A Conversation Involving Spiritual Warfare

WEBVTT100:00:00.880 --> 00:00:06.120I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. And Me,200:00:06.480 --> 00:00:12.150Lord, I am yours, Iam yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel300:00:12.150 --> 00:00:17.750Center pre life podcast, a podcastdesigned to equip, encourage and challenge you400:00:17.870 --> 00:00:21.699in pro life ministry, and alwayswith a focus on the Gospel. Stay500:00:21.739 --> 00:00:35.460tuned. I felt show passish,touch your heart. Use Me. Welcome600:00:35.500 --> 00:00:39.170back to the Gospel Center pro lifepodcast. Appreciate you guys listening to this700:00:39.289 --> 00:00:42.770episode of this podcast and we'd appreciate, as always, if you guys would800:00:42.770 --> 00:00:47.130share this episode of this podcast tothose around you, those who are doing900:00:47.170 --> 00:00:50.880sidewalk ministry, who would be ablessing you. 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Vicky,we were just talking before we started recording1900:01:27.340 --> 00:01:33.090and and kind of you looking atsubjects and things. We have a few2000:01:33.129 --> 00:01:38.810topics we're going to cover in insome other episodes and but this episode we're2100:01:38.810 --> 00:01:42.890going to kind of wing it andreally go off of a situation that you2200:01:44.010 --> 00:01:48.959had yesterday right with the mom whowas at the abortion center, and talk2300:01:49.079 --> 00:01:52.760through that situation, because this wasa situation not uncommon. Actually, I2400:01:52.799 --> 00:01:57.920mean maybe a little a little uncommonin that it was more intense than some2500:01:57.040 --> 00:02:01.909of these situations are, some ofthese conversations are, but the spiritual warfare2600:02:01.950 --> 00:02:06.989component is is a reality and whatwe're dealing with like their spiritual warfare.2700:02:07.310 --> 00:02:10.389But I think the kind of themain marker of this conversation, while we2800:02:10.469 --> 00:02:16.460wanted to talk about is because therewasn't intense and and pretty, I guess,2900:02:16.860 --> 00:02:22.979long conversation that had a lot ofspiritual warfare. There's just evidence in3000:02:23.060 --> 00:02:27.419that conversation for what you explain tome that like, okay, some some3100:02:27.819 --> 00:02:31.449demonic stuff is going on behind thescenes and some truth from God's word needs3200:02:31.490 --> 00:02:35.449to be spoken to counteract the livesof the devil that are being spoken to3300:02:35.569 --> 00:02:37.889this mom's life. And like,I don't know. So you just lay3400:02:37.930 --> 00:02:40.849out the scenario so people can kindof enter into that conversation with you and3500:02:40.969 --> 00:02:45.840then we'll talk through the different thingsthat came up and and hopefully we can3600:02:45.879 --> 00:02:49.719empower and encourage those who are listening. Sure, and I in the discussion3700:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.400that Daniel and I had prior tostarting this podcast, I really like what3800:02:53.439 --> 00:02:54.800you said, Daniel, and Ithink could be good as kind of a3900:02:55.280 --> 00:03:00.310summary for them to hear as after, you know, before I present the4000:03:00.990 --> 00:03:07.469scenario. But what you said aboutwhen a conversation goes on, especially when4100:03:07.469 --> 00:03:09.389a conversation goes on so long,I mean it was it was probably three4200:03:09.430 --> 00:03:15.500hours total, and you talked abouthow the moms are really wanting or looking4300:03:15.740 --> 00:03:22.860for two things as they are engagedin this really long discussion with us,4400:03:22.900 --> 00:03:27.610and I thought you nailed it thatthat was what was going on in this4500:03:27.930 --> 00:03:31.250mother. Yeah, so, andactually this came up yesterday. I was4600:03:31.449 --> 00:03:36.409in venture, a county here insouthern California, and there was a dad4700:03:36.569 --> 00:03:38.370out in front of the abortion center. He was in his car for the4800:03:38.490 --> 00:03:42.800longest of times and I was callingout, trying to reach out to him.4900:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.879Then he got out of his carto smoke and he'd been smoking in5000:03:46.000 --> 00:03:46.960his car. So it's like,okay, why did he get out of5100:03:47.000 --> 00:03:52.599his car to smoke? And thenhe started, as I was continuing to5200:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.639call out and offer help and thenshare the truth about his baby and all5300:03:54.639 --> 00:03:58.789that stuff. He started to callout pretty angrily right and so he was5400:03:58.949 --> 00:04:01.469pretty mad at me, but hestill kept engaging, he still stayed outside5500:04:01.469 --> 00:04:04.949of his car and I told thefolks that are there, you have to5600:04:04.990 --> 00:04:08.750ask yourself get he was smoking insideof his car. Why did he get5700:04:08.750 --> 00:04:13.180out of his car to smoke?And I believe it's because, even though5800:04:13.219 --> 00:04:15.860he didn't want to hear the truth, he wanted to hear the truth.5900:04:15.620 --> 00:04:19.220And the same is true of theseMOMS that we minister to. There's so6000:04:19.220 --> 00:04:23.779much spiritual warfare, there's so muchconfusion going on, there's so much demonic6100:04:24.610 --> 00:04:28.209stuff going on behind the scenes intheir lives and then, of worse,6200:04:28.290 --> 00:04:30.810there's God doing his work behind thescenes in their lives as well. That,6300:04:30.970 --> 00:04:35.610in reality, these men, andthese women especially are grasping for two6400:04:35.610 --> 00:04:43.240things. They're grasping for justification togo through with the abortion and they're grasping6500:04:43.480 --> 00:04:47.000for a justification to leave the abortionclinic. So they're grasping that whole battle6600:04:47.040 --> 00:04:50.480between light and darkness, life anddeath is playing out in their minds,6700:04:50.519 --> 00:04:54.949because you see some things. It'slike what that young men. If he6800:04:54.990 --> 00:04:57.509didn't want to hear what I hadto say, all he had to do6900:04:57.670 --> 00:04:59.990is stay in his car, heget turned up as music or whatever.7000:04:59.990 --> 00:05:01.829I mean. It's not like Iwas being obnoxiously loud or anything like that.7100:05:02.029 --> 00:05:06.069I would guess in his vehicle hecould barely hear what I was saying,7200:05:06.069 --> 00:05:10.379and yet he got out of hisvehicle and he stayed outside for a7300:05:10.779 --> 00:05:13.660not just for a few minutes,I mean for a lengthy period of time,7400:05:13.779 --> 00:05:17.300obviously listening to what I'm I wassaying. And so again these men7500:05:17.339 --> 00:05:20.529and women, and that's why wetalked about in some of our trainings we7600:05:20.610 --> 00:05:24.889talked about this and I think weknow we did a podcast a long time7700:05:24.930 --> 00:05:29.050ago about this, about the messageof forgiveness is that we don't want,7800:05:29.089 --> 00:05:32.170as they're grasping for a justification toaboard. We don't want to give them7900:05:32.209 --> 00:05:35.720any ground for that justification. Andso when we talk about like if,8000:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.720to me one of the worst possiblethings you can say at an abortion center8100:05:40.120 --> 00:05:42.959is till mom walking in or toa dad that's out there waiting on his8200:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.000girlfriend, if you aboard this baby, got will forgive you. To me8300:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.319that's like one