:40:10.469 --> 00:40:15.909 sent him sent this as a judgment or I think somebody calls some prophets of 501 00:40:15.989 --> 00:40:20.909 the of the thirteen hour right, people who prophesy after the fact. I 502 00:40:21.500 --> 00:40:23.059 know God was going to send this. I just didn't tell anybody. Yeah, 503 00:40:23.300 --> 00:40:27.780 all right, yeah, right. But it is possible they God sent 504 00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:30.619 this as a judgment. You see that as a biblical precedence. Possible, 505 00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:34.940 possible that the devil is involved. I think there's it's not just possible, 506 00:40:34.940 --> 00:40:39.090 it's absolutely true. Certainly the Lord can use the the devil to bring about 507 00:40:39.130 --> 00:40:45.570 his purposes, although I don't think the devil and God work together in tandem. 508 00:40:45.650 --> 00:40:47.409 Certainly got as much wiser than the devil and can use the devil anyway. 509 00:40:47.409 --> 00:40:51.159 That's kind of a rabbit trail. The point is the devil certainly in 510 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.599 this covid thing, you see all of the fear, all of the confusion, 511 00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:58.039 all of the selfishness, and even that's involved. It's like man, 512 00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:02.079 they will certainly involved in this in some measure and then just be a natural 513 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.630 phenomenon. Right, that's that's a possibility. Either way. We have to 514 00:41:07.710 --> 00:41:13.710 view things from a biblical perspective that the Lord is in charge, God is 515 00:41:13.789 --> 00:41:19.340 in control. Yeah, is that mean he's controlling every time someone gets sickness 516 00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:23.980 from this covid disease and dies. I don't God's not putting covid diseases in 517 00:41:24.099 --> 00:41:28.420 people, but there is this principle of sin that's at work in the world 518 00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:30.340 because of the fall, right, and it's one of the reasons why we're 519 00:41:30.340 --> 00:41:32.969 talking about this podcast. Are there things there? There means that God has 520 00:41:32.969 --> 00:41:37.130 given us, practically as human beings, to kind of at least hold off 521 00:41:37.210 --> 00:41:43.170 some of the results of the fall when we do other medical interventions to push 522 00:41:43.210 --> 00:41:46.400 back diseases and things that are result of the fall? Is a vaccine now 523 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.079 taking a vaccine? Is that something that is also you could be used to 524 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.679 that end? So they're just some of the thoughts that I have. As 525 00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:59.679 far as looking at it from a spiritual, spiritual perspective, one of the 526 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:04.349 thoughts that I had, I'd love to hear your your your thoughts about this, 527 00:42:04.429 --> 00:42:09.710 is that we we certainly can't control the fact that Covid is out there, 528 00:42:10.670 --> 00:42:16.940 we can control our response. There has been so much disunity and hate 529 00:42:17.699 --> 00:42:23.380 over different people's responses, both to Covid, to the vaccine, to the 530 00:42:23.539 --> 00:42:29.179 measures the politics behind it. So much and that, to me, is 531 00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:36.449 heartbreaking. Yeah, that are we behaving the way God would have us behave 532 00:42:36.690 --> 00:42:43.769 in response to this horror? Yeah, that is that is upon us. 533 00:42:44.090 --> 00:42:45.119 Maybe it's not a horror, a lot of people say it's not, that 534 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:52.719 it's overinflated whatever. Yeah, but to hate others based on how they respond 535 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:58.789 or to belittle others based on what they choose to do with the information, 536 00:43:00.789 --> 00:43:05.909 I think that that grieves the heart of God. Yeah, absolutely so. 537 00:43:06.110 --> 00:43:09.670 I think that that's kind of that's one of the things that I thought about 538 00:43:09.670 --> 00:43:14.980 a lot as I was going through this research. I was thinking a good 539 00:43:15.099 --> 00:43:21.619 case could be made for taking these vaccines and feeling that is morally acceptable, 540 00:43:22.420 --> 00:43:27.650 and a good case could be made for refusing to yeah, but I don't 541 00:43:27.889 --> 00:43:35.090 think that are standing before God should be questioned in either case. Yeah, 542 00:43:35.289 --> 00:43:39.329 and that's a that's a really good point, and Paul addresses this and the 543 00:43:39.369 --> 00:43:44.639 book of Romans he talks about US considering the weaker brother and he talks about 544 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.559 it in particular as it concerns eating meat or not eating meat. Eating meat 545 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.760 that sacrifice to idols, or not eating meat because it could be sacrificed to 546 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.320 idols, and we should consider our weaker brother and it kind of goes both 547 00:43:54.320 --> 00:44:00.469 ways. We need to consider that other believers might not hold the same convictions 548 00:44:00.550 --> 00:44:06.989 we do, as long as those convictions can be sustained from scripture. Right. 549 00:44:07.670 --> 00:44:10.260 You know, we're not talking about people who want to go out and 550 00:44:10.460 --> 00:44:15.699 just intentionally murder children, yeah, to create vaccines. Those people aren't Christians. 551 00:44:15.739 --> 00:44:20.500 Yeah, but we are talking about a scenario in which there have been 552 00:44:20.659 --> 00:44:23.449 some babies that have been aboarded, whose fetal sales have been used to produce 553 00:44:23.530 --> 00:44:28.849 vaccines, and some Christians are thinking, well, that was a horrible act 554 00:44:28.889 --> 00:44:30.489 or not. We're not trying to justify that act, but there is a 555 00:44:30.530 --> 00:44:35.449 redemptive thing to come out of this and therefore I'm okay with taking a vaccine. 556 00:44:35.489 --> 00:44:37.210 I'm okay with given my children vaccines and that sort of thing. Yeah, 557 00:44:37.250 --> 00:44:40.719 again, not getting into the other issues. Right, is talking about 558 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.320 it from a moral perspective. Right. We need to consider each other and 559 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:51.800 we need to be understanding and seek unity in as much as we can Yemen. 560 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.150 Yeah. Yeah. So with that, guys, we appreciate you tune 561 00:44:55.190 --> 00:44:59.909 and into this podcast. Again, we'd appreciate you guys would share this podcast 562 00:45:00.349 --> 00:45:04.269 reach out to us. Maybe you have a suggestion of something maybe we didn't 563 00:45:04.269 --> 00:45:07.260 cover in this podcast. Yeah, maybe something that we kind of didn't see 564 00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:10.699 as we're talking about vaccines. Or maybe there's a complete other subject that you 565 00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:14.940 want us to try to cover. We'd certainly love to cover that. So 566 00:45:15.019 --> 00:45:19.139 you can reach out to us. Daniel at Love Life Dot Org or Vicky 567 00:45:19.579 --> 00:45:22.010 at Love Life Dot Org. 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