of the worst thingsyou can possibly say. First of all,8400:05:48.360 --> 00:05:51.870it's not necessarily true. Like God'snot beholding to anyone. He doesn't8500:05:51.910 --> 00:05:56.949have to forgive anyone for anything.So the idea that God will forgive you,8600:05:57.069 --> 00:06:00.670that somehow forgiveness as automatic, isnot true. It's not biblical.8700:06:00.350 --> 00:06:04.259Now I think more biblically would be, you know, if you abort this8800:06:04.379 --> 00:06:09.060baby but you repent, God iswilling to forgive you. But I still8900:06:09.100 --> 00:06:14.139don't even think that's a good messageto really bring because they will grasp and9000:06:14.180 --> 00:06:17.850they will latch onto that as justificationto a board. Again they're grasping for9100:06:17.970 --> 00:06:23.889two things. They're grasping for ajustification to a board and they're grasping for9200:06:23.889 --> 00:06:27.730a justification to leave the abortion clinicand not have the abortion. So again9300:06:27.769 --> 00:06:30.850there's that that battle in their heartsand their minds, that the scripture talks9400:06:30.889 --> 00:06:38.160about that battle between the flesh andin the spirit right, that's going on9500:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.240these these two things in their mindand so yeah, I think as we9600:06:42.360 --> 00:06:47.029talked through this situation that you facedyesterday, that's obviously that's going to be9700:06:47.069 --> 00:06:49.670evident to the people that are listening, because it was evident to you.9800:06:50.629 --> 00:06:55.790But again, it's a regular realityat the abortion set. It is and9900:06:56.149 --> 00:07:01.579grasping right, and I really reallyliked how how you summarize those two things10000:07:01.620 --> 00:07:05.740that they're looking for, because Ihad not labeled it, but that was10100:07:06.060 --> 00:07:11.579those two things were going through myhead the entire time that I was counseling10200:07:11.699 --> 00:07:15.810this woman and I was weighing everythingI was going to say based on which.10300:07:16.970 --> 00:07:25.050How do I speak truth without feedinginto that desire to justify, but10400:07:25.370 --> 00:07:29.170how do I tap into that partof her that wanted to be talked out10500:07:29.170 --> 00:07:34.000of it and be gentle enough thatI don't drive her into the other side?10600:07:34.839 --> 00:07:40.240So so I was really that it. I was very aware of both10700:07:40.319 --> 00:07:45.389of those truths of what the womanwas seeking, and I think we could10800:07:45.389 --> 00:07:49.870probably safely say that anyone engaged ina conversation this took. This was three10900:07:49.949 --> 00:07:56.110hours. If that woman doesn't getup and leave or the guy doesn't get11000:07:56.149 --> 00:08:00.339in his car and drive away,that battle is going on in them,11100:08:00.939 --> 00:08:05.459and so I think you don't giveup. You don't give up if they're11200:08:05.620 --> 00:08:11.259still listening. Now, in thecase of we have talked about, if11300:08:11.620 --> 00:08:16.930it's where the abortion is about toarrive and someone's listening and carrying on along11400:08:16.970 --> 00:08:20.089conversation with you and that baby's aboutto die, we do cut it off11500:08:20.209 --> 00:08:22.649to kind of tell them go backin there, go and get her out11600:08:22.689 --> 00:08:24.930of there, because the baby.Yeah, we're talking about the man,11700:08:26.050 --> 00:08:28.720right, of course, right.But if you're that mom, I'M gonna11800:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.600I'm gonna have a conversation with hertill till the sun goes down. Stay11900:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.080long as she's not going inside ofthat abortion center. But yeah, with12000:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.000the DADS there's a sense of urgencythat, you know, I'm not going12100:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.799to go back and forth with himforever on. You know, whatever it12200:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.549might be, I'm going to alwaysbring it around to go in there and12300:08:43.590 --> 00:08:46.950get her out of this place.Yeah, yeah, so, yeah,12400:08:46.950 --> 00:08:48.789that's kind of, kind of,of course, what you're talking about.12500:08:48.789 --> 00:08:52.309But, like you said, thefact that they're hanging around and listening to12600:08:52.350 --> 00:08:56.899you, is evidence again that they'reasking for something. They want to they12700:08:56.940 --> 00:09:01.820want to latch onto something that reallywill either give them the power, the12800:09:01.860 --> 00:09:05.100strength to leave that place not havethe abortion, or go in there and12900:09:05.179 --> 00:09:09.860get her out of that place,or that will say, okay, well13000:09:09.940 --> 00:09:13.330then it's okay that we aboard becauseyou got will forgive us later, or13100:09:13.450 --> 00:09:16.769it's not a baby, or whateverkind of justification right they want to grab13200:09:16.929 --> 00:09:20.929onto. Yeah. So, sothe story is that she had actually left13300:09:20.970 --> 00:09:28.200another abortion center just round the cornerfrom the one where where our mobile ultrasound13400:09:28.240 --> 00:09:35.000RV is parked, and she laughedin the the counselor at the other abortion13500:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.789center. She stopped for him.She said she spoke almost no English,13600:09:39.509 --> 00:09:45.470but he was able to convey toher that we could give her free altarsound13700:09:45.470 --> 00:09:50.070and did this. Let me kindof paint that picture as well, because13800:09:50.110 --> 00:09:54.179in Charlotte there are two abortion centersthat are pretty close together. I mean13900:09:54.179 --> 00:09:58.100there within five minutes of each other. Right one of them is on a14000:09:58.100 --> 00:10:01.019busy road. That's the one thatshe was in initially at correct and then14100:10:01.100 --> 00:10:03.620one of them is kind of thethe main abortion clinic where we reach out14200:10:03.620 --> 00:10:07.049at on the troope drive. Ifyou guys that are listening have been out14300:10:07.090 --> 00:10:11.769there, maybe to a prayer Walkerwhatever, you know what we're talking about.14400:10:11.250 --> 00:10:15.570And just as a little side note, one of the things that Elijah,14500:10:15.690 --> 00:10:18.610who's the guy who had initially reachedout to her, if I'm not14600:10:18.690 --> 00:10:22.320mistaken, yes, does is he'sgot, because the mobile unit stays parked14700:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.559at the latrobe abortion center, he'sgot these little cards that have actually like14800:10:26.679 --> 00:10:31.200a map and directions in English onone side to the mobile unit and then14900:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.230on the back side there's it's inSpanish, so that they can get the15000:10:35.350 --> 00:10:39.950turn by turn directions to get there, which is, like, you know,15100:10:39.190 --> 00:10:43.190kind of again side note. Somethinggood for you guys to have if15200:10:43.190 --> 00:10:46.389there's a pregnancy center down the roador whatever, to have just like some15300:10:46.470 --> 00:10:50.659little cards or something that just havedirections, English on one side Spanish on15400:10:50.740 --> 00:10:54.340the other. It's a good wayto get her over there. So,15500:10:54.379 --> 00:10:56.940anyway, you laid out the scenario. Yes, wanted to. Yes,15600:10:56.019 --> 00:11:01.059so that's and and that was reallywise of Elisha to to think up that.15700:11:01.259 --> 00:11:03.179That would be a useful card.It's been very useful. But Anyway,15800:11:03.220 --> 00:11:09.690he called me and and and saidthis woman is going heading over right15900:11:09.769 --> 00:11:13.649now to the RV. She onlyspeaks Spanish. So he knew I wasn't16000:11:13.649 --> 00:11:18.840at that abortion center. I hadactually just left him and gone home,16100:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.919so he knew I wasn't there,but he knew that I know our Hispanics16200:11:22.159 --> 00:11:28.120or Spanish speaking counselor. So Iwas calling counselors that that speak Spanish and16300:11:28.279 --> 00:11:35.629the and calling the counselor who isthere at latrobe on the RV, letting16400:11:35.710 --> 00:11:39.990her know we're trying to find aSpanish speaking translator for you. And it16500:11:39.110 --> 00:11:43.549just so happened that a guy thatthat we've trained, but he just has16600:11:43.590 --> 00:11:46.620such a busy schedule he never showsup. He happened to be there just16700:11:46.860 --> 00:11:52.899by chance. Are quotes, andhis name is Henry and he's Hispanic.16800:11:54.019 --> 00:11:56.620He speaks nish. So we don'tnormally have a guy come on, but16900:11:56.700 --> 00:12:01.610if you know, if there's noone else that speak Spanish that's a woman17000:12:01.769 --> 00:12:05.409to go on the the RV orthe mobile ultrasound unit, and then we17100:12:05.490 --> 00:12:09.370do so. So we send Henryon and I found a one of our17200:12:09.409 --> 00:12:13.289women counselors who would be able toto speak by phone during the ultrasound itself17300:12:13.289 --> 00:12:18.159in the back room, because obviouslyHenry could not go back there. and17400:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.759to complicate matters, there were threewomen that wanted to go on the RV17500:12:22.240 --> 00:12:30.950simultaneously. Two of them were Hispanicand only Spanish speaking. Henry happened again17600:12:30.990 --> 00:12:35.950to be there that day. SoI advised, probably in retrospect, not17700:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.909wise advice. I told our counselorMandy, just take take him both on17800:12:43.350 --> 00:12:46.220the to Hispanic women at the sametime, because your job is these are17900:12:46.299 --> 00:12:50.779two ladies going to the abortion centerfrom I mean they weren't. They know18000:12:50.860 --> 00:12:54.100each of each other and know eachother. So they were moms going into18100:12:54.100 --> 00:12:58.809the abortion center and just wanted togo on the mobiles or saying that's right,18200:12:58.850 --> 00:13:03.049same time. Well, and andboth presumably, both had presumably chosen18300:13:03.169 --> 00:13:07.929life. So I'm thinking, okay, it's also towards the end of the18400:13:07.009 --> 00:13:09.970morning and I'm thinking I don't knowhow long the nurse can stay, how18500:13:11.049 --> 00:13:15.360long the RV driver can stay,but or Mandy herself, the counselor,18600:13:15.440 --> 00:13:20.919could stay. Let's let's do thesmart thing and and counsel the two women18700:13:20.039 --> 00:13:26.000together in terms of giving them amentor sharing the Gospel and of course they18800:13:26.000 --> 00:13:31.190would go back for the ultrasound itselfindividually. Yeah, I had no idea18900:13:31.309 --> 00:13:37.110that one of those MOMS was thesituation that that we ended up facing.19000:13:37.429 --> 00:13:41.220Otherwise I would never have recommended that. So it's chaos on the RV.19100:13:41.659 --> 00:13:48.500I'm not there, although part waythrough the they counseled the first woman.19200:13:48.659 --> 00:13:54.500She was she was very she wason board. She had a really,19300:13:54.779 --> 00:14:01.169really desperate situation, but she trulyhad chosen life and and was overjoyed to19400:14:01.169 --> 00:14:05.889see your baby. And so she'sbeing counseled back in the back room while19500:14:05.970 --> 00:14:13.440she's getting the ultrasound by the nurse, and Mandy has had begun counseling the19600:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.919person that Elijah had sent over withthe help of Henry, the translator,19700:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.799and she texted me and said thisis one of the hardest hearted people I19800:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.389have ever spoken with. I've saideverything I noticed, say can you come19900:14:28.509 --> 00:14:33.830help, and that rarely happened.So I do. Boy, this is20000:14:33.909 --> 00:14:37.549a is going to be a roughone. So Mandy had been counseling her.20100:14:37.779 --> 00:14:41.259At the point I said I canbe the Yes, I'll I'll go20200:14:41.419 --> 00:14:43.379in the get in the car rightnow, but it's going to be twenty20300:14:43.419 --> 00:14:46.620five minutes before I get there.Can You keep her there? Mandy said,20400:14:46.659 --> 00:14:50.860I'll try. She'd already been therean hour by the time that I20500:14:50.980 --> 00:14:54.610would have arrived. She would havebeen counseled already for an hour. So20600:14:56.330 --> 00:15:03.330I'm I arrive and use my limitedSpanish that I do know some because I'm20700:15:03.370 --> 00:15:07.679taking Spanish. I'm using do alingo. For all of you that that20800:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.440counsel a lot of Hispanic Women,I recommend do a lingo. Great Program20900:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.080Free. And I knew enough thatI could introduce myself. I could say21000:15:16.519 --> 00:15:22.029how are you, and I couldeven understand parts of when she was saying21100:15:22.110 --> 00:15:26.269how she was feeling. So andI thought that was actually again the whole21200:15:26.309 --> 00:15:30.549way over, I'm praying, justI knew this was going to be hard.21300:15:30.549 --> 00:15:33.629I had no idea what I wasgoing to say and just prayed.21400:15:33.110 --> 00:15:39.460Holy Spirit, filmy, I giveme the words, because Mandy is a21500:15:39.740 --> 00:15:45.379great counselor and if Mandy's feeling likeI don't know what else to do,21600:15:45.779 --> 00:15:50.210then I knew this was, youknow, intense spiritual warfare. Yeah,21700:15:50.289 --> 00:16:02.570going on. So the the womanhad already told Mandy she didn't have a21800:16:02.649 --> 00:16:07.200problem with resources. There were twomen in her life, one either a21900:16:07.279 --> 00:16:11.879husband or ex husband, won thecurrent boyfriend. Both wanted to help.22000:16:12.200 --> 00:16:17.320Both told her don't kill the baby. She had people in her life that22100:16:17.480 --> 00:16:23.950could help with resources, even beforewe offered any um she had other children,22200:16:26.429 --> 00:16:30.950but she just she just kept saying, I don't love this baby,22300:16:32.509 --> 00:16:37.019I don't want this baby, Iwant to abort this baby. I don't22400:16:37.059 --> 00:16:42.940know why. She kept saying that. She kept saying I don't know why.22500:16:42.940 --> 00:16:47.059I don't know why she kept sayingthat. I don't know. I22600:16:47.490 --> 00:16:49.690and she did say that. Shesaid that a lot to Mandy, a22700:16:49.730 --> 00:16:55.090little bit less with me. Butat one point, after I'd been counseling22800:16:55.169 --> 00:16:57.370her for about an hour, shesaid she again said I don't know why,22900:16:57.409 --> 00:17:00.679and I and I was pretty blunt, I said, well, I'll23000:17:00.759 --> 00:17:07.599tell you why. The Bible saysresist the Devil and he will flee from23100:17:07.599 --> 00:17:11.640you. And you are not resistingthe devil if you are still entertaining the23200:17:11.799 --> 00:17:19.109idea of abortion. You are givingSatan a foothold and he will continue to23300:17:19.309 --> 00:17:26.630give you the this terrible thing youdon't want to do as something you should23400:17:26.630 --> 00:17:32.500do. You need to slam thedoor shut on abortion. Resist the devil,23500:17:32.700 --> 00:17:40.700and that's how he will flee.But so Henry was wonderful. Faithfully23600:17:40.740 --> 00:17:47.690translated everything that that I said andI knew that the development of the baby23700:17:47.730 --> 00:17:52.490had been heavily discussed already with Mandy, and as had he was from what23800:17:52.609 --> 00:17:56.809our remember. You told me shewas pretty far along in her pregnant right23900:17:56.450 --> 00:18:02.720and and resources started to been discussed. She was twenty five weeks. Yeah,24000:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.039knowing that, that's why she left. Now I understood because Elijah thought24100:18:07.200 --> 00:18:12.470she seemed really amenable to the ultrasoundand I asked well, she said she24200:18:12.630 --> 00:18:15.710was abortion minded and he said yes, and I said well then, why24300:18:15.710 --> 00:18:18.710did she leave? And he didn'tknow because he couldn't speak to her.24400:18:18.750 --> 00:18:22.910He didn't you know? She sureso, but that's why she left.24500:18:22.990 --> 00:18:26.299She couldn't get the abortion used.Too Far along, too far along.24600:18:27.420 --> 00:18:33.019So I knew that coming into this. I don't know if Mandy knew that24700:18:33.099 --> 00:18:38.420initially. She didn't know that.Initially she had not gotten the ultrasound on24800:18:38.579 --> 00:18:44.089Ourrv, which I didn't know whenI first arrived, and the reason is24900:18:44.250 --> 00:18:48.170she was under a doctor's care ofsome sort. They thought it was very25000:18:48.369 --> 00:18:53.009confusing and they're not allowed to dothe ultrasound if if she's under a current25100:18:53.089 --> 00:18:59.559doctor's care, OBG Wyan's care.So so anyway. So that's kind of25200:18:59.599 --> 00:19:03.559the background. Twenty five weeks andso I knew, you know, we25300:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.279have our three talking points, resources, humanity of the baby and God.25400:19:08.079 --> 00:19:12.349Mandy had covered resources, humanity thebaby and some about God, but I25500:19:12.670 --> 00:19:15.309I don't know how much, butI knew that's where I had to focus,25600:19:15.950 --> 00:19:22.589that this was a spiritual battle shehad. Basically, she knew what25700:19:22.750 --> 00:19:26.539happened in an abortion. She knowswhat happens in a baby, the the25800:19:26.619 --> 00:19:32.220age of her child, which isincredible to me. She had did she25900:19:32.420 --> 00:19:36.339claimed to be a believer. Thatwas the first thing I asked. Very26000:19:36.420 --> 00:19:38.450Good Daniel, the one of thevery first things I said is, do26100:19:38.569 --> 00:19:42.130you know God? And she saidyes, he was her gee. And26200:19:42.130 --> 00:19:45.569I said do you know Jesus?Have you claimed Jesus as your Lord and26300:19:45.650 --> 00:19:49.410Savior? And she said Yes,he is my Lord, he's my everything.26400:19:51.210 --> 00:19:55.440And I said them, what doyou do with this verse? Why26500:19:55.519 --> 00:19:59.559do you call me Lord Lord andnot do what I say? When a26600:19:59.599 --> 00:20:02.160right away, I went I wentright away, I guess, kind of26700:20:02.200 --> 00:20:10.309for the Juggler, because right tothe spiritual joy us, and and and26800:20:10.549 --> 00:20:18.509then I I asked and she justsaid she loves Jesus, she believes in26900:20:18.630 --> 00:20:26.420God, but she didn't know why, but she she had to abort this27000:20:26.579 --> 00:20:32.859child. I I told her.I gave many verses. One of them27100:20:32.940 --> 00:20:37.970I said, let's go through somesome scripture. I gave her deuteronomy thirty,27200:20:37.289 --> 00:20:41.410verse nineteen. I had I hadhenry pulled they pulled out a Spanish27300:20:41.529 --> 00:20:47.009Bible and had Henry pointed out andhave her read it out loud. I27400:20:47.529 --> 00:20:51.200set before you life and death,blessing and curse, therefore, or choose27500:20:51.319 --> 00:20:56.240life that you and your offspring maylive. And I said so God gives27600:20:56.279 --> 00:20:59.279you a choice. He's given youa choice. What are the choices?27700:20:59.680 --> 00:21:03.200She said blessing her curse. Yes, what are the the next choice?27800:21:03.640 --> 00:21:06.349Life or death? Right? Andwhat does God say? He wants you27900:21:06.390 --> 00:21:11.269to choose. Choose life. Andwhat follows blessing and and she says all28000:21:11.309 --> 00:21:15.950this, and then she said,but I still don't want this baby.28100:21:17.029 --> 00:21:21.940Then I said you say you loveGod, you say that you believe and28200:21:22.140 --> 00:21:27.500follow God, and has God everlet you down? She said no,28300:21:29.099 --> 00:21:32.819and then she even said Nunka,which is a word I understand. Never28400:21:33.650 --> 00:21:37.329he's never let her down. AndI said, so, this God that28500:21:37.529 --> 00:21:41.369you claim to love, who hasnever let you down, is that?28600:21:41.690 --> 00:21:45.769Did He, like mess up?was he closing his eyes when he created28700:21:45.849 --> 00:21:51.000that baby? Is that baby amistake? And she said No. Does28800:21:51.119 --> 00:21:53.880God not know your situation, thisGod, who has never let you down28900:21:55.000 --> 00:21:59.559but created that life inside of youknowingly? Does does he not know what's29000:21:59.559 --> 00:22:03.029going on in your life? Andshe said no, he knows well,29100:22:03.470 --> 00:22:07.430has his God, who has neverlet you down, who created this child29200:22:08.150 --> 00:22:14.509and who knows your situation is?Is that a god you want to defy29300:22:14.710 --> 00:22:19.700now and take the life of thatof that child? And she would pause29400:22:21.140 --> 00:22:26.099and say no at first, andthen she would say, but I don't29500:22:26.180 --> 00:22:30.210want this baby, I don't wantto have this baby. So then I29600:22:30.410 --> 00:22:37.170brought her to Romans ten nine.If if you believe in your heart that,29700:22:37.529 --> 00:22:41.250or if you proclaim with your mouththat Jesus is Lord and believe in29800:22:41.289 --> 00:22:44.210your heart that God is raised,raised him from the dead, then you29900:22:44.250 --> 00:22:48.079would be saved. And I said, have you ever done that? And30000:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.839she said, Jesus is her Lord, and I said okay, well,30100:22:51.880 --> 00:22:55.400let's break that first down. Proclaimwith your mouth. What does that mean?30200:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.589She knew that meant. You sayit, you use express it,30300:22:59.509 --> 00:23:02.549that Jesus is Lord. Asked herwhat that meant. Again, like so30400:23:02.910 --> 00:23:06.990often happens, which is why wespend so much time on podcast in our30500:23:07.069 --> 00:23:11.230training saying really focus on that.She did not know what that meant.30600:23:12.900 --> 00:23:17.900Not Really. She said he's everything, he's all, he's in control of30700:23:17.980 --> 00:23:22.660everything, but she never personalized it. What does that mean to her and30800:23:22.940 --> 00:23:26.369how someone who claims Jesus is Lordof their life? How are we to30900:23:26.529 --> 00:23:32.009respond? She never was able toanswer that until, you know, I31000:23:32.130 --> 00:23:34.250went into well, if money islord of your life, pretend it is.31100:23:34.410 --> 00:23:38.329What would you do anything to getmoney? Yes, anything, I'd,31200:23:38.529 --> 00:23:41.119you know, lie, steal,whatever it took to get money.31300:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.160How about if your boyfriend, andI purposely say this one, how about31400:23:45.160 --> 00:23:51.279if your boyfriend is is Lord ofYour Life? Would you go in that31500:23:51.319 --> 00:23:56.549abortion center and kill your baby?And that did that? This is when,31600:23:56.710 --> 00:23:59.230for the first time, I'd beentalking, probably an hour at this31700:23:59.349 --> 00:24:06.549point with her, and for thefirst time the the just bizarre rebellion against31800:24:06.910 --> 00:24:10.859God, despite knowing that everything Iwas saying was true and was biblical.31900:24:10.980 --> 00:24:15.539At that point something kind of shiftedin the look on her face and she32000:24:15.619 --> 00:24:18.660said, but my boyfriend wants meto keep the baby, and I said32100:24:18.700 --> 00:24:25.410I know, but if he waslord of your life and he said kill32200:24:25.569 --> 00:24:29.089that baby, would you do it? And she said yes, and I32300:24:29.130 --> 00:24:33.809said then who's Lord of Your LifeRight now, because it was her.32400:24:33.650 --> 00:24:37.529She was Lord of her life,not Jesus. She was. She was32500:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.720going to go in and kill thatbaby because she wanted to kill the baby.32600:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.200Shouldn't know why, but she did. She didn't want to have the32700:24:45.279 --> 00:24:49.799baby. So then I said,now, if Jesus is Lord of Your32800:24:49.839 --> 00:24:55.910Life, what's the sixth commandment?And Henry got that in the Bible for32900:24:56.069 --> 00:24:59.349her, which is thou shall notmurder. I said, if Jesus is33000:24:59.549 --> 00:25:03.150Lord of Your Life, what whatwill you do? And she said,33100:25:03.190 --> 00:25:07.740I won't kill my baby. Ithink she did use the word kill my33200:25:07.819 --> 00:25:10.380baby. Then, Daniel, wetalked about how mom's never say that,33300:25:10.539 --> 00:25:14.099but I think at that point shedid. She said I want then,33400:25:14.099 --> 00:25:17.660I won't kill my baby, andI thought victory. I thought we've got33500:25:18.140 --> 00:25:23.769we've got the victory for God andfor this baby at that moment, because33600:25:23.930 --> 00:25:27.730she got it, she understood.Henry even turned to me. She doesn't33700:25:27.930 --> 00:25:33.730speak English, so he was okaysaying this and he said something just changed.33800:25:33.049 --> 00:25:37.079She understands. That's what he saidand that's what I felt, and33900:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.599that was where there's this battle betweenlife or death, blessing her cursy,34000:25:41.759 --> 00:25:47.839spiritual battle between good and evil.It was so palpable with this woman and34100:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.910all I had seen up to thispoint was evil winning. I was hearing34200:25:52.069 --> 00:26:00.230Satan's voice speaking to her through her. At that moment the battle shifted and34300:26:00.430 --> 00:26:06.420I really felt like she understands andand she gets it, and she was34400:26:06.579 --> 00:26:11.299quiet for the first time. Shewasn't trying to counter everything, she was34500:26:11.420 --> 00:26:19.170just listening and went on and thenI don't I don't remember her exactly what34600:26:19.329 --> 00:26:25.609else we were saying along the samevein going. I asked her if she34700:26:25.730 --> 00:26:29.890reads the Bible. She does not. She has a Bible but she doesn't34800:26:29.970 --> 00:26:33.559read it, and I said youwill never know Jesus says your Lord if34900:26:33.599 --> 00:26:38.440you don't know what he says,and you won't know what he says if35000:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.640you don't read your Bible. Sothe first thing you need to read it.35100:26:42.839 --> 00:26:48.349Don't just have it, you needto read your Bible. and Um,35200:26:48.750 --> 00:26:52.829and she said, but I I'mnot good, I can't be good,35300:26:52.150 --> 00:26:56.069I can't do this. And Isaid, you're right, on your35400:26:56.109 --> 00:27:00.829own power you cannot. But ifJesus is Lord of Your Life and if35500:27:00.869 --> 00:27:03.660you submit your life to him,do you know what the Bible says?35600:27:03.059 --> 00:27:06.819This is a Holy Spirit and entersus. And do you know what the35700:27:07.420 --> 00:27:11.900the the role of the Holy Spiritinside of us is? It's to guide35800:27:11.940 --> 00:27:17.529us into righteousness. It's our comforterand our guide. And you can do35900:27:17.890 --> 00:27:22.049all things the Bible says through Christto strengthens us. But Not if you36000:27:22.089 --> 00:27:26.329keep rebelling against him and not ifhe's not your Lord. Then you that36100:27:26.490 --> 00:27:32.400Holy Spirit is not guiding you,it is not helping you to be righteous.36200:27:32.720 --> 00:27:37.519But you can be with God.We can do all things through God.36300:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.000Again, that was a point atwhich I'm seeing her now. She's36400:27:41.519 --> 00:27:48.589she's looking really like this is whatshe wants. And then I said,36500:27:48.630 --> 00:27:52.430do you know the story about Danielin the lions den? And she didn't.36600:27:52.670 --> 00:27:59.460That shocked me. Someone who claimswho doesn't know the story of Daniel36700:27:59.619 --> 00:28:02.619in the life David and Goliath.If you don't know David and Goliath,36800:28:02.740 --> 00:28:04.539how in the world could you evenbe a Christian? I don't know or36900:28:04.619 --> 00:28:07.539even ever have been to church.If you don't know Daniel, the Lions37000:28:07.539 --> 00:28:11.099Dan. By that same token,it's like, I don't know. So37100:28:11.259 --> 00:28:14.529a pretty basic so I told herthis story. I told her the basis37200:28:14.690 --> 00:28:19.049of the story, the basic story, and said Daniel was so in tune,37300:28:19.970 --> 00:28:30.079loved God so much, had haddecided that he would not abandon his37400:28:30.359 --> 00:28:34.680God no matter what, and andthat meant turning and praying to God and37500:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.920he would not bow down to afalse idol. And he was thrown into37600:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.069the Lions Den. I said,you know what happened to him, and37700:28:42.390 --> 00:28:45.910she shook her she didn't know.I said, well, these are hungry37800:28:45.990 --> 00:28:51.269lions. What do you think happenedto him? And she said they he37900:28:51.470 --> 00:28:56.900was eaten, he was killed.I said no, that is what should38000:28:56.900 --> 00:29:03.819have happened, but God shut themouth of the Lions and Daniel was rescued38100:29:03.900 --> 00:29:07.380the next day by the king,who didn't know God. But pull them38200:29:07.420 --> 00:29:11.369out of the lions den unscathed.There's not a wound on him and I38300:29:11.569 --> 00:29:15.650told her you were in a lionsden right now and you can either be38400:29:15.809 --> 00:29:21.450eaten by the Lions and that Satan, or you can let God close their38500:29:21.569 --> 00:29:26.359mouth, and that's by choosing Godand choosing to follow him no matter what.38600:29:27.240 --> 00:29:33.000And so at this point we reallybelieve that that there's been this shift38700:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.789and that she is going to chooselife. And it goes on for a38800:29:37.869 --> 00:29:44.670while and again she said, butI don't want this baby, I don't38900:29:44.670 --> 00:29:52.549want to have this baby. Sothe the last thing that I really wrestled39000:29:52.549 --> 00:29:56.859to even tell her about was myown background as opposed to board of MOM39100:29:56.980 --> 00:30:03.140and and the lifelong regret and sorrowand that there are consequences and they they39200:30:03.220 --> 00:30:08.890can be lifelong and they are lifelongwith with a choice like like murder,39300:30:10.329 --> 00:30:15.009like a boarding your own child.And the reason I'm I'm at there,39400:30:15.289 --> 00:30:18.809one of the main reasons, well, it's not anymore, it was.39500:30:18.970 --> 00:30:23.079What brought me out there was Iknow what these women are doing, and39600:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.559you and and I would not wishit on my worst enemy. And then39700:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.880I pulled out I've been painting theserocks with pictures of babies on them in39800:30:33.960 --> 00:30:41.430a verse which is the Jeremiah Onefive before I formed you in the womb,39900:30:41.470 --> 00:30:45.190I knew you. So I pulledone of my rocks out and I40000:30:45.230 --> 00:30:47.789said, I'm going to give thisto you and I want you, and40100:30:48.069 --> 00:30:55.380Henry told her what this verse said, and and then I and I'm going40200:30:55.420 --> 00:30:57.980to pray that every time you lookat this rock, you will remember it40300:30:59.140 --> 00:31:02.779is God who formed this baby inthe womb, just as he formed you,40400:31:02.940 --> 00:31:06.170and he has a plan and apurpose for both of you. And40500:31:07.490 --> 00:31:12.210she had not been willing to giveany information to anyone. Apparently, up40600:31:12.289 --> 00:31:17.210to this point, the the nurseand the count or did not have even40700:31:17.250 --> 00:31:21.519her I think they had her firstname, that's all. So I said,40800:31:21.799 --> 00:31:26.160would you give me? I atthat point actually did say I don't40900:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.720know what else to tell you.I I don't know what else to say41000:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.950to you. It had been goingon two hours now, and I said,41100:31:33.509 --> 00:31:41.069would you be willing to let considerour mentorship program I described it.41200:31:41.230 --> 00:31:47.140I told her I can have ourSpanish counselor talk with you about this,41300:31:47.900 --> 00:31:49.339because she also, I think,had to get going at that point,41400:31:49.380 --> 00:31:53.380and so did the driver of theRV and so did our nurse and so41500:31:53.579 --> 00:31:59.579did our counselor so I said,would you be willing to have a Spanish41600:32:00.099 --> 00:32:05.089counselor call you either this afternoon ortomorrow and talk with you about the mental41700:32:05.170 --> 00:32:08.769program and she said Yes, soshe gave me her name and phone number41800:32:09.410 --> 00:32:15.599and and then we hugged her,we prayed with her and, as you41900:32:15.720 --> 00:32:21.880have taught us so well, Daniel, we prayed at her, reiterated all42000:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.799the reasons for why she needs tofollow God and not listen to the Voice42100:32:24.839 --> 00:32:30.589of Satan and and love her babyand we would help her and of course42200:32:30.670 --> 00:32:34.789God would help her. And weall hugged her and she got off.42300:32:34.869 --> 00:32:38.430I did call our Spanish speaking counselorand asked her to contact her later that42400:32:38.509 --> 00:32:45.019day, which she did, andand a very brief conversation and she said42500:32:45.019 --> 00:32:51.500the woman was saying again, I'mshe was lying about some stuff. She42600:32:51.579 --> 00:32:53.900said she had a nicktopic pregnancy.Yeah, right at five and a half42700:32:53.980 --> 00:32:59.369months and she said, you know, it's obviously not an and and that42800:32:59.569 --> 00:33:05.210she she did not want this baby. So so I don't know what's going42900:33:05.250 --> 00:33:10.569to happen. I'm it's this isthe day after all of this has occurred.43000:33:10.609 --> 00:33:16.640I have texted her you seeing instanttranslator in Spanish with versus. I43100:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.319know she's received them. She hasn'tresponded. That's the story and that's what43200:33:22.480 --> 00:33:29.589I did that. That's so.Tell US everything we did wrong? Yeah,43300:33:29.589 --> 00:33:30.990I mean, I don't know.I wasn't there and I'm certainly not43400:33:31.069 --> 00:33:35.109in a position to tell you whatyou did wrong on the mobiltra sound unit,43500:33:35.150 --> 00:33:39.430because that's your that's your territory there. I would ask the in the43600:33:39.509 --> 00:33:44.259course of the conversation, and Iknow this is this is like probably everybody43700:33:44.259 --> 00:33:47.460who's listening right now is probably thinking. Did you mention adoption? Oh,43800:33:47.660 --> 00:33:51.539we did. That's almost like fromthe beginning. I'm sorry that I didn't43900:33:51.539 --> 00:33:55.930mention that. I texted our counseloron the RV, Mandy, immediately and44000:33:57.089 --> 00:34:00.210said she doesn't want the baby,okay, and she knows it's wrong.44100:34:00.369 --> 00:34:02.490She by the way, over andover she said it's wrong. I did44200:34:02.569 --> 00:34:07.449talk about the pain that that babywould experience. We know that is without44300:34:07.489 --> 00:34:13.199a doubt. After twenty weeks thatbaby is experiencing probably excruciating pain and I44400:34:13.360 --> 00:34:17.599described in detail. She knew allthat. But yes, Mandy, mansioned44500:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.639adoption, shared with our shared theresource of our person that would walk with44600:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.590her through adoption. Talked about openadoption, I spoke about adoption it.44700:34:27.789 --> 00:34:31.230So yes, she that and sheshe said absolutely not, she would rather44800:34:31.269 --> 00:34:35.949kill the baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, just44900:34:36.429 --> 00:34:40.820we did a podcast months and monthsago about adoption and mentioning adoption and because45000:34:40.820 --> 00:34:44.860I know that's like for brand newpeople especially, it's like one of the45100:34:44.900 --> 00:34:47.300first things that they think about orthat they even mentioned to a mom,45200:34:49.019 --> 00:34:52.289why don't you play this baby foradoption? And reality is that a lot45300:34:52.329 --> 00:34:57.969of times that's that's a conversation stopperright there. That's a that's a no45400:34:58.170 --> 00:35:00.809goo talking to these women, becauseyou know, we've talked about and we45500:35:00.889 --> 00:35:05.610talked about this in that adoption podcast, as you're asking a woman to go45600:35:05.849 --> 00:35:09.400from doing, thinking about doing oneof the most selfish things she could do,45700:35:09.559 --> 00:35:13.840which is take her babies life throughabortion, to doing one of the45800:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.599most selfless things that she could do, which is placing her baby with a45900:35:16.719 --> 00:35:22.829family. And and and that's athat's a selfless thing from other to carry46000:35:22.829 --> 00:35:25.389a baby for nine months and placethat baby with another family. So you're46100:35:25.429 --> 00:35:29.190asking her to go from zero toa thousand and like five seconds, and46200:35:29.269 --> 00:35:31.869that's a hard cell. And thereality is that these women that we encounter46300:35:31.909 --> 00:35:36.900at the abortion center, and again, I'm not painting them in a pictureless46400:35:36.940 --> 00:35:40.500and we're all, we're honest,selfish, right, and especially before we46500:35:40.539 --> 00:35:45.179knew the Lord, living selfish lifestyles. These women that come to the abortion46600:35:45.300 --> 00:35:52.690centers are wrapped up in selfishness andthey want to protect their their finances or46700:35:52.849 --> 00:35:57.769their reputation or the status quo orwhatever, and it bowls down to selfishness.46800:35:58.449 --> 00:36:00.050And again, trying to get themto do a selfless thing like adoption46900:36:00.449 --> 00:36:06.199is is a hard sell. Andthat's evidenced in the fact that like what47000:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.400you're talking about. When you talkabout adoption, a lot of times it's47100:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.639well, I would rather have theabortion than give this baby to another family.47200:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.039Like to us, that doesn't makesense, right, that doesn't make47300:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.710sense. You know abortions wrong.You know that there are families out there47400:36:19.789 --> 00:36:22.309that would adopt your child, andwe know that right. We have we47500:36:22.429 --> 00:36:27.510have families that are ready, they'reready to go, they would adopt on47600:36:27.590 --> 00:36:30.710the spot, they would sign whateverpaperwork needed to be signed. And yet47700:36:31.349 --> 00:36:36.059she's just unwilling and many of thesewomen are just unwilling to choose adoption because47800:36:36.139 --> 00:36:38.099of really I could, I couldnever do that, of how that would47900:36:38.099 --> 00:36:45.179affect me. It's selfishness, right. But it's not that we don't talk48000:36:45.179 --> 00:36:51.250about adoption. We certainly do.It certainly like an obvious alternative to abortion48100:36:51.809 --> 00:36:55.289and I know in that conversation youguys talked about it along, you know,48200:36:55.489 --> 00:37:00.800as as appropriate and brought it up. But certainly in these situations the48300:37:00.920 --> 00:37:06.079tendency might be to heavily focus onadoption. In reality, that will just48400:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.519turn that mom yes, actual shutdown exactly, and that's why we why48500:37:08.559 --> 00:37:13.159we didn't. There was another thingthat I thought was really pretty critical that48600:37:13.239 --> 00:37:17.230I just remembered when she was saying, but I still don't want that,48700:37:17.670 --> 00:37:22.949this baby, and I said,and what will you tell your boyfriend,48800:37:22.989 --> 00:37:27.989who wants this baby and and theother children? And she said I'll tell48900:37:27.989 --> 00:37:30.699them I had a miscarriage. AndI said this is what happens with sin.49000:37:31.260 --> 00:37:36.380First you're going to commit the sinof murder and then it leads to49100:37:36.460 --> 00:37:40.099the next sin, which is lyingabout that murder, the cover up of49200:37:40.260 --> 00:37:44.849that murder. And do you see, this is the path of becoming a49300:37:45.050 --> 00:37:50.449slave to sin that Satan leads uson when when we rebel against God,49400:37:50.929 --> 00:37:55.090and then the opposite is true aswell. Take that first right step and49500:37:55.610 --> 00:38:01.199see how God will reward and blessand and I'm saying, I'm not saying49600:38:01.239 --> 00:38:06.039your struggles will cease, but inyour conscience and in your heart and in49700:38:06.119 --> 00:38:12.679your ability to to take the nextright step after that. Yeah, yeah,49800:38:13.510 --> 00:38:16.230yeah, that's good. I wouldthink. I don't know how much,49900:38:17.510 --> 00:38:22.389how much more in this conversation andreally adding to what you've said that50000:38:22.469 --> 00:38:24.829I'm going to be able to addas far as value to it to me,50100:38:24.989 --> 00:38:28.980I know you guys did a greatjob. Worn into her. Reality50200:38:29.139 --> 00:38:31.739is, though, it's up tothe Lord, yeah, to change your50300:38:31.820 --> 00:38:37.260heart. We've so, we plantseeds, we water seeds, but as50400:38:37.300 --> 00:38:39.019up to the Lord to change aheart. And you guys who are listening,50500:38:39.099 --> 00:38:44.409you'll receive this, this podcast,a couple of weeks, probably after50600:38:44.570 --> 00:38:47.329we have recorded it, because werecord ahead of times a lot of times.50700:38:47.530 --> 00:38:52.730So, but still, I wouldhope and pray that this mom is50800:38:52.849 --> 00:38:59.599still not aborted right, that she'sstill carrying that baby. And so,50900:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.920guys, pray, pray for thatyoung lady. Pray She's still going to51000:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.760be in that spiritual battle. Unfortunately, in this country, she's twenty five51100:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.429weeks along and she couldn't have anabortion at the abortion centers in Charlotte,51200:39:10.429 --> 00:39:15.070but there are places that will aborther baby for her all the way up51300:39:15.110 --> 00:39:19.230to all the way up through pregnancy. I mean the episode that we did51400:39:20.349 --> 00:39:22.110interview in the young lady. Hewent to You New York to have a51500:39:22.150 --> 00:39:24.940late term abortion. Like this,this young lady could go there and have51600:39:24.980 --> 00:39:30.179a late term abortion and there arecertainly people in the pro abortion world that51700:39:30.219 --> 00:39:35.059would help her and would pay forher abortion. Their organizations, these terrible,51800:39:35.099 --> 00:39:38.570wicked organizations that actually raise money tohelp women like her kill their children51900:39:38.610 --> 00:39:44.489and late term abortions, which arekind of expensive and definitely dangerous, certainly52000:39:44.530 --> 00:39:46.650for the baby but also for themother. And so, just as you52100:39:46.690 --> 00:39:50.250guys remember, lift this young ladyup in prayer. There's this fight,52200:39:50.369 --> 00:39:52.639there's this battle in her heart,in her mind, and the reality is52300:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.559she needs to know Jesus. Sheneeds an encounter with the Lord. She52400:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.239had an encounter with Vicky and withMandy and the other folks on board the52500:40:00.280 --> 00:40:04.599Mobultrasun Unit. She had an encounterwith the truth of God's Word and there52600:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.269was some evidence of that spiritual warfareplaying out and evidence of the Lord taking52700:40:08.349 --> 00:40:13.190ground in her heart and in herheart will still hardened in some ways,52800:40:13.230 --> 00:40:17.949although I trust as she stepped offthat mobile unit she was more she was52900:40:19.070 --> 00:40:22.059more along the lines of choosing lifethan she was before she came on.53000:40:22.900 --> 00:40:27.059That was you still other devil speakslives. That was our sense when she53100:40:27.219 --> 00:40:30.380first got off, and it wasa little discouraging to hear what our next53200:40:30.500 --> 00:40:34.900counselor heard, but I think shemight have been just worn out. I53300:40:34.980 --> 00:40:38.449would be. Yeah, after,after the battle, but yeah, yeah,53400:40:38.449 --> 00:40:44.250yeah, I like what you saidwhen you said that it looked like53500:40:44.369 --> 00:40:49.210God had gained ground in her heart. Really talking about it as a battle,53600:40:49.250 --> 00:40:55.480it is truly arfair. It istruly a battle and and sometimes you53700:40:55.639 --> 00:41:00.400have to fight longer than you thinkyou have the strength to fight, or53800:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.309even then you think is wise.You just you fight till you have nothing53900:41:05.349 --> 00:41:07.710left, and that's I mean Mandydid until she said, Vicki, I54000:41:08.070 --> 00:41:10.750I have nothing left to say,and I came to that point as well.54100:41:10.789 --> 00:41:15.469I I don't know what else tosay. I've given you everything.54200:41:15.550 --> 00:41:17.739I everything I've got, everything theHoly Spirit has given me. It's up54300:41:17.739 --> 00:41:22.420to you and and God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I don't54400:41:22.460 --> 00:41:24.340think just to kind of wrap thisepisode of I don't think that's a bad54500:41:24.500 --> 00:41:28.260thing. Yeah, I think youlabor as long as you can, as54600:41:28.340 --> 00:41:30.539long as the Lord gives you thingsto say and as long as the conversation54700:41:30.780 --> 00:41:35.650continues. But there does come apoint where you've got to wrap up the54800:41:35.690 --> 00:41:39.289conversation and you've got to leave itbetween them and the Lord because because of54900:41:39.369 --> 00:41:44.849that spiritual warfare that's going on,because of all that demonic stuff going on55000:41:45.010 --> 00:41:47.840in their hearts, in their minds, you can go on endlessly with these55100:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.800women. Again, they're grasping forsomething. She's grasping for a justification to55200:41:52.880 --> 00:41:59.039abort and she's grasping for justification tonot abort, and that fights going on.55300:41:59.880 --> 00:42:01.630We can do our part and fightthe battle as much as we're able,55400:42:02.269 --> 00:42:05.670but at the end of the dayit's the Lord who gives the victory.55500:42:05.909 --> 00:42:07.030So we've got to put it inher hands and like you did,55600:42:07.750 --> 00:42:12.710like you always need to wrap upin prayer. Is Okay. Well,55700:42:12.829 --> 00:42:15.380the I think I've said everything thatI can we've given you every option that55800:42:15.460 --> 00:42:21.539we have available. We're going toleave it in the Lord's hands. Can55900:42:21.579 --> 00:42:23.420I pray for you and then,of course, that prayer is one of56000:42:23.780 --> 00:42:28.579Lord. I pray that you openher eyes, and so I think maybe56100:42:28.579 --> 00:42:30.449it will be good then, aswe wrap with this podcast, if you56200:42:30.489 --> 00:42:34.610don't mind, Vicki, for meto pray for that young lady. Be56300:42:34.690 --> 00:42:37.329Great. I just want to prayfor her. That that happened just yesterday,56400:42:37.329 --> 00:42:39.489as we're recording this podcast on aThursday, so that happened on a56500:42:39.530 --> 00:42:43.570Wednesday, and so we're going tobe praying for her. And what you56600:42:43.610 --> 00:42:45.800guys again here listening to this coupleof weeks after just to agree with me56700:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.559in prayer and lift that young ladyup in prayer. But let's pray for56800:42:49.679 --> 00:42:54.480her right now. Vicky's father,we pray for this young lady. God,56900:42:54.559 --> 00:42:59.110you know her name, you knowher situation, you know the struggles,57000:42:59.269 --> 00:43:01.750you know the fight that's in herheart and in her mind. God,57100:43:01.829 --> 00:43:05.710you know that spiritual warfare that's goingon. You know all the things57200:43:05.750 --> 00:43:09.070that are happening behind the scenes.But God, we pray for your grace57300:43:09.190 --> 00:43:12.980and your mercy see to enter intothat young lady's heart. Now. Just57400:43:13.099 --> 00:43:15.460pray, God, for the wordsthat were spoken yesterday by Vicky and Mandy57500:43:15.539 --> 00:43:20.340and others, that those words wouldresound in her heart, that they would57600:43:20.380 --> 00:43:22.179echo in her heart and in hermind, the truth of your word,57700:43:22.260 --> 00:43:25.300the truth of who you are,the truth of her accountability to you,57800:43:27.019 --> 00:43:30.690God, you're mercy and your lovetoward her, but also your justice that57900:43:30.769 --> 00:43:32.849you'll bring if she chooses take thelife of her child. And so,58000:43:32.969 --> 00:43:37.090God, I pray in the nameof Jesus, this young lady would have58100:43:37.130 --> 00:43:40.369an encounter with you. Maybe she'salone, even praying right now, God,58200:43:40.440 --> 00:43:43.880that she would sense your presence,in your nearness, and feel the58300:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.079conviction of her sin and her needto run to you, and God,58400:43:46.159 --> 00:43:50.159she would run and put her trustin you. Lord Jesus, we pray58500:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.760for this little baby, that youwould protect her child. She may try58600:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.550to do something silly and maybe goto New York and have an abortion or58700:43:57.710 --> 00:44:01.070some other state that allows abortions upto that at that age, or even58800:44:01.110 --> 00:44:05.550do something at home, just gettingon the Internet, something that would harm58900:44:05.590 --> 00:44:07.909her and harm her baby. So, God, we pray that you would59000:44:07.909 --> 00:44:12.260protect that baby against that and protecther against that and you would just silence59100:44:12.380 --> 00:44:15.739the voices of the enemy. Inthe name of Jesus, silence the lies,59200:44:16.099 --> 00:44:20.380demonic lies, that come to hermind, into her heart, and59300:44:20.460 --> 00:44:23.530I pray that this young lady wouldfind comfort in you, in Jesus name.59400:44:23.570 --> 00:44:30.329Amen. Amen. Thank you,Daniel. Yeah, we appreciate you59500:44:30.449 --> 00:44:35.210guys joining in on this podcast.We appreciate you guys just agreeing with us59600:44:35.289 --> 00:44:37.639in prayer and, as I said, continue to lift that young lady up59700:44:37.679 --> 00:44:43.079in prayer. Ultimately, she needsto know the Lord Guy's reach out to59800:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.119us. If you have subjects you'dlike for us to cover, if you59900:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.760have some encouragement for us. Heckwe can use some encouragement. This ministry60000:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.909is Pretty Intense, as we've describedin this episode and as you guys know60100:44:53.030 --> 00:44:55.750who are listening, this in intenseministry. So we need some encouragement.60200:44:55.789 --> 00:44:59.750We need you guys to be prayingfor us. For sure. Just know60300:44:59.869 --> 00:45:04.230that we're praying for you and encouragedby what God's doing through you guys.60400:45:04.269 --> 00:45:07.460If you have subjects you'd like forus to cover in future podcast, things60500:45:07.500 --> 00:45:10.300that come up that have come upin ministry out there, we'd love to60600:45:10.340 --> 00:45:14.460cover those subjects. So reach outto us and can reach out to us60700:45:14.699 --> 00:45:16.860with questions, with encouragements. Youcan reach me at Daniel Love Life Dot60800:45:16.900 --> 00:45:21.300Org. You can reach her Vicky, at Love Life Dot Org. But60900:45:21.380 --> 00:45:29.730until next time, God bless Ales. Y'All. Give our love for love.61000:45:32.449 --> 00:45:40.880Give me our love for gratitude.I know it will cost me my61100:45:42.239 --> 00:45:49.639life. Nothing's too precious, andsome that you